@@grotto185 not really, leo was basically untouchable before.. yes he's still good but you can't pretend his recent performances have been on par with the unrivaled dominance he held for years
I don't know if Leo would've won if he started with Byleth, but as soon as he switched in game 3 the whole Tweek's combo frenzy stopped. I felt the whole atmosphere changed like Leo's Byleth is so much more intimidating... OMW
I would you recommend to you see the Marss video in this set. The Diddy’s frenzy is just “easier” against Pyra/Mythra because of banana… What is totally different against Byleth.
I feel he put too much time into Aegis and his other characters suffer. With that being said, I feel he would have won the set if he didn’t waste the first two games
Ike : “I clutch Leo Game 4 on his first tournament” Lucina : “I also clutch Leo game 4 on Genesis” Joker : “I created the Leo game 4 legend” Byleth : “I continue with the Leo game 4 legend” Aegis : “zzzzzz…….”
This is facts. I feel like Leo placed so low at this summit because he used Aegis. Aegis is honestly not the pick for him. I feel like he’s trying to force it and I’m not sure why. His Joker, Byleth, and Corrin are all top tier. I feel like he could have won against tweek if he had used either of those characters instead of Aegis
Man this is really satisfying analysis paired with excellent post production, for example the way the sequence at 8:46 comparing Tweek's patience against Leo's Byleth on ledge at SUS5 with his anxiety and antsy dashes in similar situations at Riptide was especially effective.
It looks so much like a shark fin in the water the way Leo stays off stage. I think that final interaction is the perfect display of how far this rivalry and Tweek have come
@@mcslayer9796 I think all Leo needs to win is byleth and joker for certain matchups. If he stays aegis he will continue to lose. Too many people know how to capitalize on her bad recovery.
@@PurposeDriven7_ i still don’t know why he felt the need to pick them up in the first place. I can’t think of a single time the aegis won him a situation that his byleth wouldn’t have
It's annoying when people say that Leo's Aegis isn't good. He's literally the best Aegis player. People are copying HIS Aegis, not the other way around. The issue is that his other characters just shine more in terms of his play style and the current meta. I'd personally like to see Leo become a Joker/Byleth main or Joker/Marth.
It's so funny how people tell to the best Aegis player to stop Aegis. Also you can see how much people _don't_ follow the scene since he had a lot of good results with Aegis and he just recently decided to only keep her and Byleth (without counting the few sets with Joker or Rob) in his line-up. Tweek said that Leo becomes bored and it's not a good idea to rest on your laurels so he has to challenge himself by getting out of his comfort zone to actually keep getting better at the game
@@carlosbrambila4667 Of course there’s a difference. But he’s still the best Aegis. Again, other Aegis players are copying his Aegis. He is defining the Aegis meta. I’m not sure what makes you think he isn’t the best Aegis. Cosmos is the 2nd best Aegis and he said that he copied Leo to win a tournament. And Shouton’s Aegis isn’t really anything special.
The way this storyline is being told makes it sound like we're talking about Smash's equivalent to the Worst Generation from One Piece XD great insight though, always love the analyses on various players.
Marth: "Leo will finally give me a real shot!" Mythra: "Scrub you had your chance!" ???: "Amateurs..." Mythra: "What was that, punk?!" Lucina: "AMATEURS!!"
Not sure if "Game 4 Leo" should be considered a thing without Leo's joker. But yeah, he has lost game 4's with Joker before. Also, a set where Leo is using Aegis is a set where Leo is nerfing himself. Just saying.
If this has happened with other characters besides Joker, then it can be considered a thing without considering Joker. Also, do note they specify that Leo has gone down 0-2 before reverse sweeping in particular, which is the myth in question. Leo winning game 1 or 2 and then losing 3-1 doesn't count. If you know of a set they didn't mention where Leo was down 0-2, won game 3, then lost game 4 with Joker, please tell us.
I think people just got better Not just skillwise, but mentally, you let these kind of things get to your head they're far more likely to happen For example, Tweek having been in that position kept it together as well as he could this time and it paid off
@@mmmmgood7318 no everyone has gotten better, players are much better mentality wise, people like Light, Proto and Tweek just have a lock on how to work around Leo, I really just think because he wins so much everyone already understands his characters relatively well. I think the idea that no one has improved is not only disrespectful but incredibly stupid
Idk about tweek lol he always shows moments of brilliance and then kind shits the bed the next few tourneys he’s always been so hot and cold even in smash 4 but I do agree with you that players have finally caught up, especially seeing Japan showing out lately.
