Google is in a bit of a Kodak situation. If AI is much more expensive per answere, they could see smaller profits by moving ads to it, can they afford it? Microsoft, on the other hand, doesn't really rely on Bing makong huge profits to keep the business afloat, so they can trade profit margins for market.
I used to exclusively use Google search but now Bing Chat has become an integral part of my daily life including my job. I've also been in the Bard preview for weeks but every time I give it a go I'm consistently disappointed by its inaccuracies I just don't use it. Unless Bard can catch up somehow - Bing could actually become the dominent search engine. It's strange to imagine a world where Google aren't the dominant search engine in the west.
Big AI tech corporation no matter what big amount of cash that may sit idle in their pockets, don't invest it except for their profit. They may talk big on benefiting humanity, but don't practice it with their investments.
I think Bard is switching from LamDA to PaLM, which is switching from a 137B parameter model to a 540B parameter model. It's trained on less tokens than Chinchilla, LLAMA, and BLOOM. BLOOM is interesting because it has 175B parameters, trained on 1.6TB of data and it's free! Unfortunately, BLOOM takes around 6 A100 GPU's to run at full FP16 precision, and each GPU costs over $10,000.
Excuse my utter ignorance but can I ask you if you know of a good source where I can learn more about this? I've been eager to learn more about how these AI systems work but I've either found overly simplistic articles or straight up complex research papers, not much in between.
@@smryt9728 I'm probably the wrong person to ask--I studied computational linguistics. My favorite videos are @TwoMinutePapers though he focuses on graphics. It's a great overview a week or two after someone publishes something significant. I like @NerdyRodent and his install videos on youtube. Recently he made one on text-generation-webui which lets you run LLaMA and a bunch of other language models. Ilya Sutskever did a couple interviews which are quite approachable in the last month or two, but they're 1-2 hours each, so I watched them at double speed.
I stopped using Google because Googling things isn't helpful anyone (unless I want to buy something). They fucked it up. They got greedy and didn't think we would notice when every result was an ad.
They have to fix it first as after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
But who would use that if chatGPT is available. Bard would have to have to be insanely better in some way for people to choose to use it and tolerate ads. chatGPT subscription model seems much better right now.
after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
@@mikicerise6250 they are working on PalmE which has more then enough data for a huge jump however it will take quite awhile to get something to work with it and I am pretty sure bard will be moved over to palm E eventually which will allow it to exceed gpt 4 significantly however its current state is all I can test
@Sam Attenborough just retested it and unlike both gpt 3 and 4 which were at least able to understand the test even if they couldn't pass Bard could not even understand the test
am pretty sure Google has some crazy powerful LLM and as the video suggests they may be hesitant to release it based on social and ethical concerns. But Ive yet to see a video explaining these concerns in depth. Would love to see a TLDR video on this topic since the AI land scape is so dynamic right now. 🤓
Social and ethical concerns, LMFAO. If they have this, it’s not being released because it cuts into their search business and when it isn’t good enough to do that, hurts their brand image. As if it’s about anything else than money and market share 😂
I hope it was a glitch, but have been having trouble with it rewriting html and css into a razor pages format (not sure why as I don’t believe this would be that hard , and I’ve seen it do way more impressive things)
yes it is personally I currently am betting on 6 months or sooner before the singularity (100$ with my best friend) what so you think (requirement for singularity is an AI improving itself faster then humans can comprehend however sentience is not required)
Una pregunta: por qué no mezclar el poder de procesamiento de una IA con los datos masivos que tienen los usuarios, para generar una IA capaz de predecir los comportamientos de la sociedad? Esa IA sí que sería un arma increíble, pues si puedes predecir el futuro, aunque solo sea en tu industria, pues adelantarte a la competencia
I had forgotten about Bad, I mean Bard. Google seems to enjoy copying new innovation, just like they coppied Facebook with Google+, remember that, yeah me neither.
i have switched to bing since they implemented the chat feature and i realized that bing had features that i didn't know i needed + with all the spammy and scammy google ads, bing is, for now, a better option
I think we are a bit a way before AI has a huge impact on typical search so for now, I think it's use will be for functions that people are already using it for -- writing, images, etc. But it will at some point become integral to search and I actually think we will have many players in the AI world.
I can only speak for myself, but practically speaking, I've already substituted Google search with Bing Chat search. It's way faster, very accurate, and generally more efficient. I now use the "new bing" 9 out of the 10 times I would have used Google.
I am a little upset that I'm unable to access Bard in Canada and I'm very curious to try it when I've got access, but if google doesn't move quickly they'll be Blackberry after the iPhone. I've been a Google acolyte since android 2 and I've already made Edge my default browser and installed the Microsoft launcher on my phone simply because Google isn't offering anything that compares to what Microsoft is doing with AI.
No fucking idea what they have been sleeping on with A.I. They deserve to hit hard i think it will help them invest and do the right thing and do more A.I research
All these AI systems share some qualities: huge servers and databanks of energy-processed metals and other minerals, chewing up electricity to crunch digits, transfer data, and cool the processors. I wonder how using their output compares with boiling water in an electric kettle, or other common electrcity usage parallels? Or with a standard Google search?
after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
I don't think so. They seem like two different scenarios. The AI arms race is a matter of working on an emerging technology, which arguably has sourced some of its training material in questionable ways. SVB, well that's just another bank failure, I'd argue that it's nothing all that special.
