Is Technoblade a LAWFUL or CHAOTIC Character?
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Good content.
Finally some that actually understand the DnD chart
He counts as lawful in only dream amp. But almost everywhere else it's 100% chaotic, Example : AN ENTIRE WAR ABOUT FARMING POTATOS. And Bullying skeppy.
"Tubbo isn't willing to abandon his friends in the face of conflict"
whoops
lol aged very well after (spoilers)
tommy got exiled
Tommy betrayed Tubbo and I am sticking to that belief
@@NerdOverlord nope, sorry, Tommy thought he was helping tubbo by standing up to dream but only made things worse for himself. then when dream got pissed and said he needed to be exiled in three days, literally everyone besides tubbo was looking for a non-exile solution, and TUBBO AGREED. then at the last second, tubbo went back and exiled Tommy even when he just told him seconds ago that he wouldn't. maybe tubbo just wanted to to what was right for l'manburg, but he still betrayed Tommy even if he didn't mean for it to turn out like this.
Do y’all not see Dream pulling the strings (not in a writing way in a canon character way) when it comes to Tommy and Tubbo’s relationship?
@@madi7178 I absolutely do, and if anything, I think Tubbo was right to exile Tommy, I just thought it was worth pointing out.
He is definitely lawful. He has clear beliefs and stops at nothing, and I mean nothing, to uphold those beliefs.
Yes, of course Techno has desires that he always works towards, but when it comes to "honor" and remaining consistent in how he does things, he fails utterly. He said that The Festival was strictly a reconnaissance mission and then slaughtered the entire crowd. He swore an oath of pacifism and then brought George to near death over him mentioning cows. The only modicum of consistency he displays in when advocating for personal freedom and when disrespecting authority
@@rainbowlemniscate2761 Lawful characters are still people and they still have emotions and therefore sometimes go against their personal codes or morals when in they feel particularly strong emotions such as the death of a loved one/all of their cows, and techno when he eventually calmed down didn't kill George because it was his emotions controlling his actions not his code. As for the festival, he was put into a much different situation then he was expecting so of course the plan changed to accommodate the new environment, lawful doesn't mean idiot. Also he absolutely has honor he never stabbed anyone in the back he was clear and concise in his intentions and motivations and that he would destroy any government as to prevent corruption.
@@TenBillionAnts I agree, lawful characters can break their code, but it is a huge moment for their character, but Techno just violates his own rules and then goes about his business, showing that the rules didn't mean much to him in the first place. Also, being honest of your intentions doesn't make you lawful because intentions don't make a person lawful/chaotic, the methods they use to achieve these intentions do and to quote the original comment, "Techno stops at nothing, and I mean nothing, to uphold those beliefs". He doesn't let a code or rules stand between him and his goals. Also, as a disclaimer, I don't really care about this and am just interested in the debate, I see where you're coming from and respect your argument.
you mean upload?
@@rainbowlemniscate2761 lawful characters Can relive and be emotional without breaking their code.
The man himself said " I would never betray... my personal ideals," when asked if he was the traitor. How much more Lawful Neutral can you get? Lol great vid btw
That would be Chaotic Neutral or, Neutral. Lawful Neutral would be respecting the rule of law no matter what. Lawful Good respecting just law and Lawful Evil following the law in malicious way. He is chaotic.
@@riblix4744 No, lawful is following a set of laws, not specifically government laws.
@@bongocat5260 It doesn't change the fact that Techno doesn't follow any set of laws. He may have overarching objective, but he doesn't limit himself with any rule.
He is Chaotic Neutral, he doesn't follow any set of law.
@@riblix4744 Hi! I'm in the mood for friendly discourse and I wanted to see if I was actually right on this so I did a little extra research. Sources agree that a Lawful Neutral character is loyal to a set of rules that could be either the letter of the law or their personal code. In this case you could argue that Techno is loyal to the laws of anarchy as well as his personal beliefs. Chaotic alignments tend to be more flexible and subject to their whims, but Techno's motivations have been very consistent. It may have seemed chaotic to summon two withers against his former allies, but he did it because they had used him in a way that went against his personal beliefs. He fought alongside them to overthrow a government, but when they set up a new one in its place they effectively betrayed him and what he stood for. Again, this is just friendly discourse! I don't want to start an argument over Minecraft RP lol
(if you want to check my sources, I just googled "lawful neutral alignment" and read the top five results lol)
@@riblix4744 as the person above me stated. Lawful does not mean they’re following a governments law. A common example in DND for a lawful character is a devil. They always follow their own set of rules and uphold their beliefs. Even if they sometimes will twist them. An example of a chaotic character is a demon just pure destruction and chaos with no though and is completely unreasonable. So based off those two examples I’d say yes, Technoblade is a lawful character.
