True! It's almost like the writers on the movie didn't want to make Alan Rickman's role so despicable because it's FUCKING ALAN RICKMAN YO My man's too cool to be hated.
The most out of character thing in the books was Snape saving Potter on that broom. It felt more like She-who-must-not-be-named wanted to give us a red herring that only fits the character when it's not a red herring.
@@robogamin9613How is that out of character? Snape genuinely wanted to keep Harry safe. Granted you could argue it was only because he was Lilys son, but still, theres nothing OOC about that.
Honestly there are some adults like that... They hate children but due to some kids having relation to them, they'll still save them despite having verbal claims of wanting nothing to do with them... And there are some who are opposites to that...
@@9SRR alan rickman is snapes actor. and j k rowling had a huge crush on him or whatever which led her to cast a 50 year old for the role of a 26 year old xD
He grew up with those two already admitted to St Mungo's, the trauma he sustained from that is absent parents if we ignored his grandmother. Snape is openly bullying him right then, unsurprising his greatest fear is his bully instead of his parents' torturer.
@@norasyikinali6283 Neville and Harry are the same age and Harry has basic memories of his parents being killed so it's probably safe to assume Neville has some memory of his parents being tortured. I highly doubt Bellatrix put him in a different room out of consideration.
@@ToeBeanCozy I honestly forgot about that lol. Neville has always been a more sensitive character than Harry though, so him being subjected to full scale Snape's contempt is much more traumatizing to him. Harry will curse Snape back if given the chance - he's willingly labelling the man evil the first chance he gets, but Neville will just wither if he didn't have Hermione backing him up in Potions for years. Boy knows his grandmother will never back him up if he ever reports Snape's behavior to her - this same woman allowed his uncle to throw him off the window to check if he is magical.
Movie snape: Get behind me kids i wont let you get injured! Book Snape: *unconscious through that entire scene then proceeds to call the golden trio liars and attempts to get Sirius killed*
That's always been one of my go to, "Book Snape is a d**k" examples, too. It's honestly both hilarious and sad that the mere act of not including most of Snape's scenes from the book instantly makes him a far more likeable character.
Well I love Hermione....❤❤ Like dearly but...I laughed at that part 😂...plus Hermione is a bit close minded yk well the reason she can't be a ravenclaw but anyways....I love both movie snape and bood snape like the best grey character ever ❤❤
This is just a horrible take and not true at all. He wasn't mad about Trevor, he was pissed off at Hermione. He wrote the instructions on the board and told Nevil to follow that instruction and make the potion. He also told Hermione to not help him make the potion because he needed to do it himself. Hermione ignored he professor and helped Neville anyways. That's why he was angry because as a teacher he was trying to teach Neville and Hermione sabotage the lessen even though she was doing it out of kindness.
You know, it makes me wonder how he's such a skilled wizard, because it feels like at some point with movie Snape, it'd be like: Snape: "Hamora" Wand: "...." Snape: "...." Wand: "?" Snape: *glares* Wand: "What? Oh, snap, did you mean, 'Alohamora'? Bro, you said, 'Alo' like a full ass 30 seconds before, 'Hamora' my magical vibes had already moved past that junk, my guy, work on your flow, for real!"
Litterally book snape didn't even make me shed a tear at his death I legit went "Fucking finally." Then Harry Named his son after that man. I hated the book ending so bad.
Either way you slice it, Snape is a reason Lily and James died. "I didnt know he would target HER" is not a valid excuse. Imagine someone is partially responsible for you being an orphan, and then repeatedly tries to get you expelled from school and wrongfully punishes you for 6 years and your response is to name your kid after him. If he was still alive he'd probably be bullying Harrys kids as well. James would come in on his first day of Hogwarts and Snape would take 500 points from gryffindor "for breathing".
And in third year Dumbledore gaslights Harry saying that Snape is a good guy because he didn’t tamper with Lupin’s wolfsbane potion. Um, sir, not poisoning people is _less_ than the bare minimum!
Yeah, but Snape wasn’t tampering with Lupin’s potion. I don’t think Snape hated Lupin as much as did James, Sirius and Peter, because Lupin never joined in the bullying, although I’m sure he disliked him by association, especially since he got the job he wanted as well. With what you are saying, you could also imply that Lupin also gaslit Harry into believing Snape was a good guy, as he praised Snape as a good potions maker and wouldn’t harm him in the same book. Even into other books, Lupin never said a bad word about Snape, didn’t even hold a grudge against him when Snape “accidentally” told the Slytherins that he was a werewolf.
I think there are two issues at the core. One is that the bar is unbelievably low already since Harry fully believes Snape is an undercover death eater. The revelation that Snape (or any slytheryn ) could not be evil for 5 seconds blew his little mind. The other is that Harry quickly makes assumptions based on house and background in order to be judgmental even though so many of the evils in the series were not exclusive to slytheryn. Plus Harry constantly doing his best to sabotage anything Snape does probably gets in the way of Snape helping Dumbledore, (professor quirrel in book one was being stoped by Snape, but everyone kept on getting in Snape’s way)so it had to be stopped at least slightly.
@@MurasakiTsukimaru As told from the biased pov of a person that hated Slytherin with a sample size of 3, that turned out to be completely wrong about the most slithery Slytherin that could ever slither in his year for seven years straight up to and including the idea that Malfoy was ever death eater material, that would have been a Slytherin if he hadn’t ran into Ron accomplishing what Malfoy was going to do, who was absolutely a little shit that thought the rules didn’t apply to him if you shift the perspective to somebody in charge of ensuring Harry doesn’t get himself killed. (Not hating, it’s just a statement of fact. The various adults claiming that about him were wrong about when/how/why he was doing so, but still accidentally managed to be right on the mark.)
I mean - I can imagine that her parents thought that the sort of braces kids wore in the Eighties were to dangerous at hogwarts, because they would know what happened in the first years. Maybe at that time she could also still had like one or two baby teeth (First and second year ) so that wasn't the time for braces. And in the end they decided it would be safer to get her teeth fixed when she finished school. Oh and Draco - please greet your parents from me. While Narzissa and I were never really good with each other - your dad was nice sometimes
i would also love to see a movie draco vs book draco video cause BOY another terrible person extremely romanticized by the fandom because of the charm of the actor
Honestly, book Draco is sooo one dimensional cartoon character, that giving him at least good looks is wise choice in my opinion... the boy gets some drama angle only in the sixth book, and before that...?
completely agree. i think the greateast charachter development he has is actually in the cursed child. one of the things i really enjoyed about the play.
@Sara Andreoli, it wasn't written by JKR right? A relief. I didn't like it at all. Like it override everything in the original books. One incident is because Ron didn't have one single moment of jealousy in the ball, so he end up loving another person. Their romance was brewing from like book one to book six. Is that really love if one single moment can deter you from your destine person whom your falling love with from childhood? Is it so cheap?
Snape also had an insane bias towards slitheryn, anyone remembers that some time a slitheryn used a spell on a gryfindor quiddich player in front of 14 witnesses and Snape kinda refused to listen?
iirc it was due to growing tension about the upcoming gryffindor vs slytherin quidditch finals. They hexed one of the gryffindor chasers. Wood assigned bodyguards to all the players after that incident
Movie Snape: tragic and entertaining antagonist with a redemption arc Book Snape: creepy miserable greasy kid who can't let go of his high school crush so he picks of her kid for funsies
Not funsies, Snape may be an ass but his behavior wasn’t funsies. Harry tends to automatically assume all slytheryns are death eaters and hate Malloy. Snape simply picked up on the behavior he experienced at Hogwarts as a child and figured that Harry was going to be the same absolute shit his dad was. He openly said that repeatedly in the series. We just assumed it was slythern bias the whole time when it was his perception that griffindor was undoubtedly bullying slytherns anytime he wasn’t looking. As for Neville, he was essentially next gen pettigrew. It was still wrong, but we can at least realize that behavior came from a hatred of Pettigrew and himself instead of being evil for the sake of it.
