Yes this was my first buy on aliexpress over a year ago. Incredible value: performance is as good or better than my nearly 30 year old flatline gold cable.
I assume they don’t use the construction methods of the original Micro Mono-Filament technology refers to Nordost’s patented process of separating the conductor from its FEP insulation. During production, each conductor is intricately and uniformly wrapped in a single strand (Micro) before being encased in an extruded layer of high quality FEP. The process for DMF is very similar, except that instead of a single strand, the conductor is wrapped in a twisted pair (Dual) of FEP Mono-Filament before the extrusion layer. This highly precise process allows every conductor to be surrounded by its own air dielectric. This revolutionary insulation process is directly responsible for the dramatic increase of signal speeds and excellent mechanical damping found in Nordost cables.
Reading that I'd rather say that they dont have marketing department and dont do poetry on insulation. Which may explain price difference (partially at least) ;) (intricately and uniformly wrapped, This highly precise process - gotta remember about this one for wrapping my christmas presents!)
I've always been interested in getting Nordost or even Analysis Plus Oval cables. But cost in experimenting isn't in my budget. I look forward to your review of the "Blue Heaven" cables!
@@jdsofar Glad you asked😁. Its about 4 days now with these cables and oh man.I will try to put it this way.If someone would have told me they changed something in my system and with out looking I have to try and figure out what it was.I would have guessed that they upgraded the DAC.There was an immediate and noticeable change.All positive.Sound stage widened and deepened. I can hear much more into the music with more detail separation and clarity.Better bass,better everything really.I would not have thought that this DAC(Fiio K11 R2R)would be able to show this much detail. I have had a few higher end amps and Dacs but I have never spent more than $50 on speaker cables or interconnects. The only other speaker cables I have ever used are Blue Jeans and the red ones from Amazon that Steve Huff talked about. I think that having access to these kinds of cables could wind up saving people alot of money and I don't mean on just cables. Before spending hundreds or thousands on upgrading various components just try these cables first and see what you think. 😉 It gives one the chance to sort of hack the whole idea of only buying cables that are price appropriate for your system. I'm getting the Odin Gold interconnects and an Odin coax cable in today.Cant wait to see what they do. When the SLP-90 clone arrives that I ordered almost a month ago I think I will be in Chi-Fi hog heaven. I already am honestly.
@@jdsofar I keep posting a reply and it keeps disappearing. Lets try again.Glad you asked😁. Its about 4 days now with these cables and oh man.I will try to put it this way.If someone would have told me they changed something in my system and with out looking I have to try and figure out what it was.I would have guessed that they upgraded the DAC.There was an immediate and noticeable change.All positive.Sound stage widened and deepened.Better bass,better everything really. I can hear much more into the music with more detail separation and clarity.
I would not have thought that this DAC(Fiio K11 R2R)would be able to show this much detail. I have had a few higher end amps and Dacs but I have never spent more than $50 on speaker cables or interconnects. The only other speaker cables I have ever used are Blue Jeans and the red ones from Amazon that Steve Huff talked about.
@@taho88 interesting because these blue Nordost cables are crazy cheap. I wonder if the Valhalla 2 would be even better. Only you could tell if you tried them
I took a chance on some lookalikes of these from another seller, and I am disappointed. For one thing, they are using the Nordost trademark on the heat shrink which is illegal for them to do (not that anyone can stop them unless Customs gets involved), but also the banana plugs are not the correct rolled-pin ones as shown above; they are the expanded-pin type that can break off in banana sockets. As they say, there is no honor among thieves, and apparently there's no consistency either.
@@k4syx True, the store you buy from affects things. Also, the image of the product from the seller I ordered from had the correct bananas, but the ones I received were different. What am I going to do, send them back to China? I guess I'm going to live with them for now.
@@Acoustic_Theory Well if they differ physically from the photos you may apply for a refund (full or partial) - you'd need to open a dispute and provide photos clearly marking differences to the Ali crew that would step in wouldnt have to find them on their own. It usually works especially if youre a regular Ali buyer, this builds trust both ways.
If for whatever reason you encounter to have some cable length left how would you prevent coiling when the cable tends to be circular? is there some kind of thing that comes to your mind that can be used as a separator?
