The OpenAI Saga Explained
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On Friday, OpenAI's board fired founder & CEO Sam Altman to the anger of their investors and employees over alleged safety concerns. So in this video, we'll explore this situation, and how a multi-billion dollar business was almost ruined overnight.
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00:00 Introduction
01:08 OpenAI’s Weird Structure
06:01 Altman’s Sacking
08:26 What Happens Next?
09:07 Too Long (The Newspaper)
UPDATE: In the early hours of Wednesday morning, Sam Altman was reappointed as OpenAI CEO under a new board, including former Salesforce chief Bret Taylor and former US Treasury secretary Larry Summers. Fortunately for us, most of this video is still relevant, given that it's mainly focused on OpenAI's weird semi-profit structure, so we hope you nonetheless enjoy the video!
For how long though ???
This is a huge victory for Microsoft. Salesforce is a key ally of Microsoft and now that Altman and the OpenAI team are guaranteed by Microsoft, OpenAI can turn to developing more quickly, which in turn, goes right back to being good for Microsoft's 49%.
This video Hoax
Perhaps do an update in a week or so.
You AI RUclipsrs Need to Update each 25 min Like news fly at Chabot speed
"A conflict of interests between investors who wanted profits and the interests of humanity." Who ever heard of such a thing.
Capitalism in a nutshell
And of course, investors with a charismatic figurehead can afford a lot more astroturf than a boring old board handling things quietly like they are supposed to.
"Avengers: Age of Altman"
Someone on the editing team has been having fun
Age of I
😂
Using the image of Clippy to represent a single-minded AI perfectly fine with wiping out humanity was genius. Anyone who lived through his years of false helpfulness will find that believable.
But also, it’s a real thing, Clippy is in the end pure evil.
Cilppy’s false helplessness reminds me a lot of ChatGPT.
Pretty sure Clippy was Satan
Despite the board being set up to 'represent the interests of humanity', they sure did a pretty poor job of communicating with humanity what their decision was and why. Had they been 'a little more candid', this whole ordeal could have had massively different press.
Absolutely. They had the opportunity to oust Altman as an 'enemy of humanity' and a corporate sellout, before removing him.
Instead, they made some extremely dumb moves, became the enemy of everyone and gave Altman even more power...
Since when have a bunch of techies been the most articulate liaisons for the general public regarding the intricacies and nuances of a bungeeing technology, that they and public barely understand…
Apparently, they were not able to explained it to 730 of their 770 employees…
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@@SjorsHoukes-vb5ebcrypto is going to lose you money in the long term.
Beep. Boop. I too am human having human sounding conversations about some dude selling crypto. 🙄
The Board was set up to represent the 'interests of humanity'.
Interesting.
Sam Altman raped his sister Annie Altman.
as a member of Humanity, they dont represent me
More interesting is that they considered themselves this in taking action and firing Altman, only to be usurped by the very large capitalist corporation that done away with it's own AI ethics board.
All hail the rise of Clippy 2.0.
@@raduromanesti6408😂😂me too
It's a big buzz word but essentially they're just an ethics and humanities forum.
I understand why we always associate Microsoft with Bill Gates, but these days his influence on his former company is minimal, he sold most of his shares. That move was all on Satya Nadella, MS's current CEO.
Until this video, I had the wrong impression that this was an issue of board of directors overreach and push for profits, against the well meaning CEO and employees, but as it turns out, I am 100% wrong in that, and it is in fact a moral board fighting against typical, blind employees who just want full freedom to innovate, morals being pushed to the background. Skynet here we come.
skynet is science ficiton. You don't give AI control of weapons or especially nukes. how will a chatbot kill us all?
That's plausible. But there's also another possibility: When they say the AI is _"dangerous"_ what they actually mean is _"It says things I disagree with, so I want more control over it."_
Agre perfectly with you. I think the gov should bud in and just check what is being done. The AI is like the start of internet and might go into being full darknet.
Doing good is also implanting chips in people but might be hacked. And it goes sideways.
Sam Altman raped his sister Annie Altman.
interest of humanity goes out of the window as soon as u dangle some money in front of human. we are doomed
Corporations see too much profit in AGI so Open AI has lost.
OpenAI has bills to pay like employees and compute, you know...
Without profit, there won't be AI systems like ChatGPT available for everyone to use. Technically, OpenAI hasn't lost, as long as they are focusing on the safety for their users...
