@dekay1428 I understand that this is a monumental task, but he could do a whole series of videos. Focusing on each class showing how to build, mechanics and also items that complement that build. It would get a lot of views.
Funniest thing ever is hearing almost all the Archetypes I picked show up as worst options. I love summoning in RPGs as well as damage mitigation classes. It is what it is though! Very informative vid! 😂
Mort is a good reviewer and gamer, but his opinion isn't always spot on especially when personal bias comes in to play. If you succeeded at your playthrough and had fun that's all that matters
@@MortismalGaming no worries dude! It was more them showing up back to back than anything else! I'm about to do a Mammoth Shifter run soon, so this will help me choose custom party members for Archetypes I never looked at before!
If you go Azata, pick ascended summons ability and a bunch of other stuff I think you can become a one-person army and really overwhelm enemies. But you really have to commit to summoning completely, which most people dont want to.
Divine Hunter (Hunter, not Paladin.) is one of my favourite Archetypes. It allows you to add Cleric Domain spells to your spellbook - that's +2 extra spells per domain per level. Combine this with impossible domain and suddenly you'll have a very broad and customisable spellbook while maintaining your animal companion. Combine with Mythic Trick Lore Religion for even more spells.
Love the vid. To add to the Shifter section, Dragonblood shifter used to be worse than Effigy (Courtesy of what you get being a worse version of what other classes have), but with the latest patch they have been buffed/fixed to actually get a better version.
@@nestorgamer9746 Yeeah, I do know that. I do have the game on the top of the list. Right now just no-lifing Factorio, but will have a go at Pathfinder soon, I have it on my Library already.
Any chance we can get a fresh video on the Mythic Paths and how they might fit with some of the new classes/types and how they may have been impacted by some of the nerfs/buffs in the recent patch? Love the content.
Monster Tactician ain't half bad. Early game summons are a win fight button and even at the end of the game I had Ice Giants caving in skulls at core difficulty, but I go hard in to specializing in to summoning. Losing judgments I don't think is a big deal, because you can easily have too many swift actions to the point fight's don't last long enough for you to activate them. This is especially the case if you go Aeon as it's the best mythic for monster tactician. Personally I think Faith Hunter is the worst. You lose a domain for another swift action on a swift action loaded class.
Cavalier of the Paw is awesome! I'm currently playing one in my new Azata playthrough after I gave up on my first Angel Cleric in Act3. I just picked it for the name because I wanted something that fits something RP wise for the Azata theme and a Halfling riding a dog + a Succubus fawning over a short king, that is half her size, sounded like a lot of fun. So much better than my first abandoned playthrough.
Primalist is so good, letting you pick and choose between bloodline powers and babarian totems, so you can take (two!) totem every 4 lvl or get your bloodline powers. Getting whatever is best suited for your build when it suits you is pretty sweet. So you might skip a bonus to acid resistance for two totems, but you'll be sure to take your serpentine reach at lvl 12!
what's make it insane is that you can take a mythical ability to have 2 bloodlines... then you gain double feats and double abilities, letting you combine all of the massive bonuses from rage power with bloodline benefits on top of it. By act V, my bloodrager MC could slash bosses to death in 1 turn... Bascially the barbarian, just a lot better in every way.
I understand that claim for sure but in my experience I've found Instinctual warrior barbarian easier to play on higher difficulties than Primalist. They're essentially two sides of the same coin where as Primalist focuses on the raw damage viability aspect Instinctual warrior is better for defense and hitting concealed Targets.
yeah my biggest issue with the genre is how much foresight is needed to play them. it reminds me of when i tried playing divinity original sin 1. and i cant remember how many times i restarted, simply because i never felt like i picked a good starting party. the issue is how the progression makes your early decision feel much more heavy. its the same issue i had with neverwinter nights. where in order to test a build viability, i had to make a character in the dlc that bumped your level to 15. and then see who was able to survive the first gauntlet of enemies. ironically, MANY of the characters that were far better earlier on in the original campaign, would get killed easily. like barbarians, fighters and even some paladins. the only class that i felt was really good at both the early game, and the early dlc test ended up being the cleric. but that's besides the point.
Am about to dip my toes into wotr so really appreciate updated content. Rules and complexity is manageable being an old Rolemaster addict 😊(TTRPG if someone remembers it). I do not really want to play Oracle/Angel do-goder as a playthrough so all new content giving ideas are great! Keep it coming
I feel like giving a small shout-out to Inciter Skald. It gives up very little, and lets you share Sneak Attack with your whole party. Since you'd probably only use Skalds on melee heavy parties anyway, this feels really nice to have. It also lets you choose Archetypes without Sneak Attack for other party members (Judge for Inquisitor over Sanctified Slayer being a favorite trade of mine).
Looked into everything Inciter gets after reading this and *dang*. That’s a lotta cool stuff. Perfect fit for my animal companion-heavy Azata nature playthrough.
@@zangatsubankai For real. Only issue I’m having atm is that I have a Skald and a Brown Fur and neither have a companion. I know I can get Bismuth in Act 2, but I was hoping to end up with six animals total.
