Even if they were the police, it's still a bad idea to allow the police to look through all of your data for no reason. We don't want to become like the CCP.
No, there's nothing nailed. That adobe's take is just an excuse. It drives attention away from actual subject by providing random "reason" why they can in theory do it. In fact they just abusively want user data. There is no need to discuss excuses for that, crime is the thing itself.
@@5poolcatrush you seem to be ignoring the plain and simple fact that they already had and continue to have access to every project, and all assets, in their cloud-enabled apps. They were just harvesting all this data off the books. Now they want to use the data to train AI that they intend to sell access to, so they need to make the invasion of privacy and theft a part of company policy. These changes to the terms reflect changes from years ago. Back before the cloud services, to when Adobe would harvest information from your PC whenever you ran an update, and they started adding fingerprints to assets created in by their products so law enforcement could track them.
The law has changed recently, this requires hosts to have appropriate systems to ensure that they do not host or enable sharing of illegal content, they are not the police but are legally obliged to check content they host the same as everyone else. This has been handled really poorly by them but everyone does and has to do this. It's that it appears to let them go beyond that which is the worry.
Adobe froze one of my photos in Lightroom. It was a photo of a sculpture of an angel publically visible outside a business. There was nothing obscene about it, but when I saw the photo was locked, I knew what was going on. Some days later the lock was removed without them saying anything. So you know they had some AI jump to a conclusion and flag it for review. So this is already happening guys.
And exactly why i never bought a subscription. Clearly a powerplay and i wasn't having it. I was still saving up to by ps and ae when they went "cloud" but to me it was just fog. Their marketing for it was obvious bs
I second that. I believe it to be a common part of human culture. However, people are overwhelmed by too much information, opinions, and we all need a little help. We struggle to deny ourselves the few pleasures we in life because someone decided to be greedy. It's very possible to mend our society, but it takes significant resistance to our short-term goals in lieu of long-term benefit and stability.
If Adobe has invested millions in the infrastructure to scan billions of user images, then damn right they have figured out a way to monitize our images. They are just not telling us. And by the way, it has nothing to do with protecting children.
But please think of the children! We have to affect our lifestyle and everything to protect them! is not their parents fault that they leave their kids unattended with a phone and access to the internet! /s
@@teresashinkansen9402 Unlike social media where every one can see what you share, Adobe is a tool for work, so the work is only availabe for you alone. There 's no reason for them to moderator what I do on my Adobe tool, other than stealing data to train their AI, of course.
@@teresashinkansen9402 What you talking about? Its two different things. What have in common someone peaking on your work and protect your kids from using internet. Pathetic
They already lost a bunch of our trust. But the creative community keeps paying. It seems more like Stockholm syndrome to me. I think, Adobe can do whatever they want, the creative community won’t leave anytime soon.
@@annynmatheson5089 I dropped Adobe products for video and audio editing years ago. I only use Lightroom and Photoshop these days and now I'm looking for alternatives for them. Adobe have great products, but the privacy rights really do matter to me - as a member of the "creative community".
I’ve been a devout Adobe user for 40 years. I’m considering canceling my subscription and finding alternative solutions. This crap has to stop and we need to be the ones who help do it.
Serif has a 50% sale on their Affinity programs right now. Perpetual Licenses, no subscriptions, no cloud services ... and a code base that is fresh and not 1200 years old like Adobe's.
What would you do with your dng files, if you convert to that? What other options are there? I have a few days until my year ends, so I have to figure this out pretty quickly.
Affinity Designer is a really good alternative to Fireworks. I've not used their photo editing suite, but I'd check them out. Old Macromedia user, and Adobe can go die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.
Affinity looks to be a pretty good alternative to a lot of Adobe options at a much better price. I also use Clip Studio Paint for my digital art and it is better than Photoshop in many ways in my opinion, at least for digital art. I'm not a photographer myself. Even before I cancelled Illustrator, I used Inkscape for its vector tracing, which is much better than Illustrator for that feature.
@@L.SpencerI use Capture One for my photo editing which allows use of DNG format. Also, you can buy this software as a one off, no ongoing subscription needed. I purposely avoided buying in Lightroom for these reasons alone.
This is what happens in a world where corporations have gaslit us into believing they can just change terms and conditions whenever and however they see fit, and your only recourse is to stop using the product you purchased from them. Until we enforce that any change in EULA or terms/conditions necessitates automatic right to full refund to anyone who purchased the product/service/software, they will continue to just vaguely put what they want in these things to their benefit and our detriment.
Adobe: "You are renting our software. If you don't like the Eula you are free to leave. Oh, but if you do please remember access to your old projects is also owned by us."
If product is paid, there shall not be any other ways of charges like collecting personal data and analzying user's stuff. I have already paid for the product by money, you cant take anything else consciencefully. Problem is it is not just adobe its every company today.. Majority of people reads personal data as ethereal concept and companies just try to expand borders of their abusive practices as far as they can by trial and error. I am very glad that author mentioned monopoly too. I am 100% sure that monopolies should comply to general laws that apply to government like no censorship unreated if it is a private company or not. People are hooked to use it and there is no alternative - that must not legitimize such abuse. Microsoft, google, instagram, twitter and almost every service today abuses this thing because if someone will quit it he will be socially incomplete so he won't.
It's a start to work locally, but in the end an application you install on your machine will have the power to scan stuff, give remote access once your machine is online and much more. It's a problem we need to fix in our society and in our free market. Nothing we can fix technically.
"Content....that you upload, import into, ...or create using the services and software." To me that also means all the data on your own computers. It's not just on the "cloud".
@@abandonedcranium6592 So true. Lightroom Classic (the desktop application without cloud) is affected, too. The moment you import stuff into the Lr catalog, Adobe reserves the right to look into it, be it an AI using your own CPU/GPU power, upload stuff to their domain or just open a backdoor so someone can look into it remotely.
@@buckturgidson9666 I still use my old disk version of CS4 due to exactly what you are talking about. Thankfully like with Microsoft, you can change the IP address the program uses to report to Adobe in the Windows host file. Every time I load up new software I make sure the addresses to a unused IP. I suffered a stalker years ago, I will not put up with a company adopting my old stalkers warped and sociopathic tactics. This is no different than a home invasion.
So if your original photos, catalogs, etc are indeed on your local drive and NOT adobe's cloud, will that limit their ability to access it? (i.e. will they still have access?)
this is my final straw with Adobe. You’re telling me I am forced to RENT a TOOL on a fairly monopolized software company and NOW they are breaching my privacy and ownership?! Absolutely unacceptable. This is after months of in-app ads shoving Ai down my throat. I’m so fed up.
In the USA the government can ask about any information on servers in the USA. It's the main reason why you should never hoast a website with servers outside of your country.
Totally unacceptable, Adobe. We work for clients and they assume that (unpublished, work-in-progress) information is private. You are no longer a trustworthy professional platform.
@@JT_1 You don't seem to understand what paranoia is. Paranoia is when you falsely believe they are spying on you. When a fucked up company admits that they are actually spying on you, it stops being paranoia.
@@JT_1 Paranoid would imply delusional suspicion. There is no delusion, and suspicion, it is plain facts, Adobe is not trust worthy. I am thankful I started with Gimp and Darktable, and never used Adobe product unless at a workspace where I had no choice.. ie none of my work has ever touched Adobe products. Happy to see Adobe cutting it's own neck and looking forward to a smarter more awake group of future artists to make us outside the box kids feel less lonely.
I could go to jail because of this, and I am just doing my job. In the past I have shot assignments in military installations, the Australian Prime Minister’s residence and the Reserve Bank, amongst others. To do this I had to sign anti-disclosure agreements that, if broken, could put me in jail for up to 25 years. I got to do these shoots because I would NEVER reveal government secrets. It seems like I have just, potentially broken that agreement, courtesy of Adobe. Every part of this is concerning and very well presented, as always Tony. Like you, Adobe has been the centre of my decades long career, and I had little option but to use their software. Having said that, I stayed away from Adobe cloud for as long as I could. Luckily all of that sensitive stuff was shot before they got their hands on my work. As you have made clear, this should be deemed illegal, and has to be banned!
@@L.Spencer I have the full Affinity suite and Photo is 90% there, Designer (Illustrator) is 100% there and Publisher (inDesign) is amazing (not that I do much work in that).
Dropped Adobe 4 years ago. Extremely glad I did. Their pricing got out of control, and now their lack of concern for privacy and ethics is out of control.
@@wesyoung7980 Affinity, Capture One, On1, Davinci Resolve, Final Cut Pro, etc. Are they as good as Adobe? Depends on your usage and opinion. And let's say for argument's sake they're only 90-95% as good as Adobe products. Many people willingly choose to sacrifice that 5-10% so they don't have to dwell in the Adobe universe.
@@craigburton4447 any better option offered by the world?. or we gives this idea to chinese to create a better and inexpensive graphic software product?
Every year it gets harder to justify my renewal subscription to Lightroom / Photoshop. The tools are fine but I am feeling increasingly distant from Adobe who seem interested in destroying our industry. They are not our friends.
Using AI to replace photographers was a business choice. So they can reap the after effects of that decision. Oh. I won’t renew After Effects now either. Or photoshop. Or Lightroom. I gave up on Premiere years ago and went to Resolve.
Lost me today. I just cancelled it by transferring my payment to an expired credit card so they can't penalize me for the cancelation. Take that clown company.
I’m not a professional in the strict sense of the term. I use Adobe because I have the money but often ask myself, can I justify this. It’s relatively expensive for a keen amatuer. This has motivated me to change brands purely on a matter of principle. I survived before Adobe, I’ll survey after.
None of these do what Lightroom or Photoshop does. As annoying as Adobe is, they have no competition at the moment. I’ve used Affinity for a long time but it’s not getting any better and getting bought by Canva won’t help.
