Just some tips and my opinions on LS swapping a C4 Corvette The radiator is Griffin part # 1-25241-X The Stall converter in the 4L80e is a FTI 3600 stall
I just had to tell you that was a great video. I'm rebuilding a 84 C4 , it still has the original 350 cross fire and 4+3 in it. There's 134 thousand on it now. I was thinking about putting a LS in it and your video is a great help. I still want to keep it stick, but want to up grade to a 5 speed.
This video is amazing. I think I am more impressed with your dash setup than anything. Even if I don’t do an LS swap…I want to build my dash like that. Wow !
photos.app.goo.gl/98vzzy4Lpd4Z2bxT8 It looks a lot different now. I upgraded to Intelitronix gauges. I have a mount for the Holley touchscreen too that isn't in this pic. Hope the link works
great video, these 43 minutes probably saved me 2 or 3 grand. i picked up an 84 for $1000 last summer and i plan on taking it across the country with the new drivetrain. again great video
Great video! I could care less of the quality, it’s the information that is priceless if you people out there don’t know a thing about getting this swap to go cheaply. I have the right 5.3 out of a trailblazer that I drove before I popped it out and it drove A-1. The info on rear end, trans selection is good stuff. Along with gauge selection and Holley management ( worth the money I agree wholeheartedly) Again thanks for your time and information.
You're certainly the keeper of the flame when it comes to hot rodding a C4. I just got a 1984 black auto vette that runs and drives for 2500 bucks. This is the perfect solution for a smog controlled junk powertrain. i love rowing gears but you cut it down to size, in large theyre all autos till about '89, no matter what the 84 will have a dana 36. I wished you had the go pro because this would have 100k's of views. This really sheds light on how much our engines have evolved and what we take for granted, it will be a tough moment for me to modify an incredibly preserved vette with just 82k miles...but it's for the best. I've owned over a dozen TBI vehicles from 1984-1995 and they all suck, but this is the worst, the single TBI L89 is a reliable unit but this cross fire is horrific, like trying to balance 3 carbs on a 3 cyl snowmobile or pwc, the Million dollar question is...what preserves the cars value, because one day, 1 couple million people will realize the 84 was the best seller year and only about 55K were produced...then where does the price go! We don't want to butcher these cars, i think you've found a solid middle ground and to that, I say CHEERS!!! To LS swap and beyond!
i Just picked up a 1986 with standard transmission! Didn't realize it was not that common. Its been sitting on a lot for 6 years and hasnt run in that long either. I am planning on doing an ls swap(mostly because shifting feels...odd. Not to mention some better reliability and something im a little more familiar with. Thank you for this overview!
my c4 has a 4.8 ls with a t5 5 speed. originally a 350 crossfire with 700r4. i regret not replacing the intake manifold with a corvette/camaro style. i kept the factory intake manifold so im in the middle of building a cowl to bolt on
This is a great video. Been looking at C4 vette's up here in Canada and they are super expensive ($20k+) for decent '93+ drivers, but one can get decent 84's to 88's cheap ($8k to $10k) because either the engine sucks (84) or it just is a runner without being fancy/has high miles on it. Funny enough I have a local buddy that specializes in Delorean LS swaps so he would be a great resource for this kind of job.
I'm back -- felt like watching this again, when it popped up in my feed. You've really done a great job with this video. If people actually pay attention, they will be well-guided. However, for those who can't or won't take on a project of this scope, I would suggest that a Gen-1 SBC is about 85-90% as good an engine, anyway, and capable of making enough power for the vast majority of us. Please -- I'm not saying don't do an LS swap, I'm just saying think it through, first. What are your end goals, shop capabilities, and commitment level? Think of the advantages, here: No trips to the junkyard to pull whole engines and other parts, and no custom fabrication to speak of. That stuff adds up to a _much_ bigger project. Also, _you can keep your A/C_ , and potentially keep your digital dash. BTW, an iron block is only about 100lbs heavier than an aluminum block -- do you _really_ care? For an L83 or L98 engine (1984-91), the major components you'll need are different heads, cam, and intake. To go beyond about ~450hp, a block with four-bolt main bearings is recommended, but used ones are cheap. Besides, you could go with your two-bolt block initially. If it doesn't blow-up, it's good enough! While really good Gen-1 SBC heads aren't usually found in junkyards, they can be found used on eBay. A snag; if you do want to keep your digital dash, you have to keep the stock ECU. That means tuning and burning e-prom chips for it, and (potentially) dyno time. Or, you can go ahead with the dash mods and run a self-learning Holley system, like Chad has done for his LS (BTW, nice job on the dash, Chad). There _are_ tuners who will provide ready-made 'baseline' chips for common mods. Then, you can then have them tweak subsequent chips, if you want. Not ideal, but it's cheap and it can work, especially when using somewhat conservative tunes.
1996-1998 vortec. till 02 in the vans and some trucks. sbc roller motor obd2 fuel injection mad torque and its the computer system and base form of efi that ran the ls1 everyone loves. but you dont wait for torque like the ls.
