25:10 that once has happened in the History of philosophy, old Wittgenstein, and lenguage games (I don't know the terms in English) against young men Wittgenstein Tractatus.
This is hilarious! Way back I had a philosophy 101 professor who claimed Nietzsche slept with his sister and used this to dismiss talking about him in his class. Years later, now I know the exact source from which this crazy story entered into the American zeitgeist. Good work Weltgeist!
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts hahaha yeah, he was a relatively new professor who was a Lutheran pastor if I recall correctly, so it's not hard to imagine he had an obvious axe to grind. As Weltgeist pointed out in the video, the rumors from this book really stoked the confirmation bias for certain people. To be fair though, he had some interesting insights on Kierkegaard, Kant, and Aristotle; he really struck me as someone studied theology, but only read some philosophy in passing. As he saw things though, Nietzsche's moral philosophy was one which justified evil and this was evidenced by his supposed act of incest with his sister. I do remember now one other stellar line of his where he said Nietzsche would have "supported school shootings." Yeah, his redeeming qualities were sorely diminished by his zeal.
@@a.wenger3964 ahh.. i see, I'm not surprised. He probably misinterpret the "God is dead, and we have killed him. How will we comfort ourselves the murderer of all murderers ..." And probably don't even know the full quote. Also, i am not surprised he is well read on Kierkegaard, Kant and Aristotle, esp. Kant; his Categorical Imperative can be used as the ultimate for Christian Morality. Lol Theology always include some philosophy. They will usually know Bachelors level philosophy.
I heard that too, at Melbourne University. Its just staggering what some say to avoid difficult thought. Mind you, today such incestuous transgressions might be lauded as a proof of truth, cf Foucault's perversion.
I had accepted the story about Nietzsche crying for the horse as fact, but around the same time I read that biography I read "Crime and Punishment," and wondered if he had taken the idea from there because it's exactly what happens with the protagonist as a child: some jerk is flogging an old horse and letting more and more people pile on the carriage so it'll struggle harder, a couple people protest and he insists that he can do whatever he wants with his property, the protagonist runs to the horse and gets in the way, etc. I hope it's fiction for the horse's sake. 😢
Before we rush to judgments this scene of horse beating must have been indecently commonplace. Both Dostoevsky and Nietzsche plus countless others must have witnessed some such, and a few tender souls crack.
This was not all too uncommon back in the day in Europe. You can even find videos and accounts of it happening in countries where horses are still in use, like in India. Stressed and humiliated people sometimes take their anger out on draught animals. In our societies it manifests in domestic abuse and drugs, I suppose.
It makes sense chronologically that Nietzsche would have just completely missed Marx. His most famous work, The Communist Manifesto, was written in 1848 but didn’t enjoy even moderate popularity until the 1870’s. The period where Marx was really starting to take off in popularity, the 1880’s-1890’s, was when Nietzsche went insane.
After the mid 1870s or the early 1880s Nietzsche also was probably very cynical of every new, upcoming authors who weren't, well... Nietzsche lol. My guess would be that if he ever came across Marx he probably dismissed him as a foolish, optimistic Hegelian who criticized Europe for all the wrong reasons and wasn't worth his time.
Didn't know about the existence of this book, and your approach on the matter and of Nietzschean philosophy is fantastic! Thanks for the insight and keep up the good work!
"Betrayed him" This is unnecessary strong language, it is clear from the personal letters exchanged between Nietzsche's friends that they were genuinely concerned about his health, and it's clear that Nietzsche's final works do show signs of megalomania that simply weren't present earlier. His sister, is, indeed, an entirely different story.
@@WeltgeistYT Thank you, but no, not enough. It focuses too much on the contents of the books, and doesn't take into account perspectives of his close contacts, such as the ones I've related here - reading through those strongly suggests it wasn't mere parody, Nietzsche was also starting to lose it already. A mental collapse rarely happens overnight.
I knew this book, and even thought it was a genuine work of Nietzsche, because I read it in an old Spanish compilation of his books. I'm not going to lie by saying that I was very confused in the analysis of the philosopher. I was quite alarmed to think that he allegedly committed incest, and I came to despise his work at first because of that. It is not until now that I find out that it is probably false, and all the better so, because it makes much more sense this way. Excellent video!
