@@mintusaren895 chemistry is a science based on evidence & history can be distorted according to the writers agenda.We are not the generation to accept whoever says whatever.To be scientific is to question everything.Hence....
According to her, mahmoud gazni came with gifts to indian people and just took only those 'gifts' which were given by indian people, including the wealth of Somnath Temple.!!!!!!!!!!!
No u are saying that not her ..... she is saying that Ghazni was a conqueror and essentially a violent military leader....but he may not have plundered the temple of somnath ..... she categorically called Mahmud a petty man ...... unlike u she is a professional historian she isn't giving opinions
She is an intellectual maafiya who writes history purely based on her speculation...what an irony !she has never been An archeologist...mr Mohammad former asi director reprimanded her many time in the Ayodhya matter..she and many like her jnu maafiyas already proved that there was no temple but in excavation mr Mohammad found many traces and evidences which were denied knowingly by these false communal writers.as allahabad high court directed ).I doubt now why our text books are full of lies and shit...icsr and many organisations were under control of communist maafiyas and they lied and lied and vitiated our ancient past....what a terrorists they are...!! They should serve in jail but they are able to sell lies continuously because of their privileged profession ..very dangerous thing in india
Hello Genius, history is not absolute and even you don't know whether the mandir was demolished or just was deconstructed because anywhere in Ayodhya you will find temples buried. Try not to be an asshole and denounce others when you yourself don't have even an iota of knowledge 😂
One thing that is noteworthy here that she relied on colonial theory to prove Aryans were foreign but yet again and again said that things like oral tradition and mahmud ghazni theories were the works of colonial bosses. I mean she is using colonial works, as she quote, as per her own advantage.
She needs to give back the money she took from taxpayer's hard earned money. Her very eyes reveal her evil nature and nefarious designs she's plotting against a civilization.
It’s a good laugh to read some of the comments from drawing room historians and intellectuals, who haven’t ever bothered to read anything. These stupid people can’t even differentiate between faith and history...
If an alternate idea of Indian History presented to her, she term it as Hinduttwa conspiracy. What about the Dravidian History which has been propagated by a Christian Missionary known as Bishop Robert Caldwell. An Evangelist missionary theory is being established as fact. Why such intellectual discrimination?? I lost my trust form the Government of India and the History and Archaeological department..
Ms Thapar is a doctrinaire of the West propounded AIT. Eloquent and erudite sounding Western interpretations of Indian History since colonial times, do not render accurate a specious argument. After admitting that archaeologists differ in the way they excavate sites and interpret artifacts, one must make allowance for studies and historical analyses that are contrary to popular accepted opinions of influential historians. It is unfair to brush all new theories as Hindutva propaganda.
What facts is this woman basing her opinions on Indian History and Ram Mandir. If archeological artifacts which can be dated are better than her "opinions" or whether she has better science to fall back upon??
She was proved wrong on the statement that vedic period was 1500 BC not 3000 BC, If she is aware Budha was in 2500 BC and he was against vedas that means vedas were before Budha. Aryan theory has been disproved now time and again. She is proved wrong
R Balasubramanian sir.. Check the historical facts properly.. " The Lord Buddha was born in 623 BC in the sacred area of Lumbini located in the Terai plains of southern Nepal, testified by the inscription on the pillar erected by the Mauryan Emperor Asoka in 249 BC." Lumbini, the Birthplace of the Lord Buddha - UNESCO World ...
Iravatham Mahadevan : The Indus Script: Texts, Concordance and Tables (1977). History and political ideology need some separation; confirmation bias for and against are erroneous disservice to the past, and little evidence we have of it. Past does not have to appease your theories or be palliative to our current problems. Past is dead and gone and historians should strive to hold themselves to a scientific merit, than an interpretive merit alone.
Contd.. If you are really interested in academic reasoning and real research for Indian history, go and read books by Dr Rajiv Malhotra. He has written three very important books, and many academic institutions have started making them as official part of syllabus. The books are 'Invading The Sacred', 'Being Different' and 'Braking India'. And if you are not sincere enough to go through the HARD EVIDENCES, please don't publish your views with so much certainty.
(Whatever Romila Thapar has said, has 100% truth.) You will get Noble slave of the year award from the Churchist for believing in all that jaZZ! What makes you think that I will suddenly start believing because you ENDORSE it? ;) ( I think you abuse her.) I do not think that I abuse anyone. Having a different opinion does not mean abusing. She is giving only an alternative history which her masters gave her. History can never be absolute. She or anyone else is not above veda anyways. harih Om!
Dahir and Mohd bin kasim built new community in Sindh. Gajni and prithviraj were busy in building a new community from Somnath to New Delhi. How many of you think it is logical? I respect prof Thapar for her creativity. A true history should be the best known truth about any event.
Sir i dont agree with your view? She is a fake historian (This R tapur)) she supported jihadism bigotry and wrote false history! (One ex is that she says that Muslims invaded india for wealth and destroyed temples for wealth as also for brahminic centry??? How false and fake historian she is? Why did Muslims invaded west Africa and other parts of world?? Wealth and brahmin centres were there in Africa and other places across the world!???)according to me she is the best face of worst historians.!? If a historian does not know facts or distorts the facts can that person be historian!???? That is all. Now you are seeing terrorism and bigotry across the world! By whom? U know it sir!
dude where is hardtalk here..u keep saying you are greatest historian of india..you let her speak openly against bjp and hindutva..never asked any thing that will show her real face..good job bbc..but take my word we will surely change all evil thing done by her :)
All her theories are her constructs and has no research. She never goes for debates and she just lectures. The political influence this lady has is so much that she made sure Indira (India is Indira those times) Gandhi implemented all her ideologies which weaker India economically and culturally.
