The one about FOUR LIGHTS! - TNG: Chain of Command, Part II - Season 6, Episode 11
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Chain of Command, Part II! The famous one about four lights. It's widely considered one of the best Star Trek episodes of all time, but surprisingly (or unsurprisingly?) the NST crew has some dissenting opinions. Interesting... how many lights did they truly see?
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21:21 - Episode recap and discussion
1:10:52 - Mailbag
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There are three kinds of people. 1)Those that see the glass as half full, 2)those that see the glass as half empty, and 3)those that know there's piss in the glass. Jelly is number 3
You forgot number 4. They know there's piss in the glass, and are figuring out how to make someone drink it unbeknownst to them. 😮
@@dragonsword7370and the fifth guy searching for someone to drink it, while being fully open about the contets
The glass is half full AND half empty. That's how halves work. There are 2 of them in a whole. 1/2
I cant wait for Deep Space 9! omg The Miles Episodes!
Suffering Tier: Irish 😂
@@Cole205 Suffering Status: Married to Keiko
@@nowhereman6019 it's so over
O'brien must suffer
1 episode a week, carry the 4, divide by 2..... so spring 2025?
I like how, when Picard is being taken away to be cleaned up, a Cardasian is reaching out to help with walk, and Picard angrily waves him off.
The Toy was a movie with Richard Pryor and Jackie Gleason, where he purchased a black man as a toy for his son.
Toys with Robin Williams is about a toy manufacturer who is being pushed out of his business by the military industrial complex.
Both sucked however.
Haha I read your comment and thought you were talking about a horror film but I've just looked it up and it's a comedy
@Frogface91 Yeah, being old is pretty cool.
Jellico is probably one of my all time favorite side characters for all the reasons you guys listed here. Dude is an absolute chad of a captian.
I OFFICIALLY LOVE NEWBIE STAR TREK!
About time
Data's only weakness as number one is that a big part of the job is being a kinda human resources person, getting the department heads to do what the captain wants. The often requires soft skills/people skills. Something Data is always getting better at but is still lacking in.
I think Data as an XO would be similar to having a Vulcan in that role, which I think most people would find acceptable. The only appreciable difference is that Data displays an affectation of anger as when he raises his voice at Lt. Cmdr. Hobson on the Sutherland.
"Your dad's love is EXPIRED!" Bro, my DAD is expired. 🤣🤣🤣
Jackie Gleeson was in "The Toy" with Richard Pryor and it is a decade earlier and nothing like "Toys"
Riker's smugness is palpable when Jellico comes to him lol, it's ridiculous.
Excited for Gul Dukat kino soon
Fun fact:
There's been a treaty against anti-personnel mines that's been signed by a lot of states, not the big ones like USA, Russia, India or China though.
So whenever a signatory country like Germany buys mines from the US, they have to make sure that every single one of them has a working detonator that only lets the mine explode when someone pushes a button, but not with some sort of automatic tripwire.
Somebody's job involves converting mines from personnel detecting to manual detonation & I'd bet they get paid the big bucks
@@JohnMuhaw-qu1wimaybe but that much. Mines don't come shipped with detonators installed as to facilitate safety. Not trying to imply thatyou didn't if you didn't.
Lmao why do they shit on Marvin when he really likes an episode
Gul: "here have some food. Mwahahahaa"
Picard seed creepy egg critter: "Hell, Warf cooked us weirder shit than that last week. Are we gonna take this torture seriously or not?"
GIVE US DS9!!!!!
Both excited and nervous for DS9 😂 It’s a beloved show for me and I foresee a lot of arguing out loud while listening to you guys 😂
DS9 is coming and house of the dragon is airing, content clouds have broken
Don't for get acolyte 😂😂😂
Picard gets to have his therapist at work all day every day. Troi is the captain unofficially
Ahhh! Sweet! I always thought this episode was cool, and I cant wait to hear the crew do DS9!!!!
Wild to see people take the best second-episode of any two parter and think the first episode, the one that was just all set up, was better
This episode does a really good job at reintroducing the Cardassians to us and doing the essential worldbuilding so that we are more familiar with them in DS9. Speaking of which, I can't wait for the new series!
Jellico is a great captain he challenged their bullshit buddy system.
Yeah Riker acted like a B
Ikr?! The whole idea was to make him out like some interloping asshole, but he was a pretty solid Skipper.
@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 it was a bait and switch.
When we watched it live we thought he was another ass hole star fleet Admiral industry plant but then he owned the spoon heads in the nebula and we loved him
The actual rule stated that you could show 3/4 of the ass before it was considered nudity. There’s was a Comedy Central show called “The Man Show” and they created the 3/4 butt shorts, which had 3/4ths of the back cut out. I miss that show…
That show was one of the most embarrassing things from our past ever.
And now one of the host “comedians” is out there pushing fascism hard
If you want to get a girl to understand whats it like to get tagged in the testicles, what you need to tell them is:
"imagine your Fallopian tubes are exposed and some just kicked them", that should get the reaction you are looking for.