The first time I learnt about the book "Meine Schwester und ich" I was intrigued, I searched the internet and found a few of passages, then I learnt about the controversy sorrounding its authorship, and gradually lost interest. The second time I heard about it was at Uni. One of my philosophy professors (who was a Catholic Christian) said that Nietzsche had admitted to having an incestuous relationship with his sister in one of his books and he implied that this somehow discredited Nietzsche as a thinker. I obviously considered the comment completely inapproptiate but not so much because he never mentioned the controversy sorrounding the authorship of the book he was quoting from (perhaps he wasn't aware of it), but rather because he was using an palpable ad-hominem against Nietzsche and that is an unpardonable sin for a philosophy teacher.
Well reasoned! I think the incest “reveal” is particularly intriguing. Someone must have really wanted to make old Fritz look bad. The “Detroit” material is also suspicious. Nice work.
I really really Love this channel, i learned so much about German Philosophie and Philosophie in General as a German mysel. I really See, how you have improved your Videos. And it IS really good,that the music was Just playing in the introcoction. Otherweise IT would have been too distracting.
I love your channel so much. I've got really interested in Philosophy lately, mainly thanks to Camus, Sartre and Schopenhauer. I've been listening to your videos every night for 1 month now while taking a bath because it simply helps me switch off while I'm studying a lot about Philosophy. I can't describe why, but for some reason I am extremely interested in these topics and I feel that this will slowly become a hobby, is there such a thing at all? Thank you!
Why do non-phili student who are newly interested always start with Sartre or Camus 😄 i guess they are cool and relevant to the state of the modern world. You should start with Plato's Theory of Forms, every metaphysics since theory of forms is a footnote to it, even Christian metaphysics. Compared to other philosophies, Existentialism is much more of a movement which is philosophical, rather than pure philosophy. Sartre and Heidegger's makes it most philosophical.
I imagine how his friends and family were trying to help Nietzsche be stable and not release any of his work in this state. He did not write this book because the book is condemning and anti-individual instead of supporting a freewill and not condemning. He initially represented self accountability based on the will of the individual to be good or bad or neither.
Dahil dito naalala ko yung sinasabing “retraktasyon” ni Gat Rizal ukol sa pananampalatayang katoliko’t himagsikan na patuloy na iginigiit ng prayleng totoong nangyari raw. This reminded me of Dr. Rizal’s supposed “Retraction” that he supposedly went back to his catholic faith and turned his back to the Revolution days before his execution.
I ve heard this for first time. I ve red almost everything of Nietzsche. Not this, and not Will to Power... I live in Serbia and read Nietzsche since I was teen.
First time I hear about the book. Let me commend you on the magnificent work of presenting it as something to engage with rather than dismissing it upfront. Kudos
Would you like to make a video about "Human, all to human"? There is Eternalised's video which is well made, but 10 min are very short for a book with over 1000 aphorisms and which is a turning point for Nietzsche's development.
In the modern internet age these things happen all the time. Always you hear about some metal star or even Anton Shandor Lavey turning to Christianity ✝️ upon death and asking for forgiveness. Same was said of De Sade too. It’s all devotes of Christianity that attempt these things all the time after the death of someone who attacked Christianity. They are easily identified as fake because the works not only are contradictory to that particular person’s beliefs but are also always simplistic in their nature. They will often use big worlds to describe the most common or primitive religious thought.
Just to follow up with my comment they did exactly the same to Oscar Wilde. In that he stopped being gay , attended confession and became a good Christian. Fake opinions should only be read in order to expose them but should never be taken seriously. The underlying principle is that Christians take to heart any criticism of their mythology. Nicholas Kopernikus knew this centuries ago that’s why he devoted his work to the pope. While Galileo who openly supported the work of Kopernikus was burned at the stake because he was not so diplomatic and exposed Christianity ✝️ as a hokes and ignorant.
Lastly In Zarathustra he states that people will bend and twist his words to press on forth with their faith and personal beliefs etc… Reading these type of books in no different than reading the De Vinci Code. When Brown dies he will also be quoted as dying a good Christian asking for forgiveness because he was wrong 😑. Herd mentality has no limits when it comes to stupidity.
In psychiatry there is no such thing as madness, there are mental illnesses with actual names, he suffered from intense migraines, depression, and finally dementia. No such thing as "insanity"
To me, the most blatant evidence that Nietzsche never read Marx is that Nietzsche's Will To Power and Slave Morality are analogous to Marx' class struggles and dialetical materialism, but Marx engages in criticizing the dominant ideology and the unsustainability of capital that seems to directly criticize Nietzsche's conception of a Master's Morality, something that goes unadressed in his work. I feel like if someone writes about the same thing you do but with a different framing that criticizes your opinions on it, you would write about it at least once, but Nietzsche doesn't.
Lol that's like saying that the lack of Atlantis before plato, during his life or after him is detrimental to the authenticity of the myth. Like the lack of proof of a flat earth is detrimental to the authenticity of a flat earth. The whole thing is sham.
