991 & 992 might be 'superior' in technology, power, etc ... but in general it is considered that these new generations are less attractive as their body has grown too much, this 997.2 remains to be the best choice : reliable in comparison to previous models, fantastic look and perfectly proportioned size. If I had the money I would consider buying a 991 'on top of' my 997.2 but I will not consider 'replacing' it. My idea ...
There's the gorgeous 911 I've been waiting to see! You should definitely drive it more often. As for the next upgrade, if those 2 are you choice I would go with the GT3. The Metzger engine is highly sought after and it's super solid and reliable. I like the looks of the Turbo but the coolant line issue that require an engine out to rectify is annoying and rather expensive. My PCA group will probably disown me for saying this but when you get to the GT3 and Turbo's price range, you're able to get a used Mercedes AMG GT, GTS. A direct competition to the 911 and I think they are just amazing from every aspect. If I ever decided to sell my 911, the AMG will be my next weekend toy. Thanks for the awesome video!
I have a manual 2010 Porsche 911 C4S Cab. I have also thought about if I would buy a 911 Turbo in the future. What is neat about the manual is that the rev limiter is hit at 43mph. This means that I can be aggressive with my foot to the floor, hitting 7000 rpm, and know that I still haven't exceeded the speed limit. With a new PDK turbo, which can hit 60mph in less than 3 seconds, one would reach illegal speeds before one has time to savor the experience. This means that I would have to drive a turbo with care, which would reduce the fun level. Something you should do is try auto crossing or taking it on a track, and learn how to control the weight balance. It can be a blast. When going round a corner at the limit and controlling the weight balance (to front or back), you can cause the back tires to slide around until the car is pointing where you want it to. Hit the gas, and the back tires grip, and you straighten up. If you don't know how to control the weight balance, it will feel like the car tends to understeer. Control the weight balance and it feels great. It won't be the fastest but the challenge is fun. One needs to learn car control through auto crossing before taking it on a track. However, it is easier to learn weight balance control on long sweepers on a track. Autocross is cheap. When doing track days, I get through a set of brake pads and tires in 2 weekends (4 track days - or about 500 track miles). For autocross, go SCCA. For track days, go PCA.
Definitely sounds like you know how to drive. I really should bring the car on the track one day. I do feel I’ll miss have a six speed and imo a 7 speed in a S or GTS doesn’t do much for me either.
@@watchwithme91 One doesn't really change gears much on autocross or on the track. For autocross, you likely won't hit more that 65 mph. 2nd gear rev limit at around 75mph. This means that one gets into 2nd ASAP and remains in second gear. On the track, you are pretty much in 3rd gear except for the one hairpin bend you might find, which would be 2nd gear. 3rd gear rev limit is at 108mph. On some tracks, I hit this rev limit and don't bother shifting as the it would only be for a couple of seconds before I have to brake. You pretty much remain over 5000 RPM all the time on the track. You run out of gas around the 100 mile mark. For the track near Omaha, I can get to 128mph before I have to brake. This means 4th gear. Then, it's 128 down to 55 in 4 seconds. ie. About 1.4Gs braking, but only 0.4Gs accelerating. The 7th gear on the new Porsches is more for economy highway driving. You should try out autocross for at least a year before going on the track. You basically compete with yourself, sometimes look at where you are in a group. Autocross will make you feel comfortable in your car in bad situations. I once skidded on black ice on the streets, before recovering (My C4S was my daily driver, in in the middle of winter. I now use a Chevy Colorado ZR2 offroad truck for winter driving. No problem driving in 8 inch). My heart raced after that. With autocross practice, I skidded on slick wet road (maybe oil) and my heart didn't miss a beat. You become comfortable controlling the car, even during a skid. When improving in autocross, your mind switches from wanting to be riding on rails to just wanting the car to be pointing in the right direction). I remember a person who got a new 991.1 GT3 and had never done autocross or track days before. He was doing 100mph down a straight, but spun the car with a slight kink in the straight. He ended up skidding backwards down the track at 100mph. It freaked him out. He ended up going to Track Fridays near Omaha for a while to build up his confidence again. The Porsche Experience center in Atlanta is also a good place to go. I tried the 991.1 GT3 versus Turbo there. On the wet kick-plate (where it kicks the back wheels out in a random direction as you drive past), I could keep the Turbo straight even at 30mph. With the GT3, I was spinning above 24mph. On the drift circle, the GT3 kept spinning, causing me to get a bit dizzy. While the GT3 might be fun in the dry (it has a tremendous amount of grip on Cup 2 tires), I would much prefer the control of the Turbo. Sticky tires and correct tire pressure are the most important components for autocross and track days. The 997.2 C4S is a pretty raw car. I felt that it was between the 991.1 GT3 and Turbo in terms of rawness. The car would vibrate at idle but not as much as the GT3 (with bucket seats). The GT3 gets hot and uncomfortable in those bucket seats. The PDK gear upshift is jarring in the GT3. Anyway. Have fun with your car. It's too easy to want to go down the upgrade path. It will take several years of autocross to really feel that you can fully control the 997.2. You will derive a great deal of satisfaction by doing this.
