BTW did you know that we are livestreaming a lot of the renovation work! make sure to check out our recent live shows and hit the bell for notifications to be notified of our next live show. Cheers I hope this video helps folks who are stuck with ugly old ceilings!
Jeff, Level 5 makes a small, one handed 7" skimming blade, you have to try using it when you close up the walls on the new house it's a game changer. It's completely replaced the 4-6" blade for me, I actually don't even use a trowel any more, I use a hawk, a 7" skimming blade for taping and screws, and a 12" skimming blade has replaced the 10-12" trowel. You can also hook them onto your hawk between the blade and the guard without using a hawk mate.
I am by myself and have been able to do a lot of “hard” projects just by watching your videos. I appreciate the time and work that you put into these videos. Thank you!
Way to go Karen. You can do it. It you ever get stuck consider joining our membership and send me photos and ask questions. I love to help my community. Cheers!
I would say forget the test. you definitely have the asbestos problem. we banned the production use of asbestos in 75 but it was still found in the supply chain globally for another 5 years.
I had friends who painted their popcorn ceiling with latex paint to hide some stains and the next morning found their ceiling on their floor!! The moisture in the latex paint softened the popcorn texture enough that it lost adhesion...
Had a friend, same thing happened. From reading on the internets when I went to paint my ceiling, should not go back and forth with a roller on popcorn. Should be one pass, let dry completely, repeat till the ceiling is covered.
Thank you for sharing years of experience. Trying to bring a 1937 family home up to date with no budget and learning song the way. I so appreciate you!
I discovered your videos when I was trying to learn to install ceramic tile to my cruddy bathroom walls. There was moisture damage to the drywall in this 40 something townhouse and I didn't want to get into replacing drywall because I was afraid of what I would find behind it. So I ended up prepping covering those walls with drywall compound. My life became a nightmare of sanding and recoating with compound for months. I wish I had stumbled onto your videos before I started,but it is what it is. I have a long way to go yet on the project but it is encouraging to see a fellow like you tackle these seemingly impossible jobs without losing your cool and actually enjoying it. No matter how this thing turns out, I think that by following your example that I might come out the other side of it as a better person. I have to because I have run out of curse words to get me through. Cheers!
While I did not have asbestos in my popcorn ceiling of my family room, I decided to deal with it by covering it with tongue-n-grove. I love the new look and took advantage of the ability to easily add wafer LEDs lights for a more modern look. Not cheap by any means, but came out so well that I carried it into the semi-attached kitchen and half-bath. I think I more than covered the investment by the value it adds to the house down the road when I go to sell. I get so many comments from people on how they love it, want to do the same and ask me for help.
I literally just closed on my 2nd investment home and it has popcorn ceilings! I've been watching you for over 2 years and you always have great advice! Thank you for everything you do 🙏🏾
That is awesome! Cheers on the new house Jordan! BTW if you don't have asbestos it is easier to start by scraping it or remove and start over with new drywall!
Why do people always call it 'popcorn' ceilings, it's either styro, ruff, snow tex or a combo of these. How would I know, I sprayed a lot of that stuff along with span tex when I was doing insurance work and I had to match existing ceilings. I loved the styro self priming, saved a lot of time and labour.
plenty of drywall videos. simply go to the homepage and use the search tool. i have complete tutorials for install and taping and sanding ,priming and painting. Cheers!
A lot of work, but, a viable solution for sure. I would think that paying a professional to do this would still be less expensive than full abatement for those of us who are not capable of carrying this out on their own, A great teachind vid, Thanks, Jeff.
OH yes ! I hate my popcorn ceilings ! I want to remove myself but it seems so overwhelming. and the cost to have someone come in and remove, I never thought it might have asbestos so now im frickin worried but its an 80's home so wasnt it outlaw'd then? Canada here. I SO appreciate this ! THANK YOU !
Hi Jeff! My house was built in 1979 and has 2 rooms with popcorn ceiling and the rest are smooth. Do you think there could still be asbestos in the smooth ceilings? Im curious as to why the builders would make only 2 rooms with popcorn ceiling.
A co-worker at a past job got rid of their popcorn ceiling in their home by themselves. They told us stories of sanding everything off and how dusty it made their entire home. At the time I didn't know that a lot of that stuff had asbestos in it. Now, it makes me wonder how that past co-worker's health is. They spent almost an entire year dealing with it, room by room.
Thankfully our popcorn'd house was built in 2003 so no asbestos to worry about. We ended up scraping it off after hitting it with a paint sprayer filled with water, and skimming it over with a 24" skimming blade (same Level 5 brand you guys were using). Looks great now!
anything built after 1980 is safe to scrape if it wasn't painted. if it was painted even without asbestos you need to remove or fill like this. Cheers!
I needed this. My whole condo unit has this stuf. After a kitchen leak from upstairs we had one ceiling torn out and replaced by insurance and now the popcorn ceilings everywhere else look even worse in comparison.
