Yinlin isn't even her BiS subdps because there's still isn't any character that buff skill damage + does coordinate attack, and the only skill buffer are Taoqi who doesn't have coordinated attack + has cluncky gameplay to be a sub-dps
@@nyes4596 At least for now, she is, Yinlin might not have very synergistic buffs, but her own dps more than makes up for it. Specially because both units synergizes really well with quickswap.
@@italomorais9424 Ehh, it's only her damage but setting up her coordinate attack tooks too long making her on-field far longer than any other character such as Yuanwu/Mortefi/Verina which is important because time is precious in endgame content
@@nyes4596 Time by itself it's not a relevant metric. Yeah, Yinlin increases the length of the team's rotation, But the team's damage per second will be significantly higher. Healer yuanwu will give you a faster rotation and increase your Jinhsi's dps, but he'll lower your team's overall dps by not contributing to the teams damage. He's a great option, especially if you wanna free Yinlin for another team, or you don't have her. But the team will absolutely be better with yinlin.
Guys relax, jiyan can always be used in floor 1-3 1-4 and 3-3 3-4. And jinhsi for 2-1 and 2-2. Jiyan aoe is actually insane, even his ult with forte linger in the field so it can damage both waves
U did not use animation cancel on jiyan's king kong mode, and jinhsi can pause the time on her nuke skill, and i dont think 38 heavy attack amolification is enough to compare with 60 skill dmg bonus. And in Jiyan's long mode there's a time where u can use his skill and still be able to perform the seven heavy attacks atleast he can use the 60 plus 20(forte) skill dmg bonus
It's pros and cons with them really - Jiyan is better against multiple units that can get swept up and has permaparry while Jinhsi is stronger in terms of raw damage against a single or closely grouped targets at this point in the game.
In terms of damage per second, i believe Jinhsi will out damage Jiyan (if you actually use her proper team like Yuanwu/Yinlin/Spectro Rover) but I don't think Jiyan will be that far behind in terms of the duration of clearing the enemies because of his crazy AOE, so both are still very very good main DPS. But, there's one thing that Jiyan got powercrept so bad by Jinshi, and that is the Animation, like bro, comparing Jiyan Visual effects with Jinshi's make Jiyan looks like a 4 star, its Crazy.
Other youtubers have already compared Jinhsi vs Jiyan(tower and holograms) and the conclusion is that Jinhsi beats jiyan by a mere 2%-8% faster/higher DPS. The main deciding factor is gonna be on echo sub-stats and whether or not jinhsi hits Crit on her Forte nuke skill and how fast you recharge her incandescence bar. And I quite agree on this, when she doesn't crit on her nuke, it feels like forever to kill your enemy. But, when you do, most elite mobs/bosses gets instantly nuked or they are on 1 HP. So the take is whether you like burst nuking(jinhsi) or consistent DPS(Jiyan).
brother, u made yuanwu & jinhsi test earlier, why are you comparing jiyan best team vs jinhsi 2nd worst team, the test would've been much clearer if it's jinhsi yuanwu vs jiyan mort
i think you should use other coordinated atk other than mortefi. mortefis coordinated atk doesnt work when jinshi is in her incarnation state, maybe change him to yuanwu i think that's more fair
Jinhsi's best thing.. You don't need her ult in every rotation like the other dragon.. and you can just continuously do rotation unless the enemy is deleted
It doesn't matter how strong 1 character is. 1 character cant clear whole tower. You need at least 3-4 dps units. also it depends whether its single or multiple enemies or whether the enemy has resistance to specific element.
I knew it all along, because if you do an 100k with an insta burst combo with dragon baby jiyan will do 40 to 50k in is ultimate entry and do around 7k dmg per hit over time hitting 9 times so the dps is just close to each other, but in the future probably will be there new supports that can change the dmg output for jinhsi but that wee will have to see.