Have the same car with PDK. Love it, had it 32 months, it has held its value and resale. Tweaked the intake and exhaust, put Retro Fusch 19 wheels, some think it is a 993c2s I plan to hold or step up to 997.2 turbo
I own a 991.1 base. Love it all the way. First was thinking of getting a 997.2 then decided against it and went all in with my €s - have it for 2 years now and didn’t regret my decision a minute. Just sayin
Cool vid, I live in east london and drive a 2009 911 997.2 Carrera 4s with PDK transmission. Prices for gen 2 997’s are on the increase, keep your 911 and enjoy your investment, basalt black looks stunning and it’s an everyday driver.
So how’s this... I owned a 991.1 tts for 5 yrs, traded up for a Mclaren (no regrets) but missed the 911 experience. Bought a 997.2 c4s and I gotta say I’m so impressed with this car, I feel it will be a keeper.
Keep the 997.2 and enjoy it whilst it keeps it's value. Do a few mods to keep yourself interested. Forged wheels (light) will improve the driving experience.
@@watchwithme91 Unless they are replicas, pretty sure the OEM turbo wheels you have on your car are forged, FYI. I just bought a set yesterday. Nice car, nice wheels.
@@watchwithme91 i have black on black 997.2S, 2yrs now. i figure i'll wrap in a couple of years and get my 'new' 911 that. only other thing i want are coilovers to lower the car and keep my PASM which i'm running with the DSC Sport controller. Good luck which ever way you go. for me, i'd take the GT3 over a turbo. give me NA. and frankly, 0-60 < 4s isn't something I'd be able to use a lot. i like rowing my own and enjoying the sounds. a 1s or 1.5s less time to 60 is less time to enjoy the fun.
So what did you decide? Did you sell it? I am watching videos since I just got five days back, a 2010 997.2 Carrera. 6MT. Top condition and just love it.
Great video man, I would keep it. Perhaps get a full wrap in another color if that would help. If you plan to keep it for a very long time you could recover the seats in some custom materials or something like Houndstooth. I feel like wheels can be polarizing so make sure you really love them. Great car though and it should become a real classic. Cheers
997.2 is one the nicest style, however, I never like black color on any car because black color does not reveal the beauty of any color. It absorbs all the frequencies of the visible light. I love black interior with alcantara or leather.
Honestly I’m in the market for a Porsche 997.1 after 2005 of course I don’t need the ims issue looming over me too much and 06-08 didn’t really see it if at all. But! I’ve been looking at the markets and if the stock carrera is beginning to pick up in value I think that’s a pretty good indication of where the market is going. Especially for a car like yours, every 997 is looking like it’s picking up.
I'm with you on cars with dark colors and keeping them clean, it was one of the reasons why I got rid of my low mileage E92 M3. Well also because I went the 911(GT silver 997.1 911S) route for my weekend/nice weather car. If you can get top dollar for your .2 right now, add a little on top and get into a GT3, I would do it. What about a 997.2 Turbo or 997.1 GT3?