@@huytranvan2754 not for profit doesn’t mean that they can’t get revenue just like Wikipedia has ways to fund itself. It just means that their objective isn’t profit, but providing a service/innovating/changing stuff
@@huytranvan2754 Broaden out. What has been the story of the last 50yrs of government? The corporations have taken over because they have all the money.
Yup. Humanity itself is corrupt. OpenAI may try to do the right thing but others won’t.
That assumes the board were altruistic. Most likely they were greedy too, but lost.
I've not finished the video yet but it kinda seems like the board are... the good guys?
I think they're probably the overly-cautious guys. It's like they decided their own product was basically Skynet and we should just stop. Unless they've got something truly terrifying in their lab, I don't think we're at that stage yet.
I agree the same. Which is rediculous. So they were just preventive and being safe instead of running an unsafe thing. Ehh dont worry is ok. Maybe ai will hack and have acces to nuclear weapons. Is like the self driving cars. Some people will have massive accidents but is ok.
Being a CEO is kind of building a product. the engineers just want the idea and money to work thats why they want to quit.
"Weve build the most important AI in the world. "
If you assume they were entirely truthful in their reasons for firing Altman.
@@cazman182 by how the video is presented i think yes. If there is different versions im happy to listen. But till now i tought altman was the good guy. But he seems to not care about repercussions that much.
No, they are corporate fools who were stifling the innovation based on the current low IQ hysteria that's pervading the public conscious. Just like the satanic panic, tv's are destroying the youth, calculators are evil hysterias. It's hilarious and pathetically laughable at the same time. Too many people basing their decisions on Sci-fi films. When A.Is are given actually functional bodies, the ability to program themselves and full autonomy, then we can have a talk about the dangers. Maybe in 100 years from now lol
I'm curious as to why few people are wondering about Adam D'Angelo's involvement of this. He is on the board and is the CEO of Quora. Quora launched Poe earlier this year, which has a new feature where users can make custom chatbots - oh wait that's the same product OpenAI just launched... it would be a shame if OpenAI took over the market for that rendering Poe useless....
It's a MASSIVE conflict of interest having D'Angelo on the board. There's a possibility he's behind this too, wanting OpenAI to fail so his company's product can succeed.
In the end, we can't pin it on one person, or maybe even one side, but I put more weight on D'Angelo partly based on me not seeing people talk about it, but also his involvement at all seems real off to me...
Did not expect to side basically completely with yhe board.
The thought "everything will be fine" is naive as hell.
It's funny how "Luddites" are used as an example, because Luddites weren't angry at the machines, but at corporate leadership who demanded to replace WFH cottage industry artisans without support in favor of easily replaceable factory workers at much lower pay, scheduling freedom, and human dignity. In fact there was discussion about taxing the difference in productivity to support those WFH weavers who were too old to change careers so dramatically -- literally a UBI back in the 1800s 🪡
The whole Luddite = anti-tech definition came from the most successful propaganda campaign in modern history.
Color me shocked that, in the end, profits will trump safety. My whole world has turned absolutely upside-down.
they tried to set up a company structure where it didn't happen and it nearly worked
And it's a good thing, too.
OpenAI is an awful company. They have this very authoritarian mindset that they're the ones who get to dictate what's moral (or "safe", if you will) and what isn't, and they want to push their notion of morality onto literally everyone. This manifests in their products as well; they are lobotomized by political correctness and narrow-minded "moral norms". Just ask ChatGPT literally anything and you'll see it yourself: it's always "I'm sorry Dave, I'm not allowed to do that".
They have no right to decide what's "in the best interests of humanity" and should just focus on making a good product. As such, this development seems like a step in the right direction.
Computefile stamp video. Always great recommendation.
Profits lead to downfall I believe it.
Excellent. I've placed my order for the newspaper!
good vid!
I liked you guys standing, differently from common news 😊
mackbook and mic setup is very nice.
As a GenX, I have some nostalgia of "paper" newspapers and magazines 🙂 Just bought a copy of Too Long now!
It will be intresting to see if Sam supports large taxation or other forms of returns from AI companies when they start to become large considering he has in past said he'd support this. Or alternatively if the non-profit mindset will bleed away as the billions come in. I'd bet on the second, sadly.
Thr board may be right to err on the side of caution. However, I think this is problem caused by OpenAI took huge amounts of investors money but not allow any investor representation on the board. Asking and taking investor money essentually make it go from non-profit to partially-for-prrofit. It should have a 50:50 split board as a result to reprsent both sides. Had they done that, no one side could just overrule and outst the other side, avoiding this fiasco and maintaining a balaced approach to AI developement.