Had painted popcorn non asbestos but once painted it is impossible to scrape off. I used a foil faced kraft paper, pre-drilled 1x2s to bottom of existing joists and installed 1x6 tongue and groove wood over existing ceiling and looks great and took less labor than coating all the ceiling, sanding coating again and again to make a defect proof drywall finish.
when I bought my 1977, SoCal house, friends and family raged at me to get rid of the popcorn. I told them: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 24 years later, it's still there. No problem for me. BTW, following the practice shown in this video will not guarantee the prevention of future delamination. think about the weight of the paint, and the 2 to 3 layers of mud. there's a certain risk of patches falling down in the future., espescialy if you have a leaky roof and moisture gets onto that drywall. in my opinion, mist with water, scrape off, then skim coat as needed.
Curious on your thoughts on using a paint roller to apply the mud in this case? Seems like it would aid in ensuring you have appropriate coverage more efficiently than trowelling it on. Thanks as always for the informative content Jeff!
just another step that is unnecessary and many more trips up and down the bench. tiktoks have made mud look like childs play but most of those videos are actually trolling the truth.
I wish I had seen this before I renovated a few apartments with asbestos. I abated one unit as there was damage but the others I was just really careful with to not disturb the ceilings and I renovated everything except the ceilings and lighting locations. This would fully bring them up to modern day
Hi Jeff, Love your videos, great, informative, honest and entertaining! Converting 1/2 garage to 4 season apartment/bunkie 250 sq ft. Tiny, Ontario. Not a contractor…lol social worker by trade. The garage, separate from the house, built in 2003 and seems well insulated, colder in summer and warmer in winter. The walls and ceilings were finished in plywood. Did the taping plastic on concrete floor test and there is no moisture. I want to finish as low cost as possible without compromise or creating more work/headaches. In your videos you say…”ask questions”…thanks…Here are my questions: 1. Can I drywall directly over plywood walls? 2. I want to use Insul-Arbor (Drycore) (yes I know…more money but less work) on the concrete floor and just lay the vinyl plank flooring on top (with underlayment of course), is this okay? 3. I will be building a wall to divide the garage and keep a car on the other side, so what type of “barrier” wall do I need to build? Any other advice is much appreciated! Thanks! Lisa
Hi Lisa, yes to drywall over plywood, if it is insulated with as vapor barrier and then plywood. yes to the dricore product, a 2x6 wall with insulation and drywall on garage side as well and seal the wall against exhaust fumes so they can't get into the living space. Cheers for a more comprehensive consult consider joining then membership and send me pictures. then I can help even better . Cheers!
I like your videos and ability to teach. Are you rolling to show the DIY? Would you normally spray the encapsulant? We always spray, we don't use oil typically, normally a hybrid.
Track marks can happen for 3 reasons , experience, because the trowel is dirty on the edges or last but not least if the trowel is too new its too sharp on the ends. Some pro's will actually sand down and dull the fine tips on the ends to solve this problem.
Jeff you're the man, as always, but this job is well outside the realm of homeowner DIY. The most cost/ time effective way to get smooth ceilings is to hire a sheetrock crew to slap a new layer of 1/2" right over the asbestos w/o disturbing it. A one day job for any decent crew.
I totally disagree. I'm a homeowner DIYer and had no problem doing this after a little practice. Plus my ceilings are already kind of low, and the last thing I want to do is take even more height away by adding ANOTHER layer of sheetrock and mud, and it absolutely isn't more cost-effective to go that route.
Hi, I don't think you mentioned if you used a primer before you painted? And if you did, can you pls confirm if it was an OIL or WATER based primer. Thanks!
I was telling you earlier on your latest video about my new old 1981 home. It's been sitting for awhile. Anyways, as you know every room has the popcorn ceiling. I thought about testing but I may just go ahead and do it this way instead. Again, thank you for your content, If it wasn't for this home, I'm not for sure where I would be living. I just can't get over the cost of housing right now in North Carolina.
I was facing a similar issue, but the finish was stippled rather than popcorn, which is an even rougher texture. It may be cheaper, but skimming is way too labor intensive and time consuming. As much work as it is, covering it with new sheets of drywall was easier.
I have an unrelated question; how is the best way to paint the ceiling. I get sprayed with paint when I do it. Not dripping, I make sure my roller is not too full.
your applying it with out a respirator or covies and well you applying it your taking the chance to disturb it .. and you doing it the hard way been doing abetments for about 30 years now and we put pally on the floor and we use a water and white glue solution we saturate the ceiling and then peal it off that room would have been don and clean in under 20 minutes
the drywall compound also came back positive so scraping was a no. only option was full removal or encapsulation. BTW a gentle oil painting is not a risk of disturbance. Maybe for someone in the trade whom does it every day bit for am homeowner ...that is a bit of a stretch. Cheers!
I'd be tempted to either tint the primer and/or put blue chalk in the first coat of compound so I would have a visual indication when I needed to stop sanding.
Is this technique okay if part of the ceiling plaster has fallen off? The pain to remove ours from our early 1990's house has wood strips nailed in instead of wood panels. I can imagine it a pain to remove all the wood with the plaster.