Same company that made the GT3Tek lip I own. I believe they’re called better bodies online. I am selling mine but don’t believe they work for the wide body.
I think it’s hideous and that you should sell it to me 😂. All kidding aside, I’m in Jersey and am looking for a .2 S manual with sport seats. I know you don’t have those seats but if you’re considering selling it, please let me know. Regarding your concerns on 991.1 GT3 warranty issues, valid point but I think most buyers are concerned more with service history, condition and who they’re buying from rather than warranty issues. Good PPI / DME will offset no warranty imo. Regardless, you have a beautiful car!
I like your take but it is a little contradicting cause you said earlier the 991 are to big but the later said you love them ~ the 991 cars in general are to big if your a real 997 guy you know what you have the 997 will continue to go up the 991 cars are ginormous 🤷🏾♂️
Amazing car, will still look great in 20 years. Stick your Sub on, get in the 911 and you should realise your doing alright. My only issue is you don't drive it enough. I think anything else for the money is a downgrade and the next level up is a considerable commitment. It's 2021 and the worlds going to shit, I'd recommend staying liquid and enjoying what you have.
Debt-free on the car at your age? I am older, but looking back, if I was in your position I would shoot for something you really really want. What year is your Porsche? I couldn't tell
@@watchwithme91 I was thinking about a 2010. But, honestly, something newer with some manner of a CPO is a thought. I have not formed an opinion on the 991 yet. Currently, I drive an old fart car, a 2010 Panamera. I love it, just haven't gotten out of a BMW 335i, 2015. The cockpits look virtually the same between r2 vehicles
@@watchwithme91 I have the S. The eight cylinder is very good, coupled with the PDK. Sport mode and adjustable suspension levels. Coupled with the padded shifters on the steering wheel. (Not really paddle shifters, as they are incorporated onto the steering wheel), It has very good performance. Far the way better than all the BMWs that I have owned, almost, better than the m3 that I had
Great car and the 997.2 may have trajectory of increasing in price. Can be a classic . Either keep it as a forever car and sell it later or sell now since the market is so hot. That’s my two cents as a native Long Island Porsche owner. Regardless, enjoy it!
Thanks for watching guys! Who's ready for some nicer weather in the north east?
Ive got a 997 Turbo, use it everyday. Great vid, drive it more!
Thanks bud
Better late than never. That’s a beautiful car brother!!
Thanks!
991 & 992 might be 'superior' in technology, power, etc ... but in general it is considered that these new generations are less attractive as their body has grown too much, this 997.2 remains to be the best choice : reliable in comparison to previous models, fantastic look and perfectly proportioned size. If I had the money I would consider buying a 991 'on top of' my 997.2 but I will not consider 'replacing' it. My idea ...
Interesting thought, thank you!
There's the gorgeous 911 I've been waiting to see! You should definitely drive it more often. As for the next upgrade, if those 2 are you choice I would go with the GT3. The Metzger engine is highly sought after and it's super solid and reliable. I like the looks of the Turbo but the coolant line issue that require an engine out to rectify is annoying and rather expensive. My PCA group will probably disown me for saying this but when you get to the GT3 and Turbo's price range, you're able to get a used Mercedes AMG GT, GTS. A direct competition to the 911 and I think they are just amazing from every aspect. If I ever decided to sell my 911, the AMG will be my next weekend toy. Thanks for the awesome video!
I’ve thought about a , NSX, R8 and the GT R AMG but I always come back the the 911
I have a manual 2010 Porsche 911 C4S Cab. I have also thought about if I would buy a 911 Turbo in the future. What is neat about the manual is that the rev limiter is hit at 43mph. This means that I can be aggressive with my foot to the floor, hitting 7000 rpm, and know that I still haven't exceeded the speed limit. With a new PDK turbo, which can hit 60mph in less than 3 seconds, one would reach illegal speeds before one has time to savor the experience. This means that I would have to drive a turbo with care, which would reduce the fun level. Something you should do is try auto crossing or taking it on a track, and learn how to control the weight balance. It can be a blast. When going round a corner at the limit and controlling the weight balance (to front or back), you can cause the back tires to slide around until the car is pointing where you want it to. Hit the gas, and the back tires grip, and you straighten up. If you don't know how to control the weight balance, it will feel like the car tends to understeer. Control the weight balance and it feels great. It won't be the fastest but the challenge is fun. One needs to learn car control through auto crossing before taking it on a track. However, it is easier to learn weight balance control on long sweepers on a track. Autocross is cheap. When doing track days, I get through a set of brake pads and tires in 2 weekends (4 track days - or about 500 track miles). For autocross, go SCCA. For track days, go PCA.