In the film industry, maintaining the confidentiality of movie assets such as raw footage, unfinished movies, and promotional materials like posters is critical. The unauthorized release of such materials can have a significant impact on marketing strategies, copyright control, and overall revenues. In cases where there is a data leak, the source of the leak is often investigated thoroughly. If the leak can be traced back to a specific individual who negligently or intentionally compromised the security protocols, that person could indeed face serious consequences. Even with user consent and transparency, the presence of features that allow a software provider like Adobe to check in on users' projects can be concerning, especially for professionals working with sensitive or confidential content. This is particularly relevant in industries like film, graphic design, and advertising, where projects often have strict non-disclosure agreements and release schedules. - This is absolutly insane.
PSA: Affinity Photo, Designer and Publisher still are a one time-only purchase. Same with Blackmagic Design DaVinci Resolve Studio which is getting mostly better each year.
Joe Christina has done a series a few years back now "Life after Adobe", there are many very good products one could use instead of anything from Adobe.
2 days ago I was thinking about renewing my CC subscription... Then I saw Lous Rossmans video. Now I see this video... I want to use Adobe products because there is no real substitute for the whole suite. But now I will do everything that I can to find alternatives because Adobe is going in a direction that can't be changed easily. This is psychotic behaviour. If a person behaved like this nobody would want to do anything with them.
I use DaVinci for my videos now (I even prefer it, not just because I don't want ot use Adobe), but there isn't an alternative to Photoshop unfortunately.
@@williamshakespeare9815 I use Davinci also. Better solution than Premier. I've managed to ditch all but Lightroom and Photoshop and I'm looking at options now after this last EULA update.
This is absolutely disgusting!!! It is an invasion of peoples' privacy. This needs to stop immediately. They may have industry standard products, but with behaviour like this they may see a massive swing away from them (and they deserve to). Seriously in what world does a team of senior executives from any company think this is OK?? I will be seeking alternative products, this is an absolute disgrace!!!
“Hey maybe while you guys are in everyone’s private data hunting for PDF files, you can figure out why your PDF reader still takes half a dog’s life to load. If I gave birth to a newborn baby while opening Adobe Acrobat, by the time it finally got to my plain text document that baby would be old enough to get turned down by Leonardo DiCaprio.” -Big Money Salvia
I have switched completely in 2018 and I am really proud as a graphics designer, illustrator and photographer to be Adobe independent ever since. I mostly use Affinity, sometimes Photomator, Davinci etc.
Many of you will be too young to remember when QuarkXPress had a monopoly on the publishing industry. (Ironically till Adobe InDesign came along.) Express was completely entrenched in the publising workflows but we said enough is enough and the world shifted. It took time but it happened. Don't belive we can't move from one set of tools to another. We have in the past and we can now.
@@designobservatory there are products like Capture One for ingestion and Affinity and other photo tools. But none with the amazing integration and certainly none with the complex layering, training programs and RUclips support. There aren’t inexpensive options for After Effects though. And numerous other apps.
uhhhh.... have you heard of the INTERNET? There are literally hundreds of options, some even better and even free. F this fascist bs. You USE Adobe....NOT the other way around. Switch!
Imagine someone secretly looking at the photos of your naked children in the bathroom - on the grounds that they want to prevent perverts from looking at photos of naked children. The irony. And you even pay them to do it.
They aren't looking at them, they are using them to train their generative ai (and cover their butts) and worse. 4.2 Licenses to Your Content. Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, you grant us a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free sublicensable, license, to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify, create derivative works based on, publicly perform, and translate the Content. For example, we may sublicense our right to the Content to our service providers or to other users to allow the Services and Software to operate as intended, such as enabling you to share photos with others. Separately, section 4.6 (Feedback) below covers any Feedback that you provide to us.
@@jichaelmorgan3796 well, at least from having your files being used for training their AI model it's easy to opt out in the privacy settings. But still everything else is a total licensing shit show
This kind of unaccountable, secretive corporate surveillance should be totally illegal - and we need robust security tools to make it impossible for companies like this to invade our privacy, without getting caught in the attempt. But don't hold your breath waiting for such an unlikely privacy revolution. If you have to use Photoshop, just disconnect from the internet when working with sensitive images. That means you can't use AI tools that process your data on Adobe's servers... But hey, we've managed without them for a long time.
I agree, Adobe should be only data processor, provide compute resources, doing filter and AI and after the fact forget data. They just want to leverage our data for making more money, so they will try. But all cloud companies are doing that.
Forty years ago the federal government would have come after Adobe or anyone else for doing what they are doing, but since then corporations and the wealthy have gained a stranglehold on the government and now corporations can do almost anything they want. Also, if Adobe has a crap ton of private data on you and me then the government can get access to that without our consent and the corporations are not permitted to tell their customers that the government demanded your data. All of this provides a buffet of possibilities for hackers and scammers and nation state actors, where ever they are and for what ever reason!
Someone in marketing saw a network diagram... with "Internet" being a cloud... the nebulous, undefined space... and decided to start marking their internet-based service as "cloud" and sadly, it is grown... and marketing people think "everything" should be cloud, sadly.
@@LiquidTurbo On each smart a...s in the big corp, there are literally millions anty smart a...ses like us to teach the a lesson😊 My antivirus after purchase and installation of the latest Lr and Ps start giving me Trojan warnings every 15min, process is run under Adobe... fully scanned the PC and it found some .tmp files and some Adobe folder located files, just killed them all, blocked all Adobe related in and out in the Fire Wall, no more warnings, and all adobe product are runnig ok without issues... Let's see how they spy on me now😅😅😅 After installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out😊 If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go alternative products like SkyLume, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊
Adobe sucks as a company, between shutting down license servers for old products and making them unusable and their anti-consumer subscription models and now this. I honestly don't think Adobe should exist on this planet. These predatory license and TOS updates without concent should be illegal. Changing the terms after a sale is not OK.
This is why I never got into adobe's clutches. I am just a small creator using software mainly for personal photos but once in a while for commercial work. But Adobe is not my product of choice as I hear more and more about them.
I'm apparently (and thankfully) out of the Adobe loop. So now you can't activate older, legit copies of the CS? I have 6 or maybe it's 5.5 installed; I can no longer active it if I change computers?
This is unacceptable. Thank you Tony for making this videos. I'm going to go to a different platform for photo editing. I've had enough of this corporate crap.
I work for one of the world’s largest marketing and content agencies. There is no way this doesn’t breach our customers contracts with us… How are we supposed to continue using Adobe products with this in place?
@@Beauty.and.FashionPhotographer well that’s a dumb thing to say, we don’t have to agree to their terms and conditions. The only way to put pressure on them would be to vote with your wallet and use a different program
There are replacements. If a major corperation went to a few of the opensource alternatives and said "we'll make donations of half what we pay adobe every year but we need ##### to work", they'd have the fund to supprise the hell out of you. And I [think] it would be tax deductable. And if you get Is nervous about what its doing hire a third party programmer to look at the code.
Tony, I'm glad you did this video. It is a wake up call! I built my business around Adobe, just as you said. Makes me keep my eyes open for an alternative. Hopefully Adobe hears us and watches your video. They should know that we're appalled!
kinda passed that point a year of two ago. Infact the dabbling in AI tools was the security droid choking us out on the beach. We're Kassian Andor and the paramedic just let slip that NO ONE ever finishes their sentence. If we want to leave alive its riot time. NOW.
Good use of your platform Tony to speak out against this massive overreach. We're kind of conditioned to these antics while using free ad based platforms, but not with paid platforms. Adobe just wants/needs/lusts for everyone's data so desperately to train their AI, and then resell AI generated content back to its users.
@@bubbles581 My advice is always calling them, the workers most often will make it possible to cancel without the fee. You can say that you want to "change plan" and just not change to a new one. Also if you pay by credit card, just cancel the credit card and see whats going on.
Well, after installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out... If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go to сrасked product, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊 Or use SkyLume for the simple edits😊
Hah my antivirus after purchase and installation of the latest Lr and Ps start giving me Trojan warnings every 15min, process is run under Adobe... fully scanned the PC and it found some .tmp files and some Adobe folder located files, just killed them all, blocked all Adobe related in and out in the Fire Wall, no more warnings, and all adobe product are runnig ok without issues... Let's see how they spy on me now😅😅😅 After installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out😊 If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go alternative products like SkyLume, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊
"In October 2013, Adobe, a leading software company known for products like Photoshop and Acrobat Reader, announced a massive security breach. " Up until now technology has only really allowed for massive data hacks to extract simple lines of data; name,personal information, account number..as a text file. If Adobe is serious about this it would have to eliminate 'false positive flags' by keeping at least thumbnails attached to the usual text...And we are not that far away from a data hack being able to extract your photos in some form along with your personal details. The black mail potential is through the roof.
First of all, content being made under an NDA shouldn't really be stored in the cloud anyway. Secondly, Adobe's T&Cs posted yesterday make it very clear what may potentially be reviewed. I think it's ironic that if they didn't do this a whole different part of the outrage brigade would be screaming about how they create a safe harbor for child abusers and whatever else. People need to leave their imaginations to their creative process.
@@TrekCZ IF that's the case then Adobe should be warning us when content is going to be uploaded so we can choose what gets sent off our local machine so that we have the option to choose.
This is why I abandoned adobe products when they went to the subscription model. You give them an inch, they will take an inch, and then another, and then another. I get that folks have built a career around these tools and you don't want to hear it but there is literally only one way they will stop taking those inches and it is to walk away. Other tools may be missing some functionalities, ease-of-use, etc but they are all similar enough that anyone can adapt. But in order to do so, you have to actually make an attempt. Train yourself on new tools before you finally cut the umbilical cord if you want but that's the only way. Predatory practices will not end until they can no longer make money off of you so if you don't agree with how they do business, stop giving them money. Adobe may walk this back a bit or maybe even completely given enough vocalization but I guarantee you in a couple years time, unabashedly they will cross the line again and when they do, they will be even more underhanded about it. The next ToS update will be that they do train AI on your photos. And then a couple years later, it will be something else. We have all watched it happen, time and time again, across all industries. Either you accept their practices or you don't, can't have it both ways anymore. Not in this day and age. You are no longer their customer, you are the product...
