I think i have this my hair feels thinner almost over night my curl pattern drops when it dries i have tried protien treatments and acv rinses but still not back to my normal hair texture i am so upset , are there any other tips you can share also how long approx can it take to reverse ? 😢🙏🙏 I cut out proiten for months and was washing my hair daily using deep conditioning treatments every wash . I straightened my hair for the first time in months and after that i washed it since then its never been the same its been 3 weeks 😢
Does the Babasu oil have the same penetrating and proteins as coconut oil? Another question, knowing how my hair disagrees with coconut oil , would it be safe to just use coconut oil, leave it in overnight as per your instructions then wash it out the next day and use the apogee moisture balance conditioner? Instead of using the aphogee protein treatment?
Hi Lynell B! GREAT QUESTION! Hygral fatigue can affect both low and high porosity hair BUT it is much much more common in high porosity hair because of the open cuticle. Even with low porosity hair, a pre-poo is still a good thing to do as a preventive measure, and it helps to minimize protein loss from the hair strand on wash day. 🤗
@@KarenofCurlHouse thank you so much! You're so kind! Well, I just did the porosity test, hair strand in a cup of water as u illustrated in another video, and my strands sunk. I'm not low-p as I thought. But I'm still glad I asked that question. God bless you Ms. Karen 🙏🏾💕
@@lynellb Do you color your hair? Use a lot of heat? Or style your hair quite a bit? I’m working on high porosity maintenance next week so that’s coming next.
@@KarenofCurlHouse I want to color my hair burgundy, I'm skeptical of the chemicals - getting my footing on moisturization 1st. I haven't used heat since before covid. I do style often, I also wear wigs bc natural hair is an all day event 🙄 but I still love my hair...☺️
Now that is a GREAT question -- YES! It can be corrected if it caused by too much moisture (like deep conditioning every other day, excessive co washing)! That's when you followup with protein to balance the hair. There's always the exception to the rule when the hair is so extreme that a hair cut is necessary,.
Hi Karen, in my crown area I believe I have hygral fatigue. I placed coconut oil in my hair as a prepoo but I found myself having to shampoo 3xs to wash it out. Should I prepoo with coconut oil every week??? I also have done protein treatments and my curls define everywhere but that crown area semi curls..
Hey there! If it takes you 3x to get out the pre-poo using coconut oil, then maybe you shouldn't use it. I would suggest Babassu oil which is also a penetrating oil. I use this as well. And yes -- you can pre-poo every time you wash your hair -- if you find it helpful for your hair. Otherwise, you can certainly scale back to bi-monthly. Typically your crown area hair texture and curl pattern does not match everything else so that's not uncommon at all.
Can using humectant based gels on soaking wet hair cause hydral fatigue over time? Even if drying with a hooded dryer and or diffusing?Btw, even after doing so, the hair is often still not fully dry afterwards. I’ve been using the no raw oils & butters method and just shampooing, conditioning then styling with botanical gels. My hair was thriving at first but now certain parts of my hair look like my texture has changed drastically and it seems permanent. My hair is dry , hard, rough and frizzy! The best way I can describe it is by using the hair typing chart (I don’t usually subscribe to it but it’s helpful here as an example). My hair has gone from a 3C to 4C in several places. I’m certain the only real fix is to cut it all off and start fresh but I don’t want to do that until I understand the root of the issue that caused it. Lastly, I’m finding that many who have implemented the no raw oils and butters methodology are experiencing the same issues. Thank you for your time and sorry for the lengthy message. 💖
I usually don't post comments, but this subject in particular is an emotional one for me. I've felt the pain and frustration of not knowing what's going on with my hair for years, and I know I would've appreciated clear answers from those who have experienced the same. So, as someone who has had severe symptoms of hygral fatigue for years (by severe symptoms, I mean my hair was falling out like crazy for years, my entire head of hair lost any and all pattern, I couldn't even brush it without much of it falling out and breaking, it felt dry and rough when dry and mushy when wet, etc.), here's my two cents. Yes, this could definitely cause hygral fatigue with time. If your hair, for whatever reason, is already moisturized enough, just doesn't need moisture, or needs protein, using humectant-based gels will draw in more moisture to your hair and will likely cause it to keep getting weaker, and therefore its pattern will change (as you've noted you're already experiencing). If you're drying it with a hooded dryer/diffusing but not drying it fully, this could also potentially contribute to hygral fatigue over time. Leaving your hair wet, even if it's not dripping wet, might be keeping your hair in a "swelling" state for prolonged periods of time. When I finally learned that I had hygral fatigue, I took some steps to bring my hair back without having to cut all of it off, and so far, it's been working! I'm not sure if