What you see and what is shown on the screen is not what FSD sees. What is shown on the screen is close to what FSD sees in labeled 3D but projected in 2D. You have found a unique senario similar to Chuck Cook's unprotected left turn. First the approach to the "curb" is blind. The right turn lane turns into a cross walk in the intersection and ends in a wheelchair ramp eliminating the "curb" in the lane. The error here is primarily one of incorrect lane section and incorrect crosswalk design. It is not due to failure to recognize a curb since there is no curb in the lane of travel. PS: "Supervised FSD" is just another way to say beta "full self-driving".
But it is clearly marked and signed as a right-turn only lane. All three lanes have good, clear marking and signage. Also, I bet that Google Maps directs drivers to the appropriate lane on approach to the intersection without issue.
I still think it was a serious mistake not using radar/LIDAR as the cameras can only see so much (a combo of both would be powerful) but they chosen cams only
don't think they will ever use lidar(unless government steps in and demands it on all self driving platforms). I do expect better cameras though, and maybe something like millimeter wave radar pointed at curbs
@@vvvprince9487 what a stupid statement, you just saw proof that it's still dangerous and you defend that ? By not using radar or lidar they are just making the code a lot more complicated than it should be allowing for more bugs. Imagine how good it would be if it had longer range and could natively see what's 3d and what's not instead of trying to figure it out with only cameras. You never saw a Waymo do what the Tesla did. This is just cheaping out, they could have used 3d sensors for now and figure how to do it with cameras in the background, instead they just make it dangerous and idiots like you still praise it.
I work as a test driver for one of the world’s biggest OEMs doing autonomous research and development. This stuff is incredibly complex for a computer to handle. It might seem simple to most people but it’s actually amazing what these things can do on basic sensors. I get that it has been able to handle this before but I think people are really hard on these systems in general without knowing just how difficult this stuff is to do.
That makes complete sense. You're definitely correct, very complex stuff. it's just frustrating how it does it something correct 100x over and then forgets everything it knows.
People are right to expect high standards, since they are the ones that might be killed by these systems. Acting like that's no biggie is crazy when you want to convince people to trust your system with their lives. It was clear from the start that anything below excellence is unacceptable in here.
@@loveyourword no one is expecting the customer to trust these systems yet. That’s why it’s supervised. You also sign a huge disclaimer when you first use it.
I get why tesla drivers are hard on the system when Elon have been saying since 2016 that the system is safe and fully functioning and robot taxis are the next big thing, I don't by Elon BS so I never belived it worked and now closing in to 10 years later the system is in a Beta state rather then Alpha and in another 10-15 it might work and be safe to use on public roads.
I got to your 15:22 bit, the stupid thing is the computer knows it's a right turn Lane only as it's showing it on the actual screen that it's a right only turn (and sees the curb) and it knows it can't go straight on but it's still goes straight on (until you forced it off to avoid the curb) that is really perplexing very strange why it's ignoring the road markings that it can clearly see on the display
@@Full_Self_Driven must be somthing els going on as that display is what FSD uses (loads of detailed information that isn't shown normally ) so confused why it's not using it, it's like somebody's added a database link to it that tells the computer to ignore its own information in front of it tesla do push out junction/road rules for when the FSD isn't reading the junction correctly, so overrides FSD autopilot and directs it to take say the middle lane or correct incorrect phantom lanes that FSD just keeps on trying to change into this looks like one of them Overrides where it's ignoring FSD director (it clearly knows it's in the wrong lane but it's staying in the right lane and ignoring the pavement it clearly can see, when it should be in middle lane (witch it clearly can see, it even sees the road markings) To bad you don't have access to the detailed information that I see some of the other RUclipsrs use to see what FSD is doing
@@leexgx A lot in FSD is using AI thing based on statistical rules, From the situation you got I think that there is the Rule telling it is in the right lane, so the wrong lane for your path, but I think that there is a competing Rule telling him not to disengage of this lane, from the screen we can see it see the bump too late, maybe it "thought" it got 3 lanes after. I don't know if this is OK in your country to drive on right lane to go, but maybe the rules tells it it's OK, which in all case is not acceptable.
15:25 it was definitely going to wreck into that median. Thanks for waiting until the last minute to take over. I’d be too nervous letting it get that close!
The idea that human cognition and perception is way more complex than any computer with a bunch of cameras actually offends some people. They somehow want to believe that humans are simple, pathetic, the same as a mindless robot with cameras.
People just think everything is easy to solve. If you can teach a human you can teach a system. On top of that it's supposed to figure stuff out of thin air. Like in the joke where a guy gets into a cab and when asked where to go he replies with "my house, specifically living room". People just do not comprehend how recognising the reality around them is not simple for a computer. And it's fuelled by scammers, charlatans, dubious marketing, misinformation and media false reporting news. Like Elon saying his cars can already be used as an autonomous cabs and openai is presenting chatgpt as almighty allknowing AI deity.
You turn the blinker on to indicate that you're changing lanes or avoiding obstructions in your lane. The software did what every driver should, but often doesn't.
15:11 What appears to be happening here, from a programming/sensor data analysis point of view is the different markings on the road are so close, the lines don’t have a clear Corner on some of the transitions where it looks like they overpainted part of it, there is a large crosswalk that’s left guide line is very close to the left guideline of the turning lane you’re in. I also think that the reason Teslas curb detection system doesn’t detect the curb is due to the unique slope gradient of that curbs corner. It likely deflects the radar signal at a weird trajectory and it causes the signal data to never get back to the Tesla.
@15:20 The display seems to prioritize the suspended traffic lights. At that moment it's not showing its prediction for the road ahead. In contrast @16:04 we see the traffic lights and the predicted route on the display.