While there are many areas where I differ with Romila Thapar's interpretations of historical events, there is ONE CLEAR POINT about Indian History in general (except for the Indus Valley Civilization that is still being literally unearthed) that seems valid. And, that point is: Our current narratives of Indian History are entirely based on British and Upper Caste Hindu views of India. One may ask, "How so?" When the British established themselves as our colonial masters, the Hindu upper caste sucked up to them for one simple reason. Enemy (the British) of their enemy (the Muslim rulers) was their (upper caste Hindu's) friend. For the British this was a big boon to establish their lordship over our vast land and population. (There are details of why Muslims shunned away from British rulers because for them it was a major loss when the British arrived and displaced the Muslim rulers.) The British gathered historical anecdotes from this Hindu upper caste and created a colonial narrative that painted India as a land of snake charmers and spiritualism. The upper caste Hindu found solace in this interpretation because they could, at least, claim that India was superior in one area (religion / spiritualism). These two forces played into each other's hands and they served each other very well. As a result of this collusion of interest between British colonial masters and the Hindu upper caste real India was forgotten and waylaid. What was lost in the process was the progress that Indian mathematics, science and technology had made prior to British colonialism. Huge monuments - of which there were galore (Red Fort, Qutab Minar, Taj Mahal, Ajanta caves, Surya Mandir at Konarak, etc) - Indian steel sold in Europe as Damask steel, were not products of spiritualism or snake charming. They were solidly rooted in Indian science and technology, which was at par with British science and technology on the eve of the famous 1757 battle of Plassey (Palashi in Bengali). After that watershed event British economy as well as British science and technology took off - to be sure, riding on the back of wealth moved by East India Company from India to Britain.
Why do you feel inferior about truth? She is a historian. Her research is based on more sound facts than any politician or fantasy fiction writer, like the kinds who prophesise that we have ten thousand years of heritage (Indus valley civilization is at max 3000 BCE)
she has mentioned in one of her interviews that her sources are mainly persian texts why would you stidy persian texts to understand a civilization or community who never spoke in persian but sanskrit also many other historian and archaeologist claim her to be false
Who, ever said Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are foreigners (7:20). It is only Christianity and Islam is foreign to the Indians. At 14:38 she says 'historians don't cause controversies' and later she says 'historians only give an alternative explanation.' An alternative explanation is a cause for controversy, isn't it? Finally at 18:45 about the Ram Temple the question if there was a temple before the Babri mosque? The archaeology department dug out a structure beneath the mosque, isn't it the job of the historians to conclude what this structure was? Was it a huge temple or something else. The structure was an ancient structure but it was destroyed recently and on top of it was built a mosque? If historians like this Romila can't solve a recent such a recent event, how will she throw light on the ancient Aryan theory?
Mr Vaibhav see English people have their own agenda that they want to tell that not only English people were invaders but Indians also were invaders. That is why they implement the theory of Aryans invasion. Even Max muller change his theory of Aryan invasion theory at his last time. ( the word meaning Arya is not a tribe. Arya puthra arya puthri arya vaidhya means only great , glorious or my own. More over The old English were not ready to go history before B C 4012 October 4th
she is intensionally, saying, build, history, does not know belief, does not stand her study, fool, read well, could not understand, what is her religion, father mother , belief system, husband and children,
history written at the time of a ruler will be written with the full account of the good, depicted through out his life time. this will be recorded and will be well preserved as a needed, by his courtiers or else historians life will be short.this will be our future, firm evidence available. when rani padmini of Rjastan was to be abducted by the mughal king to be taken to his harem, a small incident is mentioned about the johar committed by the females of the palace, by meer khusrow that too in a poetical style or else fearing the wrath of his ruler.. the story remains mainly in the local folklore of Rajastan only, naturally they have no place in history but only in the village ballads sung by them.looks like fiction to a historian, will remain in the confinement of a village only, with no impotence about the valour shown by the the population of the time. looks like historically dead people should come alive and give evidence to their life lived. historians will need mathematical proof to their work while most of it is, surface dug on assumptions and circumstantial imagination. what to be included will depend upon the need of the time, suiting their positions. then why not mention all possibilities.
Contd:She has also categorically denounced the colonial interpretation of Indian history which viewed hindus and muslims in constant conflict. Its an irony that people label her of being pro-west. I think the criticisms and sometimes cheap name calling largely comes from people adhering to the hindutva ideology. And if that is your agenda here I have nothing more to say.
Guys are making a big mistake. There was never a country called Inida. The Vedic religion was practiced mostly in what we now call Pakistan, Afganistan, central Asia, Iran and probably in latter times in North western India. The above is basically evident from linguistic and genetic patterns. Rest of what we now call India consists of various populations who adopted to this religion at varying degrees with passage of time. If anybody wants to dispute this, they have to say why the poets of Rig Vedam did not mention Kaveri or Krishna. They did not know "India" and that is the reason.
This is the same historian who in supreme court confirm in affidavit that she can't read n write either Persian or sanskrit n teaches Indian history which source material is sanskrit n persian.
This is Hard Talk??? What a charade!! Standards at BBC have fallen surely! Indias best known historian? He says this multiple times throughout this interview. Well Mr Thapar say it as much as you like its not going to make it true! These psuedo-scholars are a serious threat to the Vedic legacy. A lot work is being done in genetic anthropology along with archaeology which clearly traces origins to the Indian subcontinent both at the CULTURAL and GENETIC level.
Aryans are indigenous to India but they cannot claim India because when Manu cast lots to his 3 sons, Aryans got the top cold north region of the world. Read my magazine: Cast and the Bible available at independent.academia.edu\JohnEllen.
First I didn't say anything about her being qualified to validate scientific findings. Secondly as a historian she is perfectly capable of scrutinizing the archaeological evidences, many international historians like Micheal Woods and Francesca Stavrakopoulou have done that. Thirdly and I have to emphasize this, Romila has never supported the aryan invasion theory. I do not know where you re getting your facts from. She has out-rightly stated this in her book A History of India-Vol1.
KILL THIS HINDUTVA PEOPLES! YOU DO NOT DISTORT MY LOVELY RELIGION AND MY HOME LAND HISTORY AND VEDAS! OK ROMILA THAPAR TALKS PERFECT SHE HAS ALL THE DOCUMENTS WITH ALL WATER TIGHT REFERENCES. SUCH LOVELY MASTER PIECE SHE GIVES SUCH A LOVELY DIRECTION!