If he started out with byleth he probably would have destroyed. I love how people completely ignore the one extremely contrasting and differing variable between this tournament and every other tournament he did better in. He didn't play aegis. Imagine if Mkleo picked up kirby for the hell of it and didn't play any other character the entire summit. Would you be saying everyone else improved a lot and became more of a challenge for him, that he's washed up? Or would you simply make the rational observation that one extremely important variable changed in his gameplay, inferior character pick.
Kinda crazy to see so many people cry for this man’s Joker back just cause they miss it oh so much. They rather see the man lose with other characters he’s good with just so they can say “See? See? He should’ve never left Joker!” The man wins with Joker. The man wins with Byleth. The man wins with Corrin. The man wins with Aegis. Y’all stop crying whenever he uses a character not named Joker and doesn’t come in 1st place. He may be the best player in the world, but he can’t win them all. Stop crying
Between Joker, Byleth, Corrin, and Aegis the Aegis has caused him the most losses and the lowest places in tournaments for him. I can’t speak for other people but it’s frustrating to see him play Aegis with the results I’ve seen in the past. I think people are also frustrated to see him use a character that honestly nerfs him. I would love to see him play Joker again but I also love to see him play Corrin and Byleth. I don’t like to see him play Aegis, a character who causes him the most losses
so, for others, they want Leo to be a committal player like Light who sticks to their true main (Fox) no matter what happens because it is the player's best character
It’s annoying Leo can win like 12 sets or some shit vs tweek then tweek wins three and suddenly Leo is washed. Like people give Leo to much shit if he loses. If any other player loses it doesn’t seem like a big deal
I was watching HBox's live reaction to this set as it was happening. As soon as MKLeo got him down to his last stock on game 3, he said "Tweek has to close this out now or we're going to came 5." Sure enough, that's exactly what happened.
This is what happens when you try to main 5+ characters at top level. Leo's Joker was awesome, then he got Byleth in his arsenal and he was fire. Boom 💥, 2 strong mains. Then he got Corrin and won a major, cool, 3 strong characters. Then he got ROB... Then he got Aegis and now here we are. It's too much to manage. He may be good for one tournament, but when one character doesn't work, he'll have to switch to another. If those other chars aren't warmed up properly, you're probably gonna lose in the end. I know Leo is the best player in the world, but that doesn't make him God. I think more people are finally realizing that top players aren't always right.
you shouldnt count ROB tbh, it was a thing he just tried, like greninja. he can master whatever he wants tbh, if he put enough time into them, i just dont think Aegis is a good match for him, Aegis has no clutch factor, for the clutch god.
wow y’all annoyed that tweek won. acola would have beaten leo too if he used aegis. plus the hype for leo v acola was so we could see leo vs a the top steve…and we saw what happened when leo encountered a top steve. i’m so happy that tweek won that set
If people watch the whole set on Tweek v Leo Tweek mentioned that Leo said he always wins/he wins a lot so he likes to feel the pressure of being behind
Leo to stubborn and wants to win under his own terms like using rob all the way to grands and losing or trying out Corrin. Than he says he wants to try marth. If he just sticks to joker/Byleth he would win but he’s always trying to find a new character.
Mkleo is still the best, he may have chosen not the best character for his matchups in this summit, but everyone knows when he says he is going to stick to one character for a tournament he does it, even if he loses
Personally, I think MKLeo autopilots when he uses Pythra. So far as Byleth he has to be more disciplined and think more about his decision making because they are slower and also have access to tippers. So far as Joker, I think his movement really comes to life when MKLeo uses him. The speed and agility looks completely different from any other player using them. It's confusing why we don't see more of his Joker.
Totally agree, I don't understand why he went full Aegis in this tournament. When he finally noticed Byleth was a better option it was already too late. He did mentioned in TW that he understands now that Aegis is not the right pick for him.