Definitely sounds like you know how to drive. I really should bring the car on the track one day. I do feel I’ll miss have a six speed and imo a 7 speed in a S or GTS doesn’t do much for me either.
@@watchwithme91 One doesn't really change gears much on autocross or on the track. For autocross, you likely won't hit more that 65 mph. 2nd gear rev limit at around 75mph. This means that one gets into 2nd ASAP and remains in second gear. On the track, you are pretty much in 3rd gear except for the one hairpin bend you might find, which would be 2nd gear. 3rd gear rev limit is at 108mph. On some tracks, I hit this rev limit and don't bother shifting as the it would only be for a couple of seconds before I have to brake. You pretty much remain over 5000 RPM all the time on the track. You run out of gas around the 100 mile mark. For the track near Omaha, I can get to 128mph before I have to brake. This means 4th gear. Then, it's 128 down to 55 in 4 seconds. ie. About 1.4Gs braking, but only 0.4Gs accelerating. The 7th gear on the new Porsches is more for economy highway driving. You should try out autocross for at least a year before going on the track. You basically compete with yourself, sometimes look at where you are in a group. Autocross will make you feel comfortable in your car in bad situations. I once skidded on black ice on the streets, before recovering (My C4S was my daily driver, in in the middle of winter. I now use a Chevy Colorado ZR2 offroad truck for winter driving. No problem driving in 8 inch). My heart raced after that. With autocross practice, I skidded on slick wet road (maybe oil) and my heart didn't miss a beat. You become comfortable controlling the car, even during a skid. When improving in autocross, your mind switches from wanting to be riding on rails to just wanting the car to be pointing in the right direction). I remember a person who got a new 991.1 GT3 and had never done autocross or track days before. He was doing 100mph down a straight, but spun the car with a slight kink in the straight. He ended up skidding backwards down the track at 100mph. It freaked him out. He ended up going to Track Fridays near Omaha for a while to build up his confidence again. The Porsche Experience center in Atlanta is also a good place to go. I tried the 991.1 GT3 versus Turbo there. On the wet kick-plate (where it kicks the back wheels out in a random direction as you drive past), I could keep the Turbo straight even at 30mph. With the GT3, I was spinning above 24mph. On the drift circle, the GT3 kept spinning, causing me to get a bit dizzy. While the GT3 might be fun in the dry (it has a tremendous amount of grip on Cup 2 tires), I would much prefer the control of the Turbo. Sticky tires and correct tire pressure are the most important components for autocross and track days. The 997.2 C4S is a pretty raw car. I felt that it was between the 991.1 GT3 and Turbo in terms of rawness. The car would vibrate at idle but not as much as the GT3 (with bucket seats). The GT3 gets hot and uncomfortable in those bucket seats. The PDK gear upshift is jarring in the GT3. Anyway. Have fun with your car. It's too easy to want to go down the upgrade path. It will take several years of autocross to really feel that you can fully control the 997.2. You will derive a great deal of satisfaction by doing this.
The GT3 spoiler is absolutely brutal and needs to be removed immediately but otherwise-keep it!
I like it.
Have the same car with PDK. Love it, had it 32 months, it has held its value and resale. Tweaked the intake and exhaust, put Retro Fusch 19 wheels, some think it is a 993c2s I plan to hold or step up to 997.2 turbo
Sounds like a good idea
Top video 👍 Stunning iconic car. Keep, keep, keep all day long.