Its stiff, I would make it flat by bending it the other way around. Ive actually done that a couple of times already when the coiling was bothering me :)
@@gianromanigroup it's ready actually (minus listening test, first look like this one) and scheduled to go live after the weekend. O need to find time to do the listening soon :)
I'm on the fence for Berlasse. These are Tokban made (AFAIR) and look good, but the numbers in the description (like snr) could be better. I do like the looks, functionality and mostly the fact they are representing their own brand though.
@@christophergaus3996 yes the teaser:) Thing is I just had no time for listening sessions and there's a line of equipment to be reviewed that are waiting longer. So honestly it will take some more time as I have go to through DO200Pro and Gryphon first (at least these two)
Good to know cheap solution exists! I wonder what you recommend for connecting dac with amp(rca)? Its quite short cable i need, so i believe most expensive will be connectors, not the wire. Any AliExpress links are appreciated:)
@@k4syx i m not quite sure, dac is smsl su1, hp amp is brzhifi e600. I definitely wont spend more than 30-40$ for it, 10-25 would be optimal. Ofc if i have better gear, probably would aim higher aswell. Also would like to get better usb audio cable(for dac), not sure how much it will give benefit tho.
@@nw6066 USB cable effect is miniscule (but there is one). For USB you can go with this one: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DcAIHvB (the review is scheduled for 11th). For RCAs go for fake Odins: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DdX9LPT (choose RCA and length you need). These would be the best budget cables around.
Bought it too.. $15 cheaper than amazon speaker cable .. the reason i look at it as a standard .. blue satndadd .. better .. much better or day and night different than the blue standard.. then we know how good the fake dragon or the others by comparing with the blue standard .. Well , should I try to put cooking aluminium foil around these cheap speaker cables to see any emi creating some noise or have any improvement .. and then felt itchy .. then bought Nordost Odin 2 Gold Speaker Cable They claim the latter is silver strands .. haha if it is not much better than blue standard on average or more in detail or midrange ..
I’m big fan of Nordost cables, but I just don’t understand the appeal of buying a knockoff. Anyone who knows the real product will spot a fake anyway, so why bother? I get it that most people don’t want to pay the prices the genuine Nordost cables command, but people buying these and other knockoffs are just fooling themselves. Btw, every genuine Nordost cable has a serial number which they can use to verify authenticity, so you won’t even be able to sell these a the real thing later on.
@@RichTeer yes these are obviously fakes but that's not the point here :) The point is to check how do they sound. If the main "ingredients" for good sound "recipe" are materials and geometry, then following that recipe with the same geometry but lower quality materials should still be worth something. And the question is, how much of the final result comes from geometry, and how much of it comes from materials purity. That's what I'm trying to learn here reviewing them. And maybe, maybe to learn something on geometries too; which ones do work, what are common themes here.
@@k4syx Exactly this. I just read through a thread on Audiogon about these various Nordost cables from Ali. I was surprised how many of these guys with high end systems are using these cables.There were no arguments about how good they sound. Only a few saying its unethical and not moral,etc...
😅😅😅es gibt Sachen die man nicht auf aliexpress kauft. Die Katze im Sack sagt man in Deutschland..Sommer cable elefant 4x2.5mm2 is for 6€/m. An exzellent cable.
@@thomasschafer7268 Yes I'm familiar with Sommer, I'm using some types for custom headphone cables. I've tested Sommer speaker cables some time ago (a few years?) to compare them with mogami and canare. They were good, but to my surprise basically all "audiophile" speaker cables I got at that time (real!) were better: some wireworlds, QED, chords and lower end of line AudioQuests. On the other hand every Sommer cable is miles ahead of cheap copper transparent isolation cables that are sold on every corner
Yes this was my first buy on aliexpress over a year ago. Incredible value: performance is as good or better than my nearly 30 year old flatline gold cable.
Bought a set on Aliexpress for 15 pounds. They are excellent
I think they may be the best cheap option with that pricing levels
I assume they don’t use the construction methods of the original
Micro Mono-Filament technology refers to Nordost’s patented process of separating the conductor from its FEP insulation. During production, each conductor is intricately and uniformly wrapped in a single strand (Micro) before being encased in an extruded layer of high quality FEP. The process for DMF is very similar, except that instead of a single strand, the conductor is wrapped in a twisted pair (Dual) of FEP Mono-Filament before the extrusion layer. This highly precise process allows every conductor to be surrounded by its own air dielectric. This revolutionary insulation process is directly responsible for the dramatic increase of signal speeds and excellent mechanical damping found in Nordost cables.