I just finished a truck 6.0 LS swap in a 1986 manual Z51. It was built to be a road course track car that can be driven on the street. It's not comfortable but it's fun. You are correct, the junkyard engine was cheap and had 100,000 miles on it. We did very little to convert it and we will run it till it blows and buy another. It is the most affordable fun you can have. I use a purpose built 5 speed road course transmission that fit perfectly after a bellhousing swap. All Would Be Warriors out there should listen to this man about learning too weld. Not only for automotive purposes but you'd be amazed at how many things are simple to make yourself with basic fabrication skills.
@@destruxandexploze2552 The 4+3 crapped out back when we tracked the car in stock form. The overdrive quit working and we became "in the way" on long back stretches because we couldn't get over 115mph. It really is a turd, please consider a trans swap, you will get the most out of your LS.
Great information thanks. I'm in the process of building a C4 (I have an 800whp C7). I have an 1988 roller that has had the interior completely done with all new weather stripping. It's the perfect car for a swap. My plan was an NA 5.3 or 6.0 with 4L80E and Terminator X (with 7inch screen for gauges). My only issue is the rear. I know at some point I will add boost (likely a roots blower) and I'm not sure the Dana44 is up to the task. I know some have built their D44 and some have live axle swapped but at this point that is the holdup. Because of this I have considered changing my plans to stick with an NA build and putting in a CD009 6sp trans from a 350Z. I haven't seen anyone that was done a CD009 and the only real issue I see with it is the C4 has an offset shifter and the CD009 does not so I'll have to fabricate something. One quick question, when you put the motor in, did you pull the hood and come in from the front or pull the tire and come in from the side?
I managed to pick up an 84 doug nash car that I've had to chuck another doug nash into... it blew up on me. I'm not giving up on this car though and I hope to eventually to the LS treatment and chuck a tkx in the car
I have a 1986 with a 396 stroker, with a tpis miniram, it's got a Yank 3800 stall, 48lb injectors, 200 cc world heads, eagle forged everything. 4L80 with adapter, and a D1 procharger, Hooker headers. I got rid of the digital dash, all analog green LCD gauges, a custom Eprom chip from TPIS. It's got new paint, a body kit, black on black. Put vents in the hood. For my gauge cluster, you'd be proud, there's a guy online who makes a solid steel bezel and it's got all the holes for gauges. I got rid of the breadbox also. This year this thing is done. 20 year project.
How did you mount your 4L80E in the car? Did you use an adapter for the rear of the trans with the C-beam? If so where can I find one cause I can not get one anywhere
@@liamfoley4452 There was a guy in Alabama who was making them. it's a quality piece, made it fit no problem. I was not the one who installed it, was my best friend, he's my mechanic. But he told me was a nice piece and I bought it like 2010, that was the only time I ever tried hunting one down. My car has been sitting for almost 10 years, so that was quite some time ago. Who knows if the guy is still in business. But if you hunt around they are out there. But the way everyone is trying to shut down the hot rodding comunitty things could be scarce. The guy made one from a mold, I do remember that. I feel lucky to have gotten it.
@@tileslasher I guess I’ll just have to keep looking then. I found a website that advertised it but when you click on the link it just goes to the home page. It was a kit with a new shorter tail shaft with the same splines as the existing driveshaft for the 700r4 and tail housing that was shortened and had the boss on the side to keep the c-beams original length and mounting style. I’ve seen multiple homemade ones with 4inch box steel cut in half to make a c shape that were welded to a plate that bolts on top of the 6 bolts that fasten the tail shaft to the 4l80e trans and then you just have to cut the c-beam, drill some holes, and have a driveshaft made. If I can’t find one by the time I get to that step I’ll just make it but there’s plenty to do now before I get there. Thanks for the info
@@liamfoley4452 I went thru 2 700s and that's when I had enough and was lucky enough to swap it out for the 4L80 mine is a manual automatic. Oh it's a brut. good luck buddy.
Vetteworks sells plates that work perfectly and locate the engine in exactly the right place. All other swap plates move the engine back too far. Also the c5 oil pan fits very well.
I've done the same but I wish I saw this before you did that. It's so easy to maintain the factory cluster. Just add an aftermarket tac c and temp oil pressure a/f gauges on your pillar. U just need the factory vehicle speed sensor
I could have kept the old cluster but I didn't want to. I really didn't like the factory gauges. I have all Intelitronix stuff now and love it. Either way it's easier to just swap in aftermarket stuff and sell off the factory one and probably make a few bucks. But if you like the factory gauges it can be done.
Considering an LS swap in the future but I'm a total noob when it comes to mechanical skill. Gotta learn more before I tackle something like this or make a lot more money to pay someone! Lol I'd rather learn and do it myself though...
Any advise on swapping in a manual transmission to a LS into C4 corvette? That’s all I need I’ve got everything else And thank you for the video. Getting to the point is all a simple man ask for and sir you sure did deliver in this video
Long video and I’m gonna try to watch as much as possible, aside from the engine and trans, what other big money items are needed and how much custom fab/tuning is needed??
More videos !!!! I’m starting mine tomorrow… Tone of LS swaps … But the c beam has me a little worried. My car was a 1986 Doug Nash stick car . It’s got the d44 . Good video for sure for people wanting to get their feet wet.
I just finished the swap you are talking about. 86 Manual Z51, D44. I'll give you a big head start. Ditch the 4+3 Trans. There is no good way to make that POS work even when it was brand new. Great concept, but GM blew it on mechanical design. It was replaced with good reason with a 6spd in 1989. The C-beam was not much of an issue for us, just a pain in the ass to put in and out during test fittings.
