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Interesting video. You should do one with Dr Gundry and a gastroenterologist. As you probably know, he is anti lectins. Not because they cause toxicity but because he claims they put holes in the gut lining and what then gets let into the body causes issues over a longer period of time IE not an immediate reaction. I think that would make for a very interesting discussion.
I am just so confused 😕 everybody is saying something different, its literally impossible to know what is healthy or not these days to the point where the mental overload of stress about "is this Healthy or not" counteracts any real potential benefit of that diet😟 I should probably just give up and eat whatever as long as its whole food, Does anyone feel the same?
Minimally processed food and exercise is most important. Keep it simple is what I try to do bc you can develop a “eating disorder” with the obsession. I listen to what they have to say and implement changes if I feel necessary.
Yes honestly I’ve stopped my internet time and gone back to reading books. ( only use internet library now ) Helped heaps. Listen to your body and focus on nourishing foods. Weston A Price nutritional degeneration great book.
Different people with different genetics and history react to things differently. I think once you cut out all the processed crap and sugars, the next thing is to experiment and find what feels right to you. Personally, I find a 'ketovore' blend works best, I was never a big salad person but I love veggies like green beans, okra, and I love some dairy and avocados. But being protein heavy reduced my overall intake and made it easier for me to stick to the diet. But everyone is different :)
OP definitely relatable. Some good comments here for sure...I'll chip in my two cents also (beware, long read 📝)... "...eat whatever as long as it is whole food..." not that simple to just end there but absolutely that is way to go and can go a long way in and of itself. Whether or not its exclusively or predominantly plant-based or animal-based, *whole-foods* is a core feature to aim at...some form of a modified paleolithic pattern. Also avoid glyphospate and other definitively toxic pesticides (particularly for the so-called 'dirty dozen' organic produce is preferred typically) We all seem to want to jump to the intermediate or advanced minutiae many times but *_the fundamentals are the most vital to ensure are down pat_* yet universally overlooked ubiquitously. This literally cannot be emphasized enough. What are THE FUNDAMENTALS? For nutrition "fundamentals", the #1 necessary nutrient is essential electrolytes + clean H20 (hydration), then other primary essentials are sufficient bioavailable EAA-whole foods + bioavailable EFA-whole foods (also, EPA & DHA-containing O3 FAs), bioavailable essential vits sourced from whole foods ideally, essential minerals and trace minerals and I would highly recommend to consider seamoss, shilajit or similar multi-mineral + trace mineral supplement, pre- & pro-biotics foods daily [multiple times preferably but at least upon waking on empty stomach] and alternate to a different variety every now and then to help fertilize, optimize microbiome and facilitate beneficial pro-biotics... Other than that, some certain complex carbohydrate foods, ideally or (circumstance-dependent) sometimes strategically selected/incorporated for their beneficial micro-nutritional or "nutraceutical" properties (such as berries containing antioxidants, red onions olives and capers containing quercetin, etc) and nutraceutical features (there are foods with naturally-occuring compounds conferring anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal, immuno-modulatory, anti-inflammatory and inflammatory regulatory, chemopreventative, antihistamine, etc. effects) and other than the obvious no-no's (processed or certainly hyper-processed "food," fiber-less refined simple sugars, trans-fats & oxidized/degraded/toxic fatty acids, simultaneously high fat/carb combos, excessive incessant caffeine [though moderate organic green maca tea is probably least problematic], nicotine, etc. stimulants that sustain stress and/or contribute to immune, metabolic, etc. dysregulation or disrupts homeostatic stability otherwise...note for other nic heads - nicotine has vaso-constrictive, endothelial-disruptive, inflammatory-promoting adrenergenic, etc. properties - vaping or smoking is ABSOLUTELY contraindicated, however even lozenges or patches (least harmful) aren't benign/will carry the aforementioned nicotine effects), also avoid vit C, antioxidant, melatonin [use organic tart cherry juice instead] etc. supplements generally rather *derive from real whole food sources* instead for best bioavailability, efficacy, and biomechanistic synergistics)... Ain't just about what you consume but also absorption (optimize nutrients bioavailability and integrity, mitigate antinutrients and toxins so example for spinach, best to blanch it), chronobiology/when you consume, frequency/how often, what is consumed with what (e.g., again simultaneously high fat/carb combo contraindicated...whereas in case of water-soluble or fat-soluble or other bioavailability cofactor conditions, they support each other...) ☀️🌳 'More green time, less screen time' (better air quality, countless other solid reasons just do it), healthy (oxytocin, dopamine and serotonin-stimulating) social interconnections, and other critically pertinent lifestyle-based factors *_synergize with nutrition_* as to help it confer benefits or can (to varying levels) degrade/inhibit its capacity to do good if these other such essential factors are notably neglected or significantly compromised. Isn't just about each "factor" per se; qualitative and quantitative aspects matter here too for each so just as with nutrition, consider content, contextual co-factor aka dynamic processing, dosing, frequency, amount, pacing..for instance exercise is good but depending on these attributes it can be hormetic (good) or harmful (bad). Again using exercise example, re: "cofactor conditions" attribute - while rested, good, whereas under conditions of sleep deprivation, potentially bad/the positive adaptive response to exercise is more limited and depending on extent can even be so compromised as to entail the exercise session does more harm than good if too intensive for example... But anyway these other baseline essential factors aka, the other holistic health "fundamentals" include, i.e., _paced_ exercise _and regular movement_ as well as circadian control of light exposure and "stress management" ..."stress management" is broad, think big (anything that stresses your biology from base level up thru psyche) and also again remember not just to mentalize it as all bad per se b/c technically it includes (dis)stress _as well as_ hormetic (eu)stress (most common examples include thermal therapy aka heat shock + cold shock, autophagy-promoting periodic prolonged hydrated fasts, etc.) - basically you want your overall ANS (nervous system) to be in the PNS activated state more often than not (vice the SNS being more active)...just as with chronic low-grade inflammation (type of excessively prolonged physical stress), chronic low-grade stress otherwise (e.g., psycho-social), is to be minimized and mitigated. Whereas generally speaking (when not ill for instance) as the relative norm, acute stress that the biosystem is _promptly_ able to recover from and return more to parasympathetic status from - that is better (to over-simplify it perhaps) Other than the aforementioned fundamentals (are first and foremost, revisit research routinely), I would suggest that it could be of benefit to generically give particular attention to certain other aspects...example core features to optimize might include 1) prometabolic (restoring mitochondrial/bio-energetic function) 2) optimizing microbiome [gastrointestinal system contains majority of immune cells] 3) optimizing neural health 3) other key aspects that affect anything along the 'mind-body' chain (simplistically described in an arguably arbitrary-ish way but that highlights some of the notable 'nodes' - anything along the psycho-cerebro-neuro-gastro-immuno-baseline biophysical chain) 4) others at or suspected at the pathological roots of a major illness you are working on recovering from 5) those more directly relating to something(s) in particular you are targeting/wanting to work on and/or optimize While limited and perhaps missing a couple key features or aspects (idk), I'm sure that for most all biotypical adult humans, the above encapsulates the jist of a robust (evidentially and logically sound) bedrock for holistic human health (brief, rough overview guidelines). As with many aspects in life, ongoing 'experimental' trial and error should arguably play somewhat of a core role, and indeed to some extent 'bio-individuality' does inhibit us from precisely prescribing every detail for everyone Simplify or write down and stick with the fundamentals (routinely revisit periodically). Beyond that (frontload fundamentals), then gradually (*incrementally*) learn and incorporate particulars and more nuance within reason (re: invested time spent) given your priorities, schedule, etc. - rather than constantly worrying daily trying to perfect or ensure certainty about every detail all the time, obsessively researching non-stop or falling into what you would consider an eating disorder from the obsession, etc.) Point of diving into this is supposed to make our (and others' if so decided) life better not worse lol
I've been to multiple gastrointestinal docs in multiple states. IMO none of them know the answers. Each individual is different and if you eat something that bothers you....... stop eating it. I have crohns. And my body thrives on keto/carnivore.
I'm the same, I get gout and thrive on Keto and fasting. All symptoms are controlled when I'm in ketosis but I've no Idea why, while others get attacks while fasting/keto.
@@RogerS1978 That's awesome! I've heard that uric acid (increased by fructose) can cause gout flares. Keto is low in fructose. Maybe that's one pathway.
It certainly seems there is no doubt a genetic issue to it all. What part of the world your family tree roots go to and therefore what your ancestors ate seem to be a key factor to not one size fitting all.
Agreed ! It's anecdotal but when I started raw Kale smoothies I developed Crohns disease - at the age of 70 !!!!!. Low Carb Ketovore really helped, along with intermittent fasting and replenishing my gut biome. My Iron levels are back to normal, my bowels are moving well, so I just pronounced myself cured. I've learned to listen to my body first.
@@MajesticArtimus Exactly so. I like to sautee a few veg in butter ( Brussels sprouts and mushrooms is a favourite ) so the veg content of a meal becomes more of a sauce for the protein.
A bigger concern that most people aren't aware of is the vegetable seed production industry, which is constantly manipulating strains of vegetables in the chase of their own easy to grow and sell product with little regard for nutritional value. In the Mediterranean they grow organically and grow heirloom varieties which most of the world doesn't. Your best bet is to grow your own food rather than buy it, grow heirloom varieties and do it organically
Yea this is what I try and do, it’s almost a full time job though, i have an allotment and see so many folk who get one never do anything with it as they just don’t have the time. For 6 months of the year it’s relentless, but I feel blessed to have the opportunity to grow the majority of our salad and veg. I was a very successful sales person for a number of years, no amount of sales awards come close to the joy of seeing your friends and family eat a plate of food that you’ve grown.
Thomas, in an industry that's highly polarizing in terms of diet/lifestyle and what you should/shouldn't eat, I highly respect your ability to listen and learn. So many people get attached to one thing or another and allow their bias to dismiss the science. Always adapting, always changing. It's refreshing and gives credence to what you say.
I don't agree, I believe Thomas is biased and is dismissing some major science which doesn't seem his style, but Thomas has not given the carnivore diet the credit it deserves, I don't think Thomas really believes it works when it has helped more people than keto itself. It's possible he may look into this and be surprised that carnivore may actually work even better than keto, I think it's hard for most people to believe that, it was hard for me to believe it until I finally tried it myself after doing keto for 2 years which I had great success with keto. People asked me why would I try a different diet when keto worked so well, I told them how would I know if I didn't give it a fair shot to see. I didn't expect better results from carnivore, I assumed at best case it would perform maybe as well as keto but I really didn't expect it to, but I actually did even slightly better and was finally able to add muscle at my age which I had been struggling for over a year working out at 52 years old. Not to mention I also stopped getting sunburned on carnivore, not sure what the science is on that, but playing golf, I would get red on the arms after a few hours out, that didn't happen on keto, kinda weird. Energy is about the same on both keto and carnivore. But overall I have been very satisfied on carnivore. I will say I missed things like avocado and blueberries so I now do ketovore by going 90% carnivore and 10% plant based but healthwise I didn't need the 10% plant based items, but I do enjoy them so I have a little now.
@shawnlewis1918 other than autoimmune, histamine intolerant, persistent systemic inflammatory or other such uncommon conditions that a majority of carnivore dieters tend to derive from, as a universally optimal for everyone nutritional pattern, it just lacks hard evidence for that when there is so much inter-demographic variation, bio-individuality, etc. and considering paleo, keto, WFPB, etc. (real food diets), especially if modified and/or used with particular guide rails in place, show fantastic results for so many people already/also anyway...