In summary: Technoblade is Chaotically Lawful.
@@Adam22662 he fits the Lawful Side Better, but Saying that he doesnt have a bit of Chaos is a Bit of a Lie
he's personal law that of is chaos so damn lawful by dnd definition but damn chaotic in the form of small smooth brain definition
Lawful Neutral i say
@@nunsense9489 technoblade only believes he is chaotic but he is lawfully neutral
@@Adam22662 it's a joke. That class doesn't even exist. They're just saying that he is chaotic while following his laws.
He’s lawful, but follows only his own laws.
and there are no laws.
besides ofc destroy the government
@@Nebulister Don't forget treat people how they treat him x1000000000000000
@@galacticecho-wolf9716 yes
there are a few laws, but most important ones are:
1. SUBSCRIBE TO TECHNOBLADE
2. OBLITERATE ORPHANS
True
Also Technoblade: tricks Skeppy into doing a puzzle aimed at himself.
Since it wasn't streamed and made into a YT video, that's more of an out-of-character scene than anything. Technoblade is in his regular video style, compared to the character he regularly plays on the SMP.
@@samt3412 Apart from the "made into a YT video" part, makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up!
@Red Matter and that beating up helpless animals the only to get anything done.
how is that against the code of anti-government he's playing?
That was non-canon
100% lawful. i know why some people think he’s chaotic cause, “BLOOOD” but, he’s literally the definition of a lawful character
• he has a clear cut set of ideals and beliefs
• he sticks by them no matter what
• he knows what he wants
you nailed it when you said how they’d be willing to even abandon close friends to stick to their personal code
Being chaotic doesn’t mean you don’t have beliefs it just means you don’t have laws limiting your actions achieving those said beliefs
@@gooddoggo2831 yes but a chaotic character would abandon those beliefs the second it gets in the way of their goals.
@@gooddoggo2831 no a chaotic character only focuses on themselves, their greed, their desires. They can have beliefs but that comes second.
@@gooddoggo2831 Nothing you said proves your point at all.
First Tommy literally betrays literally everyone over and over and over again.
His belief that he should always stick by his friends comes second to getting what he wants. He gave up the disks because 1. HE wanted L'manburg. 2. Because of that "good." Part of his character.
But if you pay attention Tommy betrayed literally everyone and sided with technoblade if it meant he got his disks back.
Now let's look at technoblade. Like a lawful character would he always keeps his word and will always repay a debt.
Technoblade never betrays anyone before they betray him.
And he was willing to give Tommy to dream if he called in that favour.
@@gooddoggo2831 Well someone hasn't been paying attention. He was more then willing to give Tommy to dream if he called in the favour "Unless of course, you want to call in that favour."
He's smart, he coordinate his attack perfectly, he even gives up the most obvious hint of attacking when he's talking to someone.
Thats why he wins every war
“Let your plans be as dark and impenetrable as night, and when you move, fall like a thunderbolt.” - Sun Tzu, The Art of War
I didn’t even know that alignment chart existed XD but I gotta say you do have a very good point.
It's from DND I think
Dungeons and dragons babey :)
Look up dnd alignment chart toilet paper memes lol
Ye, dnd has a lot to do with allignment charts my g
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So technoblade is lawful to his allies and strong personal convictions even “betraying everyone” because he went with his ideology after winning but is chaotic in means and general predictability hopping from objective to objective
He's lawful in alignment but chaotic in beliefs.
@@Maxi25554 that makes sense
Makes sense
@@Maxi25554 huh, i thought it was the other way around. Lawful in alignment? He literally killed all of his former allies when they set a new government. Chaotic in beliefs? He has always followed his own set of rules and ideology, like remaining an anarchist, even if it means he would have to go against his former allies
@AC _6942 exactly
When I first saw the title of this video, I was under the impression that Techno was a Chaotic Neutral character, as he is neutral, doesn't like government (laws), and occasionally shouts "Chaos!" among other catchphrases such as "Death!" and "Blood for the Blood God!". However, I listen with an open mind, and you did phenomenal. You presented the question, answered it, and then gave amazing evidence and reasoning as to why you were correct, without putting down other opinions. I have changed my mind and now agree with you, as you have convinced me that my first assumption was less then accurate, to say the least. I realized I was ignorant of key information to make the choice on this matter, and I decided to reevaluate my viewpoint after receiving new input. Now if only people like flat-earthers or anti-vaxxers could apply the same logic, we would have a much easier time. I think your video was really cool! Good luck with the RUclips channel!
im anti-vax and you should be too as vaccines are the leading cause of adulthood
@@goldencloud7527 It's true that adults are partially caused by vaccines, however in my opinion being an adult is better than being dead, as long as you think rationally. Also, I love it when people say what you just wrote in your comment, because it always makes me burst out laughing. :D
@@goldencloud7527 oh my God they are?!