@@Khajitxi Harry hated Malfoy because he was an ass to Ron one minute into his introduction. Snape just looked at him and ASSUMED he was gonna be like James knowing nothing about him as a person. So yeah, he, a teacher, hated AN 11 YEARS OLD CHILD not "for funsies" but for misplaced revenge onto a long dead man. And Neville didn't deserve any of it he wasn't even close to the trio to be considered "the fourth one".
@@Khajitxi we're not talking about omniscience, we're talking about not making children's life a living hell because of your own unresolved issues. Snape didn't pick up on tendencies or whatnot, he was projecting so hard he could've opened a cinema.
Book Snape be like: "Oh, did you want a day of peace today, Longbottom? Well, I wanted to swish and flick all up in Potter's mom's chamber of secrets, so it looks like NEITHER OF US ARE GETTING WHAT WE WANT TODAY, ARE WE?!"
You're so right! Many of Snape stans are quite persuaded that Snape would have changed idea about Harry if he had seen how his life with the Dursleys was. Too bad he has, in fact, seen everything during their Occlumency lessons. He has seen Harry being bullied when he was a child, and he was amused.
exactly! I don't get why book-Snape stans think that Snape's bullying was ok because someone bullied him like 20 years ago in school. he knew about Harry's life with the Dursleys and didn't care. "and whose dog was that?" (that chased Harry into a tree and made him stay there) "...my aunt Marge's"
@@manofhonor1685 well to be fair, Hermione DID say she was begging her parents to let her change her teeth with magic for ages but they wanted her to wear braces instead (since they are dentist, you get *awkward finger guns*), so it was not Snape who put that idea in her head... Tho I imagine it was the last nail in the coffin 😅😅
@@arona6692 i meant permanent emotional damage by being an adult and a teacher (someone she should be able to trust) and bullying/ridiculing her in front of the whole class
Whenever they had classes with Snape in the books, I was ALWAYS fuming at how he targeted Neville so much, since he knew that Neville was terrified of him. He loved watching the poor guy screw up to punish him, and didn’t allow anyone to help (mainly Hermione because she was enraged as well). Like that time with the potion that caused boils (I think?) to erupt on the skin. Then every time he finished bullying Neville, he praised Draco, making it a huge scene that Slytherin was the superior house. Book Snape was an asshole and no one can convince me otherwise 😭
Book Snape was an absolute sadist. Any Snape-fans/apologists I've come across clearly never ever read the books because the movies did not accurately portray him at all. At ALL.
@@Elysion404 Completely agree. In the books, he didn’t care if James or Harry died. He was selfish enough to ask for Lily to be kept alive for himself, which is just a disturbing and gross thing. In a way, he wanted to own Lily because he was completely obsessed… Hated how he treated everyone in the books, as if he was entitled
@@PoppyUr One million percent. I'd go as far as to say he didn't love Lily at all. He just loved the idea of her, there's no way she would have wanted to be with him and their values and views were so fundamentally different, there's literally no way he actually loved her. He was obsessed and felt entitled to her, and that's not love.
@@Elysion404 that's what I think too. If he really loved lily he would have tried to change from the evil path he was going down and just tried to be a better person in general. Instead he just insulted her when she tried to help him and made excuses for his bad decisions. I also went through the "Snape is an underrated hero" phase before realizing he's just selfish. Even when he does something good it's just for a selfish reason, like protecting Harry is just cause he couldn't have lily, and he still treats Harry like garbage. Not to mention the fact that he bullies literal children as a 30(?) something year old man. As I've gotten older and read the books more I can't believe that Dumbledore thought that was ok. Although to be fair Dumbledore is also the person who would rather let a bunch of KIDS take on monsters and evil magicians for the sake of their own character development than take care of the problems himself. I love Harry Potter but I could go on a whole rant about everything wrong with it
@@mckinleymontague2699 You and me both. I've read the books maybe... Twenty times each? They're my go-to reading material every summer and fall, and I know them pretty much by heart at this point. I love them dearly, but they aren't perfect. And that's also why it bothers me so much when people portray Snape as a tragic, misunderstood victim because the movies literally just showed you three seconds of James being an asshole and that's pretty much it. Movie-Snape comes across as a charismatic, snarky, grumpy but still likeable character, and you see him being protective of the golden trio more than once, so people who haven't read the books think that's how he is canonically. Book-Snape is a sadistic, selfish, classist, unapologetically cruel bully towards literal eleven year-olds who had NOTHING to do with the way he grew up, they're basically toddlers! Yet he torments them, smirks at their misery, revels in bullying them (the way he treated Hermione and Neville was straight up abusive), and he basically told Voldemort that he didn't care about him killing Harry and James as long as he left Lily alone. He fully believes in purebloods and the Wizarding world's equivalent of Nazi rhetoric, he joined the Deatheaters of his own volition, he invented torture curses for FUN... He is NOT a hero.
I think unforgivable curse doesn't need much learning. When in Order of the Phoenix Harry tried to Crucio Bella it isn't because of the wand movement or pronunciation he didn't succeed, it's because he didn't want to see her suffer enough. And I doubt that Harry Potter can learn wand movement and pronunciation after one lesson with fake Moody and some battles. So yeah, unforgivable curses, from what we see, don't need learning. Just the wish to cause pain/kill/control other person.
My theory is that after lily died book Snape became just a borderline alcoholic and sold the alcohol off as one of his potions when he's being asked about it 😂
Yk I think my favorite Snape moment that made me burst out laughing was in the Order of the Phoenix during Harry’s Occulmency lesson and Snape saw Harry kissing Cho and in the background he says, “I might vomit”😭
When you're right, you're right. Book Snape had his moments, high points and low points, but Movie Snape definitely had a lot more redeeming qualities.
i mean, there’s also just the fact that movie snape was *alan god-damned rickman.* asking someone to hate him is like asking someone to hate the cool-sassy-uncle version of keanu reeves. he brings too much charm to whatever role he’s in, absolutely gives it his all, and gives you a sort of antihero to root for. tldr lol, to put it in the WISE wise words of zangief in wreck-it ralph: “And I say- ‘Zangief! You are BadGuy. But this does not mean you are ‘bad guy’.’ “
Even with the backstory, which in typical fashion with all the books, was tacked on and rushed in order to keep the central focus on Harry - there's still such a huge gap between the Snape as presented across all of the books, and being worthy of Harry naming one of his children after him. Especially when he's not naming kids after Hagrid or Lupin.
Yes! I am currently rereading the books and couldnt help but think this. Snape was not evil as in wanting to commit genocide anymore but he was not baby naming worthy. He was guilted into his acts, and i wonder if there was an unbreable vow involved. I never fell for the narrative snape was evil and siding with voldemort, from the very first book and repeatedly after that it was always a misunderstanding and never snape, but the way he treated his students!!!! Hes a total D. Unless that was a carefully planned ruse by dumbledore and snape so if voldy ever came back snapes behaviour could make him appear a good spy and boom triple agent.
@@miche6563 I get the sentiment, but it's just not earned. But that's also the inherent problem with 99% of the story just being focused on Harry. The _only_ time they deviate this and focus on something that Harry doesn't witness firsthand (or view telepathically) is Narcissa and Bellatrix going to Snape's home and doing the unbreakable bond. And the shortcoming of that is, when stuff needs to be explained, it becomes this absurd info dump. Barty Crouch sitting in Moody's office spewing exposition about every minor plot point that got him there, so Harry can hear it, in order to justify the reader knowing about it. All the backstory with Dumbledore in Deathly Hollows, Harry reads a book within the book... 🤦♂ And then a bunch of characters get shafted with so many things happening off page - Lupin and Tonks, the revival of Dumbledore's Army at the school. Like, she had to contrive people casually sitting around talking about Neville and Ginny trying to steal the sword and getting into trouble, so Harry could overhear it... Snape's story could have been given _a lot_ of nuance to make the ultimate ending work; but it's still working against a lot of just petty bs that's difficult to justify no matter the circumstances. He may not have necessarily _endorsed_ outright racism within his house, but he sanctioned it, turned a blind eye to it.
