Roger Corman's Dr Doom actually looks pretty true to the comic book design and is the best movie version look Doom has had. So far, no movie has managed to make The Thing look any good.
@@ranwolf1240 Which just makes the pouches in the FF’s costumes all the more glaring. *It* *makes* *sense* for the guys with large amounts of guns to have pouches for ammunition, what the hel did the first family need them for?
On a sidenote: My favorite version of Hank Pym is from the 80's when he wore a trench coat full of pockets. The pockets were filled with miniaturized gadgets and comic book devices. He'd pull them out and enlarge them. This version didn't last long, unfortunately.
@@ultimateslinger9857 yup, and then they Sue and Richard bred a god. Then that god’s omnipower disappeared and then they bred the smartest kid in their universe to balance that lost of power.
A number one, you took those panels from the Byrne issue totally out of context. Reed was deliberately acting like a bastard there to try and break Sue out of some mind control.
The panels of him slapping Sue was him being an asshole intentionally to snap her out of her Malice persona. At that time she had demonstrated she was the team’s most powerful member, and they couldn’t defeat her any other way. You have to back to the 60s to get the character listed at #1. He wasn’t that way in the 80s
Reed’s actions during Civil War and what led to Planet Hulk was the most Reed thing he can do. He’s a scientist and also a caring person. He’s gonna go to world’s end to find an answer, always thinking “what if” and not “if he should.” So creating Thor or launching his friend to space is Reed.
@@papadelta316 I mean they’re all great in together. Michael Chickles from the movies was my first exposure to the character & I thought he did I great job. Then I saw some of the animated series along with the games & stories & he just stayed my favourite!
The movie rights repercussions really spotlight the property aspects. They cancelled the original flagship title for spite! The World's Greatest Comic!
I think it is weird that that Franklin and Valeria are now teens. Because Franklin was older then Valeria, Franklin was between 9 or 10 and Valeria was 3 or 4 at the time of Secret Wars. So if we take the explanation that that Marvel makes that time passed faster for them then the rest of Marvel Universe between their return and the end of Battle World. Franklin would have to be in his early 20s for this to work.
Well Valeria does control time one the same level as Franklin's reality-warping so anything is possible for those two. Also they are incorrect about marvel wanting to forget about marvel girl. Also am I the only one who liked Valeria better when she leaned a bit more twords evil.
Reed’s misogyny is used to great effect in the Psycho Man arc that depicts Sue resolving to update her name to Invisible Woman. His behavior towards Malice is used as an extreme to force to Sue to snap out of her brainwashing and later used in a dream sequence to torture Sue. You see, this story emphasizes this is not like Reed to act this way.
I knew that number one would be Batman when I saw Superman was number 2 cause I couldn’t think of any other justice league member that would be at one except himself, it very much sounds like what Batman would do
So a bunch of things that were either nothing to do with Marvel (The Roger Corman FF film, Fant$stic) and some that are straight up a single person's idiocy Ike PErlmutte's crusade on films not made by Marvel Studios. Why not mention that it was him specifically, not a People at Marvel comics thing?
Ant-Man hits his wife while being after some real mental strain, he's considered worse than the abominable fusion of Hitler and Stalin. Reed hits his wife and none of the Avengers nor other heroes even call him out on it.
His wife had temporarily gone insane after the miscarriage of their daughter and the only way reed could of to stop her was to make her so angry that she literally shut down. He himself in the comic admitted how much he hated himself for having to do it.
Wasn't Sue trying to kill Reed or something in that storyline? That seems like a understandable reason to slap your wife. Hank didn't even have that excuse iirc.
@@ranwolf1240 Hank didn’t have an excuse _per_ _se_ when good writers re-examine that old storyline they often point out The Avengers were in the wrong to so coldly dismiss his severe mental health problems the way they did. I mean, if writers back then knew more about bipolar disorder like than did today, would they have made Hank quite, or suspend him with a paid mental health retreat to try to get him back on track? The writer of The Unstoppable Wasp, Jeremy Whitley, seems to think it would be the latter considering how he handled the story arc where his biological daughter Nadia inherited his bipolar disorder and had a pretty significant mental breakdown because of it.