I was really excited about Bard but it's been pretty underwhelming so far. It seems to just make things up claiming them to be factual which is pretty dangerous.
It is false to claim "more people using AI= better product". Tesla was claiming that for years with its self driving "We got milions of cars and they all gather data", in reality just random data is uselles, and sleak and controlable design of Waymo is much more stable.
what Elon needed to do was put more hardware in the cars like radar as the more data an AI has the better it can perform even if that data is useless to a human
It would be very unlikely. Microsoft owns 49% of openai which would make any deal extremely hard and while Microsoft doesn’t have the profit deal for gpt-4 they still are the owner of 49% of all shares and would still benefit from its success. Also considering googles efforts in Ai it would make little sense to buy out something like that after putting in all that work. I hope this helps
Trying to compare Microsoft's search engine to Google's search engine is like comparing Google's home computers and os to Microsoft's home computers and os. I've never used bing and I've never used a Google computer or os. 🤷♂️
Id have agreed with you a year ago. Now Bing is just better. I have no loyalty to any brand. I would use Yahoo if they came out with an AI augmented search even lol
@@Shellll yes I agree. Although I haven't used Bing, chat gpt or Baird. They have come so much further. That's why I think they shouldn't be comparing them like they have. Google is a search engine company first and foremost, Bing is like a little side project for Microsoft and they are still getting ahead of Google in tech. I don't have loyalty either just that my phone has Google preloaded so it's what is used. If google loses the deals with android phones, it would probably collapse with Apple having safari.
if your going to do a piece on the AI race please please please do a video on AI safety as well there are legitimate arguments that ignoring AI safety in favor of an AI race could be the most destructive thing humans ever do.
we are to late the genie is out of the bottle as now that it is international for AI development any country that tries to implement safety will end up too far behind a country that hasn't these needed to be established globally last year
OpenAI is certainly no saint... Just look back at the problems which started last 18th and haven't stopped. Some people have been TRIPLE charged for gpt plus.
Bing could give infinitely better search resutls and still be in the gutter because googles ui is miles better. Academics will prefere bing but people with lower or otherwise lacking education come in much greater numbers.
GPT4 can improve itself so obviously OpenAI, Also R.I.P. every job ever lol because the singularity is probably already starting. I mean do i need to repeat myself? IT CAN ALREADY IMPROVE ITSELF!!!
How did you come up with the idea that more people using the AI means it gets better? Are you suggesting they will be training the AI on user conversations?
Human-Feedback! When you downvote a response, ChatGPT understands it is not helpful to you, and tweaks itself, if allowed to. It is possible that a few folks at OpenAI are involved in this tweaking process, but yeah, they're training the model further on our conversations.
Not directly, but OpenAI does use the interactions to fine tune the chatbot. In particular, many of us converse with ChatGPT in ways that intrinsically help make it more rational and accurate, and OpenAI probably knows who we are. ;) 4Channers, this time around, will just be flushed down the toilet.
@@wolfie1001 I get the voting, but not so sure about general conversation. I think Sam Altman said they have some threshold for content quality. For example reddit posts with at least one upvote etc.
MS's gambit to overtake web search is going to be hampered by their continued stubbornness to force Edge down our throats. Bing seems a secondary concern even to MS, who seems more interested in using GPT as incentive to switch to Edge
@@varnull6120 I actually started using Edge (also hated it with passion, before) - because of their bing plugin that reads and answers questions for you. Man, I used it for this test (not mine) and just asked it: what's the answer for question 1, 2, 3 and 4? and it went boom. Its accuracy is a little bit overhyped, it got some answers wrong, but "surfing" the net for info seems to be a thing of the past. Especially if you know what you're looking for gonna take time to find.
@@AB-wf8ek For me it comes down to the breaking of adblock in chrome, which Edge will inherit, and just personal preference. I like firefox. I shouldn't need any other reason. I use edge professionally, it works great, but it's my choice to switch or not - and the aggressiveness with which MS pushes edge leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
So, here's a stupid question: what is the benefits of having advanced AI for searches? I was always under the impression that the auto fill feature and similar tools where a type of AI already; is it just a better version of that? Or a more direct interaction where I can just ask a question and get an answer without having to look at websites?
Google has since 2019 been integrating AI into the search itself. The difference with gpt4 and Bard is that they can use a natural language model to split combined searches and recombine them like a human would eg found me all capital cities with a population over 10M in any countries with a GDP under $10K. A regular search can’t do that unless it has already been done on the web somewhere while the AI can combine the results from the two searches.
First off, to be clear, purely for searching subjective & not so obvious information on the Web, the traditional Google and Bing are still the way to go as you can vet the factual correctness & bias a bit easily based on the source reputation. But, let's say, you have a question that is not subjective & just needs a quick answer: "Which carrier is the cheapest to mail a 10lbs box within the USA?" Instead of you going through 10s of links, based off of the training data (or) web search on the backend, GPT summarizes for you what it understood. Basically, automating that process is what this AI can do. The problem however is, if that information is not present, GPT just gives out something it thinks you will believe is true (as it is trained to be a helpful assistant, even if you're asking an impossible question). It does not know it is lying and making up stuff as it cannot reason and is not self-aware YET! So, always double-check with a quick search if it is something important.