Did you say what version of FSD you're using? I'm using version 12.3.6 and using the default settings I noticed how aggressive it was. I toned down the settings especially the one about minimal lane changing and I noticed a lot of the weird lane changing stuff stopped. So overall would you recommend FSD or not?
Normally I state the version at the beggining or at least in the description. Might have forgot to input the software number, this was 12.3.6. Normally i stick with normal mode but minimal lane change was not turned on for this drive. I would recommend FSD as long as someone is behind the wheel paying super close attention. The unexpected issues just need to be anticipated if the system is in use.
@@Full_Self_Driven I agree, you do have to pay very close attention. The one thing I really hate about it is Navigation does not have a setting to let you avoid highways like Google Maps does so it's always trying to force you onto the freeway. I think I'm going to pay the $99 for one more month to see if they send me version 12.14.2 or 3 so I can test that out. If not I think I will cancel it.
@@lashlarue59not being able to avoid highways has been my biggest gripe with FSD. I saw on not a tesla app that this feature will soon be added. Luckily, I had 3 family members who used my referral, which allowed me to use FSD free for almost a year.
@@Zach95 That is good news that they are adding that feature but I do have a work around. Basically go to Google Maps and set up your trip with the stuff you want to avoid then export that route to the Tesla app. Then the route with the proper avoid stuff will appear on the car and FSD will use it. If you want the exact steps let me know.
It’s a good thing they finished that area on 285 you were riding on. I travel this same area just about every day! The back roads are still full of potholes!
Interesting to a non-tesla driver. Do you think now they are out of beta they will have to do a "long term" branch where they just iron out mapping and minor bug fixes, and another branch latest features ?
I'm not exactly sure. We've now been out of beta for almost 3 months and they've sent out over 5 new updates. Not much has changed since graduating from beta to supervised. Hoping to see some fixes for the known issues in my area but I've already been waiting quite some time.
I just got mine ,and I know that you can make it change lanes by using the turn signal lever. First time on my condo, it was going to pass at normal speed over a speed bump ,I had to break .. Next time it learned that there was a speed bump and reduced. I'm not sure if it learns or simply had better vision the second time.
Okay, so three things. First, thank you so much for this. I don't own a Tesla nor do I intend to buy one, but I consider it exceptionally important to know what other drivers on the road might do, especially Tesla drivers who put on full self driving mode and just go to sleep. Apparently Tesla patched that, but people in my area of Southern California have apparently figured out a work around as we see them sleeping all the time. Very scarry stuff. 2nd, that near miss at around the 15:00 minute mark was absolutely insane. 3rd, if you do have full self driving enabled, do you have any tips to allert a sleeping driver that they are approaching an area that they may want to be awake for. Honking horns tends to scare people...do you have any kind of better idea? Seriously, thank you for this series.
FSD is a work in progress. Ultimately it will be safer than any human driver and will save countless lives. I can’t wait for that to happen! Complaining that FSD is is not perfect yet is like being mad at a two year old child for not being more grown up. Thanks for doing this testing and help to improve it.
Thank you for your feedback, it only helps us grow the channel. I’m sorry if I came across as complaining, was merely pointing out the fact that FSD did this intersection perfectly 100% of the time for two years. Not until v12 released months back did this issue start occurring. If other cars are around the car still aggressively drives through the intersection in the wrong lane. This is a major safety concern which needs to be addressed.
@@Full_Self_DrivenThat's a good point. Software like FSD should have consistency between versions. Users should not be reading patch/update notes for a feature built in to the car and that has worked for quite a while.
The Apollo guidance computer had a whopping 36k of ROM and 2K of RAM. It got 27 astronauts to the Moon and back without killing anybody, and without any accidents. All of Elon's Dojo computers and Gigatech can't navigate fully mapped streets. Don't forget, Apollo 12 flew 240,000 miles to the Moon and its LEM landed within 300 ft of its target, the unmanned surveyor probe. Not bad for 36k of ROM and 2K of RAM using inertial navigation and star fixes. No road maps no GPS.
That's absolutely insane when you think about it with that context. Tesla's been at it for years, it feels the last few months the system has gotten gradually worse.
@@elektron2kim666 Listen up, Sparky. If the Apollo guidance computer screws up you either crash into the Moon or miss and go hurtling off into the solar system.
I just came back from about 1000 miles of driving over 3 days with V12.3.6 on a mix of city, suburban, rural and interstate driving. I had two times that I needed to intervene for safety (both in confusing construction zones at night) and once when it was going to turn into the wrong driveway for the Supercharger station. FSD suggested that I change driver profile from Chill to Average which seemed to improve lane change behavior -- changing lanes when appropriate (mostly) and when requested by me. I used it at night and during the day both in areas that I was familiar with and in areas that were unfamiliar. At night, in unfamiliar areas, FSD helped me find where to go when I could not see it plainly with my vision. The oops with finding the Supercharger was critical for me (but not safety critical) since I was arriving with a very low state of charge - 10 miles remaining and I was a little nervous having never had the battery that low in the 3 years I have owned my Model Y.
When I drive my partially self driving car, I find myself waiting for the car to make a mistake so I can correct it. A Tesla I drove, continued to slam the brakes on a winding freeway going through a mountain pass.
It'll be interesting to see if 12.4.2 that was released today fixes this issue. I usually run across click bait videos about FSD errors nowadays but this is legit and I hope you get more traction if the fix is not in by this version.
