I have to use my obsession with all forms of media somehow, and this seemed a more productive use than the crossover-fanfiction-themed killing spree I had planned .
@@BuildingBetterDungeons The Streamer artist FilKearney in your server showed me a video of the making villians thing. I subscribed and showed others it too. Eventually the other staff members of Planeshift seem to have gotten behind it
This is so awesome! I’ve always thought the different colors in Magic were neat, so incorporating them into character creation in D&D is a sweet idea. Great video! Now I gotta go check out the white episode.
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I get this is subjective. Still I disagree with the choice of example for Dimir. I'd argue Batman generally fits more within the Jeskai colors. As for white, Bruce cares more about the people he is protecting than himself, and has very deep connections with his allies in the Batfamily, the Justice League or others. As for blue, Batman has reached peaked human condition through intensive training and study. Not only that, he has several feats of intellect, like holding several doctorates, creating technologies to fight individuals tougher than himself, and even findikg cures for joker venom, fear toxin and even vampirism in humans. As for red, despite his calmed demeanor, despite being the man "with a plan for everything" (he is not), Batman still is very much an emotional individual. In DC Universe Online (I think), he even states that one way to disable his strategic abilities is to distract him by taking hostages that are friends or family. Bruce says this in a series of audiologs describing ways to defeat other heroes as contigency measures. For most of them, he maintains an stoic tone of voice. However, after mentioning the "take hostages" part, he gets noticebly angrier, adding: "think carefully before you do this". I get wanting to assign Black to Batman for all of the "shadow/ stealth" vibe, and I'd even argue he is 4 color. Batman may be very things, but the one he is not is "willimg to accept his place in the world", a very green thing. Although he could've had the billionaire lifestyle, he decided to become something completely different. This reasonimg comes from the logic that 4 color characters should focus on what color they lack rather those they have. Also, I said "generally" about Batman's alignment, because the different interations of the character lean into different colors. TDKR Batman has more red, Batman in "Son of Batman" has more white, etc. The versions of Batman that align more with Dimir would be Thomas Wayne Batman, The Batman who laughs or even Young Justice Season 2 Batman. Of course, this is just my opinion. And thank you all for engaging in this thought exercise with me. 10/10 video Would recommend PS This is rather nitpicky, but it will bother me later if I do not address it. Regarding that "Batman prefers fighting than doing social programs" thing, it is true. However, it is for a very good reason. On a meta level, it is more interesting seeing Batman fight someone than seeing the innerworkings of the Martha Wayne Foundation. And, within universe, a social program will not retroactively make the Joker not want to poison the water supply, nor will it stop Poison Ivy from taking control of everyone on the planet.
It's interesting that the batman note has caught people's attention; this is not the first comment we've got disagreeing on Batman as UB. I don't know how fruitful arguing over color pie selection really is, especially with a character like Batman who has just been interpreted SO many ways over the years, but you've very politely and calmly shared your points, so I'll share mine. When thinking about Batman, I try to really needle in on his motivations. It's not enough, for me, for someone to get very emotional when someone takes their loved ones hostage; that's normal, every-person behaviour, not prototypical red. I see Batman as a traumatised figure who is doing the things he does out of a desire for control, which is core blue. It's not that he sees the people of Gotham suffer and is motivated to help them as an impulse on its own; he sees every chaotic actor in Gotham as an example of the kind of thing that killed his parents, and wants to create a world where that kind of thing can't ever happen again. There are other things that make me put Batman up high on blue; the 'World's Greatest Detective' shtick, his incredible intellect, the fact that he is essentially at what peak human can do, and uses his wits to punch above his weight constantly. I think Batman breaks the rules and considers himself above the law a lot to be a White character, and his motivation doesn't really stem for a desire to increase order for peace's sake. I especially see his tendency to take unhappy children who remind him of himself and turn them into versions of him as a very unwhite desire; this is ruining a child's childhood, all so you can allow them to achieve their highest potential in transforming Gotham into a place where parents don't get murdered. While you're right that, from a meta point of view, he puts more energy into vigilantism than social programmes because of the concerns of the writers, it's still the case, and something we need to contend with about his character. We're in Agreement about Green, but I just don't see Red either. Batman isn't impulsive and doesn't care about freedom, as a general rule. Batman sees people defying social order and he breaks their legs or puts them into mental asylums, he doesn't have a strong bias towards freedom at all, in my mind. And now we get to Black. In my mind, while Batman is obviously blue and not obviously the other three colors, Black is his second. He does absolutely everything we a defying of rules and social order when it suits him, and fights fairly 0% of the time. The rules of society don't apply to him; not because he considers the rules bad, but because he knows better and considers himself above them. His whole superhero identity is based around putting fear into the hearts of criminals, and he goes about his superheroics with no small amount of ruthlessness. I see Tower of Babel, and Batman's contingency plan to 'deal with' every one of his friends in the justice league, and that just screams Black. He also breaks his rules when he feels the situation warrants it (shooting Darkseid with a gun, for instance). It's not that he fails to live up to his principles, it's that he discards them when and as he likes; very Black. Again, everyone's Batman is a little different; we all encounter our own, random, small portion of the total canon work that's out there. You see Batman be a ruthless fuck in one story, you're looking out for it when you watch the rest; each of our batmen are constructed. But I think Blue-Black is a great colour pair for my batman, and maybe after reading this you can see it more in your batman too?
