You want to bench Eli in a lost season to see what you got in Davis Webb? Okay, that sucks for Eli and his streak, but that's a smart decision. Benching Eli and telling us all that Geno Smith gives you the best chance to win? Get the hell outta here.
"Surrender formation" - beautiful Rich....beautiful. The entire Giants franchise has been in a state of surrender for a while. I'm so glad the team cleaned house.
I didn’t blame Joe as much as I did the GM. But I’m not mad at this decision. Giants fan we’ve had nothing but a decade of miserable seasons major changes must be made.
No easy answer right, I can't imagine losing this clown will hurt the franchise though. I'd be super interested to see who NYG start at QB next season.
I blame Judge MORE than Gettleman. Gettleman was not the game day coach who made so many bad decisions. They had talent, they did not use it properly and did not motivate the talent.
The now retired GM said “he selected Judge because even though he was just special teams coach, he reminded him of a younger version of himself.” Who can argue with undeniable coaching certainty like that?!
He was an odd hire in the first place - the Mara’s need to look in the mirror a bit though. They have their hands all over the team, but are sneakier than Jerry Jones and give scapegoats. The Giants have mismanaged FA and the draft
@@alexh7064 Because Judge had never served as a head coach and he was a special teams coach. You kind of get what you pay for when you hire coaches like that, and he never really dealt with the media either. Belichick disciples never cut it as head coaches in the NFL. Romeo Crennel did pretty good but none of them can take Bill's philosophy and win with it elsewhere,
MacAdoo was not right about Eli. Eli was hung out to dry for the last 6 years of his career as trash coaches were brought in, his talent was stripped away, his o line was literally the worst in the NFL, and he STILL made the team competitive and put up wins and middle of the pack QB production numbers. Eli could have easily played, produced, and won into 2020 or so. The belief that he was shot or outclassed by all other NFL quarterbacks is completely false.
Wellington Mara picked Allie Sherman as his head coach when he had Tom Landry as his defense coach and Vincent Lombardi coaching the offense. Tells you everything.
Both Lombardi and Landry left while Howell was the head coach. Hell, Sherman was the OC who replaced Lombardi. If you're going to disparage Mara you could at least be accurate.
Giant fans may not have liked the way it was done, but Eli was shot and needed to be benched. Similar dynamic when Coughlin refused to confront Beckham after his ridiculous showing in the Panthers game. Sometimes it hurts to be honest, but a solid franchise knows it needs to be done. Such decisions set back the franchise years.
@@stillthekid333 But he did need to be benched, as the 1-4 finish and 5-11 the next year shows. Point being, y'all bitched about Geno Smith without ever facing the real issue. Instead, they played another full year and the beginning of the next before they finally understood. To some degree, it was the fan backlash over Geno Smith that continued the downhill slide to this day.
@@utewbd I didn't say qb wasnt a problem. I said crying about Geno Smith resulted in keeping Eli as the starter, which was one of the primary reasons they're in such a pitiful state the past few years.
I wonder if Eli was done or if the team was just terrible. No OL, no TE's, and no outside weapons...seriously...it's not like things got better after Eli left. We still had a bad OL, no TE's and not outside weapons.
It's crazy to believe it's been over half a decade since Coughlin was let go. Even crazier that since the Boat picture, they've finished with double digit losses every year.
Common denominator in Detroit the last 60 years is Ford family ownership. Worst ownership in all pro sports. Fact: no Lions head coach has ever headcoached another team after leaving Detroit. Don Shula was a Lions assistant in the 60s and they let him get away. I rest my case.
As a former New Yorker, we all know that the fans feel it is their birthright to win Super Bowls and World Series. The fact of the matter is it is not the market or the media that produces this, it is the owners. Do you want George Steinbrunner or Dolan as your owner? Do you want Fred Wilpon or Wellington Mara? The owner establishes the culture and the expectations.
Word to Rich, Bill Parcells would've been fired by George Young in '83 if Howard Schellenburger had said yes. Nobody is given time to grow into the job.
George Young hated Parcells. He was ready to return to the Giants in 94 and once he found out, he raced to the phone and offered the job to Dan Reeves.
To put things in perspective for the Giants & their fans. The Cowboys had TWENTY-TWO different players score TDs this year. The Giants only had 23 TDs.
To put everything into light. The Cowboys have not won a Super Bowl in 26 years. The Giants have won 2/3 in that time. Apparently that head start resulted into taking the last 10 years off. Still have a huge lead.
@@deep7544 It's a crazy number. Seriously, 23 TDs? Eckler & Taylor nearly scored more TDs than the Giants team did. They only had 6 more TDs than games played. That's not even good enough for 1.5 TDs per game.