@shawnlewis1918 Thomas is literally among the least tribal, most reasonably equitable (in impartially covering basically every major diet type) nutritional subject matter experts you'll come across.
@@HazardousHumorHQ I'm not talking about covering...I'm talking about his personal opinion and though I have heard him mention carnivore, he seems to not give credit to this VERY credit worthy diet that has helped hundreds of thousands of people who have tried themselves and had great success.
Well I didn't learn much from the Gastro, but Thomas' last statement about treating veg as a supplement ? Love it. I've come to the same conclusion myself. Last night I had a lovely fatty steak with a small portion of Brussels Sprouts and Mushrooms sauteed in butter. Basically the Veggies were a sauce that made the whole meal more satiating.
I am 84 and my only issues are that I am trifle hypo-glycemic and hypo-tense but quite active. And I am a vegetarian. Hard to generalise. Virtually all my friends who ate largely meat and dairy have been having issues affecting the brain
Science has always been that way. It makes lots of mistakes and itself corrects overtime. It has issues with corruption for the sake of profit or prestige and it has people fighting that corruption. Science self corrects overtime but definitely has flaws. It's really unfortunate the way people take such a small perspective on science that doesn't look at the whole ecosystem of the whole of Science, and its history. Your statement is part of a viral mentality that is not helpful and it's not accurate with it's over generalization. I don't know anybody who professionally has a career in the sciences and makes these kind of generalized conclusions that all Science is bad these days. The problem these days is that lay people who don't understand the whole scientific process at a deeper intellectual level but have endless access to science these days make conclusions that really just don't match reality.
although i love plant foods, I've felt better off of them. after i reach my health goals on carnivore i want to start adding some foods back to see how they make me feel
@@uog293 You are wrong. His logic is like saying, he is poor and some other people are poor too. There is a big difference between "some" and "everyone".
So you got a sibo test showing you no longer have the infection after cutting out lectins? Or is just that you still have sibo, and now that you cut out lectins, you feel better. Symptom reduction does not mean you healed your gut.
It’s not about not dying, but about thriving. Nevertheless, is good to know that eating some antinutrients every once in a while and in SMALL doses might have beneficial effects. As the old saying goes, the difference between medicine and poison in in the dose.
The problem with this logic stating that in small doses these poisons can be helpful is that we have no idea what that dose is. It is also the case that just ONE of these toxins can be helpful in the right dose, but we (as a society) are consuming literally hundreds of them daily, and for our entire lives. THIS is the true danger: The fact that we have no clue how much is too much for us individually and no technology that can track it to show real-time evidence of what these things are doing to us. Yes, if you are a healthy individual, small amounts are obviously not going to hurt you (as he said, "we are not insects"), but I wouldn't count on getting that perfect dose that is actually beneficial. It's too convenient for them to sell you that concept and have you say "Oh, cool, I'll eat some of these poisons for their hormetic (beneficial) health effect," all while there's no way to know if you're actually receiving that effect. And, on the flipside, if you are a healthy person, by the time these things start to cause problems (decades later) we don't think that it's the plants that are causing them because, after all, we have been eating them all are lives so it must be something else. Nah, man... It's the damn plants. It just takes decades for them to break down our defenses and for us to become intolerant to them. And at that point, even just tiny doses become problematic, causing chronic inflammation and all of the degenerative diseases that our society is suffering from today.
@@corwynmatthew6625 If plants break down our defense, why do people eating plant seems to be healthier in these countries and make it over 100 years? Like Monaco and other Mediterranean countries.
@hesitatenothing the data showing this is cherry-picked; Its biased data, for one. Secondly, it's comparing to people who eat meat, sure, but who also eat processed foods (which the vast majority of are made from plants). Granted, those processed plant foods often have man made compounds in them like shelf stabilizers and artificial flavors, but the majority of these products are plant products. This means these people who are living longer are not necessarily doing so because of what they are eating, but rather what they are NOT eating: processed plant foods. Thirdly, they live much different lifestyles that are more family oriented and tend to have greater support structures. Fourth: because they're filling their bellies with undigestable plant fibers, they are absorbing less calories overall and are not obese. This allows them to remain active when they are older, which signals the body to protect its lean mass, which regulates our metabolism, keeping us metabolically healthy and, therefore, improving longevity. If, instead of comparing to people eating processed junk, the data was (objectively) compared to long-term carnivores, it's very likely it would look differently. The problem here is that there is no long-term data on modern carnivores yet to show this, so we have to dig deeper and extrapolate a best guess based on more thorough and objective consideration that isn't tainted by corporate marketing that's simply trying to sell a product. And lastly, according to geneticists, humans should be living to be 120 years old if nothing gets in our way. So, these people who are living to be 100 are dying early. Something is killing them, and that something is their diet. Especially considering modern advancements in medicine. With our current medical knowledge, we should be living well OVER 120 years, and yet most of us clock out in our 70s. (There's much, much more to this, but we have to find it all for ourselves; me telling you doesn't do any good until you independently verify the reasoning. Good luck in your search for the truth 👍)
awesome interview. Ever since i added more beans to my diet, I got stronger and feel better, but the key is to experiment what is the right amount for you.
There are also two kinds of foods: GMO foods with glyphosate or actual real organic foods without poison. The first group really causes the gastrointestinal issues 💯 percent of the time.
Yep. Any discussion about vegetables needs to include the pesticide issue. If you don't make a distinction between organic and non organic in this context, results are just super confusing.
@@justadude4826 absolutely. People somehow think ‘GMO’ is synonymous with ‘toxic’. Not at all the case. I learned about how they work in an intro biology course.
@@justadude4826 ....you are talking about hybrid produce not GMO's which are totally different....hybrids are just different types of produce that are combined while GMO's are changed at the DNA level....GMO's are not natural & don't fit with our bodies physiology.
Nice to know that one of my favorite weekly meal preps, making a big pot of beef or chicken chili with beans, is now something you guys are highly recommending to the world, awesome validation for what i've been doing! Thank you for the info Dr. Bulsiewicz and keep up the great work Thomas!
I had chronic muscle cramps killing me when I tried to sleep, for over a decade. Only removing plants fixed this! Anti nutrients bind magnesium. I will subject myself to a study right now, feed me oats and my calfs will cramp.
Oats is not a good example because of the glyphosate, what about legumes…. Did you try supplementing with magnesium, we should all be doing this anyway
Oats are not a good example because people often consume the more processed none organic verieties and often uncooked (Museli etc.). Also the magnesium lost does not outway the magnesium gained!
Certain plants are very beneficial, extremely so. Knowing which ones they are is the trick and knowing how much of them to consume. And you gotta know how to correctly prepare them
Thing is, I know a lot of people who've had problems with their health and once they cut out vegetables (not all vege but a significant amount) they felt a 100x better. Not trying to bash vege. I still eat it them myself. But for others, it may be beneficial to cut them out
Agree. Especially for some people with autoimmune issues. But to say that plants are toxic to us as a species whole and that humans are not evolutionarily equipped to eat carbohydrates is counterfactual nonsense. Humans have been eating vegetables and some fruit since our earliest days as a species.
It’s the nasty glyphosates and GMOs. The food industry ruined vegetables and now they are trying to eliminate meats in the name of climate issues. If they have their way, everyone will be sick like veterans after their terrible foods they are fed during their service.
Agree! I am one of those people 😊 I cheat and have keto vegetables occasionally and get really sick because they are too delicious to pass up at times though lol
Not sure, I’m a fit guy, In shape. Eat clean whole foods. But when I eat spinach, broccoli, it just wrecks my gut. I get bloated etc. but when I cut it out, I felt great, no more bloating and flat stomach. I basically cut out night shades and feel great.
It depends on the state of your gut and gut biome. You get your gut into a certain ecosystem, and then food won't agree with it. This is what is happening to people and why they can only eat certain foods, but this can be fixed by fixing the gut and gut biome.
Has to do with your gut. And others who experience the same thing. For me broccoli, aragula, bok choi and lettuce give me better feeling than anything else. ppl are different what it seems
Oxalates should be kept to a minimum imo. Even as a vegetarian I focus on low oxalate legumes, greens, fruits, seeds etc.... Eating vegetables, fruits, and beans have shown to increase longevity, so you don't want to entirely cut these foods out, you just want to focus on the healthiest ones. Never seen a 90+ year old on an animal based diet, have you?
@@RinaValentinaI feel that. Im a huge advocate of carnivore but I'm mixing in a little fiber now cause it "helps". Sometimes you just gotta gamble with this stuff cause overabundance of information
Diets high in grains and nuts have too much phytic acid. My teeth became soft. When I cut the foods high in phytic acid, my teeth hardened and pain went away. You can remineralize your teeth. It works. That was many years ago.
@@abaddonmorningstar8871 Def not against plant 🌱 I enjoy many plants and sprouts etc. But people should never go for nuts and legumes as a main source of protein. They contain phytic acid that also softens bones and teeth. Vegans suffer the most.
@Novmacar I knew you would say some dumb shit like that. I'm not saying grain isn't plant based. I'm saying grain is bad. Not a plant based diet. Learn to use your brain.
@@TheLavenderLover yea. It really doesn't. Lack of protein and exercise do that. As well as no vitamin d and magnesium. And guess what a good source of magnesium is. A plant based diet
This approach works with alcohol too. One night of every month drink a case of beer and a bottle of wine. Might be a little sluggish the next day, but you feel AMAZING for the next 29 days. Proof that the alcohol is 100% beneficial to your health. You can thank me later :)
I was also in the same boat thinking moderation is key. However, even moderation has effects on your body which I never thought would happen eating clean organic veggies and fruit. Only when I cut them did I notice the ill effects I had. More energy, better immunity and many more. Oxalates and others build up in your system over time hurting you in the long run.
I haven't checked the history of this channel, but I want to see if Thomas will be giving Sally k Norton equal time on this channel. Right out of the gate it appears that this gastroenterologist believes that what she has to say is completely incorrect. I actually owe the quality of my life to Sally's work. There is so much improvement in my health since I reduced the vegetables and nuts that tend to have high oxalate loads. I don't follow her suggestions because I blindly believe she has some kind of knowledge, I follow her suggestions because when I do I have far less pain. And, of course, she is not the only person who sounds the alarm in regards to oxalates.
I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT...I am older & have zero problems with plant foods & it's the same with most people i know....sure some have issues but not nearly everyone....our ancestors have eaten an omnivore diet for thousands of years so it is part of our DNA.
@@MrGarymolaHumans are not different. We are more than 99% the same, with the same mechanics. What works for one will generally work for the next person. Sure some people have genetic predispositions but those are statistically insignificant. You will never know the effects of something until you get rid of it from your system.
Contrary to what doctors and dieticians recommend, I'm 100% sure that me, my mother and my brothers feel a lot better if we do not eat fiber. I mean, we use the carnivore diet as medicine for when symptoms of IBS arise, and it works. Fiber makes me bloated, have irregular bowel movements, too much bowel movements, gas, sometimes low energy and mood. Going carnivore makes me feel excellent in every way. This is the opposite of all of what doctors and scientists say, yet we, and many other people, are proof that it works.
Yes because your digestive system not works anymore, you have to fix it slowely and once is fixed increase fiber extremely slowly.then tolerance of it is different for each people have to test. You can not say fiber is bad just because your not more able to handle it. The problem actually people take conclusions on people that have health issues.
Got rid of almost all my arthritis and her Hives by giving up vegetables. Just tried it and that's what happened. Coincidence??? Not sure but not looking back!
