The Englishman forgets that the people the Romans conquered became Roman subjects and were granted the same rights, which is why the Visigoths fought to remain a part of the empire. You can't compare the power structures and racial legacy left behind by modern day imperialism to the institutions and unique cultures that followed the Romans.
In Ceylon (Sri Lanka), the people I met hate the legacy of the Portuguese and the Dutch but value that of the English who left far more...the Dutch the second most, the Portuguese nothing much at all because they were purely exploitative. The colonialism of the European powers wasn't the same (nor BTW, should it be equated with 'Imperialism' which has far wider implications). Capitalism treated it's "own" (Europeans) people very badly, but it developed the European nations as part of its search for profit...to the point where the legacy of this development could be partly appropriated by the common people, often after political/trade union, struggle. So it's the same all round - the fruits of development are later appropriated by those once exploited.
There used to be a very handsome young man who walked around Dublin in the late 70s . He had a mohawk hairdo , he was punk in appearance and I thought he looked amazing !! I was told he was Brendan Behan's grandson .. does anyone know if this was true?
Because the Englishman was a pompous, imperialistic arse-and it didn't help that the Englishman made a point of saying that the 26 Counties weren't "ready for independence". There's no way in hell Brendan Behan-"the Irishman" as you called him-was going to let the Brit get away with spewing shite like that. Also, I'm fairly sure "The American" was actually a Canadian. Given that the African was being totally condescended to by the Brit, why would you expect him to be FORE the Brit"?
Bitter I guess. Its not like the english were the only nation to go and conquer other lands. Most countries did it and still do it today. England had it done to them as well. The yanks love doing it too.
@@b.m.t.h.3961Bitter ? How are they bitter ? That is a moronic cop out of an argument from some one who clearly didn’t understand what was discussed and the context and the time period in which this was discussed . You clearly are thick as a ditch too Bitter of what by the way ? Much of Britain was a total divided shit hole after WW2 ! London might have been swinging but most parts north of Birmingham were not, certainly not by the late 1960s , economically. It was just as conservative too , though with a small c in contrast to even say, the US . Then came the Winter of discontent, Maggie Thatcher etc . IMF were in Britain by 1973 . Oh how the mighty had fallen Britain spent much of its time during the EEC days being bitter about the rise of West Germany and France and the fall of their Empire and preferred to get into stupid trade wars with France all the way through the 1980s when they should have been busy co-operating with more projects like Concorde and the channel tunnel (great feats of engineering) Bitter ? lol The three men in the studio are being asked to sit there is listen to nothing but complete rubbish from a man who gets easily shut down when he’s challenged. It’s like as if he intentionally went out to act the clown saying rubbish that he doesn’t really mean. It’s all a game to British Toffs . Bitter ? You are talking about at least two people who ,a mere 20-30 years before that tv show lived under the regime and had family live under it and know what they are talking about . The aftermath of British interference in those countries were most certainly felt all the way through 1969-1998 in the case of Behan’s country . America back then were a national for the good, most of the time but yeah, they too got a sniff of world power after WW2 and then took over from the British and liked it No one was talking about the French or German or Belgian Empires because the main antagonist is not from there nor did he try to waffle about those empires, he waffled about his own empire and sought to defend the views of a Canadian (Beaverbrooke ) who owed his position to the British Empire A major reason for the fall outs and wars pre Independence was partly due to the fact that while under British rule , it was a minority group , mostly loyal to Britain and hostile to the native quest for Independence, who had ran the country and his previous civil service etc . Britain wouldn’t just walk away , they often insisted on having military bases in the area and the continued access to the markets that was advantageous to the British and maybe not so advantageous to the natives . The British spent their time in those nations promoting minority groups loyal to them over the majority. Obviously Independence meant an end to that order and well, you have to crack a few eggs in order to make an omelette It says a lot that this has to be explained to you, 🔔 end
@@b.m.t.h.3961most countries didn’t conquer others actually. The discussion was about moronic comments made by a member of the British Empire and supported in studio by another moron . Why would they talk about the French, Spanish, Belgian or German Empires when they said nothing . ?
Hmm, American back then kinda was a force for the good. Least till the mid 1960s Look what they did which the Marshal Plan in Europe. West Germany and West Berlin were more or less up and running by the 1960s after a decade where everything had been bombed to shit . Americans played a big role in that. Many other European countries got helped out It’s somewhat easy to laugh at the American paranoid about Commies , but, well, look at how the Russians controlled East Germany, Poland , Hungary, and Czechoslovakia when people revolted in the 1950s .
04;10 'the english left a great civilisation behind them in India' - really ??. The great famine (1876'1878( approx 5 MILLION died yet england but that didn't stop tge english from breaking records in the amount of wheat they sent to england !. Then there was the Bengal famine (1943-44) 3 MILLION died this time and STILL the number of tonnes of wheat for england increased !. No, england DIDN'T 'leave behind a great civilisation behind' - england was FORCED out by a civilisation that realised it had a starving greedy parasite problem and Indus took action to get rid of it !