you've already solved this problem, but I'll tell you what I did anyway in case you didn't. First, I stopped using moisturizing products altogether for months, but based on the description you've provided, I don't think your symptoms are as severe, so you don't have to cut out moisturizing products entirely. I don't know how many gels you're using, but I'd suggest that you stick to just one or two moisturizing product(s) for the time being as your hair heals. I think the most important thing to cut out is deep conditioning if you're still doing that. It may sound like a shock because everyone and their mother includes deep conditioning as an essential step in their haircare routine. I remember how upset I was when I found out that the deep conditioners I saved up for were only making my hair worse. Sure, they made my hair feel nice and soft when it was wet (maybe a little too soft), but once it was dry it was back to rough and frizzy with no curls. This in itself contributed to my hygral fatigue symptoms because I was leaving my wet/damp hair with a moisturizing product in it for at least 30 minutes, causing the hair to continue to swell and absorb even more moisture that it clearly doesn't need. If you're skeptical about this being a problem (as I was), maybe try cutting it out for a few washes and instead, do protein treatments and see how your hair likes it. That brings me to my next point. Although I had avoided it like the plague for years, protein is nonnegotiable. In fact, I'm certain that my hair wouldn't have been repaired without it. And no, I'm not talking about the eggs or mayonnaise in your fridge lol. I'm talking about proteins that will actually penetrate the hair like amino acids and hydrolyzed proteins. I've tried the ApHogee Two-Step Protein Treatment (it comes with a balancing conditioner) and the ApHogee Keratin 2 Minute Reconstructor, and I followed their respective instructions, of course. I bought and used both because my hair really needed it; the two-step is a hardcore protein-packed treatment I did once every month or so, and the 2 minute is not as powerful but still strong enough to use once a week for "maintenance" between hard two-step protein treatments. When I tell you I cried after using these products because I finally saw some curls coming back at a time when I thought my hair was at a point of no return!! After seeing nice results with the ApHogee products, I decided to supplement them with bond-building treatments like Olaplex. I was alternating between the Keratin 2 Minute Reconstructor and Olaplex every wash, and I sometimes used them in one wash. Again, your hair doesn't seem to be as damaged as mine was, so I recommend you incorporate these products, but maybe not to the extent that I did (try either the two-step OR the 2 minute, and then see from there if you want to add the other to your regimen if your hair needs it). I also began oiling my hair before washes, specifically with polar oils like coconut oil and avocado oil (although I will say that I stick to avocado oil because coconut oil leaves my hair stiff), as these penetrate the hair better than other oils and reduce hair swelling. Sealing the hair after it has dried might be a good idea (of course, you should probably seal with something light like grapeseed oil or moroccan oil), but I wouldn't deem sealing as important as pre-pooing. Lastly, diffusing my hair instead of air drying was, and still is, a must. I dry it fully because I wouldn't want to risk continued swelling of my hair as a result of keeping it even just a little wet or damp. Leaving it damp after diffusing doesn't seem like a big deal, but over time this habit can cause unnecessary swelling, which means unnecessary damage. I did cut about 5 inches of my hair once I decided to stick to this regimen, and I trimmed my hair every few months after that. For you, I'd say you can get away with trimming every few months without having to cut a lot of it off in one go. Of course, listen to your hair and figure out what it needs. This is what has helped me, but you know your hair best. Sorry for writing an entire article, but I really hope this has helped in some way! Feel free to ask me any questions, and good luck on your hair journey!!
I mistakenly overlooked the question but you responded FABULOUSLY! Thank you for sharing such valuable information! I know this is super late -- but I wanted to acknowledge this amazing info! 💜
Good post and video. A lot of people may experience severely matted tangled hair from this. And the hair breaks just as fat as dry dehydrated hair.
Coconut oil has the opposite effect on my hair, it made my hair feel oily yet dry. I’ve never experienced over moisturized hair, at least not yet.
Yep! Some people love it and some hate it! LOL! But good thing you don't have to deal with too much moisture! Its not a pretty feeling! LOL!
Karen I was thinking that the coconut oil might work for me as a prepoo , because previously I was just leaving it in until my next shampoo.
Wow this was so nice! Straight to the point. Thank you for sharing 💙🖤
You are very welcome! Thanks for watching!
Great analogy with the rubber band! Really helped me understand it in a new way 😊. Thank you !
Hello Eden! Thanks for tuning in!!!!! Always a pleasure to see you flash across my feed...
Very informative... thank you, Ms. Karen. I really miss the Thursday Evening LIVE Sessions.
They are coming back!!! I promise! I got you!