I don't really like wild titles like "were we wrong about game 4 leo?". Leo has been the best I'm ultimate for its whole lifespan. Yes, he isn't as dominant as he was before but he's human. We all lose and we don't always win (before leo didn't even win every set he played in, that would be obsurd). I hope leo is able to deal with publicity like this of some people doubting him constantly and being mean to him about using aegis (the twitch chat during his ss5 set with tweek was horrifying to stare at). I hope in the future leo continues to use whoever he thinks is for him so we can continue to stay on the edge of our seats watching him play ultimate
The problem isn't that Leo's Aegis isn't good. It is better than good. It's great, and it can clearly win majors. He won a major with it basically solo before every other Aegis player did. The problem is Leo's Aegis isn't so good and so different that people cannot compete with it. It doesn't do anything that much better than his Byleth, and while I think it still has a place in his lineup if he can maintain it, it's not as good as his practiced Joker and it's not as consistent as his Byleth.
yall need to chill, pythra obviously isnt going well for him and tbh hes kinda in a character crisis like tweek. He went back to diddy and has shown amazing results, imagine if leo went back to byleth and joker...
I know what you mean by losing streak but the placements mkleo consistently gets is not a losing streak at all. This man is so good that placing out of top 8 at a super major is consider bad for him but for any normal person if you placed top 8 or close to it at a super major you would be ecstatic and on top of the world thinking wow maybe one day I can be the best lol
Things that always happen with Leo. If he loses to an specific individual let's say Tweek or Esam the internet course of action is: "MAN THIS IS THE LEO SLAYER! HERE IT IS! LEO IS DONE!" Leo loses couple of tournaments: WE WERE WRONG ABOUT GAME 4 LEO. LEO IS NO LONGER TOP? JAPAN IS THE FUTURE? Give it a rest the guy will probably be smash Ultimate top 1# for as long as he plays. Sure his Aegis was the main cause of why he lost but thats just couple of loses. Imagine guys like riddles who is tryharding a carry character and despite all of that he is not passing that number 5 spot? Or tweek who was supposed to be the 2nd best player and not he is like 15 or something?
Agreed. He will be back in shape to proove he continues to be the best. He was just too reckless using Aegis at top level, it works on other tournaments less stacked but against Tweek you have to go with your best and most trained character.
Yeah. A lot of players aren't solo mains anymore. Even Fatality, the dedicated Falcon main, is now picking up a secondary. I seriously think players like Proto have shifted the meta this way.
I could be wrong but I do see Leo coming back to the top despite the tremendously competitive era we are seeing rn. Also, don't count Sparg0 out, at a 100% he is able to destroy everyone, including Leo and Light
everyone acting like leo joker is jesus ffs. with that said, it’s definitely still his best character, followed by byleth. Both characters have deep, deep edgeguarding abilities pm simply don’t have. Just annoyed when people say his joker can beat everything under the sun- how about diddy, sonic and pika, then? aegis is still a viable pocket character, but he should focus on either joker or byleth.
Popularity can go up to someone’s head. “Top tier” doesn’t always mean “easy wins” he’s gotta put effort and calculate better or not and fall with whatever excuse he can come up with.
Totally agreed he has been reckless in going full Aegis on tournaments. It works on less stacked tournaments to not span his main characters but against Tweek? He had to go Byleth or Joker
Didn't he win the SWT with her? So that was probably one of the tournaments with the highest payout too. Hardly something to sneeze at when he'd barely used Pyra back then.
the biggest hit piece in eSports history, and from last of all people hahahahaha Leo in the floor, and everyone is kicking him for some views. the bigger you are...
It’s funny to see all these comments from the rat boys trying to hate on Leo. He is just better guys, he is not even playing with his best characters. He just wanna have fun, while you are struggling writing here, he’s on his private island chilling, hahahah.
Leo pyra/mythra just isn’t practiced enough. I think he should go back to byleth or joker but if he just sticks it out with pyra/mythra he’ll be fine too. Just give it time
Everyone needs to chill out when mkleo loses a set. He isn’t god, he’s just good. Everyone has losing streaks
He is not just good, he has been literally the best by the whole ultimate's life span
@@charliesalazar3119 yeah but it still applies regardless
@@grotto185 not really, leo was basically untouchable before.. yes he's still good but you can't pretend his recent performances have been on par with the unrivaled dominance he held for years
Exaclty my words when i saw this tumbnail lol leo is still the best
Seriously lmao he didnt win one tournament and there’s already 8 million “MKLEO WASHED???!!” videos
I don't know if Leo would've won if he started with Byleth,
but as soon as he switched in game 3 the whole Tweek's combo frenzy stopped.