Did Nietzsche really propose to Lou Salomé? Wasn't that disproved on Kaufmann's book where he mentions that the letter was forged to infuriate his sister and he actually wanted Rée to marry Lou?
Whos will to power is it when someone fakes a book for their side? The person using their power to overturn a philosophy like this, or does it go back to the original Christian (Jesus) who has tansfixed so many people, to the point that they would Lie and fake books for his cause?
Great video. I did already know about this book; I believe first via Walter Kaufmann, who did not accept it as authentic. In fact, I've read a few remarks about it over the years, no one I've read vouched for it, and it was even implied by some to be pornographic, though I noticed you did not say that it was. Obviously, I've never read it, and the big surprise watching the video was that you did not discourage reading it (in spite of also doubting the authenticity). Interesting!
I didn't realize "Ecce Homo" was from right before his breakdown, but it makes sense because if I'm remembering the correct book there were bizarre proclamations like "why I write such great books," and other weird and needlessly proud things he wouldn't have written before. I think that was also the one where he was despairing over the idea that his words didn't translate very well to French or English and did not have the same cadence or prose (it was some poetry-related phrase) and I thought that seemed strange.
It sounds believable and levy's daughter might have lied to distance the memory of her father's memory from the scandalous contents of the manuscript. However, it could also be a fake. Interesting read either way.
His conversion to Christianit & the oddities in his writing: usage, tone, etc could be attributed to his mental breakdown causing some personality shift but the inclusion of Freudian concepts is the most reliable red-flag/inconsistency, indicating a forgery. Apologies for the multiple replying to my op, i cant edit comments with this phone. :-p thx for dropping by😃
Had to stop at 0:37 as I just picked up crime and punishment. Does it ruin the book at all past this point? Should I just wait until I’m finished? Or can I skip ahead without it affecting the video? Anyone answering would be appreciated
I've seen that you're using pictures of Nietzsche where he's got a huge mustache. I've read they we're edited by his sister. That being said, isen't it about time you make a video on Nietzsche's sister? There are many interesting lines; nazism, The Will to power (book) etc
I'm glad I watched this. I was going to buy this book until I seen this dubious text said Nietzsche was giving in and submitting to Christianity. Nietzsche's fierce opposition to Christianity is the main reason I love Nietzsche. I'm so glad you warned me my friend. This author was definitely a Christian slave recruiter
I loved this video because I know Nietzsche fairly well but had no idea this book existed. The quoted passages made me laugh a couple times. Imo, you only highlighted one problematic element where you could have done several in each case. I can't imagine this as bias, it's just not Nietzsche.
if Nietzsche had a deathbed reconciliation it would be with Schopenhauer, not Christianity. i’m not familiar with this work but those included passages don’t feel like Nietzsche’s writing. who knows what years in an asylum could do to man with apparent moments of lucidity tho, not that i buy this story legitimacy, but i would be curious to what conclusions such a Nietzsche would come to. personally i don’t think such circumstances would change his mind, rather they would force him to double down on his previous assertions, as they were a product of, in some sense, not so dissimilar circumstances.
Thank you for another great video. I wasn’t aware of this book. I felt like it’s an act of treason, picturing him as a repentant Christian. 😳 oh well! I’ll never buy the book, of course!
Neitz: ya hate me cuz ya ain't me, son, Now scram befo I ZaraTHRUST ya bum! This will hurt eternally recurring at every turn. Amor Fati! Now feel this burn!
It's not fake - it is clearly the writings of the great-man - although organised in a fashion he likely wouldn't have approved of. It's still a valuable read - I would argue it may even contain some of the most valuable, off-the-cuff remarks that the great immoralist ever made.
There's a whole bunch of them different publisher's and that weird abstract translation of thus spoke Zarathustra where he is wandering outside all these animals keep proposing ridules his writings are all weird symbolstl that made them hallucinate what they should know😂posted ebay he wrote them then process philosophy
It would a take a lengthy treatise to properly critique your analysis of this book. It should be done. To start with the most glaring is your dismissal of the city of Detroit as being culturally irrelevant to Nietzsche at the time of the books creation but Detroit was in fact known as the Paris of the West for its interest in contemporary art attested to by its impressive collection of impressionistic art. The concern over the word subconscious should consider that the translator may have used the current form of the concept ie. subconscious to explain the thought related in German. After all Freud didn’t invent the concept but discovered it as well as Nietzsche could have done. Marx was current to some extent by 1970 and Nietzsche would well be capable of realizing his importance by his own characteristic insightful ability. His wasn’t a common understanding. Also, the full accounts of sexual behavior considered starkly immoral as well as illegal explains his direct assault on the very concept of morality in his Genealogy of Morals. This was his self defense. His many references to sexual energy as an element of the philosophical will to power throughout his other writings gives the lie to his historical characterizations as being celibate and essentially sexless throughout his life. That is ridiculous for a man like Nietzsche. The poem at the end is as pathetic and life affirming as anything he had previously written. As far as his Christianity, recall that in his childhood he was known as the Little Pastor for his ardent belief in the Savior. Your plainly academic and simplistic dismissal of this important work is unworthy of a true and insightful understanding of not only Nietzsche but of psychology, ‘the queen of the sciences.’ Please make a retraction ASAP.
