Shadow Empire - Dune / Arrakis Desert Planet - 01 - Setup & Start
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- Опубликовано: 16 окт 2024
- Let's play Shadow Empire, the newly-released combo 4X-wargame by VR Designs, published by Matrix Games / Slitherine Studios. We will focus our planet around Arrakis, the famous sci-fi planet of "Dune".
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SHADOW EMPIRE:
Check out Shadow Empire at the Matrix Games product page:
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Shadow Empire puts you in the seat of the supreme ruler of a small nation destined for greatness and reconquering a devastated Planet.
You have Leaders to help you govern your Zones, administer your Organisations and lead your armies. You’ll also have Stratagems available that you can play on various targets.
You will be engaged in a great military conquest, in diplomacy, budgets, organizational management, in building your economy, infrastructures and many more details.
Or check it out through Steam:
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Shadow Empire is an immersive and rather complex turn-based wargame with a unique mix of military focus, 4X elements, procedural generation and role-playing features. (Steam description)
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You should've picked Tortreides
Why didn't I think of that?
@@TortugaPower because your avatar is an ad, not a philosopher. 👍
hmmm.....bleached bones in the desert.
It warms my heart to see things like that for some reason...
btw, .I've been waiting for this since awhile back when you mentioned the possibility of doing a 'Dune' type world. Will be looking forward to this new series, thank you!
Let's hope Vic will let us customize city, character and planet names! Great start to the series, looking forward to it, thanks Tortuga.
You can change Zone/City names by calling the City Governor, but I agree it'd be nice to be able to change the other names in the game!
I hope in the future they add some kind of sliders for planet creation
Me too. The rolling is fun when you want some randomness, but when you know exactly what you want there should be a custom planet option.
Either that or being able to limit the ranges of the roll,
I think i´ve read smth. from the developer stating that will not be possible due to the complexity of the simulation.
First time watcher :D Just heard about this game from another RUclipsr Rimmy. Of what I've seen this game looks so cool! Something about games that have this mid 90s PC gaming vibe that really speak to my soul xD The game itself is such an interesting Civ style game :3
I love the art style, it makes me remember the early 2000's and my first games on PC. Such a nostalgic feel!
"... for greater visibility on RUclips."
I mean it works... I searched for Shadow Empire and this was the first video that came up! :)
Impressed with this developer, reminds me of John Tiller, who also makes some of the best deep war strategy games. When you put passion into a project and finish it, it usually will do well and surprise the gaming community.
Independent developers is our saving grace, to bring us unique and deep or new gameplay.. Larger studios these days go for eye candy and water downed systems to hit the masses, but gameplay goes way down in my opinion. So happy to see independents still strong.
Fear is the Mind Killer...excited for this!
I must not fear! =)
Tortuga, it looks like you got the "Extra Powerful Militia at Start" pre-order bonus :D
This is compensation for that miserable MP series with Das =)
He who controls the Spice , controls the universe......
A nice way to motivate our domination of this planet.
I hope modding will be in game to trade spice :D
U had me at Arrakis/DUNE2. I am still obsessed with Dune2, the PC soundtrack is STILL truly epic. #Atredies #SonicTank FTW
I suppose with all the rough terrain it might be better to focus on infantry, machine-guns and rpgs. Anything that isn't a combat vehicle or scout. Just like the Fremen really! Armour and motorised can wait for the rocky parts of the planet.
That's a great point. We are playing a real Dune start. Too bad we can't get some of those ... gyrocopters? (I forgot the name)
@@TortugaPower Ornathopters!
The atmos is insidious because it has no O2, it has no 02 because there is no plantlife to create it.
I had non-insidious on a few of my desert planets. I wonder how I got it there.
apparently the Seth class can have native biology but it's very rare. Maybe Vic could make it a bit less rare in a patch so we can enjoy it.