@@whelkThe C Beam is the connecting piece between the transmission and the rear end on C4s. Google "C4 C Beam", go to images. It was a real hassle when trying to mock up for fit and then in and out multiple times for final install.
The replacement transmission is a Tremec TKO600 5spd. Road course gearbox, no overdrive because we track. The overdrive version would work too. Used a Lakewood LS bell housing, it is shorter from trans to engine block so the shaft makes full engagement.
i LS Swapped my 1986 K10 to make it a daily driver last summer . i work 50 miles from home each way . i got 12,000 miles on swap so far . but if you plan on making it a daily driver dont worry about miles get an old motor that runs with all the brackets and stuff . Do the swap run the hell out of it till it dies then get a long block from summit .
Sweet build. Id think the car would handle even better too because the engine is so much lighter! What kind of MPG are you seeing? Id love to do convert an 89 with the 6 speed!
It would for sure be faster around the track. But c4s are already quite "pointy" at the front end. Making it even more pointy is a bold decision for street driving. Better stay alert when driving in slick conditions.
My son has a beautiful low miles 1994 LT1 C4 however, he spun a rod and was looking at LS swaps however, he understands the electrics can be a problem due to the CPU running the drive-line and the car items as well. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Well gear swap OR Salt flats TOP SPEED run, w a 8 point cage + HANS device + fire XtinGusher, The Lincoln Tombstone, YEssssss, Sloppy Style 4 da WIN!!! 4.8 iron, SS2 iron LOG gt45 burnouts n Ice Cream
My friend I'm from California i have a 86 convertible automatic but I got problems with my original motor any recommendations to swap the motor and all the stuff that I need it ? I hope start with my project but I would like to be automatic because I'm in whellchair and that's the only that I can drive with my hand control with out bug modification thanks in advance if someone had ideas I'm be happy to get it thanks to the corvette community ..
trying to install by LS1. I have it connected to a 4L60e and have a couple of questions if you can help. What engine mounts did you use? I have the ICT brackets but can seem to find a good mount that will fit the C4. I need to move the block forward about a half inch to keep the heads from hitting the firewall. Second, what kind of linkage did you use for your transmission? Will the stock shifter work, or do I need to find an aftermarket shifter? Thanks for your help and advice.
I used cheap steel motor mount adapter plates that I got on eBay. First I tried a nice aluminum set be they were just too thick and wouldn't line up. But as far as a brand name I can't help. I would suggest looking for a steel set with lots of holes so you have options as to where it mounts. As for shift linkage I used a B&M ratchet shifter. I never tried to use the stock shifter. I'm sure it could be done. But you might have to fab a bracket.
I have the 2.59 (92 vert c4 with automatic) and plan on driving the highways to see family. What gear ratio do u recommend. I will be leaving the original motor in. Thanks!
I would pick up a Dana 36 used with 3.07 gears. It would be real easy to swap in that way and would give you a better ratio. But if you want more then go with 3.54's. You won't get the best milage but it won't be horrible.
Wanted to see what your thoughts were on spacing for the intake manifold. I know it's tight, but how tall do you think you can go? I put a FAST intake system on my L98 and it was kissing the bottom of the hood, but it fit, so I'm curious on the LS intakes. For example, LS1 intake vs LS6 vs Holley AirForce. Thanks.
I'm not sure what intake will fit and not. But now I have the FAST LSXR 102mm and it fits with room the spare. I put some Playdough on the new intake and closed the hood and it has more clearance than a factory tpi manifold does. I would assume the MSD Atomic intake would also fit.
If I understand it correctly the latter model 3/4 ton trucks mostly came with a low profile pan. That's the one I'm using. Even with that pan on it will be the lowest point under the car (assuming it's a Vette). Just be careful to get the right old filter for that pan. Also either throw out or modify the converter cover. In stock form there a pain to work around.
Now I have a set of cheap C5 long tube headers on mine. They need a little modification but not too bad. There is a detailed thread about how to use them on the Corvette forum.
i have an 84, im 20 and want to do the same as you but suspension kits are so expensive. shocks are 2 grand alone, any suggestions? should i get a decent c5 and build it up or keep the c4 and swap it
I would keep the C4 and swap it. Rock Auto sells the Bilstein performance shocks for a good price if you don't want to go coil over. Honestly you could LS swap one of these cars and do a nice budget suspension and be faster than a C5 for a lot less
I have a 87 vette and it sometimes don’t want to start.it’s turns over Avery time I hit the switch but it will not start. I put new sparkles and wire and stripper cap and rotor was still on crack. The next day I go out and hit the switch it Fri right up. I Drive for a couple more days and it does it again can you help me out with a problem thanks
If you're putting an LQ4 with a turbo in a C4 Corvette you need a Dana 44 if you want to keep the independent rear. I would go with a 4L80e if it's an auto.
To be honest I wouldn't spend a lot of time looking for an LS1. There are other LS engines that cost much less and can put out the same power. Since I made this video I upgraded to a 6.0L LS that makes way more power. But if you just have to have an actual LS1 then look for 97 to 02 Corvettes and 98 to 02 f-bodies.