It depends on the state of your gut and gut biome. You get your gut into a certain ecosystem, and then food won't agree with it. This is what is happening to people and why they can only eat certain foods, but this can be fixed by fixing the gut and gut biome.
Vegetables do harm a certain percentage of people and I think this is finally being accepted since more people are hearing about the carnivore diet. Since I've started eating animal based, I've tried spinach and beans and have decided those foods aren't for me anymore.
Sure, some vegetables harm some people under some conditions. Granted that is bio-atypical and normal digestive tolerance is tremendously versatile and robust because (for one) we're for the most part opportunistic omnivores evolutionarily (whether more predominantly plant or animal-based, the typical paleolithic pattern involved more than simply 1 whole-food source type). Anyway most people on a carnivorous diet found and went into it from relative desperation after trying multiple other avenues, in attempt to deal with major health struggles with autioimmune, histamine intolerant, persistent systemic inflammatory, major metabolic &/or other issues. Most folks can eat some berries, beans and plenty of other whole foods that are plant foods and be just fine lmao. Especially if they aren't shoveling adulterated or hyperprocessed junk "foods" down their throats on the regular (and continually repeating *_several_* other immuno-dysregulatory lifestyle behaviors, soaking up a variety of uneccessary environmental toxins on the regular, etc.)
It depends on the state of your gut and gut biome. You get your gut into a certain ecosystem, and then food won't agree with it. This is what is happening to people and why they can only eat certain foods, but this can be fixed by fixing the gut and gut biome.
This video really made me feel so much better. I have been eating all the these foods ad recently was so scared when I heard about antinutrients. Thank you so much. And actually from a real MD! Not a nutritionist
I've been eating red lentils, chicken breast and greens for my my biggest meal of the day and my gut has never felt better. Plus lost weight and maintained muscle. Works for me!
As for the six Blue Zones (where supposedly the longest-living people on earth live), on a podcast some days ago, I listened to Dr. Chaffee (who thinks the vegetarian nature of the Blue Zones is mostly a myth) interviewing Professor Bill Schindler on Sep 21, 2023. Dr. Schindler had recently traveled to Sardinia to the epicenter of the first identified Blue Zone, and lived with the Sardinians for some months. He witnessed many amazingly old people there. Schindler said that where the myth came from that the Sardinians eat only a vegetable diet, arose from a semantic mistake. The first researches asked the Sardinians when they ate meat, and they said they ate meat (pork) only on the weekend. That's when the whole village would roast a pig on a spit, and eat every part of the pig, not only the muscles, but the heart, the liver, the kidneys, and so on. However, the villagers meant that they only had this big, meat-centered, communal FEAST once on the weekends. The individual families also ate pork every day during the week, too! He said the Sardinians are essentially meat eaters, but also eat some legumes, especially tomatoes. Every family has at least one pig, and the place is overrun with pigs. The villagers are constantly walking very long distances back and forth across the hills every day, too.
Yes, that Blue Zone theory that they are planted based is being blown to smithereens. Dr. Saladino replayed a really good video he did a while ago that the Blue Zones DO eat a lot of animal proteins. Dr. Baker has done the same. And I love Dr. Chaffee. It's time this Blue Zone myth is exposed for the lie that it is.
In normal moderate amounts, probably fine for most people, but so many people these days, from omni health nuts to vegans, are determined to eat salads the size of their head, & chug litres of vegetable slurry, umpteen times daily. Inevitably there are problems. 🤷♀️
I think if you are genuinely concerned about the impact of food on your health, you will do your research and experiment with different combinations of food to find what works for you.
N=1. No vegetables for me. Cutting them out made a life improvement. “Some people ‘tolerate’ vegetables.” Isn’t tolerating a negative? I’m thriving on clean meat.
Some people can tolerate eating dairy, eggs, and fish. Others can't. Would you tell someone who has no problems eating eggs, milk, and fish to stop eating these foods because others have problems with them? This the problem we have in our society, we put our health problems on other people. Also, do you know if something is wrong with your gut? Do you have something undiagnosed possibly like sibo? 80% of people with ibs have some sort of sibo.
@@dieselbourbon3728 Tolerating what? Phytate, lectins, tannins etc... have anti-cancer properties. You aren't tolerating anything, these things are beneficial for your health. And lets not act like meat doesn't have things in it that aren't bad. Heme iron, heterocyclic amines, bio-accumulation of persistant organic pollutants and heavy metals etc... all these things are associated with an increased risk of cancer.
@@adim00lah I would suggest you look up the definition of the word tolerate but you seem like the type that ignores reality when it collides with your preconceptions. The word tolerate was used. Not thrive. Not do well. It was tolerate. At this point you have become intolerable.
Thank you Dr. Will and God bless you for setting me free of fear of anti-nutrients Thank you Thomas for having him give us such extremely important information!
i have major issues with oxalates (and many veggies and roots). potatoes, tomatoes, also. my skin gets real itchy & prickly. so much so that im taking a handful of Benadryl and antihistamines, and no allergy doctor will attribute it to food at all! but every time i fast, symptoms diminish greatly. Been doing mostly carnivore recently.... skin MUCH better!
It would be interesting to know how the blue zones prepare their legumes. Soaking and rinsing them before cooking makes them safer to eat. Dr. Gundry is very opposed to lectins in the diet and explains that there are many vegetables that can be consumed if they are prepared properly. In these modern days where so many short cuts are made with food, these traditional food preparation techniques have been lost. Raw diets I suspect cause a lot of problems. So many foods are made edible by cooking.
@@MajesticArtimus Yeah, and most dieticians today tell you seed oils are fine, fat will cause heart attacks, you need at least 60% of your diet to be from carbohydrates or you will die, and support the misguided food pyramid. I'll take a renowned cardiovascular surgeon and medical doctor who has done his research and experimentation on himself and others for the last 30 years over a 4 year dietician who learned how to promote the mainstream health nutrition that has made everyone fat and sick for the last 50 years.
Many people have a bad reaction to the heavy glyphosate sprayed on non-organic wheat rather than the wheat itself....have you tried organic wheat instead?
@asparks6463 Paul is actually a board certified Psychiatrist. Also his personal website he says “I attained a board certification as a Physician Nutrition Specialist.”
Thanks Thomas, it's always good to hear all sides of argument. I am just not so sure about the blue zones and legumes correlation. Could it be they all live with an abundance of fish and other sea food, home grown veggies and animals, low stres environment, family and friends tight communities and absence of highly processed foods? Or is it really the legumes?
Multiple reputable sources have raised major concerns about the entire blue zone and Mediterranean “diet”. Especially when other sources and people ACTUALLY living there report that people don’t eat like that and haven’t.
I think it is pretty hard to argue against people with arthritis, migraines, inflammation and auto-immune being helped or cured when cutting out breads, grains and starchy vegetables. There IS such a thing as plant anti-nutrients. It just doesn't negatively effect a good chunk of the population the way it does people with those kind of conditions.
@@sebk174 Here is a link to an NIH study with clinical trials that prove it works works in humans. Do you often talk out your butt? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6226005/
Omg thank you for the link !! I ordered the macadamia milk sachets 😊 can’t wait to try these ! - I’ll be forced to try the macadamia-nut milk with primal chi tea-keto collagen. My heart is so happy 🥹.
I love the inspiration I get from Mark Hyman because I personally feel balance equals perfection or Nirvana if you will and his " pegan" approach to diet, ( palm size amount of agriculturally regenerative ,grass fed and finished, wild caught " s.m.a.s.h." fish and meat and the other 75% of your plate low glycemic veggies and fruits) is the balanced approach I seek with nuts, and omega 3 rich oils. I personally feel vegan and carnivore is slightly out of balance. I also agree with consuming beans and legumes on a limited basis because I feel the fiber and polyphenol are invaluable but I prepare them perhaps in one or two dishes a month because I am trying to keep my glycemic load down. This is a great discussion, thank you!
Right i know my question may seem unrelated to the topic( or not?) but ive wanted to ask you so many times-i LOVE macca root powder and i dare to say i'm addicted to it😆( not sure if it's possible) but eat it every day -is this ok? I mean i sometimes can even consume 30g of it !? Is this healthy?? Or should i cut back on it??
I would like to see this guy debate Dr. Gundry that his whole thing is- Lectins are super bad. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle- Some people, not all, don't handle Lectins well at all, even in small amounts. For example he claims that Lectins cause migraines, but for me they don't.
So, if there is Scientific proof that all these antinutrients are nothing to be concerned about. Why even bring up methods to reduce them? Like: Soaking, cooking, fermenting etc?
Because what we’re concerned about is human health outcomes. To investigate how a certain food impacts this does it not make sense to research these based on how they’re actually cooked and prepared in the real world? It would be like saying we’re concerned about chicken consumption because of salmonella found in chicken. But in the real world people cook chicken. So we can’t really just say that we shouldn’t eat chicken because of salmonella.
Thomas I agree with you on people that are Carnivore based not adding other foods. I am primary Carnivore but so many people get into a dogmatic way of thinking that I tell those on Carnivore that when there was no meat we at different things. They did not turn down, tubers, fruits, nuts etc; it jus they did not have it all of the time and each person needs to find that sweets spot.
Thanks Thomas for doing this video. I was listening to someone who was talking about lectins and whatever else they vilified. After a while I thought, I don't quite buy into it. My mother ate all those foods on basically a Mediterranean diet. She was very healthy and she lived to be a hundred.
Thomas himself has vilified them in older videos. Its one thing to discover new info but he is either playing games or is not qualified to interpret studies. He will find some random study about a chemical or theoretical pathway that makes lectins anabolic. Next week they give you cancer. Its becoming frustrating.
@@jordanzakery9296 I get what saying. I remember one of the things in college I learned was to pay attention to who was backing a study, was it for their gain, etc. There are many subtle little things that can throw a study off to be inaccurate.
In traditional diets they are prepared properly to minimise the negative impacts. Also, people from those cultures are somewhat adapted. Additiinally, those who suffer negative outcomes are often consuming excessive amounts, trying to get more of their nutritiin from plants than they are suited to.
I went carnivore and feel better than ever. Within 10 days my chronic eczema disappeared. Sorry, but the argument that I should eat toxic plants because they “also” contain vitamins is not a strong argument. I’ve lost fat and gained muscle, bloating reduced and I sleep better.
Thomas you always out do yourself. The content is hitting all the thoughts I have in my head. This was really helpful. Massive thanks. Diversity within diet and consuming bad things does give benefit. Like life, diversify your portfolio and stress your body to get a rebound effect. As above so below!
😮So what about someone with a leaky gut? Cut out what has damaged your gut and then get back to lentils and legumes. For me now I can eat these high fibre and lectin foods.😊
a guy on survivor got sick from beans and had to leave lol but they are cooking in the forest nothing like at home and you can not worry about taking out hard ones
So many people claim health benefits from giving up vegetables. It is possible that plant defense chemicals are shortening peoples lifespans even if they feel "fine" or dont notice any ill effects. It's just hard to study. It's worth it for people to give them up if only for a decent period of time to see if they notice benefits.