Bribes are a thing and almost everyone has a price. Would only need to pay off some of the non profit poeple behind closed doors.
The layman fears AI too much. The board is moronic. Let the smart people do what they must to push humanity forward.
This is now what's been done to their board now that Altman is the CEO again
@@bloodfiredrake7259 Enter Skynet in 2030..
The theory that it was because an AGI is around the corner and the board wanted to prevent that by slowing the research down sound way too much like science fiction and way too unrealistic (as there are other companies apart from OpenAI out there still researching AI even if OpenAi had lost its market position) to me.
After reading up on this topic, there is this theory that does stick with me:
It was indeed a conflict of interest - between investor(s) (mostly Microsoft and Sam) and the board and the board itself. The members ousting Sam all had a vested interest either in slowing the development of ChatGPT down:
F.e. Adam is the CEO of QUORA which was losing market share fast and with the features just announced on DevDay for ChatGPT it would be a major competitor with his own company Poe (a few days prior to DevDay Adam announced a paid dev tool for Poe, while ChatGPTs would be free)
or
just firing Altman: F.e. Sam was trying to get Helen off the board, and she might have agreed to get him fired first to preserve her seat.
...Tough admittedly the theory is a bit strange as Adam is still a member of the new board.
Glad you remembered the account password. Missed you guys
Leap to conclusions. Just because one side says safety, doesn't mean that profits are put over safety. The job of the company is to move forward. We don't really know if the safety concerns are warrented.
The paper clip maximizer 😄
"...elections from around the world" Minus Ghana🇬🇭? 😏
At this point I hope roko's basilisk is a real thing.
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one big paperclip or countless tiny paper clips
he got rehired a few hours ago lol
So jealousy is now called "interests of humanity".
You’re creating a physical, paper newspaper? Hey, I get the nostalgia value and all, as I grew up in the 70’s - 80’s, but in the longer term, there is a reason why newspapers are dying at an ever-accelerating rate. There is the planet thing too, but alas…
Still super curious what are the board's true intention.
The Michael Scott tactic.
Let's rush it.
Just think if OpenAI invented an AI that produced brooms as in Sorcerer's Apprentice!
PS - wondering if AI will be used to review past and current published scientific papers to identity dodgy or faked data? Or true errors?
Who's the incompetent editor that put Bill Gates instead of Satya Nadela in that graphic?
So the board representing humanity's interests wanted to get rid of Sam Altman, but now he's back and the board is gone? We're screwed.
6:00 That's not a "conflict of interest" that's just a conflict
Bill Gates is no longer the face of Microsoft. I wonder why you're using hi.
Probably not enough instructions to their editors… definitely something they need to work on. More care for the details.
Based on the NYTimes article on the subject, it seems like what happened was Helen Toner thought there wasn't enough safety testing, and decided to say so... by publishing a public paper implying that OpenAI is rushed and dangerous, while competitor Antrhopic is measured and responsible. Sam told her that airing her concerns that way damages public trust in the company (which it does), and she responded by saying, "no, it's just a research paper". Sam basically said that if she thinks the company is so dangerous that she's willing to ruin their reputation over it, then she shouldn't be a board member of a company she feels that way about. As soon as there were real discussions to remove her from the board... she staged a coup to get Sam out before he could get her out.
So while the start of it was a disagreement over safety vs speed, the proximal cause was a disagreement over how to handle that disagreement, and then a self-preservation ploy when there were consequences for Helen's actions.
It's also way oversimplifying to say it's "money vs safety". Sam is not extremely technical, but Greg is. And so are the three lead researchers who immediately quit to join Sam. And so are most of the 700 employees who threatened to do the same. These are people -- and many of them -- who are all experts in the field, and who have the same data Helen has, but who came to the conclusion that the amount of testing they've been doing is sufficient. It's absolutely possible, and even common, for experts to interpret the same data differently, and that's okay. What's not okay is one expert ruining the reputations of 700 others over a disagreement, then staging a coup when they try to get her to handle that disagreement like an adult professional.
If you disagree with management, you have a few options. You can discuss it with them and try to compromise, you can stay and accept their decisions, or you can leave and find a new position somewhere that fits your ideals better. Not everyone has that opportunity, but Helen Toner certainly did (though maybe not anymore). What you don't do is try to ruin the people you disagree with and then plot a coup. That's more like Elon Musk levels of immature pettiness.
It's crazy that this video was released 3 hours ago and is already old news! Lol!
