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Tesla V4 Supercharger 1st Impressions!
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I think standardizing the charge port location is just as important as the NACS standardization. With gas pumps having a longer hose is not an issue because it just means the fluid is pumped a littlle farther, but with high voltage cabling every extra inch counts so designers dont want the cable any longer than it has to be for resistance and heat control reasons. Consumers are left picking up the pieces when designers dont agree on simple things like this.
Seems like the charging posts should be 12"-18" further forward, then it would be universally agnostic to the charge port location.
Ya that should do it when factoring driving in or backing in. In general mounting the charger infront of the stall is a simpler universal fix.
@@ccibinel these posts ostensibly enable trailer charging.
I would think that manufactures should put ports either driver rear (like Tesla) or front passanger. That way it's the "same" location by either pulling in or backing in.
Agreed
Or behind the license plate (Aptera). Seems to reach even with most v3. The only locations that really don't work are front left and rear right which unfortunately have been used.
Yup, the port location also needs to be standardized for all cars fitted with new NACS ports. Otherwise it'll be chaos at the electricity pumping station 😮
@@ntulsian NACS/J3400 is a standard but Tesla doesn't need to allow vehicles with poor locations on their charging network. They can use nacs with other quality networks like... 🦗 Want a good network - move the port.
It should be driver rear like a normal gas car. Why manufacturers still try to put the charging port in driver front is bonkers to me. Makes no sense from a public charging sense and even less sense for home charging.
Shouldn't the Rivian be backed in to that spot and then use the charger on the right side of it? I can't see the entire lot so I don't know how it's laid out but that would make sense to me.
Yep, and it would occupy 2 stalls
@@TailosiveEVoh, so the Rivian clones itself when it backs in to a space? I swear they’re teach weird science to the kids theses days!
I think along with using NACS, all of the auto manufacturers should also standardize where the charging port is.
Left back corner makes the most sense.
Back in and use the other charger cable or don't park so far in... such an easy solution. The Tesla can also back in or not park so far in and it'll reach either... doesn't take that much brain power. Lol Also, Rivians aren't the only other EV. People can just use the other side chargers. They don't bill you based on the space you're in. They bill based on the charger you use.
If you back in, the cable reaches the front of cars that have the socket in the front .....Also there is a charging station on each side of the car/stall .....I don't see the problem
That cable the Rivian used wouldn’t be available to the Tesla, because the Tesla port is on the left side
@@TailosiveEVno, that cable isn’t available to the Tesla because that cable is plugged into the Rivian! lol!!!
That lay out would work on a Lightning.
Where was this location? And, was it an actual V4 (with the upgraded power cabinet)?
at 0:03 & 2:56 the first spot (1A) in the layout is shown and depicts how the layout works. 1A certainly has enough space to back into with Rivian and only occupy 1A which is the correct spot. The cord handle would stretch along the front bumper and be plugged in on the driver side. I believe that is why there is so much asphalt behind the white line and before the landscaping - allows deeper parking to allow cable to reach across to other side.
Or just back in with the ccs rivians?
Why not just back in?
this is what I was thinking as well
You could, but you’d still be occupying 2 stalls
Superchargers should have a way to heat up the plugs when left in snow and it gets iced up.
That layout would work slightly better if you was towing. If your towing you can’t back in like you would need to do with a Cybertruck on a v4 charger that has that a central plug.
Since no manufacturer has started putting the NACS port on their cars we don’t know if those ports would be closer to the rear driver side.
This is so simple. The layout is fine. People will park how they have to park to charge their cars. I am sure Tesla has thought this through. Although it would be nice to have quite a lot more V4 charging stations going up. Furthermore, Tesla is woefully behind on their idea of using local solar canopies and local battery storage at supercharging locations.
Simple Change, parallel parking near the chargers. Its done widely in Europe
I bet Rivian R2 platform will have charging in the back. Then eventually R1 will switch to rear charging port.
But i agree will be very awkward situations at superchargers once other manufacturers are allowed.
Would the Rivian owner have this problem if they backed into the parking spot?
I like the hollow retro scifi look of the old stands. Like old classic american fuel pumps but white, shiny and spacey
Why didn’t Rivian back up in the stall like Teslas in V2-3 stations??
I think yall are making this appear harder than what it is from what I’m seeing.
Back the rivian and it’ll reach. Back the Tesla, it’ll reach with the charger being used on the left side of the vehicle… in both vehicles.
Tesla charger is on the back of the car. Charge stall is at the front of the space. It doesn’t reach, but even if it dude people aren’t gonna back into space like that
@@TailosiveEV well shit. I haven’t seen a V4 in person yet so it it looked like it would reach in the video :/
@@TailosiveEV but I will also add that this is the first video I’ve seen with them set up like that for the U.S. version.
Now I’m left scratching my head
Looks like Harding Blvd in Roseville, CA. I had no idea they installed chargers there. 😱
The should place it in the middle far back in the booth. The it can reach both sides of a vehicle, even if the charge port is close to the front wheel/front door. For teslas and others, they would have to back in as usual. It would also prevent for the neighbour to take the wrong charger.
All cars should have their charging ports either in the front or the back of the driver side.
And charging stations should be placed where they usually are, but the cable should be able to reach the left edge of the parking stall (for vehicles that have drove in, with charging ports on driver side front) and right edge of the parking stall (for vehicles that backed in, with charging ports on driver side back).
standardized
Agreed
I think the Revian could have backed into space and run cable over the hood?