Belichek Tree has gotten way Overvalued ? O’Brien - Fired. Judge - Fired Romeo - Fired. Weiss - Fired Josh McDaniel - Fired. Flores - Fired. At least 2 others - I forgot their Names ! (Jets and Lions ) ? Right or Wrong - Who can Say ? 🧐
Matt Patricia was the one who ran a playoff caliber Lions team directly into the ground. Seriously, they made the playoffs twice under Caldwell, and then Bob Quinn and Patricia came in and screwed us over completely!
Geez, I totally missed the whole medium soda thing when it happened. That's funny. Even dumpy little local baseball teams give everyone in the stands a bobblehead or hot dog a couple times each season. Medium frickin' pop IF you have the email code.... wow LOL.
Don’t act like the jets are anything close to the organization the Giants are. It’s been the worst 10 year stretch in their history yes, but it doesn’t come close to the dysfunction of the jets for over 60 years now
In the 1950s and early 60s they were among the best teams. Then it fell apart. Allie Sherman wasn’t the best of coaches. But they were able to win with a coach named Jim Lee Howell who was insane.
They got the fancy Quarterback and the fancy running back and the fancy pass-catching tightend. They still struggled to score points. Resources were spent. Judge didn't deserve a pass.
Great piece! What coach would you select for the NY Football Giants? Can anyone address this question, particularly if you are a Giants fan? Also, would you keep the current QB? Also, I did not see the game that Eisen is referring to about getting in the surrender formation. I have to look it up. Does anyone know why the coach would do that?
Why is when Daniel Jones doesn't do good is because he didn't have a good OL, but when Eli didn't do good it was Eli's fault? In 2017 the Giants OL sucked. After the third game they didn't have any WR's. The WR corp put together had a TOTAL of 12 NFL catches. Not TD's, -- CATCHES. Eli had to show them how to run routes. Sure in 2008 Eli had a pretty good team, but it was all Eli. Who were his WR's. Manningham came later, but he couldn't run routes. There was Steve Smith. What ever happened to him when he left for greener pastures? Kevin Boss was good for the Giants.
As a Eagles fan this entire situation has delighted me to no end!. As a Penn State fan and alum, the fact that they wasted Saquon Barkley's best years is just sad and pathetic.
Apparently, even with their weak roster, they have no cap space for next year. Doubt any coach like Harbaugh would want to go there with no money to grab FA talent to sure up their deficiencies.
All this doesn't matter when we have an owner that puts family in roles that decide which players get scouted and drafted the issue is the Mara's. They are like Jerry Jones without fhe public interviews, unless Tisch buys them out or they sell their portion of the team this will continue.
"A Riptide of Gobbledygook" should be the title of Joe Judge's memoirs. But I'm sure with a name like Joe Judge, there should be more ideas. You be the judge (groan!) of that. Feel free to add to this. I won't Judge.
The Giants ownership is all about the Good Ol Boy Network when it comes to coaching. There is no diversity in their coaching staff. They keep going to the same well and expect different water.
The whole "Eli isn't effective anymore" thing makes me sick in hindsight. You don't think he does exactly what Philip Rivers does in Indy last year if he goes to a decent team? The roster in hindsight was the problem, just like it was as it was happening.
If you’re forced to address your team’s deficiencies, but refuse to blame the players, absence of QB, etc… what comes out is going to be a stammering, rambling mess of non-sequiturs. The guy didn’t say ‘hey! Mike Glennon sucks,’ or ‘Daniel Jones’, and for that he ought to be commended.
Mcadoo benching Eli, which ended Eli's streak for Geno Smith was nuts.
You want to bench Eli in a lost season to see what you got in Davis Webb? Okay, that sucks for Eli and his streak, but that's a smart decision. Benching Eli and telling us all that Geno Smith gives you the best chance to win? Get the hell outta here.
I love when Rich goes all in.
That's what she said.
@@jeremyphillips3087 Dont stay up too late tn- you have school tomorrow
Me too... When Rich is upset you know you've messed up royally.
@@MCJdiz Hahaha.... Nice. I'm totally stealing that one.
@@MCJdiz i have school today 😔
Anything titled “A Riptide of Gobbledygook” deserves a view and my man Rich didn't disappoint .
This is an accurate assessment of the situation.
Word
Legit WHY I clicked lol.
So many sports talk options but "A Riptide of Gobbledygook" can never be overlooked 🤣
Cold harsh, my new reality lol oh boy
Thank you Rich, for saying what you said about Eli and the benching and the medium Pepsi and the rest, and for saying it with integrity
"Surrender formation" - beautiful Rich....beautiful. The entire Giants franchise has been in a state of surrender for a while. I'm so glad the team cleaned house.
The Giants are in the tenth year of their five-year rebuilding program--again.