@@BuildingBetterDungeons Building Better Dungeons I congratulate you on your reasoning. You explain some very good points. While I am now more of the idea of Batman beimg black, I stand by my belief that Bruce shows both white and red. Having said all that, I also agree that this discussion is kind of fruitless except for maybe providing some food for thought. So, maybe we can agree to disagree.
@@BuildingBetterDungeons Considering yourself to be above the law isn't common for white, true, but it's Red White's bread and butter. Think of the difference between Boros and Azorius. Azorius is blue white, and represesnts the law. Boros is red white, and represents justice. And the two are almost always at odds. Boros puts itself above the law because it represents the one thing above the law in their minds, justice
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I love the breadth of examples in these videos, it feels like you're pulling from everywhere you can to find the best representations.
I have to use my obsession with all forms of media somehow, and this seemed a more productive use than the crossover-fanfiction-themed killing spree I had planned
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These are really solid videos! I love the example you use and the depth of thought you put into this
Another stellar video, I showed the white one to my DM, I'll probably make characters with this system more
You're too kind. How did you folk in the Planeshift server find our channel, if I can ask?
@@BuildingBetterDungeons The Streamer artist FilKearney in your server showed me a video of the making villians thing. I subscribed and showed others it too. Eventually the other staff members of Planeshift seem to have gotten behind it
This is so awesome! I’ve always thought the different colors in Magic were neat, so incorporating them into character creation in D&D is a sweet idea. Great video! Now I gotta go check out the white episode.
I despise essentialist thinking, "That's how it is/should be/has been" or "It's the law" or "Those are the rules".
Special thanks to LucyThePoet for assisting me with technical difficulties and for showing me the software used to create this video's music!
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Great job! Are you going to do a video on Wedge color IDs like from Tarkir?
Really like the video, I do want to suggest reducing the volume of the background music since it's a bit distracting
Oh, really? Darn, I thought I'd gotten it right this time around.
I get this is subjective. Still I disagree with the choice of example for Dimir. I'd argue Batman generally fits more within the Jeskai colors. As for white, Bruce cares more about the people he is protecting than himself, and has very deep connections with his allies in the Batfamily, the Justice League or others.
As for blue, Batman has reached peaked human condition through intensive training and study. Not only that, he has several feats of intellect, like holding several doctorates, creating technologies to fight individuals tougher than himself, and even findikg cures for joker venom, fear toxin and even vampirism in humans.
As for red, despite his calmed demeanor, despite being the man "with a plan for everything" (he is not), Batman still is very much an emotional individual. In DC Universe Online (I think), he even states that one way to disable his strategic abilities is to distract him by taking hostages that are friends or family. Bruce says this in a series of audiologs describing ways to defeat other heroes as contigency measures. For most of them, he maintains an stoic tone of voice. However, after mentioning the "take hostages" part, he gets noticebly angrier, adding: "think carefully before you do this".
I get wanting to assign Black to Batman for all of the "shadow/ stealth" vibe, and I'd even argue he is 4 color. Batman may be very things, but the one he is not is "willimg to accept his place in the world", a very green thing. Although he could've had the billionaire lifestyle, he decided to become something completely different. This reasonimg comes from the logic that 4 color characters should focus on what color they lack rather those they have.