I felt the whole atmosphere changed like Leo's Byleth is so much more intimidating... OMW
I felt the same way
I would you recommend to you see the Marss video in this set. The Diddy’s frenzy is just “easier” against Pyra/Mythra because of banana… What is totally different against Byleth.
I feel he put too much time into Aegis and his other characters suffer. With that being said, I feel he would have won the set if he didn’t waste the first two games
@@TheXxKingSlayrxX agreed.
@@TheXxKingSlayrxX this^ if he is actually dropping aegis I feel like he will return to dominance
Ike : “I clutch Leo Game 4 on his first tournament”
Lucina : “I also clutch Leo game 4 on Genesis”
Joker : “I created the Leo game 4 legend”
Byleth : “I continue with the Leo game 4 legend”
Aegis : “zzzzzz…….”
This is facts. I feel like Leo placed so low at this summit because he used Aegis. Aegis is honestly not the pick for him. I feel like he’s trying to force it and I’m not sure why. His Joker, Byleth, and Corrin are all top tier. I feel like he could have won against tweek if he had used either of those characters instead of Aegis
So true
Marth: :(
ROB: :/
Corrin: :_
Corrin
Greninja: *has never been used in a 4 game offline set*
Man this is really satisfying analysis paired with excellent post production, for example the way the sequence at 8:46 comparing Tweek's patience against Leo's Byleth on ledge at SUS5 with his anxiety and antsy dashes in similar situations at Riptide was especially effective.
SUS + 5 = SUS5. Seems about right
It looks so much like a shark fin in the water the way Leo stays off stage. I think that final interaction is the perfect display of how far this rivalry and Tweek have come
Also i still imagine if that banana F smash hit at riptide how insane that wouldve been
The Aegis, the Aegis is what went wrong. Pythra is just not Leo’s character.
Yet. It's barely been a few months give it a little more time and Leo will be dominating with Pythra just as hard as Joker or Byleth
@@mcslayer9796 I thought Leo said he would be dropping them after summit 5, did I miss anything?
@@mcslayer9796 nah it just aint his character and thats fine. hes not perfect
@@mcslayer9796 I think all Leo needs to win is byleth and joker for certain matchups. If he stays aegis he will continue to lose. Too many people know how to capitalize on her bad recovery.
@@PurposeDriven7_ i still don’t know why he felt the need to pick them up in the first place. I can’t think of a single time the aegis won him a situation that his byleth wouldn’t have
It's annoying when people say that Leo's Aegis isn't good. He's literally the best Aegis player. People are copying HIS Aegis, not the other way around.
The issue is that his other characters just shine more in terms of his play style and the current meta. I'd personally like to see Leo become a Joker/Byleth main or Joker/Marth.
It's so funny how people tell to the best Aegis player to stop Aegis.
Also you can see how much people _don't_ follow the scene since he had a lot of good results with Aegis and he just recently decided to only keep her and Byleth (without counting the few sets with Joker or Rob) in his line-up. Tweek said that Leo becomes bored and it's not a good idea to rest on your laurels so he has to challenge himself by getting out of his comfort zone to actually keep getting better at the game
@@sagirem Bro first off no one is telling him that, second leo is probably the best player at almost every character so Aegis isn't special.
@@AshenDemon Just look at this comment section and you’ll see if they say it. It’s true that he’s the best at everything
He isn’t the best, he is the best player using them.
There is a difference between the best player using them and bring the best with the character.
@@carlosbrambila4667 Of course there’s a difference. But he’s still the best Aegis. Again, other Aegis players are copying his Aegis. He is defining the Aegis meta. I’m not sure what makes you think he isn’t the best Aegis. Cosmos is the 2nd best Aegis and he said that he copied Leo to win a tournament. And Shouton’s Aegis isn’t really anything special.
Feeling the energy shift as Leo went Byleth was insane. I hope he sticks with them over Aegis
Totally, I'm quite confident that have he went Byleth from Game 2, the story would have been very different.