I started a Sword Saint playthrough as a result of your first video about 2 weeks ago and I've just started Act Four. It's SO much more fun & more effective than playing Fighter (which I did my first time) and I honestly think the game exaggerates the complexity, especially since the class gives you options you just don't have as Fighter such as "Mirror Image" and AOE damage ranged spells whilst still having reasonably decent AC. I'm gonna watch this one anyway since you might give me an idea of what class to try when I do a Lich run next.
If you have time on your final playthrough, i would be curious to see a build guide or two using some of the newer archtypes. Magic deceiver, bloodseeker and winter child all seem super fun!
I have been wanting to hop back into WOTR once the dlc was all out... I havent played in like two years, Im nervous with all the fixes to rework my characters, I hope you make some build videos Mort! thanks for your work, within pathfinder and outside of it!
I recently did and am like 15-20 hours in now. I’ve never been so paralyzed by choice. 😁 dear god, with all the DLC installed, there’s too many classes to keep track of. Then my ranger hit level 4, and wait I have to choose between like 20 pets? And then I do choose, and wtf, my pet is another character that I need to pick a class and feats for? 😆
@@TechnoLawyerI understand what you mean. I spent forever in the character creator because I didn't know what to pick. Ended up going with a sword saint magus.
It still good pick Lich buff undead also you don't need to merge spell book to be op as lich, look around many have lich build that are not full caster Crpgbro one who have tone of builds.
Nobody ever talks abhout Witch of the Veil, so I have no idea what the class' general perception is, but it is my favorite Witch archetype and super fun to play.
Had a lot of fun with the Magic Deciever Arcanist making weird spell combos. I also like to give paladins a dip in Titan fighter so they can combine a two handed Weapon with a shield
Not a big fan of archetypes where you just give up your defining class feature to play essentially another class as a hybrid - Sanctified Slayer feels like more of a Slayer than an Inquisitor and while hybrids can be fun, sometimes when I play an Inquisitor I just want to actually be an Inquisitor.
to me, archetypes SHOULD all ditch the defining class feature, for a VARIANT of that archetype. that's what should set them apart. for example, lets say you have a shifter class that is all about transforming. this is the main gimmick of the class. there should be an archetype that isntead of completely shifting, it instead shift parts of your body. other archetypes should focus on shifting on specific monster types. giving you more bonus when you do shift into them, at the cost of only being able to transform into that type. and that's how many of the archetypes here work. they lose something, or limit them. the issue is, they dont offer an equivalent exchange. if you are limiting the class into what it does, you better make something else it does MUCH better. It shouldnt be slightly inferior, or just the same. it should be a massive upgrade to that aspect of the class, since you are sacrificing something core to its identity.
I'd love to see a video outlining your thoughts on base classes, with no archetype chosen. I find in a lot of games that go down the specialist rabbit hole, people end up dismissing the base class, which means there's not a lot of info out there about them.
Off the top of my head there are two cases (Kineticist and Paladin) where there is a good argument to just take the base class. Otherwise the archetypes are usually the way to go.
@@MortismalGaming Thanks for the reply Mort. Putting aside "effectiveness", how about class fantasy? I usually find that a lot of these archetypes diverge quite a lot from that. Then again, I don't know how familiar you are with it, but I'm one of those oddballs who prefers playing "Core" Warrior in Guild Wars 2, because no matter what anyone says about effectiveness, it's the one Warrior variant that I enjoy playing the most, and the one that feels closest to the class fantasy.
Mort - could you do a beginner guide for each class? How to build them and why? Lots of conflicting info and personally it feels like I'm building characters wrong.
I dont have the time that would take tbh, best advice I could give is watch something like the combat section of my new players guide to understand how all the rolls are made and then focus on learning a specific class and once you feel like youve got that down branch out into classes that use similar features
One thing I would like to say is that Steelblood Bloodrager makes for an excellent dip for Arcane casters, because the 1st level feature that eliminates Arcane Spell Failure for Bloodrager spells instead works for ALL Arcane spells in WoTR.
On my way to become a Lich with Sylvan Sorcerer (1st playtrough) 😊 can't wait to try merged spell book . Will probably try Dual cursed Oracle for good playtrough 😊
I kind of want Owlcat to return to Pathfinder. WotR is *good*, but I find myself missing the more down to earth nature of Kingmaker's story...but it's really hard to return to Kingmaker, since WotR did such a good job upgrading things on a mechanical level.
There's still a good case to be picking spirit hunter. Yeah Camellia has it but it's a pretty versatile class. Further more if someone's running a good aligned party there's really decent reason to suggest *spoilers* camellia wouldn't stay in the roster the whole game
Which Mythic are you planning to choose, Devil? Lich will be difficult with not being able to select Necromancy spells (Or Transmutation for that matter, but having another caster buffing the party is still a good possibility)
I made a divine scion paladin of abadar with 3 levels in sable company marine so he can ride a hippogriff. One of abadars servents is a hippogriff named old cob that probably gives out parking citations. I love pathfinder lore.
I don't have any interest/have never played Pathfinder, but I enjoy listening to your longform videos, and it's extremely satisfying to listen and watch. Hope you are having a great Fourth, and thanks as always for your hard work!