"lawful" doesnt mean literal law, it means having a strict set of morals and following them.
btw u should analize another character and uploads more this vid is insane
btw u should make it like 8 minute
well there is like 100k minute watch time befiore it isnt it?
well if u cntinue with this thing i mean this theme ull be good
eyy 69th like nice haha
Ahem, analize is spelled analyze ahem
@@marchosiasduh ahem english isnt everyones first language so you dont have to sound so rude ahem
@@onellux1999 they weren’t being rude lmao
"as man seeks justice in equality, so society seeks order in anarchy" - Proudhon
"Is technoblade chaotic or lawful?" Yes
AY am le 69th like XD
As someone who plays d&d, I can confirm that this is accurate.
how do you play d&d? it seems really cool but my brain can't really wrap around how it works ._.
@@sirbooper for me the first thing you need to actually play D&D is a good dungeon master, without a good one the stories. roleplaying, and game itself is going to be boring. So if you want to play, find an experienced DM first
ooooo that's interesting I shall thanks :)
I really enjoyed this video! It was very well made and you presented evidence and facts very well. Thank you for this :)
Agreed :)
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Agreed :) very well put together, and enjoyable to watch!
See this is the reason why I in techno side in the first instead of Tommy or dream. The war only could be stop by the neutral side
“Anarchy is pog”
-Sun Tzu, The Art Of War.
It seems like people just don’t ever understand alignments. Good through evil are really just selfless to selfish to sadistic, and lawful through chaotic have nothing to do with your actions, but just the reason behind your action. An anarchist is lawful if he only acts anarchistic, even if his actions appear chaotic. Lawful through chaotic is just follows rules to does whatever.
Great work and for dnd nerd like my it is hearth warming to see someone understand aligmet schart
Yeah everyone who calls techno chaotic either completely misunderstands techno's character or completely misunderstands what the lawful-chaotic axis is. Though to be fair, I don't think all of my players understand the lawful-chaotic axis so I'm not sure I can really blame non-DnD players for not getting it.
@@CrystalLily1302 in truth, nobody understands the alignment chart
@@OwenOfElliott If that ain't the truth
Yeah techno is an anarcomonarchist all the way
@@OwenOfElliott I'd like to disagree. There's one person who made a website dedicated to the alignments themselves and most likely has done A LOT of research into it giving how in depth it is
Good video, fairly well presented, but please don't have a strobe without fair warning. Even a short one, without super-bright colors, can cause problems.
Thank you for pointing this out! It completely slipped my mind while editing. I'm so sorry!
@@Nostromal Thankfully I'm not super sensitive or anything, so it just hurt my eyes. No harm done. :)
Techno has always stuck to his ideals and promises. He is everything lawful neutral stands for.
techno is my favourite smp member, he managed to make his RUclips chat canon to the story, and executed someone at his own execution, this man (or pig) is the maddest of lads
I feel EXTREME satisfaction that i was the 69th subscriber
Congratulations! And thank you! Pet reveal soon!
nice
@Ray well 3k now
@@StarryxNight5 that pfp...
P E. E S A U N A
@@Nostromal nearly 6.9k now lol
"I'm new to this whole RUclips thing" THEN HOW IS THIS VIDEO SO GOOD???
Is Technoblade a LAWFUL or CHAOTIC Character?
Me: Yes
may the algorithm be with you
Yessir
:o
i like the editing!! using minecraft music and font makes me go :)
I feel like I should bring up that in the D&D community there's long been a push to abolish alignment for the stated reason that actual characters don't fit into 9 little boxes.
My largest objection to this alignment chart is Wilbur as NE and dream as CE.
Wilbur blew up L'manberg for the sake of it, causing harm without reason, intentionally severing all bonds and encouraging any evil he came across (evilbur of course). That's a pretty blatant CE.
Dream on the other hand has always had the single minded motivation of antagonizing Tommy. Dream makes allies when necessary, backs off when necessary but will to whatever it takes to steal Tommy's most prized possessions, his single mindedness is what keeps him from CE as much as he talks about "being on the side of chaos" pretty clearly NE
yeah agreed, as a very avid D&D player. it's hard to say techno is entirely lawful when he literally killed everyone for the sheer hell of it during the festival as well. he's defo morally grey/ ambiguous.