It was scientific inquiry that led me to adopt a (whole foods, organic) vegan diet 28 years ago, so I am loving every minute of this. It’s just as satisfying as having (overweight, clearly unhealthy) doctors apologize to me for being wrong about plant-based diets for so long. I enjoy TD’s content, because - like any truth-seeker - I’m always looking to learn more and/or to be proven wrong. Hasn’t happened yet (regarding veganism), but I still enjoy watching Thomas. Don’t ask me why 🤷🏻♀️😉
I love that you mentioned you are looking to be proven wrong. That's so important in uncovering real objective truth. Put that to the test. Look into some ex-vegan carnivores and see what sorts of problems veganism had caused them (over the course of years if not decades) and how rejecting the plant-based rhetoric of our current society healed them though true bioavailable nutrition. This rabbit hole runs deep... REAL deep... So it's hard to see the truth through the all of the corporate propaganda out there selling us the lies of plant nutrition. I haven't touched a plant in over a year and have greatly improved several conditions I have. Thousands if not millions of others are doing the same, but the biggest impacts are those who come from veganism to discover carnivore. Do some research looking to prove yourself WRONG, as you have suggested, and see what you find. Congrats on your improved health so far and best of luck on your continuing journey for the trth. 🙂
@@corwynmatthew6625 You sound like a shill for the meat industry, ha. I can assure you that no one from the Broccoli Council of America ever convinced me (or paid me to say) that an organic, whole foods, vegan diet was optimal for me. I learned that over 3 decades, based on my own experience (which includes curing an ‘incurable’ disease), & continual scientific research. I have looked into the claims of many ‘ex-vegans’ and what I typically find are people who did not eat a *proper* vegan diet. They did not combine foods, to ensure that they were getting adequate nutrition; they gravitated towards a more ‘junk food’ version of a vegan diet, versus a healthy, minimally processed, organic version (supplemented with B12 & iodine, to play it safe); they felt limited in their food choices - perhaps they’re allergic to nuts or legumes, for example - so they gave it up; they had an eating disorder, so they used veganism as an excuse to not eat enough, etc… Yes, some health conditions appear to be alleviated for some people, when they eat more meat-based diets - but those people are likely sacrificing their long-term metabolic health in the process (especially if they are eating ‘factory farmed’ animals). Also, the elimination of processed foods, refined carbs, & gluten in meat-centered diets likely plays a major role in their recovery - so it’s not just the meat itself (& the exclusion of plants) that’s improving their condition. The most convincing science regarding *proper* plant-based diets for human health is vast at this point, & it’s overwhelmingly positive.
I personally don't have any problems with any beans and lentils, however with nuts it sometimes depends, I can overdo nuts but it might take several days or even a week of eating a good portion or portions of nuts to start feeling digestive trouble with nuts.
I think if you've always eaten a veriety of plant matter you'll do well, if you haven't, then suddenly intrducung more could be problematic UNTIL your gut gets used to it! People quit too soon! I can eat ANYTHING and be fine (if it's unprocessed) because I've always eaten EVERYTHING.
He can say whatever he wants. There are too many anecdotes of people getting better by excluding most plants. From my own experience, if phytates and oxalates didn't cause deficiencies, then explain why I became iron deficient eating mostly plants? If they were in balance then I would have a net plus. Also with fiber. I was eating whole grains, legumes etc and I got IBS from it. I didn't est dairy at the time which still is a problem but when I removed grains legumes and nuts all my IBS problems went away. Also when I stopped consuming high oxalate foods, I stopped having muscle pain. From the plant kingdom I only eat fruits because they're low in antinutrients and fiber
Just as many or more "anecdotes" of people thriving on keto with inclusion of vegetables/plants and legumes. SOME people -- especially those with autoimmune issues -- do poorly with essentially any plant matter. But many thrive on it. The evidence that oxalates, phytic acid, and anything else in plant matter is toxic us as a species whole is completely lacking. Indeed, the 5 longest living populations in the world in the 5 Blue Zones have a plant and legume rich diet. That's touched on but not really explored in this video.
Follow the money and then you can see why the recommendations are being made. It's not a coincidence that no research was cited but there are discount codes to a website for nuts on this post.
Nobody seems to blink an eye at eating multiple foods and Macro's together, Fat and carbs to excess in a meal invoke the Randal Cycle. Eating Meat with a lot of fibre and carbs bloats me, something I don't get if they are eaten separately.
4:35 makes sense to me. Just like how people say eating Kale is bad for you and that it has heavy metals etc etc etc. but at the same time Kale is a good detoxifying food wouldnt you think that part would basically remove the excess or damaging effects on heavy metals? Yes dont eat kale every meal but once or twice a week probably would be healthy.
The only thing I think was missing is he didnt say anything about for people that have Autoimmune diseases, since they usually or always have to remove alot of these food forever or for a very long time. Even when he mentioned that you can read it on the PubMed which I do alot and their studies also talk about avoiding alot of these foods since they can damage your gut when you have an autoimmune disease even tho you don't feel anything but most people do. Otherwise very informative video just hoped they would have taken up that in to their conversation, since so many follow Keto, Carnivore or AIP which takes away alot of these food as well for the body to be able to heal.
You and a lot of other people. I am undecided on the health of veg (in general and for myself). I was not particularly blown away by this guy. Bit of a clickbait title.
So glad you done this video i literally commented asking for this on a video a week or so ago. Probably a coincidence but thats answered some much need questions, thanks 🙏🙌
I enjoy watching your conversations! I personally can't do vegetables often even if I want to cheat on carnivore with keto, i am just really intolerant to anything that isn't meat or eggs, but I love vegetables so I usually live to regret that once every week or two weeks lol
There's at least one study which found by eating fermented foods you can replenish your microbiome to the point where you can eat vegetables again. Probiotics would probably work also. It's worth a try. Long term, it's much healthier to eat a lot of plants, if you can, especially for atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease.
@@jeffreyjohnson7359 no point trying to convince a carnivore, it's like trying to convert a christian to islam lol. It doesn't matter how many facts you present them they prefer to believe in fiction.
There has been some studies oxalate especially regular juicing, causing kidney failure and other symptoms. There have been some deaths using extreme juicing of oxalate. A friend of mine had this he was juicing all the classic ingredients that are promoting to be very healthy. He had to go on dialysis. Thankfully, he didn't need a kidney transplant
No one says that anti nutrients are to prevent insects from eating plants. They say that it helps prevent “predators” from eating the plant, and yes, we are predators to the plants.
I have tried to eat more legumes several times and I find myself very sensitive and I always failed to keep at it, because of the side effects like bloating, abdominal pain, heartburn, etc .. However I have discovered lately a brand of lentils that are cooked on steam and those aren't causing any of these problems to me. I guess most of the beans you buy are just not cooked enough or I am too sensitive. But there's a hope ..
11:56 It would be tolerance built up in baby steps, up to an individualized limit. By trial and error.😅 A question about how to consume plant food. Starchy fibrous tubers are cooked quite long to make it soft and suitable for swallowing, and to reduce anti-oxidant concentrations. The trendy overrated leafy varied-colored veggies are consumed raw in copious quantities. In the human digestive system, aren't raw green veggie matters more readily digested if these were partially broken down by cooking before getting it down into our stomach?
Moderation is appropriate for people who are healthy- I’m looking forward to that state, now I have arthritis in a few areas, I was prediabetic,3 of 5 measures, also they want to cut into my eyes to remove the cataracts. I’ve been dumping oxalates for over a year, every time I go off carnivore, I have wicked rashes….so once I’m healthy I’ll eat veggies.
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Interesting video. You should do one with Dr Gundry and a gastroenterologist. As you probably know, he is anti lectins. Not because they cause toxicity but because he claims they put holes in the gut lining and what then gets let into the body causes issues over a longer period of time IE not an immediate reaction.
I think that would make for a very interesting discussion.
I am just so confused 😕 everybody is saying something different, its literally impossible to know what is healthy or not these days to the point where the mental overload of stress about "is this Healthy or not" counteracts any real potential benefit of that diet😟
I should probably just give up and eat whatever as long as its whole food,
Does anyone feel the same?
Minimally processed food and exercise is most important. Keep it simple is what I try to do bc you can develop a “eating disorder” with the obsession. I listen to what they have to say and implement changes if I feel necessary.
Yes honestly I’ve stopped my internet time and gone back to reading books. ( only use internet library now ) Helped heaps. Listen to your body and focus on nourishing foods. Weston A Price nutritional degeneration great book.
Different people with different genetics and history react to things differently. I think once you cut out all the processed crap and sugars, the next thing is to experiment and find what feels right to you. Personally, I find a 'ketovore' blend works best, I was never a big salad person but I love veggies like green beans, okra, and I love some dairy and avocados. But being protein heavy reduced my overall intake and made it easier for me to stick to the diet.
But everyone is different :)
@@siaosanna exactly. The only issue I am having is that people are so dogmatic about this.
OP definitely relatable. Some good comments here for sure...I'll chip in my two cents also (beware, long read 📝)...
"...eat whatever as long as it is whole food..." not that simple to just end there but absolutely that is way to go and can go a long way in and of itself. Whether or not its exclusively or predominantly plant-based or animal-based, *whole-foods* is a core feature to aim at...some form of a modified paleolithic pattern. Also avoid glyphospate and other definitively toxic pesticides (particularly for the so-called 'dirty dozen' organic produce is preferred typically)
We all seem to want to jump to the intermediate or advanced minutiae many times but *_the fundamentals are the most vital to ensure are down pat_* yet universally overlooked ubiquitously. This literally cannot be emphasized enough. What are THE FUNDAMENTALS? For nutrition "fundamentals", the #1 necessary nutrient is essential electrolytes + clean H20 (hydration), then other primary essentials are sufficient bioavailable EAA-whole foods + bioavailable EFA-whole foods (also, EPA & DHA-containing O3 FAs), bioavailable essential vits sourced from whole foods ideally, essential minerals and trace minerals and I would highly recommend to consider seamoss, shilajit or similar multi-mineral + trace mineral supplement, pre- & pro-biotics foods daily [multiple times preferably but at least upon waking on empty stomach] and alternate to a different variety every now and then to help fertilize, optimize microbiome and facilitate beneficial pro-biotics...
Other than that, some certain complex carbohydrate foods, ideally or (circumstance-dependent) sometimes strategically selected/incorporated for their beneficial micro-nutritional or "nutraceutical" properties (such as berries containing antioxidants, red onions olives and capers containing quercetin, etc) and nutraceutical features (there are foods with naturally-occuring compounds conferring anti-bacterial, anti-viral, anti-fungal, immuno-modulatory, anti-inflammatory and inflammatory regulatory, chemopreventative, antihistamine, etc. effects) and other than the obvious no-no's (processed or certainly hyper-processed "food," fiber-less refined simple sugars, trans-fats & oxidized/degraded/toxic fatty acids, simultaneously high fat/carb combos, excessive incessant caffeine [though moderate organic green maca tea is probably least problematic], nicotine, etc. stimulants that sustain stress and/or contribute to immune, metabolic, etc. dysregulation or disrupts homeostatic stability otherwise...note for other nic heads - nicotine has vaso-constrictive, endothelial-disruptive, inflammatory-promoting adrenergenic, etc. properties - vaping or smoking is ABSOLUTELY contraindicated, however even lozenges or patches (least harmful) aren't benign/will carry the aforementioned nicotine effects), also avoid vit C, antioxidant, melatonin [use organic tart cherry juice instead] etc. supplements generally rather *derive from real whole food sources* instead for best bioavailability, efficacy, and biomechanistic synergistics)...
Ain't just about what you consume but also absorption (optimize nutrients bioavailability and integrity, mitigate antinutrients and toxins so example for spinach, best to blanch it), chronobiology/when you consume, frequency/how often, what is consumed with what (e.g., again simultaneously high fat/carb combo contraindicated...whereas in case of water-soluble or fat-soluble or other bioavailability cofactor conditions, they support each other...)
