HAHAHA! 😂 This is INSANE! I can’t imagine how much work went into researching and filming this. The intro beatboxing was SPOT ON! 👏 I don’t know what I did to deserve such an video but I’m impressed and honored! 🙏 You’ve earned a new subscriber 👍 Deep bow!! (PS. That Russian accent was horrible, I’m Swedish dude!) 😜
I'm more of a self-defense guy as well I have over 10 years in Muay Thai and 12 years of boxing experience this video was pretty funny but I also like your channel too lol.
Honored to have you sensei. That was my attempt at swedish! My city and my studio in particular has lots of Russians so maybe that's the influence that you're hearing haha. What's funny is to Americans... it all sounds the same, just as our different states probably sound similar elsewhere... so at least all the Americans will think it's perfect! Thank you for watching and deep bows to you as well!
Sorry to break your fantasy. What they do, not a spell casting. They just pray for Buddha's protection. Same as Athlete who have strong believe in something pray for their lord.
@@Tsume_- First, you need to understand "Wai Kru Rum Muay" is the dance to celebrate Kru Muay or the teacher (instructor). Mostly they use the dance to show how artistic and complicate the school is. Sometime the boxer 'll entertain audience by taunt each other with the dance related to Ramayana. Second, what I talk about and my presumption make me think that the joke is about, when the muaythai fighter finish dancing and go to their corner. Their trainer take off mongkol (มงคล head wear) the boxer will pray for Buddha protection. I don't know which path is the joke that you guys talk about 1.the dance 2.the praying at corner. But both of them definitely not casting a fireball or curse spell. They just wish they don't get accident like one kick to the neck and die. But it still happen time to time. Hope you understand Thai people better.
Kyokushin guy here. Yes, you are correct. The top kyoukshin fighters, the ones who transitioned into MMA, K-1, muay thai, are the best because they learned to operate out of their safe-zone. You need to learn to take shots to the head, period. You also need to fight on the ground.
@@IcyMikeP Watch Andy Hugg's early K-1 bouts, before he learned to use his hands. He got dealt with. He learned to use boxing, his win column started stacking up.
Thank you for addressing this. Too many kyokushin guys think fighting with headshots will be something they can just "wing it" to when the time comes. But in reality, it needs to be honed to learn all the intricacies just like everything else.
@@sullyb23511 I am not arguing, that kyokushin is complete art, William. However, you cant compare street selfdefense with k-1 :) hell, even wing chun works against untrained thug and it is not precursor to modern k-boxing.
@@OkurkaBinLadin Exactly. The subject is self-defense, not winning in a ring that has rules, a referee, and a medical staff on stand-by. We're talking about rolling around in broken glass, not seeing the guy's friend come up from behind you, and things that actually happen in the real world. That's reality. The problem is that most of the "here's what you REALLY need to do" guys have never been in an actual life / death encounter. It's just all meathead, "throw 2-3 shots and back out." No, I'm going to break your body if you force me to defend myself. I'm going to punch you in the throat, in the temple, kick you in the nuts, gouge your eyes, and anything else I NEED to do in order to survive. That is not something you're going to learn studying a sport.
The only useless thing in boxing is the speed bag, nothing more nothing less... While karate is like.. Literally everything is nearly useless If it's JUST karate it's not really that great, but if you pair karate with some martial arts style it will be effective
@@GhostHacker55 Dutch Kickboxing in general, one of the premier style's of kickboxing in both competitive KB and MMA, is based in Kyokushin (and was influenced by competition with Muay Thai), and the stylists, like Ramon Dekkers, have taken the fight to Thai fighters pretty often. Early Kyokushin guys under Mas Oyama fought in Thailand under Thai rule's and learned a significant amount from it, which is why Kyokushin has a combination of Thai kicks and more traditional snap kicks, it also has a whole bunch of Taekwondo in there because of the prominence of kicking under the current ruleset. The old style under Mas Oyama, where punching in the face was fully legal, and the fight was basically just bare knuckle full contact, was definitely a better form of competition though. It's a shame people hated it and started to leave the style forcing him to change it. Kudo, which I just found out about today is also pretty cool, not quite MMA, but certainly a step in the right direction.
@@AveSicarius punching to the face was removed from kyokushin because too many people were losing teeth during sparring and mma gloves didn’t exist during the time.
@@defaultset I agree. I just hope the bjj black belts don’t become “watered down” like they did with Karate and Taekwondo in the 80’s and 90’s. If someone is a bjj blackbelt, you KNOW he’s a bad man. Not so much the case with other TMAs.
@@ArcadeSchool in Russia you can get black belt in kyokushin only after 18 years old and Japanese masters must come to Russia and check if you are good enough
@@viljarsasstad3088 It was a joke dude. A fairly TRUE joke (depending on your school) but a joke nonetheless. No disrespect intended kid. You might be one of the exceptions.OR you might just suck. That’s just reality. 🤷🏽 Much success to you in your training. 🙏🏽
Is staph infections common amongst BJJ practitioners or something. Because I do BJJ and got hospitalized from suspected TSS which comes from either staph or strep so I would like to know
@@sonicfx5431 It's mostly a joke but one partly based on reality. Training in any grappling sport, such as BJJ or wrestling, puts one at higher risk for some infections. Staph and ringworm are pretty common. Ringworm is a common problem with HS/college wrestling teams as well as in BJJ schools. It's passed by skin to skin contact from someone that has it to others. If one student/person on the team has ringworm it can spread it pretty quickly to everyone they train with. Been there, wanted to kill the bastard that started the spread. Staph infections on the other hand don't come from training unless the mats are filthy. Staph is a bacterial infection most commonly contracted through scrapes or cuts. The reason it's more prevalent in grappling is because of those rub burns on your elbows and knees from doing ground work. That's actually the upper most layer of skin being scraped off which creates a route for infection. Best practice is to make sure you shower after every training session, spray any rub burns or scrapes with a mild antiseptic and be sure to keep those areas clean. If any of those areas start feeling sore or sensitive, see a Dr rather than 'waiting it out'. Catching it early is the best way to prevent it getting to the point of TSS or worse, bacterial meningitis.
I've read before that they banned punches to the face because people were getting cuts and whatnot. Bleeding pretty much anywhere on your face from a cut will bleed a lot, but it's most likely superficial and nonimportant. But it was turning off people interested in starting, you know... In case no padding bare fisted fighting changes much by banning face hits...
@@Valentin119 People are not getting cuts to the face, they are getting deformed by broken jaws and other parts of the cranium. Kyokushin tournaments has no protection or weight classes.
That kinda sounds like a winner. Multi-discipline guys capable of filling in the gaps while still maintaining the integrity and tradition of the base art... could be lethal.
A lot more Kyokushin dojos globally have implemented sparring with punches to the face -- with headgear of course. Still too many though, are still too traditional, unfortunately.
@Joe Mamania not quite. He uses SOME karate footwork and boxing techniques. There are 0 [ZERO] fighters able to go to a cage/ring by only using Karate. You just have to learn wrestling/Sambo/BJJ or no-gi Judo. And, just as important, you need to lean boxing. Western boxing. The myth that "you keepthe opponent away with your kicks" is just a myth.
I did kyokushin for like 6 years, before my dojo closed down, and I bounced around capoeira, boxing, and muay thai. (then eventually landed in BJJ, but that's irrelevant now) Kyo gives you insane conditioning. Getting your body hit bareknuckle, and kicked constantly does build tolerance. But day 1 boxing, the only difference between me and the total beginners was that I could take a body shot, it's insane how much of a blindspot you can develop for head punches.
I hate love/hate boxing 🥊. Amazing in learning how to strike, but impossible to master without minor 🧠 damage. Kiokushin had strikes initially and removed after multiple incidents - Ojama didn't want to turn karate into boxing with 🧤
The Kyokushin Kaikan has made moves recently to reintroduce head strikes and other moves that were banned throughout the years like "judo" throws for high level contestants. At the moment it's still something reserved for high level ADULT practitioners and more of a side event for the most traditional ruleset, but it seems they feel like they lost something important when they banned those moves and are trying to recover that.
@@dantae666 Yes, but that's all well and good in sports. In real life, when you have someone assaulting you for whatever reason, wants to rob you, stab you or whatever, you can't afford to do haka or do the muay thai ceremonial prayers or even warm up. You can't go: "hold on mr. Aggressor, I need to wrap my hands, do my dances, do my warm ups and then you can attack me. In real life, when self defense comes into play all of the above is useless garbage. By the time you make your dance and prayers and warm ups, you will end up injured or killed. You need to act on the spot at a moment's notice.
@@ChrisKsan yeah no shit, just like a martial artist isnt gonna do a kata or an mma fighter isnt gonna only put shorts n gloves on with a mouth guard, no ones that fucking stupid to do that.
Fabrobin I told Mike this long ago..he is native in this...I offered him a job in Mexico..he said not for me...was about Speedy Gonzales movie.. ruclips.net/video/v4s2AMKPHnE/видео.html He refused the nice offer to play as the mouse...hmmm
I actually shot, edited and finished this video but I only did the voice and hand gestures, I didn't do the eyebrow movements and I just wasn't happy. I said that 99% of people would still think it was good, but one guy would be like "not your best work." You would have been that one guy! Thanks for noticing.
@@hard2hurt hahahaha,,,,so is arriba not arriva?..my spanish sucks..hombre? No ..I think you should play Foghorn Leghorn ,,Physically, Foghorn Leghorn is depicted as a tall, overweight rooster with a Southern accent; he is easily the tallest of all the regular Looney Tunes characters,and about 5 '5" tall in a good day...and he shaves very rarely his demented beard?.. He has a bombastic and somewhat unrefined personality, added to which he shows a penchant for mischief...,, Just say like Foghorn Leghorn - Ah Shaddap!! when dealing with karate or aikidos who attack you??..hahahaha..that would be hilarious...do it! ruclips.net/video/BMaUBeaiHnQ/видео.html Kissi")
@George Rome luckily when people took Muay Thai and started teaching it in a bad way (like McDojo's did for Karate), they called it fitness kickboxing. Too much business, too little real stuff, right?
@Henrick Boot 100%. At our school we have a fitness kickboxing program but we explain that it is purely for fitness. Then we also have a separate traditional Muay Thai program with an instructor trained in Thailand. Too many places trick people into believing that they are going to learn more than they are.
People shouldn't use the way of the mcdojo as the general way rofl. In a serious kyokushin dojo you must be 18+ to get a black belt, have attended to various camps to show dedication, and also train for minimum 5-6+ years of regular training. Ohh those mcdojos certainly makes us look bad..
@@andrewlopez5559 you earned a blackbelt at 8 after two years of training weekday evenings and learned how to "murder a human" with your bare hands? Would that be other eight-year-olds or any human? ...did you ever actually murder any eight-year-olds?