Definitely a known issue on the v12 branch. V11 had no issues with this route previously. Click bait is a real issue nowadays, didn’t want to overstep but needed to get this video seen. I’ll report back once I receive 12.4.2
Interesting video. I have a 2022 M3 LR. I drive 136 miles 1 way to work door to door with mixed city, highway and rural. It drives no hands zero interventions. Even through military check points (Fort Barfoot) aka Ft Pickett. It does a great job but it’s not perfect… Virginia highway 40 is read as the speed limit when it’s actually 55. Also the vehicles do not know the default speed limits in the various states for unmarked roads. Non of the issues I have cause accidents more of a small annoyance.
hmm it seems some signs still arent picked up reliably, the signs on the ground that say right turn only. i can see why it would make the mistake however. though i hope these issues will go away soon enough.
Agreed, definitely hope it gets fixed soon as this is a fairly recent issue at this intersection. If you noticed they also have the arrows hanging above the lanes to indicate which one should be used.
Impressive through the construction zone 👍 Love how in your version of "City Driving" you don't see much urban sprawl (compared with my perspective of urban sprawl from Hong Kong) 😊 That lane situation (3 separate lanes) is crazy! I assume when you are actually turning right, it does turn right? Have you turned right at that junction? 🧐 Thanks for doing these videos.
Majority of my drives are rather impressive. It's those few instances where I'm uncertain what will happen. I have not tried turning right at that intersection but will try it out next time I'm in the area. Thanks again for commenting and tuning into the channel!
@@Full_Self_Driven Here in Hong Kong, autonomous driving is illegal and autopilot is limited. However, I like to use AP but often other "city drivers" just cut me up!
The computer will never control the driving, it’s a driving assistant. You should never use cruise control because that allows the computer to be in control.
15:10 onwards. ; this actually isn't an issue in the european roads and ill tell you why. We usually have a square looking sign that summarise all the lanes ahead and its on the right sight of the road. Tesla could possibly be able to see the sign and switched lanes faster. I have seen your sings about lates they are above the road and a lil weird. If u stay in the right lane its easier for you to be overtaken safely and this isnt an issue. You should also have speed signs that reduce the speed near every turn.
I watched the almost crash scene a few times. The left lane marking on the street got some problems: one line leads up straight to the island delta. FSD may had been confused by it.
I’ve watched in slow motion over 10 times and I’m convinced the lane line markings are correct. The only line leading up to the island is the lines for the crosswalk.
*So with a Tesla I got to fight traffic and NOW the car too?!?!* GTFO... I'll wait for the "Really, Full-Self Driving, This Time we are NOT KIDDING, IT CAN DRIVE ITSELF" version of Tesla cars.
thats a hard no for me bub. no way i would ever trust that thing on a busy highway let alone a complex lane system in town. Hell, where I live, there are a lot of portions of the highway that are not painted. So how would it know where and when to change lanes?
Can you put a camera facing forward next to the sensing camera and upload a video. I’ve worked with this before. Have you ever gotten a windshield replacement or any type of repair to that mirror assembly or anything behind it. Also to note as someone who has never been in this intersection before there is poor visibility at least from the angle provided I can’t see the curb on either side Another note. It sees 3 directions of one way traffic instead of 2 lanes of oncoming and 1 lane for itself. Display switches the lines as you cross into the intersection. It’s very possible your vehicles camera needs a calibration or there is a defect in the glass on the windshield or defect in the mounting. This is an extremely sensitive sensor that simply removing and reinstalling it can mess with a calibration even if nothing was changed. Build quality of the vehicle combined with general misunderstanding of the system by service techs will lead to performance issues.
My car has never been in for service or had any windshield replacement. Maybe a simple recalibration of the cameras could fix it but it’s only ever been an issue at this intersection.
@@Full_Self_Driven so that’s a good thing! Okay then we can rule out a crappy job. Honestly I would start by trying to recalibrate it, again build quality on the vehicle historically hasn’t been great, but while they are doing the recal they can inspect for defects, it won’t rule out a glass defect those can be very hard to see with the naked eye. Always remember Tesla isn’t a veteran automaker, they are still brand new when you compare them to other manufacturers, eventually they will be as good as any other but you will have teething issues with them until they finally realize it. I went to one of the invite only order parties about a year before they launched the S, they only had the s and the roadster, to this day they haven’t launched it, people were putting money down 12 years ago…it is what it is, ev market would not be where it is without Tesla.
in my region, we have many this types of lane whereby sunddenly 3 lane into 2, 3 land into 1 lane or 4 lane into 2 lane. It is pretty dangerous for auto-drive.
Geeing that you're in the Atlanta metro, I'm curious as to see how it drives in downtown Atlanta at night, especially when it rains and on roads with no markings such as the downtown connector or other degrading streets
It was unusable in downtown when I tested it last year but the system has progressed a long way since. I’ll test it on a future video when it rains one night
People using that kind of system need to flood the report system with the same issue many times before anything to do with it is fixed. Sadly it's only really when a major crash or death happens due to the software that kicks them in the ass to fix things. Personally I wish 100% of the companies working on self driving cars would go open source for there driving code and map data. Things would be so much farther along if that were the case.
Full Self-driven cars shouldn't even be a thing. If an FSD car causes an accident, who will be held liable? People who don't know how to drive should not be allowed to drive or pilot a car.
i dont get self driving anyways, just get an uber if you dont want to drive? msot vehicles have really good lane assist nowdays to allow you to look away for a minute.
It’s mainly just to relieve stress and fatigue on road trips. Also is nice to be able to relax when I have an hour commute in bumper to bumper traffic.
That’s great! Unfortunately, majority of Tesla fleet is still on HW3. 12.5 still isn’t optimized for all the users on HW3. I drive it nearly everyday and it is still having trouble at this one intersection.