@@maggiem1323 Yup. There are plenty of alternatives out there, no need to capitulate to corporate overreach. They may not have all the fancy features but I've been using Gimp and Darktable and both have been perfectly adequate for what I need them for and both are free, open source options.
Yo Tony, I think you bring up a lot of great points and I hadn't even thought about it from the Stock contributor angle; that must feel infuriating. The way Adobe is ball-under-the-cupping "Firefly" and "Generative AI" is also a means of distracting from "machine learning" and their end goal is just monitoring our every action in the interface to replicate our every workflow. They don't need to own the content if they know how to replicate it.
totally agree... I do boudoir and adult photography... adobe basically prohibits me to use any AI for my photography. not to mention that if I upload it to cloud Adobe has full access to it... outrageous.
Another example of 'Big Business' either thinking they are above the law, or being powerful enough that they ARE above the law. This 'nanny' state needs to stop. Leave the policing of content to THE POLICE! Great video, Tony.
On each smart a...s in the big corp, there are literally millions anty smart a...ses like us to teach the a lesson😊 My antivirus after purchase and installation of the latest Lr and Ps start giving me Trojan warnings every 15min, process is run under Adobe... fully scanned the PC and it found some .tmp files and some Adobe folder located files, just killed them all, blocked all Adobe related in and out in the Fire Wall, no more warnings, and all adobe product are runnig ok without issues... Let's see how they spy on me now😅😅😅 After installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out😊 If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go alternative products like SkyLume, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊😊
The problem is that this is an American company and in Merica how deep your pockets are dictate how much of the law applies to you specially if you are a corporation and not a single individual. So they can in fact be above the law.
When they switched to fully subscription people should have assumed this was going to happen. Even paid software has issues, capture one isn't the solution. But it's what I've been using for now. Really sucks we can't really tell and won't know unless legislation forces companies to tell. If it needs to always connect to internet, then there's a good chance data being transfered about you.
You are absolutely correct Tony!!!! Adobe appears to be transitioning into an extension of the data-gathering community. It is ridiculous to profit from your customer's efforts without compensation. The money made from a better-trained A.I. engine will not land in any of the pockets of the people who unknowingly agreed to do it. It smells dubious to me.
Adobe…I’m giving you the opportunity to rectify this…if not, I’ll be forced to cancel my subscription! Maybe I’m small and insignificant but if enough of us seemingly small and insignificant accounts leave you will feel it! If you don’t think that small things can bother you, try sleeping in a tent with a mosquito! (I don’t remember where I heard this saying).
Adobe gets the majority of their money from Company and Agency business licenses. It's a ton more than the consumers cloud price. If you used generative fill before then OFC your images would have had to go the servers to get that ai working. This is no different.
@@deleaptealeaf8935 no I haven’t tried to uninstall it. Primarily I was editing on my iPad and it’s only in the last 2 years I installed it on my computer.
@@deleaptealeaf8935 Yes, I did it last week - very easy. Am now getting to grips with alternatives, it will take a while but somehow I feel a little less naked!
@@williamshakespeare9815Affinity Photo is the closest you’ll come to Photoshop. it’s actually a pretty nice app and will cover at least 85-90% of most of Photoshop’s features for most artists and photographers but for far less money.
Just seen this... I agree with you Tony. My wife and I were just discussing the "Stock" photos Adobe used to train Firefly AI etc. Thanks to your hard work. @6:00 The thing people need to understand is that training an AI takes large data sets *amount of images, and or data, and processing power. All should leave breadcrumbs when they are taken to court.
Thank you very much, Tony for raising this issue that I was admittedly not aware of. After watching your video I took it on me to enter an Adobe chat. After two failed conversations (they connected me to the wrong teams) I had a conversation with a team member who seemed to deal with contractual matters. I asked for changing my contract. And of course the expected answer was that “we cannot change the terms and conditions”. When I asked him to tell the mensgement that I would cancel my subscription if Adobe did not amend the Ts&Cs, the assistant left the chat without even saying goodbye. To my mind we should try to create pressure on Adobe by clogging up their helplines with these kind of discussions and requests. It took me an hour but I think it was worth it.
Im gonna miss editing with After Effects but it feels nice to out from under the Adobe creative cloud. They say theyve made their own any-use license for all your files. Therefore You dont have any personal files because they decided to be co-owners of your files then they can hold your files hostage if you dont keep up your subscription payments. And most wont know that you have to download a tool to uninstall creative cloud. Most people will feel they have no choice but to keep payig them while their selling your content thT YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO! Im glad to be out from under them. Theyve given themselves full use rights to sell your content and when they do, they wont pay you a cent
In the EU and probably in the UK some of this is almost certainly illegal. If medical images are being processed with PS or similar and the information is accessed by any person not specifically permitted to access that data this is an egregious violation of patient confidentiality. It is illegal. People also have a right to privacy also data protection legislation supported by strong legal frameworks in many countries (in the UK enforced by the Data Protection Commissioner) and this could cost Adobe a lot, financially in terms of money and prison time. Obscuring the meaning and burying the new terms deep inside the Terms and Conditions is likely to be looked upon very unfavourably by judges, as it looks like a deliberate attempt to conceal the truth about what what Adobe is doing and its implications.
Thank you for making these points. As a UK-based photographer, I think I may write to the Data Protection Commissioner and suggest a thorough investigation of Adobe's privacy-violating activities. Maybe some of the professional associations might take an interest in this issue too.
I hadn't even considered the medical side of the argument. In the States there are what's known as the HIPAA laws and while they aren't 100% sacrosanct they are about as close to absolute privacy as we get. The only thing that comes close is the attorney/client privilege. If Adobe is piercing that veil then the courts will chew on them hard!
I worked at a tech pub firm where I used adobe illustrator and adobe Photoshop for 20 years. we had DOD contracts and of course our commercial customers information was confidential. Our IT department was constantly working to keep foreign powers from doing exactly what Adobe systems is attempting to do now. This is horrendous.
Thank you for making this video. Although I always thought Adobe is/was very expensive I always kept adobe, because the workflow was just.... amazing. I could do anything I wanted with it, creative wise. But I ditched it today (and bought/downloaded alternatives) because of all the vague fuss about it. My privacy means more to me then... whatever I can come up with right now. I even payed the fine to get rid of it right now instead in a few months because my privacy matters. And I will not let any company cross certain boundaries.
I am deeply troubled about Adobe's EULA. Perhaps a class action law suit is in order? We are tired of government and corporations violating our privacy wether it is through legal or illegal methods. This definatly needs to stop! I am also considering leavin g adobe, voting against adobe as a shareholder and making this as public as possible.
I luckily dropped Adobe already the moment they went subscription only - I detest everything subscription or cloud for my data, and this just confirms my aversion! CaptureOne replaced my LR6, and I don't look back since: color editing tools in C1 are indeed much better. I'm aware LR evolution didn't stop at LR6, and Adobe added some nice masking features recently - but C1 offers me all I need locally, on my personal machine, without forced subscription - and C1's new masking tools are no slouch, either.
I was hoping to hear about this from someone in the photography community because I'm more from the art and illustration communities, and right now this is a big deal. There are TONs of digital artists who have been using photoshop as their entire working platform to paint and illustrate work for decades at this point. And a lot of them are giving Adobe the big middle finger over this, and we're fortunate that in the last several years decent competitors to Adobe have been popping up, especially on platforms like the iPad with Artstudio Pro and ProCreate. Also, Hook'em Horns! \m/
REally good point about your NDA's. That's over the top. Please let us know how Capture One Pro does in this regard. It seems like that's our only other alernative for processing RAW files.
Outrageous! I am in the process of choosing a software solution for developing my future travel RAWs and this video has definitely convinced me to steer clear of any Adobe Lightroom subscription in the future.
George Orwell's book "1984" is becoming very real. Read this book for High School English class and we did a live exercise for a week like we were in that world. It was very scary to be in that class room. I graduated in 1980 and personal computers were not out then. I have been to China and it felt like being in a live version of the book but knew what I was getting into and only for a few weeks. Now I feel that the United States is becoming the new 1984 world, adding computers on top of it all.
@@Ericbjohnston5150who says they can't see your files on your computer. If you connect to their servers while editing your pictures they can see them.
@@Ericbjohnston5150 your'e kidding right ? They cannot see? It is their code that runs on your machine, so it has access to everything, including your e-mails if they want. How do you know if they got some data from wherever on your 'puter, encode it and send a few bytes everytime the license is checked ? Sounds like paranoia, sure. But saying it is not possible is pronoia ?
I am grateful large channels like yourself and Louis Rossmann are covering this. I hope larger channels like Linus Tech Tips also cover this, as I know their team also heavily uses Adobe products. Adobe needs large public blasting to reverse course, change its EULA, and make its terms transparent while respecting its customers' privacy.
I saw this and I’m appalled, big corporations just riding roughshod over us all again. I’m with Tony, privacy is paramount to us all. This is a total disgrace!! 😡
Well, after installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out... If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go to сrасked product, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊 Or use SkyLume for the simple edits😊
seriously though, I cancelled Adobe about 3-4 months ago just because of my adversity to the subscription. I’ve slowly been trying to build a photography workflow only using camera supplied software, or in camera JPGs (Fujifilm simulations and DPP/Canon picture style editor). I think this is going to push people to pirate old software more. And that’s a huge security risk, with which I think the blame could lie with Adobe if some big public hack happened. Be good humans and give us Lightroom and photoshop light, buy once product. You can remove everything newer than a certain year so it doesn’t compete. This would be the harm reduction strategy
The raw file editing software supplied for free by camera manufacturers is actually quite good. Editing programs like Affinity Photo are also quite capable.
Try the open source programs Rawtherapee and Darktable - they may fit your raw editing needs. Both are much more powerful than light room but have a higher learning curve.
I actually liked the features that going to Adobe Creative Cloud brought to the table, like being able to edit photos on my iPad and have that carry over, but I think it's time to start shopping for alternatives. Been debating my $240 per year Adobe fee, when I already have ~3TB available through other services anyways.
