Tbh everyone crashes with too much power Hamilton too crashed in his Zonda and dude is a 7 time world champion.... physics don't give a shit how good you are.
@@Davidoslikesbeans when did I laugh? the only time I laugh is your reply, plus if it’s “not funny” people still have different taste in the word “funny”
@@StevenSeagull6969 Ah, upon further reflection I suppose power steering and power brakes could be what the poster meant. I was thinking of it from today's world of traction control and stability control etc etc.
A person who really likes to drive fast cars is more likely to buy an old Porsche. A person who is looking for a status symbol is more likely to buy a Ferrari
@@chriswheeler6092Nonsense, Porsche is more stable in value than Ferrari nowadays. Porsche offers everything, whether for the collector or the fast driver.
Yeah anyone who actually believes an old porsche drives really well is in for a big surprise a 986 boxster drives 100x better than any old 911 it's just finance guys and car collectors that say the driving feel is why these cars costs that much but 130 hp can only be so fun
@@mexicaninjafredfred driven both. Had a 1979 911 SC (gold..admittedly not a great color)…my neighbor bought a 1998 Boxter…and I’m sorry but my 911 was still a much better car. With that said..once Porsche came out with the Boxter “S”..that was a different gig. I think most people can argue quite handily, that the 911 and the Boxter S are effectively the same car. Very little difference if any…except the Boxter doesn’t try to kill you going into corners with some speed at your back.
I can’t state with 100% accuracy…but I would be absolutely stunned if I saw a 70’s or 80’s 930 automatic. I would actually say the same for 911’s now that we’re at it. It feels like it wasn’t until the 90’s that someone stuck a tiptromatic in one. (That’s not to say that 928’’s and perhaps even 944’s..968’s didn’t have tiptromatics as some surely did)..but I cant see any of the air cooled models had them and almost certainly not the 930’s…
The only 930's that were problematic (to inexperienced drivers) were really the early ones, especially those built between 1975-1976. They had ridiculous turbo lag. After that, they re-engineered the motor and turbo setup and got rid of the problem with having so much turbo lag. I've been building and racing them since the very early '80's, and ever since then, especially with the addition of ECU's, they've been very wicked, easily modifiable, drivable monsters. It's just like he kept saying in the video, the "Widow maker" nickname came about due to all of the inexperienced drivers that didn't know how to drive, or manage the power band due to the turbo lag, and had no business driving those early 930's, let alone racing around on the streets (where pretty much all of the fatal collisions occurred) in a car that was way beyond their driving skills. This was the reason for so many inexperienced drivers tragically ending up suffering fatal consequences.
930 series is a bunch of updates which came in at the time of the Turbo so you'll also find "930.26" is the 3.2 naturally aspirated engine of the time. The term G series just conveniently blurs the terms 915 into 930...
@@robertcorbishley1712 I have no idea why you are talking about the 915. But the name of the engine doesn't have anything to do with the name of the car, technically only 1974 cars are called G-Modell. The 930 is the special designation reserved for the Turbo. The other models were just called 911 Carrera/SC ( G,J,K,A,B... as internal references like the G-Modell.)
While I fully understand that folks call the car a 930 Turbo, you can also buy a car with a 930 3.2. The 1984 Porsche 911 parts catalogue lists the car as 911 Turbo coupe, with the 930.66 ( or 68) engine... ( the car is never named 930 Turbo) but right next to it in the table you can see Carerra models also have 930 engines ( .21 or .26). Any other updates made for the Turbo cars in 1984 have 930 part numbers so G series cars whether Turbo or Carrera are filled with a mix of 911, 915, 930 prefix parts. I'm not making this up. 10 years ago I bought a 3.2 engine (marked 930.26) and it came with its 915 gearbox. I do design engines for a living and I do retro 911 upgrades so I'm literally surrounded by books and junk.
@@robertcorbishley1712 Perhaps you misunderstood, I am not talking about the engine name. I am talking about the car. I know the 930.** Engines exist. The car is still not called a 930.
@@grzes-me9rg it absolutely is - namely for the first 911 TURBO 😉 and nothing else. There is no 930 without a turbo. The "930" without turbo is mostly called G-model.
I drove one to work often from Elmhurst Illinois to Evanston for my blue-collar job with AT&T. I had a euro-spec version, which I gutted (only one seat, etc) It was rock solid, never behaved poorly. Always creeped up to 90 mph, pretty much on it’s own, and that’s where it wanted to cruise. Needed correct tires for the air temp and wet / dry. Needed a 5-speed. Needed better fuel injection. Only lost it once, summer tires on a very dry, dark and cold, 12°F morning on Illionis tollway 294 at maybe 80 mph through a toll booth. I thought the gate was up, it wasn’t, hit the brakes really hard, skidded, shot out of the toll plaza sideways, super easy recovery. But I did learn to drive in aircooled rear engine VW’s and a dune buggy, so…
Nowhere near as bad as the original factory 917 race car. Contracted Porsche race drivers avoided testing it as far as possible. Privateer owners were still able to buy the death trap. One died on the first lap of the Le Mans 24 Hours. Eventually Porsche aerodynaminists introduced the short tailed K version. It was a legendary positive change.
It's not that simple. "The" 911 was the original model and after that every descending model has a different (usually bigger) type number but they were all marketed under the name 911 for recognition. That's why there is a lot of 9xx which all 911s from different years with or without a turbo. Another interesting fact that the 911 were originally intended to be 901 but they had to rename it because Peugeot already has trademarked all 3 digit numbers with 0 in the middle. Fun fact that later they trademarked all 4 digit numbers with 00 in the middle. :D
Do you remember when they raced Porsche 911 Carreras in the inaugural IROC (international race of champions) ABC Television race series of the 1970s? I remember several drivers at the Riverside Raceway, CA event (now closed) lost their rears and spun-out at turn 9 throughout that race.