Thank you so much.
I have a 997.2 C4S Black on Black full leather interior, sport chrono, sport exhaust, clear tail light.
Nice!
I own a 991.1 base. Love it all the way. First was thinking of getting a 997.2 then decided against it and went all in with my €s - have it for 2 years now and didn’t regret my decision a minute. Just sayin
Interesting
For me GT3 Touring with manual no doubt. Because manual is rare and holds value. Easy maintenance as well.
Cool vid, I live in east london and drive a 2009 911 997.2 Carrera 4s with PDK transmission. Prices for gen 2 997’s are on the increase, keep your 911 and enjoy your investment, basalt black looks stunning and it’s an everyday driver.
Thanks Mark! Drive safe.
So how’s this... I owned a 991.1 tts for 5 yrs, traded up for a Mclaren (no regrets) but missed the 911 experience. Bought a 997.2 c4s and I gotta say I’m so impressed with this car, I feel it will be a keeper.
Hmm interesting
Keep the 997.2 and enjoy it whilst it keeps it's value. Do a few mods to keep yourself interested. Forged wheels (light) will improve the driving experience.
Good point.
@@watchwithme91 Unless they are replicas, pretty sure the OEM turbo wheels you have on your car are forged, FYI. I just bought a set yesterday. Nice car, nice wheels.
Vinyl wrap would allow for a color change and will protect the paint. 👍
Not a bad idea. Thought about olive green. 🤔
@@watchwithme91 Nice. I always wanted Intense Blue in Gloss for my 997.2 C2. 👍
@@watchwithme91 i have black on black 997.2S, 2yrs now. i figure i'll wrap in a couple of years and get my 'new' 911 that. only other thing i want are coilovers to lower the car and keep my PASM which i'm running with the DSC Sport controller. Good luck which ever way you go. for me, i'd take the GT3 over a turbo. give me NA. and frankly, 0-60 < 4s isn't something I'd be able to use a lot. i like rowing my own and enjoying the sounds. a 1s or 1.5s less time to 60 is less time to enjoy the fun.
So what did you decide? Did you sell it? I am watching videos since I just got five days back, a 2010 997.2 Carrera. 6MT. Top condition and just love it.
Still have it!
I have a 2012 997.2 Turbo S. I love it. I say you keep that car, pay it off, and keep driving it.
Nice! Enjoy it!
Beautiful car! Tough choice
agree 100% on color... has to be the right color... for me... speed yellow...
Yes to speed yellow! 🤩
Great video man, I would keep it. Perhaps get a full wrap in another color if that would help. If you plan to keep it for a very long time you could recover the seats in some custom materials or something like Houndstooth. I feel like wheels can be polarizing so make sure you really love them. Great car though and it should become a real classic. Cheers
If I keep it in definitely going to redo the seats! Good point!
997.2 is one the nicest style, however, I never like black color on any car because black color does not reveal the beauty of any color. It absorbs all the frequencies of the visible light. I love black interior with alcantara or leather.
I completely agree on the color. I have a 997.2 GTS. The black shows everything. Considered wrapping?
I’ve thought about it but IMO it’s such a large investment for what I think isn’t the best looking end result.
@@watchwithme91 true. I got a quote for $2500 here. A lot of money. White Pearl, which actually looks really nice. Also would cover from rocks
Honestly I’m in the market for a Porsche 997.1 after 2005 of course I don’t need the ims issue looming over me too much and 06-08 didn’t really see it if at all. But! I’ve been looking at the markets and if the stock carrera is beginning to pick up in value I think that’s a pretty good indication of where the market is going. Especially for a car like yours, every 997 is looking like it’s picking up.
Very true.
IMO you should turn it back to 100% stock. The GT3 wing is ridiculous, sorry.
Really? Damn, I actually really like it lol. 😆
991.2 GT3
When storing your car keep your tires at 45-50psi = no flat spots!
I do now, great call. Thanks!
GT3. That’s a car to keep forever.
Agree!