I don't have popcorn ceilings in my 60s home, but I do have textured ceilings and drywall with tape and joint compound that tested positive for 2% chrysotile. I don't like the ceiling texture and the wall are pretty beat up, so I was wanting to smooth everything out without having to do a full sheetrock removal. Would this technique of encapsulating with oil and then skim coating with mud work on regular walls as well?
I always wonder: once u mixed all purpose mud with water what is the open time? Will u need to use all of it? I would reckon, once water is added it will degrade its shelf life won't it?
I love that wallpaper I also love the carpet, though I'm sure it's just so old that replacing makes sense. You just don't see those things much anymore. Still looks good and functional.
We just scraped mine off with a old 10'' drywall blade. Wore a respirator and called it a day. Really dont think its that big of a deal it you only encounter it a handful of times in your life
I have popcorn ceilings in my old house and I hate it! I removed it my kitchen after a racoon got in my attic and died above it. I didn't know it contained asbestos! I also discover that the sheet rock in my whole house doesn't any tape on the ceiling joint. They just sprayed the popcorn crap on it.
I would cut the caulking and pry open the lead edge after painting with the oil. then shim and then fill. the new compound will hold it too the ceiling.
Sigh. My popcorn ceilings are like the house has dandruff...others in the community had theirs professionally removed. Their tests came back negative for asbestos. I painted some test areas of the ceiling with Krylon Paint & Primer Spray Paint and so far the "dandruff" doesn't fall in those areas.
Does this idea of encapsulating asbestos apply in the USA or just Canada? Do all popcorn ceilings contain asbestos? And finally, do you have to reveal to the buyer that you have asbestos ceilings even if you mitigated it using this encapsulation technique?
google for a lab. they will even come to your house and do the testing on anything you are planning to renovate like adhesives glue and drywall and drywall compound.
The point which was mentioned at the beginning is that with asbestos in your ceiling plaster, you can't scrape it without giving yourself a good case of lung cancer. Also, some really old plasters simply will not scrape off. I have a ceiling that even a belt sander won't remove the stucco from. This is a great option for both of those instances.
I have done many 2 story houses with this technique. Yes it is work, but if your looking to avoid work then you will also avoid success in life! Cheers!
Asbestos is no joke. It has tiny air particles that have barbs that stick to your lungs. You won’t know you have asbestos until 20 to 30 years later. I wouldn’t touch or scrape that ceiling. Your just spreading those asbestos particles in the air no respirator mask no Tyvek suit not wise decision. The true only way is to take out a loan and have an abatement team completely remove everything that’s asbestos. Complete gut and remove. It’s gonna be an extra expense, but when it’s done, it will greatly increase the value of the home being updated to today’s standards safer for the family to sleep at night knowing that they’re not breathing in that nasty VOCs should’ve never used asbestos or lead paint in a home, which people are breathing! There had to be an airless sprayer type of sealant that you could use, which would be much faster for a temporary fix as I understand not everybody has a huge budget to be able to completely gut it. Proper protective equipment, Tyvek suit, respirator gloves, glasses airless sprayers sealant would’ve made quick work without touching or scraping or the extra work. Don’t wanna risk spreading any of those asbestos particles in the area you’re breathing.
0:09 it is ok Jeff, it is not 1974 anymore. There are a lot of resources and treatement routes if you've tested positive, it is not a death sentence anymore. Stay healthy and, most important of all, be upfront with your partner, they will want to know sooner than later!
yes the oil paint eliminates stains and also acts as a moisture barrier so the drywall does not hold all the moisture. it also is a sanding barrier to protect you from asbestos. Cheers!
Not suppose to put oil paint in the shaker? Why do you say that? I've painted and worked for Sherwin Williams all my life and I'm 62. Never been an issue.
That is an incredible amount of work to leave the asbestos still in there, and rip everything out later anyway. Just for a temporary flat ceiling. Worth the video I'm sure, but not sure it's practical in a real situation... Also the curtains probably have paint on them lol.
You can't remove aspestos without making it air born, and you may not know this but aspestos is terrible for your health and has been link with lung cancer. That's why the best option is to cover it instead of removing it.
Am I evil for just using my hawk to rough apply the mud lol. On ceilings I find its much quicker when going up and down (especially when making a mess isn't an issue)
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY ya I'm removing a couple walls so I feel like I the extra layer will be the easiest as I'll never be able to blend texture at least that's what myogical brain came up with
About an hour per room. Maybe a day for a typical 2000 sqft house. If it's you're own house just do a few hundred sqft per day and have it done in a week
Your videos are always great but why wouldn't you just skim the ceiling with 3/8" or 1/2" sheetrock? Encapsulating with oil paint and then skim coating is a lengthy process and would cost a lot more in labor, probably in materials too.
options my friend just showing options. Cheers! it is hard to find the studs in an asbestos situation and for many folks installing a new layer of ceiling by themselves in not an option. I personally think an extra layer of drywall is faster but I also like to paint all the walls when I am done taping. this way you limit the scope of work to just the ceiling. Cheers!