“Most people don’t even know there is more than one style of karate, which is understandable because they all look the same.” That made me laugh my ass off 😂
hard2hurt “you don’t understand!!!! in Miyagi-do, the stance is wider and the wrist lock in the 7th kata is done with one hand, but in Cobra Kai it’s done with two and is followed by a spinning back kick to the groin.” - Troll who has never practiced karate
Kyokushin dude here. I agree. There's a sports reason to remove punches to the face, we don't use gloves nor protection. Either way, in my dojo they use to encourage us to practice both boxing and muay thai as complementary training.
@@Gitohandro Old comment, but I would assume it would be like the foundations, ie, head movement, head contact sparring, volume stricking, I believe even some school are teaching the idea of a jab itself for distance management, at least at my dojo's. Granted, we were a seriously mma-esque karate dojo who adopted other techniques and ideas from other styles like jjj, boxing, kickboxing, and tkd.
@@jacksteppenwolf6975 Mas Oyama, the founder of Kyokushin, was forced by the head karate organizations to either adopt crap gloves, or ditch head strikes, so he chose to ditch head strikes. most of kyokushin was intended to be as raw as possible and they didn't have the money to afford all those gloves.
Jesse Emkamp: " I got a towel and a stick check it out" Random Streat Thug: "Yeah and I got a 21 inch long machete what do you think you going to do with a towel and a stick?!" but yes icy Mike was obviously poking fun at those improvised weapon drills that are often seen in martial arts schools.
@@garynaccarto8636 I think the context of the towel and stick is comparing the two types of strikes. Towel for more snappy strikes like the kicks in TKD/Trad Karate/Savate while hitting with a stick is more like Muay Thai/Kyokushin kicks
@@TheRubypokespe yeah your probably right.besides even though I do ocasionally watch Jesse Empkamps videos I don't watch them that often so I don't think I actually seen the video where he was talking about the towel and the stick but what your saying makes sense.
As a lifelong martial artist who has practiced karate for 18 years, I think it's important to take a step back and evaluate EVERY art objectively as much as we should evaluate ourselves. If you just hide in a hole telling yourself you're the best, you aren't going to grow. No art is "the best" but lies in how you practice it. I've known some BJJ blackbelts who couldn't fight their way out of a paperbag, and some whitebelts who could wrestle me into a damn pretzel; some black belts in karate who have poor form and fighting skills and some white belts who could (and have) given me a run for my money. There's too much emphasis on rank instead of the individual. As for traditional karate, people today wouldn't WANT to practice it the old way because of how people today would probably think it's boring and hurts.
My Krav Maga coach told me "when I was learning Karate I was already beating up ass. Even before Krav Maga." He hired a Kyokushin coach to guide us on kicking. (An awesome coach!) His favourite Dutch kickboxer is the late Remon Dekker who literally ate the Thai fighters for lunch! And Dutch kickboxing has a very strong Kyokushin base. Kyokushin, Dutch Kickboxing and Daido Juku are very good martial sports and practical systems to complement Krav Maga training (besides boxing).
I have a black belt in shotokan. Purple BJJ and train with alex beck. He's retired now, but he was pretty big back in the 90's. Dutch kickboxing is a VERY good completement to everything. I especially love how we dont check leg kicks. We just squat a little and take that shit so we can be close for the counter attack
growing up in karate we did full contact kickboxing sparring 2x a week and were taught fundamental groundfighting, greco clinch, and muay thai. we all knew how to check a leg kick, a basic sprawl vs a double leg, and how to pummel. these 3 skills took me so much farther than a sport kyokushin background would have. great video, great points.
The first martial art I studied was Karate. Learned it from a neighbor who was a Hell's Angel biker guy (he later went to prison for something). I never had any trouble in my youth getting myself out of trouble. The stuff that Burt taught me worked over and over again against guys with boxing and wrestling backgrounds. When I hear someone tell me that Karate doesn't work against such and such style I just chuckle.
@Joe Mamania Black belts are supposed to signify real proficiency and a lot of knowledge about the art. No 8 year old black belt has enough skill to warrant that rank. Black belts should be reserved for long term serious martial artists, like in BJJ
Every martial art is incomplete, if you bring ANY pure martial art to MMA you will have to add to it. It’s not fair because it’s 1 martial art vs all martial arts. Most karate guys are purests so of course it's not as good by itself, I think the art has much more potential.
"most karate guys are purests" Most karate guys are people who were brought up believing that their style is the standard for self-defense and unarmed combat, and that a karate black belt makes one an authority in unarmed combat. They believe that the merit of any other style which is radically different from theirs is subject to their evaluation. They are generally not willing to start over in a new and radically different style, because to do so would mean giving up their rank and status, which would hurt their ego. They use hypothetical speculative arguments to rationalize why some other move from some other style, or even an entire style itself, would not "really work" in a real fight, regardless of its success in MMA. They use these speculative arguments as fake accomplishments to compensate for the lack of any real accomplishments by karate.
Karate is my “base style”-because that’s what I trained in first. In my time In the Army and in LE I have worked and trained and sparred with team mates who’s base styles where: Krav Maga, BJJ, Capoera, Judo, Hapkido, Japanese Jiujutsu, Escrima, Silat, Sport Boxing and Sport Wrestling. Most martial arts and combat sports have some redeeming techniques. Karate certainly taught me several strikes, blocks, kicks, checks and throws that have proven effective, but I’ve also incorporated things learned on the mat hard sparing against team mates with different styles. Our only rules where basically no knee kicks, and no open hand strikes to the face. Only protective equipment was GI, cup, kenpo gloves and bite guard.
What can I say? After been training, compiting and teaching karate kyokushin for 15 years, I can asure you that karate works for self defence as mach as it works in fights with muay thai, mma, krav maga or boxing dudes. Karate is as efective for real fights as law school is it for trials, but obviosly there are millions of usless lawyers, and millions of crappy karate practicioners. Those are the ones that abandon, change to other styles without even consider that perhaps what didnt work was them, not the art. Its the way it is, i've seen it through the years, people sucks and blame karate. I been through a lot of street fights, and karate save my life, and I didn't get punched in the face.
Watch ufc 1-3. You’re living in denial dude. Forget mma, anyone proficient in bjj would wipe the floor with any standup. This isn’t my opinion. It’s fact. It was the very purpose of ufc at its infancy. To compare the best styles. And what it showed was that standup is useless against grappling. What mma subsequently proved was that standup can be effective, but only if you have a ground game. If all you have is karate, you’ll be twisted likes pretzel. Please come to reality. When Karate does become legit is when it is in the hands of a fighter that has a legit ground game and has take down defense. Once you have that, then standup (insert martial art here) becomes effective. What I just described is the evolution of MMA from 1993 to today.
@@pedroroggla8129good, I can’t stand bjj. It’s like McDonalds now - everywhere and looks so stupid - grown men awkwardly rolling on a Matt - not aesthetic or exciting to watch at all
I think what happened is that traditional karate, in order to survive, started focusing more and more on the sport and "self defense" aspect in order to keep Dojos open, and there was also that weird McDojo phase where it went worldwide without any consideration of the original Martial Art. Traditional Karate has stories of Karateka throughout the years winning duels with elbows, knees, grapples, and other "MMA" moves, but this phase of Karate was already in decline by the time modern MMA started to get big. MMA also carries with it the exact same risk as other combat sports, and indeed these traditional systems, that it could become more and more focused on the sport aspect than in creating a system of sparring and teaching that best emulates a real fight. Even modern sport Muay Thai which forms the backbone of many MMA strikers could be seen as a regression of traditional Muay Boran, which was focused on military killing arts and weaponry.
In my style of karate, we learn powerful kicks, kick boxing, sparring (full contact, not point sparring), wristlocks and chokes, also we have weeks dedicated for boxing and will work our punches a lot and make sure we keep our hands up, can dodge punches and have powerful strikes. How do you feel about this compared to other traditional styles of karate?
Hey, great vid! i trained kyokushin for about, 10 years or so, and was still surprised in sparring when we had a muay thai person drop in, who'd forget the limits under pressure and throw a punch to the face, catching me completely open. it helped me realize i had no high guard whatsoever when it comes to punches. high kicks and even knees to the head i could manage by controlling distance, but come on, a big part of the puzzle WAS being left out, and conditioned out of us even.
Abdullah Damluji that's the inherent problem with karate and TKD rules. You train for 10 years but then get into a real fight and get dropped...because everyone throws punches to the face in real fights...
Yeah... you gotta train how you fight. If you're just into it for the art or sport that's cool but I could see that ruleset giving you some bad habits.
@@OkurkaBinLadin in Germany my sensei doesn't even allow me to take my Arms down during running. So we mainly train head defense. Almost no body defense.
I am not sure what karate you are talking about. Most karate is to get average people to handle average threats. The stuff I do involves a lot of eye gouges, elbows, knees, ground work, throws, close in sparring, distance fighting, hitting things hard and in combinations, making sure that you hit vital targets (not pressure points) making sure you can defend yourself against boxers, mma, kick boxers and so on. But I suppose most styles have given all of that up for the sake of winning trophies.
I would love to throw my two cents in there. Having done martial arts a long time I find myself always coming back to karate because of the foundation and technical training. how to feel stable and solid, how to move and manipulate. though that said I didn't practice a traditional form but a modified form. so we would stand there and get hit as hard as we could for an hour to learn what we could absorb and what to block. I also find that karate teaches you how to fight effectively with as little effort as possible. why I regularly attend 300 rounds of Kumite events. so while you diffidently should branch out. I mean karate teaches you how to sweep and get someone on the floor but it ends there. so if you get someone that can grapple, your fucked. karate is by far the most foundational martial art there but like anything, A closed mind will get you hurt. anyways thanks for reading, just my opinion.
Actually your right i did karate for 5 years and still think i am missing something(and grappling)and now i am trying to incorporate other martial arts and sports like MT boxing jui jitsu taekwondo etc.
@pat mat look into uechi ryu that’s the most pragmatic karate style I’ve found so far. The forms of karate these people talk about are like the sport/ modern karate and don’t practice a lot of the important aspects which traditionally were practiced. Shotokan is to karate what boxing is to MMA. It’s really only one part of it. If people like cared to learn about cultures that aren’t their own then they could maybe come to learn about reality and not make ignorant comments... sounds a little too big brained for the hard to hurt. But hey what do I know. Is kata worthless? Not really? It’s good for reviewing techniques in private when you don’t have an equipment. Is shadow boxing all you do in boxing? I don’t think so. Ground work pins are not typical seen as worth while if you can smash their balls or face with a stomp. Does that take training ? No, but it takes some conditioning of the body to make it even more painful.
OMG You nailed Jesse's accent so perfectly. :D Agree on most points as well. What I think is intersting is, that his brother Oliver is a fighter in the UFC, who has the same Karate family background as Jesse. I would love to see his next fight! ^^
@Henrick Boot He does alot of weaving when he's close in. Watch some old fights where he gets in the pocket his boxing influence is extremely clear when he's getting pressured. He isn't just throwing snap kicks, and side kicks for the majority of his fights.
@Siddhartha RC You are right as far as most modern karate training is concerned, but there are different karate styles and training methodologies. Try and have a look at some videos of traditional karate training in Okinawa and if you have the time include some examples of Morio Higaonnas Branch of the Goju Ryu style. Karate has a wide range arsenal, the modern Kumite does not include most of them.