Very happy to see the video ! Love the WOTR content anyway. Little thing because you pointed it out, the Gendarme end with a closed "e" so the end sound is more like "harm" :) I have to make a shout out to my last run and the Titan Fighter. It's gross, Double wielding greatsword with crit on a 17+ (1/5 chance) doing 7 attack base that double strength bonus on damage... it's just nuts. I'm also playing angel and with some basic buffs and good item (the one you get by just playing tho, not hunting for loot), I start at near +60 to hit, with an average of 150-170 damage per hit, and 450 on crit. Currently, with some heaven sword upgrade, I have 8 attacks, and I've delt in a single turn, in the average of 2 to 3000 damage. And that's without adding the Seize the Moment feat that just proc like crazy. It's just ridiculous. And I'm sure that going kitsune to get pounce, and mythic charge could get some even crazier damage.
Instinct barb 2, Titan Fighter 9, STR, x2 Glaives Goes online at the end of Act 1 when you start getting stat items/buffs. Works 100% without cheese, but if you want you can get archmage armor with mythic shenanigans. Alternative Forbidden Sauce: DEX, Elf stat variant, Mythic Finesse, x2 Elven curved blades.
Conversely I think the Beast Tamer is fantastic. It isn't as expensive feat wise to make a good summoner with a Beast Tamer cause you get some of the most important stuff for your summons for free when you level up. Beast Tamer and Monster Tactician are two of the only archetypes that make summoning actually viable, on any difficulty, in my humble opinion.
For Paladin I'd actually go with the base class. Better than the sub-classes IMO. In fact I have gone with that for my current play-through, currently in Chapter 3.
Is the benefit of Kinetic Knight to use the Kinetic Blade without burn not that good? Seems like it limits your possibilities but takes away the main cost.
I will say, for Hunter, I still go with Tandem Executioner. That archetype trades spells, never a big focus in the class, for even more Animal Companion Buffs, which are both defensive and offensively focused, allowing you to build either a mount or a support for a ranger character that increases in power as you go up in levels. The defensive side allows you to swap your ability score for skill checks instead, and built right, easy to do thanks to Hunter and added to with equipment, or say, Azata's All Skilled Mythic Feat, and suddenly it becomes almost impossible to hit your animal companion, while mounted feats make it so your animal companion makes it impossible to hit you while you're on their back. The offensive side gives you, effectively, no misses AND buffed damage. I think it's only supposed to add to the main attack, but studied target, as of the patch for Masks DLC, still adds its to hit and damage bonus to EVERY strike from an animal companion. For, say, a Sabertooth Tiger, this is 5 basic attacks, which can be expanded to 7/8 with the right equipment. And you, on their back, can benefit from the same, dual-wielding, with two bite attacks, and a doubled second attack through a feat. For those keeping score, at level 20 that is potentially, 52 EXTRA damage a round, on top of anything else going on, AND with all the to hit multipliers you basically cannot miss. On Unfair versus most bosses(Inevitable Darkness, Sithid, even the demon at the end of Through the Ashes, when you're quite weak), this thing basically never does lower than 20 damage per attack, and attacks 10+ times a round. The one flaw is it has ZERO crowd control, and has to run between every enemy, meaning while it basically takes one thing out every round, it only takes that one thing out, and in some brawls, that is not nearly fast enough.
thank You for providing videos :) was wondering if its possible to get recommendation oh what mythic path play (I mean order) so it would make most sense, like if I recall You can learn different things going each path or smt like that :) anyway cheers! and good work! :D
I wonder if playing BG3 might have helped my understanding of this game now. Maybe I'll dig in again at some point. Initially, I found it too overwhelming and granular, but it might click.
On the fun scale, I thought it was hilarious to play a Mad Dog Barbarian Halfling charging into battle on his Mammoth. Next I want to make a fighter who dual wields two handed weapons. Any tips on which weapon to weapon focus in? Maybe (a) build guide (s) for the alternate story line would be useful as well?
For your Titan Fighter build, Elven curve blade and fauchard have the best crit ranges (both require exotic proficiency). Elven curve blade looks the best, while fauchard has reach. If you want to be a frontliner, take ECB. If you want to hide behind your tanks, take fauchard. Two notes: First, with the new heavy armor mythic feats, you don't really need to hide behind your tanks, and second, you probably won't want to dual wield your two-handed weapons until Mythic 2, when you can take Mythic Two-Weapon Fighting. Before that, the penalties are a little too high, so you'll probably want a shield in your offhand (or at least a small weapon). [EDIT: Oh, falchion also has a high crit range, but I don't really like the available options, so I tend to overlook it.]
It's sad that they didn't port the Spirit Guide oracle archetype from the tabletop. It sacrifices some revelations for the wandering spirit shaman ability, and a hex from the spirit you pick. The spells you get scale with your caster level instead of your class level. That means it would be great to multiclass with. I only recently got into the tabletop, and this is my favorite archetype so far. It's not only really flavorful, but mechanically cool too!
so basically, summoning sucks and companions are op for the most part? so one of the best class/archetypes would be one that doesnt lose much but gains an animal companion?
Just starting my game for the first time. Animal companions are awesome. My gendarme cavalier can trivialize most initial encounters because the horse charge just cause mobs to explode.
Barbarian is on the whole not as good as bloodrager. But I have found Instinctual warrior easier to play on higher difficulties than even primalist cause of the automatic blindfight progression and stuff. Could just be my personal experience though.