I really like the drop the rear than catch it driving style of it. To be fair, you have to abuse that trailbrake oversteer with the Porsches, otherwise they are understeery and slow at corners.
*Peter Brock was a very skilled Australian Racecar driver who had all the skills and was racing in the Targa Tasmania race in a Giacolotta with a converted rear mounted LS1 V8 engine. He lost control and he wasn't even going that fast on a slippery ,mossy, wet road,but his driver's door slammed straight into a huge Gum Tree which Bananared the car around it, and sending Peter Brock to heaven.😢 He had more brains and driving skills than Money, but sometimes shit happens and even Peter "Perfect" as they called him lost control and still went to heaven. When it happened,he was alot older, so I think his reflexes weren't as sharp as they used to be,which I think was the cause for his death. He either didn't catch the oversteer, or he oversteered to much himself. His co driver was sitting next to him on his left and only suffered minor injuries. The car had a full race roll cage and 6 point harness racing seat, but hard impact on your drivers door, you don't stand much of a chance. Its just too much trauma for the human body to handle. RIP Peter Brock.*
I had a 1988 930 cabriolet from 1995 through 2021. A good friend and I did ‘intelligent’ mods to it increasing the stock 288 hp to just over 400… At over 5000’ above sea level it was still a sub 4 sec 0-100km/hr automobile. It was bulletproof. I drove it hard on mountain roads.., never ‘lost it’ on a curve, and never went off the road. I was a little bit smart, and super lucky, as I’ve had no formal training in high performance driving. Anyway, I’ve had quite a few friends with mid 80’s 911’s, and some with 930’s and 964 turbos. None wrecked, and none died, and all drove the shit (as one should..!) out of their cars…
I had one of these in 1978, it was a 1976 and it almost killed me several times. The car was uncontrollable before you even had a clue. As a kid growing up I drove midgets, flat track, desert and raced at Lion's Drag strip so I had some experience.
They fail to understand 0-60 in 5.4 seconds with vague power steering aggressive brakes yes they were powerful 917 derived brakes but they would lock up, tires that were capable of going off....p7s were good but compared to todays tires.
It’s not the horse power or turbo lag that makes them straight up killers, it’s the rpm range of when those 2 finally come together and make peak hp and torque simultaneously… kiss of death if you are not ready for it.
@@nygelmiller5293 well, i owned a Ruf ctr for a few years and survived. For those, who didnt drive an old 911turbo yet....first comes torque(3500-4500), later the power (5000+..)
Get your Porsches strait. You showed the WRONG Porsche at the beginning. The black car is the Porsche Carrera GT. It is a bit wild but not the same as the car shown later. The air cooled 911's really need to be driven like a front wheel drive car. You always Brake before the corner in a straight line, and then gas it through the corner.
He also says "then they turbo'd the 930" as if there was ever a non turbo 930. He should have said turbo'd the 911. Lots of incorrect clips in the video as well.
I started loving Porsche because of the 930 Turbo, especially after that awesome chase scene from the movie "No Man's Land" 1987, i was a teenager when i saw it and it stuck with me!
I had a ‘72 911 T and a ‘82 SC, it doesn’t matter if you lift off the throttle, once the tires lose traction, you’re coming around. Now my Tesla M3 that’s a whole different story, amazing what all that low placed weight can do for turn-in and tossability at high speed.
@@TheLemon333 People were crashing everywhere. In, within and out. You might think you're all set by accelerating out of the corner when suddenly your RPMs get to the power band, the turbo spools and in an instant you're pushing double the horsepower and are in deep trouble.
It only ever got away from people because the engine torqued under power keeping the car stable, as soon as the power decreased the weight balance shifted causing the rear end to swap ends of direction travel.
Shorts & TikTok ruined Crystal Castles for me. Can't share the music with anyone without them saying its that edgy track from TikTok. It's not even played right, they keep slowing it down like it wasn't a good track to begin with...
Not turbo lag in this case. It was a high boost threshold. The Lotus Esprit also had a high boost threshold. It gave almost no power until the revs were over 3000, but at any time the engine was over 3000 rpm, there was no turbo lag and the boost was instantaneous. A frequently misunderstood difference.
No car gave me a hard on in 1980 than a Lotus Esprit Turbo,full bodykit,black decals and tidy alloy wheels. That car looked like a wet dream 44 years ago. Never drove one,maybe just as well.
AFAIK it's true. 930, then 934, then 935. Yes there were 935 homologation specials, and those were equally deadly. But the 930 is distinct and earlier than 935
@@B0BHD I don't care where you live. The information is incorrect. Why? I think I would know, I've been working for Porsche for 6 years in Weissach and worked at Zuffenhausen for 2 years before that. My father was also and avid collector and had both these cars. I could tell you that information is incorrect when I was 10 years old. Brush up on your history kid.
Correction: Porsche did not turbocharge their “regular 930 model”. They turbocharged their 911 model, and the turbocharged version is the 930 model (marketed as “911 Turbo”). There is no such thing as a non-turbo 930.
I bought a 77 911 in 1978. First car I had to learn to drive; adding over a 100#'s to the extreme nose, inside the front boot helped. About 6 yrs later, an old friend of mine came by my shop for a visit. During conversation, it came up his sister was buying a 911 Turbo. Not knowing his sis, I asked her driving back; nothing to speak of. I implored him to convince his sister to let me come up to her place, (200+ miles away), & teach her how to drive her new toy. No cost to her, I was doing out of an instant fear I had for my friend losing his only sibling & relative. The date was set, just under 3 wks away. Her car was still 2 wks away; I thought she could be cautious for a week. Three days after taking possession of the car, she swapped ends in it & was killed at the scene. Took a long time to get over that one. Broke my good friend's heart.