The way this storyline is being told makes it sound like we're talking about Smash's equivalent to the Worst Generation from One Piece XD great insight though, always love the analyses on various players.
Gol D. Leo
Marth: "Leo will finally give me a real shot!"
Mythra: "Scrub you had your chance!"
???: "Amateurs..."
Mythra: "What was that, punk?!"
Lucina: "AMATEURS!!"
Not sure if "Game 4 Leo" should be considered a thing without Leo's joker. But yeah, he has lost game 4's with Joker before. Also, a set where Leo is using Aegis is a set where Leo is nerfing himself. Just saying.
Nah, it’s definitely a thing with Byleth too lol.
Marss never defeated Game 4 Leo. It was an SD, nothing else.
Game 4 Leo exists only with byleth and joker
If this has happened with other characters besides Joker, then it can be considered a thing without considering Joker.
Also, do note they specify that Leo has gone down 0-2 before reverse sweeping in particular, which is the myth in question. Leo winning game 1 or 2 and then losing 3-1 doesn't count.
If you know of a set they didn't mention where Leo was down 0-2, won game 3, then lost game 4 with Joker, please tell us.
@@JonathanScarlet marss at smash factor 9
I guess you were considering that Leo is clean sweeping everyone rn. Era of the game 1 Leo has begun
The Legend will never die
I think people just got better
Not just skillwise, but mentally, you let these kind of things get to your head they're far more likely to happen
For example, Tweek having been in that position kept it together as well as he could this time and it paid off
Wrong.......... They just figured out all his characters except one which is joker and that's the one he doesn't play with
@@mmmmgood7318 both things can be true
@@mmmmgood7318 no everyone has gotten better, players are much better mentality wise, people like Light, Proto and Tweek just have a lock on how to work around Leo, I really just think because he wins so much everyone already understands his characters relatively well. I think the idea that no one has improved is not only disrespectful but incredibly stupid
Idk about tweek lol he always shows moments of brilliance and then kind shits the bed the next few tourneys he’s always been so hot and cold even in smash 4 but I do agree with you that players have finally caught up, especially seeing Japan showing out lately.
If he started out with byleth he probably would have destroyed. I love how people completely ignore the one extremely contrasting and differing variable between this tournament and every other tournament he did better in. He didn't play aegis. Imagine if Mkleo picked up kirby for the hell of it and didn't play any other character the entire summit. Would you be saying everyone else improved a lot and became more of a challenge for him, that he's washed up? Or would you simply make the rational observation that one extremely important variable changed in his gameplay, inferior character pick.
Game 4 Leo isn't dead just because a few beat it. Again very few have done it.
It lives on. In all our hearts *Jurassic Park theme*
It's just Pythra. I like how everyone already forgot his recent return to Joker that literally nobody had an answer for.
And most importantly, Leo forgot his Joker :(
Who's going to tell them that it's impossible for an humain being to win every game 5 ?
Kinda crazy to see so many people cry for this man’s Joker back just cause they miss it oh so much. They rather see the man lose with other characters he’s good with just so they can say “See? See? He should’ve never left Joker!”
The man wins with Joker. The man wins with Byleth. The man wins with Corrin. The man wins with Aegis. Y’all stop crying whenever he uses a character not named Joker and doesn’t come in 1st place. He may be the best player in the world, but he can’t win them all. Stop crying
Between Joker, Byleth, Corrin, and Aegis the Aegis has caused him the most losses and the lowest places in tournaments for him. I can’t speak for other people but it’s frustrating to see him play Aegis with the results I’ve seen in the past. I think people are also frustrated to see him use a character that honestly nerfs him. I would love to see him play Joker again but I also love to see him play Corrin and Byleth. I don’t like to see him play Aegis, a character who causes him the most losses
@@Gekko.. his worst tournament placing was with Joker
so, for others, they want Leo to be a committal player like Light who sticks to their true main (Fox) no matter what happens because it is the player's best character
@@jirehtheprovider idk why they’d want that cause most of the top 20ish players in the world have secondaries they rely on depending on the matchup
@@jirehtheprovider I’d include Proto though someone will say that technically he has co-mains. The man still uses two characters
I want some PG stats on how many times Leo has lost a stock due to gimmping recovery with Ages vs Byleth.