This was very educational thank you
I think i have this my hair feels thinner almost over night my curl pattern drops when it dries i have tried protien treatments and acv rinses but still not back to my normal hair texture i am so upset , are there any other tips you can share also how long approx can it take to reverse ? 😢🙏🙏
I cut out proiten for months and was washing my hair daily using deep conditioning treatments every wash .
I straightened my hair for the first time in months and after that i washed it since then its never been the same its been 3 weeks 😢
Thank you, really do appreciate what you doing. God bless
Another informative video. Thanks.
Thank you for this information!
How often should I do a protein treatment?
I record about once every 4 - 6 weeks -- if you have colored hair then maybe once per month
Thanks this was really useful and to the point
Glad it was helpful! 💜🙌🏾
What protein treatments did you suggest? I do not see a link.
Thank you for letting me know I forgot to include the link. Here goes: amzn.to/42dHg6N
What other oil can be used besides coconut oil? My hair hates coconut oil.😢
Babasu oil is a grest penetrating oil as well - got it in my hair now for my pre poo 😂
Does the Babasu oil have the same penetrating and proteins as coconut oil? Another question, knowing how my hair disagrees with coconut oil , would it be safe to just use coconut oil, leave it in overnight as per your instructions then wash it out the next day and use the apogee moisture balance conditioner? Instead of using the aphogee protein treatment?
How often should I wash my hair?
Hey there! I recommend about once a week or up to 10 days.
Question Ms. Karen, can we experience hydral fatigue if we have low porosity hair?
Hi Lynell B! GREAT QUESTION! Hygral fatigue can affect both low and high porosity hair BUT it is much much more common in high porosity hair because of the open cuticle. Even with low porosity hair, a pre-poo is still a good thing to do as a preventive measure, and it helps to minimize protein loss from the hair strand on wash day. 🤗
@@KarenofCurlHouse thank you so much! You're so kind! Well, I just did the porosity test, hair strand in a cup of water as u illustrated in another video, and my strands sunk. I'm not low-p as I thought. But I'm still glad I asked that question. God bless you Ms. Karen 🙏🏾💕
@@lynellb Do you color your hair? Use a lot of heat? Or style your hair quite a bit? I’m working on high porosity maintenance next week so that’s coming next.
@@KarenofCurlHouse I want to color my hair burgundy, I'm skeptical of the chemicals - getting my footing on moisturization 1st. I haven't used heat since before covid. I do style often, I also wear wigs bc natural hair is an all day event 🙄 but I still love my hair...☺️
Hygral fatigue can be corrected or heal?
Now that is a GREAT question -- YES! It can be corrected if it caused by too much moisture (like deep conditioning every other day, excessive co washing)! That's when you followup with protein to balance the hair. There's always the exception to the rule when the hair is so extreme that a hair cut is necessary,.
Thank U. 😊❤
You're welcome 😊
Hi Karen, in my crown area I believe I have hygral fatigue. I placed coconut oil in my hair as a prepoo but I found myself having to shampoo 3xs to wash it out. Should I prepoo with coconut oil every week??? I also have done protein treatments and my curls define everywhere but that crown area semi curls..
Hey there! If it takes you 3x to get out the pre-poo using coconut oil, then maybe you shouldn't use it. I would suggest Babassu oil which is also a penetrating oil. I use this as well. And yes -- you can pre-poo every time you wash your hair -- if you find it helpful for your hair. Otherwise, you can certainly scale back to bi-monthly. Typically your crown area hair texture and curl pattern does not match everything else so that's not uncommon at all.
Should I rotate (one week protein treatment; other week moisterizing conditioner)? And how many weeks should we use protein treatment?
Hey there! No … don’t rotate. Do protein about once a month (or every 6 weeks). You can do a moisturizing treatment weekly if you like
@@KarenofCurlHouse Okay. Thank you!
Can using humectant based gels on soaking wet hair cause hydral fatigue over time? Even if drying with a hooded dryer and or diffusing?Btw, even after doing so, the hair is often still not fully dry afterwards.
I’ve been using the no raw oils & butters method and just shampooing, conditioning then styling with botanical gels. My hair was thriving at first but now certain parts of my hair look like my texture has changed drastically and it seems permanent. My hair is dry , hard, rough and frizzy!
The best way I can describe it is by using the hair typing chart (I don’t usually subscribe to it but it’s helpful here as an example). My hair has gone from a 3C to 4C in several places.
I’m certain the only real fix is to cut it all off and start fresh but I don’t want to do that until I understand the root of the issue that caused it.
Lastly, I’m finding that many who have implemented the no raw oils and butters methodology are experiencing the same issues.
Thank you for your time and sorry for the lengthy message. 💖
Hello, any update?