Dennis, Wasn't ur fault ,I'm a retired Substance Abuse Counselor. A man can Give advise but once someone doesn't understand & ego takes over Sometimes it's Fatal unfortunately. In powerful cars & with drugs ,folks will rationalize. They wouldn't sell them if they were were dangerous,I can't wait,it's my car I'm just going around the block,I'm a great driver ect. adnauseum
@@RobertErcolani-mg7cl Fortunately, I never blamed myself. If I hadn't spoke up, offered my help, I would likely have felt some guilt. In spite of me not feeling blame, it still was painful; to know you may well have prevented someone's death, especially someone important to a good friend, leaves a person feeling hollow for what might have been, frustrated by someone not taking a warning seriously & anguish at seeing a friend suffer a devastating loss. Thanks for your words of encouragement. GeoD
Don't feel too bad, I also told a 20 some year old guy to please Stop drinking and driving while he was working on His truck in my shop, Not even a month later He was a Passenger in his friends Car, Of course the kid behind the wheel was drunk driving, This kid had a police officer just drive by them not even chasing this Car he of course hit a tree down the road killing this passenger instantly, I guess I failed to mention> Never get in a Vehicle with a Drunk driver.
@@raymondreiff8170 In my 70 years of seeing drunk driving kill people, it's overwhelmingly the passengers who are killed most often. Always figured the post 50/60's steering wheel improvements gave just enough protection to drivers vs passengers, cause seat belts are seldom a factor in drunk driving deaths. If they are used, then it's a bad enough crash, the driver bites it, too.
I was a passenger in one in 1988. It had been raining, the road greasy. The driver was both experienced and sensible. He was breaking and slowing down as we approached a roundabout. He changed down, I think from 3rd to 2nd, but it could have been 4th to 3rd. Either way the turbo kicked in, the rear end span into a post office van, which was acomplete mess. The 911 had a few scuff marks on the spoiler and a small dent in the back wing. Really dangerous car, the other thing is you could feel the front end coming up as the car got faster. Quite disconcerting as a passenger as front end grip dissipated!
The best handling cars money can buy. I've had 6 911 Porsches and it takes a real dumbass to crash one. The 930 was infact called the "widowmaker" in the 80's and early 90's because it was very fast for its time and some were crashed. I think Mustangs/Camaros and Challengers have long since taken that title away from Porsches for both deaths and crashes.
Although, Mustangs, Camaros, and Challenger/Chargers are actually affordable. That's why they are so noticeable. I can drive more than a week and not see an exotic car. However, I can't breathe without seeing a "pony car".
Hey man i like them. Im half deaf and either always in loud places where i wont hear the video regardless or in a place where its inappropriate to blast random videos.
I had one back in the 80s and didn’t keep it that long,It was an awesome looking car and obviously plenty of power but the Turbo Lag made it so unpredictable and really kinda ruined the whole driving experience…..
I have first hand experience of how vicious a 930 can be. I was a 22 year old fool that thought they were a racing driver or sth. The car was my father's and I took the keys without him knowing and pushed my luck. I thank God to this day that He was on my side that fateful day and I came out without even a scratch. I have a 2.7RS that has far better handling, but in anycase I've learned to respect those old school monsters. Took racing lessons in various tracks, but still only like 5% of gifted (or maybe crazy?) drivers can actually drive old-school 911s to their limits
@@kkapalleSpeed limit is 75 / 85 (state-dependent) just as it is on most of the Autobahn, d u m b a s s. You couldn't even spell "American" correctly. Flunked Gymnasium, did you?
😂Itwas just called the widow maker in the US. The average american driver, used to a 55mph-limit and a lot of straight roads, is not that experienced. So it came to some accidents, especially, when rich parents bought their high school-kids cars like that as a present to their 16th birthday. This was a serious and successful sportscar in its era.
according to Doug DeMuro the real issue was massive turbo lag. the delayed power delivery from the turbo kicked in when many driver's did not expect it.
In 1978 my father bought a new Porsche 930 turbo and immediately knew it was a “handful”. On the day he went to pick up the car from the dealer it rained hard all day, and coming back home he took the same corner he always near our house, was going about 15 mph, and the car immediately spun in circles before he had a chance to correct it. After that day he only drove the car on dry days, and even then he didn’t speed. He kept the car for 6 months and it really annoyed him that he couldn’t drive the car fast, which was the main reason he bought it. He bought a new Porsche 928 afterwards, a car with excellent and easily controlled handling, it was also made really well and lasted 327,000 miles. Porsche has gotten rid of the handling problems of its rear engined car years ago.
Friend of mine ( wealthy) had / has a ton of nice cars , some vintage , some new .. I drove his Porsche 911 convertible… and an early model Mercedes … the only car he wouldn’t let anyone else drive was / is the Porsche pearl white 930 S turbo .. he said no that one will hurt you .
Let's Not forget the Red Carrera GT that killed Paul Walker on that fateful day when he was just going for a ride with his friend, a professional driver in l. A in an area where there was no traffic and nothing but closed. Office buildings and an infamous turn
To be honest, the car’s only hard to drive if you’re redlining it. Early turbos didn’t really kick on until the high rpm range. But when it does kick in, it’s pretty goddamn scary.
Had more money than driving skills had me😂😅
Lolololol right
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Seems to be a common combination.
Tbh everyone crashes with too much power Hamilton too crashed in his Zonda and dude is a 7 time world champion.... physics don't give a shit how good you are.