Behan was utterly incapable of a cohesive argument in person - he was slightly more able to align his thoughts into a somewhat logical and reasoned sequence using the written word!
Frankly, the whole thing is embarrassing to a nuanced mind. I’m Irish, and I’ve always found Behan to be little more than a blistering drunk. Alongside him some random colonial Englishman plucked straight out of the Big Book Of Random Toffs. Then a shouting American and God-only-knows-who from Africa chain-smoking his Lucky Strikes. This isn’t an intelligent debate; it’s a string of poor metaphors and mediocre debate. Deeply disappointing. Behan in particular spent his life playing to whatever crowd was available, often playing the drunken wit, or the sneering writer, or the canny moron. The guy literally gave birth to the stereotype of the “B’jaysus and begorrah” 20th century myth of an Irishman. I hate it.
Bit harsh, you might notice that he was encouraged to drink during interviews, in this particular instance, I think he held himself quite well in the face of such authoritative dickheads. Also I feel similar feelings watching this as reading Virginia Woolf’s A Room of One’s Own, that we’re still having the same conversation, and the elite are still not listening.
It would be great if the Irish (and other nations) were able to get on with their own personal development as an independent nation instead of parking themselves in a dark tunnel repeatedly looking at a video of what the English did to them. Move on and be happy.
Fair enough.....if only you Brits would stop trying to pretend you were just doing us a favour and not just raping and pillaging for profit. I'll let it go if you will but I won't let you dictate the narrative.
The Englishman forgets that the people the Romans conquered became Roman subjects and were granted the same rights, which is why the Visigoths fought to remain a part of the empire. You can't compare the power structures and racial legacy left behind by modern day imperialism to the institutions and unique cultures that followed the Romans.
In Ceylon (Sri Lanka), the people I met hate the legacy of the Portuguese and the Dutch but value that of the English who left far more...the Dutch the second most, the Portuguese nothing much at all because they were purely exploitative. The colonialism of the European powers wasn't the same (nor BTW, should it be equated with 'Imperialism' which has far wider implications). Capitalism treated it's "own" (Europeans) people very badly, but it developed the European nations as part of its search for profit...to the point where the legacy of this development could be partly appropriated by the common people, often after political/trade union, struggle. So it's the same all round - the fruits of development are later appropriated by those once exploited.
'The Englishman forgets that the people the Romans conquered became Roman subjects and were granted the same rights' - Quite simply not true.
I’m Brendan’s great grand son. I just wish I knew where my father is? Thank you for uploading 🙏
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@@danieljoseph369 he's bullshitting
I'm his cousin's great grandson, and Peadar Kearney's his uncle
Where were you born ?
He might be in a pub somewhere
I’m not related btw 😂
Brylcreem Bob seems like the Piers Morgan of the 1950s.
A very astute observation.
There used to be a very handsome young man who walked around Dublin in the late 70s . He had a mohawk hairdo , he was punk in appearance and I thought he looked amazing !! I was told he was Brendan Behan's grandson .. does anyone know if this was true?
If he was handsome he couldn't be related!
I remember that boy too , he was very beautiful in a raw way.
I was also told he was Behan’s grandson too …
It added to his mystery
The American the or Irishman and the African seem very against the Englishman. I wonder why?:/
Because the Englishman was a pompous, imperialistic arse-and it didn't help that the Englishman made a point of saying that the 26 Counties weren't "ready for independence". There's no way in hell Brendan Behan-"the Irishman" as you called him-was going to let the Brit get away with spewing shite like that. Also, I'm fairly sure "The American" was actually a Canadian. Given that the African was being totally condescended to by the Brit, why would you expect him to be FORE the Brit"?
KennBurch ...👍
Bitter I guess. Its not like the english were the only nation to go and conquer other lands. Most countries did it and still do it today. England had it done to them as well. The yanks love doing it too.
@@b.m.t.h.3961Bitter ? How are they bitter ? That is a moronic cop out of an argument from some one who clearly didn’t understand what was discussed and the context and the time period in which this was discussed . You clearly are thick as a ditch too
Bitter of what by the way ?
Much of Britain was a total divided shit hole after WW2 ! London might have been swinging but most parts north of Birmingham were not, certainly not by the late 1960s , economically. It was just as conservative too , though with a small c in contrast to even say, the US . Then came the Winter of discontent, Maggie Thatcher etc .
IMF were in Britain by 1973 . Oh how the mighty had fallen
Britain spent much of its time during the EEC days being bitter about the rise of West Germany and France and the fall of their Empire and preferred to get into stupid trade wars with France all the way through the 1980s when they should have been busy co-operating with more projects like Concorde and the channel tunnel (great feats of engineering)
Bitter ? lol
The three men in the studio are being asked to sit there is listen to nothing but complete rubbish from a man who gets easily shut down when he’s challenged. It’s like as if he intentionally went out to act the clown saying rubbish that he doesn’t really mean. It’s all a game to British Toffs .