@5:37 don’t be an idiot. It clearly knew the speed of the approaching vehicle and realized getting in the lane would force that driver to apply breaks and being the fast lane would have been a d move. Wake up
If it clearly knew the speed then why did FSD initiate a lane change, get halfway over, then swerve back over into its initial path? The car should’ve stayed right where it was if it had any idea how fast the driver was going. You act like I told it to get over into the fast lane, when in reality the car was making the decisions.
Omg! Thats the worst ever and most scary FSD thing I've seen. The screen didnt even show the arrow. 🤯 One mistake like this and its all over. So dont trust these too much. Ever!
Definitely one of the sketchiest encounters using the system. We have had it drive straight towards curbs, run red lights, and even cross over double solid yellows around a blind curve. It’s no wonder people crash when they abuse FSD, it’s not meant to be anything more than a level 2 system.
I would never trust this car, but most of all this technology is just not good enough. Also it takes the fun out of driving. The day these cars are the only cars available to purchase then I’ll be finished with driving.
Try not to lane hog, been overtaken on both sides (in lane 3 for so long or 2 if your numbering them Backwards still) also changing lanes into Pepoles Blind spots isn't smart
Thank you for beta testing it so that we all can have safe autonomously driven vehicles in the future. You will look back one day and realize that you had a hand in saving millions of lives! 😀
why is it crazy to you the car doesnt know what to do. the car is a stupid tool. a humans processing power of the world around it is vastly more then the tesla will ever be. and to try to do it with camera's only is insane.
It’s crazy that the car knew what to do a few months back on a previous update with no intervention. Now all the sudden it’s forgotten how to maneuver this intersection. Vision only is definitely not the answer!
@@Full_Self_Driven its just like a cell phone update. Sometimes it introduces bugs. Its not sentient, just a dumb program. Thats why its never going to be released as a complete version. Too much liability for tesla.
You actually have to be _more_ on your toes than without self-driving, because you're essentially a driving instructor supervising a learner.
God damn thats a serious issue
Indeed. Hopefully they get this fixed before it causes an accident.
well at least they dont have to change the acronym. its just full self dying instead
What you see and what is shown on the screen is not what FSD sees. What is shown on the screen is close to what FSD sees in labeled 3D but projected in 2D. You have found a unique senario similar to Chuck Cook's unprotected left turn. First the approach to the "curb" is blind. The right turn lane turns into a cross walk in the intersection and ends in a wheelchair ramp eliminating the "curb" in the lane. The error here is primarily one of incorrect lane section and incorrect crosswalk design. It is not due to failure to recognize a curb since there is no curb in the lane of travel.
PS: "Supervised FSD" is just another way to say beta "full self-driving".
But it is clearly marked and signed as a right-turn only lane. All three lanes have good, clear marking and signage. Also, I bet that Google Maps directs drivers to the appropriate lane on approach to the intersection without issue.
I still think it was a serious mistake not using radar/LIDAR as the cameras can only see so much (a combo of both would be powerful) but they chosen cams only
You’re correct, it was a huge mistake switching to “vision” only.
don't think they will ever use lidar(unless government steps in and demands it on all self driving platforms). I do expect better cameras though, and maybe something
like millimeter wave radar pointed at curbs
To me it’s a feature before it’s time. One day you won’t need lidar etc. cameras will and could do it all. We just aren’t there yet.
Vision is the only path forward. Watch as full self driving becomes fully autonomous. Your welcome.
@@FlyWithTyy😅😅 you clearly don’t fully understand the principles of computer vision and autonomy
it’s been too many years, don’t trust it.
Exactly, I use extreme caution when using on unfamiliar roads.
I also don’t trust cars… it’s been way too many years… they might explode spontaneously
@@vvvprince9487 what a stupid statement, you just saw proof that it's still dangerous and you defend that ? By not using radar or lidar they are just making the code a lot more complicated than it should be allowing for more bugs. Imagine how good it would be if it had longer range and could natively see what's 3d and what's not instead of trying to figure it out with only cameras. You never saw a Waymo do what the Tesla did. This is just cheaping out, they could have used 3d sensors for now and figure how to do it with cameras in the background, instead they just make it dangerous and idiots like you still praise it.
It's been too many years since humans crashes. Therefore, I nvr trust human drivers and walk everyday
It's been too many years since human crashes. Don't trust human drivers, walk instead.
I work as a test driver for one of the world’s biggest OEMs doing autonomous research and development. This stuff is incredibly complex for a computer to handle. It might seem simple to most people but it’s actually amazing what these things can do on basic sensors. I get that it has been able to handle this before but I think people are really hard on these systems in general without knowing just how difficult this stuff is to do.
That makes complete sense. You're definitely correct, very complex stuff. it's just frustrating how it does it something correct 100x over and then forgets everything it knows.
People are right to expect high standards, since they are the ones that might be killed by these systems.
Acting like that's no biggie is crazy when you want to convince people to trust your system with their lives. It was clear from the start that anything below excellence is unacceptable in here.
@@loveyourword no one is expecting the customer to trust these systems yet. That’s why it’s supervised. You also sign a huge disclaimer when you first use it.
I get why tesla drivers are hard on the system when Elon have been saying since 2016 that the system is safe and fully functioning and robot taxis are the next big thing, I don't by Elon BS so I never belived it worked and now closing in to 10 years later the system is in a Beta state rather then Alpha and in another 10-15 it might work and be safe to use on public roads.
We need a neural net.
