At the end of the day, it's the Ivy League's choice and they are better off having academics over athletics. Not every college at the D1 level needs football as the end all be all..
Banning post-season play for exams is hilarious these days, given they could take most exams from literally anywhere - which was true even with a pen and paper long before the internet became what it is today. Another way the Ivies could maintain academic excellence (if legal): do a scholarship endowment, funded by an NIL Partnership, but have higher GPA requirements, AND make the scholarship rescindable for students who enter the draft and drop out of school - that is, make the scholarship contingent on successful graduation from their bachelors. Make them play all the way through their undergrad.
As a Columbia grad, I don't get this post-season ban in football only. All other sports can compete in post-season play. I do agree that athletic scholarships are a thing to avoid unless the student athletes maintain their academics
To add to the absurdity that is the Ivy League banning postseason because of "exams"....they send their champion to the basketball tournament, which happens during.....exams.
@@RichV20 Anyone on the quarter system would be having winter finals in March. Dartmouth at least, from what I found, is still on quarters. But I could be completely wrong. But ok. Let's say most or all are on semesters and don't have finals til May. They let the baseball champ play in the NCAAs as well. Volleyball and other fall sports as well with a late November/early December tournament. I'm not against them prioritizing academics at all, more schools should. But it's just a weak excuse to not send a football team out on a Saturday in December when you send other teams out during finals through the year.
Harvards Varsity Club would be the top NIL collective and if you get athletes on that team they retake their record for most football titles quicker than you think
As a Johns Hopkins lacrosse fan (They play D1 in the Big Ten) i relish in being the "Nerdy and powerful connections" school with a lot of history in the sport. If anything it makes us the "Good guys" as a real historic institution with a century of history under our belt with the villains being Maryland, the sports over-achiever. Even though the sport itself is dominated by the better half of State schools and a few elite ones like Michigan & Virginia. Yale even once had a championship recently & the Private Catholic Loyola of Baltimore did it once over a decade ago.
Great video! Academics can still be the priority and build competitive football programs, able to compete at the highest level. Look at Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Duke etc. They have the money! They are more about their 'tradition.'
I love watching Ivy League football. I look at it as more like chess: they have to be more strategic given they can't recruit based on athletic giftedness. Still, it's worth noting that a number of ivy league alumni end up in the NFL.
Very intriging hypothetical conference but I think it comes down to cost/benefit and they basically feel that as an institution/brand they have more to gain by not re-engaging with the FBS. Plus such decisions would probably have to be made unanimously
The bottom line is the Ivy League values academics even differently then the schools you listed. Duke, Notre Dame, Stanford, and schools of those vein do have excellent academics but their values simply aligned differently. Now banning post season play in football is ridiculous cause they do allow other sports teams in their conference to take part in postseason activities, most notably the NCAA Tournament. I have always wondered if it was a thing of vanity that made them stop allowing postseason play in football. They were allowed to compete with the big boys in the NCAA Basketball Tournaments but maybe they fell it protects their image to just stay out of postseason play cause lets keep it real. They get kicked around by even FCS schools a lot of the time. I overall think you did a very good job with the video and hope your channel grows.
The one thing the ivy league has going for it is college football is at inflection point. The ncaa is on its way out. A collective of the elite programs will create the next thing. Granted no ivy league schools are going to become part of the next thing directly, but they have an opportunity to improve there fate. For example perhaps the top 60 create there own league its likely they'll make path for the other schools to occasionally make the dance. Perhaps they can be part of the group of those other schools.
I understand the academic aspect of not participating in the postseason in the FCS, but they do in basketball? okay. Now I know that FCS Playoffs do not benefit these schools from a financial standpoint, hell most of these schools that made deep playoff run are dam near in a deficient. but just claiming the IVY Championship is not what it used to be.
Ivy League does not allow Graduate eligibility, basketball player EJ Jarvis of Yale decided to transfer to Florida. Abby Meyers who was the Ivy Women's Basketball player of the year, decided to transfer to Maryland was drafted first by the Dallas Wings in the WNBA got cut and did two hardship player tours of duty with the Washington Mystics.
Yes, the Ivy League essentially invented modern football. However, when they did so the idea was for the game to be recreational and nothing more. College football culture today and the Ivy League exist on two separate planets. And there is nothing wrong with that.
@@sunny1992s Fun fact, a southern ivy league almost happened. It was going to be called The Magnolia League. The conference would have had Vanderbilt, SMU, Rice, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Tulane, William & Mary, Miami, and even Davidson.
Current Yale student here. I see absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining the current standards of no athletic scholarship and no NIL. To be honest, the culture here is not built for and would be very openly hostile to that (unfortunately, that’s just the truth). However I agree on one point, which is that being unable to play postseason games is absolutely indefensible. Not 100% on this, but I’m pretty sure football is literally the only sport this applies to. Football culture at Yale is absolutely dead, and I hate it as a lover of college football. The ability to actually play for something meaningful like a conference champ or playoff spot I think is all you need to get people interested. Last year we had to SHARE the conference championship with Harvard because we can’t actually play a real championship game. Such a bummer. I know everyone on campus would go crazy for that!