Too much money not enough brain💀
people actually called them that why you laughing
@@Davidoslikesbeans what? Read the comment carefully I only said that it’s wild💀💀💀
@@Heartfromsomewhere yeah but you are laughing while it aint funny?
@@Davidoslikesbeans when did I laugh? the only time I laugh is your reply, plus if it’s “not funny” people still have different taste in the word “funny”
@@Heartfromsomewhere dude 💀😭 is literally laughing
You know what other cars back then had a "lack of driver assist"? All of them.
You don't have any idea what you're talking about.
@@StevenSeagull6969 Ah, upon further reflection I suppose power steering and power brakes could be what the poster meant. I was thinking of it from today's world of traction control and stability control etc etc.
@@theundergroundlairofthesqu9261no thats still not what the video is mainly talking about
The narrator meant "assistance", I assume. ....
@@couttsy222 no shit.
Aggressive turbo lag sent them to heaven lol
Then RUF made the CTR Yellowbird and made it even deadlier 💀
Saw that of Cars of Northern Virginia
Ikr😂❤
This
The CTR was built on a carrera due to it being lighter, it was also twin turboed instead of a single turbine in the 930
@@mastermango1792cool story nobody was building anything on the 930 in the 90s LOL
Old 911 turbos with manual are gold
A person who really likes to drive fast cars is more likely to buy an old Porsche. A person who is looking for a status symbol is more likely to buy a Ferrari
@@chriswheeler6092Nonsense, Porsche is more stable in value than Ferrari nowadays. Porsche offers everything, whether for the collector or the fast driver.
Yeah anyone who actually believes an old porsche drives really well is in for a big surprise a 986 boxster drives 100x better than any old 911 it's just finance guys and car collectors that say the driving feel is why these cars costs that much but 130 hp can only be so fun
@@mexicaninjafredfred driven both. Had a 1979 911 SC (gold..admittedly not a great color)…my neighbor bought a 1998 Boxter…and I’m sorry but my 911 was still a much better car. With that said..once Porsche came out with the Boxter “S”..that was a different gig. I think most people can argue quite handily, that the 911 and the Boxter S are effectively the same car. Very little difference if any…except the Boxter doesn’t try to kill you going into corners with some speed at your back.
I can’t state with 100% accuracy…but I would be absolutely stunned if I saw a 70’s or 80’s 930 automatic. I would actually say the same for 911’s now that we’re at it. It feels like it wasn’t until the 90’s that someone stuck a tiptromatic in one. (That’s not to say that 928’’s and perhaps even 944’s..968’s didn’t have tiptromatics as some surely did)..but I cant see any of the air cooled models had them and almost certainly not the 930’s…
Car issue ❌
Skill issue ✅
These cars are INSANE to drive...
Fools with tools
@marcuslang6153 the 58 viper revamping in the 70s was the craziest car i have ever tried. Never been in this porche tho but it sounds nuts 😂
That Porsche with so much power and not enough down force to keep it from sliding is an easy one way ticket to the heavens.
The only 930's that were problematic (to inexperienced drivers) were really the early ones, especially those built between 1975-1976. They had ridiculous turbo lag. After that, they re-engineered the motor and turbo setup and got rid of the problem with having so much turbo lag. I've been building and racing them since the very early '80's, and ever since then, especially with the addition of ECU's, they've been very wicked, easily modifiable, drivable monsters. It's just like he kept saying in the video, the "Widow maker" nickname came about due to all of the inexperienced drivers that didn't know how to drive, or manage the power band due to the turbo lag, and had no business driving those early 930's, let alone racing around on the streets (where pretty much all of the fatal collisions occurred) in a car that was way beyond their driving skills. This was the reason for so many inexperienced drivers tragically ending up suffering fatal consequences.
@@1INAMILLIONSICILIAN interesting, thx for sharing
"Sent many unexperienced drivers to heaven"😂😂😂
he cant run out of words i guess💀
some may have went in the other direction 💀😈🔥
It's a German car, made for German drivers who can drive
Why are you laughing at people's deaths😢
@@jodiebarker4077 what? theres no way people will stop doing this. you cant easily stop someone from doing things in the internet.
You know that the 930 is the specific model designation for the Turbo right? So the non turbo 911s from that era are not 930s but called G Model
930 series is a bunch of updates which came in at the time of the Turbo so you'll also find "930.26" is the 3.2 naturally aspirated engine of the time. The term G series just conveniently blurs the terms 915 into 930...
@@robertcorbishley1712 I have no idea why you are talking about the 915. But the name of the engine doesn't have anything to do with the name of the car, technically only 1974 cars are called G-Modell. The 930 is the special designation reserved for the Turbo. The other models were just called 911 Carrera/SC ( G,J,K,A,B... as internal references like the G-Modell.)
While I fully understand that folks call the car a 930 Turbo, you can also buy a car with a 930 3.2. The 1984 Porsche 911 parts catalogue lists the car as 911 Turbo coupe, with the 930.66 ( or 68) engine... ( the car is never named 930 Turbo) but right next to it in the table you can see Carerra models also have 930 engines ( .21 or .26). Any other updates made for the Turbo cars in 1984 have 930 part numbers so G series cars whether Turbo or Carrera are filled with a mix of 911, 915, 930 prefix parts. I'm not making this up. 10 years ago I bought a 3.2 engine (marked 930.26) and it came with its 915 gearbox. I do design engines for a living and I do retro 911 upgrades so I'm literally surrounded by books and junk.
@@robertcorbishley1712 Perhaps you misunderstood, I am not talking about the engine name. I am talking about the car. I know the 930.** Engines exist. The car is still not called a 930.
@@ImNotHere4750 sorry! Fully agree there!!
