Electronic Thermostatic Shower Valve - This is impressive!
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- Опубликовано: 11 фев 2021
- My Real ReBuild project is almost done with Mechanical Rough-Ins and I think this Kohler System is absolutely the future of the Master Shower! I love that this Digital Thermostatic valve gives me some fantastic control options AND by mounting this in my attic I can easily do an upgrade or service without having to dig into my tile shower. Learn more at Kohler.com or
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Deja vu re Matt’s old house tour lamenting his decision to put in top of the line electric switches that ends up being a pain and unnecessarily complicated.
Amen.
I get that, but you know others are following suit and in the attic like that they're accessible.
@@steven7650 for the 15% of the country that can put utilities in their attic.
@@kraphtymac I'd guess overall between basements and conditioned attics we could get to 50%. There's no reason a lot of places can't build with a basement other than they refuse to out of tradition. Many places claim it's the water table or rocks, but it's not.
I like having my mixing
right in the bathroom-individual knobs for hot and cold!
People usually flex their pool or living room. Not Matt, he'll make you go to the attic, squat and look at his plumbing lol
Anytime there is a mechanical room - that’s what gets my attention!!
And that's why we love him!
$3k instead of turning a nozzle is pretty tough. I waste money with the best of them but damn.
I like the remote idea but I would still like to see hand controls as backup like when the power goes out.
@@mslinstrot4643 Well in his case, he has a backup generator when the power goes out.
paying extra for the privilege of having your shower being able to be hacked to scald you alive while getting rickrolled
It’s actually not *that* bad. I just did a shower with three water options, and three valves with diverter etc was around $2,300 for all the valves. With the electronic you just plug it all in and have a controller and no valves needed.
so many points of failure. I do like the idea of having it accessible in the attic.
Seriously. Give me a valve that works and I'm good. Every additional bit of tech is one more thing that'll bust over the next few years.
But the system is built to fail. So they make it easy to replace the parts....
Web connected valving for showers? You didn't vote the "right" way, your shower's been cancelled. Nah.
As a software engineer, this networked valve control system makes me cringe. Who wants to reboot or install software patches on their shower controls? This falls squarely in the “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” category for me. What’s wrong with sticking a hand in to turn on the shower and gauge the temp before stepping in? If accessibility to the valves is important, provide an access panel in a closet on the wall behind the shower.
@@readyplayer2 My thoughts exactly. It's an attempt to create something to make money but it seems like it will create more problems than solves.
“All your gonna see are two nipples”
I’ve heard enough.
It's a slow night
The world of carpentry is a cesspool of constant sexual innuendo. That's why I left. Now I just deliver hardwood to the backdoor of whoever pays.
@@ps3shakes123 hahahahahahahaha
Hehe
I was gonna write it, but you beat me to it! 😂
This is so AWESOME! I actually did almost the exact thing a few years ago in my master. Used 2 of the Kohler DTV valves for a his and hers shower so we can each have our desired temp. Also have the steam unit and am such a fan over the more popular ones. Their service isn't just for their big customers like you either. My steam unit wouldn't run and they had someone out and had it replaced in less than a week. One suggestion on the Ditra Heat - run it up the wall behind the bench to take the chill off your back. I have it throughout the bath, shower and bench but would do that if I had to do it over again. Both Kohler and Schluter are doing wireless integrations now, which I'd recommend so you can tell your 'smart speaker' to "get the sexy shower going" - as my wife likes to call it.
Kohler's history began with manufacturing engines for generators. They used the excess foundry capacity to make plumbing fixtures.
I’m a very tech savvy guy, but this is an over engineered “solution” that is brings a lot of moving and electronic components that can fail. Standard valves aren’t fancy but they just work and rarely fail.
I’ve had mine for 4 years and no problems whatsoever
@@Ampacityelectric that’s exactly what it costs lol
Being able to control the shower temp from outside is just asking for trouble
@@Ampacityelectric yup. 10k, but yo also have to remember that his concealed toilet carriers are around 1200$ per and the wall toilets he is installing are an additional 1200-1900 each. Plus, his plumbers destroyed a structural beam on the rough, last I checked it hadn’t been addressed, and the way they ran waterline and did some of the plumbing in that house like in Matt’s en-suite lavs, I’m not sure they were 100% sure on what they were doing. Should be fun to see how they plum the steam machine that’s meant to be installed at the same level or beliw the outlet 9 feet above it.