Reading that I'd rather say that they dont have marketing department and dont do poetry on insulation. Which may explain price difference (partially at least) ;)
(intricately and uniformly wrapped, This highly precise process - gotta remember about this one for wrapping my christmas presents!)
@@k4syx the strands are double wrapped first individually then into the set… I gather from the description
@@JingoLoBa57 Yes but you got that in one precise line without the need for block of poetry :D
I've always been interested in getting Nordost or even Analysis Plus Oval cables. But cost in experimenting isn't in my budget. I look forward to your review of the "Blue Heaven" cables!
Go to a hifi show or dealer for one of Nordost’s free cable demonstrations. They’re pretty eye (ear?) opening!
Just took a punt on these.$25 for 8ft. Will see how they compare to my Blue Jeans Cables.
Verdict?
@@jdsofar Glad you asked😁. Its about 4 days now with these cables and oh man.I will try to put it this way.If someone would have told me they changed something in my system and with out looking I have to try and figure out what it was.I would have guessed that they upgraded the DAC.There was an immediate and noticeable change.All positive.Sound stage widened and deepened. I can hear much more into the music with more detail separation and clarity.Better bass,better everything really.I would not have thought that this DAC(Fiio K11 R2R)would be able to show this much detail.
I have had a few higher end amps and Dacs but I have never spent more than $50 on speaker cables or interconnects. The only other speaker cables I have ever used are Blue Jeans and the red ones from Amazon that Steve Huff talked about. I think that having access to these kinds of cables could wind up saving people alot of money and I don't mean on just cables. Before spending hundreds or thousands on upgrading various components just try these cables first and see what you think. 😉
It gives one the chance to sort of hack the whole idea of only buying cables that are price appropriate for your system. I'm getting the Odin Gold interconnects and an Odin coax cable in today.Cant wait to see what they do. When the SLP-90 clone arrives that I ordered almost a month ago I think I will be in Chi-Fi hog heaven. I already am honestly.
@@jdsofar I keep posting a reply and it keeps disappearing. Lets try again.Glad you asked😁. Its about 4 days now with these cables and oh man.I will try to put it this way.If someone would have told me they changed something in my system and with out looking I have to try and figure out what it was.I would have guessed that they upgraded the DAC.There was an immediate and noticeable change.All positive.Sound stage widened and deepened.Better bass,better everything really. I can hear much more into the music with more detail separation and clarity.
I would not have thought that this DAC(Fiio K11 R2R)would be able to show this much detail. I have had a few higher end amps and Dacs but I have never spent more than $50 on speaker cables or interconnects. The only other speaker cables I have ever used are Blue Jeans and the red ones from Amazon that Steve Huff talked about.
@@taho88 interesting because these blue Nordost cables are crazy cheap. I wonder if the Valhalla 2 would be even better. Only you could tell if you tried them
I have seen these on eBay as well, but with the Nordost branding removed to avoid concerns about counterfeit product.
These are probably the same, the cable itself doesnt have any branding and heatshrinks are just for aesthetic reasons.
I took a chance on some lookalikes of these from another seller, and I am disappointed. For one thing, they are using the Nordost trademark on the heat shrink which is illegal for them to do (not that anyone can stop them unless Customs gets involved), but also the banana plugs are not the correct rolled-pin ones as shown above; they are the expanded-pin type that can break off in banana sockets. As they say, there is no honor among thieves, and apparently there's no consistency either.
Yes, that's true, that's why if I link, I link to the exact stores I got my stuff from as what you actually get can wildly differ from store to store
@@k4syx True, the store you buy from affects things. Also, the image of the product from the seller I ordered from had the correct bananas, but the ones I received were different. What am I going to do, send them back to China? I guess I'm going to live with them for now.
@@Acoustic_Theory Well if they differ physically from the photos you may apply for a refund (full or partial) - you'd need to open a dispute and provide photos clearly marking differences to the Ali crew that would step in wouldnt have to find them on their own.
It usually works especially if youre a regular Ali buyer, this builds trust both ways.
i bought a similar set on aliexpress i have no need to change ,great...
If for whatever reason you encounter to have some cable length left how would you prevent coiling when the cable tends to be circular? is there some kind of thing that comes to your mind that can be used as a separator?
Its stiff, I would make it flat by bending it the other way around. Ive actually done that a couple of times already when the coiling was bothering me :)
please make a video about the fake Red Dawn, we want to see it better and try a comparative listening session with the original one thank you
@@gianromanigroup it's ready actually (minus listening test, first look like this one) and scheduled to go live after the weekend. O need to find time to do the listening soon :)
@@k4syx great! Thank you I am waiting for the new video
Looking forward to the Berlasse monoblocks review...