@@enz0_25 Nope. Jinshsi has insane damage bonus for her skill which don't benefit Jiyan and other side also have Spectro bonus. So, Jiyan whose skill is just a mere percentage of kit and no aero damage bonus has no buff in this version of tower
Jinhsi indeed can powercrept jiyan. If not for those bosses that move every second making my dragon's breath missed the shot. Especially the new tiger mobs. At least with jiyan if you miss one shot, you can still have your sustain dmg.
Guys, stop it with best team this best team that. It only shows you did not watch the full video. 38% heavy for jiyan because of morteffi is NOT equal to tower buff of 60% for jinhsi, all in favor of jinhsi.
I think Jhinsi is overall better then Jiyan cuz I used him with s2 plus signature weapon and he still couldn't peform as good as s0 Jhinsi with signature weapon even tho she got worse echoes might just be the tower buff tho.
Doesnt he knows Jinhsi cant use Morfeti well while its the perfect pair for Jiyan ? Use something like Yuanwu plz you get the guy for free on the tower...
Its done because Jinhsi has better Tower buff than Jiyan but Jiyan does benefit from these yes. Not like it matter, neither Jinhsi nor Jiyan were played optimally so this is pointless.
We all know powercreep is inevitable in a gacha game. We all remember the time when jing yuan and seele were top tier. The only game that has actually managed to avoid powercreep as much a s they can is genshin. And even then it didn't manage to prevent it from it 1.0 characters. Venti got powercrept by kazuha and klee had been powercrept by diluc as she released 😂
@@TravelerSaniar let me guess, ur propbably an acheron simp that thinks big number = better unit but dosnt even consider how much time it takes for that number and how realistic it is. Anyone with functioning eyes can see that Seele has the lowest cost 0 cycles in almost every single MoC and that is the only parameter to gauge how good a unit is. U can cope all u like but the fact remains that Seele is still the best in terms of speedrunning.
@deltaspecies1697 that is a whale perspective. A normal player never cares about speed running and 0 cycling. And, bigger and consistent numbers = better. But the problem is that seele does neither do bigger number, nor consistent numbers. Imo, acheron isn't even a good unit. Strong? Yes she is. But i would rather pull for firefly, boothill, jingliu or even DHIL. But acheron is still in every way better than seele and jingyuan. If someone is whale enough to 0 cycle with seele, they can also do it with acheron. With way less spending and investment too.
ff ? u sure ? acheron is on top of her btw in any conent of the game . ff has so many flaws in terms of beating every content . not to mention if enemy has no toughness bar in few turns ff can suk ass and do shit .
@@daughterofgorgias7235 Alright, what about bosses like Gepard who has shields? Or that one Xianzou robot? Or that one belobog small robot? Or what about Aventurine? I mean Firefly is for sure a good dps, but she is kinda back loaded and is taking two of the best harmony character away from someone like let's say Boothill and Kafka DoT and taking away two BiS harmony in those team are kinda.. Yk? I mean playing FF without Ruan Mei would literally make you lost 20-33% of damage because of her break delay + atk + speed buff, and playing her without harmony mc will just make her do no damage, I mean you can play Acheron with Sampo and Gui who used Resolution LC and she'll still easily do 100-200k per ult, and with the upcoming character Jiaoqiu who can debuff vulnerability + increase ultimate damage, Firefly with both HMC and RM would definitely get powercrept
i dont get why you would try to make them similar to each other??? Like each character got its strengths, you cant give the stats and upgrades of a m1 character to a character who rely on skill or liberation. Those are completely 2 things. Also, why not just compare them at their strongest, whats the point of making them similar?
The strongest DPS in history VS the strongest DPS of today 🗿
Was waiting for this. 🗿
and after this new character will be stronger than jinhsi
Hey rate off hahaha...
Its still 1.1 my man 😭😭
Jingliu vs acheron I gotchu
While I don't think Jinhsi powercreeps jiyan, if you use both on their best teams, the difference will be very significant. because Yilin.