I got to your 15:22 bit, the stupid thing is the computer knows it's a right turn Lane only as it's showing it on the actual screen that it's a right only turn (and sees the curb) and it knows it can't go straight on but it's still goes straight on (until you forced it off to avoid the curb) that is really perplexing very strange why it's ignoring the road markings that it can clearly see on the display
It’s absolutely ridiculous how it knows what it’s supposed to do, or at least the computer displays the correct information but can’t comprehend.
@@Full_Self_Driven must be somthing els going on as that display is what FSD uses (loads of detailed information that isn't shown normally ) so confused why it's not using it, it's like somebody's added a database link to it that tells the computer to ignore its own information in front of it
tesla do push out junction/road rules for when the FSD isn't reading the junction correctly, so overrides FSD autopilot and directs it to take say the middle lane or correct incorrect phantom lanes that FSD just keeps on trying to change into
this looks like one of them Overrides where it's ignoring FSD director (it clearly knows it's in the wrong lane but it's staying in the right lane and ignoring the pavement it clearly can see, when it should be in middle lane (witch it clearly can see, it even sees the road markings)
To bad you don't have access to the detailed information that I see some of the other RUclipsrs use to see what FSD is doing
@@leexgx A lot in FSD is using AI thing based on statistical rules, From the situation you got I think that there is the Rule telling it is in the right lane, so the wrong lane for your path, but I think that there is a competing Rule telling him not to disengage of this lane, from the screen we can see it see the bump too late, maybe it "thought" it got 3 lanes after. I don't know if this is OK in your country to drive on right lane to go, but maybe the rules tells it it's OK, which in all case is not acceptable.
Computers are destroying us, especially the kids. But this looks like the beginning of the end😮
15:25 it was definitely going to wreck into that median. Thanks for waiting until the last minute to take over. I’d be too nervous letting it get that close!
Sure thing! My channel is all about documenting and demonstrating Tesla’s Full Self Driving.
My 2023 Nissan Altima has steering assist but I never would never trust a car to drive me without my hands on the wheel😊 I don’t care how good it is😊
The idea that human cognition and perception is way more complex than any computer with a bunch of cameras actually offends some people. They somehow want to believe that humans are simple, pathetic, the same as a mindless robot with cameras.
People just think everything is easy to solve. If you can teach a human you can teach a system. On top of that it's supposed to figure stuff out of thin air. Like in the joke where a guy gets into a cab and when asked where to go he replies with "my house, specifically living room".
People just do not comprehend how recognising the reality around them is not simple for a computer. And it's fuelled by scammers, charlatans, dubious marketing, misinformation and media false reporting news. Like Elon saying his cars can already be used as an autonomous cabs and openai is presenting chatgpt as almighty allknowing AI deity.
You turn the blinker on to indicate that you're changing lanes or avoiding obstructions in your lane. The software did what every driver should, but often doesn't.
15:11
What appears to be happening here, from a programming/sensor data analysis point of view is the different markings on the road are so close, the lines don’t have a clear Corner on some of the transitions where it looks like they overpainted part of it, there is a large crosswalk that’s left guide line is very close to the left guideline of the turning lane you’re in. I also think that the reason Teslas curb detection system doesn’t detect the curb is due to the unique slope gradient of that curbs corner. It likely deflects the radar signal at a weird trajectory and it causes the signal data to never get back to the Tesla.
This tesla doesn't have radar
@15:20 The display seems to prioritize the suspended traffic lights. At that moment it's not showing its prediction for the road ahead. In contrast @16:04 we see the traffic lights and the predicted route on the display.
Did you say what version of FSD you're using? I'm using version 12.3.6 and using the default settings I noticed how aggressive it was. I toned down the settings especially the one about minimal lane changing and I noticed a lot of the weird lane changing stuff stopped. So overall would you recommend FSD or not?
Normally I state the version at the beggining or at least in the description. Might have forgot to input the software number, this was 12.3.6. Normally i stick with normal mode but minimal lane change was not turned on for this drive. I would recommend FSD as long as someone is behind the wheel paying super close attention. The unexpected issues just need to be anticipated if the system is in use.
@@Full_Self_Driven I agree, you do have to pay very close attention. The one thing I really hate about it is Navigation does not have a setting to let you avoid highways like Google Maps does so it's always trying to force you onto the freeway. I think I'm going to pay the $99 for one more month to see if they send me version 12.14.2 or 3 so I can test that out. If not I think I will cancel it.
@@lashlarue59not being able to avoid highways has been my biggest gripe with FSD. I saw on not a tesla app that this feature will soon be added. Luckily, I had 3 family members who used my referral, which allowed me to use FSD free for almost a year.
@@Zach95 That is good news that they are adding that feature but I do have a work around. Basically go to Google Maps and set up your trip with the stuff you want to avoid then export that route to the Tesla app. Then the route with the proper avoid stuff will appear on the car and FSD will use it. If you want the exact steps let me know.
@@lashlarue59I would like the exact steps. Thank you
It’s a good thing they finished that area on 285 you were riding on. I travel this same area just about every day! The back roads are still full of potholes!
2:31 " I don't need any holes" are you sure about that?
Your time stamp needs to be edited. I have no idea what you’re referring to…
Holes are goals! 🕳️
Your vocal fry is ridiculous and annoying to listen to.
Great video.
Which HUD are you using?? Thank you.
S3XY Button Dashboard App
Interesting to a non-tesla driver. Do you think now they are out of beta they will have to do a "long term" branch where they just iron out mapping and minor bug fixes, and another branch latest features ?
I'm not exactly sure. We've now been out of beta for almost 3 months and they've sent out over 5 new updates. Not much has changed since graduating from beta to supervised. Hoping to see some fixes for the known issues in my area but I've already been waiting quite some time.