@@ny2la2day yeah, get back to me when it’s been 40 years.
Turning on the shower remotely... like a technology in Japanese showers since the 90’s
Not new in the states either, just becoming more common. Lexus did do the self parking cars 15 years ago and everyone else is now catching up!
The steam generator is the cherry on top! Need this system for my shower as soon as possible. Great vid, thanks for sharing!
Did you by any chance talk Matt Carricker into a similar setup in his renovation? Sounds like this would be right up his alley!
Third world problem : We need clean water to drink.
First world problem : We want endless hot water to shower.
Matt’s problems : I want to program my shower before I get wet.
Matt should build himself a ultra basic cabin in the woods to detox himself from all his frivolous Luxuries. The dude probably can't function without a HEPA filter attached to his face.
Haha
Seriously, just yesterday was on TV how EU immigration camps have no heat, no water, no hot water, and obviously no showers during cold WINTER temps. Guys go outside naked in snow and shower with ice cold rain water.
@@NA0533 Ask yourself a different question, why does Europe have to take care of something that isn't meant for them to pay for to begin with? Why didn't they just build those camps in Turkey where the muslims could assimilate properly? How are the Syrian camps even europes problem to begin with? Its a good way for ISIS to secretly come in, the perfect trojan horse. It makes no sense how those camps are even in europe. They didn't even vet who came in.
@@JOSEPH-vs2gc thats a different question. I don't agree with illegal immigration either, and I don't think those camps should even exist.
Normally I play these videos while washing the dishes and my wife makes dinner. I’m not letting her overhear this one. 😂
Matt, I rebuilt my bathroom about a year ago. I also installed the Schluter ditra heated floor. I love it. I opted for the WiFi thermostat so I can adjust it from anywhere, but its scheduled for 87 degrees for the most part. One other thing I did, and highly recommend: I mounted a 1st gen Amazon Alexa in the ceiling, ran a 3.5 mm cable-out to a $30 T-class amp in a closet, from the amp I ran 2 sets of speaker wires back to 2 8" steam-proof speakers mounted in the ceiling on either side of the bathroom. Now when I'm in the shower I can listen to my favorite podcast, ask the weather, listen to news, or change song and rock out! Trust me, its ESSENTIAL. :-)
I love this channel, but man this is just a bridge too far. If a shower requires a network cable, I'm out.
Damnt shower was cold because the kids and the wife were hogging all the bandwidth.
The good old days when it was only the toilet flushing that stole your hot water.
At least he's stimulating the economy. But yea, washing cash down the drain.
Ok boomer...
@@MariuszChr shouldn't make fun of the old guy. He is the only one left that actually knows how to do the plumbing. (Millennial holding a torch turning it over looking for the blu-tooth synch button.)
@@GeoFry3 well you guys are killing innovation. Few dumbasses messed up your approach to technology by selling you cheapest possible electronics from China. No wonder it fails and make you hate "networking cable to shower head". We do the same electronics in your car but its so hidden you don't even think about. And it works... You know why? Because it's not cheapest possible electronics, but designed and implemented using standards and known failures are mitigated.
Remember this one started out as a $50,000 Reno. Without all the freebies from sponsors this one would easily be over $1,000,000 to replicate in the real world.
Sooo a real life renovation creep..... yeah this real life for sure.
@@zlmdragon. I enjoy looking at the all the new gadgets and advanced building techniques, but it absolutely changes original intent of the series of renovation on a budget. I hope Matt eventually tries again to do a reno on a budget series. It'll be interesting to see what kind of trade-offs and cost benefit analysis he does on a more budget build.
Love the set-up, we have an earlier version we installed about 12 years ago when we built our house. A touch pad on the wall controls 4 wall spray heads, a rain head on the ceiling and a handheld. What I really like is programming the temp and what heads you want. My wife can set her program and I have mine and with a single touch you are ready to go. Wish I had the steam feature though!!