You have to be extremely careful doing this why I would avoid it. Sometimes even being careful bits of popcorn will break off while skimming trashing your mud.
Great video but you need to fire your videographer. Closeup shots that follow your every move makes people seasick. Just use longshots. Closeups are okay to show the end result. Thanks for the great work!
BTW did you know that we are livestreaming a lot of the renovation work! make sure to check out our recent live shows and hit the bell for notifications to be notified of our next live show. Cheers I hope this video helps folks who are stuck with ugly old ceilings!
Thank you
Loving the live renovations!
stucco?
Jeff, Level 5 makes a small, one handed 7" skimming blade, you have to try using it when you close up the walls on the new house it's a game changer.
It's completely replaced the 4-6" blade for me, I actually don't even use a trowel any more, I use a hawk, a 7" skimming blade for taping and screws, and a 12" skimming blade has replaced the 10-12" trowel.
You can also hook them onto your hawk between the blade and the guard without using a hawk mate.
You're basically the Bob Ross of Renovation... My favorite Reno guy for watching and learning from! (:
Cheers Monika, Happy to share my experience!
I am by myself and have been able to do a lot of “hard” projects just by watching your videos. I appreciate the time and work that you put into these videos. Thank you!
Way to go Karen. You can do it. It you ever get stuck consider joining our membership and send me photos and ask questions. I love to help my community. Cheers!
Your energy level for these renos is over the top! Thanks for sharing
I got to say I Love working with my Family and I Love doing videos that help folks out. Cheers!
I just realized that it's Nick from Orleans a former client. Cheers buddy!
You always manage to make me "think I can." 😅
Beautiful job!
You can do it! This project is all in the tool. Cheers!
I hate popcorn ceilings. My house was built in the late 60's. Probably need to have it tested. You make it look so simple. Thanks.
I would say forget the test. you definitely have the asbestos problem. we banned the production use of asbestos in 75 but it was still found in the supply chain globally for another 5 years.
Why test ? To learn you have asbestos ? it is fair guess you have, and what does that knowledge will add if you know for sure ?
I had friends who painted their popcorn ceiling with latex paint to hide some stains and the next morning found their ceiling on their floor!! The moisture in the latex paint softened the popcorn texture enough that it lost adhesion...
Wow that is unusual. they must have had other contributing circumstances. Cheers!
I had a client years ago call me over to paint a popcorn ceiling. I could clearly see it was sagging. You walk from something like that.
there is a time to paint and a time to renovate. Cheers!
Had a friend, same thing happened. From reading on the internets when I went to paint my ceiling, should not go back and forth with a roller on popcorn. Should be one pass, let dry completely, repeat till the ceiling is covered.
Probably had a leak, or they live somewhere where it's very humid and the latex paint just sealed in the moisture.
Thank you for sharing years of experience. Trying to bring a 1937 family home up to date with no budget and learning song the way. I so appreciate you!
you will get there. one step at a time. just always remember ...think the end from the beginning so you don't have to do things twice. Cheers!
I discovered your videos when I was trying to learn to install ceramic tile to my cruddy bathroom walls. There was moisture damage to the drywall in this 40 something townhouse and I didn't want to get into replacing drywall because I was afraid of what I would find behind it. So I ended up prepping covering those walls with drywall compound. My life became a nightmare of sanding and recoating with compound for months. I wish I had stumbled onto your videos before I started,but it is what it is. I have a long way to go yet on the project but it is encouraging to see a fellow like you tackle these seemingly impossible jobs without losing your cool and actually enjoying it. No matter how this thing turns out, I think that by following your example that I might come out the other side of it as a better person. I have to because I have run out of curse words to get me through. Cheers!
While I did not have asbestos in my popcorn ceiling of my family room, I decided to deal with it by covering it with tongue-n-grove. I love the new look and took advantage of the ability to easily add wafer LEDs lights for a more modern look.
Not cheap by any means, but came out so well that I carried it into the semi-attached kitchen and half-bath. I think I more than covered the investment by the value it adds to the house down the road when I go to sell. I get so many comments from people on how they love it, want to do the same and ask me for help.
Now I see why a painter quoted me $12k to skim coat my popcorn ceilings
Knowledge is power. now you can do it for around $800.00 bucks. Cheers!
To be fair they are being exsposed to aspestos while they work.
@@user-qx1om2wj1h i bet they would still charge the same for non-asbestos popcorn ceilings! :(
@@user-qx1om2wj1h no, theyre not. did you watch the video?
It would. be cheaper to have it removed by an asbestos abatement company.
I literally just closed on my 2nd investment home and it has popcorn ceilings! I've been watching you for over 2 years and you always have great advice! Thank you for everything you do 🙏🏾
That is awesome! Cheers on the new house Jordan! BTW if you don't have asbestos it is easier to start by scraping it or remove and start over with new drywall!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY do you have a specific video I could watch, I'd really appreciate it 😄
And now it’s impossible not to talk and listen to music. The echoing reverberation presses on the ears.