THERE WERE FOUR LIGHTS BUT IF YOU USED THAT TORTURE REMOTE THAT LIGHTS UP AND THEN YOU END UP WITH SIX
I'm with Marvin on this one... Patrick Stewart & David Warner's performances were on point, the substance of their relationship of heartless torturer & victim, to that of pitiable man & underdog (the way Picard says "What lights?" reminds me of the way Captain America says "I can do this all day.") Great reviews and can't wait to watch DS9 with you guys. Just started Emissary, and I've never made it passed season 5, so this is gonna be a long ride. Let's GOOOoooo!!!
You guys are so funny, I really love this podcast
As Jay's fan, I can never forgive the Dodgers for taking Ohtani and now other players too.
50:33 OMG WHY DIDN'T I THINK ABOUT THIS BEFORE?!
Okay, so instead of just implying they had ghost-*****r in their custody and waiting to torture her if Picard didn't stay... They actually SHOWED they had her in custody. Not on a remote screen or something but actually walk in a gagged Beverly into the room for 10 seconds. Just enough to freak Picard out, enough to make him stay. Then, after that scene ends, it switched back to an over-the-shoulder panning shot off of Beverly, on the Enterprise during one of the briefings with Jellico.
That mind-****s Picard, and mind-**** us, the audience. And can even add moments of ptsd/paranoia tension when later, any inactions with Picard and Beverly, he sometimes gets to wondering if this is actually her or a Cardassian plant, agent infiltrating the ship?
Wow. You are /all/ wrong about the biggest lowkey horror in TNG. We all know one of the most horrifying episodes is "Galaxy's Child". This is a psychological-horror thriller as the usually-composed engineer falls into greater and greater depths of obsession for a new arrival he's gawked from a distance for years. Will he murder her once rejected? Will he kidnap her? Hold her in the holodeck?
It's true
@@NewbieStarTrek You were wrong. Completely wrong.
Thinking about it..there are a few horror episodes!
Any transporter malfunction.episode, Chain of Command (torture), Galaxy's child (forced impregnation). "Remember Me" - everyone slowly disappears... There are loads!
It's gotta be the one where Worf finds out he has a kid.
I said the same about Picard should not be put back in the captain's chair so soon after the torture, although I understand that it's mainly because this was episodic storytelling. Can't believe I've caught up with your uploads! 😢
So, regarding Jellico he becomes a recurring character in a series of books called New Frontier by Peter David where he is an admiral and acts as both antagonist and reasonable authority figure throughout the series. So you guys aren't the only ones who feel there's more to Jellico than what we see here.
Regarding the scene with Picard and Deanna at the end, Picard actually looks meaningfully at her before they go to the ready room, essentially non-verbally communicating "I need to fucking talk about this. Now." So I'm with Marvin that they give a nod to the fact that he's been traumatized and will need to unpack what happened. Given that it was the early 90's, having a hero acknowledge this and undergo therapy is actually pretty big, IMHO.
Can't wait to see your take on DS9. I think Ricardo is going to ultimately like Sisko more than he does Picard, but that's just a guess.
Was not expecting a footprints in the sand reference
LL Cool J is in Toys. And so was Michael Gambon.
They did the Manchurian candidate thing eventually.
I've seen Closet Land. Watching that Star Trek episode never caught that.
You guys really blew it, TOYs is so up your ally. I would love to hear each of your takes on it. It is honestly a decent movie. LLcool J is amazing in it. ... LLCOOL J!
Love this episode and very excited for DS9
31:16 dermatologists recommend people to stop sunning their assholes because it's not out in the sun very much, and people have been developing skin cancer on their assholes😂
Oh no
Babylon 5 has an episode "Intersections in Real Time" which is this episode but x1000
Eh
The worst TNG episode is better then any kino B5 episode
@@LordZebra whoa that is an outrageous take. B5 has dozens of great episodes that are peak writing and sci fi. And tng has dozens of clunkers.
Everybody doesn't have to like everything that everybody else likes. It does no harm to me when somebody doesn't like darmok. Everybody needs to realize if I'm not a fan of what you are a fan of, it's not the same as hitting you in the face with a baseball bat
Sometimes, fandom can become part of identity for some people, so it can feel personal
This episode was democracy manifest
5:15
Toys is a fantastic movie.
I think you confused big and Jack, Robin Williams wasn't in big that was Tom hanks.
But Robin Williams was in Jack, similar premise but reversed.
Bill cosby is in Jack too...
80s and 90s werent so stuck up as now a days...
I was just reading some of the reviews of ST Discovery about it's last season. I can't wait to hear you're comments! 😅
It's been so long since I've seen the episode I don't know if he was wearing clothes when the girl came in to see her father or not
He's only naked for a scene or two before they give him a potato sack to wear. The daughter shows up towards the end of the torture.