Full on Karate guy here. I agree with this video a ton. Enshin is my base, but I train Jiu-Jutsu and kickboxing. To take the traditional way and mix it into something modern is important. Always look for evolution.
@Drake Barnes all the thai's do it, so go and tell them they dont know what theyre doing. videos of buakaw, sanchai doing it too, i guess they dont know either? even boxers do it with punches. so stop talking nonsense
There is a reason why Mixed Martial Arts has become a "Thing"... And it's because Every Martial Art has its Strengths and its Weaknesses... So people decided to take a lesson from Plywood... And Mix It Up! So that the Strengths of one art... Can weaknesses from another.
Shoot, I think the real problem with Karate and Tae Kwon do (speaking as a tkd stan here) is that not only are people not used to being hit in the face, the majority of the people at the schools I went to didnt even go to the sparring classes. They're completely unfamiliar with what it's like to have another person in front of you who isn't going to go along with whatever you want, all the beautiful technique in the world doesn't matter if you don't have timing for it
7:20 not incorporating another things, but completing your karate, for instance, every single wrestling throw can be found in kata, but people misunderstood kata, it is not a training method, you are not going to learn how to fight doing kata, what kata does it tells you what to do, and then you grab a partner and drill kata moves like double leg takedown over and over again(this is what write in Gitchin Funakoshi's books, there are also pictures of karatekas doing ground and pound, single leg, all kinds of sweeps etc. from 1930's). Karate was ruined by japanese in 1940's when they took 95 %(clinch, circular punches, full contact, ground game, limb manipulations, submissions...) of karate and called it sport karate (JKA and JKF, but it is actually a moment when real karate died, it just looks like it spreads out), I am really sorry for karate and for people that thinks like you because you don't know what is karate.(no offense :D)
The problem here is that you have to waste time trying to shoe-horn kata into live combat scenarios. If you're paying money to learn how to be effective in those scenarios, then they should just show you the best way to succeed. If you treat kata as an interpretive index of possible solutions to thousands of different threats, you're doing it wrong. If you treat it as a way to practice explosiveness, tighten up your strikes, meditatively/therapeutically, then you can find value in it. Stop trying to make kata work in real life, it's just too limiting and it's almost always a red herring.
@@musicpro26 So learning single leg and double leg and hundreds of body transitions is waste of time?, because you are not gonna be able to decide which one you are going to use. Kata is NOT scenario, it is a book, tutorial on how to do takedown, clinch fighting, grappling transitions etc...
@@mattyahmed7729 I am actually 1 dan, but any reward in today's "karate" world is waste of time, because they want you to do kata as an art of movement which is NOT, kata represent something very ugly and brutal, and it doesn't matter how it looks...I am training now for 12 years
@@goodbuy7556 I don't understand why you disrespect your own training which you have clearly put alot of effort into. Are you saying all those years you put in were a "waste"?!What caused you to look into the bunkai of kata?Im guessing it had something to do with your "modern"karate.Going back to Gichin Funakoshis books that you refered to,he states "every kata is applied in kumite".You may not even realiase it,but you practise application alot more then you think.
I think the biggest flaw in MOST jiu jitsu is that striking is not practiced in combination with it. I understand it’s strictly grappling, but for realism striking should be applied in training.
@ZSP You live in fantasy land. Boxing, wrestling, mma, muay thai are much more effective than Karate, Kung Fu, Aikido, Capoeira, Taekwondo or any other traditional martial art.
@@yotornadoyo also don't kick the body or legs with your foot just condition the shins or you'll break your foot can't believe tkd instructors taught us such utter bullshit
Good point about the punch in the head at 4 minutes mark but could it also be because it was a match with rule sets that the karate guy just tried to sell it? I mean in a real fight could his reaction to the headpuch be different? Like just eating it and hitting back?
I think a lot of traditional martial arts were more primal and brolic then people think. Like Mike kind of touched on, I think a lot of the form training and katas were used to develop body mechanics and how to slug really hard. And through the times people focused on the aesthetic (and identity) and a lot of the intent was lost.
its because of the belt system, they made the rules to know the katas for it, without the belt system karate would focus more on effectiveness, I personally train in my karate gym like the teachers want me to but outside i train more like western kickboxing combined with the things i learn in my karate gym, the stuff you learn in my gym isn't enough but you can always learn outside the gym aswell or do sparring outside the gym with a friend or something.
I used to train kyokushin for 6 years and then once I had a street fight where I realized that I was not able to read face punches, even though I was very responsive to any type of kicks... Besides my natural instinct was to punch the stomach instead of attacking someone's face which is the most effective thing to do in a street fight....
@@katrinsaarik3756 even then, kyokushin has a different fighting range... We are good in close range fighting... Muay Thai or kick boxing is use full when it comes to all round fighting...
The problem of karate is... the way that the majority of schools teach it. There's schools that not sparr, in the best of cases just ipon kumite. And well, the rules of point fight is just not realistic and create inibations. Karate would be effective if they practice ipon kumite- throw hits, block it and hit it or grab it- with contact, like kick boxing or muay thai, and if the rules of sport combat were more like kyokushin , including fist strikes to the face, of course, but also grabing, lock, chokes, and practice this things - ipon kumite wiht contact and saprring this way - every fucking week, like KB or MT. Realy, if karate make that transformation it will become a badass style. (Sorry for my english, i'm from Argentina -by the way, my kick boxingn master is Cristian El cabron Palacios, sudamerican full contact champion at 70kgs, you can check out some of his fights on youtube -). Oh yeah, What was the first dicipline, your roots, that introduced you in all these things?
Argentina huh? Do you follow liquidcadmus? He is a good martial arts youtuber from Argentina. I actually started in Kuk Sool Won which is a very watered down style from Korea and has been called "Korean Karate."
kyokushin is also karate :D ("empty hand"), the problem are the customers, who demand day care centers for their children. So people think, that karate is just shotokan...
If you want to be technical about it all martial arts that forego the use of weapons and only uses the human body as a weapon can be considered karate. So technically all kickboxers/boxers/muay thai fighters/vale tudo fighters/mma fighters are all Karateka.
Very good impression. You had me rolling. Kata gives you the option to practice by yourself anytime anywhere. The meaning behind each movement in a kata are endless and taking the time to learn different meanings help to develop the students fighting ability. There is no waisted movements in kata. For example the salutation done with the hands at the beginning and ending of each kata is a wrist lock. And at my age it’s just fun exercise.
@HeavyDutyTraining So? It was GSP himself who credited his karate base for his success. Even John Danaher and Firas Zahabi said the way he shoots in so fast at unexpected angles come from his karate based and it would be hard to replicate that successfully in competitions. If Machida is the first guy that comes to your mind, great. But that has nothing to do with me.
@muay thug He was literally a Kyokushin Karate champ lol. He got his black belt young and you can clearly tell in his early fights that his striking came from Karate.
Kudos to you for being open-minded enough to take the call from the Karate Nerd Jesse. I think he is certainly dedicated in his study of Karate. Regarding your comment on the effects of behavioural conditioning in combat situations, you are 100% on the money. Doesn't that Kyokushin video speak volumes.
I would say out of all the Karate styles, Kyokushin would probably be the more feasible one to train in, for fighting in a real fight. All the others ones are just for show.
I don't know shit about Taekwondo! I would defer to @kwonkicker on that one! That is until I decide to do a video on it... in which case I will form a very final and inflammatory opinion... despite still not knowing shit about it.
I've been training at karate for 7 years now and received my black belt promotion last month. And I have to say... This is spot on. We focused primarily on Kata, bunkai and tournament sparring. Needless to say I hated that. I'm in grade 10 now, a sho dan ho black belt, and I'm not confident if somebody starts a fight. I'm starting Muay Thai soon so I hope that it will help me more than karate. Even though I do think karate helps people get a taste in martial arts, see what it's like and to see if they'll commit to it.
I have trained in karate as well. And I have learn 4other styles as well. Let me tell you one thing... The physical conditioning that karate emphasize on is brilliant. We trained to take a lot of blows.
Even if you learn Muay Thai, its does'nt mean that you will become brave in a streetfight. Tournaments is different in streetfights. Even kumite champions can freeze in a bar/gang fight, point a gun by a holdupper ect. You just need to be alert, stay calm and keep your mind. Always remember that an average brave guy are nothing but only brave. That they don't have a strenght and martial art skills. That they're just sucker punch. Their mind is Hulk but their skill are spongebob lmao.
My first experience with martial arts that *WASN'T* watching TV or a movie was attending a Goju Ryu dojo, which I started my studies in almost 30 years ago. Our sensei specifically taught us to *question* why we did certain moves in our kata, and to *NOT* focus on kata too much unless we specifically wanted to train up to compete in kata performances. Also, at the time, the rules at least for the local Goju Ryu governing body (I can't speak for the parent organisation) required students to be at least 15 to become brown belts, and 18 to become black belts. The skill requirements for the junior belts were also much stricter than I've seen in any other karate dojo since. I've been in a dojo (I won't name the style) where I saw preteen brown belts who wouldn't even have been permitted to wear a white belt in the dojo I attended. I think, like any martial art, the efficacy of karate depends on where and how you learn it, as well as how dedicate you are to *understanding* what it's teaching you (as well as what it *isn't* teaching, which was a surprisingly important point of discussion in some lessons I had as a child).
Definitely, that said, I usually feel that kata is unfairly thrown aside. With me coming from a pragmatic shotokan dojo, with a heavy focus on self defense, I noticed that each kata has a specific purpose with what it teaches. People have God awful motor skills and kata helps them overcome their boundaries by specifically extracting one skill (e.g. Core tension) and creating a form which aims at improving that skill.
In the begining in Kyokushin punches at head were allowed, but Oyama oserved to much absences after training face injuries, then he cancelled that rule. But what a problem hit on chudan and aim your hand on jodan (head)? It's 9jodan) still practiced. morover shin-kyokushin added gloves to freely punch at head too with all the other rules or rather very few limitations of Kyokushin. sorry for poor English, it's my 3rd language i learn
I used to do kyokushin, never thought about the thing about getting hit in the head and stopping getting unconsciously programmed into you, very good point! Although we did spar in gloves a lot (a.k.a kickbox), so maybe it was negotiating that effect.
They you had superior base to run-of-the-mill Muay Thai. SInce you were learning both K1 kickboxing and bare-knuckle kyokushin at the same time. Why did you stop?
Hmmm a Karate guy stopping after being punched? Not in all styles...did Shotokan for years and people carried on with broken heels, jaws, dislocated toes. I'd agree Karate is not a self defence 'style' but it can teach discipline, speed and fitness and an understanding of how the body moves which you can transfer into learning more useful self defence techniques.
OMG, you had Jesse spot on! As far as whether Karate is good for fighting, I feel that every fighting system under the sun is useless for fighting unless you actually go up against real people and experience getting your ass beat. And yes, that includes MMA.