I reckon it’ll happen once they completely disconnect the football from the academics - SEC is gunning for that future, but once the teams are brands rather than schools…
I’ll stick with the Ivies. Clearly this kid is still loaded with teenage hormones and values. I love watching my team (Princeton) compete with other Ivies for the IL Championship, regardless of how outsiders may view it. Even if we are not loaded with All Americans, the teams play just as hard and the competition between schools is just as heartfelt as that between the most prominent football factories. The biggest difference is the order of values. In the IL, sports are extracurricular and not considered Carter skills. For the vast majority, team sports end after college. As for the travesty of NIL funds and the transfer tunnel, the effects are to turn college programs into semi pro leagues and talented athletes into hitchhikers shopping around each year for the best offer. One can’t blame them. But how can you develop team loyalty and cohesiveness among teammates who may see each other on opposite sides the next season. Just because we stick to our values and the priority of academics over athletics doesn’t mean we are wrong. We simply have different priorities. We like to live in the present and plan for the future rather than complete our glory days in our 20s and spend the rest of our lives looking back.
@@johnpoole8451 hey Princeton, Columbia grad here……well said and fully agree…and I take particular joy any time we beat you in football given how one sided it has been historically … go tigers, go lions
That was a douchebag response. I understand maintaining academic excellence, and I also think the transfer portal is a bit annoying at times. But some people look at football as their main path, was Joe Burrow or Cam Newton wrong to transfer? NIL is a different monster, but the truth is the players bring in the money (a fucking ton of money lmao) so I really don't see much of an issue. It would definitely fuck with the integrity of your schools, but I don't think competing in postseason would. It's weird because they could do both, just play in the FCS playoffs instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but FCS players don't get any NIL deals.
You misplaced priorities. Non Ivies surrendered academic superiority. If they cared, they would offer scholarships. More Dame and Vandy demand athletes meet standard scholastic criteria. Your name calling is a large non sequitur, not an argument.
At the end of the day, it's the Ivy League's choice and they are better off having academics over athletics. Not every college at the D1 level needs football as the end all be all..
Banning post-season play for exams is hilarious these days, given they could take most exams from literally anywhere - which was true even with a pen and paper long before the internet became what it is today.
Another way the Ivies could maintain academic excellence (if legal): do a scholarship endowment, funded by an NIL Partnership, but have higher GPA requirements, AND make the scholarship rescindable for students who enter the draft and drop out of school - that is, make the scholarship contingent on successful graduation from their bachelors. Make them play all the way through their undergrad.
As a Columbia grad, I don't get this post-season ban in football only. All other sports can compete in post-season play.
I do agree that athletic scholarships are a thing to avoid unless the student athletes maintain their academics
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To add to the absurdity that is the Ivy League banning postseason because of "exams"....they send their champion to the basketball tournament, which happens during.....exams.
Exam Week is in March? In the Ivies? I dont think so. Mid-terms maybe, not Finals.
@@RichV20 Anyone on the quarter system would be having winter finals in March. Dartmouth at least, from what I found, is still on quarters. But I could be completely wrong.
But ok. Let's say most or all are on semesters and don't have finals til May. They let the baseball champ play in the NCAAs as well. Volleyball and other fall sports as well with a late November/early December tournament. I'm not against them prioritizing academics at all, more schools should. But it's just a weak excuse to not send a football team out on a Saturday in December when you send other teams out during finals through the year.
Harvards Varsity Club would be the top NIL collective and if you get athletes on that team they retake their record for most football titles quicker than you think
As a Johns Hopkins lacrosse fan (They play D1 in the Big Ten) i relish in being the "Nerdy and powerful connections" school with a lot of history in the sport. If anything it makes us the "Good guys" as a real historic institution with a century of history under our belt with the villains being Maryland, the sports over-achiever. Even though the sport itself is dominated by the better half of State schools and a few elite ones like Michigan & Virginia. Yale even once had a championship recently & the Private Catholic Loyola of Baltimore did it once over a decade ago.
Great video! Academics can still be the priority and build competitive football programs, able to compete at the highest level. Look at Northwestern, Georgia Tech, Vanderbilt, Duke etc. They have the money! They are more about their 'tradition.'
I love watching Ivy League football.
I look at it as more like chess: they have to be more strategic given they can't recruit based on athletic giftedness.
Still, it's worth noting that a number of ivy league alumni end up in the NFL.
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Most accurate prediction that could never happen
Very intriging hypothetical conference but I think it comes down to cost/benefit and they basically feel that as an institution/brand they have more to gain by not re-engaging with the FBS. Plus such decisions would probably have to be made unanimously
The bottom line is the Ivy League values academics even differently then the schools you listed. Duke, Notre Dame, Stanford, and schools of those vein do have excellent academics but their values simply aligned differently. Now banning post season play in football is ridiculous cause they do allow other sports teams in their conference to take part in postseason activities, most notably the NCAA Tournament. I have always wondered if it was a thing of vanity that made them stop allowing postseason play in football. They were allowed to compete with the big boys in the NCAA Basketball Tournaments but maybe they fell it protects their image to just stay out of postseason play cause lets keep it real. They get kicked around by even FCS schools a lot of the time. I overall think you did a very good job with the video and hope your channel grows.