I think the only proof needed to showcase how terrible and abusive Snape was, no matter what rebuttal sometime tries to make, is the fact that a 13 year oldest greatest fear was Snape himself. His parents were literally tortured to insanity by Bellatrix and yet Neville feared his potion teacher.
I got in an argument with someone just last week over Snape. This man was insisting he was really a good guy, only acted mean to play a part, and that he truly loved Lily and Harry. Of course, it turned out that he’s only seen the movies and read the first book.
My one complaint is that snape wouldn't go for physical appearance when he was roasting. It was to easy. No, he would go for the real low blows. He would cut down your ego, insult your intelligence, and find a way to watch you squirm. Snape was a real bastard. He delighted in the pain of others. The only reason he betrayed Voldemort was when Lily got involved. His obsession for her was the only thing stronger than his hate for James.
Like I said before, Movie-Snape made sense because he was bitter and sarcastic. Book-Snape was just plain petty and even evil at times, to the point where even Voldemort would be hard-pressed to believe Dumbledore would have fallen for his undercover agent act.
Plus his bullying in the movies was usually funny or even justified like Harry and Ron either talking through class or when Ron laughed at Snape when Umbridge left and he swatted at him with a book. DOn't hit your students but I laughed.
Book Snape delighted in causing suffering to his non-Slytherin students so much it's genuinely hard to accept that he ever had positive intentions. Movie Snape gains enough positive scenes and loses enough negative scenes in translation to make that possibility believeable. Add in the fact that Alan Rickman sneers and smirks far less than his character did in the book and you've someone who is potentially likeable, a teacher who is more readily described as "very strict."
One scene I’ll never forget in the book was when Hermione got hit by a spell that caused her teeth to grow larger and larger and when Snape saw it he was like: “I don’t see how this is my problem to fix” essentially
I wouldn't be surprised if in one moment, Snape called Harry "James", because in his head, Harry and James are basically the same person, and thought that Harry had to "pay" for his father's sins in the past
And not, you know, turning on Voldemort, and therefore allowing the series of events that resulted in his demise. Not killing his only friend in the world so that Draco wouldn’t become a murderer at the age of 16. Not doing his best to run interference between the Death Eaters and students during his year as Headmaster while keeping his cover AND having all his colleagues hate on him from the middle distance. Not sacrificing himself to take down Lily’s murderer. No, none of those come close to redeeming acts. Instead a childish overcompensation during a duel with an obviously underperforming opponent. That was the closest he got.
@@StarWarsomaniaSnape willingly joined the death eaters. He was part of Voldemorts inner circle, so image all the horrible things he had to do to get there. The only reason he changed sides was because Lily was going to die, not because he had a change of heart. He was still prejudiced towards muggleborns. If the prophecy didn't exist he would still be with the death eaters. He didn't do all those good things as a form of redemption, he did it out of guilt. So, he was definitely not redeemed. Also I'm pretty sure the other person meant it as a joke.
hi@@StarWarsomania I'm writing this part here after I've finished the rest of this post to say sorry if this comes off as a bit aggressive, if you got any other point you'd like to make for you case I'm willing to hear them out. So without any further ado here's my rebuttal to the points that you've made. (again sorry I started this post like 2ish hours ago and it's currently 2:15 AM and I'm too tired to edit this to be less aggressive.) No you right, how truly noble of Snape to turn on Voldemort after begging him to spare Lily's (and only Lily's) life only to then go and immediately make the same plea to Dumbledore to save Lily's (again I reiterate ONLY LILY'S) life. A plea that makes snape essentially give up his mind body and soul over to Dumbledore so that he can use it as he pleases in exchange for the Potter's protection. A plea that wasn't even necessary seeing that Dumbledore was already going to put the potters under the Fidelius charm. And while where on the topic of Dumbledor and snape why don't we go over some of the highlight of their friendship in the books like; 1. the time Dumbledore in front of the whole school choose to give a collective 160 points to Gryffindor practically shoving Slytherin out of first place even though we know that he could have done this at anytime. 2. Dumbledore choose a complete idiot, one of Snapes former classmate that choose to completely ignore the fact that he was being bullied, an ex Auror who believes that once a death eater always a death eater, and Umbridge (enough said) to be the DADA professors over Snape 3 making fun of snape during the 3rd books Christmas dinner by reminding of the events that had happen in Lupin's boggart class with Neville. 4. Dumbledore telling snape to kill him. 5. Dumbledore letting Snape teach the DADA knowing that it's cursed. Truly this is a friendship worth striving for
oh but what about those students that Snape has been protecting during book 7, you know, the same students that are being forced to use the unforgivable curses on first years, the same students that are in hiding from the death eaters that Snape let in, and the very same students that he has been bullying since the very start of the books for valid reason to the point that some see him as their worst fear. Any good redeeming thing that you say Snape's done has been nothing more than Snape being a petty, selfish, self-destructive man who's only reason for helping the good guys is because the girl he's cared for since he was 12 was in immediate danger.
To be fair in both versions snape joined the death eaters knowing fully well they wanted to get rid of all mud bloods including his crush, only to be surprised to learn that voldemort wanted his crush dead. 😅
I was kinda surprised how I liked movie Snape, considering the fact that I absolutely hated him in the books. Alan Rickman was really great for this role, because he added a little softnes to this character. Book Snape was just a teenager stuck in 40 years old body. I have no compassion and respect for an adult, who bullies 11 year olds and no amount of sad memories can make me feel bad for him, hell no.
the movies portrayed Snape's love of Lily really different than the books did too imo. Of course movie fans find it romantic. But in the books he basically thought since she was muggle born she should HAVE to do what he said and that it was a huge slight that another pureblood (James) TOOK her from him
One of my English teachers was like this. He had an allergy to soap and didn't care to find a supplicant, thus he stunk horribly, because he just tried to overpower his smell with deodorant which only made things worse. Then he liked to spit in his hand and run through his hair with it. It was long curly and grimy. It felt like he never showered. And in addition to that he was allergic to wasp stings and feared any little bug. So in the summer time, he forbid to open the windows and his stink got so bad i can't describe. Oh and i didn't tell you that he spat while speaking, had a habit to steal pencils and bully students. Yee one of the teachers of all time.
I think some people don't take Snape's bullying of some students too seriously because it is "just fiction". I usually try to make them look at it from that perspective: Imagine a situation like that in real life - a teacher threatening to poison a 13-year-old's pet or openly, in front of everyone, including students bullying her, mocking a 14-year-old's looks. It's f*cking disgusting.
the hilarious thing is that every snape apologist seems to highlight snape's years of being a bully victim and then proceed to go honk honk shoo mimimi when there's a discussion of him being the bully himself to literal school children 🤨😒🙄
Can we appreciate how after failing to poison nevil’s toad in 3rd year snape took it to the next level in 4th year and decided he is poisoning one of the students(harry) to test their antidote I don’t know about likable but snape was definitely iconic😭
I wonder if it was because of the whole "it should have been you" that Snape was so bad towards Neville. Cause if voldy chose Neville, Lilly would have lived. Or at least that could have been his thoughts...
Book Snape was an abusive tyrant who relished in his power to inflict pain on his non-slytherin students. Movie Snape was a mean teacher with Slytherin favoritism.
The fact that Snape regularly bullied not one, but TWO kids who were orphans (including Neville here, because for all effects his parents were gone) never allowed me to see him has anything but evil.
I love these book vs movies not only because they are funny as hell but because the discussion causes way more depth and thought into their characterization than jkr ever put lbr
Alan Rickman was told Snape's entire history by JK Rowling when the first movie started filming, so he was able to adjust the character to be way less of a bastard.