There is no 930 without turbo at all, guys. It is called 911. Nine eleven.
Exactly
Yup. Who would have thought it, someone making YT videos with no clue😂
You are 100% correct and I came on here to make same comment but you had beaten me to it.
You don't know anything about cars. IT IS A GENERATION CODE
@@grzes-me9rg it absolutely is - namely for the first 911 TURBO 😉 and nothing else. There is no 930 without a turbo. The "930" without turbo is mostly called G-model.
I drove one to work often from Elmhurst Illinois to Evanston for my blue-collar job with AT&T. I had a euro-spec version, which I gutted (only one seat, etc) It was rock solid, never behaved poorly. Always creeped up to 90 mph, pretty much on it’s own, and that’s where it wanted to cruise. Needed correct tires for the air temp and wet / dry. Needed a 5-speed. Needed better fuel injection. Only lost it once, summer tires on a very dry, dark and cold, 12°F morning on Illionis tollway 294 at maybe 80 mph through a toll booth. I thought the gate was up, it wasn’t, hit the brakes really hard, skidded, shot out of the toll plaza sideways, super easy recovery. But I did learn to drive in aircooled rear engine VW’s and a dune buggy, so…
Nowhere near as bad as the original factory 917 race car. Contracted Porsche race drivers avoided testing it as far as possible. Privateer owners were still able to buy the death trap. One died on the first lap of the Le Mans 24 Hours. Eventually Porsche aerodynaminists introduced the short tailed K version. It was a legendary positive change.
Yes, beetle had the same oversteer type...harder to catch with less power!
Wow, you must be only one of three people that has ever mastered the skills required to drive a rear engine car!
Wassup neighbor I from.evanston Illinois I always did like those Porsche from when I was a small kid in the 90s at least it was a good recovery
Fritz don't be a sourkraut life is not worth living without a little oversteer ya!
930 automatically means it is a 911 with a turbo.
today it’s called the GT2 RS
It's not that simple. "The" 911 was the original model and after that every descending model has a different (usually bigger) type number but they were all marketed under the name 911 for recognition. That's why there is a lot of 9xx which all 911s from different years with or without a turbo.
Another interesting fact that the 911 were originally intended to be 901 but they had to rename it because Peugeot already has trademarked all 3 digit numbers with 0 in the middle. Fun fact that later they trademarked all 4 digit numbers with 00 in the middle. :D
The non turbo was the 915.
@@nrw34260no it is not. 915 is the factory designation of the Porsche transmission unit which 911s up to the late 80s 911 Carreras were equipped with.
Added the turbo to the regular 930- that’s tells us all we need to know about the Porsche ‘expert’ that wrote this garbage.
Back in 87 I drove a 78 turbo at Road Atlanta on track day,my uncle warned me and it was a handful 😊
What a lovely combo!
Lift off overstear is a common thing based on physics of the engine in the back. If you know how to use it in your favor, its class!
If you don’t; it’s your ass.
Do you remember when they raced Porsche 911 Carreras in the inaugural IROC (international race of champions) ABC Television race series of the 1970s? I remember several drivers at the Riverside Raceway, CA event (now closed) lost their rears and spun-out at turn 9 throughout that race.
I really like the drop the rear than catch it driving style of it. To be fair, you have to abuse that trailbrake oversteer with the Porsches, otherwise they are understeery and slow at corners.
*Peter Brock was a very skilled Australian Racecar driver who had all the skills and was racing in the Targa Tasmania race in a Giacolotta with a converted rear mounted LS1 V8 engine. He lost control and he wasn't even going that fast on a slippery ,mossy, wet road,but his driver's door slammed straight into a huge Gum Tree which Bananared the car around it, and sending Peter Brock to heaven.😢 He had more brains and driving skills than Money, but sometimes shit happens and even Peter "Perfect" as they called him lost control and still went to heaven. When it happened,he was alot older, so I think his reflexes weren't as sharp as they used to be,which I think was the cause for his death. He either didn't catch the oversteer, or he oversteered to much himself. His co driver was sitting next to him on his left and only suffered minor injuries. The car had a full race roll cage and 6 point harness racing seat, but hard impact on your drivers door, you don't stand much of a chance. Its just too much trauma for the human body to handle. RIP Peter Brock.*
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Giacolotta, is that an ice cream flavor?
@@stejer211 Sorry if I spelled it wrong. I should have Googled it first before writing it. Sorry for my mistake. 😥
Giocattolo
Money can buy you anything but driving skills.
We see this even today.
it's a shame modern cars have such strong safety cells. too many of these rich idiots live to drive like a tool again.
The money can pay for driving lessons.
@@asquare9316 the assholes at youtube brought me back to this comment, i have obviously commented on it before. can anyone see that comment?
@@asquare9316 you can't teach a narcissist anything.
@@JTV84 yes
Sent many drivers to heaven ☝️
😂😂😂
Cars period have sent many of people to heaven tho just think about it.
@@motogeee510 true... This one just sent a little more... Thats all...
I had a 1988 930 cabriolet from 1995 through 2021. A good friend and I did ‘intelligent’ mods to it increasing the stock 288 hp to just over 400…
At over 5000’ above sea level it was still a sub 4 sec 0-100km/hr automobile.
It was bulletproof.
I drove it hard on mountain roads.., never ‘lost it’ on a curve, and never went off the road.
I was a little bit smart, and super lucky, as I’ve had no formal training in high performance driving.
Anyway, I’ve had quite a few friends with mid 80’s 911’s, and some with 930’s and 964 turbos.
None wrecked, and none died, and all drove the shit (as one should..!) out of their cars…
I had one of these in 1978, it was a 1976 and it almost killed me several times. The car was uncontrollable before you even had a clue.