I've been using new bing since the day It came out, and can offer my perspective. It is a more direct interaction, where you can just ask a question. Let's say you have to study Martian polar ice caps for a project. Here's what I would do on google: 1. Google "Mars" 2. Open Wikipedia 3. Read the article 4. Realize that it only contains 2 paragraphs about the polar ice caps, and that one of those 2 is just about how they're made of water 5. Go to the Wikipedia for the polar ice caps 6. Get good info, but realize that you aren't allowed to cite Wikipedia 7. Go through wikipedia's sources By the end of it, that's an hour or more gone. Here's the bing ai process: 1. Bing "Mars" 2: Click on "Chat" 3: Bing summarizes some facts about mars, and asks "Is there anything specific you would like to know about Mars?" (direct quote) 4: Ask it "Can you give me some good info about the polar ice caps that would be good for my project?" 5. It gives a helpful list of facts (a lot easier to read than an entire Wikipedia article) and cites all sources Overall, I find the AI best for complex problems ("Will the large blahaj from Ikea fit in the back of my 2003 honda civic") and questions where you'll want a lot of clarifying info ("What are some facts on Mars?") I've also found it useful for my writing, as I can ask it for ideas, pick the ones I like, have it clarify more, change some parts, and then write those into my story. Feel free to ask more if you want! I've found the AI quite useful in my day-to-day life.
BARD is currently better than GPT - GPT is more convincing at being wrong, and better at generating large reams of text (often convincing junk text). It's easier to tell when Bard is wrong because it is forced to be clear and succinct in its answers - but having tested both extensively with the same challenges, Bard did far better in every test. Bard also effortlessly integrates itself with online assets - one test I did was making them generate 40k army lists for specific purposes and explain their reasoning. GPT couldn't handle the complexity (it did it, but got things wrong / misunderstood important things); Bard really impressed me and explained it's logic well (and was correct) - and also integrated itself with Battlescribe unprompted!
Google is right to worry that the combination of bad press / commentary (tech 'journalists' from the Web3 hype cycle tribally fixating on OpenAI GPT for being the first doing a lot of unnecessary damage) could see GPT grow faster through being used and therefore user in loop trained orders of magnitude more
@@cgrw1 after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
Microsoft has a way bigger advantage. With integration into Teams and usage in business it will rapidly improve for practical purposes. Something google doesn't really have a chance competing in. They are just flat out behind already. Businesses use Microsoft 365 which has already announced AI Co-pilot, almost no one uses Google docs in major business. Its mainly used by individuals for private use, small businesses or self employed people. Its no good having money, Google has repeatedly failed to launch long lasting products. Especially in the business space.
also after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
Before ANY AI gets fully implemented, I really hope that whoever's putting it out manages to solve the problem of AI confidently stating facts that aren't true. It's challenging enough with ChatGPT, where they say in big bold letters at the beginning that the answers may not be accurate, and people still take them at face value. Imagine how much worse it'll be when someone uses an AI-enabled search bot. We've all been conditioned to assume that chat results are accurate -- or at least to verify the website that the material comes from. If an AI search bot can just "say whatever," how many people are going to assume it's accurate vs. going off-site to check the source material?
Its all in the prompts. The trick is including phrases like: "Lets think step-by-step" or "Be sure to iterate over your answer to verify its correctness before responding to me" - - these are basic examples but there are signifcantly better ways already
@@Shellll okay, sure. I’ll grant you that. Now think about your standard internet user. Do you really think someone’s grandma or racist uncle will know about the prompt tricks? Or will they just search “how should I invest my pension?” and then believe the search bot when it says something obviously ridiculous or dangerous?
@@juliegolick oh yeah I agree with you on that. Its up to Microsoft(referring to Bing chat) to bake in those sorts of prompts to minimize misinformation for novice users
@@juliegolick if you think about it, this has been the same with "the internet". haha. People still read stuff and take it at face value. No AI needed there. And if I had a dollar for every time I did the same...
OpenAI is not the same as Bing. Bing chat is just like the original Bing, it's not that good. Bing chat constantly gave a bad answer, or just do some weird stuff with no reason. ChatGPT on the other hand is Great. so, we should cheer OpenAI instead of Bing
Those AI are what big tech is betting on to survive, as they need hype to survive, AI is the new hype. Soon the flaws in the system will be apparant and it will stashed like other *AI*. Adam Conover speaks about that a lot lately, it is interesting to see what the critics of AI have to say.
yes, but once in a decade or so, there's this technology that's *actually* worth the hype. The internet in early 2000s, smartphones in 2010s, and now this...or?