You can just backup your Rivian to charge
Occupying 2 stalls…
@@TailosiveEV it's the only way when it is empty
Defeats the entire point of having longer cables
No need. The rivian almost reaches. Back up 6 inches and it would be fine. Hardly "half way in".
Had to be there to understand the layout better I guess. There were lots of cars driving by the stalls, you’d be sticking out intro traffic. Poor layout imo
The cable seems like it would work if the rivian was further back 6-12 inches.
Where is this located? Is it outside Sacramento area?
Back in the Rivian and it would work.
“confused by the layout?” Simply back into the parking place to put your charging port closer to the pedestal. I’m amazed at how none of you could figure out such a simple solution.
Did you miss the whole point about occupying 1 stall per car? Backing in and using the other stall would occupy 2 spaces. Defeating the point of having longer cables
@@TailosiveEV I believe the longer cable would reach over the hood of the Rivian to the charge point if it were to be backed in. Of course, you didn’t test it.
for non-tesla, do you think it should be used with our own extensions cable..
Looks like the Rivian just needed to be moved back 1-2 feet for the connector to fit.
It would stick out 2 ft into the driving lane, but then you see the giant trucks in grocery store parking lots, and they stick out more like 4-6 ft. Apparently not a problem for anyone other than annoyed people like me.
Still a bad design. Not everyone will know to do that
Rivians can only back in. Teslas can park on either side, forward or backed in. More convenience for teslas.
Is it possible that the cable is retracting to a shorter default length for Tesla and extending farther when another vehicle is in the stall?
Im confused, wouldn’t this be solved by simply reversing in?
That would occupy 2 spaces
Having the CCS adapter enables Tesla to submit requests for EV charging station development money from the federal infrastructure bill. Making it difficult for non-Tesla vehicles serves the internal function of pushing people into buying Tesla EVs.
A better solution in general would be a trolly overhead with the cable mounted on a swivel. Think of the hose in a manual car wash that hangs from overhead. The end of the hose can reach all the way around the car.
While that sounds great, that would be a nightmare in northern climates where that would get cold and possibly frozen making it impossible to use. Not to mention the maintenance upkeep that would be required.
Wouldn't you reverse and park the other way?
I don't get it
Why not back in the Rivian?
That occupies two spaces
Interesting…what is the location that you went to…i’ll check it out
Why don't you just back in? 🤔
Is that not an option for some reason?
Yeah should be in the middle of the spot to reach either side. Idk how simple oversights like this happen
Yeah, you don't drive Rivian
Was that V4 in Roseville?
Why don’t you get the layout? Instead of backing in, you head in and the charging port is close to the charging plug.
Why did you watch the video? He went in and the cable didn’t reach
@@TailosiveEV Ah, I was thinking about the correct design of a vehicle gas-fuel port or charging port, which is in the rear, not in the front. If it’s in the front, back in and swing the charging cable to the other side if necessary.
Back the Rivian in and see if it reaches
Could the rivian back into the parking spot and it would reach?
Yes, and take up 2 stalls
Not an ideal idea whatsoever but would it be practical for tesla or rivian or third party to start making like a 5 or 10 ft extension adapter
Couldn't maybe back up a foot or so?
How fast will it charge per hour? The current ones charge about 400 miles per hour.
what is this stupid bot response. thats wrong
Whatever this is, it’s not as awkward as curbside L2 stations where the cable needs to be max fatigued to reach a driver’s side port. Really the worst of all.
Just back the Rivian in on the other side of the Supercharger
Takes up 2 stalls. Defeating the point of the longer cable
@@TailosiveEV I fail to see your logic. Parked in one space somehow occupies two spaces🤔
It seems like they heard everyone ask for layouts with pull through like, oh, I don't know, a GAS STATION! You know the system thoroughly iterated and perfected to be able to accommodate every vehicle of every configuration over generations and decades... Then they completely failed to understand what everyone wanted and went halfway in such a way as to make it objectively worse than just slapping them front and center at the end of the space. *facepalm* (With the center config at least every EV I know of should be able to use it without being out of the space. If I'm missing any legit benefit let me know. The only thing I can thing of is cars with the port in the back won't have to back it, maybe they're concerned with driver skill in doing so...)
Why didn't he just back in?
Occupies 2 stalls
That makes no sense but ok
I think it's about time other automakers to start adjusting to tesla's charging pots, than tesla having to adjust to them.
The Best Way, Tesla can help is my not opening it to the public. This is going to be Tessa’s biggest blunder and you’ll see Tess is lining up waiting for non-Teslas to charge so they can then charge their Teslas
Backup your car and will fit
Turn the car 😂
Just reverse park And it would reach 😅
Just backup the rivian another foot. Problem solved.
Or you can just back in
Prefer the V3. V4 has much thicker cable, harder to use. Here in the EU the V4 CCS2 plug is also bigger than the slim one on the V3
Rivian needs to reconsider their charging port.
This is going to be a mess but we'll adapt
Am I the only one that is always still shocked at how amazing iPhone camera footagle is?
The ginger math aint mathing huh
its almost like there are two sides to the port for a reason. park on either side.
Occupy. Multiple. Stalls.
Why aren't they just laid out like gas station pumps? Not all petrol cars have the gas tank port on the same side, but it still functions fine for everyone at the pump. Just have to wait your turn to fit where you fit.
Complaining, again.
Sorry I meant to say they’re flawless with 0 problems