Uh Oh! We Get A Comeback!
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- Опубликовано: 27 мар 2024
- In a previous video several weeks ago • '15 Jeep Patriot - Cra... I had a look at this Jeep and supposedly "fix it." Well guess what. I was wrong and now it's in my lap again to find out what is really wrong with it.
-Enjoy!
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Comebacks are the real teacher. Hits you right in the pocketbook and the reputation--two things that mean ALL for a small shop. Fixin' and teaching Eric, you're doing a great service for all us who learn from it-professional and otherwise.
and it doesnt matter how good you are, every now and then, one is going to bite ya in the rear.
It won’t hit your reputation at all if you handle it properly. Even the best mechanics in the world get comebacks.
If you never had a comeback you're probably not producing.
@@gimmeaford9454 no doubt. Each time is an opportunity to shine (or not) by the way it is handled. Good shops, and good customers understand this.
The most common statement of vehicle mechanics. "Man I really hate cars!" lol
The same can be said of IT guys. But about computers.
I've said that more than 1 time lol. It's how it is . 🍺🍺
It’s always better when you repeat it. 😂😂😂
Same can be said of Appliance Techs.
Car mechanic and it guy are completely different. Unless your talking about a part changer
Awesome . To see an expert in his field admit he made a mistake is proof of an honest man. My hats off to you Mr. O You're that guy !
It must be satisfying to know that your customers trust you to repair a comeback fault, and not go to another shop instead.
Of course the customer comes back, the previous repair was guaranteed and thus the whole repair in this episode is free now (except of the 30 bucks relay).
Who paid the tow truck
@ mark, the OTHER shops are ALL bringing their difficult repairs to SMA 🇺🇸🗽🍶👌
@@pz6316The customer pays the tow truck. That's why warranties are called limited warranties, otherwise Eric would be paying the customer for lost wages, pain and suffering and punitive damages.
Enough to drive you crazy!
Amazing how Eric goes to the immense extra trouble of giving us clear camera views, and explanations, so we can follow this easily
That repair was totally legit. Another example of excellent diagnosis.
Absolutely! Intermittent electrical issues are a challenge, even for the best mechanics.
After working on computer for 60+ years, I can attest to the fact. Most people do not understand the frustration one feels when working on an intermittent. For me it started in 1963 and was still true 2 weeks ago. 😠 I'm hanging it up now at 80 years old. No more 'friends and family' repairs. Good luck to you. Enjoy your videos.
I guess I’ve got three years to go .
If you made some green crusty hunter t, T-shirts I would be down for one 😂 Another great sleuth hunting success.
SMA shirts with Crusty Green Huntin' Machine or with any of Eric's double entendre's or other funny asides during diagnosis would be awesome!
Yes!
The classic reach around
I just come here for the humor and hope a car gets fixed at the same time. 🤣🤣
"You know what we need to do with that one, (grabs relay)we need to set it over there" as he chucks it across the room...😆
That was great!
Another guy on RUclips yells “Pile!” as he does that.
Yeah just had to laughffff
I have used a 12 volt truck low air buzzer or piezo buzzer instead of a test light so I could move a harness or wiring when looking for opens and issues, while not having to watch a test light ,just listen for the beep while touching components. Great work once again Eric !!
Solid idea!
Awesome idea!
Yes M2!
Phew!!! BEAUTIFUL!!!
I've used a dab of gorilla glue at the crimp to hold the pins in place without issue of removing the relays on ATV boxes...
Been watching for years now. I turned this on and my 9 month old son smiles and watches it everytime now. Keep up the good work!
Start'em young!
@@Cybersawz Bullshit !
I had a feeling that jeep would be back ! Its a jeep thing ! 😝
don't insult real jeeps like that. :D
@@johnhufnagelThey are all made by Chrysler, doesn’t matter!
It’s an automobile thing
@@SteelheadTed Or even worse they're all FIATs!
Jeep yup junk they are
These are the best videos. My wife spit out her coffee when she heard BOB battery operated boyfriend. She’s still laughing. But these electrical problems are the best
Now that's a very solid, old-school diag done with no scan tool---love it
Man oh mam Eric just keeps digging till he gets that green gopher .