You could, but I wouldn't. It's much easier to just swap in aftermarket gauges and sell the factory cluster. But if you really want to keep the stock cluster it can be done. There are build threads online where guys show how they did it.
I have a c5 that I wrecked it’s a 1999 5.7 6 speed, the frame took allot of damage but everything about the drivetrain/ suspension is fine, any idea how easily all that would swap over?
Do you want to swap it over to a C4? If that's the case the motor would be easy but the transmission would be the problem. The 6 speeds in C5's are in the rear of the car. I would save the motor and sell the other parts. Use the money to buy a TKX trans with an LS bolt pattern.
@@chadk6938 yea I wanted to swap pretty much the whole thing over. But it seems like a project so I might dismantle the c-5 and build up just the motor really nice for a while and drop it in something in the future when I get it built the way I want. I just don’t know where to go from here
I'm thinking I want to build myself an 84' C4 with an LH2 version Northstar engine with twin turbos at about 650hp, a Chrysler A518/46RH OD trans, and 3.70 Ford 9" with a 4-link system and coil-overs. Then get rid of everything that's not absolutely required for street use, even the passenger's seat, no body's ever been crazy enough to ride with me anyways.
@@TrainerGuy it was from a company called Street & Performance. Unfortunately they are out of business. But there are lots of other companies out there now with similar setups.
The ones in the video were made by Street & Performance. They are now out of business. I pulled those off and now I have ebay stainless C5 Corvette headers. I had to weld on new collectors but it wasn't too bad.
Sorry if this was mentioned in the video and I missed it but does the 4L80e bolt right up to your LS1(LS6) or are there any adapters needed? I'm thinking of doing the swap with an LQ4, 6.0 truck engine, but don't know how simple the mate to the 4L80e will be. I've been doing a ton of forum reading but for a guy who's completely new to this, reading so many different terms has me a bit confused. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!
As long as you get the latest generation of 4l80e it will bolt right up to the bell housing. In a C4 Corvette you would need to make an adapter to bolt on the C beam but the motor will bolt to a 99 and up 4l80e.
@@chadk6938 Okay thank you! Also, do you need any of the original wiring harness or pcm if you swap in the holley terminator x max or does that take care of everything?
@@goosesalsa1664 The Holley harness takes care of the engine and the transmission. You can make it run some gauges also. But you will still need some factory wiring for lights and so forth.
Yes. The 4l60 was the older version that was used with the small block chevy after the 700r4. The 4l60e has a lot of upgrades as compared to the older version. But most notably is it has a LS bolt pattern.
I'm 70. Done a bunch of cars in my time and you are correct... this IS the heart of Hot Rodding.
Love it!! nice work, Real vids and Built Not BOUGHT, Bring us MO!!!
You and driveway engineer are my two main sources of research into this matter, every word you say in this video is of value, thank you!
Best informative video I ever saw on RUclips on LS swap, you rock
Great video. Nice car I bet it is a whole lot of fun. Would love to see a running and driving video as a follow up.
I just had to tell you that was a great video. I'm rebuilding a 84 C4 , it still has the original 350 cross fire and 4+3 in it. There's 134 thousand on it now. I was thinking about putting a LS in it and your video is a great help. I still want to keep it stick, but want to up grade to a 5 speed.
Love this guy, just straight forward.
Nice overview of your setup! Reminds me I need to make a video too about the little bits and pieces I used as well.
This video is amazing. I think I am more impressed with your dash setup than anything. Even if I don’t do an LS swap…I want to build my dash like that. Wow !
photos.app.goo.gl/98vzzy4Lpd4Z2bxT8
It looks a lot different now. I upgraded to Intelitronix gauges. I have a mount for the Holley touchscreen too that isn't in this pic. Hope the link works
great video, these 43 minutes probably saved me 2 or 3 grand. i picked up an 84 for $1000 last summer and i plan on taking it across the country with the new drivetrain. again great video
Everyone finds the cheapest cars except me 😂. Been looking tirelessly for a C4. Any tips?
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to shoot it.
Great video, I am in PA also. Indiana, PA near Pittsburgh. I have a 95 C4 with a 383 and 6 speed.
Good video, not many out there with LS swaps in C4s.
Great video! I could care less of the quality, it’s the information that is priceless if you people out there don’t know a thing about getting this swap to go cheaply. I have the right 5.3 out of a trailblazer that I drove before I popped it out and it drove A-1. The info on rear end, trans selection is good stuff. Along with gauge selection and Holley management ( worth the money I agree wholeheartedly) Again thanks for your time and information.
Awesome video with great information, thank you!
You're certainly the keeper of the flame when it comes to hot rodding a C4. I just got a 1984 black auto vette that runs and drives for 2500 bucks. This is the perfect solution for a smog controlled junk powertrain. i love rowing gears but you cut it down to size, in large theyre all autos till about '89, no matter what the 84 will have a dana 36. I wished you had the go pro because this would have 100k's of views. This really sheds light on how much our engines have evolved and what we take for granted, it will be a tough moment for me to modify an incredibly preserved vette with just 82k miles...but it's for the best. I've owned over a dozen TBI vehicles from 1984-1995 and they all suck, but this is the worst, the single TBI L89 is a reliable unit but this cross fire is horrific, like trying to balance 3 carbs on a 3 cyl snowmobile or pwc, the Million dollar question is...what preserves the cars value, because one day, 1 couple million people will realize the 84 was the best seller year and only about 55K were produced...then where does the price go! We don't want to butcher these cars, i think you've found a solid middle ground and to that, I say CHEERS!!! To LS swap and beyond!