Why do people always call it 'popcorn' ceilings, it's either styro, ruff, snow tex or a combo of these. How would I know, I sprayed a lot of that stuff along with span tex when I was doing insurance work and I had to match existing ceilings. I loved the styro self priming, saved a lot of time and labour.
plenty of drywall videos. simply go to the homepage and use the search tool. i
have complete tutorials for install and taping and sanding ,priming and painting. Cheers!
Did it all with the lace curtains up!
yyup. and then we tore out all the walls and ceilings to start our renovation. Cheers!
A lot of work, but, a viable solution for sure. I would think that paying a professional to do this would still be less expensive than full abatement for those of us who are not capable of carrying this out on their own,
A great teachind vid,
Thanks, Jeff.
OH yes ! I hate my popcorn ceilings ! I want to remove myself but it seems so overwhelming. and the cost to have someone come in and remove, I never thought it might have asbestos so now im frickin worried but its an 80's home so wasnt it outlaw'd then? Canada here. I SO appreciate this ! THANK YOU !
1980 is generally safe. but some of the asbestos was still in the global supply chain until then. worth a quick test to be sure. Cheers!
Your making it look to easy Jeff 😁
it's all about the tool. Cheers!
Hi Jeff! My house was built in 1979 and has 2 rooms with popcorn ceiling and the rest are smooth. Do you think there could still be asbestos in the smooth ceilings? Im curious as to why the builders would make only 2 rooms with popcorn ceiling.
Did we miss the last coat of skim coat in the video? Thinner and lighter. Thank you!!! We are just starting this process today....perfect timing
simply use a full coffee cup of water on a full pail and use more pressure to clean off. Cheers!
A co-worker at a past job got rid of their popcorn ceiling in their home by themselves. They told us stories of sanding everything off and how dusty it made their entire home. At the time I didn't know that a lot of that stuff had asbestos in it. Now, it makes me wonder how that past co-worker's health is. They spent almost an entire year dealing with it, room by room.
It depends on the year, around '79 was the cutoff in Florida
As said above depends when it was built and where you live, pop corn ceiling is a style choice not an indication of the materials used.
Thankfully our popcorn'd house was built in 2003 so no asbestos to worry about. We ended up scraping it off after hitting it with a paint sprayer filled with water, and skimming it over with a 24" skimming blade (same Level 5 brand you guys were using). Looks great now!
anything built after 1980 is safe to scrape if it wasn't painted. if it was painted even without asbestos you need to remove or fill like this. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY yep if it was painted it would have been a whole different matter. Thankfully it wasn't!
Hey Jeff, thanks for doing another great informative video. Nice Job.!!!
Cheers Bill. Happy to help! BTW thanks for your membership support it means the world to me.
Wondering why u can’t scrape if painted and no asbestos.
I needed this. My whole condo unit has this stuf. After a kitchen leak from upstairs we had one ceiling torn out and replaced by insurance and now the popcorn ceilings everywhere else look even worse in comparison.
go modern and get er done. Cheers!
Popcorn ceiling has advantage that you do not pay attention to imperfections :)
I can not imagine having the patience for this but you did such a Beautiful job. How long did this take you?😮
Had painted popcorn non asbestos but once painted it is impossible to scrape off. I used a foil faced kraft paper, pre-drilled 1x2s to bottom of existing joists and installed 1x6 tongue and groove wood over existing ceiling and looks great and took less labor than coating all the ceiling, sanding coating again and again to make a defect proof drywall finish.
Why you want to take down that sweet looking popcorn... 😂
LOL. Cheers!
I am fine with my popcorn ceiling. Never had to paint it :)
when I bought my 1977, SoCal house, friends and family raged at me to get rid of the popcorn. I told them: beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 24 years later, it's still there. No problem for me.
BTW, following the practice shown in this video will not guarantee the prevention of future delamination. think about the weight of the paint, and the 2 to 3 layers of mud. there's a certain risk of patches falling down in the future., espescialy if you have a leaky roof and moisture gets onto that drywall.
in my opinion, mist with water, scrape off, then skim coat as needed.
Great work! But is the camera person on coke? It was like Michael J. Fox was holding it! 😂
Curious on your thoughts on using a paint roller to apply the mud in this case? Seems like it would aid in ensuring you have appropriate coverage more efficiently than trowelling it on. Thanks as always for the informative content Jeff!
just another step that is unnecessary and many more trips up and down the bench. tiktoks have made mud look like childs play but most of those videos are actually trolling the truth.
I wish I had seen this before I renovated a few apartments with asbestos. I abated one unit as there was damage but the others I was just really careful with to not disturb the ceilings and I renovated everything except the ceilings and lighting locations. This would fully bring them up to modern day
good news you can still do it. Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY absolutely! Will definitely do this when the units turn over for a new tenant.
Got some Bob Ross vibes with this video 😁
Cheers. I must say. I am absolutely Loving the work I am doing at this Forever Home project. Cheers!
Jeff my boy. You've been losing weight I hope it's not from making all these videos and you're hitting the gym everyday! Love the videos!
on a meat only diet and loving it. down 25lbs last 6 months and never hungry! Cheers!