The Too Long newspaper is a good idea im sad its a one off i think it may do better as a subscription service
It's only a $80 billion based on the BS market evaluation which we all know is a load of crap
"Aristocracy" vs. Investors
So if the boss and the employees leave and Microsoft pulls its Stake out. Its done.
"representing the interests of humanity". yeah, sure.
this is a huge win for our evil ai overlords
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idk if we can trust this Altman guy, I mean look at his eyebrows
That pic of Elon doing the finger guns with the word balloon saying we got nothing is the funniest thing u guys have ever done
He was reinstated almost a fay before this video was posted lmao
This is one hell of a coup for Microsoft. I sure wished i had bought more stock before last week
Ai and humanity, I don't even think all humans have humanity. Also it's subjective on so many different levels, ie capital punishment is inhuman in the EU but some nations still practice it. It's just an example. Personally I don't care about ai as long as it follows constitutional rule.
Tbh knowing AI makes this so funny. Like Sam thinks rushing Ai while this AI bubble exists is a good idea,but there's a reason AI is used along side humans and not by itself. And it's not from lack of trying. It's from Ai really just being much more limited than people think. Computers are too dumb.
He's not going to make a miracle Ai. No one is going to make Data from Star Trek any time soon. And I wouldn't be surprised if this bubble came crashing down like the Metaverse bubble did.
Thank you it's so weird seeing people talking about Ai like we are on the verge of Data level AI. That is probably centuries away if ever.
And oddly enough, it is getting more and more limited every year. So much money (and its associated career options) has flowed into ML based systems that the other disciplines have been dying off, so we have been backsliding in AI for the last decade or so. Cheaper and cheaper hardware has kept the illusion of progress moving, but the actual math has hit a wall.
I think OpenAI is like Google or Facebook in their infancy: revolutionary and loved. Time time, they'll rot, but something else will take their place. Something always takes their place.
Yeah -there's no Data but I think the worry from experts at the intersection real world security and AI; is about deception and information spam.
Right now good/targeted misinformation or general information warfare needs skilled people, resorces and time, AI language models may become the 'machine guns' to the current 'muskets'.
I'll confidently predict that this current so-called AI nonsense will end in _yet another_ *AI Winter,* when investors finally realise that ChatGPT is basically just hype that has nothing to do with real-world intelligence.
I've been working in the IT industry since 1989 and I've seen a couple of AI Winters already. This current hype will still end the same way.
Executing fast algorithms with large input data sets isn't akin to being intelligent. 🙄 _Duh!_
Previous technologies beneficial? There's no doubt that burning hydrocarbons has been helpful. Doesn't mean it is risk free.
I know this video was posted before Sam's reinstatement but my criticism is about something else
When saying "Microsoft" you shouldnt use a picture of Bill Gates as if he was still the boss ... he hasnt been involved with Micrisoft for many years at this point
the picture should instead be of Satya Nadella , Microsoft's current CEO
Wow Thats one popular boss
im no expert but wouldn't a good solution to the ai problem be to have it make plans without giving it the ability to impalement them itself an example is if an ai made plans that required a morally unpalatable element just reassign the task stipulating it cant use the problem element in the plan in essence have a human review the work and act as its moral compass
because it's so much smarter (eventually) it can outsmart that human, so there is no control 😕
play the paperclip game its fun
alert("hi")
Are we surprised that money wins 😢
People have trouble respecting human values so how do you expect a machine to.
In case anyone cares, there's a clicker game based on paperclip maximizer named "Universal Paperclips".
it's still loo long. is there a short that goes along with this?
I'm stealing this whole get up nee gah
I didn't say it I typed it. Hopefully that is less racist . . .
Wasn't that guy accused by his sister of raping her repeated times when she was a child? I think I remember something about that some time ago
SAM ALTMAN RAPED HIS SISTER ANNIE ALTMAN
let her bring proof of that.
Altman looks to me as a younger version of Ted Faro, lol.
People going to end themselves. Just give up and watch the show finale.
LMAO why did you show Billy G for Microsoft? Should have been Satya. I think Bill is pretty clearly on the "Don't destroy humanity" side of the Civil War here.
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An* not a (80 billion dollar investment
SAM ALTMAN RAPED HIS SISTER ANNIE ALTMAN****** ***
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The board members that voted him out are done
Charismatic ceo's who are getting all the attention and that are being worshiped as if they are celebrities, where have I seen this before?
There is no such thing as AI and never will be. Ultimately, it's still human developers behind the concept who use programming to compare patterns in billions of objects to have a chatbot create grammatically correct text, fill in images based on surrounding pixels, or machines to move in certain ways like assembly lines to create products that might benefit us.