I live in Louisiana, a/c is a must
i Just picked up a 1986 with standard transmission! Didn't realize it was not that common. Its been sitting on a lot for 6 years and hasnt run in that long either. I am planning on doing an ls swap(mostly because shifting feels...odd. Not to mention some better reliability and something im a little more familiar with. Thank you for this overview!
my c4 has a 4.8 ls with a t5 5 speed. originally a 350 crossfire with 700r4. i regret not replacing the intake manifold with a corvette/camaro style. i kept the factory intake manifold so im in the middle of building a cowl to bolt on
This is a great video. Been looking at C4 vette's up here in Canada and they are super expensive ($20k+) for decent '93+ drivers, but one can get decent 84's to 88's cheap ($8k to $10k) because either the engine sucks (84) or it just is a runner without being fancy/has high miles on it.
Funny enough I have a local buddy that specializes in Delorean LS swaps so he would be a great resource for this kind of job.
Yeah if he can swap a DeLorean then he can swap an early C4. It's fairly easy compared to some of the other swaps I've seen.
better swap is a real small block
I'm back -- felt like watching this again, when it popped up in my feed. You've really done a great job with this video. If people actually pay attention, they will be well-guided.
However, for those who can't or won't take on a project of this scope, I would suggest that a Gen-1 SBC is about 85-90% as good an engine, anyway, and capable of making enough power for the vast majority of us.
Please -- I'm not saying don't do an LS swap, I'm just saying think it through, first. What are your end goals, shop capabilities, and commitment level?
Think of the advantages, here: No trips to the junkyard to pull whole engines and other parts, and no custom fabrication to speak of. That stuff adds up to a _much_ bigger project. Also, _you can keep your A/C_ , and potentially keep your digital dash. BTW, an iron block is only about 100lbs heavier than an aluminum block -- do you _really_ care?
For an L83 or L98 engine (1984-91), the major components you'll need are different heads, cam, and intake. To go beyond about ~450hp, a block with four-bolt main bearings is recommended, but used ones are cheap. Besides, you could go with your two-bolt block initially. If it doesn't blow-up, it's good enough! While really good Gen-1 SBC heads aren't usually found in junkyards, they can be found used on eBay.
A snag; if you do want to keep your digital dash, you have to keep the stock ECU. That means tuning and burning e-prom chips for it, and (potentially) dyno time. Or, you can go ahead with the dash mods and run a self-learning Holley system, like Chad has done for his LS (BTW, nice job on the dash, Chad).
There _are_ tuners who will provide ready-made 'baseline' chips for common mods. Then, you can then have them tweak subsequent chips, if you want. Not ideal, but it's cheap and it can work, especially when using somewhat conservative tunes.
1996-1998 vortec.
till 02 in the vans and some trucks. sbc roller motor obd2 fuel injection mad torque and its the computer system and base form of efi that ran the ls1 everyone loves. but you dont wait for torque like the ls.
Thank you for the advise I am wanting to LS swap my 91 C4 it came with the L98 and its an automatic
I just finished a truck 6.0 LS swap in a 1986 manual Z51. It was built to be a road course track car that can be driven on the street. It's not comfortable but it's fun. You are correct, the junkyard engine was cheap and had 100,000 miles on it. We did very little to convert it and we will run it till it blows and buy another. It is the most affordable fun you can have. I use a purpose built 5 speed road course transmission that fit perfectly after a bellhousing swap. All Would Be Warriors out there should listen to this man about learning too weld. Not only for automotive purposes but you'd be amazed at how many things are simple to make yourself with basic fabrication skills.
Did you keep the 4+3 and manage to bolt it up to the 6.0? Which is assume is an LQ4 or LQ9?
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The 4+3 was never used with the 6.0 (LQ4). We replaced it with a Tremec TKO600 5 speed before the engine swap.
@@kriskat1521 Alright. I have the 4+3 and wasn’t sure if I’d be able to bolt it up to an LQ9. Thanks for the reply!
@@destruxandexploze2552 The 4+3 crapped out back when we tracked the car in stock form. The overdrive quit working and we became "in the way" on long back stretches because we couldn't get over 115mph. It really is a turd, please consider a trans swap, you will get the most out of your LS.
most only drive them for 3-6mnths and stored in winters.great info.
Man thank you great info just what I needed to know , ✅✅✅
Great video
Great video with to the point information. Your honesty was cracking me up. Nice job my man👍
Great information thanks. I'm in the process of building a C4 (I have an 800whp C7). I have an 1988 roller that has had the interior completely done with all new weather stripping. It's the perfect car for a swap. My plan was an NA 5.3 or 6.0 with 4L80E and Terminator X (with 7inch screen for gauges). My only issue is the rear. I know at some point I will add boost (likely a roots blower) and I'm not sure the Dana44 is up to the task. I know some have built their D44 and some have live axle swapped but at this point that is the holdup. Because of this I have considered changing my plans to stick with an NA build and putting in a CD009 6sp trans from a 350Z. I haven't seen anyone that was done a CD009 and the only real issue I see with it is the C4 has an offset shifter and the CD009 does not so I'll have to fabricate something.