@@owl2944 if it weren't for cannon technochat I'd call him lawful evil, using his principles to justify violence
The funniest thing is, when I looked at it from the SMP setup, and from the thumbnail alone, I realized 'It would make sense that he's Lawful..' because I've *played* D&D characters that, while not Anarchists like he is, would *be* surprisingly like him. You earned a sub, you earned a like, and I look forward to you analyzing the rest of the Dream SMP, from the 'Older Cast', such as Dream and Georgenotfound, to the new characters like Captain Puffy (she sounds adorable), and Ranboo. Honestly, these lot have all gotten up to *quite* a bit, and seeing more and more animatics about such big events.. To new events popping up, such as Tommy being in Exile because of him and Dream, to now Captain Puffy and Badboyhalo being.. I think corrupted by some giant red egg.
I seriously need a life if this somehow is the most entertaining thing that has ever come about..
I didn't even knew what does lawful and chaotic means until now-
Other noteworthy aspects of Law vs Chaos include their organization and lifestyle. Lawful characters tend to be stricter and more organized, rarely deviating from whatever path they choose for themselves whereas chaotic characters tend to adopt more haphazard and spontaneous mannerisms, almost never forming any long-term plans nor codes of conduct.
I'm about to contradict the person above me but: the alignment chart isn't a personality test, it's an incredibly dumbed down organisation of a person's values. Quite simply the lawful-chaotic axis is how loyal somebody is to principles, whether their own or somebody else's, lawful people will almost always stick to them, neutral people will disaobey them when try necessary and chaotic people will usually ignore them
Me: sees dream statistic
Statistic: Chaotic Evil
Also me: VERY TRUE
I came here to say one thing:
*Yesn’t.*
SMPEarth Techno would probably be the Chaotic one
Fun fact, SMP Earth is actually canon for Dream SMP. It's part of Phil's backstory
In my opinion he’s lawful good for 2 reasons
1. Every “crime” he’s ever committed has been an act of revenge or a way to avoid needing revenge in the future.
2. He’s never actually betrayed anyone first he will abandon those who’ve abandoned him rather than try to redeem a friendship but that dose not mean betrayal that means acceptance he follows the ideals he believes but at no point hides them from his ally’s.
people arguing if Techno is lawful or chaotic:
me who recently saw thread on reddit about "new alignment": why not both?
#LawfulChaoticTechno
yeah why not both
lawfully chaotic
That just sounds like neutral with extra steps
There is an alignment for that, it's called true neutral
This was a fantastic break down of Techno's character! You explained everything clearly, and it all made sense. Your voice actually fits well with this it's very soothing and I actually learned a few things. I also liked the way you broke it down and edited the video, the minecraft music was just *chef's kiss*
I honestly thought he would have been chaotic before I watched this video. After watching, I fully agree that Techno is more lawful than chaotic.
At first I was in the chaotic side of the argument but you changed my mind
Leaving a comment for the algorithm! This is such a well-done analysis, definitely clarified some confusion for me and hopefully for others too :)
fun fact: technblade is one of the main writers for season 2 so expect some lawful actions from him in the near future
He is THE main writer if I’m correct
“Welcome home Theseus”
I think he’s chaotic because he has his own i ideals but that just means he has beliefs the chaotic part is how he achieves those goals and as we see techno will slaughter to achieve his goals. techno said “the ends justifies the means” so for me and my definition of chaotic he’s chaotic
This is a really good look into it, really interesting to watch and you made some great points! I fully agree that Techno is a lawful neutral boi, and I just absolutely love his character
Great video, you actually changed my mind. This was super well done! Hopefully the RUclips analytic gods see your content
saw this in my recommended, prepare to have this vid blown up
Techno: the only law full charater
Everyone else: chaotic
I just like that she picked Aria Math as a song in the background.
Came here from reddit. leaving a like and a comment
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I really like at the end where you make it clear that characters, and people especially, dont tend to fit perfectly within one axis or catagory perfectly or in the same way as others who fit into a similar or the same axis.
Instead its much more like the Political Compass where it is an introductory generalization of someone to start from, where you can get more specific and down to earth to how they really are from there. Or in characters used for the beginning phases of a character creation like in D&D.
People need to differentiate easy and vague generalizations from the actual reality of who someone is and why they are, in order to gain better, deeper understanding of other people, not just relying on streotypes, generalizations, personas, etc.