It’s annoying Leo can win like 12 sets or some shit vs tweek then tweek wins three and suddenly Leo is washed. Like people give Leo to much shit if he loses. If any other player loses it doesn’t seem like a big deal
I was watching HBox's live reaction to this set as it was happening. As soon as MKLeo got him down to his last stock on game 3, he said "Tweek has to close this out now or we're going to came 5." Sure enough, that's exactly what happened.
This is what happens when you try to main 5+ characters at top level. Leo's Joker was awesome, then he got Byleth in his arsenal and he was fire. Boom 💥, 2 strong mains. Then he got Corrin and won a major, cool, 3 strong characters. Then he got ROB... Then he got Aegis and now here we are. It's too much to manage. He may be good for one tournament, but when one character doesn't work, he'll have to switch to another. If those other chars aren't warmed up properly, you're probably gonna lose in the end. I know Leo is the best player in the world, but that doesn't make him God. I think more people are finally realizing that top players aren't always right.
you shouldnt count ROB tbh, it was a thing he just tried, like greninja.
he can master whatever he wants tbh, if he put enough time into them, i just dont think Aegis is a good match for him, Aegis has no clutch factor, for the clutch god.
I can't wait for leo to win ludwig's invitational using byleth/ joker like he said he would so everyone can shut up about him being "washed"
You guys gotta cover Proto's run at summit!
+ 1. Proto mindset and flexibility with his characters is unmatched great.
Yuuuuuuup. Even the Summit video was about everyone but Proto.
I'm very relieved that Tweek was able to not get reverse 3-0'd by Leo haha its great to be a Tweek fan!!
Tweek lost next round to acola after giving an emotional speech about winning for Leo😂
What good is it if Tweek can’t win the whole tournament hahahaha! smh… 🤫🤐😂
Proceeds to lose the very next set & steal the leo vs acola we all been waiting for … cost>reward
wow y’all annoyed that tweek won. acola would have beaten leo too if he used aegis. plus the hype for leo v acola was so we could see leo vs a the top steve…and we saw what happened when leo encountered a top steve. i’m so happy that tweek won that set
@@danielt7708 lol Tweek said that if Leo won their set then Leo would go on to win the tournament 😂 so he disagrees with you.
People need to understand that just because he's good even great doesn't mean he's unbeatable. Yall need to relax...its just a game
If people watch the whole set on Tweek v Leo Tweek mentioned that Leo said he always wins/he wins a lot so he likes to feel the pressure of being behind
Leo to stubborn and wants to win under his own terms like using rob all the way to grands and losing or trying out Corrin. Than he says he wants to try marth. If he just sticks to joker/Byleth he would win but he’s always trying to find a new character.
He would've lost against Proto, just like at Double Down.
@@Realmfaker nope. Leo at his best is waaaay better than Proto at his best.
Mkleo is still the best, he may have chosen not the best character for his matchups in this summit, but everyone knows when he says he is going to stick to one character for a tournament he does it, even if he loses
I agree. Leo is still the best, he has a lot to prove by the end of this season, after not so great recent results (by his standards).
My thought has always been that the reason Game 4 Leo exists is because he gets bored and wants the pressure. He is like the main villain in anime
Personally, I think MKLeo autopilots when he uses Pythra. So far as Byleth he has to be more disciplined and think more about his decision making because they are slower and also have access to tippers. So far as Joker, I think his movement really comes to life when MKLeo uses him. The speed and agility looks completely different from any other player using them. It's confusing why we don't see more of his Joker.
He said he doesn’t enjoy him anymore
Totally agree, I don't understand why he went full Aegis in this tournament. When he finally noticed Byleth was a better option it was already too late. He did mentioned in TW that he understands now that Aegis is not the right pick for him.
But whenever Leo does lose when he's down 2, he's not playing Joker. It feels like Joker is the deciding factor
Smash never sleeps I love that line
Game 4 Leo was mostly a joker thing. Joker by design allowed insane comebacks.