She has not written anything on Ram temple judgement now but she was giving her opinion @19min is proof that Thapar accepted her mistakes but left academia is still not doing the same
That is why I used the word if. Glad to know that your criticisms do not stem from a nationalistic point of view. Victor Sarianidi's findings in Turkmenistan also point towards the migration theory although I am aware of the criticisms BB lal has made on Sarianidi's claims. One sees the aryans as a linguistic group rather than a race because the Rig Vedic sanskrit(1500 BCE) language has a very close resemblance with the Indo-Eurpoean family tree.
If she were a historian, she would go to the museums where Aurangzeb's original Farmans are still kept. She will find his handwritten orders to demolish thousands of temples. But instead, she goes to the British library to copy paste Indian history written by Brits. She is not even fit to be my college librarian.
If they were so sure about the Aryans origin then why the hell after UPA-1 coming first thing they scrapped was archiological project on Saraswati river inhabitations.This was done in haste by Parliamantry commitee headed by CPI(M) MP Nilotpal Basu.We Arayns(sanatan dharam) believes in Truth will triumph one day, and that is going to happen.
ALL SHE IS BASING HER THEORY OF EXONERATING GAZNI IS THAT THE HINDUS DID NOT EXPRESS THEIR AGONY AND TRAUMA during a certain period of time!! While the were ruled by the killers... Wah! What about the Muslim writings? She says that various people said different things... OF COURSE each of the Muslim writers wrote from their experiences, not by a committee of leftist historians.
1 she talks about indian identity when she started thinking about history after colonial view point and admires at max mullers 1500 bc and about invasion?
Romila Thapar is a anti-hindu historian who denigrates ancient India ,but panders to the muslim rule in the middle ages. She is the worst kind of "historian",so-called. I have read the Rig Veda and nowhere in those 11,000 hymns authored by more than 300 poets ever mention any place other than the land of seven rivers ,which is northern , western India and Eastern Pakistan. Are you accusing those poets of some kind of amnesia about their past? Or are you implying that all of them are liars ? The likes of Romila Thapar are the worst distorters of history. She is a stooge of muslims and the western powers. Her scholarship is dubious.
While commenting on her works about the question of Ghazni invading India, she suggests that she has adhered to the best practices that a historian should do by interpretation of diverse sources. On the question of Ram Mandir, she suggests that interpretations of archaeological finds could be inconclusive and misleading. Is she trying to put across that she has accomplished her findings with utmost probity and professionalism that the archaeologists are not capable of?
it fell really good to see romila thapar standing against hindu funadamentalist who runs away from from deciphernig objective history bcoz it does not suit their interest... and moreover historians job is not to create controversy, their job is to write objective history which thapar has done nicely.
But Ms Thapar said archaeological artifacts are subject to interpretation, no? 19:05 So they are not completely objective but rather to a certain degree subjective.
***** so u believe that hindu fundamentalist do not exist and u r terming it as colonial lies... get a life dude... what about all riots that happened in pre-independence era and continue to affect the society in post-independence era too... what do you term VHP, Bajrang dal, shiv sena and rss.
What if all ur saying are reverse...infact they are ,kindly see the interview of former asi archaeology director mr Mohammad ...European propaganda is understood as objectivity in the same way European understand themselves superior to black and English learned people how foolish they are ,get more privilege than hindi knowing man.i wonder the knowledge of upsc candidates based on romilas speculation and bipan chandra's objectivity...what an irony!! Today it is a fashion that if u hear indian culture by a hindu u doubt it but if hear from a man who is either non hindu or propagandist u think it is objectivity....in the same manner some men who is criticising the Congress u consider it a Modi bhakt....what a hypocrisy indian people are subjected to...!!
i belonged to this land,,i respect whole idealogy which survived and respected,,western brought up and pampered by n g o to denigrade to india,,aryan biased is totally creation to rule india,,indian hstory is 100000 old,,,
While Romila Thapar talks a good game, she is definitely anti-Hindu and the Hindus return the feeling. After 1,000 years of slavery, Hindus finally became free but not really as the British plant Nehru and his progeny continued the anti-Hindu campaign. By the way, both the Thapars are related to Nehru.
They did DNA analysis of human skeletons found in Harappa and mohinjodaro archaeological sites- they found the bones to be around 5000 years old by carbon dating and DNA closely mimics that of modern day punjabis. She is drunk. No Aryans invaded India
crazy man. they found skeletons in mohinjodaro harappa, DNA shows they are just like punjabis, not tamils. they are five thousand years old. when mauryans had massive cities and wealth, tamil nadu was reeling in poverty. they didn't even wear the lungis. bharatham....is named after king bharat who ruled hastinapur near delhi
sksksk What about the Dravidian History which has been propagated by a Christian Missionary known as Bishop Robert Caldwell? There is no Dravidian Race and no Aryan Race...
sksksk Ya you should. You see in Tamil Nadu the whole politics is revolved around the Dravidian theory. Just because there is an AIT the existence of DT is not questioned. Dravidian Theory is constructed by a Christian Missionary to convert the backward cast Hindus there is still used today.
Thapar has condoned the aryan invasion theory and she has been taking this position in all her talks. You should provide a reference to show specifically when she has supported the invasion theory. I think the issue is between migration and whether the aryans were indigenous. Mainstream linguists agree tht the evidence points towards migration specifically due to the similarities of latin and greek with sanskrit, the former being a kind of cousins and not a derivative.
Your claim that RT has never supported AIT is completely false. In fact she has been made to change her stand by continual logical rebuttals from archeologists like BB Lal and SR Rao. Please check the history of how RT and like minded people opposed the findings of a REAL SCIENTIST like BB Lal. I can't prove everything to you over net. I would like you to read the proceedings of BB Lal's talk on challenging 19th century paradigm and RT's, and you will know why she gets her bad name.
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guru nanak,govind singh defined muslimhistory more practically than promila thapar,their are heap of indian,chinese,arbaian source which narated lot of barbarism of islam on india afganistan,,,writer from pakistan,,hassannissar,is better learned than thapar
people often misinterpret romila thapar without read her. she is the most twinkling star in writings of indian history. unfortunate is the bigotry and insistence on people's prejudices... people often want to locate its present in the past. this is the problem.