Thank you Tony, for bringing this reality to our attention. I think the creator community needs to band together and have a lobbyist and watch group to oversee the rights of digital creators. These types of user license agreements must be reviewed by a creators watch geoup before products are released. What's truly lost, at least in America, and probably the world is loyalty. Corporate loyalty to the customers that made them the success that they are in large corporations today is completely non-existent ! I have a very strong feeling that this is the first drop of what is going to become an avalanche of software companies that are doing the exact same thing. The recent advancements in Ai technology are going to enable these companies to invade our rights of privacy at a break-neck speed. We need to stop this, now else will never be able to stop it ! ! !
I do glamour and boudoir photography, and often, if I want to use something like generative fill or generative expand, I get a warning from adobe that it violates some term of service. I've had this happen often on non-nude, non revealing photos, even on headshots, because apparently it goes by how much skin tone is showing? Or something like that. So, if I need to use it for some reason, I have to copy that small part of the image, open it in a new window, process it separately, and then bring it back into the original photo. it's insane to me that this program is judging my work and telling me that I'm not allowed to use a certain tool because this program has deemed it offensive in some way. I don't pay for adobe to be an arbiter of what is acceptable in my images.
I gave up on Microsoft, Apple, Adobe ... 25 years ago. For a few years, I have had to use Windows for work. That's all. Using Linux and Gimp has served me very well. I am very grateful for these alternatives. But then, I am not a professional photographer and, as an amateur, all I care about is enjoying the process.
Totally agree, it’s like apple computers since a few years ago, there’s an umbrella part of your hard drive that is greyed out that users have no access or control over it, and that, means you do not have full control over your macs and hence no privacy over it. It’s a device you paid loads for but you DO NOT own it. It’s a trend, doors opened to who knows whom. And the responses are all the same: to protect you and your stuff, so you don’t mess it up accidentally. On your own computer!
The EU unfortunately isn’t even moving against Microsoft with Windows that can’t be easily set up in a GDPR-compliant way and Windows affects many, many more users than Adobe’s Cloud products.
The Eu that's just introduced legislation compelling Adobe & any service that hosts data, to do what this video is complaining about? It says Companies should have proactive tools to detect and remove illegal content, in particular for terrorism content and for content which does not need contextualisation to be deemed illegal, such as child sexual abuse material or counterfeited goods... . These safeguards should include human oversight and verification...
Yikes... never been gladder that I'm using Lightroom Classic with Cloud turned off... I process a combo of family photos and professional work, and neither of them are Adobe's business. Will definitely track this. Thanks for sharing this, Tony.
TOTALLY AGREE!! (I never use capitals :) If there is a petition to Adobe or something to sign, please let us know. And thank you, for pointing this out so well.
My internet went out Sunday. I’m in Houston and it took until Wednesday for ATT to get a tech out to fix my fiber line. I use a desktop and Adobe suite. I figured I would download the files I needed for a video edit to my MacBook Pro at my parents’ and then transfer to my desktop. The MacBook isn’t fast enough for the job. Well, I wasn’t even able to use Premiere Pro or even edit personal vacation photos with Lightroom because Adobe said I needed to connect to them online as part of their anti-piracy protection. I had been online only days before! I couldn’t even launch my software!! Cost me days of work. Would be a pain to take my desktop and large monitor elsewhere to get it online. And I don’t have a personal hotspot with my phone to do it that way. My friend was complaining about the new Acrobat the other day, as he so many issues. Now this?!?! I really need to move to Capture One, Davinci Resolve, etc.
DXO Photolab is worth checking out against CaptureOne as a LR replacement. I was a C1 user after LR went subscription only, but switched to DxO after C1 kept making their perpetual license terms worse while also charging more.
@@Yunhaisongtaothat is a view but, as it stands they and everyone else who hosts content, has no choice. Legally they now have to have systems in place to check for illegal content and to have human oversight and checking of it.
Nailed it @ 04:29 "Speaking of police 'Adobe YOU ARE NOT THE POLICE' "
Even if they were the police, it's still a bad idea to allow the police to look through all of your data for no reason. We don't want to become like the CCP.
No, there's nothing nailed. That adobe's take is just an excuse. It drives attention away from actual subject by providing random "reason" why they can in theory do it. In fact they just abusively want user data. There is no need to discuss excuses for that, crime is the thing itself.
Police can't do it without a search warrant either.
@@5poolcatrush you seem to be ignoring the plain and simple fact that they already had and continue to have access to every project, and all assets, in their cloud-enabled apps. They were just harvesting all this data off the books. Now they want to use the data to train AI that they intend to sell access to, so they need to make the invasion of privacy and theft a part of company policy. These changes to the terms reflect changes from years ago. Back before the cloud services, to when Adobe would harvest information from your PC whenever you ran an update, and they started adding fingerprints to assets created in by their products so law enforcement could track them.
The law has changed recently, this requires hosts to have appropriate systems to ensure that they do not host or enable sharing of illegal content, they are not the police but are legally obliged to check content they host the same as everyone else. This has been handled really poorly by them but everyone does and has to do this. It's that it appears to let them go beyond that which is the worry.
This is EXACTLY what people were screaming about years ago when Adobe went to the cloud….!!!! This crap NEEDS to stop now…..!!!
Adobe froze one of my photos in Lightroom. It was a photo of a sculpture of an angel publically visible outside a business. There was nothing obscene about it, but when I saw the photo was locked, I knew what was going on. Some days later the lock was removed without them saying anything. So you know they had some AI jump to a conclusion and flag it for review. So this is already happening guys.
Switch to affinity photo.
And exactly why i never bought a subscription. Clearly a powerplay and i wasn't having it. I was still saving up to by ps and ae when they went "cloud" but to me it was just fog. Their marketing for it was obvious bs
You don't have to use the cloud, it's your choice.
...and the govenment won't ptotect you from this because they are doing the same thing.
abandoning evil corporations should be a part of normal human culture
Well said!
I second that. I believe it to be a common part of human culture. However, people are overwhelmed by too much information, opinions, and we all need a little help. We struggle to deny ourselves the few pleasures we in life because someone decided to be greedy. It's very possible to mend our society, but it takes significant resistance to our short-term goals in lieu of long-term benefit and stability.
Your comment should be pinned. Because this comment right here is the cure to society to prevent companies from abusing their customers.
Stop using RUclips that’s owned by google. You won’t tho. So stop it.
@@wjuice2020 RUclips benefits us immensely. It's probably the least evil part of google haha
There is no rational reason Adobe needs to have access to our photos. Period.
If Adobe has invested millions in the infrastructure to scan billions of user images, then damn right they have figured out a way to monitize our images. They are just not telling us. And by the way, it has nothing to do with protecting children.
But please think of the children! We have to affect our lifestyle and everything to protect them! is not their parents fault that they leave their kids unattended with a phone and access to the internet! /s
@@teresashinkansen9402 Unlike social media where every one can see what you share, Adobe is a tool for work, so the work is only availabe for you alone.
There 's no reason for them to moderator what I do on my Adobe tool, other than stealing data to train their AI, of course.
@@teresashinkansen9402Kids matter, but no kid should be paying $22/month for adobe apps. Photographers deserve their privacy…
@@teresashinkansen9402 What you talking about? Its two different things. What have in common someone peaking on your work and protect your kids from using internet. Pathetic
Adobe will lose the creative community if they don’t have our trust. This is not acceptable.
They already lost a bunch of our trust. But the creative community keeps paying. It seems more like Stockholm syndrome to me. I think, Adobe can do whatever they want, the creative community won’t leave anytime soon.
@@annynmatheson5089 I dropped Adobe products for video and audio editing years ago. I only use Lightroom and Photoshop these days and now I'm looking for alternatives for them. Adobe have great products, but the privacy rights really do matter to me - as a member of the "creative community".
This has always been their plan. They want you to save YOUR stuff to THEIR clouds.
@@annynmatheson5089 A lot have switched to DaVinci for video work. The problem is that there isnt a quality alternative to Photoshop.
Err, just switch to affinity photo. There are alternatives.
I’ve been a devout Adobe user for 40 years. I’m considering canceling my subscription and finding alternative solutions. This crap has to stop and we need to be the ones who help do it.
Serif has a 50% sale on their Affinity programs right now. Perpetual Licenses, no subscriptions, no cloud services ... and a code base that is fresh and not 1200 years old like Adobe's.
What would you do with your dng files, if you convert to that? What other options are there? I have a few days until my year ends, so I have to figure this out pretty quickly.
Affinity Designer is a really good alternative to Fireworks. I've not used their photo editing suite, but I'd check them out. Old Macromedia user, and Adobe can go die in a fire as far as I'm concerned.
Affinity looks to be a pretty good alternative to a lot of Adobe options at a much better price. I also use Clip Studio Paint for my digital art and it is better than Photoshop in many ways in my opinion, at least for digital art. I'm not a photographer myself.
Even before I cancelled Illustrator, I used Inkscape for its vector tracing, which is much better than Illustrator for that feature.
@@L.SpencerI use Capture One for my photo editing which allows use of DNG format. Also, you can buy this software as a one off, no ongoing subscription needed. I purposely avoided buying in Lightroom for these reasons alone.
Corporations are out of control and need to be reigned in.
And governments, too.
Stop spending money with them. The only power they have is your money.
The us gov don't care they profit from theses monopolies.
@@LV4EVR
BlackRock will bail them out.
Hah! It's way too late to reign them in!
This is what happens in a world where corporations have gaslit us into believing they can just change terms and conditions whenever and however they see fit, and your only recourse is to stop using the product you purchased from them. Until we enforce that any change in EULA or terms/conditions necessitates automatic right to full refund to anyone who purchased the product/service/software, they will continue to just vaguely put what they want in these things to their benefit and our detriment.
And when they have a monopoly. They know they can do this because there is pretty much no competition in photography editing.
Adobe: "You are renting our software. If you don't like the Eula you are free to leave. Oh, but if you do please remember access to your old projects is also owned by us."
This is a very good point about the EULA changes…
If product is paid, there shall not be any other ways of charges like collecting personal data and analzying user's stuff. I have already paid for the product by money, you cant take anything else consciencefully.