The one thing the ivy league has going for it is college football is at inflection point. The ncaa is on its way out. A collective of the elite programs will create the next thing. Granted no ivy league schools are going to become part of the next thing directly, but they have an opportunity to improve there fate. For example perhaps the top 60 create there own league its likely they'll make path for the other schools to occasionally make the dance. Perhaps they can be part of the group of those other schools.
I understand the academic aspect of not participating in the postseason in the FCS, but they do in basketball? okay. Now I know that FCS Playoffs do not benefit these schools from a financial standpoint, hell most of these schools that made deep playoff run are dam near in a deficient. but just claiming the IVY Championship is not what it used to be.
Ivy League does not allow Graduate eligibility, basketball player EJ Jarvis of Yale decided to transfer to Florida. Abby Meyers who was the Ivy Women's Basketball player of the year, decided to transfer to Maryland was drafted first by the Dallas Wings in the WNBA got cut and did two hardship player tours of duty with the Washington Mystics.
The Ivy League schools can never compete with p4 schools in todays cfb landscape
Brown grad here. Interesting perspective..
Great video
Great Video!
Yes, the Ivy League essentially invented modern football. However, when they did so the idea was for the game to be recreational and nothing more. College football culture today and the Ivy League exist on two separate planets. And there is nothing wrong with that.
Rice whould make the best candidate for the eighth FBS Ivy School.
I feel Rice is too far away from the northeast to be in the Ivy. Academically, yes its basically an Ivy League school- just in Houston.
@@sunny1992s Fun fact, a southern ivy league almost happened. It was going to be called The Magnolia League. The conference would have had Vanderbilt, SMU, Rice, Duke, Georgia Tech, Wake Forest, Tulane, William & Mary, Miami, and even Davidson.
Current Yale student here. I see absolutely nothing wrong with maintaining the current standards of no athletic scholarship and no NIL. To be honest, the culture here is not built for and would be very openly hostile to that (unfortunately, that’s just the truth). However I agree on one point, which is that being unable to play postseason games is absolutely indefensible. Not 100% on this, but I’m pretty sure football is literally the only sport this applies to. Football culture at Yale is absolutely dead, and I hate it as a lover of college football. The ability to actually play for something meaningful like a conference champ or playoff spot I think is all you need to get people interested. Last year we had to SHARE the conference championship with Harvard because we can’t actually play a real championship game. Such a bummer. I know everyone on campus would go crazy for that!
Your drip in this video is water
I reckon it’ll happen once they completely disconnect the football from the academics - SEC is gunning for that future, but once the teams are brands rather than schools…
nothing wrong with choosing academics over athletics. good choice by the ivy league.
I’ll stick with the Ivies. Clearly this kid is still loaded with teenage hormones and values. I love watching my team (Princeton) compete with other Ivies for the IL Championship, regardless of how outsiders may view it. Even if we are not loaded with All Americans, the teams play just as hard and the competition between schools is just as heartfelt as that between the most prominent football factories. The biggest difference is the order of values. In the IL, sports are extracurricular and not considered Carter skills. For the vast majority, team sports end after college. As for the travesty of NIL funds and the transfer tunnel, the effects are to turn college programs into semi pro leagues and talented athletes into hitchhikers shopping around each year for the best offer. One can’t blame them. But how can you develop team loyalty and cohesiveness among teammates who may see each other on opposite sides the next season. Just because we stick to our values and the priority of academics over athletics doesn’t mean we are wrong. We simply have different priorities. We like to live in the present and plan for the future rather than complete our glory days in our 20s and spend the rest of our lives looking back.
this is the most ivy league response imaginable.
@@johnpoole8451 hey Princeton, Columbia grad here……well said and fully agree…and I take particular joy any time we beat you in football given how one sided it has been historically … go tigers, go lions
That was a douchebag response. I understand maintaining academic excellence, and I also think the transfer portal is a bit annoying at times. But some people look at football as their main path, was Joe Burrow or Cam Newton wrong to transfer? NIL is a different monster, but the truth is the players bring in the money (a fucking ton of money lmao) so I really don't see much of an issue. It would definitely fuck with the integrity of your schools, but I don't think competing in postseason would. It's weird because they could do both, just play in the FCS playoffs instead. Correct me if I'm wrong, but FCS players don't get any NIL deals.
Personally I think the last time should be William and Mary out of Virginia one of the only colonial colleges that’s big and not in the ivy league
You misplaced priorities. Non Ivies surrendered academic superiority. If they cared, they would offer scholarships. More Dame and Vandy demand athletes meet standard scholastic criteria. Your name calling is a large non sequitur, not an argument.
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