Part of the reason being, neither do we have a "present" to boast of nor a "future" that appears very golden. Also, these backward-facing forces who try to glorify the "past" on false grounds are the folks who have always lived off others' labors. They are not the hard working, toiling masses who are capable of building India from ground up. I must admit that I too think of many glorious things in our past - Indus Valley Civilization being one of them, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Vedic and Brahmanical traditions. My focus is entirely on our scientific, mathematical, and technological achievements (not the Modi-type claims which explains Ganesha as a creation of vedic plastic surgery (sic!)) and also recognize the fact that our scientists from the first millennia onward were HOUNDED by the brahmanical religious traditions, which started more than a 1000 year before Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stakes by the Church, while Copernicus and Galileo were made to recant their cosmological theories. In a similar manner, our scientists and mathematicians - such as, Brahma Gupta (6th ~ 7th century AD) and Varahamihira (6th century AD) - were forced to first pay obeissance to the Rahu-Ketu nonsense before they carefully and guardedly explained lunar and solar eclipses in the correct scientific manner.
No she is not. She is looking at the evidence and trying to scrutinize the validity of nonsensical claims made by politicians with their own agenda who are trying to blindside the Indian public. For an academic evidence is much more important than some ideology. This should be the case for any individual but sadly it isn't.
Conflict of interest, the person taking interview is interviewee's cousin brother. Compare Narendra Modi's interview with this one, and you would know the biases
As I read history glad to see Romila Thapar resonating those thoughts. We have to read a lot when it comes to history in today's context. She is an asset to India.
Dear Mr. Thaper, not that I see you as either an intelligent or a neutral journalist cause I am convinced you aren't... But saw this just to tell the viewers I hold this woman as the one who has misguided and poisoned young minds. What surprises me is still that woman has the gumption to claim her work to be true and you pose to be naive... Shame on you guys
THe correct genetic evidence suggests otherwise, the R Y-haplogroup (both r1a and b) which is most common in europe is apprently sourced in India. Thus killing all the theories that this lady professes. This means that there is apparently some kind of bias in the books that she wrote, or she genuinely did not know about the genetics. I am the most direct decendent of m343 She is not marxist , I see this trend among pseudo-intellectuals , who take marx's side. They are not.
What are u talking about ..... R1a haplogroup is prevalent in india.... it didn't source from India .... and what does "sourced in india" mean anyhow? How exactly does it disprove her work ?
@@SagnikSanyal88 I am talking about specifically basal R, which are found only in and around India. R2 is also mostly confined to India region. The parent of R(Q/P) are to the south east of India.
@@SagnikSanyal88 Because she directly supports Aryan Invasion theory, which as more and more evidence amasses is looking poor for her. The subtleties in how a historian addresses proofs to suit their theories typically reveals their personal-political ideas, unfortunately for her she is on the supposed "left", which everyone has LEFT... (pun intended).
How many of you know they karan thapar and romila thapar are actually brother and sister
She is Karen's 1st cousin
Hahahahaha
@@biebersucks27 indeed is
your stories are your interpretations and should be challenged.more books should be written by othet historians.
Law of chemistry.chemistry has no law.
@@mintusaren895 chemistry is a science based on evidence & history can be distorted according to the writers agenda.We are not the generation to accept whoever says whatever.To be scientific is to question everything.Hence....
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Mythologists are at work.
This woman is a champion! A champion of discrediting colonial lies that still tarnish India to this day!
According to her, mahmoud gazni came with gifts to indian people and just took only those 'gifts' which were given by indian people, including the wealth of Somnath Temple.!!!!!!!!!!!
No u are saying that not her ..... she is saying that Ghazni was a conqueror and essentially a violent military leader....but he may not have plundered the temple of somnath ..... she categorically called Mahmud a petty man ...... unlike u she is a professional historian she isn't giving opinions
@@SagnikSanyal88 Professional Historian who believes in Aryan invasion theory?
Hmmm
She is a fake historian being interviewed by a fake indian!!!!!???
@@SagnikSanyal88 But he did plunder the Somnath temple. I believe that's been recorded in his autobiographical accounts.
@@SagnikSanyal88 Yeah, She is a real distorian.
She is an intellectual maafiya who writes history purely based on her speculation...what an irony !she has never been An archeologist...mr Mohammad former asi director reprimanded her many time in the Ayodhya matter..she and many like her jnu maafiyas already proved that there was no temple but in excavation mr Mohammad found many traces and evidences which were denied knowingly by these false communal writers.as allahabad high court directed ).I doubt now why our text books are full of lies and shit...icsr and many organisations were under control of communist maafiyas and they lied and lied and vitiated our ancient past....what a terrorists they are...!! They should serve in jail but they are able to sell lies continuously because of their privileged profession ..very dangerous thing in india
Hello Genius, history is not absolute and even you don't know whether the mandir was demolished or just was deconstructed because anywhere in Ayodhya you will find temples buried. Try not to be an asshole and denounce others when you yourself don't have even an iota of knowledge 😂
Brahmin are liars, they just talk about basic greatness without evidence.
Romila Thapar is cousin of Karan Thapar
Both cousins look like anti indians and haters of humanity!!!???
One thing that is noteworthy here that she relied on colonial theory to prove Aryans were foreign but yet again and again said that things like oral tradition and mahmud ghazni theories were the works of colonial bosses.
I mean she is using colonial works, as she quote, as per her own advantage.
Her argument that Aryans were foreign was not based on colonial theory, but on her own interpretation of history.
She needs to give back the money she took from taxpayer's hard earned money. Her very eyes reveal her evil nature and nefarious designs she's plotting against a civilization.
There's genetic and other historical proof. Also how do you explain two complete different language families Indo-Aryan and dravidian
harapa,mohan jodro carbon dating go back to 9500years old
It’s a good laugh to read some of the comments from drawing room historians and intellectuals, who haven’t ever bothered to read anything. These stupid people can’t even differentiate between faith and history...
What they wrote is write?
Truly. Sad state of India.
If an alternate idea of Indian History presented to her, she term it as Hinduttwa conspiracy. What about the Dravidian History which has been propagated by a Christian Missionary known as Bishop Robert Caldwell. An Evangelist missionary theory is being established as fact. Why such intellectual discrimination?? I lost my trust form the Government of India and the History and Archaeological department..