Yeah my 2024 Toyota misses every turn every time. You’d think Toyota would fix the problem by now.
I just got mine ,and I know that you can make it change lanes by using the turn signal lever.
First time on my condo, it was going to pass at normal speed over a speed bump ,I had to break ..
Next time it learned that there was a speed bump and reduced.
I'm not sure if it learns or simply had better vision the second time.
Okay, so three things.
First, thank you so much for this. I don't own a Tesla nor do I intend to buy one, but I consider it exceptionally important to know what other drivers on the road might do, especially Tesla drivers who put on full self driving mode and just go to sleep. Apparently Tesla patched that, but people in my area of Southern California have apparently figured out a work around as we see them sleeping all the time. Very scarry stuff.
2nd, that near miss at around the 15:00 minute mark was absolutely insane.
3rd, if you do have full self driving enabled, do you have any tips to allert a sleeping driver that they are approaching an area that they may want to be awake for. Honking horns tends to scare people...do you have any kind of better idea?
Seriously, thank you for this series.
Thank you very much for taking the time to comment!
FSD is a work in progress. Ultimately it will be safer than any human driver and will save countless lives. I can’t wait for that to happen!
Complaining that FSD is is not perfect yet is like being mad at a two year old child for not being more grown up.
Thanks for doing this testing and help to improve it.
Thank you for your feedback, it only helps us grow the channel.
I’m sorry if I came across as complaining, was merely pointing out the fact that FSD did this intersection perfectly 100% of the time for two years. Not until v12 released months back did this issue start occurring.
If other cars are around the car still aggressively drives through the intersection in the wrong lane. This is a major safety concern which needs to be addressed.
@@Full_Self_DrivenThat's a good point. Software like FSD should have consistency between versions. Users should not be reading patch/update notes for a feature built in to the car and that has worked for quite a while.
thanks for sharing it!
No problem, thank you for tuning into the channel!
The Apollo guidance computer had a whopping 36k of ROM and 2K of RAM. It got 27 astronauts to the Moon and back without killing anybody, and without any accidents. All of Elon's Dojo computers and Gigatech can't navigate fully mapped streets.
Don't forget, Apollo 12 flew 240,000 miles to the Moon and its LEM landed within 300 ft of its target, the unmanned surveyor probe. Not bad for 36k of ROM and 2K of RAM using inertial navigation and star fixes. No road maps no GPS.
That's absolutely insane when you think about it with that context. Tesla's been at it for years, it feels the last few months the system has gotten gradually worse.
You have minutes, hours or days in space to make a turn.
Apollo war Hollywood ;)
@@MarcusWilke1978 What the Hell does that mean?
@@elektron2kim666 Listen up, Sparky. If the Apollo guidance computer screws up you either crash into the Moon or miss and go hurtling off into the solar system.
Great video, thanks for sharing your trips
What attack mode is it in? Aggressive or calm?
Love the phone tacked in front, that's awesome. I'll have to subscribe now.
Aggressive was selected in this drive. I've tried all 3 driving modes, unfortunately it doesn't make a difference.
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I just came back from about 1000 miles of driving over 3 days with V12.3.6 on a mix of city, suburban, rural and interstate driving. I had two times that I needed to intervene for safety (both in confusing construction zones at night) and once when it was going to turn into the wrong driveway for the Supercharger station. FSD suggested that I change driver profile from Chill to Average which seemed to improve lane change behavior -- changing lanes when appropriate (mostly) and when requested by me. I used it at night and during the day both in areas that I was familiar with and in areas that were unfamiliar. At night, in unfamiliar areas, FSD helped me find where to go when I could not see it plainly with my vision. The oops with finding the Supercharger was critical for me (but not safety critical) since I was arriving with a very low state of charge - 10 miles remaining and I was a little nervous having never had the battery that low in the 3 years I have owned my Model Y.
I've also had it change lanes withoutt signaling
That is a known issue, my biggest concern right now is when it has no confidence in its lane change selection.
When I drive my partially self driving car, I find myself waiting for the car to make a mistake so I can correct it. A Tesla I drove, continued to slam the brakes on a winding freeway going through a mountain pass.
It'll be interesting to see if 12.4.2 that was released today fixes this issue. I usually run across click bait videos about FSD errors nowadays but this is legit and I hope you get more traction if the fix is not in by this version.
Definitely a known issue on the v12 branch. V11 had no issues with this route previously. Click bait is a real issue nowadays, didn’t want to overstep but needed to get this video seen. I’ll report back once I receive 12.4.2
little bit straight ahead on the right, Brazilian cuisine, I’ll have meeting you 😅
Insane semi truck driver around @7:30 Passing everyone doing 70 in a 55 in the fast lane...
Around Georgia they speed because they don't have to fight any real elevation. Had one driving 85 in front of me the other day, it's absolutely nuts!
I like the fact that it stuck to the speed limit
Interesting video. I have a 2022 M3 LR. I drive 136 miles 1 way to work door to door with mixed city, highway and rural. It drives no hands zero interventions. Even through military check points (Fort Barfoot) aka Ft Pickett.
It does a great job but it’s not perfect… Virginia highway 40 is read as the speed limit when it’s actually 55. Also the vehicles do not know the default speed limits in the various states for unmarked roads.
Non of the issues I have cause accidents more of a small annoyance.
😂 That ‘steering wheel’ is a no-go already.
It's incredibly impractical.
hmm it seems some signs still arent picked up reliably, the signs on the ground that say right turn only. i can see why it would make the mistake however. though i hope these issues will go away soon enough.