☀️🌳 'More green time, less screen time' (better air quality, countless other solid reasons just do it), healthy (oxytocin, dopamine and serotonin-stimulating) social interconnections, and other critically pertinent lifestyle-based factors *_synergize with nutrition_* as to help it confer benefits or can (to varying levels) degrade/inhibit its capacity to do good if these other such essential factors are notably neglected or significantly compromised. Isn't just about each "factor" per se; qualitative and quantitative aspects matter here too for each so just as with nutrition, consider content, contextual co-factor aka dynamic processing, dosing, frequency, amount, pacing..for instance exercise is good but depending on these attributes it can be hormetic (good) or harmful (bad). Again using exercise example, re: "cofactor conditions" attribute - while rested, good, whereas under conditions of sleep deprivation, potentially bad/the positive adaptive response to exercise is more limited and depending on extent can even be so compromised as to entail the exercise session does more harm than good if too intensive for example...
But anyway these other baseline essential factors aka, the other holistic health "fundamentals" include, i.e., _paced_ exercise _and regular movement_ as well as circadian control of light exposure and "stress management" ..."stress management" is broad, think big (anything that stresses your biology from base level up thru psyche) and also again remember not just to mentalize it as all bad per se b/c technically it includes (dis)stress _as well as_ hormetic (eu)stress (most common examples include thermal therapy aka heat shock + cold shock, autophagy-promoting periodic prolonged hydrated fasts, etc.) - basically you want your overall ANS (nervous system) to be in the PNS activated state more often than not (vice the SNS being more active)...just as with chronic low-grade inflammation (type of excessively prolonged physical stress), chronic low-grade stress otherwise (e.g., psycho-social), is to be minimized and mitigated. Whereas generally speaking (when not ill for instance) as the relative norm, acute stress that the biosystem is _promptly_ able to recover from and return more to parasympathetic status from - that is better (to over-simplify it perhaps)
Other than the aforementioned fundamentals (are first and foremost, revisit research routinely), I would suggest that it could be of benefit to generically give particular attention to certain other aspects...example core features to optimize might include
1) prometabolic (restoring mitochondrial/bio-energetic function)
2) optimizing microbiome [gastrointestinal system contains majority of immune cells]
3) optimizing neural health
3) other key aspects that affect anything along the 'mind-body' chain
(simplistically described in an arguably arbitrary-ish way but that highlights some of the notable 'nodes' - anything along the psycho-cerebro-neuro-gastro-immuno-baseline biophysical chain)
4) others at or suspected at the pathological roots of a major illness you are working on recovering from
5) those more directly relating to something(s) in particular you are targeting/wanting to work on and/or optimize
While limited and perhaps missing a couple key features or aspects (idk), I'm sure that for most all biotypical adult humans, the above encapsulates the jist of a robust (evidentially and logically sound) bedrock for holistic human health (brief, rough overview guidelines).
As with many aspects in life, ongoing 'experimental' trial and error should arguably play somewhat of a core role, and indeed to some extent 'bio-individuality' does inhibit us from precisely prescribing every detail for everyone
Simplify or write down and stick with the fundamentals (routinely revisit periodically). Beyond that (frontload fundamentals), then gradually (*incrementally*) learn and incorporate particulars and more nuance within reason (re: invested time spent) given your priorities, schedule, etc. - rather than constantly worrying daily trying to perfect or ensure certainty about every detail all the time, obsessively researching non-stop or falling into what you would consider an eating disorder from the obsession, etc.) Point of diving into this is supposed to make our (and others' if so decided) life better not worse lol
He is right. The fact most people consume 60% of calories from ultra processed foods is mind blowing. Just changing that would go a long way
Cooking is essentiel in alcamyia and for sleep...?
If we could just go back to the 70s… Just look at video footage from that time and you can see people were not hooked on processed food yet.
Exactly!
Yes!
Exactly. This is among the TOP 3 (at LEAST) elephants in the room seriously. Obvious AF.
I've been to multiple gastrointestinal docs in multiple states. IMO none of them know the answers. Each individual is different and if you eat something that bothers you....... stop eating it. I have crohns. And my body thrives on keto/carnivore.
I'm the same, I get gout and thrive on Keto and fasting. All symptoms are controlled when I'm in ketosis but I've no Idea why, while others get attacks while fasting/keto.
@@RogerS1978 That's awesome! I've heard that uric acid (increased by fructose) can cause gout flares. Keto is low in fructose. Maybe that's one pathway.
It certainly seems there is no doubt a genetic issue to it all. What part of the world your family tree roots go to and therefore what your ancestors ate seem to be a key factor to not one size fitting all.
Agreed ! It's anecdotal but when I started raw Kale smoothies I developed Crohns disease - at the age of 70 !!!!!. Low Carb Ketovore really helped, along with intermittent fasting and replenishing my gut biome. My Iron levels are back to normal, my bowels are moving well, so I just pronounced myself cured. I've learned to listen to my body first.
@@MajesticArtimus Exactly so. I like to sautee a few veg in butter ( Brussels sprouts and mushrooms is a favourite ) so the veg content of a meal becomes more of a sauce for the protein.
A bigger concern that most people aren't aware of is the vegetable seed production industry, which is constantly manipulating strains of vegetables in the chase of their own easy to grow and sell product with little regard for nutritional value. In the Mediterranean they grow organically and grow heirloom varieties which most of the world doesn't. Your best bet is to grow your own food rather than buy it, grow heirloom varieties and do it organically
Absolutely!
Yea this is what I try and do, it’s almost a full time job though, i have an allotment and see so many folk who get one never do anything with it as they just don’t have the time. For 6 months of the year it’s relentless, but I feel blessed to have the opportunity to grow the majority of our salad and veg. I was a very successful sales person for a number of years, no amount of sales awards come close to the joy of seeing your friends and family eat a plate of food that you’ve grown.
Thomas, in an industry that's highly polarizing in terms of diet/lifestyle and what you should/shouldn't eat, I highly respect your ability to listen and learn. So many people get attached to one thing or another and allow their bias to dismiss the science. Always adapting, always changing. It's refreshing and gives credence to what you say.
Indeed. Thomas isn't tribal.
I don't agree, I believe Thomas is biased and is dismissing some major science which doesn't seem his style, but Thomas has not given the carnivore diet the credit it deserves, I don't think Thomas really believes it works when it has helped more people than keto itself. It's possible he may look into this and be surprised that carnivore may actually work even better than keto, I think it's hard for most people to believe that, it was hard for me to believe it until I finally tried it myself after doing keto for 2 years which I had great success with keto. People asked me why would I try a different diet when keto worked so well, I told them how would I know if I didn't give it a fair shot to see. I didn't expect better results from carnivore, I assumed at best case it would perform maybe as well as keto but I really didn't expect it to, but I actually did even slightly better and was finally able to add muscle at my age which I had been struggling for over a year working out at 52 years old. Not to mention I also stopped getting sunburned on carnivore, not sure what the science is on that, but playing golf, I would get red on the arms after a few hours out, that didn't happen on keto, kinda weird. Energy is about the same on both keto and carnivore. But overall I have been very satisfied on carnivore. I will say I missed things like avocado and blueberries so I now do ketovore by going 90% carnivore and 10% plant based but healthwise I didn't need the 10% plant based items, but I do enjoy them so I have a little now.
@shawnlewis1918 other than autoimmune, histamine intolerant, persistent systemic inflammatory or other such uncommon conditions that a majority of carnivore dieters tend to derive from, as a universally optimal for everyone nutritional pattern, it just lacks hard evidence for that when there is so much inter-demographic variation, bio-individuality, etc. and considering paleo, keto, WFPB, etc. (real food diets), especially if modified and/or used with particular guide rails in place, show fantastic results for so many people already/also anyway...
@shawnlewis1918 Thomas is literally among the least tribal, most reasonably equitable (in impartially covering basically every major diet type) nutritional subject matter experts you'll come across.
@@HazardousHumorHQ I'm not talking about covering...I'm talking about his personal opinion and though I have heard him mention carnivore, he seems to not give credit to this VERY credit worthy diet that has helped hundreds of thousands of people who have tried themselves and had great success.
Well I didn't learn much from the Gastro, but Thomas' last statement about treating veg as a supplement ? Love it. I've come to the same conclusion myself. Last night I had a lovely fatty steak with a small portion of Brussels Sprouts and Mushrooms sauteed in butter. Basically the Veggies were a sauce that made the whole meal more satiating.
That's exactly how I do it too. I can't eat ground beef with nothing. Not to insult the cow, but it's disgusting.
This
I like to sauté onions jalapeños and minced garlic in butter as a side to a fat juicy steak. Adds some flavor.
I am 84 and my only issues are that I am trifle hypo-glycemic and hypo-tense but quite active. And I am a vegetarian. Hard to generalise. Virtually all my friends who ate largely meat and dairy have been having issues affecting the brain
“Science strongly confirms” doesn’t hold much water these days.
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translation - "allopathic medical quackery" confirms
@@mwhite4764 Science has proven itself discredited over covid. Never trust them again.
“It is obvious” is another good one. ☝🏻
Science has always been that way. It makes lots of mistakes and itself corrects overtime. It has issues with corruption for the sake of profit or prestige and it has people fighting that corruption. Science self corrects overtime but definitely has flaws. It's really unfortunate the way people take such a small perspective on science that doesn't look at the whole ecosystem of the whole of Science, and its history. Your statement is part of a viral mentality that is not helpful and it's not accurate with it's over generalization. I don't know anybody who professionally has a career in the sciences and makes these kind of generalized conclusions that all Science is bad these days. The problem these days is that lay people who don't understand the whole scientific process at a deeper intellectual level but have endless access to science these days make conclusions that really just don't match reality.
although i love plant foods, I've felt better off of them. after i reach my health goals on carnivore i want to start adding some foods back to see how they make me feel
I’m animal based but I do like this guy, great to look at other perspectives and go against your bias.
What is animal based?
Where are all the 90 year olds on animal based diets?
Carnivore, when keto got so popular that it went to 4chan 🤮
Where are the 90 y.o. vegans?
Lectins definitely do hurt lots of people. Clearing out high lectin foods finally helped get rid of my SIBO and other gut problems.
😂 your logic is akin to, I am poor therefore everyone must be poor
LOL. don’t believe this
@@uog293 You are wrong. His logic is like saying, he is poor and some other people are poor too. There is a big difference between "some" and "everyone".
So you got a sibo test showing you no longer have the infection after cutting out lectins?
Or is just that you still have sibo, and now that you cut out lectins, you feel better. Symptom reduction does not mean you healed your gut.
@@Xerrash If you're going to respond to comments, you need to read them more carefully. And never preface your statement with 'You are wrong'.
It’s not about not dying, but about thriving. Nevertheless, is good to know that eating some antinutrients every once in a while and in SMALL doses might have beneficial effects. As the old saying goes, the difference between medicine and poison in in the dose.
The problem with this logic stating that in small doses these poisons can be helpful is that we have no idea what that dose is. It is also the case that just ONE of these toxins can be helpful in the right dose, but we (as a society) are consuming literally hundreds of them daily, and for our entire lives. THIS is the true danger: The fact that we have no clue how much is too much for us individually and no technology that can track it to show real-time evidence of what these things are doing to us. Yes, if you are a healthy individual, small amounts are obviously not going to hurt you (as he said, "we are not insects"), but I wouldn't count on getting that perfect dose that is actually beneficial. It's too convenient for them to sell you that concept and have you say "Oh, cool, I'll eat some of these poisons for their hormetic (beneficial) health effect," all while there's no way to know if you're actually receiving that effect. And, on the flipside, if you are a healthy person, by the time these things start to cause problems (decades later) we don't think that it's the plants that are causing them because, after all, we have been eating them all are lives so it must be something else. Nah, man... It's the damn plants. It just takes decades for them to break down our defenses and for us to become intolerant to them. And at that point, even just tiny doses become problematic, causing chronic inflammation and all of the degenerative diseases that our society is suffering from today.