This especially goes for streamers and youtuber who have lives and many different sides of who they are outside of what they show online.
I like Technoblade’s character arc. His beliefs are fueled by experience from betrayal he felt from his friends when they formed a government of their own, the government proceeding to force techno out of his retirement back into the way he was to destroy lmanburg.
I was honestly surprised when I saw this video. I've always thought of Technoblade as a lawful character and never thought otherwise.
Were you under 69 subs only a week ago? That's incredible! I couldn't hope to develop that fast.
*Counter Argument: He's neither.*
1) Techno follows a specific ideal- not necessarily a code. His main goal is to stop the government but it's just that- a goal. A chaotic character may still have a similar "main goal" like this, which drives their actions most of the time. It doesn't necessarily mean they're lawful, just that they're heavily motivated and that their actions and identity are heavily linked to one main goal. Basically, his "lawfulness" isn't attributed to a _code_ , rather a driving desire to destroy the government.
1.5) In addition to this, chaotic characters can have lines- things they will do, things they won't do, etc. The best example of this is a chaotic character who doesn't kill or murder. They'll injure people, they'll commit arson and torture and terrify, but they wont commit murder themselves. Just because someone has hard rules / limits / desires doesn't necessarily mean that they're lawful.
1.5.5) A lot of the arguments I see here are "Techno has a code of ethics", which is a kind of moral code or key set of values. Which I understand entirely, but it's just that- ethics. Morality. Good and Evil. Techno's motivations fit into the Good / Neutral / Evil category of the chart, not necessarily the Lawful / Neutral / Chaotic part, which dictates how the characters achieve their goals.
1.5.5.5) I'm gonna get a lot of people arguing with this one, but hear me out. Lawful characters should follow a set of laws imposed by a group or by society. Be that the Hunter Code for a morally gray ranger, a Deity's code for a cleric, or even just the laws of society. _Everyone_ has things they will or will not do. That just comes with being human. People won't do things they think are morally wrong except for extenuating circumstances. Therefore once we've established that Lawful characters specifically follow an external set of rules as opposed to an internal one, we can see that Techno is very much Not Lawful.
2) This being said, he doesn't exactly fit the bill for chaotic either. Chaotic characters are more likely to achieve their goals _while_ creating chaos, or achieve their goals in an atypical way in order to create more chaos. As mentioned in the video, Techno doesn't always seem to do things for the sake of the chaos, more so chaos is a result of his actions.
3) Resulting chaos should also be factored somewhere into the chaotic argument though; while it can be argued that Techno's main goal isn't chaos, that doesn't mean he doesn't often intend for chaos to occur, and knowingly and happily cause chaos regularly.
4) This is where things get tricky: defining what the alignment chart means. Because while the _book_ gives a lot of the abstract concepts listed in the video, it's purposely vague. But we can dive a little deeper by establishing that Good / Neutral / Evil set a character's desires and motivations, while Lawful / Neutral / Chaotic establish HOW they accomplish those goals and desires. Sticking to your beliefs and morals doesn't make you lawful. But abiding by a code that governs your actions/ how you achieve your goals even (and this is important) when it hurts you or impedes your progress on said goals? That's what makes a lawful character.
4.5) You wouldn't say that a Chaotic character regularly deviates from what they want, right? You wouldn't say that a Chaotic character hardly obeys their own set of morals, right? It's more about the methods through which they achieve their goals, not necessarily how strongly they believe in their cause or goal.
5) The abstract concepts mentioned from the PHB in the video are good definitions in general, but they get a little complicated the more and more human / ambiguous a character gets. But one really, really important thing to remember is that Neutral characters are basically supposed to be the embodiment of whatever extreme they go to. Chaotic Neutral? Their only goal is to cause chaos. Neutral Evil? Their only goal is to, well, be evil (or impede the party, but the 9 square alignment chart gets pretty tangled as you take it out of a D&D context). Lawful Neutral? Their goal is to follow their law or code, *and they place that law or code over what their own goals are, or what they believe is right / wrong.* Technoblade believes the government is wrong, and therefore any Lawful or Chaotic restrictions that you'd put on him would conflict with that main goal.
*Here comes my argument: He's True Neutral.*
6) Preface this by reiterating what the original creator talked about at 5:24. People are more complicated than a nine square box. They're not going to fit perfectly, no matter what you do. That's part of why I, personally, see Techno as True Neutral. He doesn't (again, in my opinion) fit into any of the other categories enough to qualify placing him there.