Cavalier of Pike is definitely the worst cavalier. You give up your mount for a small bonus to longspears. Which is completely useless in no small part because longspears get a bonus when used for mounted charges anyway.
I'm surprised no one is looking into bloodrager more. I kinda like it, to be honest! Having fun handicapping myself with an elven spelleater bloodrager 😂
I feel like summons are often slept on because of them being weak compared to the enemies, but... they do also provide crowd control by giving the enemies decoys to soak up attacks while the main cast whales on them.
I made a bard for summoning tons of things and then my mage hastes all of them. They are not bad with a boat load of attacks. Also yer right using them as a mimic beacon is great
Hagbound is oddly a good class for the gold dragon mythic path. As a low BAB, high strength, natural weapon, full caster they get the most benefit from the gold dragon abilities.
i find it kinda funny how complete opposite to something like neverwinter nights 1 this is. with heavy armor being the best, and companions being atrocious due to the nonsensical shared exp.
Feeling like playing this game again. But I dont know what myth path to take. I cannot default to Azata again but I loved it so much, I'd like to. I think I want a full merc run to build unique teams.
If you’re looking at sorcerers I think Sylvan is arguably the most powerful. Animal companions are so busted in this game since they can easily get teamwork feats. You don’t even have to raise their int to qualify just put on a +int headband. For that matter any class or archetype that has access to an animal companion is busted
I facepalm over the inclusion by Owlcat of some archetypes like the Forester (Hunter) which is a remake of the Ranger, the Arcane Bomber Wizard (sigh), etc.
Stuff like Arcane Bomber I think should be cut if they do ever make another Pathfinder title, like I'm all for cool and interesting archetypes but the stuff that is essentially useless really should just be removed to keep the bloat down.
Can we ask for new beginers builds. It would be nice to have one for each class
Can we also get build for each mythic path. And also update for beginers guide.
I would love that, and it would take a while since the gear, testing, and compatability "in the field". So I am not confident he will anytime soon.
@dekay1428 I understand that this is a monumental task, but he could do a whole series of videos. Focusing on each class showing how to build, mechanics and also items that complement that build. It would get a lot of views.
Also composition of the team.
I agree it would be nice, but the time it would take would be enormous This isn't the only game he covers. He works hard to give us content as it is.
Didn’t know I missed Mort talking about WoTR classes so much.
I must have spent hours studying his videos in the lead up to Wrath's release. Love that the subclasses never end in this game.
Funniest thing ever is hearing almost all the Archetypes I picked show up as worst options. I love summoning in RPGs as well as damage mitigation classes. It is what it is though! Very informative vid! 😂
Mort is a good reviewer and gamer, but his opinion isn't always spot on especially when personal bias comes in to play. If you succeeded at your playthrough and had fun that's all that matters
Like I said at the beginning, its all fine on normal and the best one is ultimately the one you want to play.
@@MortismalGaming no worries dude! It was more them showing up back to back than anything else! I'm about to do a Mammoth Shifter run soon, so this will help me choose custom party members for Archetypes I never looked at before!
Summonings are good for keeping bosses occupied while you pound on them with archers and tanks.
If you go Azata, pick ascended summons ability and a bunch of other stuff I think you can become a one-person army and really overwhelm enemies. But you really have to commit to summoning completely, which most people dont want to.
Can never get enough of your Wrath coverage!
But it's always dangerous for me to watch these as I get new ideas for yet another startup character 😮
I totally relate 😂 I'm not done with my Witch run yet, I shouldn't be here! I want to try a Druid now lol
Thanks for updating! I'm getting back into wotr and I know a lot of the videos out there are outdated
Great video. Thank you for updating this. 13:05 FYI: Gendarme is French so the E is silent at the end.
And the E at the beginning sounds kind of like an O in the word "done". French is just different that way 😅
Well obviously before. After was al gendarmes and dick stitches lana.
Divine Hunter (Hunter, not Paladin.) is one of my favourite Archetypes. It allows you to add Cleric Domain spells to your spellbook - that's +2 extra spells per domain per level. Combine this with impossible domain and suddenly you'll have a very broad and customisable spellbook while maintaining your animal companion.
Combine with Mythic Trick Lore Religion for even more spells.
Love the vid. To add to the Shifter section, Dragonblood shifter used to be worse than Effigy (Courtesy of what you get being a worse version of what other classes have), but with the latest patch they have been buffed/fixed to actually get a better version.
Never played Pathfinder, possibly never will. Am I still gonna watch a 50 minute video from Mort? - Yes.
You are really missing out
@@nestorgamer9746 Yeeah, I do know that. I do have the game on the top of the list. Right now just no-lifing Factorio, but will have a go at Pathfinder soon, I have it on my Library already.
you are missing anything.
Any chance we can get a fresh video on the Mythic Paths and how they might fit with some of the new classes/types and how they may have been impacted by some of the nerfs/buffs in the recent patch?
Love the content.
Yes plz
Possibly, no promises, but it's on my probably list
Monster Tactician ain't half bad. Early game summons are a win fight button and even at the end of the game I had Ice Giants caving in skulls at core difficulty, but I go hard in to specializing in to summoning.