One quick question, when you put the motor in, did you pull the hood and come in from the front or pull the tire and come in from the side?
I pulled the hood.
Excellent, thanks!
Love the video
I managed to pick up an 84 doug nash car that I've had to chuck another doug nash into... it blew up on me. I'm not giving up on this car though and I hope to eventually to the LS treatment and chuck a tkx in the car
I have a 1986 with a 396 stroker, with a tpis miniram, it's got a Yank 3800 stall, 48lb injectors, 200 cc world heads, eagle forged everything. 4L80 with adapter, and a D1 procharger, Hooker headers. I got rid of the digital dash, all analog green LCD gauges, a custom Eprom chip from TPIS. It's got new paint, a body kit, black on black. Put vents in the hood. For my gauge cluster, you'd be proud, there's a guy online who makes a solid steel bezel and it's got all the holes for gauges. I got rid of the breadbox also. This year this thing is done. 20 year project.
How did you mount your 4L80E in the car? Did you use an adapter for the rear of the trans with the C-beam? If so where can I find one cause I can not get one anywhere
@@liamfoley4452 There was a guy in Alabama who was making them. it's a quality piece, made it fit no problem. I was not the one who installed it, was my best friend, he's my mechanic. But he told me was a nice piece and I bought it like 2010, that was the only time I ever tried hunting one down. My car has been sitting for almost 10 years, so that was quite some time ago. Who knows if the guy is still in business. But if you hunt around they are out there. But the way everyone is trying to shut down the hot rodding comunitty things could be scarce. The guy made one from a mold, I do remember that. I feel lucky to have gotten it.
@@tileslasher I guess I’ll just have to keep looking then. I found a website that advertised it but when you click on the link it just goes to the home page. It was a kit with a new shorter tail shaft with the same splines as the existing driveshaft for the 700r4 and tail housing that was shortened and had the boss on the side to keep the c-beams original length and mounting style. I’ve seen multiple homemade ones with 4inch box steel cut in half to make a c shape that were welded to a plate that bolts on top of the 6 bolts that fasten the tail shaft to the 4l80e trans and then you just have to cut the c-beam, drill some holes, and have a driveshaft made. If I can’t find one by the time I get to that step I’ll just make it but there’s plenty to do now before I get there. Thanks for the info
@@liamfoley4452 I went thru 2 700s and that's when I had enough and was lucky enough to swap it out for the 4L80 mine is a manual automatic. Oh it's a brut. good luck buddy.
Vetteworks sells plates that work perfectly and locate the engine in exactly the right place. All other swap plates move the engine back too far. Also the c5 oil pan fits very well.
We would work well in the workshop, just getting it done while having fun
I've done the same but I wish I saw this before you did that. It's so easy to maintain the factory cluster. Just add an aftermarket tac c and temp oil pressure a/f gauges on your pillar. U just need the factory vehicle speed sensor
I could have kept the old cluster but I didn't want to. I really didn't like the factory gauges. I have all Intelitronix stuff now and love it. Either way it's easier to just swap in aftermarket stuff and sell off the factory one and probably make a few bucks. But if you like the factory gauges it can be done.
Thank you sir!
Considering an LS swap in the future but I'm a total noob when it comes to mechanical skill. Gotta learn more before I tackle something like this or make a lot more money to pay someone! Lol I'd rather learn and do it myself though...
Any advise on swapping in a manual transmission to a LS into C4 corvette?
That’s all I need I’ve got everything else
And thank you for the video. Getting to the point is all a simple man ask for and sir you sure did deliver in this video
It's easier to use a later six speed rather than the zf-6 that comes in the to corvette.
@@fryloc359 later as in what year? From what vehicle?
The GMC Envoy is the same as the Trail Blazer if you're looking for the aluminum 5.3
Long video and I’m gonna try to watch as much as possible, aside from the engine and trans, what other big money items are needed and how much custom fab/tuning is needed??
I have a 93, just thinking about "swapping" out for a C5/C6 that comes from the factory with an LS... 😉
More videos !!!! I’m starting mine tomorrow… Tone of LS swaps … But the c beam has me a little worried. My car was a 1986 Doug Nash stick car . It’s got the d44 .
Good video for sure for people wanting to get their feet wet.
I just finished the swap you are talking about. 86 Manual Z51, D44. I'll give you a big head start. Ditch the 4+3 Trans. There is no good way to make that POS work even when it was brand new. Great concept, but GM blew it on mechanical design. It was replaced with good reason with a 6spd in 1989. The C-beam was not much of an issue for us, just a pain in the ass to put in and out during test fittings.
@@kriskat1521 Is C-Beam another term for transmission cross member? I've never heard the term before.
@@whelkThe C Beam is the connecting piece between the transmission and the rear end on C4s. Google "C4 C Beam", go to images. It was a real hassle when trying to mock up for fit and then in and out multiple times for final install.
@@kriskat1521 What did youreplace the trans with?
The replacement transmission is a Tremec TKO600 5spd. Road course gearbox, no overdrive because we track. The overdrive version would work too. Used a Lakewood LS bell housing, it is shorter from trans to engine block so the shaft makes full engagement.