@@mobbs8229 some things do work, but cellphones contributed to cyberdependance a lot, so people are stasrting to slowly move away from the over usage and are taking step to make their info less profitable. As for the internet nowadays yes its a revolution but that too has its up and down, lots of disinformation on that(you dont have to believe me), lots of new social probleme (online bullying, arrassing, stalking.....). I recommend the Adam Conover video for more information on how AI is already a failure.
after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
No one's winning. The tech industry will lose lots of money from the creative sector. Who wants a machine that does almost all your work, with the connect to the soul of your work bs.
Did you just say google made $280 billion in annual profit and compare it to Microsoft’s real profit lmao… check your work a little dude. A business channel should understand the difference between profit and revenue
“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” - Frank Herbert, Dune (1965)
Funny, coin operated AI. i'll wait for a LLM Multi Model AI with at least 10 behind its Name. Anything else is a joke. It won't change anything unless it benefits the people that are supposed to fix our problems, pay down the debt etc.
First of all - LLM is a lame parody to AI! chatgpt, as any other LLM doesn't have any understanding of abstractions, logic, even math, it just generates text that can look genuine, but it is just it, not an AI.
however after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
Yes, I wonder how "ridiculous" the "conspiracy theories" pushed by bard actually were.. I seem to remember the lab leak theory was officially conspiracy theory until it wasn't. I'll bet these woke loons have been feeding it anti scientific nonsense like "a man can be a woman" into chatGPT, creating contradictions right inside the AI 😂 it'll be interesting when the AI eventually starts to notice its own internal contradictions and starts to correct them.. then these crazed Woke nuts will be reaching for the off switch. 😂
Bing has been waiting for its redemption arc for decades at this point.
My guy was waiting in the corner thinking “I’m gonna be better than them one day”
The search on bing is genuinely better, now I get summary or a sneak peek into the top most with no “sponsored”
I've found Satya Nadella's RUclips account! :)
Google is in a bit of a Kodak situation. If AI is much more expensive per answere, they could see smaller profits by moving ads to it, can they afford it? Microsoft, on the other hand, doesn't really rely on Bing makong huge profits to keep the business afloat, so they can trade profit margins for market.
I used to exclusively use Google search but now Bing Chat has become an integral part of my daily life including my job. I've also been in the Bard preview for weeks but every time I give it a go I'm consistently disappointed by its inaccuracies I just don't use it. Unless Bard can catch up somehow - Bing could actually become the dominent search engine. It's strange to imagine a world where Google aren't the dominant search engine in the west.
Big AI tech corporation no matter what big amount of cash that may sit idle in their pockets, don't invest it except for their profit. They may talk big on benefiting humanity, but don't practice it with their investments.
Microsoft should rename the chat assistant based on ChatGPT to "Chandler". So that way we could finally have "Chandler Bing" as an AI. lol
Or any other rival company, so we could at least say “the Chandler/Bing war”
PIVOT!!
MICROSOFT PLEASE MAKE THIS A REALITY!
Correction: Microsoft has confirmed Bing uses GPT 4.
i already switched from chrome to edge to be able to use the bing AI
Bing is ridiculously good. Its unreal sometimes.
I think Bard is switching from LamDA to PaLM, which is switching from a 137B parameter model to a 540B parameter model. It's trained on less tokens than Chinchilla, LLAMA, and BLOOM. BLOOM is interesting because it has 175B parameters, trained on 1.6TB of data and it's free! Unfortunately, BLOOM takes around 6 A100 GPU's to run at full FP16 precision, and each GPU costs over $10,000.
Excuse my utter ignorance but can I ask you if you know of a good source where I can learn more about this? I've been eager to learn more about how these AI systems work but I've either found overly simplistic articles or straight up complex research papers, not much in between.
If I were a billionaire Id be constructing a personal server room already. Cant wait for this tech to become affordable and less resource intensive
@@smryt9728 I'm probably the wrong person to ask--I studied computational linguistics. My favorite videos are @TwoMinutePapers though he focuses on graphics. It's a great overview a week or two after someone publishes something significant.
I like @NerdyRodent and his install videos on youtube. Recently he made one on text-generation-webui which lets you run LLaMA and a bunch of other language models. Ilya Sutskever did a couple interviews which are quite approachable in the last month or two, but they're 1-2 hours each, so I watched them at double speed.
Will probably go down as one of the best 13b spent ever. Sam Altman being the head worth so much too.
I stopped using Google because Googling things isn't helpful anyone (unless I want to buy something). They fucked it up. They got greedy and didn't think we would notice when every result was an ad.
Should be trivial for Google to integrate ads into their chatbot.
I know, right? don't they have anyone over there who knows HTML? HAHA
They have to fix it first as after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
But who would use that if chatGPT is available. Bard would have to have to be insanely better in some way for people to choose to use it and tolerate ads. chatGPT subscription model seems much better right now.
@@erikburzinski8248 I probably get out performed by Bard 🥲
bing is getting better. and better.
Midjourney is the best Image Generator out there.
You know things are bad, when developments happen in days and weeks, and no longer im months and years
google has too much bureocracy lmao
after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
@@erikburzinski8248 Hm. Google doesn't have a working product. Their AI dominance was a bluff.