It'll be interesting when they get 5 star best in slot supports. Although I think Jihnsi will be so clear 😅
Yinlin isn't even her BiS subdps because there's still isn't any character that buff skill damage + does coordinate attack, and the only skill buffer are Taoqi who doesn't have coordinated attack + has cluncky gameplay to be a sub-dps
@@nyes4596 At least for now, she is, Yinlin might not have very synergistic buffs, but her own dps more than makes up for it.
Specially because both units synergizes really well with quickswap.
@@italomorais9424 Ehh, it's only her damage but setting up her coordinate attack tooks too long making her on-field far longer than any other character such as Yuanwu/Mortefi/Verina which is important because time is precious in endgame content
@@nyes4596 Time by itself it's not a relevant metric. Yeah, Yinlin increases the length of the team's rotation, But the team's damage per second will be significantly higher.
Healer yuanwu will give you a faster rotation and increase your Jinhsi's dps, but he'll lower your team's overall dps by not contributing to the teams damage.
He's a great option, especially if you wanna free Yinlin for another team, or you don't have her. But the team will absolutely be better with yinlin.
Guys relax, jiyan can always be used in floor 1-3 1-4 and 3-3 3-4. And jinhsi for 2-1 and 2-2. Jiyan aoe is actually insane, even his ult with forte linger in the field so it can damage both waves
Good comparison ! Noteworthy however that Jinshi still lacks an optimal subdps, wheras Mortefi is perfect for Jiyan
Yuanwu?
Tower buff compensate that. Other tower also 30% Spectro buff.
yuanwu+taoqi brings the best for jinhsi at the time. i've seen someone tested it and he hits around almost 300k for a s0r1 jinhsi.
@@rinzu3188 i hit 200k without any buff in overworld by using yinlin and verina . so yea with toqi definitely can hit 300k i think .
mortefi is okay hes not really al that good compared to yinlin
U did not use animation cancel on jiyan's king kong mode, and jinhsi can pause the time on her nuke skill, and i dont think 38 heavy attack amolification is enough to compare with 60 skill dmg bonus. And in Jiyan's long mode there's a time where u can use his skill and still be able to perform the seven heavy attacks atleast he can use the 60 plus 20(forte) skill dmg bonus
hearing Pleasure Quarter in the background was a throwback hell yeah dude
It's pros and cons with them really - Jiyan is better against multiple units that can get swept up and has permaparry while Jinhsi is stronger in terms of raw damage against a single or closely grouped targets at this point in the game.
tbh if we get a grouping support jinshi might be better then jiyan even in aoe
In terms of damage per second, i believe Jinhsi will out damage Jiyan (if you actually use her proper team like Yuanwu/Yinlin/Spectro Rover) but I don't think Jiyan will be that far behind in terms of the duration of clearing the enemies because of his crazy AOE, so both are still very very good main DPS. But, there's one thing that Jiyan got powercrept so bad by Jinshi, and that is the Animation, like bro, comparing Jiyan Visual effects with Jinshi's make Jiyan looks like a 4 star, its Crazy.
I have both well built and jinhsi is cut from a different cloth so much better
Other youtubers have already compared Jinhsi vs Jiyan(tower and holograms) and the conclusion is that Jinhsi beats jiyan by a mere 2%-8% faster/higher DPS. The main deciding factor is gonna be on echo sub-stats and whether or not jinhsi hits Crit on her Forte nuke skill and how fast you recharge her incandescence bar.
And I quite agree on this, when she doesn't crit on her nuke, it feels like forever to kill your enemy. But, when you do, most elite mobs/bosses gets instantly nuked or they are on 1 HP. So the take is whether you like burst nuking(jinhsi) or consistent DPS(Jiyan).