I'm with you on cars with dark colors and keeping them clean, it was one of the reasons why I got rid of my low mileage E92 M3. Well also because I went the 911(GT silver 997.1 911S) route for my weekend/nice weather car. If you can get top dollar for your .2 right now, add a little on top and get into a GT3, I would do it. What about a 997.2 Turbo or 997.1 GT3?
The 997 turbo doesn’t do much for me and the 997 GT3 is close to to the price of a 991 GT3. It depends if I want to take the risk of a 991.1 GT3.
Hold, prices are up
👍🏼
You would only get a 991.2 GT3 if you wanted manual. Other than that just get the .1 GT3.
Where did you get the front spoiler
Great video
Thanks man! Check out gt3tek.com
Do you still have the car? Interested in selling or trading?
Sold
Tell us about the side skirts? I'm in the market for 997 wide body side skirts...
Same company that made the GT3Tek lip I own. I believe they’re called better bodies online. I am selling mine but don’t believe they work for the wide body.
Nice car ... if you serious about selling - I have home for it in Toronto
Sounds good!
I think it’s hideous and that you should sell it to me 😂. All kidding aside, I’m in Jersey and am looking for a .2 S manual with sport seats. I know you don’t have those seats but if you’re considering selling it, please let me know.
Regarding your concerns on 991.1 GT3 warranty issues, valid point but I think most buyers are concerned more with service history, condition and who they’re buying from rather than warranty issues. Good PPI / DME will offset no warranty imo.
Regardless, you have a beautiful car!
Thank you very much!
Just seen your vid......have you kept your 997.2?
I think the 997.2 is a smashing car. One that will in my opinion holds its value and go upwards.
It’s for sale
Cool. What exhaust you have on it
Go for the Porsche gt3
Agree!
I like your take but it is a little contradicting cause you said earlier the 991 are to big but the later said you love them ~ the 991 cars in general are to big if your a real 997 guy you know what you have the 997 will continue to go up the 991 cars are ginormous 🤷🏾♂️
I understand that 991 is too large but I still like them.
Keep it
I might!
Prices are falling again now. There are a lot of 997.2 available and a lot of them have been sitting on dealer lots for many, many months now.
I actually sold it this year in May for a good price. Currently waiting for a GT4 allocation.
Amazing car, will still look great in 20 years. Stick your Sub on, get in the 911 and you should realise your doing alright. My only issue is you don't drive it enough. I think anything else for the money is a downgrade and the next level up is a considerable commitment. It's 2021 and the worlds going to shit, I'd recommend staying liquid and enjoying what you have.
Solid advice! I really thought 2021 was gonna be the light at the end of the tunnel. 😕
Debt-free on the car at your age? I am older, but looking back, if I was in your position I would shoot for something you really really want. What year is your Porsche? I couldn't tell
Hi, thanks for the comment. It’s a 2010.
@@watchwithme91 I was thinking about a 2010. But, honestly, something newer with some manner of a CPO is a thought. I have not formed an opinion on the 991 yet. Currently, I drive an old fart car, a 2010 Panamera. I love it, just haven't gotten out of a BMW 335i, 2015. The cockpits look virtually the same between r2 vehicles
I really love the panamera! I’ve heard they drive unbelievable.
@@watchwithme91 I have the S. The eight cylinder is very good, coupled with the PDK. Sport mode and adjustable suspension levels. Coupled with the padded shifters on the steering wheel. (Not really paddle shifters, as they are incorporated onto the steering wheel), It has very good performance. Far the way better than all the BMWs that I have owned, almost, better than the m3 that I had
keep the car ...its really nice ..NO car payments ..screw that ...
👍🏼
Make money?
There're printing money like nobody's business.
Get a Porsche 918! 😁
Hah!
Great car and the 997.2 may have trajectory of increasing in price. Can be a classic . Either keep it as a forever car and sell it later or sell now since the market is so hot. That’s my two cents as a native Long Island Porsche owner. Regardless, enjoy it!
Appreciate the advice!
Did you sell it? I have a 997.2 Turbo PDK. And its a keeper. Crazy quick. Prices appreciating at the moment.
Still have it but think I’ll list it this April