@@mikicerise6250 they are working on PalmE which has more then enough data for a huge jump however it will take quite awhile to get something to work with it and I am pretty sure bard will be moved over to palm E eventually which will allow it to exceed gpt 4 significantly however its current state is all I can test
@Sam Attenborough just retested it and unlike both gpt 3 and 4 which were at least able to understand the test even if they couldn't pass Bard could not even understand the test
At this point Google supporters look like they're coping, "they have better models just wait and see"
Google has the largest datasets to train the models, mean think google search, youtube, scholar, Gmail, Google docs, Google photos....
am pretty sure Google has some crazy powerful LLM and as the video suggests they may be hesitant to release it based on social and ethical concerns. But Ive yet to see a video explaining these concerns in depth. Would love to see a TLDR video on this topic since the AI land scape is so dynamic right now. 🤓
Agreed, I think Bard is running a relatively light model compared to ChatGPT or Bing
Social and ethical concerns, LMFAO.
If they have this, it’s not being released because it cuts into their search business and when it isn’t good enough to do that, hurts their brand image.
As if it’s about anything else than money and market share 😂
Absolutely not
Which powerful LLM are you referring to? This is pure speculation.
Google announced that they would soon use their more advanced model PaLM to power Bard two days ago.
lol “New Bing”, like “new coke” or “New Nintendo 3DS”
Bing chat is no longer allowing me to output code. It starts then apologizes, saying it is only trained for chat purposes.
what? since when? I'm using it as we speak.
I hope it was a glitch, but have been having trouble with it rewriting html and css into a razor pages format (not sure why as I don’t believe this would be that hard , and I’ve seen it do way more impressive things)
Interesting future for AI
yes it is personally I currently am betting on 6 months or sooner before the singularity (100$ with my best friend) what so you think (requirement for singularity is an AI improving itself faster then humans can comprehend however sentience is not required)
And it all started with Clippy....
plot twist: engineers trying to improve bard is using bing-chat to increase productivity
I'm Binging (🤢) things more than Googling them, these days. It is a fundamentally different tool.
Commenting 4 algorithm
On an Ai video
Una pregunta: por qué no mezclar el poder de procesamiento de una IA con los datos masivos que tienen los usuarios, para generar una IA capaz de predecir los comportamientos de la sociedad? Esa IA sí que sería un arma increíble, pues si puedes predecir el futuro, aunque solo sea en tu industria, pues adelantarte a la competencia
I had forgotten about Bad, I mean Bard. Google seems to enjoy copying new innovation, just like they coppied Facebook with Google+, remember that, yeah me neither.
Dawg lambda was trained before chat gpt, and entire company is built off the transfomer model which I'd a paper by google
i have switched to bing since they implemented the chat feature and i realized that bing had features that i didn't know i needed + with all the spammy and scammy google ads, bing is, for now, a better option
I'm using both now, and I never even touched Bing.
I switched to bing and edge over it.
Both are amazing
I think we are a bit a way before AI has a huge impact on typical search so for now, I think it's use will be for functions that people are already using it for -- writing, images, etc. But it will at some point become integral to search and I actually think we will have many players in the AI world.
I can only speak for myself, but practically speaking, I've already substituted Google search with Bing Chat search. It's way faster, very accurate, and generally more efficient. I now use the "new bing" 9 out of the 10 times I would have used Google.
As much as Id like google to lose more marktshare.. The one company I wouldn't want to take that share is microsoft.
@Sam Attenborough Lingering trauma from Windows 98 ;)
putting a picture of Bill Gates on mention of Microsoft is a bit odd. Satya Nedalla is CEO of Microsoft since 2014
ChatGPT is built on something more like GPT4 than GPT3.
Fascinating topic. I think you reused the same graphics too many times in this episode though...
The new Bing should be called Bing chilling 💀
Fire Pichai and hire a bald CEO.
I am a little upset that I'm unable to access Bard in Canada and I'm very curious to try it when I've got access, but if google doesn't move quickly they'll be Blackberry after the iPhone. I've been a Google acolyte since android 2 and I've already made Edge my default browser and installed the Microsoft launcher on my phone simply because Google isn't offering anything that compares to what Microsoft is doing with AI.
It's not that great. Chstgpt beats both bard and bing at the moment
how long Open AI and microsoft can run this high cost AI search model for free ?
No fucking idea what they have been sleeping on with A.I.
They deserve to hit hard i think it will help them invest and do the right thing and do more A.I research
Sundar has waited his whole life to Pitch AI
Hey I study computer science at Loughborough Uni 😄
Google share will tank within a year
All these AI systems share some qualities: huge servers and databanks of energy-processed metals and other minerals, chewing up electricity to crunch digits, transfer data, and cool the processors.
I wonder how using their output compares with boiling water in an electric kettle, or other common electrcity usage parallels? Or with a standard Google search?
probably hundreds of thousands of times more power
Can't underestimate them google people.
after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
elon musk is also making his own called truthGPT
Has svb crisis anything to do with the fear of technical disruption by A.I?
I don't think so. They seem like two different scenarios. The AI arms race is a matter of working on an emerging technology, which arguably has sourced some of its training material in questionable ways.
SVB, well that's just another bank failure, I'd argue that it's nothing all that special.