But Freud's theories of the unconscious go back to Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. Your argument on the "subconscious" point falls flat. Nietzsche alludes to our subterranean instincts all over the place. *My Sister & I* is a salacious title (I think Nietzsche would have titled it *Confessions* but this is only speculation based on the text we have) but I can't help thinking---or at least hoping---that this thing is authentic to at least some degree. Too less prejudiced minds, it could at the very least be accepted into the canon in something like the way the spurious Platonic dialogues have been. The level of biographical detail alone is impressive for even a forgiery dished out in 1951. By that point Nietzsche was hardly beginning to come into his rotten, unfortunately Kaufmann-infected excuse for a reception in ultrafascist US-America. What heavy-handed horseshit. The likes of Wilhelm Ekelund continue to be ignored...so now we here in the Last Man's West have miscreants like Allan Bloom, Brian Gossiprag Leiter, Alexandr Dugin, and Dr. Mx. Jordana B. Petrovna to cram all these ridiculous distortions of FN's works down all our throats on a relentlessly daily basis. Make Mediocrity Great Again Again, eh? I'm glad that you come around to seeing that the text deserves respect and scrutiny, however "spurious" you may believe it to be. (However, it's hardly an unambiguous apologetics for Christianity, as you mischaracterize it in the video.) Silver lining: Ludwig Bernhard Förster at least found the inward decency to poison himself Paraguay. 22:2932:16
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25:10 that once has happened in the History of philosophy, old Wittgenstein, and lenguage games (I don't know the terms in English) against young men Wittgenstein Tractatus.
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This is hilarious!
Way back I had a philosophy 101 professor who claimed Nietzsche slept with his sister and used this to dismiss talking about him in his class. Years later, now I know the exact source from which this crazy story entered into the American zeitgeist.
Good work Weltgeist!
What! A progfessor did that!? Tf!
He shouldn't teach anymore.
Even if Nietzsche did sleep with his sister, it's irrelevant to his works
@@Krotas_DeityofConflicts hahaha yeah, he was a relatively new professor who was a Lutheran pastor if I recall correctly, so it's not hard to imagine he had an obvious axe to grind. As Weltgeist pointed out in the video, the rumors from this book really stoked the confirmation bias for certain people.
To be fair though, he had some interesting insights on Kierkegaard, Kant, and Aristotle; he really struck me as someone studied theology, but only read some philosophy in passing.
As he saw things though, Nietzsche's moral philosophy was one which justified evil and this was evidenced by his supposed act of incest with his sister.
I do remember now one other stellar line of his where he said Nietzsche would have "supported school shootings."
Yeah, his redeeming qualities were sorely diminished by his zeal.
@@a.wenger3964 ahh.. i see, I'm not surprised. He probably misinterpret the "God is dead, and we have killed him. How will we comfort ourselves the murderer of all murderers ..." And probably don't even know the full quote.
Also, i am not surprised he is well read on Kierkegaard, Kant and Aristotle, esp. Kant; his Categorical Imperative can be used as the ultimate for Christian Morality. Lol
Theology always include some philosophy. They will usually know Bachelors level philosophy.
@@a.wenger3964 what were his interesting thoughts on Kant and Aristotle?
I heard that too, at Melbourne University. Its just staggering what some say to avoid difficult thought.
Mind you, today such incestuous transgressions might be lauded as a proof of truth, cf Foucault's perversion.
I had accepted the story about Nietzsche crying for the horse as fact, but around the same time I read that biography I read "Crime and Punishment," and wondered if he had taken the idea from there because it's exactly what happens with the protagonist as a child: some jerk is flogging an old horse and letting more and more people pile on the carriage so it'll struggle harder, a couple people protest and he insists that he can do whatever he wants with his property, the protagonist runs to the horse and gets in the way, etc. I hope it's fiction for the horse's sake. 😢
Before we rush to judgments this scene of horse beating must have been indecently commonplace. Both Dostoevsky and Nietzsche plus countless others must have witnessed some such, and a few tender souls crack.