@@corwynmatthew6625 If plants break down our defense, why do people eating plant seems to be healthier in these countries and make it over 100 years? Like Monaco and other Mediterranean countries.
@hesitatenothing the data showing this is cherry-picked; Its biased data, for one. Secondly, it's comparing to people who eat meat, sure, but who also eat processed foods (which the vast majority of are made from plants). Granted, those processed plant foods often have man made compounds in them like shelf stabilizers and artificial flavors, but the majority of these products are plant products. This means these people who are living longer are not necessarily doing so because of what they are eating, but rather what they are NOT eating: processed plant foods. Thirdly, they live much different lifestyles that are more family oriented and tend to have greater support structures. Fourth: because they're filling their bellies with undigestable plant fibers, they are absorbing less calories overall and are not obese. This allows them to remain active when they are older, which signals the body to protect its lean mass, which regulates our metabolism, keeping us metabolically healthy and, therefore, improving longevity. If, instead of comparing to people eating processed junk, the data was (objectively) compared to long-term carnivores, it's very likely it would look differently. The problem here is that there is no long-term data on modern carnivores yet to show this, so we have to dig deeper and extrapolate a best guess based on more thorough and objective consideration that isn't tainted by corporate marketing that's simply trying to sell a product. And lastly, according to geneticists, humans should be living to be 120 years old if nothing gets in our way. So, these people who are living to be 100 are dying early. Something is killing them, and that something is their diet. Especially considering modern advancements in medicine. With our current medical knowledge, we should be living well OVER 120 years, and yet most of us clock out in our 70s. (There's much, much more to this, but we have to find it all for ourselves; me telling you doesn't do any good until you independently verify the reasoning. Good luck in your search for the truth 👍)
awesome interview. Ever since i added more beans to my diet, I got stronger and feel better, but the key is to experiment what is the right amount for you.
There are also two kinds of foods: GMO foods with glyphosate or actual real organic foods without poison. The first group really causes the gastrointestinal issues 💯 percent of the time.
That is a very much neglected subject...GMO, non organic, seed oils & processed foods are the main causes of harmful food issues.
Yep. Any discussion about vegetables needs to include the pesticide issue. If you don't make a distinction between organic and non organic in this context, results are just super confusing.
Organic plants are still sprayed with harmful pesticides. Still better for your body than what most people eat in the US though.
@@justadude4826 absolutely. People somehow think ‘GMO’ is synonymous with ‘toxic’. Not at all the case. I learned about how they work in an intro biology course.
@@justadude4826 ....you are talking about hybrid produce not GMO's which are totally different....hybrids are just different types of produce that are combined while GMO's are changed at the DNA level....GMO's are not natural & don't fit with our bodies physiology.
Nice to know that one of my favorite weekly meal preps, making a big pot of beef or chicken chili with beans, is now something you guys are highly recommending to the world, awesome validation for what i've been doing! Thank you for the info Dr. Bulsiewicz and keep up the great work Thomas!
I had chronic muscle cramps killing me when I tried to sleep, for over a decade. Only removing plants fixed this! Anti nutrients bind magnesium. I will subject myself to a study right now, feed me oats and my calfs will cramp.
More potassium/ magnesium less sodium 2 weeks
Avoid glyphosate
Oats is not a good example because of the glyphosate, what about legumes…. Did you try supplementing with magnesium, we should all be doing this anyway
so your Gut is not working correctly anymore. try to restore the gut lining.
Oats are not a good example because people often consume the more processed none organic verieties and often uncooked (Museli etc.). Also the magnesium lost does not outway the magnesium gained!
Certain plants are very beneficial, extremely so. Knowing which ones they are is the trick and knowing how much of them to consume. And you gotta know how to correctly prepare them
Plants in general are beneficial I eat large variety all the time no issues raw vegan 4yrs vegan 6yrs in total
@@donewittit6607 👍
Thing is, I know a lot of people who've had problems with their health and once they cut out vegetables (not all vege but a significant amount) they felt a 100x better.
Not trying to bash vege. I still eat it them myself. But for others, it may be beneficial to cut them out
Agree. Especially for some people with autoimmune issues. But to say that plants are toxic to us as a species whole and that humans are not evolutionarily equipped to eat carbohydrates is counterfactual nonsense. Humans have been eating vegetables and some fruit since our earliest days as a species.
@@lassoingdraco, what's wrong with Listeria, E.Coli and Salmonella ?
It’s the nasty glyphosates and GMOs. The food industry ruined vegetables and now they are trying to eliminate meats in the name of climate issues. If they have their way, everyone will be sick like veterans after their terrible foods they are fed during their service.
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Agree! I am one of those people 😊
I cheat and have keto vegetables occasionally and get really sick because they are too delicious to pass up at times though lol
Not sure, I’m a fit guy, In shape. Eat clean whole foods. But when I eat spinach, broccoli, it just wrecks my gut. I get bloated etc. but when I cut it out, I felt great, no more bloating and flat stomach. I basically cut out night shades and feel great.
Interesting ; what veggies do you have now ?
Do you cook these items- make a huge difference
It depends on the state of your gut and gut biome. You get your gut into a certain ecosystem, and then food won't agree with it. This is what is happening to people and why they can only eat certain foods, but this can be fixed by fixing the gut and gut biome.
You say your healthy but are you actually healthy if this is happening with these foods?
Has to do with your gut. And others who experience the same thing. For me broccoli, aragula, bok choi and lettuce give me better feeling than anything else. ppl are different what it seems
Might’ve missed it but I don’t feel like you guys debunked oxalate. It came up early, but he didn’t give an opinion on it.
😊1:43 He said “when consumed in moderation they are beneficial to our health”
@@cmoorhead1literally lies
apparently it should be no concern if you get calcium in with some cheese or other food with it,
Oxalates should be kept to a minimum imo. Even as a vegetarian I focus on low oxalate legumes, greens, fruits, seeds etc....
Eating vegetables, fruits, and beans have shown to increase longevity, so you don't want to entirely cut these foods out, you just want to focus on the healthiest ones.
Never seen a 90+ year old on an animal based diet, have you?
Appreciate the diversity of content - even if it is counter to personal beliefs.
Always worth understanding the counter narratives.
Glucose Goddess…. Saladino…. now this guy….
I’m more confused now than ever 🙃
@@RinaValentina I smell cigarettes...
And that's how you adult
@@RinaValentinaI feel that. Im a huge advocate of carnivore but I'm mixing in a little fiber now cause it "helps". Sometimes you just gotta gamble with this stuff cause overabundance of information
@@New_Creature_ eating fibre is gambling with stuff, my goodness you are playing with your life man! Plants are killing us!
Diets high in grains and nuts have too much phytic acid. My teeth became soft. When I cut the foods high in phytic acid, my teeth hardened and pain went away. You can remineralize your teeth. It works. That was many years ago.
Yea GRAIN Is unhealthy. Not plants
@@abaddonmorningstar8871 Def not against plant 🌱 I enjoy many plants and sprouts etc. But people should never go for nuts and legumes as a main source of protein. They contain phytic acid that also softens bones and teeth. Vegans suffer the most.
@@abaddonmorningstar8871grains are born? Grains are seeds of the plant they grew from!🤯
@Novmacar I knew you would say some dumb shit like that.
I'm not saying grain isn't plant based. I'm saying grain is bad. Not a plant based diet.
Learn to use your brain.
@@TheLavenderLover yea. It really doesn't. Lack of protein and exercise do that. As well as no vitamin d and magnesium.
And guess what a good source of magnesium is. A plant based diet
This approach works with alcohol too. One night of every month drink a case of beer and a bottle of wine. Might be a little sluggish the next day, but you feel AMAZING for the next 29 days. Proof that the alcohol is 100% beneficial to your health. You can thank me later :)
Things got very confusing for me when I started hearing veggies and legumes are bad. So glad to hear they’re invited back to the party 🎉
They're bad.
@@nevinkuser9892Bullshit
The key word is in moderation. What the level is would be individualized. Remember toxicity is a level, not a compound.
I was also in the same boat thinking moderation is key. However, even moderation has effects on your body which I never thought would happen eating clean organic veggies and fruit. Only when I cut them did I notice the ill effects I had. More energy, better immunity and many more. Oxalates and others build up in your system over time hurting you in the long run.
I haven't checked the history of this channel, but I want to see if Thomas will be giving Sally k Norton equal time on this channel. Right out of the gate it appears that this gastroenterologist believes that what she has to say is completely incorrect.
I actually owe the quality of my life to Sally's work. There is so much improvement in my health since I reduced the vegetables and nuts that tend to have high oxalate loads. I don't follow her suggestions because I blindly believe she has some kind of knowledge, I follow her suggestions because when I do I have far less pain. And, of course, she is not the only person who sounds the alarm in regards to oxalates.
I don't know why it is so hard for people to understand EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT...I am older & have zero problems with plant foods & it's the same with most people i know....sure some have issues but not nearly everyone....our ancestors have eaten an omnivore diet for thousands of years so it is part of our DNA.
@@MrGarymola Indeed, you cannot make blanket recommendations, people should try different things.
@@MrGarymolatrue but it was 80%+ meat and seasonal produce. We are now 70% plants and not seasonally.
@@rosssundberg5510 ....it was a different diet in different areas so you can't put a blanket statement on it.
@@MrGarymolaHumans are not different. We are more than 99% the same, with the same mechanics. What works for one will generally work for the next person. Sure some people have genetic predispositions but those are statistically insignificant. You will never know the effects of something until you get rid of it from your system.
❤ this interview. Definitely one of your best. I ❤️ how you lay out the logic behind your statements. Both of you make so much sense.
Contrary to what doctors and dieticians recommend, I'm 100% sure that me, my mother and my brothers feel a lot better if we do not eat fiber. I mean, we use the carnivore diet as medicine for when symptoms of IBS arise, and it works. Fiber makes me bloated, have irregular bowel movements, too much bowel movements, gas, sometimes low energy and mood. Going carnivore makes me feel excellent in every way. This is the opposite of all of what doctors and scientists say, yet we, and many other people, are proof that it works.
You need fiber to detox the liver.
@@Psycheman-l8i
no you don't.
@@Psycheman-l8i no you need Meridian balance & exercise + stop sugar.
@@Psycheman-l8iNo you don't.
Yes because your digestive system not works anymore, you have to fix it slowely and once is fixed increase fiber extremely slowly.then tolerance of it is different for each people have to test. You can not say fiber is bad just because your not more able to handle it. The problem actually people take conclusions on people that have health issues.
Thomas is very easy-going (no criticism intended). I would love to see this doctor talking with Paul Saladino.
Not fine for me at all . Triggers autoimmune reaction .
Got rid of almost all my arthritis and her Hives by giving up vegetables. Just tried it and that's what happened. Coincidence??? Not sure but not looking back!
There are studies linking arthritis and fiber.
If you live in the West glyphosate is the cause
Similar here. I eat them sparingly.
CARNIVORE ASK THE WAY FOR ME!!❤
It depends on the state of your gut and gut biome. You get your gut into a certain ecosystem, and then food won't agree with it. This is what is happening to people and why they can only eat certain foods, but this can be fixed by fixing the gut and gut biome.