Agreed, definitely hope it gets fixed soon as this is a fairly recent issue at this intersection. If you noticed they also have the arrows hanging above the lanes to indicate which one should be used.
Impressive through the construction zone 👍
Love how in your version of "City Driving" you don't see much urban sprawl (compared with my perspective of urban sprawl from Hong Kong) 😊
That lane situation (3 separate lanes) is crazy! I assume when you are actually turning right, it does turn right? Have you turned right at that junction? 🧐
Thanks for doing these videos.
Majority of my drives are rather impressive. It's those few instances where I'm uncertain what will happen. I have not tried turning right at that intersection but will try it out next time I'm in the area. Thanks again for commenting and tuning into the channel!
@@Full_Self_Driven Here in Hong Kong, autonomous driving is illegal and autopilot is limited. However, I like to use AP but often other "city drivers" just cut me up!
haha, I'm never giving a computer control over my driving.
The computer will never control the driving, it’s a driving assistant. You should never use cruise control because that allows the computer to be in control.
@@Full_Self_Driven I don't
15:10 onwards. ; this actually isn't an issue in the european roads and ill tell you why. We usually have a square looking sign that summarise all the lanes ahead and its on the right sight of the road. Tesla could possibly be able to see the sign and switched lanes faster. I have seen your sings about lates they are above the road and a lil weird. If u stay in the right lane its easier for you to be overtaken safely and this isnt an issue. You should also have speed signs that reduce the speed near every turn.
1:21 devil's advocate, but you DID make it go over a double yellow...
Insane. Tesla supervised driving isn't ready
This week I've encountered way too many close calls with this version.
I watched the almost crash scene a few times. The left lane marking on the street got some problems: one line leads up straight to the island delta. FSD may had been confused by it.
I’ve watched in slow motion over 10 times and I’m convinced the lane line markings are correct. The only line leading up to the island is the lines for the crosswalk.
*So with a Tesla I got to fight traffic and NOW the car too?!?!*
GTFO...
I'll wait for the "Really, Full-Self Driving, This Time we are NOT KIDDING, IT CAN DRIVE ITSELF"
version of Tesla cars.
thats a hard no for me bub. no way i would ever trust that thing on a busy highway let alone a complex lane system in town. Hell, where I live, there are a lot of portions of the highway that are not painted. So how would it know where and when to change lanes?
Trusting self-driving through Spaghetti Junction and 285 is nerve wracking 😅
You said it!
What version is this?
v12.3.6
Can you put a camera facing forward next to the sensing camera and upload a video. I’ve worked with this before. Have you ever gotten a windshield replacement or any type of repair to that mirror assembly or anything behind it.
Also to note as someone who has never been in this intersection before there is poor visibility at least from the angle provided I can’t see the curb on either side
Another note. It sees 3 directions of one way traffic instead of 2 lanes of oncoming and 1 lane for itself. Display switches the lines as you cross into the intersection.
It’s very possible your vehicles camera needs a calibration or there is a defect in the glass on the windshield or defect in the mounting. This is an extremely sensitive sensor that simply removing and reinstalling it can mess with a calibration even if nothing was changed. Build quality of the vehicle combined with general misunderstanding of the system by service techs will lead to performance issues.
My car has never been in for service or had any windshield replacement. Maybe a simple recalibration of the cameras could fix it but it’s only ever been an issue at this intersection.
@@Full_Self_Driven so that’s a good thing! Okay then we can rule out a crappy job. Honestly I would start by trying to recalibrate it, again build quality on the vehicle historically hasn’t been great, but while they are doing the recal they can inspect for defects, it won’t rule out a glass defect those can be very hard to see with the naked eye. Always remember Tesla isn’t a veteran automaker, they are still brand new when you compare them to other manufacturers, eventually they will be as good as any other but you will have teething issues with them until they finally realize it. I went to one of the invite only order parties about a year before they launched the S, they only had the s and the roadster, to this day they haven’t launched it, people were putting money down 12 years ago…it is what it is, ev market would not be where it is without Tesla.
in my region, we have many this types of lane whereby sunddenly 3 lane into 2, 3 land into 1 lane or 4 lane into 2 lane. It is pretty dangerous for auto-drive.
Just to think that full self-driving used to be a bunch of if-then statements. Lol
I like Toyota’s Safety Sense features on their vehicles. I don’t trust a computer to drive full time only part time.
Did you try that turn in the latest version yet? That's a really bad mistake.
Geeing that you're in the Atlanta metro, I'm curious as to see how it drives in downtown Atlanta at night, especially when it rains and on roads with no markings such as the downtown connector or other degrading streets
It was unusable in downtown when I tested it last year but the system has progressed a long way since. I’ll test it on a future video when it rains one night
Can you imagine one in the UK ? That is an accident waiting to happen
Yeah, there’s no way I could trust it.
Maybe it's having "wait" commands or "for" loops in the main code loop.
It’s quite possible
yep, imma stick to self driving and stay aware
People using that kind of system need to flood the report system with the same issue many times before anything to do with it is fixed. Sadly it's only really when a major crash or death happens due to the software that kicks them in the ass to fix things. Personally I wish 100% of the companies working on self driving cars would go open source for there driving code and map data. Things would be so much farther along if that were the case.
Full Self-driven cars shouldn't even be a thing. If an FSD car causes an accident, who will be held liable? People who don't know how to drive should not be allowed to drive or pilot a car.
The insurance company. Like always.
Dude rolls up right in Marietta, Georgia!
Yessir, we’re based in Atlanta, Georgia!
i dont get self driving anyways, just get an uber if you dont want to drive? msot vehicles have really good lane assist nowdays to allow you to look away for a minute.