Thanks for playing ❤️! Been considering this game and seeing your multiplayer sessions with Dastastic. Definitely great to see the game in action
6:35
I think in order to generate desert planets, this game always makes them have an atmosphere extremely rich in CO2, doesn't seem to drop below 70%. Humans are profoundly sensitive to atmospheric CO2, even 5% CO2 is enough to overwhelm the body's compensatory systems and kill a person. So yeah, the atmosphere is insidious because breathing it would literally turn your blood to acid within a few breaths.
Been waiting for your 'Dune' series!
Shine on you crazy diamond. 😀
btw...awesome desert planet. Dunes, sand, escarpments, and mountains. Too bad no ice on the poles and a bit of plantlife and the palmeries in the far south like Arrakis.
I just bought the game...and going to try messing with the planetary formation part (fun) to get some oxygen and minimal flora near the poles. It might take going to the 'Unclassified' planet type and start fiddling with the orbital mechanics lol.
Thanks, Old Crow. I asked Vic about modding because it would have been great to even allow us (the players) to create our world -- to make it more Dune-like. Not in the release, at least.
@@TortugaPower Well thats ok.
If I figure it out from the release version, short of modding....I'll give you a heads up if its possible.
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Aaaugh I'm so interested in this game. I love all of the world generation options, I'll have to see if das tactics shows all of the world types, because all I can think of is wanting to see some really strange worlds filled with alien plants and fauna like Planet from Sid Meier's Alpha Cenaturi, or other alien worlds in video games. Also it's depth gives me thoughts back to the race and empire generation from Space Empires V. I may have bought that game just to explore it's empire generation options.
There are planets very similar to Alpha Centauri.
God no ..blue and yellow .... the ghosts of the red dukes are going to haunt you forever
I can pretend to save face by saying House Tortuga, an ancestor or relative of House Atreides, is blue and yellow. (But yes I forgot the colors to Atreides)
@@TortugaPower Green and Black for Atreides
7:40 They used Atomics!
Right out of the book!
How i wish we had a good dune 4x game. Indeed this game comes really close, we will have to make do until it is modded as such
I'm guessing you're probably not gonna generate a planet with perfect atmosphere if your planet has no plant life or algae.
Well Arakis had plants at one point. Water too.
Just finished my first game: got my ASS KICKED. Back to the drawing board... what a game though!
A very comment result, I'm afraid! Keep at it =)
32:00 The decision that gave you enforcement was a decision to assist some adventurers securing a find they found. They spawn no matter what usually, and suck to have as a first ten turn event.
Thanks for pointing this out.
For Arrakis, you can build Wind Traps. And call your buggies "Quads" :)
That's right, although the Atreides name for them in Dune 2 was Trikes, I think. Quads were Harkonnen? (Not sure, but there were differences)
@@TortugaPower Trikes were the 3-wheel vehicles. Quads were the 4-wheel vehicles.
This has me imagining having harvesters and Carryalls. :)
5:10 I believe the word you're looking for is "width"
10:30 You can still get farming factions in your game even if "farmers" is 0%. I don't understand it myself. But anyway, even if there's no arable land, someone's got to grow food somewhere in domes.
If you use Siwa class generation and choose a planet with low tilt and a higher average temperature. When you get to the biosphere generation you'll have planets that are basically just rocky deserts but with real atmospheres show up.
North-south oriented mountains will have windward-leeward weather effects. Western side, think Oregon..eastern slopes, hot as Hades, due to compressional warming.
Worth noting is the giant unmanned ship that crashed on the planet. Maybe that means there are some really good ruins somewhere?
I have also read the entire dune series... and had the same thought about the situation, I seem to recall the Worms needed so specific an environment an erupting volcano would be unlikely
Unless we drop the Maker's water on a pile of unborn worms. Then we'll have an eruption!
If you want to generate life on a desert planet, use Unclassified.
Seth Class appears to not allow for alien life, even though it says it is rare.
Generate a desert planet, then per the Biosphere, re-roll till alien life forms appear.