This was not all too uncommon back in the day in Europe. You can even find videos and accounts of it happening in countries where horses are still in use, like in India. Stressed and humiliated people sometimes take their anger out on draught animals. In our societies it manifests in domestic abuse and drugs, I suppose.
@@alfatejpblind6498 People still beat their dogs a lot.
It makes sense chronologically that Nietzsche would have just completely missed Marx. His most famous work, The Communist Manifesto, was written in 1848 but didn’t enjoy even moderate popularity until the 1870’s. The period where Marx was really starting to take off in popularity, the 1880’s-1890’s, was when Nietzsche went insane.
After the mid 1870s or the early 1880s Nietzsche also was probably very cynical of every new, upcoming authors who weren't, well... Nietzsche lol. My guess would be that if he ever came across Marx he probably dismissed him as a foolish, optimistic Hegelian who criticized Europe for all the wrong reasons and wasn't worth his time.
Nietzsche would love your channel!
Didn't know about the existence of this book, and your approach on the matter and of Nietzschean philosophy is fantastic! Thanks for the insight and keep up the good work!
"Betrayed him"
This is unnecessary strong language, it is clear from the personal letters exchanged between Nietzsche's friends that they were genuinely concerned about his health, and it's clear that Nietzsche's final works do show signs of megalomania that simply weren't present earlier.
His sister, is, indeed, an entirely different story.
Regarding the megalomania, check out our video on Ecce Homo. I think your concerns are addressed there
@@WeltgeistYT Thank you, but no, not enough. It focuses too much on the contents of the books, and doesn't take into account perspectives of his close contacts, such as the ones I've related here - reading through those strongly suggests it wasn't mere parody, Nietzsche was also starting to lose it already. A mental collapse rarely happens overnight.
I knew this book, and even thought it was a genuine work of Nietzsche, because I read it in an old Spanish compilation of his books. I'm not going to lie by saying that I was very confused in the analysis of the philosopher. I was quite alarmed to think that he allegedly committed incest, and I came to despise his work at first because of that. It is not until now that I find out that it is probably false, and all the better so, because it makes much more sense this way. Excellent video!
Thank you!
@@WeltgeistYT No thank you for making these videos
The first time I learnt about the book "Meine Schwester und ich" I was intrigued, I searched the internet and found a few of passages, then I learnt about the controversy sorrounding its authorship, and gradually lost interest. The second time I heard about it was at Uni. One of my philosophy professors (who was a Catholic Christian) said that Nietzsche had admitted to having an incestuous relationship with his sister in one of his books and he implied that this somehow discredited Nietzsche as a thinker. I obviously considered the comment completely inapproptiate but not so much because he never mentioned the controversy sorrounding the authorship of the book he was quoting from (perhaps he wasn't aware of it), but rather because he was using an palpable ad-hominem against Nietzsche and that is an unpardonable sin for a philosophy teacher.
@Boulanger True, still I prefer to think of him more as the king of the genetic fallacy.
Your professor showed himself to be a worm. Did he use the room to make fun of people who pointedly questioned him?
@@robleahy5759 If was only that one time I think, but he always acted smugly when asked questions.
@@robleahy5759 "...but there is still more worm in man" -- This Spoke Zarathustra.
'the pope should be in prison'
I fail to see how this is a sign of mental disturbance 😉
Your summary on beyond good and evil is such a good video we need more of those in our community please make more of those videos. Love from Sweden
we also need a video on how Nietzche did not die of syphilis. People say so much falsity just to cancel him.
I always thought that he had syphilis and thous he spent his last years in mental asylum. Though I never canceled or dissmissed Nietzsche.
What did he die from then?
Well reasoned! I think the incest “reveal” is particularly intriguing. Someone must have really wanted to make old Fritz look bad. The “Detroit” material is also suspicious. Nice work.
What is the Detroit material?
I really really Love this channel, i learned so much about German Philosophie and Philosophie in General as a German mysel. I really See, how you have improved your Videos. And it IS really good,that the music was Just playing in the introcoction. Otherweise IT would have been too distracting.
What's it like reading Nietzsche in German?
I love your channel so much. I've got really interested in Philosophy lately, mainly thanks to Camus, Sartre and Schopenhauer.
I've been listening to your videos every night for 1 month now while taking a bath because it simply helps me switch off while I'm studying a lot about Philosophy.
I can't describe why, but for some reason I am extremely interested in these topics and I feel that this will slowly become a hobby, is there such a thing at all?