Vegetables do harm a certain percentage of people and I think this is finally being accepted since more people are hearing about the carnivore diet. Since I've started eating animal based, I've tried spinach and beans and have decided those foods aren't for me anymore.
Sure, some vegetables harm some people under some conditions. Granted that is bio-atypical and normal digestive tolerance is tremendously versatile and robust because (for one) we're for the most part opportunistic omnivores evolutionarily (whether more predominantly plant or animal-based, the typical paleolithic pattern involved more than simply 1 whole-food source type).
Anyway most people on a carnivorous diet found and went into it from relative desperation after trying multiple other avenues, in attempt to deal with major health struggles with autioimmune, histamine intolerant, persistent systemic inflammatory, major metabolic &/or other issues. Most folks can eat some berries, beans and plenty of other whole foods that are plant foods and be just fine lmao.
Especially if they aren't shoveling adulterated or hyperprocessed junk "foods" down their throats on the regular (and continually repeating *_several_* other immuno-dysregulatory lifestyle behaviors, soaking up a variety of uneccessary environmental toxins on the regular, etc.)
Lol based on the comments section everyone sends to think they are that 0.05% of people who "cannot" tolerate
It depends on the state of your gut and gut biome. You get your gut into a certain ecosystem, and then food won't agree with it. This is what is happening to people and why they can only eat certain foods, but this can be fixed by fixing the gut and gut biome.
Same reason some ppl go vegetarians. Meat upsets some ppl's stomach and so do milk to lactose intolerant.
This video really made me feel so much better. I have been eating all the these foods ad recently was so scared when I heard about antinutrients. Thank you so much. And actually from a real MD! Not a nutritionist
I've been eating red lentils, chicken breast and greens for my my biggest meal of the day and my gut has never felt better. Plus lost weight and maintained muscle. Works for me!
I've been buying and eating cans of cooked pinto beans... but I am concerned about the BPA linings in the cans and added canola oil...
BUy dry beans and cook them yourself, you can cook large batches and then freeze it in portions
As for the six Blue Zones (where supposedly the longest-living people on earth live), on a podcast some days ago, I listened to Dr. Chaffee (who thinks the vegetarian nature of the Blue Zones is mostly a myth) interviewing Professor Bill Schindler on Sep 21, 2023. Dr. Schindler had recently traveled to Sardinia to the epicenter of the first identified Blue Zone, and lived with the Sardinians for some months. He witnessed many amazingly old people there. Schindler said that where the myth came from that the Sardinians eat only a vegetable diet, arose from a semantic mistake. The first researches asked the Sardinians when they ate meat, and they said they ate meat (pork) only on the weekend. That's when the whole village would roast a pig on a spit, and eat every part of the pig, not only the muscles, but the heart, the liver, the kidneys, and so on. However, the villagers meant that they only had this big, meat-centered, communal FEAST once on the weekends. The individual families also ate pork every day during the week, too! He said the Sardinians are essentially meat eaters, but also eat some legumes, especially tomatoes. Every family has at least one pig, and the place is overrun with pigs. The villagers are constantly walking very long distances back and forth across the hills every day, too.
Yes, that Blue Zone theory that they are planted based is being blown to smithereens. Dr. Saladino replayed a really good video he did a while ago that the Blue Zones DO eat a lot of animal proteins. Dr. Baker has done the same. And I love Dr. Chaffee. It's time this Blue Zone myth is exposed for the lie that it is.
In normal moderate amounts, probably fine for most people, but so many people these days, from omni health nuts to vegans, are determined to eat salads the size of their head, & chug litres of vegetable slurry, umpteen times daily. Inevitably there are problems. 🤷♀️
I think if you are genuinely concerned about the impact of food on your health, you will do your research and experiment with different combinations of food to find what works for you.
N=1. No vegetables for me. Cutting them out made a life improvement.
“Some people ‘tolerate’ vegetables.” Isn’t tolerating a negative? I’m thriving on clean meat.
Same here. Vegetables are bullsh*t
Some people can tolerate eating dairy, eggs, and fish. Others can't. Would you tell someone who has no problems eating eggs, milk, and fish to stop eating these foods because others have problems with them?
This the problem we have in our society, we put our health problems on other people.
Also, do you know if something is wrong with your gut? Do you have something undiagnosed possibly like sibo?
80% of people with ibs have some sort of sibo.
@@adim00lahit's obvious you completely missed the point of tolerating is not a positive.
@@dieselbourbon3728 Tolerating what? Phytate, lectins, tannins etc... have anti-cancer properties. You aren't tolerating anything, these things are beneficial for your health.
And lets not act like meat doesn't have things in it that aren't bad. Heme iron, heterocyclic amines, bio-accumulation of persistant organic pollutants and heavy metals etc... all these things are associated with an increased risk of cancer.
@@adim00lah I would suggest you look up the definition of the word tolerate but you seem like the type that ignores reality when it collides with your preconceptions. The word tolerate was used. Not thrive. Not do well. It was tolerate. At this point you have become intolerable.
Thank you Dr. Will and God bless you for setting me free of fear of anti-nutrients Thank you Thomas for having him give us such extremely important information!
i have major issues with oxalates (and many veggies and roots). potatoes, tomatoes, also. my skin gets real itchy & prickly. so much so that im taking a handful of Benadryl and antihistamines, and no allergy doctor will attribute it to food at all! but every time i fast, symptoms diminish greatly. Been doing mostly carnivore recently.... skin MUCH better!
It would be interesting to know how the blue zones prepare their legumes. Soaking and rinsing them before cooking makes them safer to eat. Dr. Gundry is very opposed to lectins in the diet and explains that there are many vegetables that can be consumed if they are prepared properly. In these modern days where so many short cuts are made with food, these traditional food preparation techniques have been lost. Raw diets I suspect cause a lot of problems. So many foods are made edible by cooking.
Indeed.
@@MajesticArtimus Yeah, and most dieticians today tell you seed oils are fine, fat will cause heart attacks, you need at least 60% of your diet to be from carbohydrates or you will die, and support the misguided food pyramid. I'll take a renowned cardiovascular surgeon and medical doctor who has done his research and experimentation on himself and others for the last 30 years over a 4 year dietician who learned how to promote the mainstream health nutrition that has made everyone fat and sick for the last 50 years.
I do much better without wheat and keeping fiber low. Not to say I won't eat veggies in moderation, but I feel much better since I've limited them.
Many people have a bad reaction to the heavy glyphosate sprayed on non-organic wheat rather than the wheat itself....have you tried organic wheat instead?
Same here.
Dr Gundry. I am so glad I use my own intuition. So many studies over looked. Thanks Thomas for shining a light on it.
I can tell you this as fact. Whatever plants are trying to do to keep from being eaten by insects ain't working. Come tour my garden.
Thanks for another great video. You kind of glossed over oxalates, looked I've heard more discussion about them.
Of all the issues with plants, oxalates are the worst.
Of course a gastroenterologist wants you to keep eating plants. He'd be out of a job if people didn't.
@@aparksmusicPaul is not practicing medicine
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@@aparksmusic he's actually a psychiatrist
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Paul Saladino is not a gastroenterologist. He's a psychiatrist who is also board certifed in Physician Nutrition.
@asparks6463 Paul is actually a board certified Psychiatrist. Also his personal website he says “I attained a board certification as a Physician Nutrition Specialist.”
Thanks Thomas, it's always good to hear all sides of argument. I am just not so sure about the blue zones and legumes correlation. Could it be they all live with an abundance of fish and other sea food, home grown veggies and animals, low stres environment, family and friends tight communities and absence of highly processed foods? Or is it really the legumes?
Multiple reputable sources have raised major concerns about the entire blue zone and Mediterranean “diet”. Especially when other sources and people ACTUALLY living there report that people don’t eat like that and haven’t.
I think it is pretty hard to argue against people with arthritis, migraines, inflammation and auto-immune being helped or cured when cutting out breads, grains and starchy vegetables. There IS such a thing as plant anti-nutrients. It just doesn't negatively effect a good chunk of the population the way it does people with those kind of conditions.
Im so glad he talked about Oxalates!
Tried to add mung beans, purple sweet potato and pumpkin seeds in my diet, my gf wants to break up because of my excessive gas and bloating.
Lol add chia seeds my bro, it will sort you out
Fermentation in the gut is what's healthy! It means your gut microbes are doing their job!
@@richardmiddleton7770our stomachs are not designed to ferment vegetables. Gas and bloating should not be perceived as symptoms of a healthy gut.
I don't eat beans or potatoes but I do eat pumpkin seeds. However, I buy sprouted pumpkin seeds and they don't give me gas.
@@NPow94Not sure if its just your stomach? No gases here anyway lol
Put your seat belt on.
* *unlocks the seatbelt* *
Why
@@willj8814 you'll know one day when you come to a sudden stop.
I wish sources were provided to validate the claims stated.
He said PubMed
What about the disturbing findings of pesticides in legumes etc. ?
I love any video with Dr.Bulsiewics - Feel I learn so much every time!
Lets just bring on professor Thomas Seyfried on this channel once and for all!
Great video. Isothiocyanates repair DNA and are found in many cruciiferous and green leafy vegetables.
Horseradish! Wasabi!
In a lab in a Petri dish, not in humans.
@@sebk174 Here is a link to an NIH study with clinical trials that prove it works works in humans. Do you often talk out your butt? www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6226005/
Omg thank you for the link !! I ordered the macadamia milk sachets 😊 can’t wait to try these ! - I’ll be forced to try the macadamia-nut milk with primal chi tea-keto collagen. My heart is so happy 🥹.
I love the inspiration I get from Mark Hyman because I personally feel balance equals perfection or Nirvana if you will and his " pegan" approach to diet, ( palm size amount of agriculturally regenerative ,grass fed and finished, wild caught " s.m.a.s.h." fish and meat and the other 75% of your plate low glycemic veggies and fruits) is the balanced approach I seek with nuts, and omega 3 rich oils. I personally feel vegan and carnivore is slightly out of balance. I also agree with consuming beans and legumes on a limited basis because I feel the fiber and polyphenol are invaluable but I prepare them perhaps in one or two dishes a month because I am trying to keep my glycemic load down. This is a great discussion, thank you!
Right i know my question may seem unrelated to the topic( or not?) but ive wanted to ask you so many times-i LOVE macca root powder and i dare to say i'm addicted to it😆( not sure if it's possible) but eat it every day -is this ok? I mean i sometimes can even consume 30g of it !? Is this healthy?? Or should i cut back on it??
I would like to see this guy debate Dr. Gundry that his whole thing is- Lectins are super bad. Maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle- Some people, not all, don't handle Lectins well at all, even in small amounts. For example he claims that Lectins cause migraines, but for me they don't.
Listen to Dr Anthony Chaffee and Prof Bart Kay.
4:22 same here, never heard of anyone having this problem eating grains. Only some youtube doctors and ppl on comment have mentioned it.
So, if there is Scientific proof that all these antinutrients are nothing to be concerned about. Why even bring up methods to reduce them? Like: Soaking, cooking, fermenting etc?
Because what we’re concerned about is human health outcomes. To investigate how a certain food impacts this does it not make sense to research these based on how they’re actually cooked and prepared in the real world?
It would be like saying we’re concerned about chicken consumption because of salmonella found in chicken.
But in the real world people cook chicken. So we can’t really just say that we shouldn’t eat chicken because of salmonella.
Thomas I agree with you on people that are Carnivore based not adding other foods. I am primary Carnivore but so many people get into a dogmatic way of thinking that I tell those on Carnivore that when there was no meat we at different things. They did not turn down, tubers, fruits, nuts etc; it jus they did not have it all of the time and each person needs to find that sweets spot.