Losing judgments I don't think is a big deal, because you can easily have too many swift actions to the point fight's don't last long enough for you to activate them. This is especially the case if you go Aeon as it's the best mythic for monster tactician.
Personally I think Faith Hunter is the worst. You lose a domain for another swift action on a swift action loaded class.
Cavalier of the Paw is awesome! I'm currently playing one in my new Azata playthrough after I gave up on my first Angel Cleric in Act3. I just picked it for the name because I wanted something that fits something RP wise for the Azata theme and a Halfling riding a dog + a Succubus fawning over a short king, that is half her size, sounded like a lot of fun. So much better than my first abandoned playthrough.
It’s amazing to see how much some of these classes change over the years.
Honestly surprised you didn't even mention Primalist when I've heard multiple people claim it's the best archetype in the entire game.
Primalist is so good, letting you pick and choose between bloodline powers and babarian totems, so you can take (two!) totem every 4 lvl or get your bloodline powers. Getting whatever is best suited for your build when it suits you is pretty sweet. So you might skip a bonus to acid resistance for two totems, but you'll be sure to take your serpentine reach at lvl 12!
what's make it insane is that you can take a mythical ability to have 2 bloodlines... then you gain double feats and double abilities, letting you combine all of the massive bonuses from rage power with bloodline benefits on top of it. By act V, my bloodrager MC could slash bosses to death in 1 turn...
Bascially the barbarian, just a lot better in every way.
It was my pick for my demon play, it was awesome.
I understand that claim for sure but in my experience I've found Instinctual warrior barbarian easier to play on higher difficulties than Primalist. They're essentially two sides of the same coin where as Primalist focuses on the raw damage viability aspect Instinctual warrior is better for defense and hitting concealed Targets.
@@SpaceVENTINGI’ve had a lot of fun with a Instinctual Warrior/Drunken Monk, very fun
3 level Hunter dip is amazing; permanent sharing of all Team work feats and a nice little boost to your pet!
I just got this game from the summer sale, its pretty daunting tbh, glad there are videos like these that go so in depth
yeah my biggest issue with the genre is how much foresight is needed to play them. it reminds me of when i tried playing divinity original sin 1. and i cant remember how many times i restarted, simply because i never felt like i picked a good starting party.
the issue is how the progression makes your early decision feel much more heavy.
its the same issue i had with neverwinter nights. where in order to test a build viability, i had to make a character in the dlc that bumped your level to 15. and then see who was able to survive the first gauntlet of enemies.
ironically, MANY of the characters that were far better earlier on in the original campaign, would get killed easily. like barbarians, fighters and even some paladins. the only class that i felt was really good at both the early game, and the early dlc test ended up being the cleric. but that's besides the point.
Am about to dip my toes into wotr so really appreciate updated content. Rules and complexity is manageable being an old Rolemaster addict 😊(TTRPG if someone remembers it).
I do not really want to play Oracle/Angel do-goder as a playthrough so all new content giving ideas are great! Keep it coming
Primalist not a best pick for Bloodrager? Spicy
I feel like giving a small shout-out to Inciter Skald. It gives up very little, and lets you share Sneak Attack with your whole party. Since you'd probably only use Skalds on melee heavy parties anyway, this feels really nice to have. It also lets you choose Archetypes without Sneak Attack for other party members (Judge for Inquisitor over Sanctified Slayer being a favorite trade of mine).
Looked into everything Inciter gets after reading this and *dang*. That’s a lotta cool stuff. Perfect fit for my animal companion-heavy Azata nature playthrough.
@@Ezghiel It's pretty nuts, isn't it? I'm pretty happy to have it in the game.
@@zangatsubankai For real. Only issue I’m having atm is that I have a Skald and a Brown Fur and neither have a companion. I know I can get Bismuth in Act 2, but I was hoping to end up with six animals total.
@@Ezghiel I'm not sure if it'd be the most effective option, but you could always dip Sable Marine or Demonslayer.
@@zangatsubankai True, yeah. Those are both pretty good.
thank you i need lists like this to decide what to play and ive been waiting for an update
Best archetype: the animal companion one
Worst archetype: the one I like probably
It really stinks seeing all the best archetypes from Kingmaker (it’s the ones that summon or had an animal companion) not scale well in WotR.
Reminds me of how powerful shut-down builds in BG2 were compared to much worse they are in BG3.
Just what doctor ordered, as I'm preparing to finally start my WotR playthrough. 😎
I've never even played this game but honestly all this fantasy class info is super interesting
Will watch this in couple of months when I'll do a 2nd playthrough.
I started a Sword Saint playthrough as a result of your first video about 2 weeks ago and I've just started Act Four. It's SO much more fun & more effective than playing Fighter (which I did my first time) and I honestly think the game exaggerates the complexity, especially since the class gives you options you just don't have as Fighter such as "Mirror Image" and AOE damage ranged spells whilst still having reasonably decent AC.
I'm gonna watch this one anyway since you might give me an idea of what class to try when I do a Lich run next.
It would be nice a video regarding party composition, and classes to choose for you and companions. Thanks for the video
If you have time on your final playthrough, i would be curious to see a build guide or two using some of the newer archtypes. Magic deceiver, bloodseeker and winter child all seem super fun!