7) I mostly agree with what the video said in terms of what makes him Neutral in terms of good/bad, but disagree with the statement that Neutral characters will fluctuate between Good and Evil (I talked about it a little bit above, but I can't go into it too much because of space).
8) Neutral in terms of Lawful / Neutral / Chaotic is typically defined as following the character's "law" (or code, whichever is applicable) until it impedes them from their goals, in which they switch to more chaotic methods (or methods that break whatever law is imposed upon them). With this definition in mind, it seems that Techno is very True Neutral: for the most part following the law (again, a term which I use liberally) until it's not helpful to him or actively gets between him and his goal.
9) True Neutral's whole thing is that whatever the True Neutral character deems important is what is the Most Important, and they'll try and achieve that goal through whatever means necessary. In this case, Techno's goals are (probably) 1. Destroying the government and 2. Protecting Phil. They don't care about _anything_ else that strongly, just that their goals are accomplished and that they / the people they care about are safe / happy.
*In Conclusion*
I can totally see either side of the argument, but to me Techno seems more True Neutral than Lawful Neutral or Chaotic Neutral.
I'd argue that you're raising the bar too high, true neutral isn't the "none of the above" option, that's unaligned (though tends to be reserved for creatures too stupid for morals) it's not just that techno has rules, it's that he's funded and destroyed the same revolution just to stick to his principle. Tbh I'd argue that he's lawful evil, using his principle to do the evil, though there introduction of technocrat as cannon muddies that a bit. And I absoloutely disagree that lawfulness must be imposed externally, we all have things we don't *want* to do but a lot of people are willing to compromise with it, lawful people not among them.
@@OwenOfElliott I totally get what you mean about the true neutral being "none of the above", I just kinda feel like it's more ambiguous than lawful / chaotic (in the sense that Techno's too chaotic for a lawful character and too lawful for a chaotic character). Again, my interpretation of Techno's character only really fits if you view alignment as Good/ Neutral/ Evil for motive and Lawful/ Neutral/ Chaotic for method, which is how I usually interpret the alignment chart. That was my argument for most of 1 through 5- that Techno's "rule" isn't actually a rule or a code, it's just "I believe that government is wrong, and therefore want to destroy any forms of it I come across". It'd be the same thing if a character was like "I don't like cats, so I'm gonna attribute my entire life to killing cats". Just because they stay true to an end goal, and put that goal above everything else, doesn't necessarily mean that they're lawful. In regards to your Lawful Evil thing, I can kinda see where you get that? Mostly I just think it's hard to categorize Evil outside of D&D, and that it's mostly just who we view in opposition to the protagonist (and it's hard to determine who is the protagonist in a media with a lot of really well developed characters and points of view). Anyway, thanks for the response!
@@augurly I tend to see good/evil as how much they care about morality and lawful/chaotic as how much they care about prestablished rules/principles. The reason I think technoblade is lawful evil is because he's done multiple massacres without really looking for a less murderous alternative. Dream SMP works on video game logic of little consequences so it's a bit difficult to tell, not to mention technochat. Killing cats isn't really a principle as much as a desire, if that's the whole of the character, CN. I will say my definition gets shaky with both evil characters and that most people who act on principles do it because they think it's right.
I dont agree with everything in this argument but it is well thought out, interesting, logical, and I appreciate it very much.
"I'll betray my friends for confetti."
"I'll betray my country for confetti."
-Technoblade
Dude, I never would have thought. That’s very interesting, especially from a writer perspective. That kind of layering where different reasons lead to different results I think is why the SMP is such an oddly compelling story.
Great video!
Dream just doesn't act on impulse, he manipulates this server, he knows every impact of every actions
Exactly! I was just about to comment on that. He is definetly evil, but there's no way in hell he's chaotic. He is a puppeteer, a tyrant, he calculates every move and manipulates each and every character on the server to get what he wants. It's either Lawful, or Neutral Evil. I like latter one more, because personally, I've never seen him following some strict set of rules. Though, this may very well be just my problem and there always was "The Moral Code of Dream trademark" that I missed somehow. And also this guy seems to follow his promises quite well, so, it's up to debate whether he's Lawful or Neutral. But I just don't see him as Chaotic at all.
@@captainfiri7619 he actually follows one rule: everything is dream smp
@@user-yw3ic8qc1h Wow this is fast
@@captainfiri7619 I think you have no idea how fast I really am , I'm fast asf BOI , still fast asf BOIIIIII !
@@user-yw3ic8qc1h I truly am not.