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY of course! Thanks brother. Keep up the good work 💪
Hi Jeff,
Love your videos, great, informative, honest and entertaining!
Converting 1/2 garage to 4 season apartment/bunkie 250 sq ft. Tiny, Ontario. Not a contractor…lol social worker by trade. The garage, separate from the house, built in 2003 and seems well insulated, colder in summer and warmer in winter. The walls and ceilings were finished in plywood. Did the taping plastic on concrete floor test and there is no moisture.
I want to finish as low cost as possible without compromise or creating more work/headaches.
In your videos you say…”ask questions”…thanks…Here are my questions:
1. Can I drywall directly over plywood walls?
2. I want to use Insul-Arbor (Drycore) (yes I know…more money but less work) on the concrete floor and just lay the vinyl plank flooring on top (with underlayment of course), is this okay?
3. I will be building a wall to divide the garage and keep a car on the other side, so what type of “barrier” wall do I need to build?
Any other advice is much appreciated!
Thanks! Lisa
Hi Lisa, yes to drywall over plywood, if it is insulated with as vapor barrier and then plywood. yes to the dricore product, a 2x6 wall with insulation and drywall on garage side as well and seal the wall against exhaust fumes so they can't get into the living space. Cheers for a more comprehensive consult consider joining then membership and send me pictures. then I can help even better . Cheers!
curious... could you apply the mud with a roller and then skim?
I like your videos and ability to teach. Are you rolling to show the DIY? Would you normally spray the encapsulant? We always spray, we don't use oil typically, normally a hybrid.
This is awesome. Thank you!
Cheers!
Track marks can happen for 3 reasons , experience, because the trowel is dirty on the edges or last but not least if the trowel is too new its too sharp on the ends. Some pro's will actually sand down and dull the fine tips on the ends to solve this problem.
alternatively, some guys even use pool trowels that have rounded edges
Ugh! I don't have the strength or the money for either option. Can I just cover it with bead board or fake tin tiles?
Hi Debby! you can always simply use flat ceiling paint with the slotted roller and then leave it alone. Cheers!
Jeff you're the man, as always, but this job is well outside the realm of homeowner DIY. The most cost/ time effective way to get smooth ceilings is to hire a sheetrock crew to slap a new layer of 1/2" right over the asbestos w/o disturbing it. A one day job for any decent crew.
could probably use 3/8 sheet for even more savings.
that is an option, however for the cost or 2 pails of mud and a new tool anyone can do this my way and save a ton of money! Cheers!
I totally disagree. I'm a homeowner DIYer and had no problem doing this after a little practice. Plus my ceilings are already kind of low, and the last thing I want to do is take even more height away by adding ANOTHER layer of sheetrock and mud, and it absolutely isn't more cost-effective to go that route.
I'd rather invest my life into building a time machine to stop the previous owner from doing a poopcorn ceiling in the first place
Right?! 😂 I hateeeeee mine....
Hi, I don't think you mentioned if you used a primer before you painted? And if you did, can you pls confirm if it was an OIL or WATER based primer. Thanks!
What are your thoughts on just putting up 1/2in drywall overtop the existing?
1/4 is what I thought
@@The79mn EXACTLY!!
Jeff does a video where he laminates drywall onto existing. Check it out!
I was telling you earlier on your latest video about my new old 1981 home. It's been sitting for awhile. Anyways, as you know every room has the popcorn ceiling. I thought about testing but I may just go ahead and do it this way instead. Again, thank you for your content, If it wasn't for this home, I'm not for sure where I would be living. I just can't get over the cost of housing right now in North Carolina.
Cheers!
I was facing a similar issue, but the finish was stippled rather than popcorn, which is an even rougher texture. It may be cheaper, but skimming is way too labor intensive and time consuming. As much work as it is, covering it with new sheets of drywall was easier.
I have an unrelated question; how is the best way to paint the ceiling. I get sprayed with paint when I do it. Not dripping, I make sure my roller is not too full.
buy a better quality paint that does not splatter. Cheers!
your applying it with out a respirator or covies and well you applying it your taking the chance to disturb it .. and you doing it the hard way been doing abetments for about 30 years now and we put pally on the floor and we use a water and white glue solution we saturate the ceiling and then peal it off that room would have been don and clean in under 20 minutes
the drywall compound also came back positive so scraping was a no. only option was full removal or encapsulation. BTW a gentle oil painting is not a risk of disturbance. Maybe for someone in the trade whom does it every day bit for am homeowner ...that is a bit of a stretch. Cheers!
I'd be tempted to either tint the primer and/or put blue chalk in the first coat of compound so I would have a visual indication when I needed to stop sanding.
no worries the 45 mud is tough enough and them the oil paint will not let you get past. Cheers!
You can use plastic wrap to cover up the mudding and it will stay moist forever :D
Is this technique okay if part of the ceiling plaster has fallen off? The pain to remove ours from our early 1990's house has wood strips nailed in instead of wood panels. I can imagine it a pain to remove all the wood with the plaster.