But I could relate to Book Snape at times; he writes down the recipes in detail and tells everyone that they have to read them carefully. Harry just doesn't read it and screws it up almost every time. Snape sits there every day with a bunch of students, most of whom have no interest in his subject, don't pay attention and then he has to clean up their mess. And if someone has to say "read carefully, pay close attention" every day and people just don't do it, then maybe you can understand why someone would be bitter after 10 years of teaching... 😅 (of course he often went too far, but I often thought to myself, Harry, just pay attention!) 😅
I love me some book Snape, but I can acknowledge that he is such a petty bully especially to poor Neville. But yeah, if I had to hang with book Snape or movie Snape, I am definitely hanging out with movie Snape because as you said he is mean in an endearing way and he has some amazing sass.
The age difference is also super funny. It's one thing to think of this old, bitter man, we've all had that one cranky old teacher you kinda love to hate, but a guy in his thirties? Just full-on bullying and terrorizing kids in class? Instantly more off-putting.
I always think about the fact that he was Neville's greatest fear in year 3. Neville, the boy who grew up visiting parents who had been tortured to insanity when he was a baby. His greatest fear was one of his teachers. I refuse to have any sympathy for a grown ass man who can bully children that badly. Idc how sad his backstory is and idc how much good he did in secret. If you take your anger at the world out on children (especially a child you know has had such a hard life) you don't deserve the air you breathe.
As fantastic an actor as Alan Rickman was, the character he played in the Harry Potter movies was not Snape, even if he borrowed the name. The two really have nothing other than that in common.
Watching your scenes from the books that should have been in the movies series made me realize I don't remember much from the books, but I do remember wanting Snape dead when I was reading the books back in school lol.
Alan played the character in JK rowlings image and I think it's dependent on how you read the book. The difference is that when an actor is playing a character they add the tone for you in the way they speak and act whereas when you read you have to add it yourself if you read the books imaging the charecter to be like snape in the movies then you get get pretty much the same character
Book Snape: oh poor Neville, he needs Hermione’s help to let his toad to live! AND 10 POINTS FROM GRYFFINDOR BECAUSE MS GRANGER SAVED THE TOAD Trevor: 👁️👄👁️
Snape bullying neville is so accurate
he was SO mean to Neville specifically and I hate him for it 😭😭
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Movie Snape secret is no one could hate Alan Rickman. He had a charisma! He made Snape so cool, mysterious. Book Snape has only one + in karma
R.I.P Alan Rickman ❤❤
True! It's almost like the writers on the movie didn't want to make Alan Rickman's role so despicable because it's FUCKING ALAN RICKMAN YO My man's too cool to be hated.
@@andusz5518also Rickman complained he didn't like movie one Snape and he even he was watered down
Charisma?? Or karma? Because one is a DnD reference, while the other is nonsense 😅
@@luxiolooma D&D did not invent the concept of charisma
Movie Snape: I was protecting you Potter….all…along….
Book Snape: *_I hate children_*
The most out of character thing in the books was Snape saving Potter on that broom. It felt more like She-who-must-not-be-named wanted to give us a red herring that only fits the character when it's not a red herring.
@@robogamin9613How is that out of character? Snape genuinely wanted to keep Harry safe. Granted you could argue it was only because he was Lilys son, but still, theres nothing OOC about that.
Honestly there are some adults like that... They hate children but due to some kids having relation to them, they'll still save them despite having verbal claims of wanting nothing to do with them... And there are some who are opposites to that...
@@robogamin9613jk Rowling is amazing
And yet he works at a school
Movie snape: cool , calm, collected.
Book snape: has literal child-like jumping tantrum when he failed to get Harry expelled in book 3
well, he was one of the youngest professors ever. we just dont see that in the movie because jkr had an alan rickman fetish.
@@CUATROMORCEshe had a what 😨😨
@@9SRR alan rickman is snapes actor. and j k rowling had a huge crush on him or whatever which led her to cast a 50 year old for the role of a 26 year old xD
my headcanon is still that snape refused to use hair products because that’s what made James’s dad rich
That’s the best one yet
Oh damn, that's great 😂
They already had money before then it just made them more. Harrys ancestors also created pepperup potion and skelegrow.
😂😂😂
Are we sure Potters weren't Asian?! I'm seeing chemists and healers who all raise the bar higher than required
Neville's parents were literally tortured into madness and his deepest darkest fear was Snape
Omfg lol I never thought of those two facts at the same time. That's actually so wild I don't know how to convey
He grew up with those two already admitted to St Mungo's, the trauma he sustained from that is absent parents if we ignored his grandmother. Snape is openly bullying him right then, unsurprising his greatest fear is his bully instead of his parents' torturer.
@@norasyikinali6283 Neville and Harry are the same age and Harry has basic memories of his parents being killed so it's probably safe to assume Neville has some memory of his parents being tortured. I highly doubt Bellatrix put him in a different room out of consideration.
@@ToeBeanCozy shhh don't scare the people with actual facts, only dumb tumblr discourse that makes no sense is allowed in this fandom 🌻
@@ToeBeanCozy I honestly forgot about that lol. Neville has always been a more sensitive character than Harry though, so him being subjected to full scale Snape's contempt is much more traumatizing to him. Harry will curse Snape back if given the chance - he's willingly labelling the man evil the first chance he gets, but Neville will just wither if he didn't have Hermione backing him up in Potions for years. Boy knows his grandmother will never back him up if he ever reports Snape's behavior to her - this same woman allowed his uncle to throw him off the window to check if he is magical.
Movie snape: Get behind me kids i wont let you get injured!
Book Snape: *unconscious through that entire scene then proceeds to call the golden trio liars and attempts to get Sirius killed*
LOL I would’ve LOVED to see unconscious Snape floating through the air. We were denied such a juicy scene 🥸
You also forget how he saved them before that
@@DezMarivetteI would have love snape roasting sirius in grimmauld's place
Worse than killed, but yeah.
@@MayankaPriyadarshani-zj8bdhe doesn't save anybody, what are you talking about? I want direct quotes or you're a liar until death
As a book Stan, I love this!! The scene with Hermione crying about the teeth jinx and he says "I see no difference" 🤬🤬
Omg right?!?! The brutality of one sentence, poor Hermione 😂😭😂😭
That's always been one of my go to, "Book Snape is a d**k" examples, too. It's honestly both hilarious and sad that the mere act of not including most of Snape's scenes from the book instantly makes him a far more likeable character.
Lmao yess
Well I love Hermione....❤❤ Like dearly but...I laughed at that part 😂...plus Hermione is a bit close minded yk well the reason she can't be a ravenclaw but anyways....I love both movie snape and bood snape like the best grey character ever ❤❤
@@aaryabhatt9195 ....so bcoz you are a bit close minded you deserve to be brutally bullied by your teachers?
Alan Rickman can easily make any character ten times more lovable and that’s a hill I will die on
Book Snape threw a tantrum when Neville’s toad didn’t die from his potion. You have to be a special kind of person to want some kid’s pet dead lol.
Realy i red that part ( translated in my own language) and it was like he was just disappointed
This is just a horrible take and not true at all. He wasn't mad about Trevor, he was pissed off at Hermione. He wrote the instructions on the board and told Nevil to follow that instruction and make the potion. He also told Hermione to not help him make the potion because he needed to do it himself. Hermione ignored he professor and helped Neville anyways. That's why he was angry because as a teacher he was trying to teach Neville and Hermione sabotage the lessen even though she was doing it out of kindness.
Snape: Quickly…..children…..get……behind…….me………
Harry: We’re already fucking dead:
You know, it makes me wonder how he's such a skilled wizard, because it feels like at some point with movie Snape, it'd be like:
Snape: "Hamora"
Wand: "...."
Snape: "...."
Wand: "?"
Snape: *glares*
Wand: "What? Oh, snap, did you mean, 'Alohamora'? Bro, you said, 'Alo' like a full ass 30 seconds before, 'Hamora' my magical vibes had already moved past that junk, my guy, work on your flow, for real!"