Bitter ? You are talking about at least two people who ,a mere 20-30 years before that tv show lived under the regime and had family live under it and know what they are talking about . The aftermath of British interference in those countries were most certainly felt all the way through 1969-1998 in the case of Behan’s country .
America back then were a national for the good, most of the time but yeah, they too got a sniff of world power after WW2 and then took over from the British and liked it
No one was talking about the French or German or Belgian Empires because the main antagonist is not from there nor did he try to waffle about those empires, he waffled about his own empire and sought to defend the views of a Canadian (Beaverbrooke ) who owed his position to the British Empire
A major reason for the fall outs and wars pre Independence was partly due to the fact that while under British rule , it was a minority group , mostly loyal to Britain and hostile to the native quest for Independence, who had ran the country and his previous civil service etc . Britain wouldn’t just walk away , they often insisted on having military bases in the area and the continued access to the markets that was advantageous to the British and maybe not so advantageous to the natives .
The British spent their time in those nations promoting minority groups loyal to them over the majority. Obviously Independence meant an end to that order and well, you have to crack a few eggs in order to make an omelette
It says a lot that this has to be explained to you, 🔔 end
@@b.m.t.h.3961most countries didn’t conquer others actually. The discussion was about moronic comments made by a member of the British Empire and supported in studio by another moron .
Why would they talk about the French, Spanish, Belgian or German Empires when they said nothing . ?
Most people who are genius are ignorant to the fact that they are , and fools are just ignorant .Behan was a genius .
Love to see a North American speaking as if only other countries do colonialism
Hmm, American back then kinda was a force for the good. Least till the mid 1960s
Look what they did which the Marshal Plan in Europe. West Germany and West Berlin were more or less up and running by the 1960s after a decade where everything had been bombed to shit . Americans played a big role in that.
Many other European countries got helped out
It’s somewhat easy to laugh at the American paranoid about Commies , but, well, look at how the Russians controlled East Germany, Poland , Hungary, and Czechoslovakia when people revolted in the 1950s .
Nobody looks more like David lynch than Brendan Behan, and visa versa.
Second sons had to make a career out of foreign service. , the clergy or something. The oldest son inherited the title
Don’t diss Toad in the Hole Brendan 😄
Ah sher Brendan told the truth as far as I know & realise >>
His mind was already going by this time.,what a waste
04;10 'the english left a great civilisation behind them in India' - really ??. The great famine (1876'1878( approx 5 MILLION died yet england but that didn't stop tge english from breaking records in the amount of wheat they sent to england !. Then there was the Bengal famine (1943-44) 3 MILLION died this time and STILL the number of tonnes of wheat for england increased !. No, england DIDN'T 'leave behind a great civilisation behind' - england was FORCED out by a civilisation that realised it had a starving greedy parasite problem and Indus took action to get rid of it !
Chris Eubanks Dad?
Yes! My thought exactly.
Does look a bit like him.
Lol
As if the Romans made the people they conquered on the same level as them!!
Behan was utterly incapable of a cohesive argument in person - he was slightly more able to align his thoughts into a somewhat logical and reasoned sequence using the written word!
I think he spoke quite coherently here, that english lad was an embarrassment however.
Yes road in the hole I remember it well and yeah kind of meaningless tough dead animal encased in cement
Post Brexit and the current state of our Republic (Ireland) proves that ignorant fool wrong - Colonialism and Imperialism is fascism by another name.
he's incoherent.
Yes, and a pity too - Behan was way sharper than this debate suggests.
Poorly titled video
Beaverbrook was spot on
Beaverbrooke was 100% correct of course.
Frankly, the whole thing is embarrassing to a nuanced mind. I’m Irish, and I’ve always found Behan to be little more than a blistering drunk. Alongside him some random colonial Englishman plucked straight out of the Big Book Of Random Toffs. Then a shouting American and God-only-knows-who from Africa chain-smoking his Lucky Strikes. This isn’t an intelligent debate; it’s a string of poor metaphors and mediocre debate. Deeply disappointing. Behan in particular spent his life playing to whatever crowd was available, often playing the drunken wit, or the sneering writer, or the canny moron. The guy literally gave birth to the stereotype of the “B’jaysus and begorrah” 20th century myth of an Irishman. I hate it.
Word up, bro.
Have to agree unfortunately
You've obviously read none of his books.
Exactly
Bit harsh, you might notice that he was encouraged to drink during interviews, in this particular instance, I think he held himself quite well in the face of such authoritative dickheads. Also I feel similar feelings watching this as reading Virginia Woolf’s A Room of One’s Own, that we’re still having the same conversation, and the elite are still not listening.
It would be great if the Irish (and other nations) were able to get on with their own personal development as an independent nation instead of parking themselves in a dark tunnel repeatedly looking at a video of what the English did to them. Move on and be happy.
Fair enough.....if only you Brits would stop trying to pretend you were just doing us a favour and not just raping and pillaging for profit. I'll let it go if you will but I won't let you dictate the narrative.