Two things: First, Hank's not considered worse than AFHS in the comics. Even Janet has forgiven him, considering it was a one time thing during a mental breakdown, and he himself says it's his greatest regret (and the dude created Ultron, and still regrets lashing out at his wife more). Second, the writer actually intended Hank to put his hand out to push her away (a kind of "get away, I don't need your pity" gesture) and accidentally knock her over. The inker added the action lines that made it look like he backhanded her, and there wasn't time to fix it before deadline. So he wasn't actually intended to hit his wife, but they had to roll with it after it hit print.
Remember When Ventures Bros Dissected Reed Richards Entire Character Where He was a Misogynistic, Narcissistic, Turbo Douche and He Was Voiced by Stephen Colbert. Because that was the Most Underrated Interpretation of the Character.
I'm hoping someday for a Plastic Man/Mister Fantastic (conflicting personalities) company crossover. Well, if AT&T doesn't pull the plug on DC Comics in 2021.
7:01 *sees comic panel* That one ironically is Out Of Context, Reed was PURPOSELY being a jackass having figured it would snap Susan out of her cartoonish evil hateful brainwashing via feedback loop.
i actually like the 3 recent fantastic four movies they could use a little work but are pretty good but i also prefer the first suicide squad movie as well also i refuse to blame a character for the decisions of publishers and writers this includes hank pym starfox and reed richards
Oh, great! Now you'll have an ill-informed Star Wars channel you can get most things wrong one. Yay! I love how you use the Reed slapping Malice panels to show that Reed is a misogynist jerk....When he did it on purpose to snap Sue out of the Psycho Man's control. He had taken her buried sense of not feeling equal to the rest of the team to make a psychotic dominatrix out of her and Reed made her mad enough to confront it and snap out of the trance. And yes, in the old days, they babied Sue and treated her kind of second rate....Because that's how dudes acted back then. They eventually gave her more powers even in the early days because readers thought they made her too weak. If Reed has a failing, he's just sometimes a crappy husband/dad because he gets so sidetracked with his work that he forgets his family. Pretty common. Well, it used to be before modern Dad's all became man-bun having goofs that go to see their kids at their own Mom's house because she's raising their kids for them.
I don't know where you got that from but Reed is not a Crappy Husband/ Father. The man is not perfect nobody is and the man has a lot of responsibilities. If the universe is in danger The Watcher or Galactus would ask for his help but to say he's a terrible father/ husband far from it
@@ireoluwatuntomiwachimerebe3706 He's got moments, but he definitely tends to put family second to all the other crap going on. Congratulations. Maybe you didn't have a father who acted that way.
While I won't go so far as to say the people making this video don't actually read any of the comics they're talking about here, number 1 on this list with the John Byrne panels are taken way out of context, whether intentionally or not.
I just watched a little bit of it last night. Just to see how bad it was. so I had low expectations. I didn’t like how it felt a bit choppy (story wise)
I on some level enjoyed the 2015 fantastic 4 movie. I see it's problems (90% Dr. Doom stuff and the entire final battle topping the list). But compared to what came before? Roger Coremans utter garbage of a movie and 2005s movie that stopped holding up to entertaining after the 1st viewing. I am looking forward to MCU treatment.
Walt Simonson had an excellent run on the title. I really enjoyed it. And yes, John Byrne did create some legendary FF comics. The trial of Galactus is the highlight of Byrnes FF work.
@@OomaGooma I liked the Negative Zone exploration. Not only Byrne tried some different things for the time - like a whole comic in 'portrait' - but it was also very fun and sort of racy (Torch getting too friendly with aliens, Reed impregnating Sue). And the science was very cool too which the latest I can remember reading was a bit lacking…
I think that *Stan Lee* created the Fantastic Four first because the first comic book on which he worked on was the *Captain America* comic book and since the 4th of July is the birthday of America, the First comic book that he Created was *The Fantastic Four*. Right?