I LOVE soft roleplay in Strategic games
The military is completely random and you could potentially spawn with a whole division. I see that you got really lucky here, but TBH in 100 turns, they will slowly be outclassed.
They need to add a non-random planet generation system... because there are no alien life (sandworms) on this planet! :D
Wheeled and tracked vehicales have a horrendous time moving through sand as its hard for them to gain purchase as the sand acts like water. Its faster to move through a desert on animal or foot rather then a big heavy truck
What are these numbers on the counters when the ai is moving? They differ from the numbers on the counters when it is your turn?
When does this come out on steam?
Not sure, but I think it will be a few months.
@@TortugaPower Oh wow, I didn't expect it to be that late for the steam... Is there a reason for that?
@@kaankalafat3818 Standard business practice for Slitherine/Matrix. Wargames are niche so they release exclusively on their own website first for a few months to maximise revenue for them and the developer. This coincides with their marketing push. They then release the game on other platforms to maximise whatever general sales they are going to get later. You will always get a valid Steam key when you buy through Siltherine so really, if you like the game, there's no reason not to buy now and activate it on Steam in a few months for the added convenience that brings.
@@georgelaidlaw3748 no reason not to buy, apart from twice the price of future steam version)
@@georgelaidlaw3748 Except they're still doing major overhauls to core mechanics like logistics. It might be called 1.0 but in reality it's more like early access. Just wait for the Steam release and play a better version of the game.
If I remember correctly Paul's personal guards were the death commandos known as the Feydakin.
Fedaykin, yeah (feh-die-kin).
So... While you put your new Shadow Empire content out... In the meantime I will watch this. #notaddicted.
Good luck, this series is significantly worse in gameplay (although I like the setting and narrative better)
@@TortugaPower I adore the setting and as for the gameplay being worse - well I will survive. It is a desert planet, after all 😉 spice must flow... And eyes must be blue.
I dont feel like regular is difficult. I think it heavily depends on the majors you get, and finding laser technology in turn 20 or so mabye helps too ;)
Btw i noticed that the Ai ignores logistics completely and is drowning in IP, so they end up building spider webs of roads and only having one! basic private owned truck station. But somehow they still manage to supply 100k+ troops over a large area. Did you notice that too?
Yes, the AI cheats with logistics (always has in VR Design games, as with most games). That's a bummer. I wish there was a better solution for this.
should I wait for steam release?
You seem ot not be running on the Release version at all:
The lack of the free public Hydroponics and Water Mine seems to be normal with "Militia Only" starts. Apparently they do not eat anything (or nearly enough) to warant the free Public Hydroponics and Water Mine.
But the Oversized Militia? Not a thing in release at all! Did some tests games:
- I got 3 size 6 infantery and 1 Size 20 Motorized.
- 2 size 7 Motorized, 2 size 6 Infantery
- 1 Size 20 Infantery, 2 size 7 Motorized, 2 size 6 Infantery.
It was not the population either, I got that last measure with 67k.
This is just hilarously too much, Especially as it punches you right into "Food Problem" scenario.
You can see the release version I am using: 1.01a (from the opening seconds of the video).
@@TortugaPower Then it is ine heck of a bug. Or maybe so mod/beta leftovers causing issues.
In none of my tests did I even get close to that force. 2 size 20. Not 2 size 80 and 6 size 20.
So when will it be released on steam :D?
I'm not familiar with this game. Is this anything like Empire of the Fading Suns? I got a heavy Dune feel off of that game.
When does the game gets released?
Is it possible to mod new events and units?
Wasn't Dune (1992) one of the first 4x games?
Dune 2 is considered the pioneer real-time strategy game.
@@TortugaPower Knew it was something like that. Just watched the David Lynch movie a couple of weeks ago, which is amazing in its' way. Haven't read the book since I was young but it used to be something I read every summer. Thanks for the campaign!
Ooooh. Dune.
Duuuuuune.