YES!!! Just ordered DTV Mode for a little bath remodel at home... happy to see great minds think alike.
Matt’s wife: Honey, I can’t get any hot water.
Matt: oh that’s simple. It’s either the keypad malfunctioned, or the electronic thermostat jammed, or we have to reset the controller or the Cat5 cable is shot.
Matt’s wife: Did you fix it?
Matt: no, The kid next door hacked my system again.
We had a Moen IoDigital put into our new build 8 years ago. Still going strong and we love it, I even got my wife the remote for Christmas that first year.
Back in the 90’s, there was a show called Beyond 2000. I vividly remember them showcasing something like this. Albeit I don’t recall the name brand.
I loved that show, have never heard anyone mention it before.
By vividly you mean vaguely.
It was moen.
@@danbedard290 Do you happen to know the season and episode?
I heated my shower bench with the ditra heat too and my wife loves it.
At 1200$ just for the controller, I see that Matt and I don’t have the same budget when it comes to my master shower
His shower valve cost more than my entire bathroom remodel lol
Yep, he's basically dropping 10k for a high-tech shower valve. I could do my entire bathroom for that.
@Greg Erthal Hah, good one.
Love that the water stays the same temp when the laundry, sink, dishwasher, or toilet are used, no more hot or cold water spikes. I put the Moen U in our shower last year & It's been Awesome.
Kohler is a legit company. I was part of the crew that wired the Honda Data Center in Ohio. Kohler built the massive A/B power substation and the 3 semi trailer sized back up generators.
I have had the Aqualisa digital shower unit for around 10 years, fantastic shower with a remote on/off button and probably half the price.
Can't wait to see the finished shower. Definitely do a video when everything is tiled and functioning.
Ok I busted your chops on type a or b water line, I’m a just retired contractor building my own house n used type A by the way . Now I’m just in the framing stage and I’m glad I saw this now n not later . I’ve been accused of liking gadgets, and these r gadgets. I see a steam filled shower with gadgets in my Mechanical room . And it’s conveniently on the other side of my shower . Thanks .
Being from Wisconsin we're all definetly very proud of Kohler. Good motors and generators too 🤙
Alot of products made in china
I have had my Kohler DTV system for 3 years now. I LOVE IT. I would do it again.
How can you build a "passive house" when your 9kw steam generator uses as much energy as a 3 ton consenser?
And I don't want to hear, "but 3 tons is closer to 11kw". I know that, but my 2200sf house is cooled with a 2.5ton unit.
because the steam generator will probably be in use for a few 10-20 minute sessions a week? Not only does it provide a benefit, it's negligible compared to how much energy heat or AC would use over a week.
Matt,
I am really excited to see this system in action and during installation. I have been looking at this digital system for my future home, along with multiple other construction details that you have shown. Looking forward to future videos about it.
Kohler has never let me down. Great products.
I have wanted a DTV for years now. It looks amazing.
Now I understand why you need this backup generator, to have a glass of cold water when grid is down ,lol. I agree it removes some future enhancements, would be great to have similar with some kind of tap in case you need that water.
Be careful with those networked elements, they’re the primary targets of cyberattacks. Make sure you’re careful with your firewall settings. On another note, I love how all the parts replacement is done away from the tile. Replacing individual parts is going to be really easy.
I love how clean it looks
Good to know that when I remodeled my bathroom in the UK, 3 years ago, with the Mira equivalent thermostatic valve, I was using the future.
I like this. I love the idea of not having the valves in the wall! I see they also have a more simplified control for this, which I like
This is an incredibly expensive system compared to the benefit. If you've got the cash, great, but it doesn't make the cut on the cost/benefit analysis for me
Yep. He probably gets it for free though so it works for him.
If you're cool dropping $10,000 on a system like this, cost/benefit doesn't factor into it.
@@SgtZima people with excess money spend like this all the time.