Just two cousins having a good chat😂
Yeah two intellectual cousin having intellectual talk
@@narenvish Yeah who hate only one sort of religion fanatics and glorify the others
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@@narenvish If they are intellectual then I am Astronaut
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Ms Thapar is a doctrinaire of the West propounded AIT. Eloquent and erudite sounding Western interpretations of Indian History since colonial times, do not render accurate a specious argument. After admitting that archaeologists differ in the way they excavate sites and interpret artifacts, one must make allowance for studies and historical analyses that are contrary to popular accepted opinions of influential historians. It is unfair to brush all new theories as Hindutva propaganda.
What facts is this woman basing her opinions on Indian History and Ram Mandir. If archeological artifacts which can be dated are better than her "opinions" or whether she has better science to fall back upon??
Romila presents her lunatic left ideas with no proper facts and citations. No body is buying her views.
She was proved wrong on the statement that vedic period was 1500 BC not 3000 BC, If she is aware Budha was in 2500 BC and he was against vedas that means vedas were before Budha. Aryan theory has been disproved now time and again. She is proved wrong
R Balasubramanian sir.. Check the historical facts properly..
" The Lord Buddha was born in 623 BC in the sacred area of Lumbini located in the Terai plains of southern Nepal, testified by the inscription on the pillar erected by the Mauryan Emperor Asoka in 249 BC."
Lumbini, the Birthplace of the Lord Buddha - UNESCO World ...
True. I gave a link in which Mr. Atrey proved her wrong n the way she was misguiding with proofs.
You're illiterate..and yes she is socialist.
She is just a fiction writer.
Just Valmiki and ved vyas.
Iravatham Mahadevan : The Indus Script: Texts, Concordance and Tables (1977).
History and political ideology need some separation; confirmation bias for and against are erroneous disservice to the past, and little evidence we have of it. Past does not have to appease your theories or be palliative to our current problems. Past is dead and gone and historians should strive to hold themselves to a scientific merit, than an interpretive merit alone.
One day she will tell that there is no proof Ganesga's existence, don't worship him
modi has scientific proof!
The host seems more interested in talking than listening...
Appears that Indians don't know their own history. This is one fantastic emerging super power.
True vut we are growing from here and time is around. Things are chainging fast.
2021....hold my beer...
Contd.. If you are really interested in academic reasoning and real research for Indian history, go and read books by Dr Rajiv Malhotra. He has written three very important books, and many academic institutions have started making them as official part of syllabus. The books are 'Invading The Sacred', 'Being Different' and 'Braking India'. And if you are not sincere enough to go through the HARD EVIDENCES, please don't publish your views with so much certainty.
also read swamy nityananda of Kailasa! he is also a friend of that malmalhotra.
(Whatever Romila Thapar has said, has 100% truth.) You will get Noble slave of the year award from the Churchist for believing in all that jaZZ! What makes you think that I will suddenly start believing because you ENDORSE it? ;) ( I think you abuse her.) I do not think that I abuse anyone. Having a different opinion does not mean abusing. She is giving only an alternative history which her masters gave her. History can never be absolute. She or anyone else is not above veda anyways.
harih Om!
hindu historyis full of glorious thought but socalled secular,sicklur trained western indolist distorted,,,,
Dahir and Mohd bin kasim built new community in Sindh. Gajni and prithviraj were busy in building a new community from Somnath to New Delhi. How many of you think it is logical? I respect prof Thapar for her creativity. A true history should be the best known truth about any event.
Sir i dont agree with your view? She is a fake historian (This R tapur)) she supported jihadism bigotry and wrote false history! (One ex is that she says that Muslims invaded india for wealth and destroyed temples for wealth as also for brahminic centry??? How false and fake historian she is? Why did Muslims invaded west Africa and other parts of world?? Wealth and brahmin centres were there in Africa and other places across the world!???)according to me she is the best face of worst historians.!? If a historian does not know facts or distorts the facts can that person be historian!???? That is all. Now you are seeing terrorism and bigotry across the world! By whom? U know it sir!
so what she is saying is that she support Aryan Invasion Theory to legitimize Muslim and Christian Invasion!!
Amazing Lady!
dude where is hardtalk here..u keep saying you are greatest historian of india..you let her speak openly against bjp and hindutva..never asked any thing that will show her real face..good job bbc..but take my word we will surely change all evil thing done by her :)
It seemed to me oral history is "believe" that is beyond "justification" and "true"
It require a lot of reading of old text painting archeology
Karan Thapar and Romila Thapar are cousins. I find it disturbing that there was no disclaimer mentioning this.
All her theories are her constructs and has no research. She never goes for debates and she just lectures. The political influence this lady has is so much that she made sure Indira (India is Indira those times) Gandhi implemented all her ideologies which weaker India economically and culturally.
anchor forgot to disclaim his relationship with the guest
There was nothing to disclaim ..... they were discussing history .... not their family gossips
Grew up in anti colonial movement ???? But you seem to be still in colonial hangover.she is a Lutyens cronies.
+Tanka Prasad The opposite. She has strived to sift through the colonial thinking to create an Indian identity created by Indians.
While there are many areas where I differ with Romila Thapar's interpretations of historical events, there is ONE CLEAR POINT about Indian History in general (except for the Indus Valley Civilization that is still being literally unearthed) that seems valid. And, that point is: Our current narratives of Indian History are entirely based on British and Upper Caste Hindu views of India.
One may ask, "How so?"
When the British established themselves as our colonial masters, the Hindu upper caste sucked up to them for one simple reason. Enemy (the British) of their enemy (the Muslim rulers) was their (upper caste Hindu's) friend. For the British this was a big boon to establish their lordship over our vast land and population. (There are details of why Muslims shunned away from British rulers because for them it was a major loss when the British arrived and displaced the Muslim rulers.)
The British gathered historical anecdotes from this Hindu upper caste and created a colonial narrative that painted India as a land of snake charmers and spiritualism. The upper caste Hindu found solace in this interpretation because they could, at least, claim that India was superior in one area (religion / spiritualism). These two forces played into each other's hands and they served each other very well.