"69" has 2k already
Yea they got alot of subs cause this was recommended to alot of people
Bro that Law & Order x Pigstep at 0:00 was perfection
I'm noticing that every single 'good' character has drifted from that trait
Wonderfully done! I hope you grow more and continue what you're doing!
THIS SHOULD REALLY GET INTO PEOPLE'S RECOMMENDEDS
10/10 good vid (:
Yes thank you! I have played DnD a lot and I think that Techno is definitely a lawful neutral character. Most of the time when making a character I define "lawful" as having a moral code, rules, or patterns they follow. What that moral code is determines if they are good neutral or evil.
This video is way higher quality than I thought it'd be
This was surprisingly excellent and satisfying to watch, and you have a voice that is nice to listen to. You don't see a lot of women doing voiceovers so pls do keep making content!
y’all realize “chaotic” does not mean “random”??? a chaotic character is one who does not believe in the rule of law. someone who thinks society is better off without rulers, without supervision, without hierarchy. technoblade is exactly that. he literally believes in chaos as a guiding principle.
No what they mean is that techno follows there own personal laws while I do think he is chaotic I think that because technoblade doesn’t care about his actions he only cares if it achieves what he wants. chaotic to me feels like you don’t have any rules to achieving your goals
@@gooddoggo2831 i think not caring about methods is usually more of a neutral thing, but it’s also all very relative. a character who wants to help people by any methods necessary should probably be considered neutral good, unless the law interacts with their methods. if the law is helpful in that regard, they will be cast as the lawful character, but if the law is prohibitive and they actively fight against it then they would be cast as the chaotic character in the story. if you don’t care about how something gets done, only that it gets done then you’re not necessarily chaotic, because if you use the law to get that done then you’re at least for the time, lawful.
@@Hazel-xl8in not caring about methods is a chaotic thing in my opinion because what else is there only doing methods the worst way possible because that’s just lawful again what I consider lawful or chaotic is how unhinged is the person achieving there goals if they have to obey there own laws there lawful if they’re laws are more like guidelines they’re neutral if they don’t have any laws there chaotic
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You forgot to cover the renouncing of violence. Even if temporary, this was following a positive moral alignment.
Everyone talkin about how Technoblade betrayed Tommy, when really, Tommy betrayed Technoblade
THAT IS WHAT I WAS SAYING! EVERYONE BETRAYED TECHNO
they used him just to take the place of Schlatt to themselves.
I actually really enjoyed this
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I'm reminded of my lawful neutral warlock owen west who was prominent member of a dark noble family where his grandfather was a vampire. He lived on a simple code of honor, loyalty, second chances, and the family is always first. He would commit many crimes and fix many problems in the world, with the end goal being securing his families position and protecting his friends any promise he made he kept any alliance honored. But when it came time to unite the world he often threatened and blackmailed world leaders into it, he wanted to do good but most of the good he did was by accident.
Ladies and gentlemen, let me introduce you to what I call Lawful-Chaotic Neutral
"Alignment comes from the roleplaying game Dungeons and Dragons."
Me, a Town of Salem player: 0 - 0
Alignment in TOS is a bit different than D&D
bruh tos is from 2014, d&d has been around since the 70s
Do one for Tommy and Dream! THIS WAS AMAZINGGG
There's a technical chaotic element to Technoblade which comes from the chat's influence. In most ways, Techno is lawful because he follows his own code and has stated that he would never betray his own personal beliefs. However, the chat is pure chaotic neutral; the chat often wishes for chaos just for the sake of chaos with no moral alignment to be found. Because the chat (canonically referred to as the voices in Techno's head) has an influence on his decisions, this makes his character seem chaotic. Granted, Techno as a character has also said that he is actively trying to ignore the chaotic voices, so what it really comes down to is whether or not that struggle is internal or if the chat can be considered an external conflict. If it's internal than his character fluctuates between chaotic and lawful, but if it's external then he is a lawful character fighting a chaotic influence.
This is true
Honestly, Tommy isn't "good", he's just "innocent", as in, he has trouble differentiating right and wrong and so therefore, doesn't usually think through nor comprehend the outcome of his actions, he just does things he thinks he is perfectly justified in doing. He is growing into being a "good" character though, all he's got to do is to grow past his co-dependence on Wilbur and only stand up for what's right, which is what he usually does but he still needs to follow a more proper leader like Tubbo or Technoblade.