Problem is it is not just adobe its every company today.. Majority of people reads personal data as ethereal concept and companies just try to expand borders of their abusive practices as far as they can by trial and error.
I am very glad that author mentioned monopoly too. I am 100% sure that monopolies should comply to general laws that apply to government like no censorship unreated if it is a private company or not. People are hooked to use it and there is no alternative - that must not legitimize such abuse. Microsoft, google, instagram, twitter and almost every service today abuses this thing because if someone will quit it he will be socially incomplete so he won't.
@@craigbarnett5992 The Great Reset.
"There is no cloud, only someone else's computer" Save and use your work on your local drive.
It's a start to work locally, but in the end an application you install on your machine will have the power to scan stuff, give remote access once your machine is online and much more.
It's a problem we need to fix in our society and in our free market. Nothing we can fix technically.
"Content....that you upload, import into, ...or create using the services and software."
To me that also means all the data on your own computers. It's not just on the "cloud".
@@abandonedcranium6592 So true.
Lightroom Classic (the desktop application without cloud) is affected, too. The moment you import stuff into the Lr catalog, Adobe reserves the right to look into it, be it an AI using your own CPU/GPU power, upload stuff to their domain or just open a backdoor so someone can look into it remotely.
@@buckturgidson9666 I still use my old disk version of CS4 due to exactly what you are talking about. Thankfully like with Microsoft, you can change the IP address the program uses to report to Adobe in the Windows host file. Every time I load up new software I make sure the addresses to a unused IP. I suffered a stalker years ago, I will not put up with a company adopting my old stalkers warped and sociopathic tactics. This is no different than a home invasion.
So if your original photos, catalogs, etc are indeed on your local drive and NOT adobe's cloud, will that limit their ability to access it? (i.e. will they still have access?)
What I think is more absurd is that they are behaving like a ransomware.
The steal access to your work to force you to accept their terms.
Well said, Tony. Anger is justified. Monopolistic, deceitful, and potentially harmful practices by tech corporations needs to be called out.
this is my final straw with Adobe. You’re telling me I am forced to RENT a TOOL on a fairly monopolized software company and NOW they are breaching my privacy and ownership?! Absolutely unacceptable. This is after months of in-app ads shoving Ai down my throat. I’m so fed up.
automatic impersonation
Easy solution. Let the black flag fly. They clearly don't want you paying for their stuff if this is how they treat the paying customer.
They are EXTREMELY monopolized. They bought and killed all of their competitors. Some with much better products.
Use alternatives like many are, adobe are slowly dying.
Meanwhile DaVinci Resolve, Figma, Gimp and Krita : we are always goong to be your slaves for free and never the other way around.
Report it to the FTC and Justice Deepartment. It sounds like it needs an anti-trust investigation.
Great idea, but my trust in those institutions doing anything is about zero.
???????????????? The Biden administration is pushing this. Come on man.
DOJ probably put them up to it. Just like they do with every other big tech data miners. Laws mean nothing now.
Anyone in the EU needs to raise with their information commissioner’s. I’ll be doing this in the UK.
In the USA the government can ask about any information on servers in the USA.
It's the main reason why you should never hoast a website with servers outside of your country.
Totally unacceptable, Adobe. We work for clients and they assume that (unpublished, work-in-progress) information is private. You are no longer a trustworthy professional platform.
Exactly, this should be the priority for all professionals
Don’t use Adobe then if you’re paranoid…
@@JT_1 I'm not paranoid. And I'm trying Affinity Designer - it's looking good!
@@JT_1 You don't seem to understand what paranoia is. Paranoia is when you falsely believe they are spying on you. When a fucked up company admits that they are actually spying on you, it stops being paranoia.
@@JT_1 Paranoid would imply delusional suspicion. There is no delusion, and suspicion, it is plain facts, Adobe is not trust worthy. I am thankful I started with Gimp and Darktable, and never used Adobe product unless at a workspace where I had no choice.. ie none of my work has ever touched Adobe products. Happy to see Adobe cutting it's own neck and looking forward to a smarter more awake group of future artists to make us outside the box kids feel less lonely.
Lawyers should make a class action against Adobe.
I could go to jail because of this, and I am just doing my job. In the past I have shot assignments in military installations, the Australian Prime Minister’s residence and the Reserve Bank, amongst others. To do this I had to sign anti-disclosure agreements that, if broken, could put me in jail for up to 25 years. I got to do these shoots because I would NEVER reveal government secrets. It seems like I have just, potentially broken that agreement, courtesy of Adobe.
Every part of this is concerning and very well presented, as always Tony. Like you, Adobe has been the centre of my decades long career, and I had little option but to use their software. Having said that, I stayed away from Adobe cloud for as long as I could. Luckily all of that sensitive stuff was shot before they got their hands on my work. As you have made clear, this should be deemed illegal, and has to be banned!
Time to switch programs ... Affinity Photo is pretty good.
@@EricLefebvrePhotography I appreciate the suggestion, I'm looking for other options.
@@L.Spencer I have the full Affinity suite and Photo is 90% there, Designer (Illustrator) is 100% there and Publisher (inDesign) is amazing (not that I do much work in that).
Maybe we should write our congress people and ask for this to be illegal. They may or may not listen, but I will be calling and writing.
@@EricLefebvrePhotography i wish they had a decent DAM alternative to LR - im busy searching my options
Dropped Adobe 4 years ago. Extremely glad I did. Their pricing got out of control, and now their lack of concern for privacy and ethics is out of control.
You dropped Adobe and started using what? What alternative gives you the same functionality?
@@wesyoung7980 "yOu GeT wHaT yOu PaY fOr" amirite?
@@wesyoung7980 Affinity, Capture One, On1, Davinci Resolve, Final Cut Pro, etc. Are they as good as Adobe? Depends on your usage and opinion. And let's say for argument's sake they're only 90-95% as good as Adobe products. Many people willingly choose to sacrifice that 5-10% so they don't have to dwell in the Adobe universe.
@@wesyoung7980Affinity. Not 100%, but more than enough for many, if not most users.
Me too - I’m quite happy to have taken a little hit on here and there to adapt my workflow to other tools. Resolve > Premiere IMO anyway.
The sellers of affinity Photo should send Adobe a thank you note.
They saw the hoopla and instantly started a 50% sale! LOL
@@EricLefebvrePhotography They just got bought out by Canva. It's heartbreaking.
Sadly it's a very poor substitute
@@craigburton4447 any better option offered by the world?. or we gives this idea to chinese to create a better and inexpensive graphic software product?
@@craigburton4447 LOLOLOLOL!!!!! Software should carry PATENT, NOT copyright.
Every year it gets harder to justify my renewal subscription to Lightroom / Photoshop. The tools are fine but I am feeling increasingly distant from Adobe who seem interested in destroying our industry. They are not our friends.
100% correct assessment. Abode are not our friends.
Using AI to replace photographers was a business choice. So they can reap the after effects of that decision.
Oh. I won’t renew After Effects now either. Or photoshop. Or Lightroom. I gave up on Premiere years ago and went to Resolve.
Lost me today. I just cancelled it by transferring my payment to an expired credit card so they can't penalize me for the cancelation. Take that clown company.
@@velvetsound I actually prefer Resolve. The colouring is amazing and it's so much easier to use.
@@velvetsound It took me about a week or two to adjust to DaVinci Resolve-a _stellar_ use of my time. Would _never_ go back.
Capture One, Infinity Photo, Skylum. Vote with your dollars!
_Affinity_ Photo, but yes, money is _all_ they will understand. Sometimes you have to support the competition, or there will _be_ no competition!
Pixelmator Pro?
I’m not a professional in the strict sense of the term. I use Adobe because I have the money but often ask myself, can I justify this. It’s relatively expensive for a keen amatuer. This has motivated me to change brands purely on a matter of principle. I survived before Adobe, I’ll survey after.
Unless an app is open source or specifically says it does not track and monitor your activity it will be watching you. ALL of them..
None of these do what Lightroom or Photoshop does. As annoying as Adobe is, they have no competition at the moment. I’ve used Affinity for a long time but it’s not getting any better and getting bought by Canva won’t help.
In the film industry, maintaining the confidentiality of movie assets such as raw footage, unfinished movies, and promotional materials like posters is critical. The unauthorized release of such materials can have a significant impact on marketing strategies, copyright control, and overall revenues. In cases where there is a data leak, the source of the leak is often investigated thoroughly. If the leak can be traced back to a specific individual who negligently or intentionally compromised the security protocols, that person could indeed face serious consequences. Even with user consent and transparency, the presence of features that allow a software provider like Adobe to check in on users' projects can be concerning, especially for professionals working with sensitive or confidential content. This is particularly relevant in industries like film, graphic design, and advertising, where projects often have strict non-disclosure agreements and release schedules. - This is absolutly insane.
Years ago Adobe was allowed to gobble up Macromedia. US regulators fail to rein in anti-competitive monopolies and this is the result.
PSA: Affinity Photo, Designer and Publisher still are a one time-only purchase. Same with Blackmagic Design DaVinci Resolve Studio which is getting mostly better each year.
Joe Christina has done a series a few years back now "Life after Adobe", there are many very good products one could use instead of anything from Adobe.
Two of my favorite programs…that keep getting better
Thank you. I’m going to buy affinity photo for iPad.
I am a hobbyist. This issue, and Adobe’s subscription model, are why I went with Affinity instead.
@@upupa_epops_1000 Capture one
Adobe is now casually looking in on DoD contractors materials that would normally require a security clearance to see.
Well with the Acrobat files, yeah! pretty much
2 days ago I was thinking about renewing my CC subscription... Then I saw Lous Rossmans video. Now I see this video...
I want to use Adobe products because there is no real substitute for the whole suite.
But now I will do everything that I can to find alternatives because Adobe is going in a direction that can't be changed easily.
This is psychotic behaviour. If a person behaved like this nobody would want to do anything with them.
I use DaVinci for my videos now (I even prefer it, not just because I don't want ot use Adobe), but there isn't an alternative to Photoshop unfortunately.