I have been wanting to hop back into WOTR once the dlc was all out... I havent played in like two years, Im nervous with all the fixes to rework my characters, I hope you make some build videos Mort! thanks for your work, within pathfinder and outside of it!
Just bought the game today. Excellent timing!
I recently did and am like 15-20 hours in now.
I’ve never been so paralyzed by choice. 😁 dear god, with all the DLC installed, there’s too many classes to keep track of.
Then my ranger hit level 4, and wait I have to choose between like 20 pets? And then I do choose, and wtf, my pet is another character that I need to pick a class and feats for? 😆
@@TechnoLawyerI understand what you mean. I spent forever in the character creator because I didn't know what to pick. Ended up going with a sword saint magus.
Reanimator is not fantastic into lich, the spell books won’t merge.
It still good pick Lich buff undead also you don't need to merge spell book to be op as lich, look around many have lich build that are not full caster Crpgbro one who have tone of builds.
Not that spell book merging isn't extremely good, but it's not the only powerful way to play a Lich or Angel
Nobody ever talks abhout Witch of the Veil, so I have no idea what the class' general perception is, but it is my favorite Witch archetype and super fun to play.
No love for Wildland Shaman? Full pet progression is very strong for a full divine caster.
I literally watched the old one this morning x.x
Had a lot of fun with the Magic Deciever Arcanist making weird spell combos. I also like to give paladins a dip in Titan fighter so they can combine a two handed
Weapon with a shield
Not a big fan of archetypes where you just give up your defining class feature to play essentially another class as a hybrid - Sanctified Slayer feels like more of a Slayer than an Inquisitor and while hybrids can be fun, sometimes when I play an Inquisitor I just want to actually be an Inquisitor.
to me, archetypes SHOULD all ditch the defining class feature, for a VARIANT of that archetype. that's what should set them apart. for example, lets say you have a shifter class that is all about transforming. this is the main gimmick of the class. there should be an archetype that isntead of completely shifting, it instead shift parts of your body. other archetypes should focus on shifting on specific monster types. giving you more bonus when you do shift into them, at the cost of only being able to transform into that type.
and that's how many of the archetypes here work. they lose something, or limit them. the issue is, they dont offer an equivalent exchange. if you are limiting the class into what it does, you better make something else it does MUCH better. It shouldnt be slightly inferior, or just the same. it should be a massive upgrade to that aspect of the class, since you are sacrificing something core to its identity.
I'd love to see a video outlining your thoughts on base classes, with no archetype chosen. I find in a lot of games that go down the specialist rabbit hole, people end up dismissing the base class, which means there's not a lot of info out there about them.
Off the top of my head there are two cases (Kineticist and Paladin) where there is a good argument to just take the base class. Otherwise the archetypes are usually the way to go.
@@MortismalGaming Thanks for the reply Mort.
Putting aside "effectiveness", how about class fantasy?
I usually find that a lot of these archetypes diverge quite a lot from that.
Then again, I don't know how familiar you are with it, but I'm one of those oddballs who prefers playing "Core" Warrior in Guild Wars 2, because no matter what anyone says about effectiveness, it's the one Warrior variant that I enjoy playing the most, and the one that feels closest to the class fantasy.
Hey dude, thank you for the updated video!!! You're the undisputed goat when it comes to WOTRA
So many classes but you’ll never see 99% of them because of how bad the companion respec is in this game
First time i played P:KM i went kinetic knight cause i didn t know anything and i really enjoyed it also the energy scimitars look dope.
Perfect timing. I was just thinking about diving back into the game. Maybe this time I'll stick with my choice and finish the game!
Here before 5k views is wild. Thanks for final & useful information 👍
Mort - could you do a beginner guide for each class? How to build them and why? Lots of conflicting info and personally it feels like I'm building characters wrong.
I dont have the time that would take tbh, best advice I could give is watch something like the combat section of my new players guide to understand how all the rolls are made and then focus on learning a specific class and once you feel like youve got that down branch out into classes that use similar features
One thing I would like to say is that Steelblood Bloodrager makes for an excellent dip for Arcane casters, because the 1st level feature that eliminates Arcane Spell Failure for Bloodrager spells instead works for ALL Arcane spells in WoTR.
If you’re ever in the market to make fun companion builds I think that would be really fun. Add a little spice to the 200th play through lol
I have a couple out, Nenio and Ember off the top of my head
free comment.
On my way to become a Lich with Sylvan Sorcerer (1st playtrough) 😊 can't wait to try merged spell book .
Will probably try Dual cursed Oracle for good playtrough 😊
I kind of want Owlcat to return to Pathfinder.
WotR is *good*, but I find myself missing the more down to earth nature of Kingmaker's story...but it's really hard to return to Kingmaker, since WotR did such a good job upgrading things on a mechanical level.
There's still a good case to be picking spirit hunter. Yeah Camellia has it but it's a pretty versatile class. Further more if someone's running a good aligned party there's really decent reason to suggest
*spoilers*
camellia wouldn't stay in the roster the whole game
Race: human (male). Class: fighter. Simple as
For wizards I absolutely love thassilonian specialist enchantment. Get to be a super persuasive wizard, and have incredible DC on control spells.