I don't really like wild titles like "were we wrong about game 4 leo?". Leo has been the best I'm ultimate for its whole lifespan. Yes, he isn't as dominant as he was before but he's human. We all lose and we don't always win (before leo didn't even win every set he played in, that would be obsurd). I hope leo is able to deal with publicity like this of some people doubting him constantly and being mean to him about using aegis (the twitch chat during his ss5 set with tweek was horrifying to stare at). I hope in the future leo continues to use whoever he thinks is for him so we can continue to stay on the edge of our seats watching him play ultimate
The problem isn't that Leo's Aegis isn't good. It is better than good. It's great, and it can clearly win majors. He won a major with it basically solo before every other Aegis player did. The problem is Leo's Aegis isn't so good and so different that people cannot compete with it. It doesn't do anything that much better than his Byleth, and while I think it still has a place in his lineup if he can maintain it, it's not as good as his practiced Joker and it's not as consistent as his Byleth.
I’m excited to see if leo will drop PM as his main and go back to Joker or Byleth, or even corin, or Lucina, or Ike. Or any other character tbh
I really hope he does drops Aegis, TBH. Less consistent Ultimate results ever for him using this character.
Leo vs Tweek is just Goku Vs Vegeta for us at this point. Every time they fight in tournament its gonna be legendary.
Except Vegeta never had that W against Goku since the saiyan saga. Leo beats tweek any time any day if he plays seriously
i like leo because I love his byleth gameplay one of the most fun characters in the game, wish he would be faster and meta
The sandbagging/character crisis is finally over…hopefully
Game 4 Leo still one
yall need to chill, pythra obviously isnt going well for him and tbh hes kinda in a character crisis like tweek. He went back to diddy and has shown amazing results, imagine if leo went back to byleth and joker...
Leo should pick up Captain
leo olimar oh no
leo just sandbagging
Personally I’m excited to see the GOAT try and adapt and overcome the losing streak .
I know what you mean by losing streak but the placements mkleo consistently gets is not a losing streak at all. This man is so good that placing out of top 8 at a super major is consider bad for him but for any normal person if you placed top 8 or close to it at a super major you would be ecstatic and on top of the world thinking wow maybe one day I can be the best lol
No one can dominate forever. I'm just impressed he kept it up for so long.
Bro he's not even playing his best characters.
He lost one tournament, he may well continue dominating after this
@@azuremoon4372 I know but everyone expects a flawless record which is stupid.
Agreed. Thought I don't think he's finished just yet, pretty sure he will bounce back, will see...
Just noticed Tweek SHOOK THE HELL out of Leo's hand.
Things that always happen with Leo.
If he loses to an specific individual let's say Tweek or Esam the internet course of action is: "MAN THIS IS THE LEO SLAYER! HERE IT IS! LEO IS DONE!"
Leo loses couple of tournaments: WE WERE WRONG ABOUT GAME 4 LEO. LEO IS NO LONGER TOP? JAPAN IS THE FUTURE?
Give it a rest the guy will probably be smash Ultimate top 1# for as long as he plays. Sure his Aegis was the main cause of why he lost but thats just couple of loses. Imagine guys like riddles who is tryharding a carry character and despite all of that he is not passing that number 5 spot? Or tweek who was supposed to be the 2nd best player and not he is like 15 or something?
I mean leo actually has some real bracket demons and I think that's great. It pushes him and his competition to push forward even more
We were one banana peel away from finally seeing MKLeo v あcola.
Yea but seeing acola lose to other players was just as good, so many ppl put him on a pedistel but ppl actually gave him a challenge at summit.
@@gimmieyogrits Yeah, really hard to get a challenge when winning a game is as easy as spamming jab across the stage.
No. You were not wrong. Game 4 Leo is still a thing, he’s just getting all the misses out of his system now, so he can continue the streak later
Agreed. He will be back in shape to proove he continues to be the best. He was just too reckless using Aegis at top level, it works on other tournaments less stacked but against Tweek you have to go with your best and most trained character.
Do people know that when we say he's a god it's just an expression and he's actually an humain being ? I'm starting to doubt it
Nobody was wrong about Game 4 Leo. It's just that people treated it like an objective fact and inevitability rather than a statistic.
MKLeo Episode 5: The Joker Strikes Back
tweek taking glitch you heard it here first, also the first song?
Pyra/Mythra don't really feel like Leo.
Byleth and Joker feel like Leo.
Leo just needs to go joker and byleth, he's just better with those
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@@Shaeffen_ well we all have our preferences
10:53 YES THATS THE ISSUE DLC PACK 2 IS BULLSHIT leo is a neutral player steve and kazuya dont play neutral
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The competition is getting more competitive. Simple as that.