@@Jordan-vc4cn omg 😂 lmao
@@broccoli1683 bro your fuckin name
@@Jordan-vc4cn PLEASE THAT'S SO ACCURATE 💀
I fucking love this community😂
Once Lily touched Snape's hair and now he never washes it-
Oh God you might be right
Oh my god I love this comment 😂
😂
So underrated
Edit: I did explain for people who don’t get it but someone told me I was ‘that annoying kid who ruins the joke’ sooo..
I don’t want more of that
lol snape bullying neville and hermione is so on point 😂
It literally says in the books that when snape found out Neville’s biggest fear was him; HE BULLIED HIM EVEN MORE
Litterally book snape didn't even make me shed a tear at his death I legit went "Fucking finally."
Then Harry Named his son after that man. I hated the book ending so bad.
@@AlexYeo9825 ikrrrr -_-
@@unchartedraider7547 eew
@@AlexYeo9825 maybe to make him face his fear especially as a gryffindor lol
Either way you slice it, Snape is a reason Lily and James died. "I didnt know he would target HER" is not a valid excuse. Imagine someone is partially responsible for you being an orphan, and then repeatedly tries to get you expelled from school and wrongfully punishes you for 6 years and your response is to name your kid after him. If he was still alive he'd probably be bullying Harrys kids as well. James would come in on his first day of Hogwarts and Snape would take 500 points from gryffindor "for breathing".
He was jealous because james was from a noble pure blood rich ass family and snape literally lived in a slum
Welcome to Potions class kids, Lily Evans didn't support my genocidal tendencies twenty years ago and guess who's gonna pay for it today
Gryffindors: Us
@@KairiGreen-ri2gm that is correct, twenty points from Gryffindor. Shut up Granger, my classroom, my rules
Harry: Me
NEVILLE!
Neville: "Why is it always me"
And in third year Dumbledore gaslights Harry saying that Snape is a good guy because he didn’t tamper with Lupin’s wolfsbane potion. Um, sir, not poisoning people is _less_ than the bare minimum!
It's Dumbledore, what can we expect? And the dumbass believes that and names his kid after him
Yeah, but Snape wasn’t tampering with Lupin’s potion. I don’t think Snape hated Lupin as much as did James, Sirius and Peter, because Lupin never joined in the bullying, although I’m sure he disliked him by association, especially since he got the job he wanted as well. With what you are saying, you could also imply that Lupin also gaslit Harry into believing Snape was a good guy, as he praised Snape as a good potions maker and wouldn’t harm him in the same book. Even into other books, Lupin never said a bad word about Snape, didn’t even hold a grudge against him when Snape “accidentally” told the Slytherins that he was a werewolf.
I think there are two issues at the core. One is that the bar is unbelievably low already since Harry fully believes Snape is an undercover death eater. The revelation that Snape (or any slytheryn ) could not be evil for 5 seconds blew his little mind.
The other is that Harry quickly makes assumptions based on house and background in order to be judgmental even though so many of the evils in the series were not exclusive to slytheryn.
Plus Harry constantly doing his best to sabotage anything Snape does probably gets in the way of Snape helping Dumbledore, (professor quirrel in book one was being stoped by Snape, but everyone kept on getting in Snape’s way)so it had to be stopped at least slightly.
@@Khajitxi Given every Slytherin he met was an evil little shit, yes that would be surprising.
@@MurasakiTsukimaru As told from the biased pov of a person that hated Slytherin with a sample size of 3, that turned out to be completely wrong about the most slithery Slytherin that could ever slither in his year for seven years straight up to and including the idea that Malfoy was ever death eater material, that would have been a Slytherin if he hadn’t ran into Ron accomplishing what Malfoy was going to do, who was absolutely a little shit that thought the rules didn’t apply to him if you shift the perspective to somebody in charge of ensuring Harry doesn’t get himself killed. (Not hating, it’s just a statement of fact. The various adults claiming that about him were wrong about when/how/why he was doing so, but still accidentally managed to be right on the mark.)
Not the fact that BOTH of Hermione’s parents are literally dentists
Edit: omg thank you guys so much for all the likes🤯🤯
You're right copy of me
MALFOY??!!
Oh my god I am meeting two Malfoys in one day....😂❤💚
I mean - I can imagine that her parents thought that the sort of braces kids wore in the Eighties were to dangerous at hogwarts, because they would know what happened in the first years. Maybe at that time she could also still had like one or two baby teeth (First and second year ) so that wasn't the time for braces.
And in the end they decided it would be safer to get her teeth fixed when she finished school.
Oh and Draco - please greet your parents from me. While Narzissa and I were never really good with each other - your dad was nice sometimes
@@KaliqueClawthorne oh my god I am getting a headache now 😂🤣❤️💚
i would also love to see a movie draco vs book draco video cause BOY another terrible person extremely romanticized by the fandom because of the charm of the actor
Honestly, book Draco is sooo one dimensional cartoon character, that giving him at least good looks is wise choice in my opinion... the boy gets some drama angle only in the sixth book, and before that...?
completely agree. i think the greateast charachter development he has is actually in the cursed child. one of the things i really enjoyed about the play.
@Sara Andreoli, it wasn't written by JKR right? A relief. I didn't like it at all. Like it override everything in the original books. One incident is because Ron didn't have one single moment of jealousy in the ball, so he end up loving another person. Their romance was brewing from like book one to book six. Is that really love if one single moment can deter you from your destine person whom your falling love with from childhood? Is it so cheap?
@@TheMagicAround exactly
@@Razia10376 i dont undertand whatyou said. please could you explain the thing with Ron?
movie:
Snape: get behind me, children
book:
Snape: kill them, I'll go get some popcorn
Movie Snape : I WOULD DIE TO PROTECT THESE KIDS-
Book Snape : I. WILL. BURN AND POISON YOUR FKIN TOAD-
Snape also had an insane bias towards slitheryn, anyone remembers that some time a slitheryn used a spell on a gryfindor quiddich player in front of 14 witnesses and Snape kinda refused to listen?
He insisted she did it to herself, yeah. No punishment.
iirc it was due to growing tension about the upcoming gryffindor vs slytherin quidditch finals. They hexed one of the gryffindor chasers. Wood assigned bodyguards to all the players after that incident
@@nickthephoenix8494 yeah
@Nick the Phoenix yeah Snape and mcgonagall were Quidditch FIENDS
To be fair everyone is always biased towards Gryffondor so someone had to be for Slytherin
Movie Snape: tragic and entertaining antagonist with a redemption arc
Book Snape: creepy miserable greasy kid who can't let go of his high school crush so he picks of her kid for funsies
Literally this.
Not funsies, Snape may be an ass but his behavior wasn’t funsies. Harry tends to automatically assume all slytheryns are death eaters and hate Malloy. Snape simply picked up on the behavior he experienced at Hogwarts as a child and figured that Harry was going to be the same absolute shit his dad was. He openly said that repeatedly in the series. We just assumed it was slythern bias the whole time when it was his perception that griffindor was undoubtedly bullying slytherns anytime he wasn’t looking.
As for Neville, he was essentially next gen pettigrew. It was still wrong, but we can at least realize that behavior came from a hatred of Pettigrew and himself instead of being evil for the sake of it.
@@Khajitxi Harry hated Malfoy because he was an ass to Ron one minute into his introduction. Snape just looked at him and ASSUMED he was gonna be like James knowing nothing about him as a person. So yeah, he, a teacher, hated AN 11 YEARS OLD CHILD not "for funsies" but for misplaced revenge onto a long dead man. And Neville didn't deserve any of it he wasn't even close to the trio to be considered "the fourth one".
@@sadshlyapa yes. That’s the point. Snape does not have omniscience.
@@Khajitxi we're not talking about omniscience, we're talking about not making children's life a living hell because of your own unresolved issues. Snape didn't pick up on tendencies or whatnot, he was projecting so hard he could've opened a cinema.
Book Snape be like: "Oh, did you want a day of peace today, Longbottom? Well, I wanted to swish and flick all up in Potter's mom's chamber of secrets, so it looks like NEITHER OF US ARE GETTING WHAT WE WANT TODAY, ARE WE?!"