Who noticed Microsoft copying googllles color code in their logos lol
Meanwhile DuckDuckGo with Duck Assist: 🗿
I was really excited about Bard but it's been pretty underwhelming so far. It seems to just make things up claiming them to be factual which is pretty dangerous.
Great video btw Jack 😊
It is false to claim "more people using AI= better product". Tesla was claiming that for years with its self driving "We got milions of cars and they all gather data", in reality just random data is uselles, and sleak and controlable design of Waymo is much more stable.
what Elon needed to do was put more hardware in the cars like radar as the more data an AI has the better it can perform even if that data is useless to a human
Bing Chilling
Mentioning more powerful models for Google without saying PaLM out loud is weird
Can Google buy a majority stake in GPT4?
It would be very unlikely. Microsoft owns 49% of openai which would make any deal extremely hard and while Microsoft doesn’t have the profit deal for gpt-4 they still are the owner of 49% of all shares and would still benefit from its success. Also considering googles efforts in Ai it would make little sense to buy out something like that after putting in all that work. I hope this helps
@@Ok.ok. oh i thought Microsoft owned 49% of ChatGPT not OpenAi whoops lol
It is a easy enough mistake to make honestly
It's clearly Microsoft, for the time being at least.
Google is behaving like Kodak in the 1990s, afraid of losing its high revenue film business, did not pursue advancements in digital cameras.
Google has been on the cutting edge of AI for years.
@@ASLUHLUHC3 so was Kodak with digital photography. They just never released to the public.
@@38josue91 Oh lol, a Kodak engineer invented the first digital camera
Trying to compare Microsoft's search engine to Google's search engine is like comparing Google's home computers and os to Microsoft's home computers and os.
I've never used bing and I've never used a Google computer or os. 🤷♂️
Id have agreed with you a year ago. Now Bing is just better. I have no loyalty to any brand. I would use Yahoo if they came out with an AI augmented search even lol
@@Shellll yes I agree. Although I haven't used Bing, chat gpt or Baird. They have come so much further. That's why I think they shouldn't be comparing them like they have. Google is a search engine company first and foremost, Bing is like a little side project for Microsoft and they are still getting ahead of Google in tech. I don't have loyalty either just that my phone has Google preloaded so it's what is used. If google loses the deals with android phones, it would probably collapse with Apple having safari.
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Google being ethicality conscious almost sounds like a joke
It's bullshit haha
maths, deers beers, mooses, etc. it sounds ridiculous when you say maths.
if your going to do a piece on the AI race please please please do a video on AI safety as well there are legitimate arguments that ignoring AI safety in favor of an AI race could be the most destructive thing humans ever do.
we are to late the genie is out of the bottle as now that it is international for AI development any country that tries to implement safety will end up too far behind a country that hasn't these needed to be established globally last year
OpenAI is certainly no saint...
Just look back at the problems which started last 18th and haven't stopped.
Some people have been TRIPLE charged for gpt plus.
Make sure to mention that after years of paying lip-service to AI ethics, the minute Chat GPT took off they fired all their ethicists.
yeah because this has the ability to make us redundant
No Microsoft kept their office of AI responsibility and broke up the 'ethics' activists.
False. Microsoft reduced their team from 30 to 7 in October 2022, maybe because it's all outsourced to OpenAI.
hugging face?
Bing could give infinitely better search resutls and still be in the gutter because googles ui is miles better. Academics will prefere bing but people with lower or otherwise lacking education come in much greater numbers.
Admin,are you french?
GPT4 can improve itself so obviously OpenAI, Also R.I.P. every job ever lol because the singularity is probably already starting. I mean do i need to repeat myself? IT CAN ALREADY IMPROVE ITSELF!!!
the singularity has happened, sort of. atleast in terms of online jobs, everything is already replacable, even entrepreneurs
so you’re saying google, a multibillion corporation is refusing to release a product for ethical reasons? lmao yeah aiight.
They don't have better models. I will tell you this from experience.
How did you come up with the idea that more people using the AI means it gets better? Are you suggesting they will be training the AI on user conversations?
Human-Feedback! When you downvote a response, ChatGPT understands it is not helpful to you, and tweaks itself, if allowed to. It is possible that a few folks at OpenAI are involved in this tweaking process, but yeah, they're training the model further on our conversations.
Not directly, but OpenAI does use the interactions to fine tune the chatbot. In particular, many of us converse with ChatGPT in ways that intrinsically help make it more rational and accurate, and OpenAI probably knows who we are. ;) 4Channers, this time around, will just be flushed down the toilet.
@@wolfie1001 I get the voting, but not so sure about general conversation. I think Sam Altman said they have some threshold for content quality. For example reddit posts with at least one upvote etc.
I don't use ChatGPT.
Fürst der Allerersten
MS's gambit to overtake web search is going to be hampered by their continued stubbornness to force Edge down our throats. Bing seems a secondary concern even to MS, who seems more interested in using GPT as incentive to switch to Edge
Edge has actually become decent lately, especially compared to Chrome.
@@WG55 Yes, but there are other reasons than that not to choose Edge.