The older I get, the more I miss my ‘55 Chevy when I see stuff like that. Thankfully, the wife’s 2017 Volvo at 70,000 miles has been dead reliable and not reliably dead.
My dad taught me a lot in the ‘50’s and ‘60’s, but this “improved, complicated modern technology” would have driven him nuts…as it does me. I will never complain about ‘50 and ‘60 era, British, Lucas electric components again.
For someone who does his own maintenance, you’re an inspiration.
Just wanted to stop in here and say thank you for all your content. I used your GM truck guide to change the 5.3 in my Yukon. I watched all four videos and it really helped me. It started up without a hitch.
BOB = NOT "Battery Operated Boyfriend" 🤣
Which is your phone...😅😅😅
Does this mean then that an ATM= titless teller?
Gotta love the fact you made this video and not hid the fact that comebacks occasionally happen. Cars are a pain in the butt when it's internment problems .keep up the great videos and repairs
how about a comeback from the misuse of an improper tool that damaged and smashed other pricey parts that were nearly new (a mere 3 months old and cost +400$)
Have seen that happen, someone was testing out a power probe and pushed the button while on the wrong connector. OOPs.
"Recalls", as we call them in the appliance industry, is a sad fact of being a Tech...no matter how good you are. Sometimes junk is junk.
A man willing to admit and broadcast a comeback on RUclips for his fans. That shows Eric is the real deal. He’s a technician we all want to be. One of the best problem solver and logical thinking technician out there.
Most mechanics would keep throwing random parts at it until they bankrupted their client without ever arriving at a fix.
Troubleshooting is an art.
You are the man Eric I'm retired automotive mechanic I love your videos an diagnostic ❤
You are the man Eric I'm RETARDED automotive mechanic I love your videos an diagnostic
Had that exact same thing happen on my '08. Luckily, I guess, I had pulled the whole from clip off earlier looking to install fog lights. I had taken the cover off and pulled a relay looking for power sources, and the jeep quit, no crank, no start. Put it back together and it worked. A year or 2 later, when the exact same symptoms occurred, I remembered the relay box. Yep, corroded pin. What a stupid place to put an electrical component. When I had the clip off earlier, I noticed how much mud and dirt were stuck in the corners. Started a yearly routine of removing the front clip in the summer and washing out all the dirt and debris. Now if I had only known about Fluid Film then. Oh well. Thanks for the channel and the content. I'm about 45min from where you are and I can relate to the weather and vehicle conditions.
My daughter has a 2011 dodge caravan that does this. then when you jump it ( but only with a jump box) im assuming it sets the relay and it starts. at least now I have a place to start to check before we buy a TIPM. chrysler vehicles !!!!
I had an 08 Caliber that was the exact same issue. First problem was an intermittent mil with a cooling fan code. Several months later I finally found the relay box corrosion . This car was towed in with a no crank no start. Got off the ramp truck and started up. Damn. Super frustrating.
Electrical corrosion makes a lot of headaches for the owner and the mechanics who have to find the problem.
I would say most would never find that intermitten green crusty problem. Eric, you're a true pro!
Lol - 'Son of a frig hole'.
Just got to love the invented curse words Eric!
Now this was a great video.
Thanks for bringing us along!! You da man, Mr. O!
Eric's integrity shines through, embracing failure as an opportunity to teach and learn.
I wish Eric was in my town, I can't find good masters of mechanics that really know their work. Hats off to you Eric.
If you ever encounter something like this, keep the wire in place with RTV, it can be removed relatively easy, it's weatherproof, it holds good tension...:)
Rtv itself is corrosive
Ah…. The “take care of your wife “ reminder. Smart man.
I suspect that was Mrs. O's doing
She is a beautiful/ wonderful/ caring woman. Better take care of her as she does to him....of course nobody ever claimed Mr. O ignores his bride.
@@applianceman6194 He'd better, otherwise BOB might enter the picture... 🫢😁
I've used hot glue to hold pins in place
Yep, me too. Works great.
I like this.
Yep, especially the black version used on dent pull tabs. Seems to stick to the plastic better.
Don't beat urself up, Eric. The green weenies are the devil.
You saved the customer some money on a NEW box and a big headache wirin all that back together AND did the nice thing by leavin a note for any future folks who might be pokin around down there.
AND... this was a TOTALLY proper way to go about the repair in this particular situation.