Thanks Thomas for doing this video. I was listening to someone who was talking about lectins and whatever else they vilified. After a while I thought, I don't quite buy into it. My mother ate all those foods on basically a Mediterranean diet. She was very healthy and she lived to be a hundred.
Thomas himself has vilified them in older videos. Its one thing to discover new info but he is either playing games or is not qualified to interpret studies. He will find some random study about a chemical or theoretical pathway that makes lectins anabolic. Next week they give you cancer. Its becoming frustrating.
Yes balance & chemical knowledge
@@jordanzakery9296 I get what saying. I remember one of the things in college I learned was to pay attention to who was backing a study, was it for their gain, etc. There are many subtle little things that can throw a study off to be inaccurate.
In traditional diets they are prepared properly to minimise the negative impacts. Also, people from those cultures are somewhat adapted. Additiinally, those who suffer negative outcomes are often consuming excessive amounts, trying to get more of their nutritiin from plants than they are suited to.
@@jordanzakery9296 this is not confusing eating balanced amounts of beans want do anything negative
I went carnivore and feel better than ever. Within 10 days my chronic eczema disappeared. Sorry, but the argument that I should eat toxic plants because they “also” contain vitamins is not a strong argument. I’ve lost fat and gained muscle, bloating reduced and I sleep better.
Thomas you always out do yourself. The content is hitting all the thoughts I have in my head. This was really helpful. Massive thanks. Diversity within diet and consuming bad things does give benefit. Like life, diversify your portfolio and stress your body to get a rebound effect. As above so below!
😮So what about someone with a leaky gut? Cut out what has damaged your gut and then get back to lentils and legumes. For me now I can eat these high fibre and lectin foods.😊
a guy on survivor got sick from beans and had to leave lol but they are cooking in the forest nothing like at home and you can not worry about taking out hard ones
So many people claim health benefits from giving up vegetables. It is possible that plant defense chemicals are shortening peoples lifespans even if they feel "fine" or dont notice any ill effects. It's just hard to study. It's worth it for people to give them up if only for a decent period of time to see if they notice benefits.
It was scientific inquiry that led me to adopt a (whole foods, organic) vegan diet 28 years ago, so I am loving every minute of this. It’s just as satisfying as having (overweight, clearly unhealthy) doctors apologize to me for being wrong about plant-based diets for so long. I enjoy TD’s content, because - like any truth-seeker - I’m always looking to learn more and/or to be proven wrong. Hasn’t happened yet (regarding veganism), but I still enjoy watching Thomas. Don’t ask me why 🤷🏻♀️😉
I love that you mentioned you are looking to be proven wrong. That's so important in uncovering real objective truth. Put that to the test. Look into some ex-vegan carnivores and see what sorts of problems veganism had caused them (over the course of years if not decades) and how rejecting the plant-based rhetoric of our current society healed them though true bioavailable nutrition. This rabbit hole runs deep... REAL deep... So it's hard to see the truth through the all of the corporate propaganda out there selling us the lies of plant nutrition. I haven't touched a plant in over a year and have greatly improved several conditions I have. Thousands if not millions of others are doing the same, but the biggest impacts are those who come from veganism to discover carnivore. Do some research looking to prove yourself WRONG, as you have suggested, and see what you find. Congrats on your improved health so far and best of luck on your continuing journey for the trth. 🙂
@@corwynmatthew6625 You sound like a shill for the meat industry, ha. I can assure you that no one from the Broccoli Council of America ever convinced me (or paid me to say) that an organic, whole foods, vegan diet was optimal for me. I learned that over 3 decades, based on my own experience (which includes curing an ‘incurable’ disease), & continual scientific research.
I have looked into the claims of many ‘ex-vegans’ and what I typically find are people who did not eat a *proper* vegan diet. They did not combine foods, to ensure that they were getting adequate nutrition; they gravitated towards a more ‘junk food’ version of a vegan diet, versus a healthy, minimally processed, organic version (supplemented with B12 & iodine, to play it safe); they felt limited in their food choices - perhaps they’re allergic to nuts or legumes, for example - so they gave it up; they had an eating disorder, so they used veganism as an excuse to not eat enough, etc…
Yes, some health conditions appear to be alleviated for some people, when they eat more meat-based diets - but those people are likely sacrificing their long-term metabolic health in the process (especially if they are eating ‘factory farmed’ animals). Also, the elimination of processed foods, refined carbs, & gluten in meat-centered diets likely plays a major role in their recovery - so it’s not just the meat itself (& the exclusion of plants) that’s improving their condition. The most convincing science regarding *proper* plant-based diets for human health is vast at this point, & it’s overwhelmingly positive.
“We don’t want to be eaten “ said every animal ever
I personally don't have any problems with any beans and lentils, however with nuts it sometimes depends, I can overdo nuts but it might take several days or even a week of eating a good portion or portions of nuts to start feeling digestive trouble with nuts.
I think if you've always eaten a veriety of plant matter you'll do well, if you haven't, then suddenly intrducung more could be problematic UNTIL your gut gets used to it! People quit too soon! I can eat ANYTHING and be fine (if it's unprocessed) because I've always eaten EVERYTHING.
Same here
Me too.
This sounds like a future " we were wrong" video...sorry Thomas I almost always enjoy your content.
He can say whatever he wants. There are too many anecdotes of people getting better by excluding most plants. From my own experience, if phytates and oxalates didn't cause deficiencies, then explain why I became iron deficient eating mostly plants? If they were in balance then I would have a net plus. Also with fiber. I was eating whole grains, legumes etc and I got IBS from it. I didn't est dairy at the time which still is a problem but when I removed grains legumes and nuts all my IBS problems went away. Also when I stopped consuming high oxalate foods, I stopped having muscle pain. From the plant kingdom I only eat fruits because they're low in antinutrients and fiber
Just as many or more "anecdotes" of people thriving on keto with inclusion of vegetables/plants and legumes. SOME people -- especially those with autoimmune issues -- do poorly with essentially any plant matter. But many thrive on it. The evidence that oxalates, phytic acid, and anything else in plant matter is toxic us as a species whole is completely lacking. Indeed, the 5 longest living populations in the world in the 5 Blue Zones have a plant and legume rich diet. That's touched on but not really explored in this video.
Follow the money and then you can see why the recommendations are being made. It's not a coincidence that no research was cited but there are discount codes to a website for nuts on this post.
Lol you make no money selling beans. A we bit more selling supplements tho
@@uog293 True that because you will need a lot of supplements on a pla t based diet
@@clampBendersWangdang there are way more medicines for carnists 😂 🤡
Nobody seems to blink an eye at eating multiple foods and Macro's together, Fat and carbs to excess in a meal invoke the Randal Cycle. Eating Meat with a lot of fibre and carbs bloats me, something I don't get if they are eaten separately.
4:35 makes sense to me. Just like how people say eating Kale is bad for you and that it has heavy metals etc etc etc. but at the same time Kale is a good detoxifying food wouldnt you think that part would basically remove the excess or damaging effects on heavy metals? Yes dont eat kale every meal but once or twice a week probably would be healthy.
I stopped lentils 5 Years ago as I had terribile pain, cocked of course.
❤ I think that sprouting deactivates these compounds too. Does anyone have the science on this?
What about the insecticides that we can't rinse off our vegetables?
It’s so refreshing to hear us talk about balance and the resilience of our bodies!
The only thing I think was missing is he didnt say anything about for people that have Autoimmune diseases, since they usually or always have to remove alot of these food forever or for a very long time.
Even when he mentioned that you can read it on the PubMed which I do alot and their studies also talk about avoiding alot of these foods since they can damage your gut when you have an autoimmune disease even tho you don't feel anything but most people do.
Otherwise very informative video just hoped they would have taken up that in to their conversation, since so many follow Keto, Carnivore or AIP which takes away alot of these food as well for the body to be able to heal.
yeah, and the leaky gut
I don’t care what you and your rib-eye do in the other room! 😂 You crack me up Thomas.
Personally my stomach issues resolved when I stopped consuming a lot of fiber and vegetables.
I had the complete opposite effect.
You and a lot of other people. I am undecided on the health of veg (in general and for myself). I was not particularly blown away by this guy. Bit of a clickbait title.
@@mrjake7501Can you please elaborate further?
@@Cristian-hu9bx My digestion issues disappeared when I consumed more fiber and vegetables.
@@mrjake7501 That's cool. What was your diet before you switched? Sad diet or something else?
Lets disregard that people are resolving gastro problems by cutting out plants then. Lets hear the experts and live with the pain instead.
Great interview really appreciate the insights thank you!
So glad you done this video i literally commented asking for this on a video a week or so ago. Probably a coincidence but thats answered some much need questions, thanks 🙏🙌
I enjoy watching your conversations!
I personally can't do vegetables often even if I want to cheat on carnivore with keto, i am just really intolerant to anything that isn't meat or eggs, but I love vegetables so I usually live to regret that once every week or two weeks lol
Maybe you have changed your microbiom to no longer produce enzymes that digest vegetable fiber.
There's at least one study which found by eating fermented foods you can replenish your microbiome to the point where you can eat vegetables again. Probiotics would probably work also. It's worth a try. Long term, it's much healthier to eat a lot of plants, if you can, especially for atherosclerosis and cardiovascular disease.
Yes avoiding cardiac issues is key.
@@jeffreyjohnson7359 no point trying to convince a carnivore, it's like trying to convert a christian to islam lol. It doesn't matter how many facts you present them they prefer to believe in fiction.
@@NofirstnameNolastname😂😂
His argument is, "If it's on pubmed, it's fact," if it's not on pubmed, "it's wack."
Yet there's both, on pubmed.
Everything alright with your skin color, boy? 💩🤦🏻♂️🤦🏿♂️🙍🏿♂️
Umm…. Can someone please tell my gut that ?
Thank you for doing this talk! Super helpful!
Science gets a lot wrong too.
There has been some studies oxalate especially regular juicing, causing kidney failure and other symptoms. There have been some deaths using extreme juicing of oxalate. A friend of mine had this he was juicing all the classic ingredients that are promoting to be very healthy. He had to go on dialysis. Thankfully, he didn't need a kidney transplant
No one says that anti nutrients are to prevent insects from eating plants. They say that it helps prevent “predators” from eating the plant, and yes, we are predators to the plants.
“I don’t care what you and your ribeye do in the other room” 😂😂😂
I have tried to eat more legumes several times and I find myself very sensitive and I always failed to keep at it, because of the side effects like bloating, abdominal pain, heartburn, etc .. However I have discovered lately a brand of lentils that are cooked on steam and those aren't causing any of these problems to me. I guess most of the beans you buy are just not cooked enough or I am too sensitive. But there's a hope ..
11:56 It would be tolerance built up in baby steps, up to an individualized limit. By trial and error.😅
A question about how to consume plant food. Starchy fibrous tubers are cooked quite long to make it soft and suitable for swallowing, and to reduce anti-oxidant concentrations. The trendy overrated leafy varied-colored veggies are consumed raw in copious quantities.
In the human digestive system, aren't raw green veggie matters more readily digested if these were partially broken down by cooking before getting it down into our stomach?
Moderation is appropriate for people who are healthy- I’m looking forward to that state, now I have arthritis in a few areas, I was prediabetic,3 of 5 measures, also they want to cut into my eyes to remove the cataracts. I’ve been dumping oxalates for over a year, every time I go off carnivore, I have wicked rashes….so once I’m healthy I’ll eat veggies.