Can I have that beautiful carpet?
I don't have popcorn ceilings in my 60s home, but I do have textured ceilings and drywall with tape and joint compound that tested positive for 2% chrysotile. I don't like the ceiling texture and the wall are pretty beat up, so I was wanting to smooth everything out without having to do a full sheetrock removal. Would this technique of encapsulating with oil and then skim coating with mud work on regular walls as well?
definitely. Cheers!
If there is no asbestos would you skip the oil paint step?
I always wonder: once u mixed all purpose mud with water what is the open time? Will u need to use all of it? I would reckon, once water is added it will degrade its shelf life won't it?
it will last for weeks in a sealed pail. Cheers!
Jeff, in another video you suggested covering the popcorn ceiling with drywall. Is that still a good option?
sure is! Cheers. now you can pick your favorite solution.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY Thank you for sharing your home renovation with us ❤️
Cheers Tara, I just love helping folks!
Is it not easier to put on top 1/4 drywall?
Could you use that same all-purpose compound to complete a drywall project?
yes you can do all drywall steps with all purpose mud.
Thanks 😊@@HomeRenoVisionDIY
if you can't get veneer plaster what's a good alternative?
prime with flat oil and use all purpose drywall compound.
I love that wallpaper I also love the carpet, though I'm sure it's just so old that replacing makes sense. You just don't see those things much anymore. Still looks good and functional.
We just scraped mine off with a old 10'' drywall blade. Wore a respirator and called it a day. Really dont think its that big of a deal it you only encounter it a handful of times in your life
that is quite possibly the truth. however since the negative effe3cts usually manifest years later I think caution is deserved.
It's like white vanilla frosting for the ceiling.
What I did in that case I add it Sheetrock on top 🤔🤔
that works as well.
Any advice for resurfacing a stomp brush/mop texture ceiling?
just tear it out and start over. Cheers!
I have popcorn ceilings in my old house and I hate it! I removed it my kitchen after a racoon got in my attic and died above it. I didn't know it contained asbestos! I also discover that the sheet rock in my whole house doesn't any tape on the ceiling joint. They just sprayed the popcorn crap on it.
What if you have crown molding around the ceiling? How could you use this process without the crown molding looking weird? Removing it?
I would cut the caulking and pry open the lead edge after painting with the oil. then shim and then fill. the new compound will hold it too the ceiling.
I just removed mine. Wish this video came out a few weeks sooner
Sigh. My popcorn ceilings are like the house has dandruff...others in the community had theirs professionally removed. Their tests came back negative for asbestos.
I painted some test areas of the ceiling with Krylon Paint & Primer Spray Paint and so far the "dandruff" doesn't fall in those areas.
if there is no asbestos then you can wet the ceiling and scrape it off. Cheers
I prefer to use hot butter topping.
Hey Jeff!
The back of the bag says to not use for a skim coat. Have you had problems with it?
Thanks 🍻
45 is a fill coat. and as long as you add water to all purpose it is fine. I prefer machine mud but it is harder to find. Cheers!
Did you use the same oil paint to finish the flat ceiling, or was that just for the initial encapsulation?
no need for another layer of oil after you finish. simply use a drywall primer and then 2 coats of ceiling paint. Cheers!
Are you saying all pop corn ceiling is asbestos?
Hey Jeff, how can I find a lab near me to test for asbestos?
Via Google/internet. They sent a testkit
You can also google local restoration companies that deal with lead and asbestos abatements
Does this idea of encapsulating asbestos apply in the USA or just Canada? Do all popcorn ceilings contain asbestos? And finally, do you have to reveal to the buyer that you have asbestos ceilings even if you mitigated it using this encapsulation technique?
Well technically it's still there, if you know about it could be an issue when the building needs to be demolished in the future.
full disclosure is exactly that. Cheers. we had our house completely remediated.
This is all fine and dandy until you need to drill a couple of holes for lamps etc right ?
Like any building material, unless youre dealing with asbestos daily for 50 years without a mask you'll be just fine
That's what i was thinking, now i want to know what's the hard way
what are your thoughts on perfect primer for encapsulation
it works but at over $500 a gallon I will stick to odorless zinsser for such a basic job. Cheers!
Awesome👍🥰
Cheers Sharon, glad this was helpful.
In California they blew popcorn in the fau closet so you should remove all of that first.
Best place to test if the popcorn is asbestos?
google for a lab. they will even come to your house and do the testing on anything you are planning to renovate like adhesives glue and drywall and drywall compound.
Jeff isn't this the same house in Stittsville that you're gutting and renovating live?
Yes it is. I filmed a bunch of videos in it before gutting the place so we could help folks out who own older houses. Cheers!
Not bad for a small job but a big 20x20x20 is easier to strip
The point which was mentioned at the beginning is that with asbestos in your ceiling plaster, you can't scrape it without giving yourself a good case of lung cancer.
Also, some really old plasters simply will not scrape off. I have a ceiling that even a belt sander won't remove the stucco from.
This is a great option for both of those instances.