I have a better list, 10 worst things about the Fantastic 4 1. Reed 2. Reed 3. Reed 4. Reed 5. Reed 6. Reed 7. Reed 8. Reed 9. Reed And finally, 10. Reed
They really don't need to be rebooted. Some comic characters from ancient times work well in the modern era, these guys really don't. Ridiculous powers, totally corny. I trust Feige though 😂
Your opinion is trash. The F4 need to be rebooted more than any other characters that exist. If the F4 don't work in the modern Era, then why is Rick and Morty so popular when do many of its best elements are blatant ripoffs of the Fantastic Four (Council of Ricks/Council of Reeds, for example)
So Marvel made Roger Corman's Fantastic Four to retain the rights to their own IP???? I think you should rewrite that one, other wise you are at Trump levels of misinformation. Marvel was not making their own movies at the time, they were licensing out films to different producers/ studios. Constantin films made the movie so that they could keep the rights, so that they wouldn't be reverted back to Marvel to prevent Marvel from selling the FF4 movie rights to another studio/ producer. Pretty sure Marvel wanted the rights to lapse so they could have made a few thousand selling the movie rights to with some else.
If Reed hadn't shot the Hulk into space we wouldn't have Planet Hulk or World War Hulk. Two fantastic (pun unintended) comic runs.
(Gasps)Pph?
@@ggt47 PPH?
Spider-man’s Future Foundation suit is one of my all time favs.
Roger Corman's Dr Doom actually looks pretty true to the comic book design and is the best movie version look Doom has had. So far, no movie has managed to make The Thing look any good.
What WAS in all those pouch belts in the 90s costumes? Did anyone ever see any character putting anything into them or taking things out of them?
only rob liefeld has the answer for that question
for Deadpool and Cable I always figured it was ammunition.
@@ranwolf1240 Which just makes the pouches in the FF’s costumes all the more glaring. *It* *makes* *sense* for the guys with large amounts of guns to have pouches for ammunition, what the hel did the first family need them for?
It's for ID, money and stuff.
On a sidenote: My favorite version of Hank Pym is from the 80's when he wore a trench coat full of pockets. The pockets were filled with miniaturized gadgets and comic book devices. He'd pull them out and enlarge them. This version didn't last long, unfortunately.
Say what you want about the Roger Corman FF movie but at least he got the costumes right.
ikr
They actually returned to Ben's Exo-Suit years later (Simonson's run IIRC) and it worked pretty well.
How bout doing 10 best fantastic four comics
FF 200 Reed vs Doom..197-200 are great
@0ddMonk3y agreed👍
@0ddMonk3y we need the third complete collection
How bout doing 10 best fantastic four members
I will never forgot the FF are the Best
The most balanced team ever
Yes?
Yes!
You don’t get any more balanced than 4 member team
@@ultimateslinger9857 yup, and then they Sue and Richard bred a god. Then that god’s omnipower disappeared and then they bred the smartest kid in their universe to balance that lost of power.
@@mrdude88 Exactly, perfectly balanced team
One thing we should never forget... they are Freaking AMAZING!
They will always be my favorites.
theyre fantastic
A number one, you took those panels from the Byrne issue totally out of context. Reed was deliberately acting like a bastard there to try and break Sue out of some mind control.
Agreed. That bit of “fake news” rubbed me the wrong way too.
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Yes!
Hit the nail right on the head there, mate.
That bugged me too.
The panels of him slapping Sue was him being an asshole intentionally to snap her out of her Malice persona. At that time she had demonstrated she was the team’s most powerful member, and they couldn’t defeat her any other way. You have to back to the 60s to get the character listed at #1. He wasn’t that way in the 80s
Reed’s actions during Civil War and what led to Planet Hulk was the most Reed thing he can do. He’s a scientist and also a caring person. He’s gonna go to world’s end to find an answer, always thinking “what if” and not “if he should.” So creating Thor or launching his friend to space is Reed.
How did you forget to mention that the Thing suit came back in the amazeballs Hickman FF run? "Ms. Thing" is so tongue in cheek it's brilliant.
News Flash: BOTH of the 2 latest Fantastic Four movies were made almost entirely JUST to hold onto the Film Rights!
Marvel does not want us to forget that FF shot Hulk into space - that gave us one of the best comic story ever with Planet Hulk and WWHulk!
The thing was always my favorite
Reed is mine...I just recently read the whole series from the 1968 series to the 2014 which I'm currently on the Fan4stik
@@papadelta316 I mean they’re all great in together. Michael Chickles from the movies was my first exposure to the character & I thought he did I great job. Then I saw some of the animated series along with the games & stories & he just stayed my favourite!