I'm on the fence for Berlasse. These are Tokban made (AFAIR) and look good, but the numbers in the description (like snr) could be better. I do like the looks, functionality and mostly the fact they are representing their own brand though.
I'm a little surprised we haven't seen the FM preamp review. We got the teaser 😊🎉
@@christophergaus3996 yes the teaser:)
Thing is I just had no time for listening sessions and there's a line of equipment to be reviewed that are waiting longer. So honestly it will take some more time as I have go to through DO200Pro and Gryphon first (at least these two)
@@k4syx No worries, part of having so much awesome gear 😁
Come sempre grazie per i tuoi interessati video. Grazie molte
Thank you! Grazie!
So so cheap I paid around a thousand pounds for my set! Congratulations on such a bargain!
Good to know cheap solution exists! I wonder what you recommend for connecting dac with amp(rca)? Its quite short cable i need, so i believe most expensive will be connectors, not the wire. Any AliExpress links are appreciated:)
What's your budget for this cable?
@@k4syx i m not quite sure, dac is smsl su1, hp amp is brzhifi e600. I definitely wont spend more than 30-40$ for it, 10-25 would be optimal. Ofc if i have better gear, probably would aim higher aswell. Also would like to get better usb audio cable(for dac), not sure how much it will give benefit tho.
@@nw6066 USB cable effect is miniscule (but there is one). For USB you can go with this one: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DcAIHvB (the review is scheduled for 11th). For RCAs go for fake Odins: s.click.aliexpress.com/e/_DdX9LPT (choose RCA and length you need). These would be the best budget cables around.
@@k4syx thanks a lot for advice!
How do those cables sound ?
Very good and even excellent for the price, I will do a full review when time permits (I do these in my free time after my regular work)
@k4syx thanks
Bought these! They sound great!
And they are cheap, great value!
Bought it too.. $15 cheaper than amazon speaker cable .. the reason i look at it as a standard .. blue satndadd .. better .. much better or day and night different than the blue standard.. then we know how good the fake dragon or the others by comparing with the blue standard ..
Well , should I try to put cooking aluminium foil around these cheap speaker cables to see any emi creating some noise or have any improvement
..
and then felt itchy .. then bought Nordost Odin 2 Gold Speaker Cable
They claim the latter is silver strands .. haha if it is not much better than blue standard on average or more in detail or midrange ..
Got them as well. Bought them bc they were cheap. 😂
Very very good reason! :)
I’m big fan of Nordost cables, but I just don’t understand the appeal of buying a knockoff. Anyone who knows the real product will spot a fake anyway, so why bother? I get it that most people don’t want to pay the prices the genuine Nordost cables command, but people buying these and other knockoffs are just fooling themselves. Btw, every genuine Nordost cable has a serial number which they can use to verify authenticity, so you won’t even be able to sell these a the real thing later on.
@@RichTeer yes these are obviously fakes but that's not the point here :)
The point is to check how do they sound. If the main "ingredients" for good sound "recipe" are materials and geometry, then following that recipe with the same geometry but lower quality materials should still be worth something.
And the question is, how much of the final result comes from geometry, and how much of it comes from materials purity.
That's what I'm trying to learn here reviewing them. And maybe, maybe to learn something on geometries too; which ones do work, what are common themes here.
@@k4syx Exactly this. I just read through a thread on Audiogon about these various Nordost cables from Ali. I was surprised how many of these guys with high end systems are using these cables.There were no arguments about how good they sound. Only a few saying its unethical and not moral,etc...
😅😅😅es gibt Sachen die man nicht auf aliexpress kauft. Die Katze im Sack sagt man in Deutschland..Sommer cable elefant 4x2.5mm2 is for 6€/m. An exzellent cable.
@@thomasschafer7268 Yes I'm familiar with Sommer, I'm using some types for custom headphone cables. I've tested Sommer speaker cables some time ago (a few years?) to compare them with mogami and canare. They were good, but to my surprise basically all "audiophile" speaker cables I got at that time (real!) were better: some wireworlds, QED, chords and lower end of line AudioQuests. On the other hand every Sommer cable is miles ahead of cheap copper transparent isolation cables that are sold on every corner
@@thomasschafer7268 (and we have exactly the same saying here! :) )
Looks fake