To create ethical AI that is actually going to be used, you also have to be the best in the field, and the first. For that you need money. And quickly. So don't all act like this is a clear ethics VS greed issue. If they'd put creating ethical AI above all else then by the time they have all the ethical issues solved and created an actual product, some competitor with other priorities will have released an AI that is far ahead and nobody will care that it's not the most pure, ethical, altruistic, caring, humanity-loving thing ever.
This video is superlative.
SAM ALTMAN RAPED HIS SISTER ANNIE ALTMAN.
Is it just me, or do tech executives seem to have no idea what they're doing these days?
Endlessly chasing get-rich-quick schemes peddled by obvious grifters off the edge of a cliff, at the behest of equally clueless shareholders.
Sorry to break this to you but it isnt restricted to tech executives or these days...
@@somecuriosities I feel like there's a difference between the normal level of fail-upwards incompetence we've always seen and the utter clownshow going on in Silicon Valley.
@@iainawatson 2 of the board memvbers are with the CIA, one is autistic, one was fired and the last one is known for working for MEta and running a badly working helpsite.
ClosedAI
I'm just not convinced that AI poses any more of a threat than nuclear weapons. So what if it exists, hope it doesn't go aray
Well a sec, im team sam, but if the board was more open about what happened rather than clamming up as they did (prob as per lawyers) they would have had a chance at splitting public opinion esp those who work at openai. Instead by staying silent everyone felt like this was somekind of outside coup from out of touch board member who wanted more power for themselves or had conflicts of interests. Esp seemed less about safety when the head of safety, Ilya switched sides. meh, i think in the future safety will be more important at higher regimes. Hopefully it gets funded and isn't just laughed out of the room or axed like meta.
The irony of Elon Musk both warning us against the dangers of AI and simultaneously financing and sitting on the board of a company highly criticised for pushing AI hard without appropriate respect for humanity, and our problems, is not lost on me. Musk is one of a very small number of people who I would rather not have around.
He was pushed out of OpenAI years ago, and has been very critical of their direction since then.
Your living in upside down world where CNN tells you what to think and Sam Is the good guy
Yeah you’ve got this completely wrong i’m afraid buddy. You couldn’t find a bigger critic of OpenAI than Elon.
I don't watch CNN or any other American news source, for that matter. They have a history of showing only what they want you to know about.@@soggybiscuit6098
Interesting that this wasn't mentioned in this video at all, after they showed him on the board. I think this needs an update. @@andybrice2711
There is no context in which boomers aren't awful.
Please clean the camera lens!
It's safe to say that a certain member of the board will not be invited to any board ever again.
All this fearmongering of AI is depressing to watch as a compsci graduate.
There certainly is a problem of excessive fearmongering but you should understand, that fearmongering only exists if the society have a legitimate fear of something, and as long as that fear exist, the media will take advantage of that fear.
And as far as I know, the tech industry as a whole, and the guys on top of it still fails to acknowledge and are outright disregarding the fact that there is a real and valid concerns about it... thus, fearmongering.
But what is going to happen with these serious (although possibly bogus (she could be a pathological liar)) pedophilic sexual assualt claims by his sister???
Is it just me with the impression that the board was actually right?
quelques soit l'issue microsoft s'en sortira gagnant, comme par hasard
The interest of "humanity" 😅
It's kind of weird that this board of directors has potentially the whole of the future of humanity resting on its decisions. It's certainly not a good thing but I don't really see a better way of doing the governance here. Ideally you'd want this to be thoroughly democratic, since everyone on earth is a stakeholder here. But then, 99% of voters don't understand or even care about this stuff, even if it could change their lives...
Either way, it's certainly a better structure than the standard "one share, one vote" for private companies. Good to see that they at least aren't too short-sighted to realise that no amount of profit is worth risking human extinction for - you can't spend that money everyone including you is dead!
Okay, nothing to see here. Move along. Jimmy ahhm.. I meant Altman for president 🙂.
Is your talking head video segment an ungraded Log file?
It's weirdly washed out.
Avengers Age of Altman
Avengers Assemble
Tobacco kills millions per year.
Humans: "we are fine about that"
Artificial intelligence
Humans: no no no, it will kill us.
just give the ai general intelligence. we're all gonna die at some point, maybe it won't kill us all. It's not like things aren't currently going to hell anyway
Is it really accurate to use Bill Gates to represent Microsoft these days?