Thank you!
Why do non-phili student who are newly interested always start with Sartre or Camus 😄 i guess they are cool and relevant to the state of the modern world. You should start with Plato's Theory of Forms, every metaphysics since theory of forms is a footnote to it, even Christian metaphysics. Compared to other philosophies, Existentialism is much more of a movement which is philosophical, rather than pure philosophy. Sartre and Heidegger's makes it most philosophical.
I imagine how his friends and family were trying to help Nietzsche be stable and not release any of his work in this state.
He did not write this book because the book is condemning and anti-individual instead of supporting a freewill and not condemning. He initially represented self accountability based on the will of the individual to be good or bad or neither.
I've actually seen a copy in my school's library, weirdly enough.
The fact some academics genuinely believe Nietzsche wrote this book is hilarious.
Dahil dito naalala ko yung sinasabing “retraktasyon” ni Gat Rizal ukol sa pananampalatayang katoliko’t himagsikan na patuloy na iginigiit ng prayleng totoong nangyari raw.
This reminded me of Dr. Rizal’s supposed “Retraction” that he supposedly went back to his catholic faith and turned his back to the Revolution days before his execution.
I ve heard this for first time. I ve red almost everything of Nietzsche. Not this, and not Will to Power... I live in Serbia and read Nietzsche since I was teen.
Hi. Could you kindly cover the topic on Nietzsche's view on Islam and the Moorish Spain? And the position of Nietzsche as a mystic?
First time I hear about the book. Let me commend you on the magnificent work of presenting it as something to engage with rather than dismissing it upfront. Kudos
Never heard of this book before.
Well, now it hasn't fooled me!
This is the first I've heard of this book. Excellent analysis
First time I am hearing about it, thank you!
Nietzche just wanted to experience one traditional ideal. He just wanted it more than anyone to be authentic.
Would you like to make a video about "Human, all to human"? There is Eternalised's video which is well made, but 10 min are very short for a book with over 1000 aphorisms and which is a turning point for Nietzsche's development.
In the modern internet age these things happen all the time. Always you hear about some metal star or even Anton Shandor Lavey turning to Christianity ✝️ upon death and asking for forgiveness. Same was said of De Sade too. It’s all devotes of Christianity that attempt these things all the time after the death of someone who attacked Christianity. They are easily identified as fake because the works not only are contradictory to that particular person’s beliefs but are also always simplistic in their nature. They will often use big worlds to describe the most common or primitive religious thought.
Just to follow up with my comment they did exactly the same to Oscar Wilde. In that he stopped being gay , attended confession and became a good Christian. Fake opinions should only be read in order to expose them but should never be taken seriously. The underlying principle is that Christians take to heart any criticism of their mythology. Nicholas Kopernikus knew this centuries ago that’s why he devoted his work to the pope. While Galileo who openly supported the work of Kopernikus was burned at the stake because he was not so diplomatic and exposed Christianity ✝️ as a hokes and ignorant.
Lastly In Zarathustra he states that people will bend and twist his words to press on forth with their faith and personal beliefs etc… Reading these type of books in no different than reading the De Vinci Code. When Brown dies he will also be quoted as dying a good Christian asking for forgiveness because he was wrong 😑. Herd mentality has no limits when it comes to stupidity.
@@igorszopinski1822 Galileo was never burnt at the stake, wtf?
@@andreascovano7742 you right. He died under house arrest for heresy
There's no way this book is an authentic Nietzsche book. I had never heard of the book either before this video.
Another great video, very interesting! I really love your videos, they're extremely entertaining. I always feel like I‘m leaning something new.
Glad you like them!
I love friedrich nietzche
In psychiatry there is no such thing as madness, there are mental illnesses with actual names, he suffered from intense migraines, depression, and finally dementia. No such thing as "insanity"
To me, the most blatant evidence that Nietzsche never read Marx is that Nietzsche's Will To Power and Slave Morality are analogous to Marx' class struggles and dialetical materialism, but Marx engages in criticizing the dominant ideology and the unsustainability of capital that seems to directly criticize Nietzsche's conception of a Master's Morality, something that goes unadressed in his work.
I feel like if someone writes about the same thing you do but with a different framing that criticizes your opinions on it, you would write about it at least once, but Nietzsche doesn't.
I wonder how hard he would be canceled today
Thank you so much for your work!
i thought i would be about the will to power. pfweee
Haha same
13:20 there's actually some "proof" that nietzsche loved cosima. he admitted it in his "insane letters"
After he became Mad he sayed : I created the world, hmmm reminds me of someone
Excellent work!