@@do4267 Exactly
@@SgtZima or sponsorship
Steam generator - awesome, I have one myself; valves not inside the wall, behind the tile - really good, I like Hans Grohe line with valves in front of the tile, easier maintenance; touch screen in shower - bad idea! Yet to see one registering your interaction with it reliably enough to not be super annoying!; Electronically controlled valves - ha ha ha... we, as an engineering species, really didn’t evolve enough to make this robust, reliable, and secure.
Very cool attic setup. I have a 10x9 wet room in my house being built and I just couldn't find a place to install this without being difficult to get to without hiding behind a wall or something. So, I decided to bail on the steam idea, plus all the mechanical stuff that will eventually go wrong. My house is high-tech enough, just give me a valve and a shower head. Thanks for sharing though, pretty cool.
Installed a mira digital shower a year ago. Love it, better pressure. Just watch out, if you turn on hand unit after you are in the shower you get the cold leg in the face first!!
This is awesome. So clever and accessible.
Pretty cool setup, really like how you've set it up so it's accessible in case there are issues with it! Seems like there was a lot of thought that went into designing the whole thing.
Just needs lighting to highlight the different units so you don't have to use a flashlight to inspect or repair.
Should’ve installed some lights in that attic area for service and showing friends! Hahaha. That’s going to be a nice shower!
Put in body sprayers! I've had a bigger version in my house for five years, and it's amazing! The valve did break just before five years, but it's still awesome! Kohler was great to work with and it was replaced for free!
Even if they managed to make to make the touchscreen work reliably in variably-wet conditions (which I'm not convinced they have), there is a huge amount to be said in support of tactile physical controls. I can easily adjust my shower temperature or sprayer valve knobs literally with my eyes closed, when covered in shampoo or soap suds - and I often do.
A touchscreen control, or even multiple touchscreen controls several feet(!) apart, is not unequivocally "better".
You had me at steam. That's what I want so bad.
Matt great story I am so suprised about Tankless water heaters, I lived in Australia and we had one put in back in 1987 when I first built my house there. They have them all out side as well. After these last couple of days, where Texas has had to experience no Elec and everything freezing a lot of folks will be thinking about generators for sure. As with all the tech you are putting in your house the one thing folks need to know if you lose power you are out of luck. I have been in IT for going on 40 years now, while I love it, I till worry about depending on everything needing Elec. This the weakest point in this entire country if hackers took out the power grid for the country we would really be hurting.. Great stuff Matt I enjoy your channel very much.
Matt, since you are going high tech, why don't you install a camera or two in the attic pointing at the equipment then you can show it off without actually having to go into the attic.
Nice idea that way he see right away if there's a leak or a problem thumbs up 👍
Great idea. But the cameras could fail, so we need another system to monitor the cameras, at least a new set of cameras looking at the first cameras. Never too safe.
@@guillaumelafleche9477 great idea now we talking problems solved 👍
Cool, another way for companies to collect information on you.
What is the fail-safe condition if the power is cut off, or if the thermostatic valve or any of the digital components were to malfunction?
Second consideration . . . if it's not already too late: a small showerhead about 18" or so above the floor, for when you only want to take a "feet shower".
excellent video, very interesting Kohler products. Looking forward to the final walk through
Dude, that's a legit shower setup!
Solutions to problems that never before existed. This is the Moneypit2020...
I'd like to see what Matt has done for information cabling. His plumbing is exceptional, his electrical is excellent.
Most people simply settle for wi-fi, and don't bother with hard wired IT delivery... which is better. I believe a high-end project like Matt's deserves IT wiring... in conduit... with home runs to that lovely, spacious attic.
You should talk about cost. I know that maybe not everyone may be able to afford but I think price points can be included as a reference and idea...thank you for the content
Everything is sponsor so cost is irrelevant tbh.
I’ve repaired a few of theses, $300 part from Kohler. $300 labor for the two trips......
$600 to stop a drip that costs $125 for a typical faucet.
Kohler sucks. 36 yr pro plumber here.
Kohler, Moen, American Standard.
Respect all 3 for their quality and service. Kohler...have to give them a slight edge. Ever since I first worked with their stuff in the 90's, I've appreciated the extra little bits, like the overflow pan you just showed. Nice shower.