Yeah. A lot of players aren't solo mains anymore. Even Fatality, the dedicated Falcon main, is now picking up a secondary. I seriously think players like Proto have shifted the meta this way.
Diddy was fucking aegis, my lord!
No but you sure as hell Jinxed him.
He has been beaten in game 4’s but it’s rare and this new era of ultimate proves it
oo snake eater is a jammer
I could be wrong but I do see Leo coming back to the top despite the tremendously competitive era we are seeing rn. Also, don't count Sparg0 out, at a 100% he is able to destroy everyone, including Leo and Light
Great vid
You weren't wrong about Game 4 Leo, but you forgot about Game 5 Tweek
I miss Sam but hey what can you do?
Sam and Nairo were apart of ultimate that I loved
Now dlc is just making the hype simmer down
really guys? It's one fucking tournament loss, don't get your panties in a twist, don't downplay the man
It felt like Leo doesn't want to be #1 anymore
:(
everyone acting like leo joker is jesus ffs.
with that said, it’s definitely still his best character, followed by byleth. Both characters have deep, deep edgeguarding abilities pm simply don’t have. Just annoyed when people say his joker can beat everything under the sun- how about diddy, sonic and pika, then?
aegis is still a viable pocket character, but he should focus on either joker or byleth.
As if that was supposed to be real statistic moving forward
Popularity can go up to someone’s head. “Top tier” doesn’t always mean “easy wins” he’s gotta put effort and calculate better or not and fall with whatever excuse he can come up with.
Omfg lmao yall switched up real quick
Leo just needs to stop forcing pythra and play a good character like *Steve*
The aegis is what was the problem
Totally agreed he has been reckless in going full Aegis on tournaments. It works on less stacked tournaments to not span his main characters but against Tweek? He had to go Byleth or Joker
Right, I really don’t like his aegis, it’s very boring to watch
He didnt catch shittweek guessed and got lucky
He should just play Marth imo, at least Marth is a cool character
He’s still the best player by far
No longer by far but he's the best
@@greedo194 he’s still the best player, BY FAR. Look at his results dude 💀
"Were we wrong about game 4 Mkleo?"
No, you were wrong about Mkleo being literally God. He's human. Put some ice on it.
If he went joker tho....
Literally
Game 4 Leo was a Joker thing, end of the conversation
MKLeo needs to go back to Joker
Yeah Leo's won a Major with Pyra/Mythra, but that character is also the one that's given him his lowest ranked losses.
Didn't he win the SWT with her? So that was probably one of the tournaments with the highest payout too. Hardly something to sneeze at when he'd barely used Pyra back then.
He lost Umbebura 2019 and got 33rd in that tournament with Joker
@@l.n.3372 He switched back to Byleth to close it out against Cosmos' Aegis
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Dude. WTF does that have to do with anything.
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He still used Pyra/Mythra in that tournament tho.
If you didnt win against game 4 leos Joker it don't count
Also Tweek is back
He lost g5 not g4
GOTTA LOVE the iceman for getting Light2nd place
wrong about pythra
the biggest hit piece in eSports history, and from last of all people hahahahaha Leo in the floor, and everyone is kicking him for some views. the bigger you are...
Aegis is doo doo. Leo just needs to stick to his tether characters.
Unpopular opinon, Leo should drop aegis... He's just not as saucy with them...
ONG
I don't think that's an unpopular opinion at all buddy
Bring back Castle Siege!
It’s funny to see all these comments from the rat boys trying to hate on Leo. He is just better guys, he is not even playing with his best characters. He just wanna have fun, while you are struggling writing here, he’s on his private island chilling, hahahah.
Snake Eater pog
But I thought aegis carried? Lmao
I guess not :)
With characters like kazuya or diddy where they can really easily gimp aegis offstage, not really. Aegis die really easily to kazuya's dp input grab
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"Tweek washed" they said.
Agreed he's not but he has to proove that he is still top 5, right now he's not
I hope he wins glitch regen, though light and sonix are really hard for him so it will be tough
wtf is this music lol
Leo pyra/mythra just isn’t practiced enough. I think he should go back to byleth or joker but if he just sticks it out with pyra/mythra he’ll be fine too. Just give it time
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