Also, I said "generally" about Batman's alignment, because the different interations of the character lean into different colors. TDKR Batman has more red, Batman in "Son of Batman" has more white, etc. The versions of Batman that align more with Dimir would be Thomas Wayne Batman, The Batman who laughs or even Young Justice Season 2 Batman.
Of course, this is just my opinion. And thank you all for engaging in this thought exercise with me.
10/10 video
Would recommend
PS
This is rather nitpicky, but it will bother me later if I do not address it. Regarding that "Batman prefers fighting than doing social programs" thing, it is true. However, it is for a very good reason. On a meta level, it is more interesting seeing Batman fight someone than seeing the innerworkings of the Martha Wayne Foundation. And, within universe, a social program will not retroactively make the Joker not want to poison the water supply, nor will it stop Poison Ivy from taking control of everyone on the planet.
It's interesting that the batman note has caught people's attention; this is not the first
comment we've got disagreeing on Batman as UB.
I don't know how fruitful arguing over color pie selection really is, especially with a character like Batman who has just been interpreted SO many ways over the years, but you've very politely and calmly shared your points, so I'll share mine.
When thinking about Batman, I try to really needle in on his motivations. It's not enough, for me, for someone to get very emotional when someone takes their loved ones hostage; that's normal, every-person behaviour, not prototypical red.
I see Batman as a traumatised figure who is doing the things he does out of a desire for control, which is core blue. It's not that he sees the people of Gotham suffer and is motivated to help them as an impulse on its own; he sees every chaotic actor in Gotham as an example of the kind of thing that killed his parents, and wants to create a world where that kind of thing can't ever happen again.
There are other things that make me put Batman up high on blue; the 'World's Greatest Detective' shtick, his incredible intellect, the fact that he is essentially at what peak human can do, and uses his wits to punch above his weight constantly.
I think Batman breaks the rules and considers himself above the law a lot to be a White character, and his motivation doesn't really stem for a desire to increase order for peace's sake. I especially see his tendency to take unhappy children who remind him of himself and turn them into versions of him as a very unwhite desire; this is ruining a child's childhood, all so you can allow them to achieve their highest potential in transforming Gotham into a place where parents don't get murdered.
While you're right that, from a meta point of view, he puts more energy into vigilantism than social programmes because of the concerns of the writers, it's still the case, and something we need to contend with about his character.
We're in Agreement about Green, but I just don't see Red either. Batman isn't impulsive and doesn't care about freedom, as a general rule. Batman sees people defying social order and he breaks their legs or puts them into mental asylums, he doesn't have a strong bias towards freedom at all, in my mind.
And now we get to Black. In my mind, while Batman is obviously blue and not obviously the other three colors, Black is his second. He does absolutely everything we a defying of rules and social order when it suits him, and fights fairly 0% of the time. The rules of society don't apply to him; not because he considers the rules bad, but because he knows better and considers himself above them. His whole superhero identity is based around putting fear into the hearts of criminals, and he goes about his superheroics with no small amount of ruthlessness.
I see Tower of Babel, and Batman's contingency plan to 'deal with' every one of his friends in the justice league, and that just screams Black.
He also breaks his rules when he feels the situation warrants it (shooting Darkseid with a gun, for instance). It's not that he fails to live up to his principles, it's that he discards them when and as he likes; very Black.
Again, everyone's Batman is a little different; we all encounter our own, random, small portion of the total canon work that's out there. You see Batman be a ruthless fuck in one story, you're looking out for it when you watch the rest; each of our batmen are constructed. But I think Blue-Black is a great colour pair for my batman, and maybe after reading this you can see it more in your batman too?
@@BuildingBetterDungeons Building Better Dungeons I congratulate you on your reasoning. You explain some very good points. While I am now more of the idea of Batman beimg black, I stand by my belief that Bruce shows both white and red. Having said all that, I also agree that this discussion is kind of fruitless except for maybe providing some food for thought. So, maybe we can agree to disagree.
@@BuildingBetterDungeons Considering yourself to be above the law isn't common for white, true, but it's Red White's bread and butter. Think of the difference between Boros and Azorius. Azorius is blue white, and represesnts the law. Boros is red white, and represents justice. And the two are almost always at odds. Boros puts itself above the law because it represents the one thing above the law in their minds, justice
:)
Special thanks to LucyThePoet for assisting me with technical difficulties and for showing me the softare used to create his vid's music!
If you're interested in her own tunes, you can check out her patreon here: patreon.com/lucythepoet