I’m gonna have to disagree strongly about kyokushin. I do wrestling and jiujitsu both and I can easily identify in the heat of sparring a wrestling mode, where I don’t lock hands, I slam people harder, I don’t go to my back, and an jiujitsu mode, where I choke when I can and do takedowns a bit easier Everyone’s reflexes are different and some people absolutely can handle training kyokushin and another martial art. Kyokushin as a primary training system is fine, but incorporate the boxing to fill in your holes. That’s it. Lots of legit fighters started off in kyokushin, but the common ground is they all know how to box. Cross training is important, and as a system it’s flawed more than many individual martial arts, but when partnered with other arts your holes get filled fairly well and you end up very well rounded. No art does body conditioning like kyokushin.
Icy Mike well yes, your idea is that kyokushin sucks, but my idea is that it’s not designed to be done as an exclusive practice. Nor was aikido or even judo for that matter. Karate guys that made certain kinds of jujutsus or forms of karate or whatever, these guys had like a million black belts and probably fought regularly. They viably already knew some form of boxing and found it an appropriate training method to not punch the face I don’t think it was ever meant for you to just do that, I think you’re supposed to know how to fight but additionally your body is unbreakable. I think even with something like aikido I think your supposed to already know how to fight but then if there’s an opportunity you can fiddle with a wrist lock or whatever. You’re not supposed to learn how to catch their fist and apply a proper wrist lock in half a second. I don’t think these martial arts were ever supposed to be individual training methods. I doubt you’d argue gymnastics is a bad martial art just because it won’t teach you how to fight, because becoming stronger, more flexible, and better coordinated is always good. I don’t think you even need to consider karate or aikido or whatever a martial art, it’s just a form of training to improve a specific part of your skill set. No different than gymnastics or weight lifting or running So I don’t see what’s with the martial arts hate. I don’t think any of your viewers are actually under the impression a single martial art can be better than learning mma but focusing on street applications. But when you say “this or that sucks” I think it’s indoctrinating them to the belief that a fighting style will either teach you how to fight on its own or it sucks.
Vincent Lee 1. No they didn’t. I’m calling bullshit. If they were leading to death they could have just fucking spoke up and said “hey Tim stop beating the fuck out of my skull maybe?” And any reasonable person would stop 2. Cool. So how about you just don’t kill each other but still punch the head? I don’t WANT kyokushin to have grad punches because then they’d lose the things they’re good at, having unbreakable bodies. I’m just saying what you’re selling is a load of crap 3. Does it matter if everyone was a head hunter if it was effective? They wouldn’t ban it because everyone has the same style. Now everyone uses know movement and just goes blow for blow seeing who can throw a surprise jumping kick first to knock the other one out And lastly I never said I do kyokushin
Hey Icy Mike, Long time follower here. Really liked your video here. It would be great to hear your opinion on KUDO which is a style of karate that mixes Judo and has competitions similar to MMA. Also they practice hits to the face but with headgear that look like space helmets because of the face shield.
I practice Kyokushin since January of 2019 (I began at 47) and since then, I've started Yoseikan Budo (that allows groundwork, joint locks, chokes and even stick fighting). Guess why... My main focus is on Kyokushin, but I think it's a good thing to combine it with at least another martial art that goes in another direction, if possible, to widen perspectives.
Jai White is the real deal. He has several black belts. It is easy to criticize karate until you go to Japan or Okinawa and present that argument of ineffectiveness.
Raymone Phillips Michael Jai White? And you’re right, I’ve had to spar with people from Japan and people that have been doing karate since before I was alive, karate is the real deal
Question For Viewers: Who's next?
hard2hurt Jake Mace-you can almost use the same hair. I’m also curious to see what angle you’d find on Shane Fazen or Ramsey Dewey.
BJJ. Tell me why it’s terrible. I can’t wait to see what the comments are like.
Then Muay Tai
JAKE 'THE FAKE' MACE!!!
What about Wonderboy Thompson, Mike?
"In Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, you know, they... they... sit around sharing BJJ memes."
How DARE you, sir. How dare you. Those memes are funny.
Your profile pic only makes it better
I go after everyone eventually.
Your profile pic dude......Bahahahahaha!!! 😂😂😂😂
@@gypsysnowwolf2313 Tall-nut is best nut.
@@CaptainStupendous Hahaha yeah. Haven't played plants vs zombies in a while.
HAHAHA! 😂 This is INSANE! I can’t imagine how much work went into researching and filming this. The intro beatboxing was SPOT ON! 👏 I don’t know what I did to deserve such an video but I’m impressed and honored! 🙏 You’ve earned a new subscriber 👍 Deep bow!! (PS. That Russian accent was horrible, I’m Swedish dude!) 😜
svensk accent is hard to pull off, I have tons of Swedish friends since I was young and I still can't copy them ;) he did alright though.
I'm more of a self-defense guy as well I have over 10 years in Muay Thai and 12 years of boxing experience this video was pretty funny but I also like your channel too lol.
Honored to have you sensei. That was my attempt at swedish! My city and my studio in particular has lots of Russians so maybe that's the influence that you're hearing haha. What's funny is to Americans... it all sounds the same, just as our different states probably sound similar elsewhere... so at least all the Americans will think it's perfect! Thank you for watching and deep bows to you as well!
Well it's safe to say Ramsey Dewey and Jesse can take a joke better than Master Wong 😂
@@seanbarker9272 I don't think Master Wong saw the one I did with him. Rokas was a good sport too!
"In muay thai they cast spells before every fight
gabriel magnani I want to learn about these spells
Sorry to break your fantasy. What they do, not a spell casting. They just pray for Buddha's protection. Same as Athlete who have strong believe in something pray for their lord.
@@WasuSiripanich I am pretty sure the guy was making a joke.
@@WasuSiripanich first he was just joking around
second of all Muay kruu is not a pray yo buddah but a blessing for the ring and the fighters
@@Tsume_- First, you need to understand "Wai Kru Rum Muay" is the dance to celebrate Kru Muay or the teacher (instructor). Mostly they use the dance to show how artistic and complicate the school is. Sometime the boxer 'll entertain audience by taunt each other with the dance related to Ramayana.
Second, what I talk about and my presumption make me think that the joke is about, when the muaythai fighter finish dancing and go to their corner. Their trainer take off mongkol (มงคล head wear) the boxer will pray for Buddha protection.
I don't know which path is the joke that you guys talk about 1.the dance 2.the praying at corner. But both of them definitely not casting a fireball or curse spell. They just wish they don't get accident like one kick to the neck and die. But it still happen time to time.
Hope you understand Thai people better.
It is scary how good that Jesse Enkamp impression is
Agreed! haha
Yep 😱
It still makes me roll on the ground like it's yesterday, man that was great..
and IcyMike also perfectly delivers Jesse's tagline at 1:39 "in Okinawa; the birthplace of Karate"
Holy crap. That’s just so damn good 😂😂😂
"Oh, is that like Karate?" LOOOOL
The poor guys who do obscure stuff that IS like karate and they are forced to say. "Yeah... it's like karate..."
Lmao Shane getting less than 10 likes in 24 hours
He's basically right in this whole video
yoooo its shane from fight tips hy
@@theredninja2817 so you entered a tournament with a set of rules, intentionally broke those rules and the other guy flipped out?
🤔 Can't imagine why
When did Gordom Ramsey become a karate master
Never
*spits water*
whats crazy is he had a black belt in something, cant recall what
😆
Gordon has a black belt in Karate
As a BJJ dude who shares BJJ memes I was hurt by your comment #triggered
Do you have that haircut they all have now?
@@IcyMikeP do you mean a receding hairline?
I am also a BJJ dude and i laughted my fucking ass off with that joke, is so true hahahahahah
Icy Mike what kind of haircut is that?
what is wrong with bjj memes dont take offence at least you dont show of because you have a stick and a towl
"And in bjj they sit around sharing bjj memes"
Ok I've never been called out like this and I didn't like it
i never do bjj in my entire life but even i know this is true because of all the bjj memes i've seen 🤣
oh, you guys like to do bj.
I like that religion
Makes sense, Black belt doesn't mean that you are some kind of karate master, it means you've learned the basics.
On god
"In Muay Thai they cast spells before the fight" 😂😂
But it's deadly
@@mrwizardtamang8049 pretty much all martial art are deadly, but all martial arts are not perfect
Karate guy - Check it out!
Muay Thai guy - Avada Kedavra!
@UN KNOWN aight
"Dude, you're embarrassing me in front of the wizards."
Kyokushin guy here. Yes, you are correct. The top kyoukshin fighters, the ones who transitioned into MMA, K-1, muay thai, are the best because they learned to operate out of their safe-zone. You need to learn to take shots to the head, period. You also need to fight on the ground.
Yeah. Taking a punch is important.
@@IcyMikeP Watch Andy Hugg's early K-1 bouts, before he learned to use his hands. He got dealt with. He learned to use boxing, his win column started stacking up.
Thank you for addressing this. Too many kyokushin guys think fighting with headshots will be something they can just "wing it" to when the time comes. But in reality, it needs to be honed to learn all the intricacies just like everything else.
@@sullyb23511 I am not arguing, that kyokushin is complete art, William. However, you cant compare street selfdefense with k-1 :) hell, even wing chun works against untrained thug and it is not precursor to modern k-boxing.
@@OkurkaBinLadin Exactly. The subject is self-defense, not winning in a ring that has rules, a referee, and a medical staff on stand-by. We're talking about rolling around in broken glass, not seeing the guy's friend come up from behind you, and things that actually happen in the real world. That's reality. The problem is that most of the "here's what you REALLY need to do" guys have never been in an actual life / death encounter. It's just all meathead, "throw 2-3 shots and back out." No, I'm going to break your body if you force me to defend myself. I'm going to punch you in the throat, in the temple, kick you in the nuts, gouge your eyes, and anything else I NEED to do in order to survive. That is not something you're going to learn studying a sport.
“Useless stuff in every martial art”
“In boxing they got the speed bag”
HAHAHA
The only useless thing in boxing is the speed bag, nothing more nothing less...
While karate is like.. Literally everything is nearly useless
If it's JUST karate it's not really that great, but if you pair karate with some martial arts style it will be effective
Got anymore things to say?
Boi exactly!!
I only use the speed bag if I’m a bit bored hahaha
@@somethinggeneric6583 depends on the user and the style
“In Brazilian Jiu Jitsu they sit around sharing BJJ memes”, as someone who recently started doing BJJ, i can say that this is 100% true
As someone who has been doing bjj for a while...I don't get the reference.
@@fabiosplendido9536 fra come sono le palestre in Italia, mi sembrano tutti dei ciarlatani gli italiani è così?
I also do this lol
@@fabiosplendido9536basically its mocking people who start posting on fb things like: "im a shark and the ground is my water." And stuff
That's why it's Brazilian jujitsu, Brazilians love memes
I still think Kyokushin is an extremely effective style of Karate..cross training it with boxing is a great combination
This video completely ignores the existence of the Kyokushin to Kickboxing pipeline and that K1 was a product of Kyokushin.