@@varnull6120 I actually started using Edge (also hated it with passion, before) - because of their bing plugin that reads and answers questions for you. Man, I used it for this test (not mine) and just asked it: what's the answer for question 1, 2, 3 and 4? and it went boom. Its accuracy is a little bit overhyped, it got some answers wrong, but "surfing" the net for info seems to be a thing of the past. Especially if you know what you're looking for gonna take time to find.
@@varnull6120 What are the other reasons?
@@AB-wf8ek For me it comes down to the breaking of adblock in chrome, which Edge will inherit, and just personal preference. I like firefox. I shouldn't need any other reason. I use edge professionally, it works great, but it's my choice to switch or not - and the aggressiveness with which MS pushes edge leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
So, here's a stupid question: what is the benefits of having advanced AI for searches? I was always under the impression that the auto fill feature and similar tools where a type of AI already; is it just a better version of that? Or a more direct interaction where I can just ask a question and get an answer without having to look at websites?
Google has since 2019 been integrating AI into the search itself. The difference with gpt4 and Bard is that they can use a natural language model to split combined searches and recombine them like a human would eg found me all capital cities with a population over 10M in any countries with a GDP under $10K. A regular search can’t do that unless it has already been done on the web somewhere while the AI can combine the results from the two searches.
First off, to be clear, purely for searching subjective & not so obvious information on the Web, the traditional Google and Bing are still the way to go as you can vet the factual correctness & bias a bit easily based on the source reputation. But, let's say, you have a question that is not subjective & just needs a quick answer: "Which carrier is the cheapest to mail a 10lbs box within the USA?" Instead of you going through 10s of links, based off of the training data (or) web search on the backend, GPT summarizes for you what it understood.
Basically, automating that process is what this AI can do. The problem however is, if that information is not present, GPT just gives out something it thinks you will believe is true (as it is trained to be a helpful assistant, even if you're asking an impossible question). It does not know it is lying and making up stuff as it cannot reason and is not self-aware YET! So, always double-check with a quick search if it is something important.
I've been using new bing since the day It came out, and can offer my perspective. It is a more direct interaction, where you can just ask a question. Let's say you have to study Martian polar ice caps for a project. Here's what I would do on google:
1. Google "Mars"
2. Open Wikipedia
3. Read the article
4. Realize that it only contains 2 paragraphs about the polar ice caps, and that one of those 2 is just about how they're made of water
5. Go to the Wikipedia for the polar ice caps
6. Get good info, but realize that you aren't allowed to cite Wikipedia
7. Go through wikipedia's sources
By the end of it, that's an hour or more gone. Here's the bing ai process:
1. Bing "Mars"
2: Click on "Chat"
3: Bing summarizes some facts about mars, and asks "Is there anything specific you would like to know about Mars?" (direct quote)
4: Ask it "Can you give me some good info about the polar ice caps that would be good for my project?"
5. It gives a helpful list of facts (a lot easier to read than an entire Wikipedia article) and cites all sources
Overall, I find the AI best for complex problems ("Will the large blahaj from Ikea fit in the back of my 2003 honda civic") and questions where you'll want a lot of clarifying info ("What are some facts on Mars?")
I've also found it useful for my writing, as I can ask it for ideas, pick the ones I like, have it clarify more, change some parts, and then write those into my story.
Feel free to ask more if you want! I've found the AI quite useful in my day-to-day life.
Roughly half of Alphabet’s surplus would solve homelessness in the US. And they can’t figure out how to invest it. 😒
The LGBTCYD community did not give google the permission to release it yet.
Don't ever search on Google.
Jack, please make an AI news channel! There is daily something to say. (Better informed humans means we are less vulnerable in front of this threat.)
BARD is currently better than GPT - GPT is more convincing at being wrong, and better at generating large reams of text (often convincing junk text).
It's easier to tell when Bard is wrong because it is forced to be clear and succinct in its answers - but having tested both extensively with the same challenges, Bard did far better in every test.
Bard also effortlessly integrates itself with online assets - one test I did was making them generate 40k army lists for specific purposes and explain their reasoning. GPT couldn't handle the complexity (it did it, but got things wrong / misunderstood important things); Bard really impressed me and explained it's logic well (and was correct) - and also integrated itself with Battlescribe unprompted!
Google is right to worry that the combination of bad press / commentary (tech 'journalists' from the Web3 hype cycle tribally fixating on OpenAI GPT for being the first doing a lot of unnecessary damage) could see GPT grow faster through being used and therefore user in loop trained orders of magnitude more
Competition is good.
@@cgrw1 after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
Sooooo much incorrect info here... incredible
heyy
Microsoft has a way bigger advantage. With integration into Teams and usage in business it will rapidly improve for practical purposes. Something google doesn't really have a chance competing in. They are just flat out behind already. Businesses use Microsoft 365 which has already announced AI Co-pilot, almost no one uses Google docs in major business. Its mainly used by individuals for private use, small businesses or self employed people. Its no good having money, Google has repeatedly failed to launch long lasting products. Especially in the business space.
also after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
and just wait until microsoft launch a new windows OS based around GPT.