@@leemay3097 jinhsi if your doing a few runs to get the best time compared to jiyan is far faster since you can crit fish those nuke hits
Basically Jinhsi=One big pp damage
Jiyan=braindead gameplay for skill issue people while still doing big damage
@@nyes4596jinhsi= two big pp dmg🍷🗿 (her ult)
Alternative title: coping video for those who have Jiyan but lost 50/50 to Jinshi
brother, u made yuanwu & jinhsi test earlier, why are you comparing jiyan best team vs jinhsi 2nd worst team, the test would've been much clearer if it's jinhsi yuanwu vs jiyan mort
He did said why tho, the Room buff for jinshi is Crazy strong...
Proper presentation. Very nice. ❤❤❤
i think you should use other coordinated atk other than mortefi. mortefis coordinated atk doesnt work when jinshi is in her incarnation state, maybe change him to yuanwu i think that's more fair
Great job, some dumbasses don't understand JIYAN is AOE and Jinhsi only hits in front
Jinhsi's best thing..
You don't need her ult in every rotation like the other dragon.. and you can just continuously do rotation unless the enemy is deleted
Video Conclusion : Short field time DPS is always better
It doesn't matter how strong 1 character is. 1 character cant clear whole tower. You need at least 3-4 dps units. also it depends whether its single or multiple enemies or whether the enemy has resistance to specific element.
I knew it all along, because if you do an 100k with an insta burst combo with dragon baby jiyan will do 40 to 50k in is ultimate entry and do around 7k dmg per hit over time hitting 9 times so the dps is just close to each other, but in the future probably will be there new supports that can change the dmg output for jinhsi but that wee will have to see.
Not really close if you asked me. And take note, his take about the buffs is pure BS. Both characters have the same advantages on tower's buffs.
@@enz0_25 Nope.
Jinshsi has insane damage bonus for her skill which don't benefit Jiyan and other side also have Spectro bonus.
So, Jiyan whose skill is just a mere percentage of kit and no aero damage bonus has no buff in this version of tower
wait when did you face reveal??
Jinhsi indeed can powercrept jiyan. If not for those bosses that move every second making my dragon's breath missed the shot. Especially the new tiger mobs. At least with jiyan if you miss one shot, you can still have your sustain dmg.
Bro why do tou use Mortefei? Yanwu can just makes her rotation more easy, she doesn't need Yanwu on field. mortefei slows her down.
Jinshi just R0 + Yangyang R6 full set echo molten (+42% atk), try it hahaha..
Guys, stop it with best team this best team that. It only shows you did not watch the full video. 38% heavy for jiyan because of morteffi is NOT equal to tower buff of 60% for jinhsi, all in favor of jinhsi.
S0… this applies to most of you.. it’s the truth but it hurts. Anyway. I did not have both 😢😢
your videos are great, and editing is nice.. but the weird voice thing you do is reallyyyyy unnecessary. Other than that, you're doing great
I think Jhinsi is overall better then Jiyan cuz I used him with s2 plus signature weapon and he still couldn't peform as good as s0 Jhinsi with signature weapon even tho she got worse echoes might just be the tower buff tho.
I finished mephis with a 3 star at ul48. Your playstyle is kind of inefficient. Use Yanwu
Jinhsi shines it all
Doesnt he knows Jinhsi cant use Morfeti well while its the perfect pair for Jiyan ? Use something like Yuanwu plz you get the guy for free on the tower...
Its done because Jinhsi has better Tower buff than Jiyan but Jiyan does benefit from these yes.
Not like it matter, neither Jinhsi nor Jiyan were played optimally so this is pointless.
Guys just use both in the same team
Its seele incident all over again
We all know powercreep is inevitable in a gacha game. We all remember the time when jing yuan and seele were top tier. The only game that has actually managed to avoid powercreep as much a s they can is genshin. And even then it didn't manage to prevent it from it 1.0 characters. Venti got powercrept by kazuha and klee had been powercrept by diluc as she released 😂
Diluc is a perma character btw so the last sentence isnt valid
Well, Seele is still arguably the best dps in the game, and JY is also very good. So if u wanna talk about powercreep, HSR is not it.