@@GhostHacker55 this video ignores a lot of things
Absouloutly did it for long time it’s proper believe me
@@GhostHacker55
Dutch Kickboxing in general, one of the premier style's of kickboxing in both competitive KB and MMA, is based in Kyokushin (and was influenced by competition with Muay Thai), and the stylists, like Ramon Dekkers, have taken the fight to Thai fighters pretty often. Early Kyokushin guys under Mas Oyama fought in Thailand under Thai rule's and learned a significant amount from it, which is why Kyokushin has a combination of Thai kicks and more traditional snap kicks, it also has a whole bunch of Taekwondo in there because of the prominence of kicking under the current ruleset.
The old style under Mas Oyama, where punching in the face was fully legal, and the fight was basically just bare knuckle full contact, was definitely a better form of competition though. It's a shame people hated it and started to leave the style forcing him to change it. Kudo, which I just found out about today is also pretty cool, not quite MMA, but certainly a step in the right direction.
@@AveSicarius punching to the face was removed from kyokushin because too many people were losing teeth during sparring and mma gloves didn’t exist during the time.
Absorb what is useful, discard what is useless and add what is specifically your own.
Good way to be.
@@IcyMikeP Everything sucks, besides hard2hurt right? :)
You have a fucking anime pic
Someone's been brushing up on their Musashi ;)
Charles Wofford martial arts
He looks like Ellen in the thumbnail.
That’s what I was thinking! Lmao😂
@@justasleepparalysisdemonwi8719 🤣🤣🤣
Lmao ye
Only prettier 😂
Wheeeze
“You can get your black belt before puberty.” 🤦🏽♂️😂🤣
I almost spit up my coffee. 😂🤣
@@defaultset I agree. I just hope the bjj black belts don’t become “watered down” like they did with Karate and Taekwondo in the 80’s and 90’s. If someone is a bjj blackbelt, you KNOW he’s a bad man. Not so much the case with other TMAs.
@@ArcadeSchool in Russia you can get black belt in kyokushin only after 18 years old and Japanese masters must come to Russia and check if you are good enough
@@PHIL_BB same in Bulgaria
bruh, u don't know nothing... thats unusual and not all karate types are like that. i im 16, started at 11, and still not even 50% done with my belts
@@viljarsasstad3088 It was a joke dude. A fairly TRUE joke (depending on your school) but a joke nonetheless. No disrespect intended kid. You might be one of the exceptions.OR you might just suck. That’s just reality. 🤷🏽
Much success to you in your training. 🙏🏽
1:25 "In Brazilian Jujitsu they sit around sharing BJJ memes"....
Is that what they call staph infections these days???
Is staph infections common amongst BJJ practitioners or something. Because I do BJJ and got hospitalized from suspected TSS which comes from either staph or strep so I would like to know
@@sonicfx5431 It's mostly a joke but one partly based on reality. Training in any grappling sport, such as BJJ or wrestling, puts one at higher risk for some infections. Staph and ringworm are pretty common.
Ringworm is a common problem with HS/college wrestling teams as well as in BJJ schools. It's passed by skin to skin contact from someone that has it to others. If one student/person on the team has ringworm it can spread it pretty quickly to everyone they train with. Been there, wanted to kill the bastard that started the spread.
Staph infections on the other hand don't come from training unless the mats are filthy. Staph is a bacterial infection most commonly contracted through scrapes or cuts. The reason it's more prevalent in grappling is because of those rub burns on your elbows and knees from doing ground work. That's actually the upper most layer of skin being scraped off which creates a route for infection.
Best practice is to make sure you shower after every training session, spray any rub burns or scrapes with a mild antiseptic and be sure to keep those areas clean. If any of those areas start feeling sore or sensitive, see a Dr rather than 'waiting it out'. Catching it early is the best way to prevent it getting to the point of TSS or worse, bacterial meningitis.
@@CzechSixTv Good to know. Thank you
Staph and ringworm are common in bjj
In my experience Ring worm is fairly common, but haven’t in person met a guy with Staph
He shaved his beard just for the impression ...now I have to salute to you
Dedicated to my craft right? What sucks is i needed the beard for another one.
I was so confused on that!
“Oh, you do karate? Is that like karate?”
Throughout my ENTIRE 18-year career in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu, my mother always called it, "karate".
And during my 7 year karate career, my mom always called it judo...
This some mom-conspiracy or something??
@@AxeTrophy What???!!! Did your mom grow up in the 60's?
@@perfectsplit5515 Surprisingly accurate.
Axel G probably
"So are you saying it's a complete waste of time to train karate, check it out?"
@Rafed Khalil lol
🤣🤣🤣🤣 That still has me dead
its amazing how kyokushin allows kicks to the head everyone is ok with that, but punches are still to this day not allowed
I've read before that they banned punches to the face because people were getting cuts and whatnot. Bleeding pretty much anywhere on your face from a cut will bleed a lot, but it's most likely superficial and nonimportant. But it was turning off people interested in starting, you know... In case no padding bare fisted fighting changes much by banning face hits...
@Alexey Alexeev. You are 100% right about this.
@@Valentin119 . Nearly every training i did in kyokushin some one was bleeding and every one got bruises.
traditional kyokushin is done bare knuckle, so punches to the face are incredibly dangerous. even when you're just simply sparring.
@@Valentin119 People are not getting cuts to the face, they are getting deformed by broken jaws and other parts of the cranium. Kyokushin tournaments has no protection or weight classes.
I'm pretty glad my Kyokushin dojo is ran by MMA guys, that really keeps it nice and open.
That kinda sounds like a winner. Multi-discipline guys capable of filling in the gaps while still maintaining the integrity and tradition of the base art... could be lethal.
And honest
A lot more Kyokushin dojos globally have implemented sparring with punches to the face -- with headgear of course. Still too many though, are still too traditional, unfortunately.
I train in a karate dojo where my senses did a lot of boxing
@@thebigmick1348 hey we have the same name.
"Lyoto Machida would beat your ass using ballet" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 awesome. Love the Dragon.
Mindsmash
You forgot GSP and McGregor.
@Joe Mamania not quite. He uses SOME karate footwork and boxing techniques.
There are 0 [ZERO] fighters able to go to a cage/ring by only using Karate. You just have to learn wrestling/Sambo/BJJ or no-gi Judo. And, just as important, you need to lean boxing. Western boxing. The myth that "you keepthe opponent away with your kicks" is just a myth.
I did kyokushin for like 6 years, before my dojo closed down, and I bounced around capoeira, boxing, and muay thai. (then eventually landed in BJJ, but that's irrelevant now)
Kyo gives you insane conditioning. Getting your body hit bareknuckle, and kicked constantly does build tolerance. But day 1 boxing, the only difference between me and the total beginners was that I could take a body shot, it's insane how much of a blindspot you can develop for head punches.
I hate love/hate boxing 🥊. Amazing in learning how to strike, but impossible to master without minor 🧠 damage. Kiokushin had strikes initially and removed after multiple incidents - Ojama didn't want to turn karate into boxing with 🧤
The Kyokushin Kaikan has made moves recently to reintroduce head strikes and other moves that were banned throughout the years like "judo" throws for high level contestants. At the moment it's still something reserved for high level ADULT practitioners and more of a side event for the most traditional ruleset, but it seems they feel like they lost something important when they banned those moves and are trying to recover that.
@@leonardomarquesbellini Fudokan has takedowns, but penalize every clinch/grab if no takedown performed in reasonable time. I.e. avoiding wrestling
lmao in muay Thai they cast spells before every fight
Somebody explained what that is to me but I already forgot.
@@hard2hurt raditional dance to show disrespect not so much spells, more like the hakka before a rugby match
@@dantae666 Yes, but that's all well and good in sports. In real life, when you have someone assaulting you for whatever reason, wants to rob you, stab you or whatever, you can't afford to do haka or do the muay thai ceremonial prayers or even warm up.
You can't go: "hold on mr. Aggressor, I need to wrap my hands, do my dances, do my warm ups and then you can attack me.
In real life, when self defense comes into play all of the above is useless garbage. By the time you make your dance and prayers and warm ups, you will end up injured or killed. You need to act on the spot at a moment's notice.
@@ChrisKsan yeah no shit, just like a martial artist isnt gonna do a kata or an mma fighter isnt gonna only put shorts n gloves on with a mouth guard, no ones that fucking stupid to do that.
@@dantae666 No the Wai Kru and Ram Muay dance is to show respect for their trainers and prayers for good luck.
I mastered chambering my fist as practice for grabbing my opponent's sword. Unfortunately, my opponent was unarmed, so I got wrecked.
Wow you're actually really good at acting. Not only the accent but also the hand gestures and micro expressions, especially the eyes👀
Fabrobin I told Mike this long ago..he is native in this...I offered him a job in Mexico..he said not for me...was about Speedy Gonzales movie..
ruclips.net/video/v4s2AMKPHnE/видео.html
He refused the nice offer to play as the mouse...hmmm
I actually shot, edited and finished this video but I only did the voice and hand gestures, I didn't do the eyebrow movements and I just wasn't happy. I said that 99% of people would still think it was good, but one guy would be like "not your best work." You would have been that one guy! Thanks for noticing.
@@dannycalugar you think I could play speedy Gonzalez? Arriba arriba!
@@hard2hurt hahahaha,,,,so is arriba not arriva?..my spanish sucks..hombre?
No ..I think you should play Foghorn Leghorn
,,Physically, Foghorn Leghorn is depicted as a tall, overweight rooster with a Southern accent; he is easily the tallest of all the regular Looney Tunes characters,and about 5 '5" tall in a good day...and he shaves very rarely his demented beard?.. He has a bombastic and somewhat unrefined personality, added to which he shows a penchant for mischief...,,
Just say like Foghorn Leghorn - Ah Shaddap!! when dealing with karate or aikidos who attack you??..hahahaha..that would be hilarious...do it!
ruclips.net/video/BMaUBeaiHnQ/видео.html
Kissi")
@J C Icy Mike will hit you on angles also he bites balls?..I am Icy Mike,by the way...
Kyokushin guys are solid like rock. I just sparred one of them last week ,their body like rock.
🙏
That is one damn good reason to train in Kyo Karate. Conditioning the body to absorb blows.
"And you can get your Black Belt before puberty" LOOOL!
Only in those bullshit places where you dont learn actual karate and you celebrate birthday partys
@George Rome luckily when people took Muay Thai and started teaching it in a bad way (like McDojo's did for Karate), they called it fitness kickboxing. Too much business, too little real stuff, right?
@Henrick Boot 100%. At our school we have a fitness kickboxing program but we explain that it is purely for fitness. Then we also have a separate traditional Muay Thai program with an instructor trained in Thailand. Too many places trick people into believing that they are going to learn more than they are.
People shouldn't use the way of the mcdojo as the general way rofl. In a serious kyokushin dojo you must be 18+ to get a black belt, have attended to various camps to show dedication, and also train for minimum 5-6+ years of regular training.
Ohh those mcdojos certainly makes us look bad..