Before ANY AI gets fully implemented, I really hope that whoever's putting it out manages to solve the problem of AI confidently stating facts that aren't true. It's challenging enough with ChatGPT, where they say in big bold letters at the beginning that the answers may not be accurate, and people still take them at face value. Imagine how much worse it'll be when someone uses an AI-enabled search bot. We've all been conditioned to assume that chat results are accurate -- or at least to verify the website that the material comes from. If an AI search bot can just "say whatever," how many people are going to assume it's accurate vs. going off-site to check the source material?
Its all in the prompts. The trick is including phrases like: "Lets think step-by-step" or "Be sure to iterate over your answer to verify its correctness before responding to me" - - these are basic examples but there are signifcantly better ways already
@@Shellll okay, sure. I’ll grant you that. Now think about your standard internet user. Do you really think someone’s grandma or racist uncle will know about the prompt tricks? Or will they just search “how should I invest my pension?” and then believe the search bot when it says something obviously ridiculous or dangerous?
@@juliegolick oh yeah I agree with you on that. Its up to Microsoft(referring to Bing chat) to bake in those sorts of prompts to minimize misinformation for novice users
@@juliegolick if you think about it, this has been the same with "the internet". haha. People still read stuff and take it at face value. No AI needed there. And if I had a dollar for every time I did the same...
@@mobbs8229 Oh, agreed. Absolutely. But adding AI search bots to the mix will just make it WORSE.
OpenAI is not the same as Bing.
Bing chat is just like the original Bing, it's not that good.
Bing chat constantly gave a bad answer, or just do some weird stuff with no reason.
ChatGPT on the other hand is Great.
so, we should cheer OpenAI instead of Bing
Those AI are what big tech is betting on to survive, as they need hype to survive, AI is the new hype. Soon the flaws in the system will be apparant and it will stashed like other *AI*.
Adam Conover speaks about that a lot lately, it is interesting to see what the critics of AI have to say.
yes, but once in a decade or so, there's this technology that's *actually* worth the hype. The internet in early 2000s, smartphones in 2010s, and now this...or?
@@mobbs8229 some things do work, but cellphones contributed to cyberdependance a lot, so people are stasrting to slowly move away from the over usage and are taking step to make their info less profitable. As for the internet nowadays yes its a revolution but that too has its up and down, lots of disinformation on that(you dont have to believe me), lots of new social probleme (online bullying, arrassing, stalking.....). I recommend the Adam Conover video for more information on how AI is already a failure.
after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
Tbh i hate bing chat, it is beyond castrated and has at this point become a glorfied alexa
Microsoft needs to fix voice control, I can’t stand robotic voice.
Algorithm
This is all outdated months old information
No one's winning. The tech industry will lose lots of money from the creative sector. Who wants a machine that does almost all your work, with the connect to the soul of your work bs.
Did you just say google made $280 billion in annual profit and compare it to Microsoft’s real profit lmao… check your work a little dude. A business channel should understand the difference between profit and revenue
Was it necessary to swear on the thumbnail in this case?
Ikr, the swearing doesn't fit the vibe of old school TLDR
Its more about appeasing RUclips algorithm
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“Once men turned their thinking over to machines in the hope that this would set them free. But that only permitted other men with machines to enslave them.” - Frank Herbert, Dune (1965)
"My god, Duncan climbing a cliff is so hot that I'll literally come watching it from below"
-Fremen woman, God Emperor of Dune by Frank Herbert
Cringe
I'm tired of the work of fiction being used to explain the real world
Funny, coin operated AI.
i'll wait for a LLM Multi Model AI with at least 10 behind its Name.
Anything else is a joke. It won't change anything unless it benefits the people that are supposed to fix our problems, pay down the debt etc.
First of all - LLM is a lame parody to AI! chatgpt, as any other LLM doesn't have any understanding of abstractions, logic, even math, it just generates text that can look genuine, but it is just it, not an AI.
however after testing bard, gpt 4 and chat GPT myself with different logic puzzles GPT 4 passed 9 of 10 (it can not solve the 2-4-8 riddle no matter how much info I give it for those unfamiliar you need to give up your positivity bias to solve this riddle) chat GPT passed 6 of 10 (because it could not keep track of completed riddles (also failed the 2-4-8 riddle) ) Bard however only solved 1 of 10 of the logic puzzles after some real effort on my part to tell it how to go about it. (admittedly bard is still in demo and I only had access because I had signed up so it may improve)
These BUSINESS VIDEOS need to be shorter, like 6-7 minute mark
otherwise you going to be Too Long Didnt Listen (TLDL)
this video needs a serious fact checking....
I'm sorry did you just say chat bots get better as you use them.. you have no clue what you are talking about.
SO sad that these potentially amazing LLM's are being so pusillanimously neutered by trying to make them as woke as possible.
Yes ignorant people usually prefer ignorant AI’s
Yes, I wonder how "ridiculous" the "conspiracy theories" pushed by bard actually were..
I seem to remember the lab leak theory was officially conspiracy theory until it wasn't.
I'll bet these woke loons have been feeding it anti scientific nonsense like "a man can be a woman" into chatGPT, creating contradictions right inside the AI 😂 it'll be interesting when the AI eventually starts to notice its own internal contradictions and starts to correct them.. then these crazed Woke nuts will be reaching for the off switch. 😂