Thank you! Cheers!
Interesting, but what’s up with constantly showing that painting by Francis Bacon?
I have never heard of this.
Please make a video on Nietzsche and Wagner
The lack of a German manuscript seems fatal to its authenticity. What's supposed to have happened to it?
Lol that's like saying that the lack of Atlantis before plato, during his life or after him is detrimental to the authenticity of the myth. Like the lack of proof of a flat earth is detrimental to the authenticity of a flat earth. The whole thing is sham.
Did Nietzsche really propose to Lou Salomé? Wasn't that disproved on Kaufmann's book where he mentions that the letter was forged to infuriate his sister and he actually wanted Rée to marry Lou?
Whos will to power is it when someone fakes a book for their side? The person using their power to overturn a philosophy like this, or does it go back to the original Christian (Jesus) who has tansfixed so many people, to the point that they would Lie and fake books for his cause?
Great video. I did already know about this book; I believe first via Walter Kaufmann, who did not accept it as authentic. In fact, I've read a few remarks about it over the years, no one I've read vouched for it, and it was even implied by some to be pornographic, though I noticed you did not say that it was. Obviously, I've never read it, and the big surprise watching the video was that you did not discourage reading it (in spite of also doubting the authenticity). Interesting!
Give it a try!
I didn't realize "Ecce Homo" was from right before his breakdown, but it makes sense because if I'm remembering the correct book there were bizarre proclamations like "why I write such great books," and other weird and needlessly proud things he wouldn't have written before. I think that was also the one where he was despairing over the idea that his words didn't translate very well to French or English and did not have the same cadence or prose (it was some poetry-related phrase) and I thought that seemed strange.
It sounds believable and levy's daughter might have lied to distance the memory of her father's memory from the scandalous contents of the manuscript.
However, it could also be a fake. Interesting read either way.
I like your point about Freudian concepts slipping into the work being a red flag.
His conversion to Christianit & the oddities in his writing: usage, tone, etc could be attributed to his mental breakdown causing some personality shift but the inclusion of Freudian concepts is the most reliable red-flag/inconsistency, indicating a forgery.
Apologies for the multiple replying to my op, i cant edit comments with this phone. :-p thx for dropping by😃
Most of my books were translated by Kaufman
I had never heard of this book until now
I thought this would be The Will to Power since it was heavily edited by his sister
That's a myth - see my response on Starlight's comment
Had to stop at 0:37 as I just picked up crime and punishment. Does it ruin the book at all past this point? Should I just wait until I’m finished? Or can I skip ahead without it affecting the video? Anyone answering would be appreciated
Don’t worry, no spoilers or anything
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Can you do some videos about freud ?
I've seen that you're using pictures of Nietzsche where he's got a huge mustache. I've read they we're edited by his sister. That being said, isen't it about time you make a video on Nietzsche's sister? There are many interesting lines; nazism, The Will to power (book) etc
We touched on the Will to Power book before in a video on the WtP here
I'm glad I watched this. I was going to buy this book until I seen this dubious text said Nietzsche was giving in and submitting to Christianity. Nietzsche's fierce opposition to Christianity is the main reason I love Nietzsche. I'm so glad you warned me my friend. This author was definitely a Christian slave recruiter
it has the same feeling as ancient christian antipagan forgeries
Wow, I never knew there was a psuedo Nietzsche.
So appropriate
I loved this video because I know Nietzsche fairly well but had no idea this book existed. The quoted passages made me laugh a couple times. Imo, you only highlighted one problematic element where you could have done several in each case. I can't imagine this as bias, it's just not Nietzsche.
if Nietzsche had a deathbed reconciliation it would be with Schopenhauer, not Christianity. i’m not familiar with this work but those included passages don’t feel like Nietzsche’s writing.
who knows what years in an asylum could do to man with apparent moments of lucidity tho, not that i buy this story legitimacy, but i would be curious to what conclusions such a Nietzsche would come to. personally i don’t think such circumstances would change his mind, rather they would force him to double down on his previous assertions, as they were a product of, in some sense, not so dissimilar circumstances.
Thank you
You're welcome! Thx for watching
it wasn't public disturbance&detainment, it was putting 'live dangerously' in action. acab
I dunno it seems a pretty obvious fake. The anachronisms were glaring, and the tone is isn’t just edgy it’s kind of shitty.
if Nietzsche had Nordpass he would have never lost his mind! :)
Tom Stoppard's R and G are dead is riotous, it's on you tube, great shout out, would also recommend Wagner movie also on you tube
Im sorry but the father of existentialism turning to Jesus at his last moments of lucidity is just not believable in the slightest.