As a result of this collusion of interest between British colonial masters and the Hindu upper caste real India was forgotten and waylaid.
What was lost in the process was the progress that Indian mathematics, science and technology had made prior to British colonialism. Huge monuments - of which there were galore (Red Fort, Qutab Minar, Taj Mahal, Ajanta caves, Surya Mandir at Konarak, etc) - Indian steel sold in Europe as Damask steel, were not products of spiritualism or snake charming. They were solidly rooted in Indian science and technology, which was at par with British science and technology on the eve of the famous 1757 battle of Plassey (Palashi in Bengali). After that watershed event British economy as well as British science and technology took off - to be sure, riding on the back of wealth moved by East India Company from India to Britain.
Why do you feel inferior about truth? She is a historian. Her research is based on more sound facts than any politician or fantasy fiction writer, like the kinds who prophesise that we have ten thousand years of heritage (Indus valley civilization is at max 3000 BCE)
Shruti Koley I admire you shruthi who acknowleged truth of history.
fact but not values
indus valley civilization is not only 5000 bc,there is a site licated in India's haryana called bhirrana which is 10000 years old
she has mentioned in one of her interviews that her sources are mainly persian texts why would you stidy persian texts to understand a civilization or community who never spoke in persian but sanskrit
also many other historian and archaeologist claim her to be false
Anchor forget to disclose the relationship with guest
Romilla Thapar cousin sister of karan thapar
How is that material ????
@@SagnikSanyal88 it is
Do read books....
Who, ever said Indian Christians and Indian Muslims are foreigners (7:20). It is only Christianity and Islam is foreign to the Indians. At 14:38 she says 'historians don't cause controversies' and later she says 'historians only give an alternative explanation.' An alternative explanation is a cause for controversy, isn't it? Finally at 18:45 about the Ram Temple the question if there was a temple before the Babri mosque? The archaeology department dug out a structure beneath the mosque, isn't it the job of the historians to conclude what this structure was? Was it a huge temple or something else. The structure was an ancient structure but it was destroyed recently and on top of it was built a mosque? If historians like this Romila can't solve a recent such a recent event, how will she throw light on the ancient Aryan theory?
Historians publish their views, we read and we fight, ignoring we have future......
Gandhi's forefather were dewan, so Machhiwala Thakaar .
Patel KEYA KAR rahethe.
Sardar asardar nahi raha.
Modern history from Gujrat.
Larkana me.
No. 1 manipulator.
Mr Vaibhav see English people have their own agenda that they want to tell that not only English people were invaders but Indians also were invaders. That is why they implement the theory of Aryans invasion. Even Max muller change his theory of Aryan invasion theory at his last time. ( the word meaning Arya is not a tribe. Arya puthra arya puthri arya vaidhya means only great , glorious or my own. More over The old English were not ready to go history before B C 4012 October 4th
she is intensionally, saying, build, history, does not know belief, does not stand her study, fool, read well, could not understand, what is her religion, father mother , belief system, husband and children,
history written at the time of a ruler will be written with the full account of the good, depicted through out his life time. this will be recorded and will be well preserved as a needed, by his courtiers or else historians life will be short.this will be our future, firm evidence available. when rani padmini of Rjastan was to be abducted by the mughal king to be taken to his harem, a small incident is mentioned about the johar committed by the females of the palace, by meer khusrow that too in a poetical style or else fearing the wrath of his ruler.. the story remains mainly in the local folklore of Rajastan only, naturally they have no place in history but only in the village ballads sung by them.looks like fiction to a historian, will remain in the confinement of a village only, with no impotence about the valour shown by the the population of the time. looks like historically dead people should come alive and give evidence to their life lived. historians will need mathematical proof to their work while most of it is, surface dug on assumptions and circumstantial imagination. what to be included will depend upon the need of the time, suiting their positions. then why not mention all possibilities.
Contd:She has also categorically denounced the colonial interpretation of Indian history which viewed hindus and muslims in constant conflict. Its an irony that people label her of being pro-west. I think the criticisms and sometimes cheap name calling largely comes from people adhering to the hindutva ideology. And if that is your agenda here I have nothing more to say.
Guys are making a big mistake. There was never a country called Inida. The Vedic religion was practiced mostly in what we now call Pakistan, Afganistan, central Asia, Iran and probably in latter times in North western India.
The above is basically evident from linguistic and genetic patterns.
Rest of what we now call India consists of various populations who adopted to this religion at varying degrees with passage of time.
If anybody wants to dispute this, they have to say why the poets of Rig Vedam did not mention Kaveri or Krishna. They did not know "India" and that is the reason.
Gunzo Gunzo True that!
Gunzo Gunzo "Gange cha Yamuna cha chaiva godavari saraswati narmade sindhu kaveri jalesmi sanidham kuru'
No India
May be you should read Vishnu puran
😂there was no india,there was Bharat,and pqkistan was part of bharat❤
This is the same historian who in supreme court confirm in affidavit that she can't read n write either Persian or sanskrit n teaches Indian history which source material is sanskrit n persian.
i am confused how a women who dont know to read and write sanskrit can write history of a civilization based on sanskrit
She and Habib had destroyed our ancient history along with Congress and left
History is based on archeological and anthropological studies not through watsapp forwards from the nagpur
Her views on Mahmud Ghazni are totally wrong.
This is Hard Talk??? What a charade!! Standards at BBC have fallen surely!
Indias best known historian? He says this multiple times throughout this interview. Well Mr Thapar say it as much as you like its not going to make it true!
These psuedo-scholars are a serious threat to the Vedic legacy. A lot work is being done in genetic anthropology along with archaeology which clearly traces origins to the Indian subcontinent both at the CULTURAL and GENETIC level.
Standards at BBC were never high to begin with,
Aryans are indigenous to India but they cannot claim India because when Manu cast lots to his 3 sons, Aryans got the top cold north region of the world. Read my magazine: Cast and the Bible available at independent.academia.edu\JohnEllen.