As a kid growing up I drove midgets, flat track, desert and raced at Lion's Drag strip so I had some experience.
They fail to understand 0-60 in 5.4 seconds with vague power steering aggressive brakes yes they were powerful 917 derived brakes but they would lock up, tires that were capable of going off....p7s were good but compared to todays tires.
@@adriaandeleeuw8339 The surge was too quick to control. Your ass end could and come around so fast you couldn't counter it.
It’s not the horse power or turbo lag that makes them straight up killers, it’s the rpm range of when those 2 finally come together and make peak hp and torque simultaneously… kiss of death if you are not ready for it.
dont worry, it starts whistling first before the punch. just keep ur radio off.
For the most part, engines don’t make peak horsepower and torque at the same time…
@@jamesw1659the do…. Briefly. 😂 then physics decides the winner.
@@pauliks5218I can see YOU know how to drive rear engined cars. Not like idiots.
@@nygelmiller5293 well, i owned a Ruf ctr for a few years and survived. For those, who didnt drive an old 911turbo yet....first comes torque(3500-4500), later the power (5000+..)
And Porsche 930 tuned by RUF was called "Doctor Killer"
Call it whatever it's just a VW with running shoes
Thought that was the Beach Bonanza.
"lack of driver assists" fuck sake.
Right?
So, what, they needed that "transmission-assist" (AKA automatic)?
It was the '70s...
Commentator “ a man died while slowly sliding in the snow in a Porsche 930 and got sent to heaven
Get your Porsches strait. You showed the WRONG Porsche at the beginning. The black car is the Porsche Carrera GT. It is a bit wild but not the same as the car shown later.
The air cooled 911's really need to be driven like a front wheel drive car. You always Brake before the corner in a straight line, and then gas it through the corner.
He also says "then they turbo'd the 930" as if there was ever a non turbo 930. He should have said turbo'd the 911. Lots of incorrect clips in the video as well.
bro most of these videos are made entirely by AI they dont care
Straight*
It's the car that killed Paul Walker...
@@anthonytuccillo6274it is not. That was a carrera gt he was killed in, completely different car.
I started loving Porsche because of the 930 Turbo, especially after that awesome chase scene from the movie "No Man's Land" 1987, i was a teenager when i saw it and it stuck with me!
Same hahah
Hell yeah, ditto man. That movie still gives me goosebumps.
Seafoam green in the parking garage. I know.
The 930 turbo was God when we were young and impressionable. And even today, with right driver. It'd still kick a whole Lotta ass.
@@me2d2 Congrats buddy, hold on to it and never let go!
That’s why the CGT is the widowmaker ii, and the Gemballa and 9ff tuned versions are the widowmaker GT and widowmaker Reincarnation edition
I have a normal 1973 911 s without turbo.. a mean machine too😂😂
I had a ‘72 911 T and a ‘82 SC, it doesn’t matter if you lift off the throttle, once the tires lose traction, you’re coming around.
Now my Tesla M3 that’s a whole different story, amazing what all that low placed weight can do for turn-in and tossability at high speed.
"Unexpected lift-off oversteer"? What else could you expect from any rear engined car?
Yep! People were crashing in turns where they didn't accelerate out of them.
@@TheLemon333 People were crashing everywhere. In, within and out.
You might think you're all set by accelerating out of the corner when suddenly your RPMs get to the power band, the turbo spools and in an instant you're pushing double the horsepower and are in deep trouble.
It only ever got away from people because the engine torqued under power keeping the car stable, as soon as the power decreased the weight balance shifted causing the rear end to swap ends of direction travel.
@@TheLemon333 Yes -- exactly.
bros playing kerosene
Shorts & TikTok ruined Crystal Castles for me. Can't share the music with anyone without them saying its that edgy track from TikTok. It's not even played right, they keep slowing it down like it wasn't a good track to begin with...
You gonna ruin the moment? Nvm this song got ruined anyways
@@tanzanite6695true.
Idc love the artist, his music just brings a vibe. I've heard it millions of times and it don't change. Same with stressed out.
Guess cause it was also used on that vid of the mangled audi on the autobahn
Not turbo lag in this case. It was a high boost threshold. The Lotus Esprit also had a high boost threshold. It gave almost no power until the revs were over 3000, but at any time the engine was over 3000 rpm, there was no turbo lag and the boost was instantaneous. A frequently misunderstood difference.
No car gave me a hard on in 1980 than a Lotus Esprit Turbo,full bodykit,black decals and tidy alloy wheels.
That car looked like a wet dream 44 years ago.
Never drove one,maybe just as well.
My guy said it sent many unexperienced drivers to heaven
Just a small mistake: the 930 was built to homologate the 911 Carrera RSR Turbo 2.1... The 935 came a few years later as a successor to that car.
Not true
AFAIK it's true. 930, then 934, then 935. Yes there were 935 homologation specials, and those were equally deadly. But the 930 is distinct and earlier than 935
@@AnonymousGameWardenit is true dont day something if you dont know shlt i live in stuttgart and @Salo is right
@@B0BHD I don't care where you live. The information is incorrect. Why? I think I would know, I've been working for Porsche for 6 years in Weissach and worked at Zuffenhausen for 2 years before that. My father was also and avid collector and had both these cars. I could tell you that information is incorrect when I was 10 years old. Brush up on your history kid.
@@AnonymousGameWarden guy working for porsche fighting on the internet over some ai generated script video
The Dodge viper is also called a widow maker cause the same exact reason 😂
Correction: Porsche did not turbocharge their “regular 930 model”. They turbocharged their 911 model, and the turbocharged version is the 930 model (marketed as “911 Turbo”). There is no such thing as a non-turbo 930.