Well snape you killed her so can't do that....
Omg😂
Eww 😂
💀💀💀💀my faith in humanity fades away
PERFECT LMAOO
Movie snape: Quickly children get behind me
Book Snape: 😴😴😴
You're so right! Many of Snape stans are quite persuaded that Snape would have changed idea about Harry if he had seen how his life with the Dursleys was. Too bad he has, in fact, seen everything during their Occlumency lessons. He has seen Harry being bullied when he was a child, and he was amused.
exactly! I don't get why book-Snape stans think that Snape's bullying was ok because someone bullied him like 20 years ago in school. he knew about Harry's life with the Dursleys and didn't care.
"and whose dog was that?" (that chased Harry into a tree and made him stay there)
"...my aunt Marge's"
It’s quite possible he was on his way of doing that but then Harry decided to swan dive into his worse memories for no reason😂
Don't forget about the fallout between Lily and Snape because Snape used the M-word while Lily called him out for being with the OG Death Eaters.
Mnigger or Mrape word, I dont get the context
@@Mejayy mudblood
Mud blood or dirty blood witch because her parents were muggles. Funny since her ancestors were magic
Plus the previous build up where he was just terrible with muggle borns in general
Are we censoring fictional slurs now?!
And then she changed her teeth ✨permenantly✨
Wow. Never thought of that way he did permanent damage to her.
@@manofhonor1685 well to be fair, Hermione DID say she was begging her parents to let her change her teeth with magic for ages but they wanted her to wear braces instead (since they are dentist, you get *awkward finger guns*), so it was not Snape who put that idea in her head... Tho I imagine it was the last nail in the coffin 😅😅
@@manofhonor1685 Snape didn't cast the spell to grow her teeth, crabbe (or goyle) did. Snape did say he saw "no difference" tho, bastard
@@arona6692 i meant permanent emotional damage by being an adult and a teacher (someone she should be able to trust) and bullying/ridiculing her in front of the whole class
@@arona6692 Malfoy.
And yes, her teeth were "Growing past her collar" when he said that
Whenever they had classes with Snape in the books, I was ALWAYS fuming at how he targeted Neville so much, since he knew that Neville was terrified of him. He loved watching the poor guy screw up to punish him, and didn’t allow anyone to help (mainly Hermione because she was enraged as well). Like that time with the potion that caused boils (I think?) to erupt on the skin. Then every time he finished bullying Neville, he praised Draco, making it a huge scene that Slytherin was the superior house. Book Snape was an asshole and no one can convince me otherwise 😭
Book Snape was an absolute sadist. Any Snape-fans/apologists I've come across clearly never ever read the books because the movies did not accurately portray him at all. At ALL.
@@Elysion404 Completely agree. In the books, he didn’t care if James or Harry died. He was selfish enough to ask for Lily to be kept alive for himself, which is just a disturbing and gross thing. In a way, he wanted to own Lily because he was completely obsessed… Hated how he treated everyone in the books, as if he was entitled
@@PoppyUr One million percent. I'd go as far as to say he didn't love Lily at all. He just loved the idea of her, there's no way she would have wanted to be with him and their values and views were so fundamentally different, there's literally no way he actually loved her. He was obsessed and felt entitled to her, and that's not love.
@@Elysion404 that's what I think too. If he really loved lily he would have tried to change from the evil path he was going down and just tried to be a better person in general. Instead he just insulted her when she tried to help him and made excuses for his bad decisions. I also went through the "Snape is an underrated hero" phase before realizing he's just selfish. Even when he does something good it's just for a selfish reason, like protecting Harry is just cause he couldn't have lily, and he still treats Harry like garbage. Not to mention the fact that he bullies literal children as a 30(?) something year old man. As I've gotten older and read the books more I can't believe that Dumbledore thought that was ok. Although to be fair Dumbledore is also the person who would rather let a bunch of KIDS take on monsters and evil magicians for the sake of their own character development than take care of the problems himself. I love Harry Potter but I could go on a whole rant about everything wrong with it
@@mckinleymontague2699 You and me both. I've read the books maybe... Twenty times each? They're my go-to reading material every summer and fall, and I know them pretty much by heart at this point. I love them dearly, but they aren't perfect. And that's also why it bothers me so much when people portray Snape as a tragic, misunderstood victim because the movies literally just showed you three seconds of James being an asshole and that's pretty much it.
Movie-Snape comes across as a charismatic, snarky, grumpy but still likeable character, and you see him being protective of the golden trio more than once, so people who haven't read the books think that's how he is canonically.
Book-Snape is a sadistic, selfish, classist, unapologetically cruel bully towards literal eleven year-olds who had NOTHING to do with the way he grew up, they're basically toddlers! Yet he torments them, smirks at their misery, revels in bullying them (the way he treated Hermione and Neville was straight up abusive), and he basically told Voldemort that he didn't care about him killing Harry and James as long as he left Lily alone. He fully believes in purebloods and the Wizarding world's equivalent of Nazi rhetoric, he joined the Deatheaters of his own volition, he invented torture curses for FUN...
He is NOT a hero.
snape was so sassy when draco hit hermoine with the expanding charm which made her teeth grow, and snape say “i dont see a difference”😭😭
"So all all of your teachers have the right to work around kids, correct?"
...
"What do you mean he used to be a death eater... but he's cool now"
Dude, if someone threatened my animal, I would learn an unforgivable curse so quickly.
I think unforgivable curse doesn't need much learning. When in Order of the Phoenix Harry tried to Crucio Bella it isn't because of the wand movement or pronunciation he didn't succeed, it's because he didn't want to see her suffer enough. And I doubt that Harry Potter can learn wand movement and pronunciation after one lesson with fake Moody and some battles. So yeah, unforgivable curses, from what we see, don't need learning. Just the wish to cause pain/kill/control other person.
@@armenianrussian well then I’d be all set
Conveniently, Neville already knows one
@@spinnyroolz3682 oh my god, you didn't
@@spinnyroolz3682 oof 😂
Movie Snape : thoughtful teacher, do anything for lily, love hate relationship with harry
Book Snape : drunk definitely drunk
My theory is that after lily died book Snape became just a borderline alcoholic and sold the alcohol off as one of his potions when he's being asked about it 😂
@@FreeHugsVoldemorti mean where's the lie????😂
@@mir8816 I mean he's gotta be drunk with how he acts all the time
I can say a lot of bad things about Snape, but I doubt that with his experience with his drunk father he ever gave in to the bottle
''No. I washed it six months ago.''
No, I ONLY washed it six months ago.
This is underrated..
lol
Yk I think my favorite Snape moment that made me burst out laughing was in the Order of the Phoenix during Harry’s Occulmency lesson and Snape saw Harry kissing Cho and in the background he says, “I might vomit”😭
Book Snape was so evil, that when we find out the truth, I didn't even care. I was like, "I still don't like you."
When you're right, you're right. Book Snape had his moments, high points and low points, but Movie Snape definitely had a lot more redeeming qualities.
i mean, there’s also just the fact that movie snape was *alan god-damned rickman.* asking someone to hate him is like asking someone to hate the cool-sassy-uncle version of keanu reeves. he brings too much charm to whatever role he’s in, absolutely gives it his all, and gives you a sort of antihero to root for.
tldr lol, to put it in the WISE wise words of zangief in wreck-it ralph:
“And I say- ‘Zangief! You are BadGuy. But this does not mean you are ‘bad guy’.’ “
Even with the backstory, which in typical fashion with all the books, was tacked on and rushed in order to keep the central focus on Harry - there's still such a huge gap between the Snape as presented across all of the books, and being worthy of Harry naming one of his children after him. Especially when he's not naming kids after Hagrid or Lupin.
Yes! I am currently rereading the books and couldnt help but think this. Snape was not evil as in wanting to commit genocide anymore but he was not baby naming worthy. He was guilted into his acts, and i wonder if there was an unbreable vow involved.