1st class Everything. Everywhere. Awesome build
I love your videos! I am hoping to build a new home in a few years and I'm wondering if you have ever put together a resource to link all the top notch products you have shown. I know they are all there in your videos, but they are so varied, from hinges and hardware, from pocket doors and exterior windows/doors, to hose bibs to master shower plumbing, I would love to see an accessible resource to all those products linked together.
These Kohler DTVs are awesome! Enjoy it!
I know your attention to detail is incredible so I’m sure you have a reason not to, but I would think running a hot line to the steam generator would be more efficient energy wise.
I would think for the same reason you don't run a hot water line to an instant hot water heater, the efficiency in the steam unit negates the need to have hot water sitting in a pipe waiting on demand. The water would cool in the line when sitting possibly 12 hours between uses.
How do you have a steam unit up stream. I installed this same unit and in the directions it specifically says unit has to be below the exhaust and slope away from unit if pipe is running a distance since you know steam rises.
Kohler is what I’m planning on using in our build. Best shower I’ve ever been in at Old Course Hotel st Andrews by Kohler
Check where it's made alot of their products are made in China.
This is so cool.
Crystal Cabinets in Princeton, Mn
T-Stud out of Elk River, Mn
Uponor in Hutchinson. MN
A lot of Minnesota made products in this house
I think he has family from MN or im mistaken
Lived near Shoreview MN (North Oaks) and have lived in 8 other cities/states... the highest quality of residential home construction, that I’ve observed over 25 yrs and 10 home purchases, was in MN. The bldg codes were extensive and strictly enforced... built to stand the test of time
This is way too nice and I'm very jealous 😤
For a steam shower, would you tile the shower ceiling or is a “shower grade” paint good enough? Thinking of something like an BM Aura Shower paint. Thoughts?
What about a regular shower, not steam?
@Travis Hantsbarger thanks
What is the story with the exterior side of the Zip sheathing showing in the attic?
Matt I think you are like one week ahead of me in construction. Next week's project involves planning systems that go in the attic space above my master bath. I had not thought considered this Kohler doodad because I worried about having too much tech behind a tile wall, but you make a great case for putting it in the attic above. Also, I've been considering a steam shower. It's nice that it's all part of one system. So, chances are the Kohler people will get at least one quick sale from this video.
I installed one of those in Kempner, TX for my buddy, who has ALS. A bit more work, but MAN it is awesome! BTW, I saw one of your trucks on MoPac earlier today... wanted to speed up to give a quick thumbs up, but the roads were too dicey... so, I played it safe... love the channel, btw.
That is amazing tech!
Brilliant.
my overflow is gold
I like the idea of keeping valves separate from the wall, but the electronics are a bit much for me. And I run a small tech firm doing design/build of supercomputer systems. I have three software patents to my name. Sometimes I like simple. But awesome if anyone else loves it. Not knocking it. Thanks for the product intro. I saw the final result in another video of yours, and admit it is impressive.
wow it's been a while since I've seen such good combination of "unnecessary & expensive".
Anyway I like most of your videos Matt, thanks for the content!
Similar system was made by HansGrohe, but no steam option, that I was aware of. Fantastic system, until it goes wrong, only 2 engineers in the country (UK) can work on them, have had 2 problems in the 5 years that I have had this system, one of the head valves failed, was replaced foc. The second was a lot more complex to find, but a very simple cause. The temperature sensor failed, it was replaced, then the system would shut down after a few seconds, they changed the entire system, the control unit, the cables, everything, with no joy. We went through the entire plumbing system, this shower requires a very different layout to the standard in the UK, large pipes, 22mm, instead of the standard 15mm, full bore valves, and a pressurised hot water tank, instead of the dreadful combi boiler that is so popular. The engineer had the same problem at another installation, at a very rich Russian’s house in London, who was making a huge fuss about his shower not working. He had originally had problems with his plumbing, 15mm pipes had been used, so he had to have it all replaced, after the house had been finished, which he was not happy about, I had read the instructions first so all was good for me. System is German, the OEM got involved, they took one of my old units, by now replaced twice, plumbed it in at their factory, all working, sent it back, same problem. Finally we worked it out, the temperature sensor, they had some reliability problems with the original design, and replaced it, the new one worked fine in Germany, but one big difference, in Germany they had circulating hot water, so the shower was hot as soon as turned on, this is very uncommon in the UK, so the hot water is cold until the hot tank water reaches the shower, in my case about 10 seconds, the new sensor was saying ‘fault’ and shutting down the control unit, this was not mentioned in the instructions. All good now, but a very expensive system. I don’t have the music option, the cost of the speakers was just too much, special water proof speakers, I do have the lighting control option.