First I didn't say anything about her being qualified to validate scientific findings. Secondly as a historian she is perfectly capable of scrutinizing the archaeological evidences, many international historians like Micheal Woods and Francesca Stavrakopoulou have done that. Thirdly and I have to emphasize this, Romila has never supported the aryan invasion theory. I do not know where you re getting your facts from. She has out-rightly stated this in her book A History of India-Vol1.
yeah i hate creativity in history
KILL THIS HINDUTVA PEOPLES! YOU DO NOT DISTORT MY LOVELY RELIGION AND MY HOME LAND HISTORY AND VEDAS! OK ROMILA THAPAR TALKS PERFECT SHE HAS ALL THE DOCUMENTS WITH ALL WATER TIGHT REFERENCES. SUCH LOVELY MASTER PIECE SHE GIVES SUCH A LOVELY DIRECTION!
Sorry she is not Best known Historian .... But is a worst historian ... A liar ..... Attack by hinduttya is just a face saver for her
She has not written anything on Ram temple judgement now but she was giving her opinion @19min is proof that Thapar accepted her mistakes but left academia is still not doing the same
That is why I used the word if. Glad to know that your criticisms do not stem from a nationalistic point of view. Victor Sarianidi's findings in Turkmenistan also point towards the migration theory although I am aware of the criticisms BB lal has made on Sarianidi's claims. One sees the aryans as a linguistic group rather than a race because the Rig Vedic sanskrit(1500 BCE) language has a very close resemblance with the Indo-Eurpoean family tree.
She is a person of very correct approach towards history.
Thanx for the laugh.
They look so similar . It's just the hairstyles and dress changed.
She is an outstanding historian. I loved this interview!
she is just communist
and also karan thaper is communist
If she were a historian, she would go to the museums where Aurangzeb's original Farmans are still kept. She will find his handwritten orders to demolish thousands of temples. But instead, she goes to the British library to copy paste Indian history written by Brits. She is not even fit to be my college librarian.
If they were so sure about the Aryans origin then why the hell after UPA-1 coming first thing they scrapped was archiological project on Saraswati river inhabitations.This was done in haste by Parliamantry commitee headed by CPI(M) MP Nilotpal Basu.We Arayns(sanatan dharam) believes in Truth will triumph one day, and that is going to happen.
like you conversation
Very FLAWED, she needs to educate herself more.
ALL SHE IS BASING HER THEORY OF EXONERATING GAZNI IS THAT THE HINDUS DID NOT EXPRESS THEIR AGONY AND TRAUMA during a certain period of time!! While the were ruled by the killers... Wah! What about the Muslim writings? She says that various people said different things... OF COURSE each of the Muslim writers wrote from their experiences, not by a committee of leftist historians.
No wonder brahmans don't like her. She challenges them and calls out the bigotry among them.
1 she talks about indian identity when she started thinking about history after colonial view point and admires at max mullers 1500 bc and about invasion?
Romila Thapar is a anti-hindu historian who denigrates ancient India ,but panders to the muslim rule in the middle ages. She is the worst kind of "historian",so-called. I have read the Rig Veda and nowhere in those 11,000 hymns authored by more than 300 poets ever mention any place other than the land of seven rivers ,which is northern , western India and Eastern Pakistan. Are you accusing those poets of some kind of amnesia about their past? Or are you implying that all of them are liars ? The likes of Romila Thapar are the worst distorters of history. She is a stooge of muslims and the western powers. Her scholarship is dubious.
While commenting on her works about the question of Ghazni invading India, she suggests that she has adhered to the best practices that a historian should do by interpretation of diverse sources.
On the question of Ram Mandir, she suggests that interpretations of archaeological finds could be inconclusive and misleading.
Is she trying to put across that she has accomplished her findings with utmost probity and professionalism that the archaeologists are not capable of?
it fell really good to see romila thapar standing against hindu funadamentalist who runs away from from deciphernig objective history bcoz it does not suit their interest... and moreover historians job is not to create controversy, their job is to write objective history which thapar has done nicely.
But Ms Thapar said archaeological artifacts are subject to interpretation, no? 19:05 So they are not completely objective but rather to a certain degree subjective.
***** so u believe that hindu fundamentalist do not exist and u r terming it as colonial lies... get a life dude... what about all riots that happened in pre-independence era and continue to affect the society in post-independence era too... what do you term VHP, Bajrang dal, shiv sena and rss.
+Toosin Beymen
Yeah. As per her, only she is capable of interpreting history with utmost objectivity that others like archaeologists lack.
What if all ur saying are reverse...infact they are ,kindly see the interview of former asi archaeology director mr Mohammad ...European propaganda is understood as objectivity in the same way European understand themselves superior to black and English learned people how foolish they are ,get more privilege than hindi knowing man.i wonder the knowledge of upsc candidates based on romilas speculation and bipan chandra's objectivity...what an irony!! Today it is a fashion that if u hear indian culture by a hindu u doubt it but if hear from a man who is either non hindu or propagandist u think it is objectivity....in the same manner some men who is criticising the Congress u consider it a Modi bhakt....what a hypocrisy indian people are subjected to...!!
@@Zoro.12345 What about political murders if non communists in West Bengal and Kerela
We are still surviving with such wrong understanding of our own history ......there is something very unique in our culture
Karan talks too much. Irritating.
i belonged to this land,,i respect whole idealogy which survived and respected,,western brought up and pampered by n g o to denigrade to india,,aryan biased is totally creation to rule india,,indian hstory is 100000 old,,,
Propaganda news peddler in conversation with a distorian
I wish he would stop interrupting her 🙄
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and for god's sake dont use the word science with history. social science like history should be called social studies, not science.
While Romila Thapar talks a good game, she is definitely anti-Hindu and the Hindus return the feeling. After 1,000 years of slavery, Hindus finally became free but not really as the British plant Nehru and his progeny continued the anti-Hindu campaign. By the way, both the Thapars are related to Nehru.