@@andrewlopez5559 you earned a blackbelt at 8 after two years of training weekday evenings and learned how to "murder a human" with your bare hands? Would that be other eight-year-olds or any human? ...did you ever actually murder any eight-year-olds?
“Most people don’t even know there is more than one style of karate, which is understandable because they all look the same.” That made me laugh my ass off 😂
I cant believe I didnt get any bites on that one yet.
hard2hurt “you don’t understand!!!! in Miyagi-do, the stance is wider and the wrist lock in the 7th kata is done with one hand, but in Cobra Kai it’s done with two and is followed by a spinning back kick to the groin.” - Troll who has never practiced karate
why whats funny?
More like ''they're all equally useless and retarded...''
Man, you nailed The karate Nerd's way of talking! You're good!
Ha thanks. I watched some of his videos over and over
It’s absolutely amazing how much a wig changes the look of someone. Lol
He shaved his face as well.
@@markhuber50all just to make fun of a martial art... martial artist masters should respect all styles
Kyokushin dude here. I agree. There's a sports reason to remove punches to the face, we don't use gloves nor protection. Either way, in my dojo they use to encourage us to practice both boxing and muay thai as complementary training.
I support kyokushin, agree to you!!! 😇
But how do you encorporate boxing and kyokushin? Don't they have different methods of punching?
@@Gitohandro Old comment, but I would assume it would be like the foundations, ie, head movement, head contact sparring, volume stricking, I believe even some school are teaching the idea of a jab itself for distance management, at least at my dojo's. Granted, we were a seriously mma-esque karate dojo who adopted other techniques and ideas from other styles like jjj, boxing, kickboxing, and tkd.
Hey kinda late, but answer me this: why would you ban punches to the face but not full roundhouse kicks?
@@jacksteppenwolf6975 Mas Oyama, the founder of Kyokushin, was forced by the head karate organizations to either adopt crap gloves, or ditch head strikes, so he chose to ditch head strikes.
most of kyokushin was intended to be as raw as possible and they didn't have the money to afford all those gloves.
I didn’t know Ellen Degeneris was into martial arts ?
Hehehe 😁
I feel sooo dumb i actually believed that the karate nerd wasn't you 😂😂😂😭😭😭
James Entroscasastronomicaltroscaso read your comment and still took me five mins after to realize lmao
Was a good impression 😂
however dumb you felt it wasn't as dumb as I felt when I had to read your comment before I realized
No, not dumb, thats cute 😆
The “check it out” impression is hilarious 😂
ikr lmao
Oh my gawd im ded this was by FAR the funniest impersonation.
"I have a stick and a towel, check it out"
Jesse Emkamp: " I got a towel and a stick check it out" Random Streat Thug: "Yeah and I got a 21 inch long machete what do you think you going to do with a towel and a stick?!" but yes icy Mike was obviously poking fun at those improvised weapon drills that are often seen in martial arts schools.
@@garynaccarto8636 I think the context of the towel and stick is comparing the two types of strikes. Towel for more snappy strikes like the kicks in TKD/Trad Karate/Savate while hitting with a stick is more like Muay Thai/Kyokushin kicks
@@TheRubypokespe yeah your probably right.besides even though I do ocasionally watch Jesse Empkamps videos I don't watch them that often so I don't think I actually seen the video where he was talking about the towel and the stick but what your saying makes sense.
Haha it was fun to do!
@@garynaccarto8636 Yeah there was a specific video where he was describing it like @TheBoredJuan said.
As a lifelong martial artist who has practiced karate for 18 years, I think it's important to take a step back and evaluate EVERY art objectively as much as we should evaluate ourselves. If you just hide in a hole telling yourself you're the best, you aren't going to grow. No art is "the best" but lies in how you practice it. I've known some BJJ blackbelts who couldn't fight their way out of a paperbag, and some whitebelts who could wrestle me into a damn pretzel; some black belts in karate who have poor form and fighting skills and some white belts who could (and have) given me a run for my money. There's too much emphasis on rank instead of the individual.
As for traditional karate, people today wouldn't WANT to practice it the old way because of how people today would probably think it's boring and hurts.
My Krav Maga coach told me "when I was learning Karate I was already beating up ass. Even before Krav Maga." He hired a Kyokushin coach to guide us on kicking. (An awesome coach!) His favourite Dutch kickboxer is the late Remon Dekker who literally ate the Thai fighters for lunch! And Dutch kickboxing has a very strong Kyokushin base.
Kyokushin, Dutch Kickboxing and Daido Juku are very good martial sports and practical systems to complement Krav Maga training (besides boxing).
I have a black belt in shotokan. Purple BJJ and train with alex beck. He's retired now, but he was pretty big back in the 90's. Dutch kickboxing is a VERY good completement to everything. I especially love how we dont check leg kicks. We just squat a little and take that shit so we can be close for the counter attack
Ramon Dekkers was a great fighter, but he did not eat Thais for lunch. He had his ups AND downs in MT.
growing up in karate we did full contact kickboxing sparring 2x a week and were taught fundamental groundfighting, greco clinch, and muay thai. we all knew how to check a leg kick, a basic sprawl vs a double leg, and how to pummel. these 3 skills took me so much farther than a sport kyokushin background would have. great video, great points.
The first martial art I studied was Karate. Learned it from a neighbor who was a Hell's Angel biker guy (he later went to prison for something). I never had any trouble in my youth getting myself out of trouble. The stuff that Burt taught me worked over and over again against guys with boxing and wrestling backgrounds. When I hear someone tell me that Karate doesn't work against such and such style I just chuckle.
sure man
Like, NOBODY believs you!!
@@camiloweinmann6440 Like I don't care butt plug.
Dont listen to those noobs karate is the shit
@@guyfierri1234 They were actually quite good. I was just better.
“Check it out!”
"I think everything kind of sucks in one way or another" - truer words have never been spoken
"Oh, and you can get your black-belt before puberty." Best parting shot ever: bow to the master!
@Joe Mamania Black belts are supposed to signify real proficiency and a lot of knowledge about the art. No 8 year old black belt has enough skill to warrant that rank. Black belts should be reserved for long term serious martial artists, like in BJJ
In Europe you have to be 18 years old and a Japanese karate master has to come so you can take a black belt test
Every martial art is incomplete, if you bring ANY pure martial art to MMA you will have to add to it. It’s not fair because it’s 1 martial art vs all martial arts. Most karate guys are purests so of course it's not as good by itself, I think the art has much more potential.
Thank you.
Well said
Someone should ask Yuri Boyka, the most complete fighter, what style he prefers.
"most karate guys are purests"
Most karate guys are people who were brought up believing that their style is the standard for self-defense and unarmed combat, and that a karate black belt makes one an authority in unarmed combat. They believe that the merit of any other style which is radically different from theirs is subject to their evaluation.
They are generally not willing to start over in a new and radically different style, because to do so would mean giving up their rank and status, which would hurt their ego.
They use hypothetical speculative arguments to rationalize why some other move from some other style, or even an entire style itself, would not "really work" in a real fight, regardless of its success in MMA. They use these speculative arguments as fake accomplishments to compensate for the lack of any real accomplishments by karate.
Karate is my “base style”-because that’s what I trained in first. In my time In the Army and in LE I have worked and trained and sparred with team mates who’s base styles where: Krav Maga, BJJ, Capoera, Judo, Hapkido, Japanese Jiujutsu, Escrima, Silat, Sport Boxing and Sport Wrestling. Most martial arts and combat sports have some redeeming techniques. Karate certainly taught me several strikes, blocks, kicks, checks and throws that have proven effective, but I’ve also incorporated things learned on the mat hard sparing against team mates with different styles. Our only rules where basically no knee kicks, and no open hand strikes to the face. Only protective equipment was GI, cup, kenpo gloves and bite guard.
"I've got 2 words for you"
*Holds up one finger*
What can I say? After been training, compiting and teaching karate kyokushin for 15 years, I can asure you that karate works for self defence as mach as it works in fights with muay thai, mma, krav maga or boxing dudes. Karate is as efective for real fights as law school is it for trials, but obviosly there are millions of usless lawyers, and millions of crappy karate practicioners. Those are the ones that abandon, change to other styles without even consider that perhaps what didnt work was them, not the art. Its the way it is, i've seen it through the years, people sucks and blame karate. I been through a lot of street fights, and karate save my life, and I didn't get punched in the face.
Watch ufc 1-3. You’re living in denial dude. Forget mma, anyone proficient in bjj would wipe the floor with any standup. This isn’t my opinion. It’s fact. It was the very purpose of ufc at its infancy. To compare the best styles. And what it showed was that standup is useless against grappling. What mma subsequently proved was that standup can be effective, but only if you have a ground game. If all you have is karate, you’ll be twisted likes pretzel. Please come to reality. When Karate does become legit is when it is in the hands of a fighter that has a legit ground game and has take down defense. Once you have that, then standup (insert martial art here) becomes effective. What I just described is the evolution of MMA from 1993 to today.
@@peterchon1179 so what about if I do kyokushin and bjj? Would that be good?
@@peterchon1179 and if you watch now you will realise that bjj is also dying...
@@pedroroggla8129good, I can’t stand bjj. It’s like McDonalds now - everywhere and looks so stupid - grown men awkwardly rolling on a Matt - not aesthetic or exciting to watch at all
This channel is really underrated. You do such spot in impressions, Mike
Thanks man! I'm happy with the viewers I've got and the growth so far. It will come!
4:10 killed me. "... basically dies." Lol
We have to give that karate guy credit he was absorbing those kicks like a unit.
CaptainG you realise people punch to the face in street fights right
CaptainG you train 4 da streetz?
I think what happened is that traditional karate, in order to survive, started focusing more and more on the sport and "self defense" aspect in order to keep Dojos open, and there was also that weird McDojo phase where it went worldwide without any consideration of the original Martial Art.
Traditional Karate has stories of Karateka throughout the years winning duels with elbows, knees, grapples, and other "MMA" moves, but this phase of Karate was already in decline by the time modern MMA started to get big.
MMA also carries with it the exact same risk as other combat sports, and indeed these traditional systems, that it could become more and more focused on the sport aspect than in creating a system of sparring and teaching that best emulates a real fight. Even modern sport Muay Thai which forms the backbone of many MMA strikers could be seen as a regression of traditional Muay Boran, which was focused on military killing arts and weaponry.
"He would still beat your ass... using ballet." LOL
That's not what Cobra Kai said. You show too much mercy. Weak!
In my style of karate, we learn powerful kicks, kick boxing, sparring (full contact, not point sparring), wristlocks and chokes, also we have weeks dedicated for boxing and will work our punches a lot and make sure we keep our hands up, can dodge punches and have powerful strikes. How do you feel about this compared to other traditional styles of karate?
Don’t listen to this guys bro science
I think this guys point is that any time dedicated to tradition or respect would be better served learning to be a total douchbag.