Love watching you on The RUclips im always learning something w/ you. Thanks Big Guy
You truly could be the next Bob Vila, only with more enthusiasm!
Good call putting the electronic valve where you can replace it; my research suggested you’ll need to in just a few years, that’s why I went with conventional valves.
Have to say BRAVO! Personally I wouldn't put those hi-tech in my bathroom, but everyone has right to do what they want in their own homes. Watching your's and Steve Baczek videos I learned so much about home building and specially passive house building. You two explain things in such a way I started making model of my future home in SketchUp (arhitect still needs to do his/her job). You guys go in such a details and explaining why things are done in certain way blows my mind. Explaining all new technologies in building industries... wow! Because of that I have million questions about building wood home (in Europe we build in a different way). One thing I've noticed, in your own future home, walls are 24'' OC and about 10' high (if I'm not mistaken) but without blocking. If it's possible can you tell me is it necessary to do blocking since walls are 24'' OC and 2x6 stud walls have a lot of weight to carry? Thanks!
That Kohler system was released back in like 2011 (?). I remember seeing it at KBIS with a former employer, so it was before 2012. Hard to call something "the future of XYZ" a decade after it's introduction.
Thank you. Perfect timing. I'm in a middle of doing my shower. .....
Awesome Bathroom setup.
Question: will bedroom sounds pass through the recessed medicine cabinet to the stairway/living room?
That's huge that the steam is integrated into that same control. In the past we've covered that copper line to the steam outlet with high heat insulation from the plumbing supply.
I've been a fan of Kohler for a while. Our house has a Kohler cast iron tub, Kohler faucets and toilets.
I really like the change from placing something in a different location than the bathroom, so you can change it as your needs or wants change. I do wonder what kind of price tag is on such shower equipment. It's pretty cool to follow how you are doing this rebuild.
So sweet!
That's awesome! I'm going to look at getting that setup in the house we're about to start building. How much is this full setup if you don't have Kohler sending you boxes of comp stuff?
Not for me, especially when I start thinking about how much I'd actually use it and what the per use cost is. I'd rather save the money and retire a month earlier. :)
retiring is a boomer concept.. we don't get to retire
I don’t know what your talking about. I’m retiring when I’m 50.
@@lewisfisk good on you but overall i don't count on that in the next few years.
@@steven7650 Why?
I have a $100 Moan shower valve with a separate control for Hot and Cold balance. Turn it on and it’s always the same temperature. I can even change that balance while I’m showering!
I don’t think this product will go anywhere. It’s just an unnecessary opportunity to spend money for much greater risk of failure...
Just my opinion.
That is nice Matt. I would have suggested adding a rain system showerhead.
You need to look at getting all those sweet items hooked up to some home automation. Home assistant is great for diy.
is that plug protected with a ground fault breaker cause the plug isn't a GFCI
I provided power to one in a client's house. That's how we did it there. That was installed in the shower wall with access from the backside in a walk in closet.
Since it’s unfinished, it may just be pending, but will you insulate/wrap the copper steam line, or leave it bare due to the high temp?
Six months ago does fill like the other day time seems to be flying by
That's what happens the older we get 😉
The thermostatic valve is AWESOME!!!
What water heating method did you decide to go with?
The reason you want to be able to turn on your shower remotely is because the water takes time to get to your perfect temp. A problem easily (and very cheaply) solved with a feedback loop that allows a trickle of water to be pumped from the hot water pipe at your shower head back into the the hot water tank. The is keeps the HW supply always at the tank temp.
Does it have memory for the settings for multiple users?