@deltaspecies1697 yeah nice try buddy. I'm not getting STUNLOCKED by that today. Unless you still live in june 2023
@@TravelerSaniar let me guess, ur propbably an acheron simp that thinks big number = better unit but dosnt even consider how much time it takes for that number and how realistic it is.
Anyone with functioning eyes can see that Seele has the lowest cost 0 cycles in almost every single MoC and that is the only parameter to gauge how good a unit is. U can cope all u like but the fact remains that Seele is still the best in terms of speedrunning.
@deltaspecies1697 that is a whale perspective. A normal player never cares about speed running and 0 cycling. And, bigger and consistent numbers = better. But the problem is that seele does neither do bigger number, nor consistent numbers. Imo, acheron isn't even a good unit. Strong? Yes she is. But i would rather pull for firefly, boothill, jingliu or even DHIL. But acheron is still in every way better than seele and jingyuan. If someone is whale enough to 0 cycle with seele, they can also do it with acheron. With way less spending and investment too.
See this is how a stronger character should be. They shouldn't immediately powercreep the dps before them (*cough* *cough* Firefly *cough*)
Firefly didn't powercreep any previous characters, try her with the trio trotter
ff ? u sure ? acheron is on top of her btw in any conent of the game . ff has so many flaws in terms of beating every content . not to mention if enemy has no toughness bar in few turns ff can suk ass and do shit .
@@nyes4596 bruh nice joke lol Trio trotter is not in MOC, PF or AS so it doesn't matter
@@daniyardaniel1755 She is crazy in MOC and AS. She can easily 1 cycle in MOC and right now enemies don't pose a problem for FF only time can tell
@@daughterofgorgias7235 Alright, what about bosses like Gepard who has shields? Or that one Xianzou robot? Or that one belobog small robot? Or what about Aventurine? I mean Firefly is for sure a good dps, but she is kinda back loaded and is taking two of the best harmony character away from someone like let's say Boothill and Kafka DoT and taking away two BiS harmony in those team are kinda.. Yk? I mean playing FF without Ruan Mei would literally make you lost 20-33% of damage because of her break delay + atk + speed buff, and playing her without harmony mc will just make her do no damage, I mean you can play Acheron with Sampo and Gui who used Resolution LC and she'll still easily do 100-200k per ult, and with the upcoming character Jiaoqiu who can debuff vulnerability + increase ultimate damage, Firefly with both HMC and RM would definitely get powercrept
Good day to be a jiyan main
i dont get why you would try to make them similar to each other??? Like each character got its strengths, you cant give the stats and upgrades of a m1 character to a character who rely on skill or liberation. Those are completely 2 things. Also, why not just compare them at their strongest, whats the point of making them similar?
my lvl 60 jinhsi does 20k damage
im only account lvl 34
I still prefer Jiyan for AoE content. His tractoon is probably the best in-game.
interesting
Well i have both so no worry at all 😂
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... It's always little kid squabbles in the comments
Jinhsi will not crit her 2-3 hits. Dps loss, meanwhile jiyan is consistent
get more crit on her :/ also more crit dmg and she will do even more
@@Ausku_24 i have 81 % crit rate and 256% cd and i hv signature as well
cope much 😐
Jiyan got benched.
Iwintolose has made jinhsi s6r5 1 shot hologram heron VI with a 00:00 clear, i bet you cant do that with jiyan s6r5
Yas
now do it with best team vs best team. jinshi shits on jiyan lol
bc jiyans best sup is a 4* no shit the game is new thats to be expected thats why no ones comparing that lol
@@balitopic711 jinshis best sup is Yuanwu which also a 4*.
He/she taught it's only Yinlin. HAHAHAH
When you have no idea about the meta
@@rjdn1384? the meta in a game with a handful of characters? you brain damaged or?
Jinshi stronger than changli