I never fell for the narrative snape was evil and siding with voldemort, from the very first book and repeatedly after that it was always a misunderstanding and never snape, but the way he treated his students!!!! Hes a total D. Unless that was a carefully planned ruse by dumbledore and snape so if voldy ever came back snapes behaviour could make him appear a good spy and boom triple agent.
@@miche6563 I get the sentiment, but it's just not earned. But that's also the inherent problem with 99% of the story just being focused on Harry. The _only_ time they deviate this and focus on something that Harry doesn't witness firsthand (or view telepathically) is Narcissa and Bellatrix going to Snape's home and doing the unbreakable bond. And the shortcoming of that is, when stuff needs to be explained, it becomes this absurd info dump. Barty Crouch sitting in Moody's office spewing exposition about every minor plot point that got him there, so Harry can hear it, in order to justify the reader knowing about it. All the backstory with Dumbledore in Deathly Hollows, Harry reads a book within the book... 🤦♂
And then a bunch of characters get shafted with so many things happening off page - Lupin and Tonks, the revival of Dumbledore's Army at the school. Like, she had to contrive people casually sitting around talking about Neville and Ginny trying to steal the sword and getting into trouble, so Harry could overhear it...
Snape's story could have been given _a lot_ of nuance to make the ultimate ending work; but it's still working against a lot of just petty bs that's difficult to justify no matter the circumstances. He may not have necessarily _endorsed_ outright racism within his house, but he sanctioned it, turned a blind eye to it.
Seems you have to be dead for harry to name his kid after you, hagrid and minerva, molly and arthur, so many other choices more deserving
@@miche6563 *Remus Lupin has entered the chat*
@@stargazer1682 i always assumed lupin wasnt an option because his son was named after him.
Movie snape be having the loreal Paris hair commercial typa hair💅💁♀️
LMAO
Movie Snape is the type of man who would make Dad jokes while keeping a straight serious face.
When snape said: I see no difference,......he started a war with every potterhead🙂
I think the only proof needed to showcase how terrible and abusive Snape was, no matter what rebuttal sometime tries to make, is the fact that a 13 year oldest greatest fear was Snape himself. His parents were literally tortured to insanity by Bellatrix and yet Neville feared his potion teacher.
Not only that. He found Lily, James and Harry and LEFT Harry scared and crying next to Lily. Oh what a hero he was, always looking out for Harry!
Even then he wasn’t really looking out for Harry, but Lilly’s son. No one ever points out the difference, but it’s there and it is huge.
@@177aBleeckerStreet oh yeah there is. It means he wouldn't have done it for any other child, just Lily's because it was, well, Lily
@@woolypuffin392 Was he, a death eater, supposed to pick up the golden child? Ehm, hello, where's the logic in that?
I feel like that's just bad writing but then again that's just my opinion
Snape talking about Hermione's teeth like his nose wasn't a canoe
Like the bullying children part is already insane, but bullying children for their physical appearance is just next level
In film, Snape acted less like a bad dude and more like what you expect a man who works for dumbledore to act like.
This is so on point. 😂
This is still too charming for book Snape. Guy was on a mission to kill every student's mental health (except the Slytherin ones of course)
I got in an argument with someone just last week over Snape. This man was insisting he was really a good guy, only acted mean to play a part, and that he truly loved Lily and Harry.
Of course, it turned out that he’s only seen the movies and read the first book.
He's not that simple, even JK said it. He's a grey character and that's why I love him. Because he has so much layers.
Yeah but even so Harry literally named his kid after him sooo
When a kid literally watches his parents get tortured into insaity and his biggest fear is still you, youre a monster
My one complaint is that snape wouldn't go for physical appearance when he was roasting. It was to easy. No, he would go for the real low blows. He would cut down your ego, insult your intelligence, and find a way to watch you squirm. Snape was a real bastard. He delighted in the pain of others. The only reason he betrayed Voldemort was when Lily got involved. His obsession for her was the only thing stronger than his hate for James.
Like I said before, Movie-Snape made sense because he was bitter and sarcastic.
Book-Snape was just plain petty and even evil at times, to the point where even Voldemort would be hard-pressed to believe Dumbledore would have fallen for his undercover agent act.
As much as I thought Snape was kinda a sassy dick in the movies, he didn't hesitate to shield those 3 troublemakers from a whole ass werewolf. I stan.
Plus his bullying in the movies was usually funny or even justified like Harry and Ron either talking through class or when Ron laughed at Snape when Umbridge left and he swatted at him with a book. DOn't hit your students but I laughed.
Like when the marauders map was bullying snape in the 3rd book commenting on his greasy hair lol
I remember that, 😂
loll i got so mad when hermione got hit with the spell that enlarged her teeth painfully and snape was jus like “i see no difference” ☠️
Book Snape delighted in causing suffering to his non-Slytherin students so much it's genuinely hard to accept that he ever had positive intentions.
Movie Snape gains enough positive scenes and loses enough negative scenes in translation to make that possibility believeable. Add in the fact that Alan Rickman sneers and smirks far less than his character did in the book and you've someone who is potentially likeable, a teacher who is more readily described as "very strict."
Movie Snape: Heroic but sassy
Book Snape: A straight up bully
Yeah, Alan Rickman was ready to decline the part if he hadn't been allowed to give Snape a little ambiguity.
One scene I’ll never forget in the book was when Hermione got hit by a spell that caused her teeth to grow larger and larger and when Snape saw it he was like: “I don’t see how this is my problem to fix” essentially
I wouldn't be surprised if in one moment, Snape called Harry "James", because in his head, Harry and James are basically the same person, and thought that Harry had to "pay" for his father's sins in the past
The only redeeming quality in Snape that came to mind is that he blasted Lockhart across the room in the dueling club.
And not, you know, turning on Voldemort, and therefore allowing the series of events that resulted in his demise.
Not killing his only friend in the world so that Draco wouldn’t become a murderer at the age of 16.
Not doing his best to run interference between the Death Eaters and students during his year as Headmaster while keeping his cover AND having all his colleagues hate on him from the middle distance.
Not sacrificing himself to take down Lily’s murderer.
No, none of those come close to redeeming acts. Instead a childish overcompensation during a duel with an obviously underperforming opponent. That was the closest he got.
@@StarWarsomaniaSnape willingly joined the death eaters. He was part of Voldemorts inner circle, so image all the horrible things he had to do to get there.
The only reason he changed sides was because Lily was going to die, not because he had a change of heart. He was still prejudiced towards muggleborns. If the prophecy didn't exist he would still be with the death eaters. He didn't do all those good things as a form of redemption, he did it out of guilt. So, he was definitely not redeemed.
Also I'm pretty sure the other person meant it as a joke.
hi@@StarWarsomania I'm writing this part here after I've finished the rest of this post to say sorry if this comes off as a bit aggressive, if you got any other point you'd like to make for you case I'm willing to hear them out. So without any further ado here's my rebuttal to the points that you've made. (again sorry I started this post like 2ish hours ago and it's currently 2:15 AM and I'm too tired to edit this to be less aggressive.)
No you right, how truly noble of Snape to turn on Voldemort after begging him to spare Lily's (and only Lily's) life only to then go and immediately make the same plea to Dumbledore to save Lily's (again I reiterate ONLY LILY'S) life. A plea that makes snape essentially give up his mind body and soul over to Dumbledore so that he can use it as he pleases in exchange for the Potter's protection. A plea that wasn't even necessary seeing that Dumbledore was already going to put the potters under the Fidelius charm.
And while where on the topic of Dumbledor and snape why don't we go over some of the highlight of their friendship in the books like;
1. the time Dumbledore in front of the whole school choose to give a collective 160 points to Gryffindor practically shoving Slytherin out of first place even though we know that he could have done this at anytime.
2. Dumbledore choose a complete idiot, one of Snapes former classmate that choose to completely ignore the fact that he was being bullied, an ex Auror who believes that once a death eater always a death eater, and Umbridge (enough said) to be the DADA professors over Snape
3 making fun of snape during the 3rd books Christmas dinner by reminding of the events that had happen in Lupin's boggart class with Neville.