The movie rights repercussions really spotlight the property aspects. They cancelled the original flagship title for spite! The World's Greatest Comic!
The best Thing (pun intended) about the FF4 is Doctor Doom. Also- thanks for retconning Franklin from being a God-Level mutant to an emo teen.
The fantastic four are my favorite superheroes in the Marvel universe... I wish they could bring them into the Marvel Cinematic Universe
They are getting a movie in the MCU now
In a nice way please.
@@matthewmcgregor3782 After seeing Spider-Man: No Way Home, I’m so excited to see what Jon Watts will do as I thought it was a weird choice initially.
10 things people want to forget about Robocop like the Alpha commando cartoon and the terrible Xbox video game from 2003
I think it is weird that that Franklin and Valeria are now teens. Because Franklin was older then Valeria, Franklin was between 9 or 10 and Valeria was 3 or 4 at the time of Secret Wars. So if we take the explanation that that Marvel makes that time passed faster for them then the rest of Marvel Universe between their return and the end of Battle World. Franklin would have to be in his early 20s for this to work.
Well Valeria does control time one the same level as Franklin's reality-warping so anything is possible for those two. Also they are incorrect about marvel wanting to forget about marvel girl. Also am I the only one who liked Valeria better when she leaned a bit more twords evil.
I thought Stan Lee was planning on finding another line of work after he did the seemingly one issue of F4.
Valeria is the best member of the f4 and idgaf what anyone else has to say on the matter
Dilly dilly
Y’all got so many channels now you’re going to have to rank them in a top 10 video.
I liked the first two Fox F4 movies... and I actually liked Chris Evans better as Torch than Cap... #FightMe!! Lol. XD
Reed’s misogyny is used to great effect in the Psycho Man arc that depicts Sue resolving to update her name to Invisible Woman. His behavior towards Malice is used as an extreme to force to Sue to snap out of her brainwashing and later used in a dream sequence to torture Sue. You see, this story emphasizes this is not like Reed to act this way.
Love how Venture Brothers had a parody about them! lmao
I knew that number one would be Batman when I saw Superman was number 2 cause I couldn’t think of any other justice league member that would be at one except himself, it very much sounds like what Batman would do
So a bunch of things that were either nothing to do with Marvel (The Roger Corman FF film, Fant$stic) and some that are straight up a single person's idiocy Ike PErlmutte's crusade on films not made by Marvel Studios. Why not mention that it was him specifically, not a People at Marvel comics thing?
Ant-Man hits his wife while being after some real mental strain, he's considered worse than the abominable fusion of Hitler and Stalin.
Reed hits his wife and none of the Avengers nor other heroes even call him out on it.
His wife had temporarily gone insane after the miscarriage of their daughter and the only way reed could of to stop her was to make her so angry that she literally shut down. He himself in the comic admitted how much he hated himself for having to do it.
Wasn't Sue trying to kill Reed or something in that storyline? That seems like a understandable reason to slap your wife. Hank didn't even have that excuse iirc.
@@ranwolf1240 Hank didn’t have an excuse _per_ _se_ when good writers re-examine that old storyline they often point out The Avengers were in the wrong to so coldly dismiss his severe mental health problems the way they did. I mean, if writers back then knew more about bipolar disorder like than did today, would they have made Hank quite, or suspend him with a paid mental health retreat to try to get him back on track? The writer of The Unstoppable Wasp, Jeremy Whitley, seems to think it would be the latter considering how he handled the story arc where his biological daughter Nadia inherited his bipolar disorder and had a pretty significant mental breakdown because of it.
It's kinda easy to see why Hank hates Reed so much
Two things: First, Hank's not considered worse than AFHS in the comics. Even Janet has forgiven him, considering it was a one time thing during a mental breakdown, and he himself says it's his greatest regret (and the dude created Ultron, and still regrets lashing out at his wife more). Second, the writer actually intended Hank to put his hand out to push her away (a kind of "get away, I don't need your pity" gesture) and accidentally knock her over. The inker added the action lines that made it look like he backhanded her, and there wasn't time to fix it before deadline. So he wasn't actually intended to hit his wife, but they had to roll with it after it hit print.