My cousin and his wife were both killed in a red Porche 911.... August 26 1995 ...Rip Donny and Marlena
Only the turbo Model was called 930- so the regular car was not called 930
You also cannot forget porcshe carrera gt
porcshe? Never heard of that car brand.
Everyones heard of the GT, it's boring to talk about.
that's not the point of this video
I owned a 1985 Turbo Targa.Never had a problem in 5 years of ownership.There is a knack to driving them.
Carrera GT is also the widowmaker. Looks sick ngl
Nah the 930 is the true widowmaker
The carerra gt is like the widow maker v2@@robmobracing9731
nah, Carrera GT is the family maker 😂, Only after Paul Walker died the Fast & Furious became more about family 😂
The carrera gt is like the widow maker v2 kinda
Nope you only say that because of Paul Walker
Turbo lag
80's boys: hope the turbo dont walk away höhöhöhö
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Suomi mainitty höhöhöö
You have to drive one to really know just how easy it is to spin in a corner.
“The car was completely uncontrollable. So they decided to sell it anyways”
Fun fact: The 930 Turbo was built by Porsche's Department of Redundancies Department.
I bought a 77 911 in 1978. First car I had to learn to drive; adding over a 100#'s to the extreme nose, inside the front boot helped.
About 6 yrs later, an old friend of mine came by my shop for a visit. During conversation, it came up his sister was buying a 911 Turbo.
Not knowing his sis, I asked her driving back; nothing to speak of. I implored him to convince his sister to let me come up to her place, (200+ miles away), & teach her how to drive her new toy.
No cost to her, I was doing out of an instant fear I had for my friend losing his only sibling & relative.
The date was set, just under 3 wks away. Her car was still 2 wks away; I thought she could be cautious for a week.
Three days after taking possession of the car, she swapped ends in it & was killed at the scene.
Took a long time to get over that one.
Broke my good friend's heart.
Why you did tell her not to buy 911 turbo???? Girls have no imagination!!!!!!
Dennis, Wasn't ur fault ,I'm a retired Substance Abuse Counselor. A man can Give advise but once someone doesn't understand & ego takes over Sometimes it's Fatal unfortunately. In powerful cars & with drugs ,folks will rationalize. They wouldn't sell them if they were were dangerous,I can't wait,it's my car I'm just going around the block,I'm a great driver ect. adnauseum
@@RobertErcolani-mg7cl Fortunately, I never blamed myself. If I hadn't spoke up, offered my help, I would likely have felt some guilt.
In spite of me not feeling blame, it still was painful; to know you may well have prevented someone's death, especially someone important to a good friend, leaves a person feeling hollow for what might have been, frustrated by someone not taking a warning seriously & anguish at seeing a friend suffer a devastating loss.
Thanks for your words of encouragement.
GeoD
Don't feel too bad, I also told a 20 some year old guy to please Stop drinking and driving while he was working on His truck in my shop, Not even a month later He was a Passenger in his friends Car, Of course the kid behind the wheel was drunk driving, This kid had a police officer just drive by them not even chasing this Car he of course hit a tree down the road killing this passenger instantly, I guess I failed to mention> Never get in a Vehicle with a Drunk driver.
@@raymondreiff8170 In my 70 years of seeing drunk driving kill people, it's overwhelmingly the passengers who are killed most often. Always figured the post 50/60's steering wheel improvements gave just enough protection to drivers vs passengers, cause seat belts are seldom a factor in drunk driving deaths. If they are used, then it's a bad enough crash, the driver bites it, too.
I was a passenger in one in 1988. It had been raining, the road greasy. The driver was both experienced and sensible. He was breaking and slowing down as we approached a roundabout. He changed down, I think from 3rd to 2nd, but it could have been 4th to 3rd. Either way the turbo kicked in, the rear end span into a post office van, which was acomplete mess. The 911 had a few scuff marks on the spoiler and a small dent in the back wing. Really dangerous car, the other thing is you could feel the front end coming up as the car got faster. Quite disconcerting as a passenger as front end grip dissipated!
at least you'll see the tree you're crashing into while oversteering
The 935 looks Futuristic
People hated these Porsches when they came out. They were considered “ugly” but… it aged like fine wine
I had a couple of 930 models as a kid and loved the shape! Still do.
Wrong!
@@racingjimmer you sure?
No a turbo lag issue, it’s a boost threshold issue.
That Carrera GT at the beginning was fine though. 👌🔥
The Carrera GT is what I think of as Porsche’s widow maker. It too took many lives as well as Paul Walkers. RIP
@@mikes978 The Carrera GT is way more dangerous than the 930, and also nicknamed the "Widow Maker".
"when the pocket rocket was released"😂😅😂😅
@ itsenergyzzz789....Don't understand what's funny friends...it's fun & games until it's NOT 😢 People getting killed just isn't funny period
I can't believe the 911 is even sold.
The entire line should be called the widowmaker...
My grandfather was killed in that car in 1975. He drove off waterfront rd, right into the bay. That was in Emeryville California
Back in the days, my dad was a racer and he had a 930 ngl, then he sold it for like 10 mil in 2014 to an American
The same thing happened to the V Tail Bonanza. Doctors and lawyers wrote checks that their pilot skills couldn't cash!
Forked tail Doctor killer. More dangerous than a flight attendant with a chipped tooth.
The black car at the beginning is another Widowmaker
Boy, that excessive horsepower is definitely responsible for sliding in the snow. 😂
What a beautiful beast. 😍💯
The best handling cars money can buy. I've had 6 911 Porsches and it takes a real dumbass to crash one. The 930 was infact called the "widowmaker" in the 80's and early 90's because it was very fast for its time and some were crashed. I think Mustangs/Camaros and Challengers have long since taken that title away from Porsches for both deaths and crashes.