4. Dumbledore telling snape to kill him.
5. Dumbledore letting Snape teach the DADA knowing that it's cursed.
Truly this is a friendship worth striving for
oh but what about those students that Snape has been protecting during book 7, you know, the same students that are being forced to use the unforgivable curses on first years, the same students that are in hiding from the death eaters that Snape let in, and the very same students that he has been bullying since the very start of the books for valid reason to the point that some see him as their worst fear.
Any good redeeming thing that you say Snape's done has been nothing more than Snape being a petty, selfish, self-destructive man who's only reason for helping the good guys is because the girl he's cared for since he was 12 was in immediate danger.
To be fair in both versions snape joined the death eaters knowing fully well they wanted to get rid of all mud bloods including his crush, only to be surprised to learn that voldemort wanted his crush dead. 😅
Yeah, apparently being good at potions doesn't help with basic deduction. :D
What people forget is that Snape never did anything for Harry. He did it for Lily
I was kinda surprised how I liked movie Snape, considering the fact that I absolutely hated him in the books. Alan Rickman was really great for this role, because he added a little softnes to this character. Book Snape was just a teenager stuck in 40 years old body. I have no compassion and respect for an adult, who bullies 11 year olds and no amount of sad memories can make me feel bad for him, hell no.
Alan Rickman sold the character of Snape *far* better than Snape himself deserved.
That's because we love AR
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the movies portrayed Snape's love of Lily really different than the books did too imo. Of course movie fans find it romantic. But in the books he basically thought since she was muggle born she should HAVE to do what he said and that it was a huge slight that another pureblood (James) TOOK her from him
I think plainly he wasn't seen as creepy in the movies. in the books he was really incel-y
One of my English teachers was like this. He had an allergy to soap and didn't care to find a supplicant, thus he stunk horribly, because he just tried to overpower his smell with deodorant which only made things worse. Then he liked to spit in his hand and run through his hair with it. It was long curly and grimy. It felt like he never showered. And in addition to that he was allergic to wasp stings and feared any little bug. So in the summer time, he forbid to open the windows and his stink got so bad i can't describe. Oh and i didn't tell you that he spat while speaking, had a habit to steal pencils and bully students. Yee one of the teachers of all time.
I think some people don't take Snape's bullying of some students too seriously because it is "just fiction".
I usually try to make them look at it from that perspective: Imagine a situation like that in real life - a teacher threatening to poison a 13-year-old's pet or openly, in front of everyone, including students bullying her, mocking a 14-year-old's looks. It's f*cking disgusting.
the hilarious thing is that every snape apologist seems to highlight snape's years of being a bully victim and then proceed to go honk honk shoo mimimi when there's a discussion of him being the bully himself to literal school children 🤨😒🙄
I always felt he pretended to hate Harry to help him. Later I realized he kinda wanted to help Harry, while also hating him. 😂
Can we appreciate how after failing to poison nevil’s toad in 3rd year
snape took it to the next level in 4th year and decided he is poisoning one of the students(harry) to test their antidote
I don’t know about likable but snape was definitely iconic😭
"I see no difference" made my jaw drop 20 some odd years ago.
The greasy hair thing was spot on. The guy really needs to learn what a shower is. I'd die if I had that type of hair....or haircut.
I wonder if it was because of the whole "it should have been you" that Snape was so bad towards Neville. Cause if voldy chose Neville, Lilly would have lived. Or at least that could have been his thoughts...
Right on point! 👍
Him bullying Neville makes Neville having snape as his biggest fear make so much sense
Book Snape was an abusive tyrant who relished in his power to inflict pain on his non-slytherin students.
Movie Snape was a mean teacher with Slytherin favoritism.
The fact that Snape regularly bullied not one, but TWO kids who were orphans (including Neville here, because for all effects his parents were gone) never allowed me to see him has anything but evil.
movie snape always had that ‘are we’ at the end of every sentence-
When he said he didn’t see a difference in the books I laughed for like half an hour straight
he hasnt washed his hair ever since lily touched it
I love these book vs movies not only because they are funny as hell but because the discussion causes way more depth and thought into their characterization than jkr ever put lbr
Alan Rickman was told Snape's entire history by JK Rowling when the first movie started filming, so he was able to adjust the character to be way less of a bastard.
But I could relate to Book Snape at times; he writes down the recipes in detail and tells everyone that they have to read them carefully. Harry just doesn't read it and screws it up almost every time. Snape sits there every day with a bunch of students, most of whom have no interest in his subject, don't pay attention and then he has to clean up their mess. And if someone has to say "read carefully, pay close attention" every day and people just don't do it, then maybe you can understand why someone would be bitter after 10 years of teaching... 😅
(of course he often went too far, but I often thought to myself, Harry, just pay attention!) 😅
I love me some book Snape, but I can acknowledge that he is such a petty bully especially to poor Neville. But yeah, if I had to hang with book Snape or movie Snape, I am definitely hanging out with movie Snape because as you said he is mean in an endearing way and he has some amazing sass.
The age difference is also super funny. It's one thing to think of this old, bitter man, we've all had that one cranky old teacher you kinda love to hate, but a guy in his thirties? Just full-on bullying and terrorizing kids in class? Instantly more off-putting.
Snape: ten points from Gryffindoor
Harry: WHY WHAT DID I DOOOO???
Snape: you were breathing.
Dumbledore: 10000 POINTS TO GRYFFINDOR
Every Slytherin: …why?..
Dumbledore: Harry is breathing.
@@kseniaixbalam2826 Snape: doesn’t everyone do that?
Dumbledore:
But Harry Potter my little munchkin is breathing BE PROUD OF HIM SEVERUS
I always think about the fact that he was Neville's greatest fear in year 3. Neville, the boy who grew up visiting parents who had been tortured to insanity when he was a baby. His greatest fear was one of his teachers. I refuse to have any sympathy for a grown ass man who can bully children that badly. Idc how sad his backstory is and idc how much good he did in secret. If you take your anger at the world out on children (especially a child you know has had such a hard life) you don't deserve the air you breathe.
Saying quickly...children...get...behind...me.... took so much time that the werewolf already ☠them
Exactly, once you let Alan Rickman play the Snape I was going to like the character. One of my childhood cats was named Severus!
Lily touched his hair once and he hasn’t washed it since
I swear, in books, Snape was just straight up drunk every day and Alan Rickman did his best to convey the same energy without the booze-
"AW ARE YOU ATTACHED TO YOUR PET? DO YOU NOT WANT YOUR PET TO DIE? GROW UP!!"
book snape has more in common with Mr. Crocker than Alan Rickman
As fantastic an actor as Alan Rickman was, the character he played in the Harry Potter movies was not Snape, even if he borrowed the name. The two really have nothing other than that in common.
"No...I washed it 6 months ago." I'm dead! XD XD
Watching your scenes from the books that should have been in the movies series made me realize I don't remember much from the books, but I do remember wanting Snape dead when I was reading the books back in school lol.
Sassy book snape is forever my favorite
Alan played the character in JK rowlings image and I think it's dependent on how you read the book. The difference is that when an actor is playing a character they add the tone for you in the way they speak and act whereas when you read you have to add it yourself if you read the books imaging the charecter to be like snape in the movies then you get get pretty much the same character
no
Hell no
Book Snape: oh poor Neville, he needs Hermione’s help to let his toad to live! AND 10 POINTS FROM GRYFFINDOR BECAUSE MS GRANGER SAVED THE TOAD
Trevor: 👁️👄👁️
I can't with book Snape 😂😂😂 I somehow relate
Is no one going to appreciate her mimicking skills like gurl slay that...❤
"Do I need to wash my hair? No. I washed it 6 months ago." 😂
Book Snape,
Hermiones teeth growing rapidly,
Snape-i see no difference
No cause the "I see no difference" comment he made when Hermione's teeth grew cause of Malfoys curse was BRUTAL