Hey, great vid! i trained kyokushin for about, 10 years or so, and was still surprised in sparring when we had a muay thai person drop in, who'd forget the limits under pressure and throw a punch to the face, catching me completely open. it helped me realize i had no high guard whatsoever when it comes to punches. high kicks and even knees to the head i could manage by controlling distance, but come on, a big part of the puzzle WAS being left out, and conditioned out of us even.
Abdullah Damluji that's the inherent problem with karate and TKD rules. You train for 10 years but then get into a real fight and get dropped...because everyone throws punches to the face in real fights...
Yeah... you gotta train how you fight. If you're just into it for the art or sport that's cool but I could see that ruleset giving you some bad habits.
Dunno, in eastern Europe, kyokushin allows for head strikes...
Michal Poláček Eastern Europe is filled with badasses! You guys are hardcore!
@@OkurkaBinLadin in Germany my sensei doesn't even allow me to take my Arms down during running. So we mainly train head defense. Almost no body defense.
I am not sure what karate you are talking about. Most karate is to get average people to handle average threats. The stuff I do involves a lot of eye gouges, elbows, knees, ground work, throws, close in sparring, distance fighting, hitting things hard and in combinations, making sure that you hit vital targets (not pressure points) making sure you can defend yourself against boxers, mma, kick boxers and so on. But I suppose most styles have given all of that up for the sake of winning trophies.
Everyone has a plan... until they get punched in the face.
Yep. So you should make your plan "get punched in the face" and you'll be able to execute.
I would love to throw my two cents in there. Having done martial arts a long time I find myself always coming back to karate because of the foundation and technical training. how to feel stable and solid, how to move and manipulate. though that said I didn't practice a traditional form but a modified form. so we would stand there and get hit as hard as we could for an hour to learn what we could absorb and what to block. I also find that karate teaches you how to fight effectively with as little effort as possible. why I regularly attend 300 rounds of Kumite events. so while you diffidently should branch out. I mean karate teaches you how to sweep and get someone on the floor but it ends there. so if you get someone that can grapple, your fucked. karate is by far the most foundational martial art there but like anything, A closed mind will get you hurt. anyways thanks for reading, just my opinion.
"300 rounds kumite" okie dokie bub. You have a very horrific date with a pugilist coming your way.
Actually your right i did karate for 5 years and still think i am missing something(and grappling)and now i am trying to incorporate other martial arts and sports like MT boxing jui jitsu taekwondo etc.
@liquid sword yes me too but i was 4 years old
@@H33t3Speaks LOL
@pat mat look into uechi ryu that’s the most pragmatic karate style I’ve found so far. The forms of karate these people talk about are like the sport/ modern karate and don’t practice a lot of the important aspects which traditionally were practiced. Shotokan is to karate what boxing is to MMA. It’s really only one part of it. If people like cared to learn about cultures that aren’t their own then they could maybe come to learn about reality and not make ignorant comments... sounds a little too big brained for the hard to hurt. But hey what do I know. Is kata worthless? Not really? It’s good for reviewing techniques in private when you don’t have an equipment. Is shadow boxing all you do in boxing? I don’t think so. Ground work pins are not typical seen as worth while if you can smash their balls or face with a stomp. Does that take training ? No, but it takes some conditioning of the body to make it even more painful.
OMG You nailed Jesse's accent so perfectly. :D Agree on most points as well.
What I think is intersting is, that his brother Oliver is a fighter in the UFC, who has the same Karate family background as Jesse. I would love to see his next fight! ^^
Not in UFC I think Belator
@@MrManda007 Oliver Enkamp, fought in the UFC fight night 109 and 127. But apparently he signed for Bellator after that as he got cut by the UFC.
Jesse says my accent sounded more Russian!
Yeah, he didn't do so hot in the UFC, which is too bad, I was really rooting for him.
You shaved your beard just for this? I am impressed.
Lyoto Machido, going by wiki, dude did boxing and Muay Thai in his teens and obviously still does it at his training camp to make his karate work.
@Henrick Boot He does alot of weaving when he's close in. Watch some old fights where he gets in the pocket his boxing influence is extremely clear when he's getting pressured. He isn't just throwing snap kicks, and side kicks for the majority of his fights.
As far as I know. He is a student of shotokan.
@@djvibes3704 There is more to Karate than snap or side kicks, which constitute a small portion of Karate's arsenal.
@@salsadjuniversity in Shotokan they're the meat and potatoes and make up the bulk of the techniques used.
@Siddhartha RC You are right as far as most modern karate training is concerned, but there are different karate styles and training methodologies. Try and have a look at some videos of traditional karate training in Okinawa and if you have the time include some examples of Morio Higaonnas Branch of the Goju Ryu style.
Karate has a wide range arsenal, the modern Kumite does not include most of them.
Full on Karate guy here.
I agree with this video a ton. Enshin is my base, but I train Jiu-Jutsu and kickboxing. To take the traditional way and mix it into something modern is important. Always look for evolution.
Same way i train and teach in our dojo
Bruce Lee, The original mixed martial artist.
Well, It just seems logical to train in kyokushin karate to gain that absurd durability and then boxing for head protection.
muay thai is better for durabiliity they literally kick you in the stomach repeatedly to train your resistance
@@zephune9506 nope
@Drake Barnes all the thai's do it, so go and tell them they dont know what theyre doing. videos of buakaw, sanchai doing it too, i guess they dont know either? even boxers do it with punches. so stop talking nonsense
@Drake Barnes what do you think the point of a medicine ball is. same concept
gJb 1 maybe but muay thai guys would fuck them guys up. Them guys condition their bodies in retarded ways, not good for old age
There is a reason why Mixed Martial Arts has become a "Thing"...
And it's because Every Martial Art has its Strengths and its Weaknesses...
So people decided to take a lesson from Plywood...
And Mix It Up!
So that the Strengths of one art...
Can weaknesses from another.
Shoot, I think the real problem with Karate and Tae Kwon do (speaking as a tkd stan here) is that not only are people not used to being hit in the face, the majority of the people at the schools I went to didnt even go to the sparring classes. They're completely unfamiliar with what it's like to have another person in front of you who isn't going to go along with whatever you want, all the beautiful technique in the world doesn't matter if you don't have timing for it
7:20 not incorporating another things, but completing your karate, for instance, every single wrestling throw can be found in kata, but people misunderstood kata, it is not a training method, you are not going to learn how to fight doing kata, what kata does it tells you what to do, and then you grab a partner and drill kata moves like double leg takedown over and over again(this is what write in Gitchin Funakoshi's books, there are also pictures of karatekas doing ground and pound, single leg, all kinds of sweeps etc. from 1930's). Karate was ruined by japanese in 1940's when they took 95 %(clinch, circular punches, full contact, ground game, limb manipulations, submissions...) of karate and called it sport karate (JKA and JKF, but it is actually a moment when real karate died, it just looks like it spreads out), I am really sorry for karate and for people that thinks like you because you don't know what is karate.(no offense :D)
The problem here is that you have to waste time trying to shoe-horn kata into live combat scenarios. If you're paying money to learn how to be effective in those scenarios, then they should just show you the best way to succeed. If you treat kata as an interpretive index of possible solutions to thousands of different threats, you're doing it wrong. If you treat it as a way to practice explosiveness, tighten up your strikes, meditatively/therapeutically, then you can find value in it. Stop trying to make kata work in real life, it's just too limiting and it's almost always a red herring.
@@musicpro26 So learning single leg and double leg and hundreds of body transitions is waste of time?, because you are not gonna be able to decide which one you are going to use. Kata is NOT scenario, it is a book, tutorial on how to do takedown, clinch fighting, grappling transitions etc...
What dan are you and how long have you been training?
@@mattyahmed7729 I am actually 1 dan, but any reward in today's "karate" world is waste of time, because they want you to do kata as an art of movement which is NOT, kata represent something very ugly and brutal, and it doesn't matter how it looks...I am training now for 12 years
@@goodbuy7556 I don't understand why you disrespect your own training which you have clearly put alot of effort into. Are you saying all those years you put in were a "waste"?!What caused you to look into the bunkai of kata?Im guessing it had something to do with your "modern"karate.Going back to Gichin Funakoshis books that you refered to,he states "every kata is applied in kumite".You may not even realiase it,but you practise application alot more then you think.
I think the biggest flaw in MOST jiu jitsu is that striking is not practiced in combination with it. I understand it’s strictly grappling, but for realism striking should be applied in training.
That impersonation of Jesse, ahahahah. Every time you said "check it out" I was bloody dying.
New watcher. I like how you give all styles a level of respect while honestly calling out their shortcomings. I like the honesty. Cool channel
Styles mean NOTHING. Its the man not the style that makes what he does effective
Not true at all. A decent wrestler will destroy 99% of all traditional martial artists.
@ZSP You live in fantasy land. Boxing, wrestling, mma, muay thai are much more effective than Karate, Kung Fu, Aikido, Capoeira, Taekwondo or any other traditional martial art.
@@yotornadoyo true kata and tkd belt dancing is absolute bullshit ressistance training like boxing wrestling and muay thai is great
@@yotornadoyo also don't kick the body or legs with your foot just condition the shins or you'll break your foot can't believe tkd instructors taught us such utter bullshit
Oh the cope
Best striking martial art: Muay Thai
Best grappling: Jiu jitsu
Best martial art: Jiu jitsu For 1v1
Best vs like 3 guys is boxing
Good point about the punch in the head at 4 minutes mark but could it also be because it was a match with rule sets that the karate guy just tried to sell it? I mean in a real fight could his reaction to the headpuch be different? Like just eating it and hitting back?
I think a lot of traditional martial arts were more primal and brolic then people think. Like Mike kind of touched on, I think a lot of the form training and katas were used to develop body mechanics and how to slug really hard. And through the times people focused on the aesthetic (and identity) and a lot of the intent was lost.
its because of the belt system, they made the rules to know the katas for it, without the belt system karate would focus more on effectiveness, I personally train in my karate gym like the teachers want me to but outside i train more like western kickboxing combined with the things i learn in my karate gym, the stuff you learn in my gym isn't enough but you can always learn outside the gym aswell or do sparring outside the gym with a friend or something.
I used to train kyokushin for 6 years and then once I had a street fight where I realized that I was not able to read face punches, even though I was very responsive to any type of kicks... Besides my natural instinct was to punch the stomach instead of attacking someone's face which is the most effective thing to do in a street fight....
did you practice punching in the facce, and taking hits? (i apply facial punches and getting punched in the face to my kyokushin karate)
@@katrinsaarik3756 even then, kyokushin has a different fighting range... We are good in close range fighting... Muay Thai or kick boxing is use full when it comes to all round fighting...
@@muroz00188 kyokushin is a great style for self defense, when someone tried to attack me i used one kick and he fell and ran lol
The problem of karate is... the way that the majority of schools teach it. There's schools that not sparr, in the best of cases just ipon kumite. And well, the rules of point fight is just not realistic and create inibations. Karate would be effective if they practice ipon kumite- throw hits, block it and hit it or grab it- with contact, like kick boxing or muay thai, and if the rules of sport combat were more like kyokushin , including fist strikes to the face, of course, but also grabing, lock, chokes, and practice this things - ipon kumite wiht contact and saprring this way - every fucking week, like KB or MT. Realy, if karate make that transformation it will become a badass style. (Sorry for my english, i'm from Argentina -by the way, my kick boxingn master is Cristian El cabron Palacios, sudamerican full contact champion at 70kgs, you can check out some of his fights on youtube -). Oh yeah, What was the first dicipline, your roots, that introduced you in all these things?