Keep em comin and HAPPY EASTER to you and Mrs. O. 👍😎
Noticed the note on the wall: “take care of my wife”.
Nothing like a cup of coffee a donut and an SMA video at 6:00 am in the morning.
This year is my 56th year in the electrical game and I can tell you that an intermittent fault is any technicians nightmare.
As an electrician I can't tell you how many houses I've walked into only knowing that x, y or z quit working. First I start identifying circuits then I remove the closest outlets, switches and light fixtures until I find where the circuit is broken. Usually it's a wire nut that's either fallen off, burned up from excessive loading or wires installed incorrectly. It takes a lot of TIME and PATIENCE then...you're the hero for fixing it...until the bill.
The clipboard returns! I was worried Mrs O grabbed it. 😊 Thanks for the video!
That seems pretty clean for a 2015 in upstate New York! Don't worry about it too much, you got it fixed now. I feel like that design is built to fail, with jumpers between relays though. I always like your explanation of the fault, the diagnosis, and the repair.
probly wash it all the time like my bronco sport bene 2 winters and the only real rust starting is on the muffler i try to wash it alot tho
Eric April fools are still a few days away 😅
Great job 👍
Several years ago I pulled a front tire and fender liner and worked on corroded wires on my wife's 2012 Patriot. Then a couple years ago it cost me $3000 to have the rotted whole rear end replaced. Then a year after that the shiftless transmission died. We've had two Jeeps. No more.
Damn you like sticking your finger in the power socket doing it twice to prove it kicks?
Me too. I'm from the UK, and now I've had a Jeep, I definitely won't be having another one 😅
When the average customer watches what you went through, they should be impressed and thankful.
The amazing thing is that your customer can pull up a video to see what you did.
I remember several years ago Eric was interviewed by a local news publication where he lives. He said, "We've all done dumb things. If someone hasn't done dumb things they haven't done anything at all." It really is refreshing to see him make a mistake every once and a while. GREAT VIDEO!
Hi Eric, I hope the owner of this vehicle is watching, you just went way Above and beyond for them and did an outstanding job for them! You should be proud of yourself Eric! Its no wonder you have people coming out of the woodwork to get to your shop and have the job done right! Good Man!
Great video Eric, we all get a boomerang job every now and then it's par for the course, At least you admitted it and you recorded the fix, not many you-tube channels would have been so honest, all the best from the UK 👍
Even as a comeback, I'd gladly pay you for that exact repair. That harness will probably last longer than the undercarriage.
Watching your videos helped me diagnose the faulty trailer wiring on my step dad’s 03 Chevy truck. It was actually “just a fuse” which is the mechanics dream job.
This is exactly why your customers come back to SMA!! You Take care of them as it should be. As the Old saying goes, if you don't take care of your customers..... Someone Else Will!!!! Nicely done EO. Probably will take this HEEP right to the JUNK PILE, If the FRAME don't ROT beforehand! 🤷♂...
As an Electrical Engineer and former Electronics Tech, I always say "intermittent failures are the bane of my existence". But, I learn something every time I find and correct one. Keep up the good work, Mr. O. Your troubleshooting skills never fail to impress.
Hey I’m wondering would corrosion cause an intermittent misfire only when the engine is warm? Found corrosion on the terminals connecting to the coil from the ignition module of an older distributor setup and hoping that’s the source of my issue
@@mrsemifixit I am not a mechanic, but in my opinion, it's possible. When things get warm, they expand, and I have seen that cause issues. The clock in my 2005 Corolla would only display the time when it was cold (under 25 degrees F) outside. Using freeze spray, I was able to isolate it to a thermally intermittent diode. I replaced the diode, and it has worked ever since. The corrosion would cause a poor connection, and if it expands, it could make the connection worse. I will leave the rest up to this more experienced in ignition system diagnosis.
I used to have so much trouble understanding those wireing diagrams. But after watching your videos, it all makes sense now. Thank you
The tech school says join the exciting world of vehicle maintenance. 🤣
The pain, the shame, the comeback! Good video!
Love how you admit you made a mistake. Takes a real man in this day and time. You are a great teacher! Hope the family is well.
No he admitted to being wrong. His task was to repair the car. He sent it out running. No mistakes were made he just couldn't finish his diagnosis last time because the vehicle fixed itself.