Afinity has some good options.
Krita=photoshop, gimp= illustrator, da Vinci resolve=premier, Kdenlive=premier, blender/Unreal Engine/Natron=after effects, darktable=lightroom
@@williamshakespeare9815 I use Davinci also. Better solution than Premier. I've managed to ditch all but Lightroom and Photoshop and I'm looking at options now after this last EULA update.
I use Resolve for video. Affinity Photo, Design, and Publisher. DxO Photolab as my Lightroom alternative.
This is absolutely disgusting!!! It is an invasion of peoples' privacy. This needs to stop immediately. They may have industry standard products, but with behaviour like this they may see a massive swing away from them (and they deserve to). Seriously in what world does a team of senior executives from any company think this is OK?? I will be seeking alternative products, this is an absolute disgrace!!!
“Hey maybe while you guys are in everyone’s private data hunting for PDF files, you can figure out why your PDF reader still takes half a dog’s life to load. If I gave birth to a newborn baby while opening Adobe Acrobat, by the time it finally got to my plain text document that baby would be old enough to get turned down by Leonardo DiCaprio.” -Big Money Salvia
Who knew Tony was so based. I've always been a fan and bought some of his books, but now I appreciate him even more.
I was actually a little shocked he was this upset...which is what really told me to pay attention to what he had to say.
lol. Tony moonlights as the Based Stick Man.
"We cannot simply pivot & switch to some other application..." AND THAT IS WHAT ADOBE IS COUNTING ON.
I have switched completely in 2018 and I am really proud as a graphics designer, illustrator and photographer to be Adobe independent ever since. I mostly use Affinity, sometimes Photomator, Davinci etc.
Many of you will be too young to remember when QuarkXPress had a monopoly on the publishing industry. (Ironically till Adobe InDesign came along.) Express was completely entrenched in the publising workflows but we said enough is enough and the world shifted. It took time but it happened. Don't belive we can't move from one set of tools to another. We have in the past and we can now.
@@designobservatory there are products like Capture One for ingestion and Affinity and other photo tools. But none with the amazing integration and certainly none with the complex layering, training programs and RUclips support.
There aren’t inexpensive options for After Effects though. And numerous other apps.
uhhhh.... have you heard of the INTERNET? There are literally hundreds of options, some even better and even free. F this fascist bs. You USE Adobe....NOT the other way around. Switch!
GLAD YOUR FIGHTING FOR THIS - Cheers dude
Imagine someone secretly looking at the photos of your naked children in the bathroom - on the grounds that they want to prevent perverts from looking at photos of naked children. The irony. And you even pay them to do it.
They aren't looking at them, they are using them to train their generative ai (and cover their butts) and worse.
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@@jichaelmorgan3796 well, at least from having your files being used for training their AI model it's easy to opt out in the privacy settings. But still everything else is a total licensing shit show
@@trueatfalse it's wild, and they'll never stop trying to creep the terms even further
@@jichaelmorgan3796 _"They aren't looking at them"_ - Your trust in your fellow man is not based in reality.
Right true, The opportunity to look at private photos is a magnet to deviates.
Are Adobes people above reproach?
This kind of unaccountable, secretive corporate surveillance should be totally illegal - and we need robust security tools to make it impossible for companies like this to invade our privacy, without getting caught in the attempt. But don't hold your breath waiting for such an unlikely privacy revolution. If you have to use Photoshop, just disconnect from the internet when working with sensitive images. That means you can't use AI tools that process your data on Adobe's servers... But hey, we've managed without them for a long time.
I agree, Adobe should be only data processor, provide compute resources, doing filter and AI and after the fact forget data. They just want to leverage our data for making more money, so they will try. But all cloud companies are doing that.
Be sure that the governments are salivating with this.
Forty years ago the federal government would have come after Adobe or anyone else for doing what they are doing, but since then corporations and the wealthy have gained a stranglehold on the government and now corporations can do almost anything they want. Also, if Adobe has a crap ton of private data on you and me then the government can get access to that without our consent and the corporations are not permitted to tell their customers that the government demanded your data.
All of this provides a buffet of possibilities for hackers and scammers and nation state actors, where ever they are and for what ever reason!
Just switch to Affinity photo.
@@nsevv I have -- it's not quite there with PS, but I don't have to keep paying for it month after month.
I’ve cancelled all my subscriptions and deleted the software.
People think the "cloud" is some magical thing. It's literally someone else's computer.
Someone in marketing saw a network diagram... with "Internet" being a cloud... the nebulous, undefined space... and decided to start marking their internet-based service as "cloud" and sadly, it is grown... and marketing people think "everything" should be cloud, sadly.
Not computer, server, lots of servers to be precise😊
@@antontaranenko8824 yes I know. For the sake of discussion I simplified it.
@@LiquidTurbo On each smart a...s in the big corp, there are literally millions anty smart a...ses like us to teach the a lesson😊
My antivirus after purchase and installation of the latest Lr and Ps start giving me Trojan warnings every 15min, process is run under Adobe... fully scanned the PC and it found some .tmp files and some Adobe folder located files, just killed them all, blocked all Adobe related in and out in the Fire Wall, no more warnings, and all adobe product are runnig ok without issues... Let's see how they spy on me now😅😅😅
After installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out😊
If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go alternative products like SkyLume, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊
@@antontaranenko8824 Is a server not a computer, then?
Adobe sucks as a company, between shutting down license servers for old products and making them unusable and their anti-consumer subscription models and now this. I honestly don't think Adobe should exist on this planet. These predatory license and TOS updates without concent should be illegal. Changing the terms after a sale is not OK.
This is why I never got into adobe's clutches. I am just a small creator using software mainly for personal photos but once in a while for commercial work. But Adobe is not my product of choice as I hear more and more about them.
I'm apparently (and thankfully) out of the Adobe loop. So now you can't activate older, legit copies of the CS? I have 6 or maybe it's 5.5 installed; I can no longer active it if I change computers?
@@LV4EVR Yeah, adobe reams you with an electric cattle prod just like Harvesting Mink! If you try! Bazzzzzzzzzzt!
This is unacceptable. Thank you Tony for making this videos. I'm going to go to a different platform for photo editing. I've had enough of this corporate crap.
We demand answers! This has me absolutely irate. Thanks for blowing the whistle, Tony!
I demanded change. So I changed. I stopped using software from a company that only allows you to RENT it. Buh-bye to that nonsense.
I work for one of the world’s largest marketing and content agencies. There is no way this doesn’t breach our customers contracts with us… How are we supposed to continue using Adobe products with this in place?
first by having your legal department sue adobe inc....... and with this video here, there is enough legal grounds to start ....
@@Beauty.and.FashionPhotographer well that’s a dumb thing to say, we don’t have to agree to their terms and conditions. The only way to put pressure on them would be to vote with your wallet and use a different program
There are replacements. If a major corperation went to a few of the opensource alternatives and said "we'll make donations of half what we pay adobe every year but we need ##### to work", they'd have the fund to supprise the hell out of you. And I [think] it would be tax deductable. And if you get Is nervous about what its doing hire a third party programmer to look at the code.
Tony, I'm glad you did this video. It is a wake up call! I built my business around Adobe, just as you said. Makes me keep my eyes open for an alternative. Hopefully Adobe hears us and watches your video. They should know that we're appalled!
And not just appalled, anger is also a great motivator. It’s made you start thinking about other options, hold on to that motivation.
I'm cancelling if they don't revert. This shouldn't be legal
You still can't trust them if they revert
This is one of the funniest comments I've read about this situation. 😂
“Terms of use” should be renamed to “terms of abuse”.
I'm with you on this. The wording is just crazy. They need to limit the snooping to only with a valid warrant.
Adobe makes amazing photo editing software, but they need to f****** relax with AI. Starting to feel like Lando in the elevator with Vader.
Amazing
The analogy works well on multiple levels - Jaba Hut is definitely Adobe AI and our images are Han...
LOL! I am altering the user agreement. Pray don’t alter it more!
It’s actually not that amazing. Live Picture, made about 30 years ago, was amazing.
kinda passed that point a year of two ago.
Infact the dabbling in AI tools was the security droid choking us out on the beach.
We're Kassian Andor and the paramedic just let slip that NO ONE ever finishes their sentence. If we want to leave alive its riot time. NOW.
Good use of your platform Tony to speak out against this massive overreach. We're kind of conditioned to these antics while using free ad based platforms, but not with paid platforms. Adobe just wants/needs/lusts for everyone's data so desperately to train their AI, and then resell AI generated content back to its users.
I’m only here from internet etiquette used this in their video lol I was looking for his comment and can’t find it 🤦🏾♂️
looks like im not the only one
me too lol
canceling all adobe subscriptions.
Just a warning they will charge you for the rest of the year and will do it all at once.
@@bubbles581 My advice is always calling them, the workers most often will make it possible to cancel without the fee. You can say that you want to "change plan" and just not change to a new one. Also if you pay by credit card, just cancel the credit card and see whats going on.
Well, after installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out...
If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go to сrасked product, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊
Or use SkyLume for the simple edits😊
Hah my antivirus after purchase and installation of the latest Lr and Ps start giving me Trojan warnings every 15min, process is run under Adobe... fully scanned the PC and it found some .tmp files and some Adobe folder located files, just killed them all, blocked all Adobe related in and out in the Fire Wall, no more warnings, and all adobe product are runnig ok without issues... Let's see how they spy on me now😅😅😅
After installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out😊
If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go alternative products like SkyLume, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊
I hope you are ready when you return. 🍑
I quit using Adobe many years ago. I HATE subscription services...
I hate that shit.
dito
Time to change the Software. Thank you for sharing 🙏 Great work. Powerful stand.
"In October 2013, Adobe, a leading software company known for products like Photoshop and Acrobat Reader, announced a massive security breach. " Up until now technology has only really allowed for massive data hacks to extract simple lines of data; name,personal information, account number..as a text file. If Adobe is serious about this it would have to eliminate 'false positive flags' by keeping at least thumbnails attached to the usual text...And we are not that far away from a data hack being able to extract your photos in some form along with your personal details. The black mail potential is through the roof.