They did DNA analysis of human skeletons found in Harappa and mohinjodaro archaeological sites- they found the bones to be around 5000 years old by carbon dating and DNA closely mimics that of modern day punjabis. She is drunk. No Aryans invaded India
it was really the Tamils , the darker race ... who was the the real people of " Bharatham "
You aryans came running through the indus canals .... >.
crazy man. they found skeletons in mohinjodaro harappa, DNA shows they are just like punjabis, not tamils. they are five thousand years old. when mauryans had massive cities and wealth, tamil nadu was reeling in poverty. they didn't even wear the lungis. bharatham....is named after king bharat who ruled hastinapur near delhi
sksksk What about the Dravidian History which has been propagated by a Christian Missionary known as Bishop Robert Caldwell? There is no Dravidian Race and no Aryan Race...
genetics from harappa refutes aryan invasion.i have to read into bishop caldwells work for further comment.
sksksk Ya you should. You see in Tamil Nadu the whole politics is revolved around the Dravidian theory. Just because there is an AIT the existence of DT is not questioned. Dravidian Theory is constructed by a Christian Missionary to convert the backward cast Hindus there is still used today.
Mr Karan Thapar, this is hardly a hard talk and not anywhere close to your standards. Sounds more like Romilla Thapar soft influence spreading talk.
Thapar has condoned the aryan invasion theory and she has been taking this position in all her talks. You should provide a reference to show specifically when she has supported the invasion theory. I think the issue is between migration and whether the aryans were indigenous. Mainstream linguists agree tht the evidence points towards migration specifically due to the similarities of latin and greek with sanskrit, the former being a kind of cousins and not a derivative.
Brother interviewing sister
Romila is my mother
Your claim that RT has never supported AIT is completely false. In fact she has been made to change her stand by continual logical rebuttals from archeologists like BB Lal and SR Rao. Please check the history of how RT and like minded people opposed the findings of a REAL SCIENTIST like BB Lal. I can't prove everything to you over net. I would like you to read the proceedings of BB Lal's talk on challenging 19th century paradigm and RT's, and you will know why she gets her bad name.
@A E for the bblals soth indians dont exist except as hanumans !
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a pseudo historian with an agenda
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guru nanak,govind singh defined muslimhistory more practically than promila thapar,their are heap of indian,chinese,arbaian source which narated lot of barbarism of islam on india afganistan,,,writer from pakistan,,hassannissar,is better learned than thapar
Does the colonized mind pause to ponder why anyone would "migrate" in the direction of a dying river system?
people often misinterpret romila thapar without read her. she is the most twinkling star in writings of indian history. unfortunate is the bigotry and insistence on people's prejudices...
people often want to locate its present in the past. this is the problem.
Part of the reason being, neither do we have a "present" to boast of nor a "future" that appears very golden. Also, these backward-facing forces who try to glorify the "past" on false grounds are the folks who have always lived off others' labors. They are not the hard working, toiling masses who are capable of building India from ground up.
I must admit that I too think of many glorious things in our past - Indus Valley Civilization being one of them, which has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Vedic and Brahmanical traditions. My focus is entirely on our scientific, mathematical, and technological achievements (not the Modi-type claims which explains Ganesha as a creation of vedic plastic surgery (sic!)) and also recognize the fact that our scientists from the first millennia onward were HOUNDED by the brahmanical religious traditions, which started more than a 1000 year before Giordano Bruno was burnt at the stakes by the Church, while Copernicus and Galileo were made to recant their cosmological theories.
In a similar manner, our scientists and mathematicians - such as, Brahma Gupta (6th ~ 7th century AD) and Varahamihira (6th century AD) - were forced to first pay obeissance to the Rahu-Ketu nonsense before they carefully and guardedly explained lunar and solar eclipses in the correct scientific manner.
She is wrong.. that's it
No she is not. She is looking at the evidence and trying to scrutinize the validity of nonsensical claims made by politicians with their own agenda who are trying to blindside the Indian public. For an academic evidence is much more important than some ideology. This should be the case for any individual but sadly it isn't.
this woman should be jailed indefinitely
fake historian
You are great historian ,.Entire multicultural india is with your great views and facts
Yeah she's so great that she believes in Aryan invasion theory
Conflict of interest, the person taking interview is interviewee's cousin brother. Compare Narendra Modi's interview with this one, and you would know the biases
The host is a little over the top, I think. Quoting inflammatory articles - rather sensationalistic, no?
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As I read history glad to see Romila Thapar resonating those thoughts. We have to read a lot when it comes to history in today's context. She is an asset to India.
This lady is a fake historian????
Whatsapp history is correct history according to bhakts
@@mohakroy821 but jihadists and fake self styled historians have fed false narrative on barbaric medieval historians??!!!
@@mohakroy821 fake historians are correct as per tukde gangsters!?
@@parameahwarbt4920 yes we are tukde tukde gang and we will do tukde tukde of modi and rss bjp
This kitty party era women rejects the facts presented by Archaeologist but is an Historian. Amazing!
Please see this documentary as well and decide "Scientific Verification of the Vedas 1" on RUclips
Dear Mr. Thaper, not that I see you as either an intelligent or a neutral journalist cause I am convinced you aren't...
But saw this just to tell the viewers I hold this woman as the one who has misguided and poisoned young minds.
What surprises me is still that woman has the gumption to claim her work to be true and you pose to be naive...
Shame on you guys
read only rsswala gas which does not consider the south worthy of notice.
THe correct genetic evidence suggests otherwise, the R Y-haplogroup (both r1a and b) which is most common in europe is apprently sourced in India. Thus killing all the theories that this lady professes. This means that there is apparently some kind of bias in the books that she wrote, or she genuinely did not know about the genetics.
I am the most direct decendent of m343
She is not marxist , I see this trend among pseudo-intellectuals , who take marx's side. They are not.
What are u talking about ..... R1a haplogroup is prevalent in india.... it didn't source from India .... and what does "sourced in india" mean anyhow? How exactly does it disprove her work ?
@@SagnikSanyal88 I am talking about specifically basal R, which are found only in and around India. R2 is also mostly confined to India region. The parent of R(Q/P) are to the south east of India.
And how does this disprove her work?
@@SagnikSanyal88 Because she directly supports Aryan Invasion theory, which as more and more evidence amasses is looking poor for her. The subtleties in how a historian addresses proofs to suit their theories typically reveals their personal-political ideas, unfortunately for her she is on the supposed "left", which everyone has LEFT... (pun intended).