Интересная штука. Давай еще)
Trying to figure out if I want to get this game, pretty sure yes, lol. Also, found your channel from recommendation by MarauderPL, want to give him a shoutout. Subbed your channel too!
Marauder, still my #1 source for a WitE refresher =)
[edit: FYI, I have a newer series currently on this, with better game knowledge; that might be preferable]
@@TortugaPower Awesome, will do! And yes, I'm getting into WiTE, which is how I found him.
Excellent. Now all you need to do is start harvesting your neighbors for their water!
I wish you could mod this game even a little bit
Game is released but not available on Steam ??? Why?
It will be released later on Steam.
The Fremen were the warrior peoples of dune.
yep, The Fedaykin if you wanna get more specific
This is crazy, but can you and torg plus others, really like play Dune?
It's not true Dune, it's just a desert planet that is Arrakis-like, and we will have soft RP elements (naming, etc.)
@@TortugaPowerOk
30° to 50° dosnt feel like arrakis what so ever :D
Let’s just say you are very militarized
These militia are better than my mid-game army units!
They must be descents of Helllas or Greece
Ambient means "free air" temperature. You're correct that 15C is the "standard temperature." Back in mid 70's, as a young aviation meteorologist, I was taught how to compute density altitude, critical for aircraft operations at higher elevations. Back then, the mathematical CONSTANT was 14C. Quite by accident, I ran across this formulae every bit of 30 years later..and the constant had changed. Read that again...the MATHEMATICAL CONSTANT for standard atmospheric temperature had gone up. This is when I knew global climate change was real. Scientists don't give a shit about politics...this is science.
Colors should be Green and Black
Welp!
Atomics were used!
I saw what I assume are targeted ads for this game and the bastards got me. Very reasonable price for Matrix/Slitherine too
Haha, "they got me!!" My only hope then is that you enjoy it =)
TortugaPower me too and you and DasTactic will help me get to the point where I understand what the heck is even going on, so thanks for that!
Liking the video! You're not very good with remembering names! I have that same problem. It's so frustrating.
This is some dollar store Arakis. Not even a single sandworm.
Indeed. Although we may get some Arachnids, which I will pretend are sand worms. =)
The planet generation leaves a bit to be desired. I like the lack of fine control and history building for some maps but the total inability to create a world for roleplay or a specific game in mind seems like a major oversight.
Of course, I would love it if those options were available. This wasn't a game-killing omission for me, although I would have liked it.
It's not an oversight. The game is entirely made by one guy, so a lot of "would be nice, but..." features have been cut simply to prioritize more important features. It's a conscious decision rather than something he didn't think of.
It seems that you'd need a Real atmosphere and not an Earth Comparable Atmosphere to get something besides Insidious
Where are the sand worms?
We may end up finding some hostile spiders, which I will pretend are worms =)
After reading the description and listening to the first minute of the video, it's utterly unclear what I'm watching. Is it a game called "Shadow empire" with a "Dune" fan mod?
If this is your first exposure to Shadow Empire, it is a combo 4X-wargame, and I'm playing on an Arrrakis-like planet. There is no official Dune in here, just similarities that allow me (us) to imagine.
@@TortugaPower thanks
Ambient means "free air" temperature. I became an Aviation Meteorologist with the Air Force in 1974. We used a mathematical equation to determine Pressure Altitude, and Density Altitude, both of which required knowledge of the ambient temperature, as well as Standard Atmospheric Temperature. Back in 1974, it was 14C. Every bit of thirty years later, I ran across the same equation..and noted that the mathematical CONSTANT had changed to 15C. Read that again. Scientists don't care about politics..and this is THE clearest indication that global climate change is real, and on-going. A mathematical CONSTANT got changed. SMH.
the game sensed your insult and said no
Deserts suck, so much IP for roads. :'
And all the logistical issues that entails.