The Corman FF is not unfinished, where did you here that, plus it’s very good, probably the best FF movie.
Remember When Ventures Bros Dissected Reed Richards Entire Character Where He was a Misogynistic, Narcissistic, Turbo Douche and He Was Voiced by Stephen Colbert. Because that was the Most Underrated Interpretation of the Character.
How hard is it for them to make a good movie? The Tim Story ones are the closest to good. (I actually liked the first one when I saw it years ago)
Was that Power Pack in Future Foundation?
Alex Powers was in FF.
I'm hoping someday for a Plastic Man/Mister Fantastic (conflicting personalities) company crossover. Well, if AT&T doesn't pull the plug on DC Comics in 2021.
Top 10 things Marvel wants you to forget about the Fantastic Four.
Number 1: The Fantastic Four.
I can’t wait until they appear in the MCU
7:01 *sees comic panel* That one ironically is Out Of Context, Reed was PURPOSELY being a jackass having figured it would snap Susan out of her cartoonish evil hateful brainwashing via feedback loop.
0:56 Love it.
The most painful thing about the fantastic four is that if fantastic four finally get an actually good movie Stan Lee while never get to see it! 😥😥😥😥
(Gasps)Ooh,my babies! I will not lie they went downhill in the early 2000’s but then our lord and saviour Hickman came along.
very nice!!!
i actually like the 3 recent fantastic four movies they could use a little work but are pretty good but i also prefer the first suicide squad movie as well also i refuse to blame a character for the decisions of publishers and writers this includes hank pym starfox and reed richards
That the existed at all, before they got the movie rights back.
Oh, great! Now you'll have an ill-informed Star Wars channel you can get most things wrong one. Yay! I love how you use the Reed slapping Malice panels to show that Reed is a misogynist jerk....When he did it on purpose to snap Sue out of the Psycho Man's control. He had taken her buried sense of not feeling equal to the rest of the team to make a psychotic dominatrix out of her and Reed made her mad enough to confront it and snap out of the trance. And yes, in the old days, they babied Sue and treated her kind of second rate....Because that's how dudes acted back then. They eventually gave her more powers even in the early days because readers thought they made her too weak. If Reed has a failing, he's just sometimes a crappy husband/dad because he gets so sidetracked with his work that he forgets his family. Pretty common. Well, it used to be before modern Dad's all became man-bun having goofs that go to see their kids at their own Mom's house because she's raising their kids for them.
Great point...
nicely said. I love how everyone hates on the ONE Reed that isn't evil in the multiverse.
I don't know where you got that from but Reed is not a Crappy Husband/ Father. The man is not perfect nobody is and the man has a lot of responsibilities. If the universe is in danger The Watcher or Galactus would ask for his help but to say he's a terrible father/ husband far from it
@@ireoluwatuntomiwachimerebe3706 He's got moments, but he definitely tends to put family second to all the other crap going on. Congratulations. Maybe you didn't have a father who acted that way.
Please tell me in your own opinion what makes reed a terrible father/husband
Can we please get a one shot team up called the brainy boys
Who said we love velaria
If hank pim has to live with smacking Janet then Reed should have to live with smacking susan
He could have gave the thing actual powers where he doesn’t look like a monster
Have you ever read a Fantastic Four comic in your life? (That was rhetorical)
While I won't go so far as to say the people making this video don't actually read any of the comics they're talking about here, number 1 on this list with the John Byrne panels are taken way out of context, whether intentionally or not.
Mr. Impossible: Venture Bros.> Mr. Fantastic
Make a list of all the f up things "Mr. Fanntastic" did to his family he said love.
If you think Reed was a pig to Susan, remember that Stan Lee was writing his dialog in the beginning.
(Just gonna leave this comment here)
That Roger Corman movie seems ripe for a MSTK3 send up...
Maybe Rifftrax...
It is actually better than newer ones and more accurate to the comics, but still very cheesy
@@magicalpasta5462 And, ya know, the effects were either unfinished or really terrible.
Here 3 B4 I even watch, Frist movie the 2nd and fan4sick
Good one
Everything about Fan4stic. That movie is bigger disaster than The Last Airbender.