Are you saying Kudo (Daido Juku)?
Argentina huh? Do you follow liquidcadmus? He is a good martial arts youtuber from Argentina. I actually started in Kuk Sool Won which is a very watered down style from Korea and has been called "Korean Karate."
Most schools teach sport karate
kyokushin is also karate :D ("empty hand"), the problem are the customers, who demand day care centers for their children. So people think, that karate is just shotokan...
If you want to be technical about it all martial arts that forego the use of weapons and only uses the human body as a weapon can be considered karate.
So technically all kickboxers/boxers/muay thai fighters/vale tudo fighters/mma fighters are all Karateka.
Very good impression. You had me rolling. Kata gives you the option to practice by yourself anytime anywhere. The meaning behind each movement in a kata are endless and taking the time to learn different meanings help to develop the students fighting ability. There is no waisted movements in kata. For example the salutation done with the hands at the beginning and ending of each kata is a wrist lock. And at my age it’s just fun exercise.
Rather than Lyoto Machida, actually the first person I think of in mma when we mention karate is GSP.
I think of Wonderboy, GSP is mostly a wrestler nowadays
@HeavyDutyTraining So? It was GSP himself who credited his karate base for his success. Even John Danaher and Firas Zahabi said the way he shoots in so fast at unexpected angles come from his karate based and it would be hard to replicate that successfully in competitions. If Machida is the first guy that comes to your mind, great. But that has nothing to do with me.
Kyokushin don’t remove face punches . It’s just for competition . It’s like ufc removing head butts
Steven Thompson
@muay thug He was literally a Kyokushin Karate champ lol. He got his black belt young and you can clearly tell in his early fights that his striking came from Karate.
Kudos to you for being open-minded enough to take the call from the Karate Nerd Jesse. I think he is certainly dedicated in his study of Karate. Regarding your comment on the effects of behavioural conditioning in combat situations, you are 100% on the money. Doesn't that Kyokushin video speak volumes.
Take a shot every time he says "check it out"
Andy Hug is a Kyokushin fighter, and GSP was a Kyokushin fighter.
I would say out of all the Karate styles, Kyokushin would probably be the more feasible one to train in, for fighting in a real fight. All the others ones are just for show.
Dude! I loved that I hear it all the time. "Is that like Karate?" LMFAO
"They sit around sharing bjj" I straight up died, LMAO
what do you think of ITF Taekwondo?
GNT 😂😂😂
I don't know shit about Taekwondo! I would defer to @kwonkicker on that one! That is until I decide to do a video on it... in which case I will form a very final and inflammatory opinion... despite still not knowing shit about it.
Karate and taekwondo are like the salt and pepper of martial arts
Great way to put it
omg i thought this was Ellen doing karate for a moment
I thought it was Gordon Ramsay
☠💀☠💀
I've been training at karate for 7 years now and received my black belt promotion last month. And I have to say... This is spot on. We focused primarily on Kata, bunkai and tournament sparring. Needless to say I hated that. I'm in grade 10 now, a sho dan ho black belt, and I'm not confident if somebody starts a fight. I'm starting Muay Thai soon so I hope that it will help me more than karate. Even though I do think karate helps people get a taste in martial arts, see what it's like and to see if they'll commit to it.
I have trained in karate as well. And I have learn 4other styles as well. Let me tell you one thing... The physical conditioning that karate emphasize on is brilliant. We trained to take a lot of blows.
Here in Brazil we used to beat the shit out of each other on kumite. It was fun
Specially the 2x1 and 3x1 omg it was fun as hell.
Even if you learn Muay Thai, its does'nt mean that you will become brave in a streetfight. Tournaments is different in streetfights. Even kumite champions can freeze in a bar/gang fight, point a gun by a holdupper ect. You just need to be alert, stay calm and keep your mind. Always remember that an average brave guy are nothing but only brave. That they don't have a strenght and martial art skills. That they're just sucker punch. Their mind is Hulk but their skill are spongebob lmao.
My first experience with martial arts that *WASN'T* watching TV or a movie was attending a Goju Ryu dojo, which I started my studies in almost 30 years ago. Our sensei specifically taught us to *question* why we did certain moves in our kata, and to *NOT* focus on kata too much unless we specifically wanted to train up to compete in kata performances. Also, at the time, the rules at least for the local Goju Ryu governing body (I can't speak for the parent organisation) required students to be at least 15 to become brown belts, and 18 to become black belts. The skill requirements for the junior belts were also much stricter than I've seen in any other karate dojo since. I've been in a dojo (I won't name the style) where I saw preteen brown belts who wouldn't even have been permitted to wear a white belt in the dojo I attended. I think, like any martial art, the efficacy of karate depends on where and how you learn it, as well as how dedicate you are to *understanding* what it's teaching you (as well as what it *isn't* teaching, which was a surprisingly important point of discussion in some lessons I had as a child).
I agree, In our dojo, kids belt is not the same than adults belt.
Definitely, that said, I usually feel that kata is unfairly thrown aside. With me coming from a pragmatic shotokan dojo, with a heavy focus on self defense, I noticed that each kata has a specific purpose with what it teaches.
People have God awful motor skills and kata helps them overcome their boundaries by specifically extracting one skill (e.g. Core tension) and creating a form which aims at improving that skill.
@@AxeTrophy That's a really good point, actually. Thanks for giving me a new angle to look at kata from! :)
In the begining in Kyokushin punches at head were allowed, but Oyama oserved to much absences after training face injuries, then he cancelled that rule. But what a problem hit on chudan and aim your hand on jodan (head)? It's 9jodan) still practiced. morover shin-kyokushin added gloves to freely punch at head too with all the other rules or rather very few limitations of Kyokushin.
sorry for poor English, it's my 3rd language i learn
Did you just..... make an anime opening for yourself?
Is it anime?
That Jesse Enkamp impression in the beginning had me dying
I used to do kyokushin, never thought about the thing about getting hit in the head and stopping getting unconsciously programmed into you, very good point! Although we did spar in gloves a lot (a.k.a kickbox), so maybe it was negotiating that effect.
They you had superior base to run-of-the-mill Muay Thai. SInce you were learning both K1 kickboxing and bare-knuckle kyokushin at the same time.
Why did you stop?
Hmmm a Karate guy stopping after being punched? Not in all styles...did Shotokan for years and people carried on with broken heels, jaws, dislocated toes.
I'd agree Karate is not a self defence 'style' but it can teach discipline, speed and fitness and an understanding of how the body moves which you can transfer into learning more useful self defence techniques.
Bwhahahahaha!
“You can get your black belt before puberty”
OMG, you had Jesse spot on!
As far as whether Karate is good for fighting, I feel that every fighting system under the sun is useless for fighting unless you actually go up against real people and experience getting your ass beat. And yes, that includes MMA.
Agreed.
@Furkan der SSJ - Die Dönerbruderschaft then teleport to the other hemisphere
I’m gonna have to disagree strongly about kyokushin. I do wrestling and jiujitsu both and I can easily identify in the heat of sparring a wrestling mode, where I don’t lock hands, I slam people harder, I don’t go to my back, and an jiujitsu mode, where I choke when I can and do takedowns a bit easier
Everyone’s reflexes are different and some people absolutely can handle training kyokushin and another martial art. Kyokushin as a primary training system is fine, but incorporate the boxing to fill in your holes. That’s it. Lots of legit fighters started off in kyokushin, but the common ground is they all know how to box.
Cross training is important, and as a system it’s flawed more than many individual martial arts, but when partnered with other arts your holes get filled fairly well and you end up very well rounded.
No art does body conditioning like kyokushin.
I dont think you disagree strongly.
Icy Mike well yes, your idea is that kyokushin sucks, but my idea is that it’s not designed to be done as an exclusive practice. Nor was aikido or even judo for that matter. Karate guys that made certain kinds of jujutsus or forms of karate or whatever, these guys had like a million black belts and probably fought regularly. They viably already knew some form of boxing and found it an appropriate training method to not punch the face
I don’t think it was ever meant for you to just do that, I think you’re supposed to know how to fight but additionally your body is unbreakable.
I think even with something like aikido I think your supposed to already know how to fight but then if there’s an opportunity you can fiddle with a wrist lock or whatever. You’re not supposed to learn how to catch their fist and apply a proper wrist lock in half a second.
I don’t think these martial arts were ever supposed to be individual training methods. I doubt you’d argue gymnastics is a bad martial art just because it won’t teach you how to fight, because becoming stronger, more flexible, and better coordinated is always good. I don’t think you even need to consider karate or aikido or whatever a martial art, it’s just a form of training to improve a specific part of your skill set. No different than gymnastics or weight lifting or running
So I don’t see what’s with the martial arts hate. I don’t think any of your viewers are actually under the impression a single martial art can be better than learning mma but focusing on street applications. But when you say “this or that sucks” I think it’s indoctrinating them to the belief that a fighting style will either teach you how to fight on its own or it sucks.
Vincent Lee
1. No they didn’t. I’m calling bullshit. If they were leading to death they could have just fucking spoke up and said “hey Tim stop beating the fuck out of my skull maybe?” And any reasonable person would stop
2. Cool. So how about you just don’t kill each other but still punch the head? I don’t WANT kyokushin to have grad punches because then they’d lose the things they’re good at, having unbreakable bodies. I’m just saying what you’re selling is a load of crap
3. Does it matter if everyone was a head hunter if it was effective? They wouldn’t ban it because everyone has the same style. Now everyone uses know movement and just goes blow for blow seeing who can throw a surprise jumping kick first to knock the other one out
And lastly I never said I do kyokushin
Hey Icy Mike,
Long time follower here. Really liked your video here. It would be great to hear your opinion on KUDO which is a style of karate that mixes Judo and has competitions similar to MMA. Also they practice hits to the face but with headgear that look like space helmets because of the face shield.
I practice Kyokushin since January of 2019 (I began at 47) and since then, I've started Yoseikan Budo (that allows groundwork, joint locks, chokes and even stick fighting). Guess why... My main focus is on Kyokushin, but I think it's a good thing to combine it with at least another martial art that goes in another direction, if possible, to widen perspectives.
Jai White is the real deal. He has several black belts. It is easy to criticize karate until you go to Japan or Okinawa and present that argument of ineffectiveness.
Raymone Phillips Michael Jai White? And you’re right, I’ve had to spar with people from Japan and people that have been doing karate since before I was alive, karate is the real deal
Holy shit that impersonation at the beginning was beautiful!
Check it out!
The amount of knowledge you don’t have about martial art styles is truly breathtaking.
Pretty sure I am more ignorant than most perhaps I should start offering belts to people who are willing to learn to be more ignorant