I usually don't post comments, but this subject in particular is an emotional one for me. I've felt the pain and frustration of not knowing what's going on with my hair for years, and I know I would've appreciated clear answers from those who have experienced the same. So, as someone who has had severe symptoms of hygral fatigue for years (by severe symptoms, I mean my hair was falling out like crazy for years, my entire head of hair lost any and all pattern, I couldn't even brush it without much of it falling out and breaking, it felt dry and rough when dry and mushy when wet, etc.), here's my two cents.
Yes, this could definitely cause hygral fatigue with time. If your hair, for whatever reason, is already moisturized enough, just doesn't need moisture, or needs protein, using humectant-based gels will draw in more moisture to your hair and will likely cause it to keep getting weaker, and therefore its pattern will change (as you've noted you're already experiencing). If you're drying it with a hooded dryer/diffusing but not drying it fully, this could also potentially contribute to hygral fatigue over time. Leaving your hair wet, even if it's not dripping wet, might be keeping your hair in a "swelling" state for prolonged periods of time.
When I finally learned that I had hygral fatigue, I took some steps to bring my hair back without having to cut all of it off, and so far, it's been working! I'm not sure if you've already solved this problem, but I'll tell you what I did anyway in case you didn't.
First, I stopped using moisturizing products altogether for months, but based on the description you've provided, I don't think your symptoms are as severe, so you don't have to cut out moisturizing products entirely. I don't know how many gels you're using, but I'd suggest that you stick to just one or two moisturizing product(s) for the time being as your hair heals. I think the most important thing to cut out is deep conditioning if you're still doing that. It may sound like a shock because everyone and their mother includes deep conditioning as an essential step in their haircare routine. I remember how upset I was when I found out that the deep conditioners I saved up for were only making my hair worse. Sure, they made my hair feel nice and soft when it was wet (maybe a little too soft), but once it was dry it was back to rough and frizzy with no curls. This in itself contributed to my hygral fatigue symptoms because I was leaving my wet/damp hair with a moisturizing product in it for at least 30 minutes, causing the hair to continue to swell and absorb even more moisture that it clearly doesn't need. If you're skeptical about this being a problem (as I was), maybe try cutting it out for a few washes and instead, do protein treatments and see how your hair likes it. That brings me to my next point.
Although I had avoided it like the plague for years, protein is nonnegotiable. In fact, I'm certain that my hair wouldn't have been repaired without it. And no, I'm not talking about the eggs or mayonnaise in your fridge lol. I'm talking about proteins that will actually penetrate the hair like amino acids and hydrolyzed proteins. I've tried the ApHogee Two-Step Protein Treatment (it comes with a balancing conditioner) and the ApHogee Keratin 2 Minute Reconstructor, and I followed their respective instructions, of course. I bought and used both because my hair really needed it; the two-step is a hardcore protein-packed treatment I did once every month or so, and the 2 minute is not as powerful but still strong enough to use once a week for "maintenance" between hard two-step protein treatments. When I tell you I cried after using these products because I finally saw some curls coming back at a time when I thought my hair was at a point of no return!! After seeing nice results with the ApHogee products, I decided to supplement them with bond-building treatments like Olaplex. I was alternating between the Keratin 2 Minute Reconstructor and Olaplex every wash, and I sometimes used them in one wash. Again, your hair doesn't seem to be as damaged as mine was, so I recommend you incorporate these products, but maybe not to the extent that I did (try either the two-step OR the 2 minute, and then see from there if you want to add the other to your regimen if your hair needs it).
I also began oiling my hair before washes, specifically with polar oils like coconut oil and avocado oil (although I will say that I stick to avocado oil because coconut oil leaves my hair stiff), as these penetrate the hair better than other oils and reduce hair swelling. Sealing the hair after it has dried might be a good idea (of course, you should probably seal with something light like grapeseed oil or moroccan oil), but I wouldn't deem sealing as important as pre-pooing.
Lastly, diffusing my hair instead of air drying was, and still is, a must. I dry it fully because I wouldn't want to risk continued swelling of my hair as a result of keeping it even just a little wet or damp. Leaving it damp after diffusing doesn't seem like a big deal, but over time this habit can cause unnecessary swelling, which means unnecessary damage.
I did cut about 5 inches of my hair once I decided to stick to this regimen, and I trimmed my hair every few months after that. For you, I'd say you can get away with trimming every few months without having to cut a lot of it off in one go. Of course, listen to your hair and figure out what it needs. This is what has helped me, but you know your hair best. Sorry for writing an entire article, but I really hope this has helped in some way! Feel free to ask me any questions, and good luck on your hair journey!!
I mistakenly overlooked the question but you responded FABULOUSLY! Thank you for sharing such valuable information! I know this is super late -- but I wanted to acknowledge this amazing info! 💜
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