Thank you for another great video. I wasn’t aware of this book. I felt like it’s an act of treason, picturing him as a repentant Christian. 😳 oh well! I’ll never buy the book, of course!
It wasn't me. I was too myopic and brain cancer is a bitch.
Are you gonna do videos on Karl Marx in the future?
Possibly
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That’s cool. Never heard of it.
Where is the Geman original manuscript then ?
Where was it that Freud psychoanalyzed Nietzsche?
let me know if you find out pls
Kind of a rhetorical question because it's well known that Freud always denied reading him
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First time I hear of this book
1st time heard about it here
Can you do a video explaining what Nietzsche meant when he said “Roman caesar with the soul of Christ.”
Neitz: ya hate me cuz ya ain't me, son, Now scram befo I ZaraTHRUST ya bum! This will hurt eternally recurring at every turn. Amor Fati! Now feel this burn!
It's not fake - it is clearly the writings of the great-man - although organised in a fashion he likely wouldn't have approved of. It's still a valuable read - I would argue it may even contain some of the most valuable, off-the-cuff remarks that the great immoralist ever made.
I see it’s not fake. What you base this on other than your stupidity? 🤣
If the author's mom knew Nietzsche, he would say that he banged her.
Tumultuous love-life? As in a failed one?
There's a whole bunch of them different publisher's and that weird abstract translation of thus spoke Zarathustra where he is wandering outside all these animals keep proposing ridules his writings are all weird symbolstl that made them hallucinate what they should know😂posted ebay he wrote them then process philosophy
It would a take a lengthy treatise to properly critique your analysis of this book. It should be done. To start with the most glaring is your dismissal of the city of Detroit as being culturally irrelevant to Nietzsche at the time of the books creation but Detroit was in fact known as the Paris of the West for its interest in contemporary art attested to by its impressive collection of impressionistic art. The concern over the word subconscious should consider that the translator may have used the current form of the concept ie. subconscious to explain the thought related in German. After all Freud didn’t invent the concept but discovered it as well as Nietzsche could have done. Marx was current to some extent by 1970 and Nietzsche would well be capable of realizing his importance by his own characteristic insightful ability. His wasn’t a common understanding. Also, the full accounts of sexual behavior considered starkly immoral as well as illegal explains his direct assault on the very concept of morality in his Genealogy of Morals. This was his self defense. His many references to sexual energy as an element of the philosophical will to power throughout his other writings gives the lie to his historical characterizations as being celibate and essentially sexless throughout his life. That is ridiculous for a man like Nietzsche. The poem at the end is as pathetic and life affirming as anything he had previously written. As far as his Christianity, recall that in his childhood he was known as the Little Pastor for his ardent belief in the Savior. Your plainly academic and simplistic dismissal of this important work is unworthy of a true and insightful understanding of not only Nietzsche but of psychology, ‘the queen of the sciences.’ Please make a retraction ASAP.
Lets go
But Freud's theories of the unconscious go back to Nietzsche and Schopenhauer. Your argument on the "subconscious" point falls flat. Nietzsche alludes to our subterranean instincts all over the place.
*My Sister & I* is a salacious title (I think Nietzsche would have titled it *Confessions* but this is only speculation based on the text we have) but I can't help thinking---or at least hoping---that this thing is authentic to at least some degree. Too less prejudiced minds, it could at the very least be accepted into the canon in something like the way the spurious Platonic dialogues have been.
The level of biographical detail alone is impressive for even a forgiery dished out in 1951. By that point Nietzsche was hardly beginning to come into his rotten, unfortunately Kaufmann-infected excuse for a reception in ultrafascist US-America. What heavy-handed horseshit. The likes of Wilhelm Ekelund continue to be ignored...so now we here in the Last Man's West have miscreants like Allan Bloom, Brian Gossiprag Leiter, Alexandr Dugin, and Dr. Mx. Jordana B. Petrovna to cram all these ridiculous distortions of FN's works down all our throats on a relentlessly daily basis. Make Mediocrity Great Again Again, eh?
I'm glad that you come around to seeing that the text deserves respect and scrutiny, however "spurious" you may believe it to be. (However, it's hardly an unambiguous apologetics for Christianity, as you mischaracterize it in the video.)
Silver lining: Ludwig Bernhard Förster at least found the inward decency to poison himself Paraguay. 22:29 32:16
No original German translation puts this fake in the bag.
Yes, huge red flag
Lmfao
I heard about that piece of .... years ago, but seriously bro, it's 🤥
Thanks tough, you're so polite when saying that it maybe would be worth reading.