Really important point
They’ve already got your CC details why worry about a few snaps….
Once you go to a subscription model, it opens the door for the company to do just about anything they want to. This is a great example.
I purchased ACDsee and my only contact with them is updates.
Thank you for not falling for their bullshit and helping people to understand that the lack of an answer is the scary part.
Bravo, Tony! Thank you for bringing this to light.
Very good point regarding NDA's. Adobe is just asking for a major law suit.
I wonder if a civil liberties law group will see this, but then, most of those lost their altruism decades ago.
Need a leader for class suit
First of all, content being made under an NDA shouldn't really be stored in the cloud anyway. Secondly, Adobe's T&Cs posted yesterday make it very clear what may potentially be reviewed. I think it's ironic that if they didn't do this a whole different part of the outrage brigade would be screaming about how they create a safe harbor for child abusers and whatever else. People need to leave their imaginations to their creative process.
@@tomwear4613 What a wonderful apologist you are; Adobe appreciates you.
Affinity is just around the corner. Let´s empower the ones that respect us.
Alarming to learn. I expect full and absolute privacy of any my content edited in Adobe Products.
Not possible, because during various operations content is uploaded to Adobe servers
@@TrekCZ IF that's the case then Adobe should be warning us when content is going to be uploaded so we can choose what gets sent off our local machine so that we have the option to choose.
It is only an issue if you are using the cloud. In any case the privacy statements are clearly referring to the social sharing platforms they run.
This is why I abandoned adobe products when they went to the subscription model. You give them an inch, they will take an inch, and then another, and then another. I get that folks have built a career around these tools and you don't want to hear it but there is literally only one way they will stop taking those inches and it is to walk away. Other tools may be missing some functionalities, ease-of-use, etc but they are all similar enough that anyone can adapt. But in order to do so, you have to actually make an attempt. Train yourself on new tools before you finally cut the umbilical cord if you want but that's the only way. Predatory practices will not end until they can no longer make money off of you so if you don't agree with how they do business, stop giving them money.
Adobe may walk this back a bit or maybe even completely given enough vocalization but I guarantee you in a couple years time, unabashedly they will cross the line again and when they do, they will be even more underhanded about it. The next ToS update will be that they do train AI on your photos. And then a couple years later, it will be something else. We have all watched it happen, time and time again, across all industries. Either you accept their practices or you don't, can't have it both ways anymore. Not in this day and age. You are no longer their customer, you are the product...
I use Linux and open source softwares for the past decades because of this. You give this corporations an inch and they own you.
Adobe is a cancer... they eat you money, pride and privacy..
@@maggiem1323 Yup. There are plenty of alternatives out there, no need to capitulate to corporate overreach. They may not have all the fancy features but I've been using Gimp and Darktable and both have been perfectly adequate for what I need them for and both are free, open source options.
Yo Tony,
I think you bring up a lot of great points and I hadn't even thought about it from the Stock contributor angle; that must feel infuriating. The way Adobe is ball-under-the-cupping "Firefly" and "Generative AI" is also a means of distracting from "machine learning" and their end goal is just monitoring our every action in the interface to replicate our every workflow. They don't need to own the content if they know how to replicate it.
This is totally unacceptable and a very big invasion of privacy.🤬🤬🤬🤬
No it isn’t, prove it
@@JT_1 Troll
@@Neil-Aspinallso you can’t eh?
totally agree... I do boudoir and adult photography... adobe basically prohibits me to use any AI for my photography. not to mention that if I upload it to cloud Adobe has full access to it... outrageous.
The shift to Affinity Photo is a pain and you have to learn the whole retouching process again but for your use case it might be worth it.
Totally inacceptable to change to such intransparent conditions!! Thank you for discovering and dismanteling this adobe fraud!
Another example of 'Big Business' either thinking they are above the law, or being powerful enough that they ARE above the law. This 'nanny' state needs to stop. Leave the policing of content to THE POLICE! Great video, Tony.
On each smart a...s in the big corp, there are literally millions anty smart a...ses like us to teach the a lesson😊
My antivirus after purchase and installation of the latest Lr and Ps start giving me Trojan warnings every 15min, process is run under Adobe... fully scanned the PC and it found some .tmp files and some Adobe folder located files, just killed them all, blocked all Adobe related in and out in the Fire Wall, no more warnings, and all adobe product are runnig ok without issues... Let's see how they spy on me now😅😅😅
After installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out😊
If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go alternative products like SkyLume, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊😊
The problem is that this is an American company and in Merica how deep your pockets are dictate how much of the law applies to you specially if you are a corporation and not a single individual. So they can in fact be above the law.
@@teresashinkansen9402 you are confusing USA with ruzzia 🙏😉🤣🤣
When they switched to fully subscription people should have assumed this was going to happen.
Even paid software has issues, capture one isn't the solution. But it's what I've been using for now. Really sucks we can't really tell and won't know unless legislation forces companies to tell. If it needs to always connect to internet, then there's a good chance data being transfered about you.
You are absolutely correct Tony!!!! Adobe appears to be transitioning into an extension of the data-gathering community. It is ridiculous to profit from your customer's efforts without compensation. The money made from a better-trained A.I. engine will not land in any of the pockets of the people who unknowingly agreed to do it. It smells dubious to me.
Adobe…I’m giving you the opportunity to rectify this…if not, I’ll be forced to cancel my subscription!
Maybe I’m small and insignificant but if enough of us seemingly small and insignificant accounts leave you will feel it!
If you don’t think that small things can bother you, try sleeping in a tent with a mosquito! (I don’t remember where I heard this saying).
Adobe gets the majority of their money from Company and Agency business licenses. It's a ton more than the consumers cloud price. If you used generative fill before then OFC your images would have had to go the servers to get that ai working. This is no different.
@@ed61730Companies that work with confidential information and develop products will not like this either
Not insignificant!
@@deleaptealeaf8935 no I haven’t tried to uninstall it. Primarily I was editing on my iPad and it’s only in the last 2 years I installed it on my computer.
@@deleaptealeaf8935 Yes, I did it last week - very easy. Am now getting to grips with alternatives, it will take a while but somehow I feel a little less naked!
I cancelled my Adobe susbscription. Sad, because I have been using Adobe products since the late 90's.
I've cancelled Pro and AE and use DaVinci now, wish there was an alternative to Photoshop.
@@williamshakespeare9815 Krita or Gimp
@@williamshakespeare9815 Affinity's products are rock solid.
@@williamshakespeare9815Affinity Photo is the closest you’ll come to Photoshop. it’s actually a pretty nice app and will cover at least 85-90% of most of Photoshop’s features for most artists and photographers but for far less money.
I'm also considering cancellation.
Just seen this... I agree with you Tony. My wife and I were just discussing the "Stock" photos Adobe used to train Firefly AI etc. Thanks to your hard work. @6:00 The thing people need to understand is that training an AI takes large data sets *amount of images, and or data, and processing power. All should leave breadcrumbs when they are taken to court.
Thank you very much, Tony for raising this issue that I was admittedly not aware of.
After watching your video I took it on me to enter an Adobe chat. After two failed conversations (they connected me to the wrong teams) I had a conversation with a team member who seemed to deal with contractual matters. I asked for changing my contract. And of course the expected answer was that “we cannot change the terms and conditions”. When I asked him to tell the mensgement that I would cancel my subscription if Adobe did not amend the Ts&Cs, the assistant left the chat without even saying goodbye.
To my mind we should try to create pressure on Adobe by clogging up their helplines with these kind of discussions and requests. It took me an hour but I think it was worth it.
Wow. Great customer service!
Thanks a lot, Tony for highlighting these shocking insights!
Thankfully there are several great photo editing software alternatives.
Screw you, Adobe!
Im gonna miss editing with After Effects but it feels nice to out from under the Adobe creative cloud. They say theyve made their own any-use license for all your files. Therefore You dont have any personal files because they decided to be co-owners of your files then they can hold your files hostage if you dont keep up your subscription payments. And most wont know that you have to download a tool to uninstall creative cloud. Most people will feel they have no choice but to keep payig them while their selling your content thT YOU DONT EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO! Im glad to be out from under them. Theyve given themselves full use rights to sell your content and when they do, they wont pay you a cent
In the EU and probably in the UK some of this is almost certainly illegal. If medical images are being processed with PS or similar and the information is accessed by any person not specifically permitted to access that data this is an egregious violation of patient confidentiality. It is illegal. People also have a right to privacy also data protection legislation supported by strong legal frameworks in many countries (in the UK enforced by the Data Protection Commissioner) and this could cost Adobe a lot, financially in terms of money and prison time. Obscuring the meaning and burying the new terms deep inside the Terms and Conditions is likely to be looked upon very unfavourably by judges, as it looks like a deliberate attempt to conceal the truth about what what Adobe is doing and its implications.
Thank you for making these points. As a UK-based photographer, I think I may write to the Data Protection Commissioner and suggest a thorough investigation of Adobe's privacy-violating activities. Maybe some of the professional associations might take an interest in this issue too.
I hadn't even considered the medical side of the argument. In the States there are what's known as the HIPAA laws and while they aren't 100% sacrosanct they are about as close to absolute privacy as we get. The only thing that comes close is the attorney/client privilege. If Adobe is piercing that veil then the courts will chew on them hard!
In the UK people have gone to prison for memes made in photoshop.
@@theholepicture WHAT?! That doesn't sound right! Makes me glad we defeated King George!
@@swistedfilms of course you are, you are only for free speech for your friends and allies. Pssst,That isn’t free speech
I worked at a tech pub firm where I used adobe illustrator and adobe Photoshop for 20 years. we had DOD contracts and of course our commercial customers information was confidential. Our IT department was constantly working to keep foreign powers from doing exactly what Adobe systems is attempting to do now. This is horrendous.