Which Mythic are you planning to choose, Devil? Lich will be difficult with not being able to select Necromancy spells (Or Transmutation for that matter, but having another caster buffing the party is still a good possibility)
I made a divine scion paladin of abadar with 3 levels in sable company marine so he can ride a hippogriff. One of abadars servents is a hippogriff named old cob that probably gives out parking citations. I love pathfinder lore.
I don't have any interest/have never played Pathfinder, but I enjoy listening to your longform videos, and it's extremely satisfying to listen and watch. Hope you are having a great Fourth, and thanks as always for your hard work!
gendarme= [ˈʒɑːndɑːm]
It's French, it means a police officer basically. You can use google translate to hear the pronunciation.
Hey their Mort just wanna thankyou for the type of content you bring on youtube.
Very happy to see the video ! Love the WOTR content anyway.
Little thing because you pointed it out, the Gendarme end with a closed "e" so the end sound is more like "harm" :)
I have to make a shout out to my last run and the Titan Fighter. It's gross, Double wielding greatsword with crit on a 17+ (1/5 chance) doing 7 attack base that double strength bonus on damage... it's just nuts. I'm also playing angel and with some basic buffs and good item (the one you get by just playing tho, not hunting for loot), I start at near +60 to hit, with an average of 150-170 damage per hit, and 450 on crit. Currently, with some heaven sword upgrade, I have 8 attacks, and I've delt in a single turn, in the average of 2 to 3000 damage. And that's without adding the Seize the Moment feat that just proc like crazy. It's just ridiculous. And I'm sure that going kitsune to get pounce, and mythic charge could get some even crazier damage.
Instinct barb 2, Titan Fighter 9, STR, x2 Glaives
Goes online at the end of Act 1 when you start getting stat items/buffs. Works 100% without cheese, but if you want you can get archmage armor with mythic shenanigans.
Alternative Forbidden Sauce: DEX, Elf stat variant, Mythic Finesse, x2 Elven curved blades.
Conversely I think the Beast Tamer is fantastic. It isn't as expensive feat wise to make a good summoner with a Beast Tamer cause you get some of the most important stuff for your summons for free when you level up. Beast Tamer and Monster Tactician are two of the only archetypes that make summoning actually viable, on any difficulty, in my humble opinion.
I only played through it once before all the DLC's dropped and Magus into Lich, into Legend into Fighter was so busted.
It's interesting how many of the best or worst listed here are the opposite in the pnp version, or that just don't exist in the pnp version.
Can't believe they murdered Grave Singer
For Paladin I'd actually go with the base class. Better than the sub-classes IMO. In fact I have gone with that for my current play-through, currently in Chapter 3.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!
All those classes and archetypes, and they never brought in the Summoner. I'm a bit disappointed.
Is the benefit of Kinetic Knight to use the Kinetic Blade without burn not that good? Seems like it limits your possibilities but takes away the main cost.
Can you do a meme build bloodseeker and blood kineticist legend ?
I will say, for Hunter, I still go with Tandem Executioner. That archetype trades spells, never a big focus in the class, for even more Animal Companion Buffs, which are both defensive and offensively focused, allowing you to build either a mount or a support for a ranger character that increases in power as you go up in levels.
The defensive side allows you to swap your ability score for skill checks instead, and built right, easy to do thanks to Hunter and added to with equipment, or say, Azata's All Skilled Mythic Feat, and suddenly it becomes almost impossible to hit your animal companion, while mounted feats make it so your animal companion makes it impossible to hit you while you're on their back.
The offensive side gives you, effectively, no misses AND buffed damage. I think it's only supposed to add to the main attack, but studied target, as of the patch for Masks DLC, still adds its to hit and damage bonus to EVERY strike from an animal companion. For, say, a Sabertooth Tiger, this is 5 basic attacks, which can be expanded to 7/8 with the right equipment. And you, on their back, can benefit from the same, dual-wielding, with two bite attacks, and a doubled second attack through a feat.
For those keeping score, at level 20 that is potentially, 52 EXTRA damage a round, on top of anything else going on, AND with all the to hit multipliers you basically cannot miss. On Unfair versus most bosses(Inevitable Darkness, Sithid, even the demon at the end of Through the Ashes, when you're quite weak), this thing basically never does lower than 20 damage per attack, and attacks 10+ times a round.
The one flaw is it has ZERO crowd control, and has to run between every enemy, meaning while it basically takes one thing out every round, it only takes that one thing out, and in some brawls, that is not nearly fast enough.
just discovered tandem executioner myself and love the class, but a small pointer to yours, smilodons got nerfed down to only 3 attacks now
Interesting, I've heard beast tamer bard is rather solid on higher difficulties.
Though a lot of it is from mythic feats.
I can't find the reanimater archetype for Alchemist. It doesn't show up for me. Why is that, did the devs change the name or something?
Nevermind. I didn't realise you needed the DLC for it 😅😂
thank You for providing videos :) was wondering if its possible to get recommendation oh what mythic path play (I mean order) so it would make most sense, like if I recall You can learn different things going each path or smt like that :) anyway cheers! and good work! :D
Just finished my first playthrough on normal and I'm planning to do a second on Core as an Aeon, so this is a ton of help. Thanks!
I wonder if playing BG3 might have helped my understanding of this game now. Maybe I'll dig in again at some point. Initially, I found it too overwhelming and granular, but it might click.