Update: not anymore
Cause he's dead?
clearly techno is lawful chaotic, he just replaced the good-evil with another law/chaos chart
Can one really put Technoblade as a lawful neutral character, when the only laws he follows is his own? Everyone has their own set of rules, their own set of morals. Technoblade can be seen many times choosing war over peace. As seen in the festival, he killed everyone, just to kill everyone. It's not like it accomplished much, he just felt like doing it. He plans to kill the government at the cost of his friends, and no matter how it gets accomplished. As stated by the D and D handbook "A chaotic neutral character is an individualist who follows their own heart and generally shirks rules and traditions. Although chaotic neutral characters promote the ideals of freedom, it is their own freedom that comes first; good and evil come second to their need to be free." I believe this description perfectly fits Technoblade, and will be developed when he eventually is imprisoned by Dream in the super high security compound.
when you think about it a lot of the points she made contradicts each other and i could see both, his true character is more of a chaotic persona but, he does change back and forth a lot and it is hard to track him and his emotions, recently i have been thinking about what he is currently while he is in his retirement which he has stated could be temporary. He is willing to jump back into battle to help out people close to him but he wouldn't really change his ideals and betray them because they are the reason he got involved, he stated that unless phil reached out and asked him to help he would stay out of as much conflict as he can.
Techno: the wildcard
You have fully changed my mind about technoblade’s character. I firmly believed that he was a force of chaos, but your carefully worded and very well made video made a lot of sense to me.
You’ve got the start of something really unique and special here. Keep up the good work.
i think i’m in love with this video, i love character breakdowns and i love techno’s character so much. this was also a really well structured video, it was written so well and very eloquently!! plus you used my favorite minecraft song in the background, ive watched this a total of 4 times now
I was discussing this with my friends a few weeks ago, and I ended up tripping over my words and called Techno a 'Chaotic Lawful' character. But that stupid brain fart, somehow, seemed to fit so well.
I totally agree with you Lawful Neutral is the best alignment for him.
So being a DM for a d&d campaigns, I believe you got this video spot on.
Techno fits lawful neutral so well and I never really thought about using the alignment chart on the dream SMP characters.
This was very good, very high quality, nice one!
I love the handpan music in the background
As a big DnD nerd: Technoblade is 100% lawful neutral, he has his own code. This code is his moral system just as a lawful good paladin's code (or tenets) are their moral system. Just because someone embraces and wants chaos doesn't necessarily mean they are chaotic. Chaotic Neutral means that someone will do *anything* to keep themselves alive, while not purposefully trying to spread malice or malcontent. CN doesn't have a moral code aside from their own personal goal. Techno follows his own personal goal, but he's always up front about it and as far as I can see hasn't ever lied to try to get his way.
For me he is chaotic he will do anything to achieve there goal he barley has a moral code he just helps the people who help him with mutual gain and achieving no government is his goal and he has no laws of not hurting people or not stealing
You summed up my thoughts on the matter exactly!! And hell yes, im also super intrigued by Techno's character and coming arc on the smp. Vids on some of the other character's alignments would be so cool to see too, but either way you gained a sub!
very good vid! it was nice to hear an analysis of the blade!
very well put!! even as a big dnd fan i can find it really hard to distinguish some alignments when it comes to character motivation but you put it into words wonderfully!!
I like to think of it like this, Lawful Good people keep the promise they make because its the right thing to do, Lawful Neutral keep the promise because it is a promise willing to take that promise to the grave, Lawful Evil will keep the promise but do things that could be classified as being problematic but just within the ranges of keeping the promise
Woah, the editing. Love it!
Understanding how alignments works pog
Big agree on this one, and also Dream as chaotic evil is also spot on
As a DnD player, I agree entirely that Technoblade is a Lawful Neutral, he fits most of the Lawful Neutral characters that I've encountered aswell as NPCs that the game itself provides.
From my understanding he started out as chaotic, but became more lawful as the series went on. The reason I think he started as chaotic was he treated the "voices in his head". His killing of Tubbo in the festival was a betrayal of all his ideals in the name of chaos, he was peer pressured by schlatt and the voices to kill him and he did it, for his need for violence and chaos was stronger than his conviction and self control. I also consider his first attack to be a chaotic action, that's because even if it didn't directly go against his ideals, it was motivated more by his anger of being betrayed than by a rational decision. But when he decided to go into hiding he started to activelly try to fight against his inpulses, not attacking new L'manburg until after they attacked him, not attacking Snowchester etc.
characters like technoblade (in the Dream SMP) make me question again and again if one could even make a decision between Lawful and Chaotic. They can have so much in common, if played right.
Considering that you are "new to the whole youtube thing" than you did a wonderful job on this video, and I 100% agree that techno is a lawful character
yooo this video was SO well put together!!! well done!!!!