I have done many 2 story houses with this technique. Yes it is work, but if your looking to avoid work then you will also avoid success in life! Cheers!
@@Matthew_Lavers yeah true I always wear a hazmat just in case
Asbestos is no joke. It has tiny air particles that have barbs that stick to your lungs. You won’t know you have asbestos until 20 to 30 years later.
I wouldn’t touch or scrape that ceiling. Your just spreading those asbestos particles in the air no respirator mask no Tyvek suit not wise decision.
The true only way is to take out a loan and have an abatement team completely remove everything that’s asbestos. Complete gut and remove. It’s gonna be an extra expense, but when it’s done, it will greatly increase the value of the home being updated to today’s standards safer for the family to sleep at night knowing that they’re not breathing in that nasty VOCs should’ve never used asbestos or lead paint in a home, which people are breathing!
There had to be an airless sprayer type of sealant that you could use, which would be much faster for a temporary fix as I understand not everybody has a huge budget to be able to completely gut it.
Proper protective equipment, Tyvek suit, respirator gloves, glasses airless sprayers sealant would’ve made quick work without touching or scraping or the extra work. Don’t wanna risk spreading any of those asbestos particles in the area you’re breathing.
The third option is to put up a layer of 1/4" drywall over the popcorn. Tape and seam. That is probably the least amount of work overall.
0:09 it is ok Jeff, it is not 1974 anymore. There are a lot of resources and treatement routes if you've tested positive, it is not a death sentence anymore. Stay healthy and, most important of all, be upfront with your partner, they will want to know sooner than later!
So you paint then mud?
yes the oil paint eliminates stains and also acts as a moisture barrier so the drywall does not hold all the moisture. it also is a sanding barrier to protect you from asbestos. Cheers!
Not suppose to put oil paint in the shaker? Why do you say that? I've painted and worked for Sherwin Williams all my life and I'm 62. Never been an issue.
This method would take forever
about 30 minute for each coat for each room. not forever. Cheers!
22:10 "10-inches is not long enough for this project!"
That's what SHE said! 😂😂🤣
When I say that on replay I absolutely knew this comment was coming. and probably a few more. CHeers!
That is an incredible amount of work to leave the asbestos still in there, and rip everything out later anyway. Just for a temporary flat ceiling. Worth the video I'm sure, but not sure it's practical in a real situation... Also the curtains probably have paint on them lol.
You can't remove aspestos without making it air born, and you may not know this but aspestos is terrible for your health and has been link with lung cancer. That's why the best option is to cover it instead of removing it.
Am I evil for just using my hawk to rough apply the mud lol. On ceilings I find its much quicker when going up and down (especially when making a mess isn't an issue)
LOL. not evil just weird my man. Cheers and you do you! Appreciate you brother!
Like this but would just drywalling over be faster and did you do a video on this yet ibdawcsmallbliece in farmhouse but was bout 30 seconds
yes but for many folks hanging dry wall is too difficult. this is simply a use the right tool and the process will work kind of technique.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIY ya I'm removing a couple walls so I feel like I the extra layer will be the easiest as I'll never be able to blend texture at least that's what myogical brain came up with
"Bigger is always better." Usually but not always. 😅
Wouldn't be easy to just replace a ceiling drywall?
Nifty roller
...why not drywall over it? More expensive, but way less labour intensive. Dear god I would never do this.
I think this is actually less labor intensive.
This video make my $6k quote for 300 sq ft make way more sense 😂
That looks good but it seems like it would take forever
it takes fr hahah
And your shoulders will BURN
@@vin3_ I’m sure
About an hour per room. Maybe a day for a typical 2000 sqft house. If it's you're own house just do a few hundred sqft per day and have it done in a week
@@joseph7105 good to know
i went with the scraper method for all floors.... i feel stupid now.....
Your videos are always great but why wouldn't you just skim the ceiling with 3/8" or 1/2" sheetrock?
Encapsulating with oil paint and then skim coating is a lengthy process and would cost a lot more in labor, probably in materials too.
options my friend just showing options. Cheers! it is hard to find the studs in an asbestos situation and for many folks installing a new layer of ceiling by themselves in not an option. I personally think an extra layer of drywall is faster but I also like to paint all the walls when I am done taping. this way you limit the scope of work to just the ceiling. Cheers!
You have to be extremely careful doing this why I would avoid it. Sometimes even being careful bits of popcorn will break off while skimming trashing your mud.
Great video but you need to fire your videographer. Closeup shots that follow your every move makes people seasick. Just use longshots. Closeups are okay to show the end result. Thanks for the great work!
I think I would just add another layer of drywall and start over from there
That works too but then you also have to paint the entire house once you use tape in the edge joints.
@@HomeRenoVisionDIYor add crown moulding and hide the joint
And now it’s impossible not to talk and listen to music. The echoing and reverberation presses on the ears.
Pretty much the exact same process for skim coating your walls.
for walls. I would skip the 45 mud and go straight to the all purpose. and only prime with oil if stained or plaster. Cheers!
10 in. is not long enough, sometimes you need something two or three feet long, that's what she said.