On the fun scale, I thought it was hilarious to play a Mad Dog Barbarian Halfling charging into battle on his Mammoth.
Next I want to make a fighter who dual wields two handed weapons. Any tips on which weapon to weapon focus in?
Maybe (a) build guide (s) for the alternate story line would be useful as well?
For your Titan Fighter build, Elven curve blade and fauchard have the best crit ranges (both require exotic proficiency). Elven curve blade looks the best, while fauchard has reach. If you want to be a frontliner, take ECB. If you want to hide behind your tanks, take fauchard. Two notes: First, with the new heavy armor mythic feats, you don't really need to hide behind your tanks, and second, you probably won't want to dual wield your two-handed weapons until Mythic 2, when you can take Mythic Two-Weapon Fighting. Before that, the penalties are a little too high, so you'll probably want a shield in your offhand (or at least a small weapon). [EDIT: Oh, falchion also has a high crit range, but I don't really like the available options, so I tend to overlook it.]
It's sad that they didn't port the Spirit Guide oracle archetype from the tabletop. It sacrifices some revelations for the wandering spirit shaman ability, and a hex from the spirit you pick. The spells you get scale with your caster level instead of your class level. That means it would be great to multiclass with.
I only recently got into the tabletop, and this is my favorite archetype so far. It's not only really flavorful, but mechanically cool too!
so basically, summoning sucks and companions are op for the most part? so one of the best class/archetypes would be one that doesnt lose much but gains an animal companion?
Just starting my game for the first time. Animal companions are awesome. My gendarme cavalier can trivialize most initial encounters because the horse charge just cause mobs to explode.
@@Zetler I wonder if it's the same for kingmaker
I know you don’t super care, but just as an FYI, gendarme is pronounced “john-darm” with a soft J, like in Dijon. It’s French, if that helps
I've watched the whole video and yet I can't still decide which class to play lol
Barbarian is on the whole not as good as bloodrager. But I have found Instinctual warrior easier to play on higher difficulties than even primalist cause of the automatic blindfight progression and stuff. Could just be my personal experience though.
No way the video I asked for on the beginning of the end video. Don't know if you did it because of tha but thanks all the same!
Well not just you, a lot of people had been asking for one that included the new archetypes etc
@@MortismalGaming Either way you are awesome mate keep up the great work.
Cavalier of Pike is definitely the worst cavalier. You give up your mount for a small bonus to longspears. Which is completely useless in no small part because longspears get a bonus when used for mounted charges anyway.
I'm surprised no one is looking into bloodrager more. I kinda like it, to be honest! Having fun handicapping myself with an elven spelleater bloodrager 😂
I feel like summons are often slept on because of them being weak compared to the enemies, but... they do also provide crowd control by giving the enemies decoys to soak up attacks while the main cast whales on them.
I made a bard for summoning tons of things and then my mage hastes all of them. They are not bad with a boat load of attacks. Also yer right using them as a mimic beacon is great
Hagbound is oddly a good class for the gold dragon mythic path. As a low BAB, high strength, natural weapon, full caster they get the most benefit from the gold dragon abilities.
i find it kinda funny how complete opposite to something like neverwinter nights 1 this is. with heavy armor being the best, and companions being atrocious due to the nonsensical shared exp.
Feeling like playing this game again. But I dont know what myth path to take. I cannot default to Azata again but I loved it so much, I'd like to. I think I want a full merc run to build unique teams.
If you’re looking at sorcerers I think Sylvan is arguably the most powerful. Animal companions are so busted in this game since they can easily get teamwork feats. You don’t even have to raise their int to qualify just put on a +int headband.
For that matter any class or archetype that has access to an animal companion is busted
I went base calv and loving it. Now I wanna try standard bearer and make a AOE buff party
How do I get into this game ? I got to about level 6 and act 2 but it still hasn’t clicked. Love rogue trader but idk on this one.
FWIW I think the game really comes into it's own in act 3, but if you aren't into the gane systems and the plot it might just not be the game for you!
I have 350 hours on the game and 0 completed runs 😔 I keep making new characters
For the hunter archtype forester, is that archtype meant to be a dip for other pet classes like cavalier? Seems pointless otherwise.
Arcane Bomber has got to be the worst archetype in the entire game
4 opposition schools for something an Alchemist can do better 😂
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Divine Hound + Demonslayer or should I do Divine Hunter + Demonslayer
So many archetypes, wo many use of viability in a game where all the enemies are demons or undead 🥴
I facepalm over the inclusion by Owlcat of some archetypes like the Forester (Hunter) which is a remake of the Ranger, the Arcane Bomber Wizard (sigh), etc.
Stuff like Arcane Bomber I think should be cut if they do ever make another Pathfinder title, like I'm all for cool and interesting archetypes but the stuff that is essentially useless really should just be removed to keep the bloat down.
Always fun looking up the archetype I picked and seeing it in the worst category 😓
Like I said at the beginning, worst does not necessarily mean bad and all of these will be perfectly fine on normal
Go over the pets please.
I just started playing this game and full on raw doggin it, so this helps alot
Pure shifter > any archetype! Unless you're Ulbrig :)
Love warpriest with throwing axes and champion of the faith.