The original video of yours was the only one I can remember where you really didn't have a good explanation or hypothesis for the fault. I remember it frustrating me that the video made it seem like it just magically fixed itself. Thanks for following up and closing the loop. Best mechanic on the RUclips!
Another repair option could have been to open up the case a bit more so the female blade terminal slipped completely through. Then splice the 2 existing jumper wires to a 6" piece of new wire. Pass that up and through the block and connect to the relay terminal before you install the relay in the block. Then feed the wire back down through the block and install the relay. That way, if someone does pull the relay in the future, the terminal attached to pin 1 comes out with it and they recognize that special care is needed.
The way that engine is rapping your repair will long outlast the vehicle.😂
Great Video ! Use Ge Clear Silicone 2 for a Less permanent cavity filler than 5 minute epoxy. turns to Clear hard rubber. still holds. but can be picked out & removed. where 5 min epoxy is permanent. i think you will like it. Great sealer to keep the green crustys away & Hold stuff in place. Ge clear silicone 2 can be had at home depot paint section. Clear = Hard clear rubber. Black & White much softer. Great video !
When it comes to epoxy-based relay/fusebox repairs, I was taught to lightly grease the terminals, then plug them in to maintain the correct pin location. Then just turn the box over and glop in the epoxy. It'll hold the connector in the box, but the grease prevents it from messing with the relay or fuse, so they're still replaceable.
Outstanding video, Eric! I fought a similar problem on one of our multi million dollar air defence systems. The green crusties mixed with fan blown dust was packed between two relay pins. Depending on humidity, the relay appeared engaged even when not commanded. replacing the relay was a non-fix. The sun came out later in the day and all is well! Next morning with the dew point up and now she's broke again. I fought that bugger for dang near two weeks.
I really like your attention to detail, and your concern for others that may work on a vehicle after you!
Thanks for showing us the ones that didn’t work out as well. Much respect for your talent and your character.
Things that fix themselves during troubleshooting are the hardest problems to determine root cause. The last part of my career was teaching heavy truck mechanics how to troubleshoot electrical systems. The hands-on portion of the class involved the instructor "bugging" a vehicle and the students attempting to troubleshoot the problem. One of our instructors was working on an intermittient bug on an electronic circuit. He was using a variable resistor dialed in to get a circuit to just barely work. The problem was that the bug itself was intermittent. Once you got it dialed in perfectly and gave the vehicle to the students, the circuit always worked perfectly. There was no way for the students to verify the problem.
You have a great deal of patience and excellent knowledge of troubleshooting
Not bashing here. Your technique is a good solution. You hit on my idea, which is is jump that one relay out of the box, and hang it somewhere close by with a proper universal relay mount and connector. It would have been a little less money for parts than the OE. Every tech has their own ideas and solutions. I'm just happy to see an honest man showing the world how to actually do this type of work. I have learned a lot watching your videos which is making me better at diagnosing electrical issues and in turn a better tech. I wish this had been around in the 1990s when I was getting paid for auto work. We were taught mostly mechanical and very little electrical. Of course, vehicles weren't as advanced back then. Keep the videos coming. I enjoy watching your process and learning.
Love the videos, Eric. Keep them coming, your diagnostic skills are second to none! But I laughed so hard when you said “ man, I really freaking hate cars… “
You are a very competent and ethical tech. It's especially beneficial for learning when you discuss our thoughts as you do the troubleshooting. I also admire you lack of swear words as you do each step and the car tries to bite you. I'm also non-plussed by the Chrysler engineering staff that located that junction box so low where it can be so easily exposed to weather.
You're a good man Eric, how many guys would show a comeback like this? Really helps out the average Joe!
My stepdad has an 07 Sebring, been trying to get them to dump it, it has so many electrical problems mainly leaving them stranded. Had the best mechanic we could find take the fuse boxes apart and they were completely corroded and he spent a lot of hours cleaning and soldering and it's still crap. Only 62k miles garage kept and babied. Thank God they finally threw in the towel and I'm gonna find them a little Toyota. And we live in SW Virginia, very little salt on the roads.
An older Camry or Corolla are good vehicles.