This made me laugh. Damn mustang drivers!
Although, Mustangs, Camaros, and Challenger/Chargers are actually affordable. That's why they are so noticeable. I can drive more than a week and not see an exotic car. However, I can't breathe without seeing a "pony car".
Was also called Widow‘s luck as she was happy - she got all that money 💰
You never punch a turbo car on a wet road. Only in a straight line where you can see long distance otherwise you’ll be playing with fire
Carrera GT: Hold my oil
Carrera GT is the car that took Paul Walker’s life 🪦 😢
Normalise not blaming car companies for customer skill issue
It's not a skill Issue, it's common sense that people should be driven race spec cars on the street.
My uncle died in this Porsche...a red one too ! Rip Sylvain.
You cant beat laws of physics, car like this is for really good drivers , but smart drivers have Subaru
Imagine being able to watch the video without all those garbage captions in the middle of the screen
Hey man i like them. Im half deaf and either always in loud places where i wont hear the video regardless or in a place where its inappropriate to blast random videos.
It's not the car being dangerous. It's bad drivers being dangerous !
I had one back in the 80s and didn’t keep it that long,It was an awesome looking car and obviously plenty of power but the Turbo Lag made it so unpredictable and really kinda ruined the whole driving experience…..
Philadelphia Flyers player Pele Lindberg unfortunately died in a 930. Snap oversteer hit the gas not brakes!
And that's why Porsche makes you get a certificate that says that you can drive the gt3rs instead of just giving it
Wowww really?
@@15DJONYXno
@@15DJONYXNo they don’t. People make shit up.
Why are you just lying?
@@fxlltxtsearch chill I said it as a joke 💀
The 930 turbo is probably my favorite model of 911.
930 with 300hp: woah, I'm dangerous! 935 with 850hp: quietly buzzing around on track
I have first hand experience of how vicious a 930 can be. I was a 22 year old fool that thought they were a racing driver or sth. The car was my father's and I took the keys without him knowing and pushed my luck. I thank God to this day that He was on my side that fateful day and I came out without even a scratch. I have a 2.7RS that has far better handling, but in anycase I've learned to respect those old school monsters. Took racing lessons in various tracks, but still only like 5% of gifted (or maybe crazy?) drivers can actually drive old-school 911s to their limits
After driving many laps of the Nurburgring in BeamNG using the 930 Turbo, I can confirm it's very difficult to drive.
Only for inexperienced amarican drivers which only get used to 60 Mille per hour
@@kkapalleSpeed limit is 75 / 85 (state-dependent) just as it is on most of the Autobahn, d u m b a s s.
You couldn't even spell "American" correctly. Flunked Gymnasium, did you?
More money than driving skills 💀
Sent many inexperienced drivers to heaven ...and they were.quick.
Who remembers it from need for speed Porsche making you repeat the races on this one 100 times to finally win? 😂
"And that's why this Porche is called the WIDOMAKER" - Sir @OfficialSpoilerAlert.
Back then they couldn't handle 300 crank hp😂. probably only 200rwhp considering how heavy they were.
1380kg or less ain’t heavy.
These Cars are fucking leight
😂Itwas just called the widow maker in the US.
The average american driver, used to a 55mph-limit and a lot of straight roads, is not that experienced. So it came to some accidents, especially, when rich parents bought their high school-kids cars like that as a present to their 16th birthday.
This was a serious and successful sportscar in its era.
That's a great phrase : "The people with the money to buy those cars, usually don't have the skills to drive it"
according to Doug DeMuro the real issue was massive turbo lag. the delayed power delivery from the turbo kicked in when many driver's did not expect it.
Keeping the throttle down was key to minimize upsetting the rear
"Widowmaker" is good marketing for such a beast, I guess.
In 1978 my father bought a new Porsche 930 turbo and immediately knew it was a “handful”. On the day he went to pick up the car from the dealer it rained hard all day, and coming back home he took the same corner he always near our house, was going about 15 mph, and the car immediately spun in circles before he had a chance to correct it. After that day he only drove the car on dry days, and even then he didn’t speed. He kept the car for 6 months and it really annoyed him that he couldn’t drive the car fast, which was the main reason he bought it. He bought a new Porsche 928 afterwards, a car with excellent and easily controlled handling, it was also made really well and lasted 327,000 miles. Porsche has gotten rid of the handling problems of its rear engined car years ago.
I love how standard car information videos have now become EXC type videos💀
Friend of mine ( wealthy) had / has a ton of nice cars , some vintage , some new .. I drove his Porsche 911 convertible… and an early model Mercedes … the only car he wouldn’t let anyone else drive was / is the Porsche pearl white 930 S turbo .. he said no that one will hurt you .
“Widowmaker” one hell of a name
Going out like Paul Walker!
Kerosene in the background 💀💀
There was no such thing as a “regular 930” which was not a turbo. The 930 WAS the turbo version of the 911.
Let's Not forget the Red Carrera GT that killed Paul Walker on that fateful day when he was just going for a ride with his friend, a professional driver in l. A in an area where there was no traffic and nothing but closed. Office buildings and an infamous turn
The car from hell
Rs6 backround music ahh
That transition from regular model to turbo model is kinda sick
To be honest, the car’s only hard to drive if you’re redlining it. Early turbos didn’t really kick on until the high rpm range. But when it does kick in, it’s pretty goddamn scary.
Who said it sent many inexperienced drivers to heaven
I bought my daughter a Porche 911 as a refurbished vehicle. It was friggin dangerous, especially upon black snow.
“Sent many of them to heaven”😂😂😂😂😂😂 that guy is a beast