Hello, thank you for all the good info I have 1989 Corvette what engine you suggesting ? for more horsepower`s thank you 👍👍
Taking notes 🗒️ Great video man. Pretty wild if you really did it all for under a grand. Would love to do one for my 94
No don't do it on the lt1 if you want more power in the lt1 just put 195 heads and a hot cam it will give around 400 hp
i LS Swapped my 1986 K10 to make it a daily driver last summer . i work 50 miles from home each way . i got 12,000 miles on swap so far . but if you plan on making it a daily driver dont worry about miles get an old motor that runs with all the brackets and stuff . Do the swap run the hell out of it till it dies then get a long block from summit .
Sweet build. Id think the car would handle even better too because the engine is so much lighter! What kind of MPG are you seeing? Id love to do convert an 89 with the 6 speed!
It would for sure be faster around the track. But c4s are already quite "pointy" at the front end. Making it even more pointy is a bold decision for street driving. Better stay alert when driving in slick conditions.
84 vette is 🔥
For the drive shaft get a costume made carbon fiber one
My son has a beautiful low miles 1994 LT1 C4 however, he spun a rod and was looking at LS swaps however, he understands the electrics can be a problem due to the CPU running the drive-line and the car items as well. Any thoughts? Thanks.
Southern California can't find combos those prices, must be nice
Well gear swap OR Salt flats TOP SPEED run, w a 8 point cage + HANS device + fire XtinGusher, The Lincoln Tombstone, YEssssss, Sloppy Style 4 da WIN!!! 4.8 iron, SS2 iron LOG gt45 burnouts n Ice Cream
My engine on my lt4 c4 just got a rod knock, Ive rebuilt the engine twice now and was thinking of swapping it. Any advice?
I like the cut of your jib
This guy is right on 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
My friend I'm from California i have a 86 convertible automatic but I got problems with my original motor any recommendations to swap the motor and all the stuff that I need it ? I hope start with my project but I would like to be automatic because I'm in whellchair and that's the only that I can drive with my hand control with out bug modification thanks in advance if someone had ideas I'm be happy to get it thanks to the corvette community ..
Still have your 4l60e adapter and stuff it came with ? Willing to sell it?
trying to install by LS1. I have it connected to a 4L60e and have a couple of questions if you can help. What engine mounts did you use? I have the ICT brackets but can seem to find a good mount that will fit the C4. I need to move the block forward about a half inch to keep the heads from hitting the firewall. Second, what kind of linkage did you use for your transmission? Will the stock shifter work, or do I need to find an aftermarket shifter? Thanks for your help and advice.
I used cheap steel motor mount adapter plates that I got on eBay. First I tried a nice aluminum set be they were just too thick and wouldn't line up. But as far as a brand name I can't help. I would suggest looking for a steel set with lots of holes so you have options as to where it mounts.
As for shift linkage I used a B&M ratchet shifter. I never tried to use the stock shifter. I'm sure it could be done. But you might have to fab a bracket.
What size cam are you running?
What mounts did you use?
Where did you mount your computer?
I have the 2.59 (92 vert c4 with automatic) and plan on driving the highways to see family. What gear ratio do u recommend. I will be leaving the original motor in. Thanks!
I would pick up a Dana 36 used with 3.07 gears. It would be real easy to swap in that way and would give you a better ratio. But if you want more then go with 3.54's. You won't get the best milage but it won't be horrible.
Wanted to see what your thoughts were on spacing for the intake manifold. I know it's tight, but how tall do you think you can go? I put a FAST intake system on my L98 and it was kissing the bottom of the hood, but it fit, so I'm curious on the LS intakes. For example, LS1 intake vs LS6 vs Holley AirForce. Thanks.
I'm not sure what intake will fit and not. But now I have the FAST LSXR 102mm and it fits with room the spare. I put some Playdough on the new intake and closed the hood and it has more clearance than a factory tpi manifold does. I would assume the MSD Atomic intake would also fit.
@@chadk6938 that really helps thanks for the quick response
I have the 3.07 swap from 2.59 they were doodoo the 3.07 is much nicer but i think the better gear is 3.54 for street.
I'm Doing A 4L80E Swap With a Built And Stroked LS2. What exactly can I do as for as the transmission fluid pan for clearance?🤔
If I understand it correctly the latter model 3/4 ton trucks mostly came with a low profile pan. That's the one I'm using. Even with that pan on it will be the lowest point under the car (assuming it's a Vette). Just be careful to get the right old filter for that pan. Also either throw out or modify the converter cover. In stock form there a pain to work around.
What type of exhaust headers would you use on a LS swap on a 86
Now I have a set of cheap C5 long tube headers on mine. They need a little modification but not too bad. There is a detailed thread about how to use them on the Corvette forum.
What did you use for pvc valve brake booster connection ?