You're a great guy, Eric. I have said it before but No One in my area has half the conscience that you do. Sadly. It's made me do as much of my own work that I can, and I'm now too old to be rolling around on the pavement fixing things. :(
I'd have run the wires for that relay to a separate relay socket and zip-tied it to the fuse box. That way, anybody who works on it in the future could easily replace the relay and not lose the contact.
You may already know this but there is a company that makes and stocks all kinds of electrical connectors for several different vendors. Used them on several hot rod projects where I've integrated modern drivetrains into classic cars. They have both the new and old wiring stuff. They are known as Customconnectorkits. They carry GM, Ford, and Mopar stuff. Pins, connectors, etc etc. They have kits of just connectors/pins. Alot of vendors use Delphi/Aptiv connectors anymore. When I added a factory backup camera to my 2015 Ram I found it used Delphi/Aptiv pins on the main fuse block. Hope this helps.
Edit: Freaking RUclips keeps knocking the URL off my reply grr....
thanks, yes "word of mouth" is inhibited by google's need to make more money on advertising.
Eric
Great job!!
What pain 😅😮
Greg from Minnesota
A whole lot of patience good tools and electrical diagrams . GOOD JOB!
I sprayed fluid film all over the 120v AC control board in my pool chlorinator just to stop any corrosion that was on it. I covered the whole circuit board in it and reinstalled it wet. That was last spring and it ran like that all summer long with the control board soaked in fluid film so I would say that fluid film is definately not conductive in any way if it can handle house AC and not mess with the microcontroller on that board. It was completely soaked in fluid film too. I basically used it as conformal coating.
A few zaps with your small tip solderng iron could of tightened it up--- so glad you thought of it. Mr, Magoo Milo, Maine PTL
Wish we had a mechanic like you where I live nice job
Always great to watch you logically with through an issue.
Always learning from you,Thank you
This was a great lesson to learn. Thanks Eric
Had a car decades ago doing this same thing. I was stumped. Took it to a auto electrical shop. They found a loose ground. Guy apologized 20 times for having to charge me a couple hours labor to find it. I would have oaid him more. It had me stumped for a long time. Back then labor was much less than now. Don't think he charged me $100. Never had the issue again
Sometimes using a buzzer instead of a test lamp can be advantageous when you are diagnosing a component at the other end of the vehicle.
Man no matter what may ever come back , you are good at what you do . for sure
we all make mistakes or miss something in life, all good! Thanks for having a video that shows us this, you are real.
WOW!!! I am so glad we don’t have to deal with corrosion like that here in Florida… we just have alligators and hurricanes 🤣🤣🤣
Fluid Film, like the lady in the hot sauce commercial says, “I put that sh*t on everything”.
😂
I struggle so much learning electric but your recent videos have been helping me quite a bit! Thank you so much 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
Thanks for the video Eric.
Good job Eric hopefully your customer understands that electrical is not always one direct it's just too bad that you live in a climate that makes problems
when you raised it on the lift, the body, suspension and everything else flexed, including the problem part.
I hate when things fix themselves, even temporarily. lol
Not only is that community upstate lucky to have you but all of us on the internet who learn from these videos . It’s tough to work on all models and be able to do it successfully like your shop . So much respect for people like you . There’s no life lines when it’s your shop like working at a dealer where a job might have a Foreman etc . SMA top notch
8:40 …looking back it’s still a bit fuzzy! Thanks for sharing this video of a comeback! Have a good day fellow viewers!
It happens
The man is a genius. Wish we had people with this work ethic were we live.
That is the problem not enough real mechanics anymore & it is only going to get worse with these damn EVs no one is getting trained to fix that garbage.
Another fine repair there Eric. The love note for any future tech just proves your a professional.
Nice find, Must feel great knowing you found and repaired the issue
When you mused that the fan came on while applying power to the main relay and wondered if that was a clue - yes, it was. You were back feeding the power through the daisy chain to the fan relays, which implied that the power feed in to the radiator fan low high relay was where the circuit was open (pin A 1). Makes perfect sense - in retrospect - lol.
You definitely narrowed that right down Good job. Love the video.
Much respect for an honorable man. Mr O, the model of intelligence and integrity. Keep on rocking brother.
Yay! Great job.
Absolutely fantastic Eric 0 👍🏻🏴