Thank you for making this video. Although I always thought Adobe is/was very expensive I always kept adobe, because the workflow was just.... amazing. I could do anything I wanted with it, creative wise. But I ditched it today (and bought/downloaded alternatives) because of all the vague fuss about it. My privacy means more to me then... whatever I can come up with right now. I even payed the fine to get rid of it right now instead in a few months because my privacy matters. And I will not let any company cross certain boundaries.
I am deeply troubled about Adobe's EULA. Perhaps a class action law suit is in order? We are tired of government and corporations violating our privacy wether it is through legal or illegal methods. This definatly needs to stop! I am also considering leavin g adobe, voting against adobe as a shareholder and making this as public as possible.
Why do people always want lawsuits instead of just abstaining. Just don't buy Adobe's crap.
I luckily dropped Adobe already the moment they went subscription only - I detest everything subscription or cloud for my data, and this just confirms my aversion! CaptureOne replaced my LR6, and I don't look back since: color editing tools in C1 are indeed much better. I'm aware LR evolution didn't stop at LR6, and Adobe added some nice masking features recently - but C1 offers me all I need locally, on my personal machine, without forced subscription - and C1's new masking tools are no slouch, either.
I was hoping to hear about this from someone in the photography community because I'm more from the art and illustration communities, and right now this is a big deal. There are TONs of digital artists who have been using photoshop as their entire working platform to paint and illustrate work for decades at this point. And a lot of them are giving Adobe the big middle finger over this, and we're fortunate that in the last several years decent competitors to Adobe have been popping up, especially on platforms like the iPad with Artstudio Pro and ProCreate.
Also, Hook'em Horns! \m/
REally good point about your NDA's. That's over the top. Please let us know how Capture One Pro does in this regard. It seems like that's our only other alernative for processing RAW files.
I think Ansel will be a good alternative as well one has been developed style more. A really powerful tool with a good UI,
DXO Photolab is a great alternative as well. Compare both when switching.
Outrageous!
I am in the process of choosing a software solution for developing my future travel RAWs and this video has definitely convinced me to steer clear of any Adobe Lightroom subscription in the future.
George Orwell's book "1984" is becoming very real. Read this book for High School English class and we did a live exercise for a week like we were in that world. It was very scary to be in that class room. I graduated in 1980 and personal computers were not out then. I have been to China and it felt like being in a live version of the book but knew what I was getting into and only for a few weeks. Now I feel that the United States is becoming the new 1984 world, adding computers on top of it all.
Not just manual intervention, but they should not scan, mess with or look at any local files.
They cannot see into your computer or harddrives.
They are talking about their online social platforms, not what is on your computer.
@@Ericbjohnston5150who says they can't see your files on your computer. If you connect to their servers while editing your pictures they can see them.
@@Ericbjohnston5150they certainly can if you run their software.
@@Ericbjohnston5150 your'e kidding right ?
They cannot see? It is their code that runs on your machine, so it has access to everything, including your e-mails if they want.
How do you know if they got some data from wherever on your 'puter, encode it and send a few bytes everytime the license is checked ?
Sounds like paranoia, sure. But saying it is not possible is pronoia ?
I am grateful large channels like yourself and Louis Rossmann are covering this. I hope larger channels like Linus Tech Tips also cover this, as I know their team also heavily uses Adobe products. Adobe needs large public blasting to reverse course, change its EULA, and make its terms transparent while respecting its customers' privacy.
I saw this and I’m appalled, big corporations just riding roughshod over us all again. I’m with Tony, privacy is paramount to us all. This is a total disgrace!! 😡
Adobe - this is too far! You can't hold your customers hostage to invasive EULAs!
And yet ... they are. Of course, the customers are free to leave. I know ... I did after _many_ years.
Well, after installing Adobe products just block them in the Fire Wall, both in and out...
If it will affect it's functionality, which I think not much, than it will be a time to go to сrасked product, and let Adobe regret it's new policy by loosing money😅😊
Or use SkyLume for the simple edits😊
seriously though, I cancelled Adobe about 3-4 months ago just because of my adversity to the subscription. I’ve slowly been trying to build a photography workflow only using camera supplied software, or in camera JPGs (Fujifilm simulations and DPP/Canon picture style editor). I think this is going to push people to pirate old software more. And that’s a huge security risk, with which I think the blame could lie with Adobe if some big public hack happened. Be good humans and give us Lightroom and photoshop light, buy once product. You can remove everything newer than a certain year so it doesn’t compete. This would be the harm reduction strategy
The raw file editing software supplied for free by camera manufacturers is actually quite good. Editing programs like Affinity Photo are also quite capable.
Try the open source programs Rawtherapee and Darktable - they may fit your raw editing needs. Both are much more powerful than light room but have a higher learning curve.
I actually liked the features that going to Adobe Creative Cloud brought to the table, like being able to edit photos on my iPad and have that carry over, but I think it's time to start shopping for alternatives. Been debating my $240 per year Adobe fee, when I already have ~3TB available through other services anyways.
Wow, thanks for shedding light on this issue.
Thank you Tony, for bringing this reality to our attention.
I think the creator community needs to band together and have a lobbyist and watch group to oversee the rights of digital creators.
These types of user license agreements must be reviewed by a creators watch geoup before products are released.
What's truly lost, at least in America, and probably the world is loyalty.
Corporate loyalty to the customers that made them the success that they are in large corporations today is completely non-existent !
I have a very strong feeling that this is the first drop of what is going to become an avalanche of software companies that are doing the exact same thing. The recent advancements in Ai technology are going to enable these companies to invade our rights of privacy at a break-neck speed.
We need to stop this, now else will never be able to stop it ! ! !
I completely agree with you on this whole topic. Adobe should walk back this EULA privacy encroachment.
Switch to DXO Photolab. Never looked back.
I do glamour and boudoir photography, and often, if I want to use something like generative fill or generative expand, I get a warning from adobe that it violates some term of service. I've had this happen often on non-nude, non revealing photos, even on headshots, because apparently it goes by how much skin tone is showing? Or something like that. So, if I need to use it for some reason, I have to copy that small part of the image, open it in a new window, process it separately, and then bring it back into the original photo. it's insane to me that this program is judging my work and telling me that I'm not allowed to use a certain tool because this program has deemed it offensive in some way. I don't pay for adobe to be an arbiter of what is acceptable in my images.
Great video, thank you for clarifying the concerning implications of the new agreement!
I gave up on Microsoft, Apple, Adobe ... 25 years ago. For a few years, I have had to use Windows for work. That's all. Using Linux and Gimp has served me very well. I am very grateful for these alternatives. But then, I am not a professional photographer and, as an amateur, all I care about is enjoying the process.
I use windows xp, not connected to anything except my offline printer.
Totally agree, it’s like apple computers since a few years ago, there’s an umbrella part of your hard drive that is greyed out that users have no access or control over it, and that, means you do not have full control over your macs and hence no privacy over it. It’s a device you paid loads for but you DO NOT own it. It’s a trend, doors opened to who knows whom. And the responses are all the same: to protect you and your stuff, so you don’t mess it up accidentally. On your own computer!
I wonder what EU is going to do to them. I'm filling a complaint.
The EU unfortunately isn’t even moving against Microsoft with Windows that can’t be easily set up in a GDPR-compliant way and Windows affects many, many more users than Adobe’s Cloud products.
@@abavariannormiepleb9470and Apple has done malicious compliancy with EU regulations thrown at them recently.
The EU are shouting against big tech in public and enabling them as soon as the public doesn't look.
Talking the same EU that mandates since 2024 that a blackbox and constant cellular connection ('for your safety') has to come with each new car?
The Eu that's just introduced legislation compelling Adobe & any service that hosts data, to do what this video is complaining about? It says Companies should have proactive tools to detect and remove illegal content, in particular for terrorism content and for content which does not need contextualisation to be deemed illegal, such as child sexual abuse material or counterfeited goods... . These safeguards should include human oversight and verification...
Yikes... never been gladder that I'm using Lightroom Classic with Cloud turned off... I process a combo of family photos and professional work, and neither of them are Adobe's business. Will definitely track this. Thanks for sharing this, Tony.
Once again very informative. So sad that Adobe is slowly infringing on all our privacy!! I hope the backlash is deafening!!!!!
I was about to purchase lightroom. Not happening now. This kind of invasive activity is just not ok. Adobe, shame on you.
same here. Glad I dragged my ass-for once.
TOTALLY AGREE!! (I never use capitals :) If there is a petition to Adobe or something to sign, please let us know. And thank you, for pointing this out so well.
Thank you Tony! This is huge of you
My internet went out Sunday. I’m in Houston and it took until Wednesday for ATT to get a tech out to fix my fiber line. I use a desktop and Adobe suite. I figured I would download the files I needed for a video edit to my MacBook Pro at my parents’ and then transfer to my desktop. The MacBook isn’t fast enough for the job. Well, I wasn’t even able to use Premiere Pro or even edit personal vacation photos with Lightroom because Adobe said I needed to connect to them online as part of their anti-piracy protection. I had been online only days before! I couldn’t even launch my software!! Cost me days of work. Would be a pain to take my desktop and large monitor elsewhere to get it online. And I don’t have a personal hotspot with my phone to do it that way.
My friend was complaining about the new Acrobat the other day, as he so many issues.
Now this?!?!
I really need to move to Capture One, Davinci Resolve, etc.
Premiere sucks anyways. Bloated and badly written code. Switch to Davinci, trust me you will never look back.
DXO Photolab is worth checking out against CaptureOne as a LR replacement. I was a C1 user after LR went subscription only, but switched to DxO after C1 kept making their perpetual license terms worse while also charging more.
@@ViziaFilms _"Switch to Davinci, trust me you will never look back."_ 1,000% correct!
@@LV4EVR Amen!
Thank you, Tony. The sad thing is people will carry on not realising the ramifications.
Adobe MUST define the EXACT circumstances where they are looking at my images!
There’s no circumstances they should access your files unless you upload to them on conditions.
@@Yunhaisongtaothat is a view but, as it stands they and everyone else who hosts content, has no choice. Legally they now have to have systems in place to check for illegal content and to have human oversight and checking of it.
@@vincevinnyp9224where did you read/source that?