It’s mainly just to relieve stress and fatigue on road trips. Also is nice to be able to relax when I have an hour commute in bumper to bumper traffic.
It is soooo loud inside the cabin at highway speeds!
Hey I drove the same way a week ago with 12.5.1.3 and works fine!
That’s great! Unfortunately, majority of Tesla fleet is still on HW3. 12.5 still isn’t optimized for all the users on HW3. I drive it nearly everyday and it is still having trouble at this one intersection.
@@Full_Self_Driven if you ever get a fully fledged 12.5.x would really like to see another video
@@Full_Self_Driven Check again, It should be released now for HW3
Why is there so much road noise? Is it a concrete road?
@5:37 don’t be an idiot. It clearly knew the speed of the approaching vehicle and realized getting in the lane would force that driver to apply breaks and being the fast lane would have been a d move. Wake up
If it clearly knew the speed then why did FSD initiate a lane change, get halfway over, then swerve back over into its initial path? The car should’ve stayed right where it was if it had any idea how fast the driver was going. You act like I told it to get over into the fast lane, when in reality the car was making the decisions.
They have the self driving cars just riding around Atlanta.
I’m in Atlanta, unfortunately those cars still have drivers mapping the area. Soon we will see the cars driving by themselves.
If I were Tesla software engineers, I'd be very interested in this.
How can they wide release this to everyone with this kind of shit 🤦🏼♀️
Seemed to do so well at first glance. Then I realized later in the video what you meant 😂
This update has had major problems. I’m hoping 12.4.2 fixes a lot of these know issues
Elon abandoned the lidar sensors for absolutely no reason (probably just cost savings) and auto pilot has basically been doomed since then
Lol. It was a reason, and lidar won't help with that issue. Real world artificial intelligence will.
Probably, if a car with AI (not only tesla , all the others) cannot pass an intersection properly, maybe we should consider this bad design?
What app for the phone and what stand?
turning left on double yellow lines?
Did you almost hit a bird at 17:30?
I had to go back and watch again but you’re right. It did nearly clip that bird!
good job
So create a report on the issue and it’ll get patched…..
Omg! Thats the worst ever and most scary FSD thing I've seen. The screen didnt even show the arrow. 🤯
One mistake like this and its all over. So dont trust these too much. Ever!
Definitely one of the sketchiest encounters using the system. We have had it drive straight towards curbs, run red lights, and even cross over double solid yellows around a blind curve. It’s no wonder people crash when they abuse FSD, it’s not meant to be anything more than a level 2 system.
woah
It’s definitely a sight to see!
15:04 the far right lane - Elon approved 😅
It's lane discipline is as bad as the humans in that clip.
No wonder you need such wide roads.
This is why you don’t buy moving microwave
A found it cheap at a yard sale. It gets the job done!
The gps is saying that’s the way to go though 🤔
I would never trust this car, but most of all this technology is just not good enough. Also it takes the fun out of driving. The day these cars are the only cars available to purchase then I’ll be finished with driving.
Caches all the green lights tho
How do you get this on your phone 😳😳😳
Should not be used in public honestly.
Agreed. Only here to demonstrate the system as it appears today. Tanks for taking the time to comment.
You really think any trashball Tesla owner doesn't drive like this. Well I should say let their trash car drive itself like this...
Thanks for helping improve the software, for, as we know, it's not perfect yet. Just work on your attitude a lil more and you will be a great helper.
Thanks for your feedback and tip regarding my attitude. I’m working on it. Thanks again for tuning into the channel!
Try not to lane hog, been overtaken on both sides (in lane 3 for so long or 2 if your numbering them Backwards still) also changing lanes into Pepoles Blind spots isn't smart
Very true, I need to not get so caught up in my thoughts and stay to the far right when I’m the slower vehicle.
Version 12.3.6
The software version should be mentioned.
v12.3.6 is the version of FSD. I thought i put it in the description but must've forgot. Thank you for pointing out!
1:37 HW3 ist überfordert.
HW3 is unfortunately not the best with certain situations.
Thank you for beta testing it so that we all can have safe autonomously driven vehicles in the future.
You will look back one day and realize that you had a hand in saving millions of lives! 😀
Only four negative Nannies so far. Wow that's even impressive. I'm sick of hearing from them same thing over and over. So dumb.
Agreed, these trolls are everywhere. Thanks for commenting and tuning into the channel!
Wow. I Guess I'm in the land of the believers, but I can't believe anyone would be so stupid as to trust their life to a computer.
Do you trust your life driving in public with the unpredictable around any corner? Stay away from the AI vehicles
Cue the Tesla apologist fan boy delusion.
why is it crazy to you the car doesnt know what to do. the car is a stupid tool. a humans processing power of the world around it is vastly more then the tesla will ever be. and to try to do it with camera's only is insane.
It’s crazy that the car knew what to do a few months back on a previous update with no intervention. Now all the sudden it’s forgotten how to maneuver this intersection. Vision only is definitely not the answer!
@@Full_Self_Driven its just like a cell phone update. Sometimes it introduces bugs. Its not sentient, just a dumb program. Thats why its never going to be released as a complete version. Too much liability for tesla.
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Are you really griping about the technology ? You do understand technology takes time and a great deal of trial and error
That interior looks as ugly as it can be
The interior matches that ugly, stupid and dangerous steering wheel.
You've got no idea!
@@1225KPH Only way i could get a Tesla was with this idiotic wheel
@@1225KPH at least it has turn signal lever,now tesla decide it is to expensive to have it ,also phone as dashboard scream so premium
Yes, no turn signal was the dumbest idea yet!
I have the same issue
Hope this gets resolved