Didn't Reed's wife Invisible Girl have an extramarital affair with the Black Panther?
No she didn't. They almost kissed but Susan told him she was married. But the comic is not cannon
The True #1: The Fantastic Four Themselves
Let's forget about the awful 2015 movie.
I just watched a little bit of it last night. Just to see how bad it was. so I had low expectations. I didn’t like how it felt a bit choppy (story wise)
It was made for the same reason why the Roger Corman FF movie was made: to keep the movie rights.
Number 1: That atrocious reboot movie for the fantastic four
I like the fantastic 4 movie
Marvel was not in the wrong with Fox, and did the same to the X-men
So I’m one of the few that likes the live action Fantastic 4 movies? 😂
Hello
I actually like fan4stic
if I went to Heaven and met God I would literally never shut up about it!
The Movies....
On a completely different note, I hate Franklin and valaria. They are equivalent to bad fan fiction.
I on some level enjoyed the 2015 fantastic 4 movie. I see it's problems (90% Dr. Doom stuff and the entire final battle topping the list). But compared to what came before? Roger Coremans utter garbage of a movie and 2005s movie that stopped holding up to entertaining after the 1st viewing. I am looking forward to MCU treatment.
The last film wasn't a Fantastic 4 movie. It was an abomination. They weren't the characters, nor the relationships, we've come to know and love.
To me the only FF stories worth reading are the John Byrne run. Period.
Walt Simonson had an excellent run on the title. I really enjoyed it. And yes, John Byrne did create some legendary FF comics. The trial of Galactus is the highlight of Byrnes FF work.
@@OomaGooma I liked the Negative Zone exploration. Not only Byrne tried some different things for the time - like a whole comic in 'portrait' - but it was also very fun and sort of racy (Torch getting too friendly with aliens, Reed impregnating Sue).
And the science was very cool too which the latest I can remember reading was a bit lacking…
To me, you're a dumbass who needs to read Stan Lee, Jonathan Hickman, and Dan Slott's runs
Yea Sue's bikini
I think that *Stan Lee* created the Fantastic Four first because the first comic book on which he worked on was the *Captain America* comic book and since the 4th of July is the birthday of America, the First comic book that he Created was *The Fantastic Four*. Right?
I have a better list, 10 worst things about the Fantastic 4
1. Reed
2. Reed
3. Reed
4. Reed
5. Reed
6. Reed
7. Reed
8. Reed
9. Reed
And finally,
10. Reed
.
Who cares if Reed WAS sexist? Were yall always a successful RUclips channel? I can answer that. No y'all weren't
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i guess want us forget Fantastic Four movie and 2015 one
Tease me w #ewanpaterson
Probably made lots of atheist really mad
The best ff an marvel comics is anything up to 1995 anything after till now is utter trash !!
The most important????
I love both 3 movies. So what. Blever by Justin Bieber is wrorse than the modern f4😶
#WokeCultureComics
I want to forget that the craptastic four even exist.
Then why did you watch this
They really don't need to be rebooted. Some comic characters from ancient times work well in the modern era, these guys really don't. Ridiculous powers, totally corny. I trust Feige though 😂
HAHAHAHA
Your opinion is trash. The F4 need to be rebooted more than any other characters that exist. If the F4 don't work in the modern Era, then why is Rick and Morty so popular when do many of its best elements are blatant ripoffs of the Fantastic Four (Council of Ricks/Council of Reeds, for example)
So Marvel made Roger Corman's Fantastic Four to retain the rights to their own IP???? I think you should rewrite that one, other wise you are at Trump levels of misinformation. Marvel was not making their own movies at the time, they were licensing out films to different producers/ studios. Constantin films made the movie so that they could keep the rights, so that they wouldn't be reverted back to Marvel to prevent Marvel from selling the FF4 movie rights to another studio/ producer.
Pretty sure Marvel wanted the rights to lapse so they could have made a few thousand selling the movie rights to with some else.
Ngl I actually like that TV movie it was cheesy yes, but not horrible an didn’t deserve to be sent away to the void
Reed Richards does it: fascism....Joe Biden does it: merica
You're hilarious
Spider-man’s Future Foundation suit is one of my all time favs.