Mines are not inherently a war crime, they are regularly used against equipment and personnel. Issues with mines come when they aren’t cleaned up after a conflict, because they can then harm civilians.
Jackie Gleason starred in “The Toy” not “Toys” RIP.
You guys have got to do ds9 next
I agee with Marvin. Great acting!
1:01:10 People hardly believed in therapy a lot less in the 90s .
If you're looking for a good horror episode Then watch Genesis from season 7.
Closet Land is one of the best films of all time. Madeleine Stowe Alan Rickman fucking so awesome
there's the ottawa treaty against the use of anti-infantry mines but it's not really a war crime
You people hate everything I love. Can't wait for the next episode
Yup agree, it's the worst best podcast I listen too right now.they give mid episodes a 8 and inner light a 6.
Maybe it's a Gen z podcast?
Marvin's right
It gets by on the performances, but the performances were amazing.
Plucky Duck was such a disappointment to kid me.
I’m 22 minutes in. When does this podcast get good?
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Cardassia did nothing wrong
Hello Gul Dukat's alt account
It's funny you're praising Jelleco because he's the source of the whole problem. Why has Picard been relieved of duty? Because the Cardassians played Jelleco by planting information that would cause starfleet to send this one specific captain into hostile territory. Why? Because the Cardassians knew Picard would become fleet leader if they went to war. And finally the big question, how did they know Picard would become fleet commander when Picard himself didn't know? It had to be a breakdown in Jelleco's chain of command because he's the "cardassian expert" placing him and his staff in contact with the Cardassians and he was one of the only people who knew about Picard's potential promotion to fleet commander.
To make it plain and simple Jelleco accidentally leaked vital strategic intelligence to a hostile foreign government, then failed to recognize a false flag operation, took over the enterprise, sent Picard to get captured in the neutral zone and tortured, had his butt saved by Riker after giving Riker nothing but contempt since meeting him and this is the guy we're supposed to believe has been right the whole time? Literally none of this would have happened if Jelleco was even half as competent as he has been made out to be but he literally failed on every single level and gets praised for it. I don't get it. He doesn't understand Cardassians and got completely fooled, the humans he works with can't stand him and he can't be trusted with top secret ultra classified documents. He's a total failure.
Uh Jellico didn't do any of that, that's Admiral Necheyev. It's actually implied at several points that Jellico strongly disagrees with the Admiral's orders. She's even the one who tells Picard those orders, not Jellico.
Lmaooo they didn't play Jell-O, they played starfleet
@@ANTIStraussian Yes I'm glad that you observed Jello works for Starfleet. Gold star.
@@JeffersonRedeyes oh you are a buffoon, you just made up a dumb fan theory that jellos command staff leaked info then wrote an insane rambling paragraph of fanfiction
Nothing you said is true and we are all dumber for having read it.
@@NewbieStarTrek Necheyev is above Picard in the chain of command. Jelleco can't give Picard orders as Picard is not udder Jelleco's command.
she is acting on missinformation given to her by Jelleco.
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"Picard returns to command too quickly, that's sus..." (paraphrased)
Ummmm, No he didn't.
If this episode were produced today, there would be text saying, "X weeks later." However, this was produced during a time when ppl didn't need those details spoon fed to them.
The show & common sense tell viewers that time has passed. Picard has to be cleaned up on Cardassia, then transported to the federation. Where he is treated for physical & mental injuries. Has at least 1 session (likely several) with the psychiatrist. Is then cleared for duty & transported back to the Enterprise. A trip that gives Deanna enough time to read the psychiatrist's notes.
So while we get a simple cut or commercial break, so much time has obviously passed. We didn't (and don't) need to see it. It's not a part of the story being told & the only have 45 minutes to tell the story.
This is the same show that had Picard live a lifetime in his mind and come back to work the next week.
Troi: "How was your recovery on Earth, Captain?"
Picard: "While I do not wish to discuss the matter, suffice to say I am ready to return to the bridge."
Troi: "It's nice to have _you_ back, Sir. If you ever want to talk -"
Picard: "Yes, I know where to find you. And thank you, Diana - it's good to be back."
It's like 5 seconds of dialogue. We don't need an entire episode where he goes back to earth and fights with his elderly brother in the mud, again. We just need some indicator that time has passed. They are telling a story - why make lame excuses for sloppy writing? 'BaCk In My DaY wE jUsT kNeW aNd DiDn'T nEeD tO bE sPoOn FeD!!1! DuRrR hUrRr!!one!'
@thea.m.p.co.467 So what point are you trying to make? This episode has the 5 seconds of dialog indicating time has passed & the trauma was addressed offscreen. While Family was the rare serialized episode dealing with trauma.
@@renecharbonneau1842Was it a week? Or did the next episode just air the following week?
I love Trek, but I didn't bother learning how star-dates work.
Time passed, and medical treatment has advanced. Including mental healthcare.
What the? Brilliant. just awesome.