Rubber hose.
i have an 84, im 20 and want to do the same as you but suspension kits are so expensive. shocks are 2 grand alone, any suggestions? should i get a decent c5 and build it up or keep the c4 and swap it
I would keep the C4 and swap it. Rock Auto sells the Bilstein performance shocks for a good price if you don't want to go coil over. Honestly you could LS swap one of these cars and do a nice budget suspension and be faster than a C5 for a lot less
I have a 87 vette and it sometimes don’t want to start.it’s turns over Avery time I hit the switch but it will not start. I put new sparkles and wire and stripper cap and rotor was still on crack. The next day I go out and hit the switch it Fri right up. I Drive for a couple more days and it does it again can you help me out with a problem thanks
I wish I could but without looking at it I can't help. Take a look at corvetteforum.com. There are tons threades there covering no start problems.
What do you think about a lq4 turbo build what tranny and diff should I use
If you're putting an LQ4 with a turbo in a C4 Corvette you need a Dana 44 if you want to keep the independent rear. I would go with a 4L80e if it's an auto.
What year vehicle can I get an LS1 off of? Thank you in advance.
To be honest I wouldn't spend a lot of time looking for an LS1. There are other LS engines that cost much less and can put out the same power. Since I made this video I upgraded to a 6.0L LS that makes way more power. But if you just have to have an actual LS1 then look for 97 to 02 Corvettes and 98 to 02 f-bodies.
so you are able to keep the stock gauges with the 5.3 swap? its just harder to do?
You could, but I wouldn't. It's much easier to just swap in aftermarket gauges and sell the factory cluster. But if you really want to keep the stock cluster it can be done. There are build threads online where guys show how they did it.
Guessing your front brakes are low.
Hey Chad... I'm working on a special c4 project, I have a few questions, and would really appreciate it if we could get in contact please
I have a c5 that I wrecked it’s a 1999 5.7 6 speed, the frame took allot of damage but everything about the drivetrain/ suspension is fine, any idea how easily all that would swap over?
Do you want to swap it over to a C4? If that's the case the motor would be easy but the transmission would be the problem. The 6 speeds in C5's are in the rear of the car. I would save the motor and sell the other parts. Use the money to buy a TKX trans with an LS bolt pattern.
@@chadk6938 yea I wanted to swap pretty much the whole thing over. But it seems like a project so I might dismantle the c-5 and build up just the motor really nice for a while and drop it in something in the future when I get it built the way I want. I just don’t know where to go from here
I'm thinking I want to build myself an 84' C4 with an LH2 version Northstar engine with twin turbos at about 650hp, a Chrysler A518/46RH OD trans, and 3.70 Ford 9" with a 4-link system and coil-overs. Then get rid of everything that's not absolutely required for street use, even the passenger's seat, no body's ever been crazy enough to ride with me anyways.
I'm here because of the coil over shocks. got any content on that?
Yup I sure do
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Just swapped a 5.3 LS1 into our 87... runs great.
But what alternator bracket did you use?
@@TrainerGuy it was from a company called Street & Performance. Unfortunately they are out of business. But there are lots of other companies out there now with similar setups.
What kind of coil overs are you running?
QA1
I have a 1996 automatic with the LT1 motor. Is it a good idea to add a turbocharger ?
Thanks
It would be cool but good luck getting everything to fit. Both the hot end and the cold end piping would be a pain in the ass.
@@chadk6938 okay.
Good to know.
Thank you !!
Hey man I just got my dads 89 vette and what motor mounts did you use for the ls 6.0
I just used a cheap steel set I found on ebay.
@@chadk6938 what corvette form did you use to put the info on c beam bracket you made for 4l80
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www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c4-tech-performance/4469845-question-about-1350-u-joint-with-dana-44-a.html
@@chadk6938 thank you buddy
what header are you using?
The ones in the video were made by Street & Performance. They are now out of business. I pulled those off and now I have ebay stainless C5 Corvette headers. I had to weld on new collectors but it wasn't too bad.
Sorry if this was mentioned in the video and I missed it but does the 4L80e bolt right up to your LS1(LS6) or are there any adapters needed? I'm thinking of doing the swap with an LQ4, 6.0 truck engine, but don't know how simple the mate to the 4L80e will be. I've been doing a ton of forum reading but for a guy who's completely new to this, reading so many different terms has me a bit confused. Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!
As long as you get the latest generation of 4l80e it will bolt right up to the bell housing. In a C4 Corvette you would need to make an adapter to bolt on the C beam but the motor will bolt to a 99 and up 4l80e.
@@chadk6938 Okay thank you! Also, do you need any of the original wiring harness or pcm if you swap in the holley terminator x max or does that take care of everything?
@@goosesalsa1664
The Holley harness takes care of the engine and the transmission. You can make it run some gauges also. But you will still need some factory wiring for lights and so forth.
The automatic put out more than the manual somehow, look it up.
doesnt the corvette have a LS alredy from factory ?
1997 was the first year for the LS in a Corvette
Is there a difference between 4l60e 4l60 ??
Yes. The 4l60 was the older version that was used with the small block chevy after the 700r4. The 4l60e has a lot of upgrades as compared to the older version. But most notably is it has a LS bolt pattern.
Also it’s electronic. It’s a better transmission in my opinion. Doesn’t need a tv cable either. You can shift it electronically also.
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84 corvettes can still be had in excellent condition shop very little money. They’re not desirable because of the goofy fuel injection system.
Preaches on welding but uses a flux core welder….too funny😂😂😂
Yes most people don’t put miles on their vette, I daily drive my c4. I go anywhere and drive as long as possible