The part where you and Tactic play on small maps, is causing issues with planet generation. Small Map = Small Planet. Small Planet = low Gravity, wich mean shallow atmosphere, low temperature variation
5:50 Toxic would be very fitting for a desert world, and arakis in particular Breathing in very hot oxygen - nevermind spice and dust - is not a healthy thing.
The formula for a breathable Oxygen Atmosphere in reality is: Take a CO2 Atmosphere. Add Plant or other life that photosynthesizes it into O2. Usually microbial life in open water is "enough". No need for a proper Biosphere.
I guess if you do not allow for water, the game simply does not allow for even microbial life to deal with that.
6:50 It is not true that Arakis has 0 water. It has enough atmospheric water, that a windtrap to collect it is SOP for everyone: dune.fandom.com/wiki/Windtrap Windtrap is a starting technology and what collects "rainfall".
Limos class is a better fit for arrakis then many people instictively give it credit for - it has enough water for a oxygen cycle and windtraps, but not *anywhere* near enough that it becomes a non-issue. IMHO the starting icemine is a bigger emersion breaker, but I guess it can stand in for windtrap+cisterns?
You will get "Water Soil Recompisition" quickly however. It may use power, but that is basically unlimited water.
7:35 I do not see why the number of *colonized* zones would be an issue. The geology has already been defined. The number of people is idenpendant of it. So that realy only defines how spread out those ruins are.
7:55 Oh, fuel is absolutely going to be a problem! Oil on earth is a by-product of a Carbon Lifecycle. No lifecycle, no oil. Given how little Methan was in the Atmosphere, they might be subteranean storage.
But aside from Deep Core Mining (fuel from Lithosphere), the unlmited recycling plant in the startng place might be your only real source.
8:30 Arrakis is the only place you would go *for* Mining, because the Spice only exists there. Why go to a planet for mining, if you can get the same stuff from a asteroid or low gravity planetoids/moon? That is why you will have issues finding a heavy mining world - it simply makes no sense to go there just for mining. Mining happens, because there is a industry that needs it.
9:30 Somebody used Atomics? dune.fandom.com/wiki/Atomics
10:20 "It is the early 9th millennium if you would be using the old Earth calender." - the Handbook
The tooltip for the date counter will give you a translated earth-date.
11:30 Odd. The Text Input Dialog was not captured by the Software. It may have issues with Dialog boxes being opened - usually a problem with simple game engines like this one.
11:50 "House Tortuga" - they be sand pirates, Arr!
"On Atreides we had Power on Land, sea and in the Air. What counts here, is power in the desert."
12:20 This is their Logo: dune.fandom.com/wiki/House_Atreides
A bird, yes, but sitting. And the colors were in that prominence: Black, Green, Red.
But I guess House Tortuga has changed a bit?
13:50 Of the 3 choices commerce fits the least. Government and Enforcement would fit.
14:15 Mind would be the one that fits least, I think. But then Mind is just a general missfit on that Universe - progress is actively avoided.
14:20 Moah's Elite were the Feydakin: dune.fandom.com/wiki/Fedaykin
15:10 Authority might be the one that fits least. Interaction between Sietches usually included negotiation. Wich is more of a Democracy thing.
But yes: if food is scrace, Meritochracies T2 unlock is just too valuable.
18:40 One of the factions is usually poised to be against your choices. Hiring them is not nesesarily a good idea.
24:50 That large Militia is *causing* the food issues. It is not a advantage, but a liability. It is the MP game problem of "too large army to feed" all over again! Have them die in combat or die of hunger, but they will die before oyu can fix food either way.
26:00 Suitability is based entirely on the *current Capabiltiy ratings* with no acounting for potential. On his skill level he could use 0 Stats and had no skill sharing, for all but IPR, so he was low (save for the IPR skill uses).
The Suitability does not account for stats, if he got
God the vocals for the main mwnu song are not good
what a load of crap
Meh ? Too dated for me. I love the movie - "Dune" ... but
How can a game released in 2020 be "too dated"?