Rich just has such a calming and soothing voice to me idk why lol
He funny and I can't stop laughing 😂😂
I didn’t blame Joe as much as I did the GM. But I’m not mad at this decision. Giants fan we’ve had nothing but a decade of miserable seasons major changes must be made.
No easy answer right, I can't imagine losing this clown will hurt the franchise though. I'd be super interested to see who NYG start at QB next season.
I blame Judge MORE than Gettleman. Gettleman was not the game day coach who made so many bad decisions. They had talent, they did not use it properly and did not motivate the talent.
Rich is the best storyteller in the sports business
Been a Giants fan since 1972 and I have never seen us this bad.
As a cowboys fan I have thoroughly enjoyed it. But all bias aside it has been really really ugly
The now retired GM said “he selected Judge because even though he was just special teams coach, he reminded him of a younger version of himself.” Who can argue with undeniable coaching certainty like that?!
The Mara family previously hired the gm and coach separately. Ernie Acorsi did not want Tom Coughlin for example.
Didn’t the former GM also say DJ looked like he’ll be a great QB? Or something to that effect.
The Maras select the Head Coach at the Giants, not the GM.
Sounds like something Gettleman would say
He was an odd hire in the first place - the Mara’s need to look in the mirror a bit though. They have their hands all over the team, but are sneakier than Jerry Jones and give scapegoats. The Giants have mismanaged FA and the draft
Why was it an odd hire?
@@alexh7064 Because Judge had never served as a head coach and he was a special teams coach. You kind of get what you pay for when you hire coaches like that, and he never really dealt with the media either. Belichick disciples never cut it as head coaches in the NFL. Romeo Crennel did pretty good but none of them can take Bill's philosophy and win with it elsewhere,
MacAdoo was not right about Eli.
Eli was hung out to dry for the last 6 years of his career as trash coaches were brought in, his talent was stripped away, his o line was literally the worst in the NFL, and he STILL made the team competitive and put up wins and middle of the pack QB production numbers.
Eli could have easily played, produced, and won into 2020 or so. The belief that he was shot or outclassed by all other NFL quarterbacks is completely false.
Absolutely correct
Eli was washed you definitely blind lol
Well said!
He was done. He couldn't throw deep - it was literally 5 yard slants to Beckham over and over.
I agree....I’m not even a Giants fan.
And here I thought Nick Siriani’s random presser about plants growing roots in the ground like a youth pastor was strange! Oh Joe judge! lol ok
At least his team started winning after that.
I have never ever seen gobbledygook spelt out before, ever 😂😂😂
Sigur Rós song
I’m dying
@@Lappelduvideify underrated song band imo
Rich always loved hearing you talk sports..Sending blessings.
My first pro football game was the Houston Oilers,(Tennessee Titans) vs. the New York Titans(Jets) as a kid. $1.00 end zone tickets. Great times.
Damn and you know how to work a computer good for you!
@@npierce14 and they say boomers can't adapt 😂
@@noirceur_ right lol
@@noirceur_: Oilers were my team--Steelers their nemesis!
@Somebody Daddy 215 It seems like, lol
Wellington Mara picked Allie Sherman as his head coach when he had Tom Landry as his defense coach and Vincent Lombardi coaching the offense. Tells you everything.
Both Lombardi and Landry left while Howell was the head coach. Hell, Sherman was the OC who replaced Lombardi. If you're going to disparage Mara you could at least be accurate.
It's amazing where the team is now in comparison
One of the most eloquent titles ever.
Rich is the only national media figure I want to hear talk about the giants
That Eli take was how every Giants fan felt about that situation no way you break his streak to watch Geno line up under center
Giant fans may not have liked the way it was done, but Eli was shot and needed to be benched. Similar dynamic when Coughlin refused to confront Beckham after his ridiculous showing in the Panthers game. Sometimes it hurts to be honest, but a solid franchise knows it needs to be done. Such decisions set back the franchise years.
@@artis1969 He didn't need to be benched for Geno Smith and that really isn't debatable.
@@stillthekid333 But he did need to be benched, as the 1-4 finish and 5-11 the next year shows. Point being, y'all bitched about Geno Smith without ever facing the real issue. Instead, they played another full year and the beginning of the next before they finally understood. To some degree, it was the fan backlash over Geno Smith that continued the downhill slide to this day.
@@artis1969 So if the real issue wasn't QB why bench Eli?
@@utewbd I didn't say qb wasnt a problem. I said crying about Geno Smith resulted in keeping Eli as the starter, which was one of the primary reasons they're in such a pitiful state the past few years.
Rich you’re great !
I wonder if Eli was done or if the team was just terrible. No OL, no TE's, and no outside weapons...seriously...it's not like things got better after Eli left. We still had a bad OL, no TE's and not outside weapons.
I think it was more the team got bad. I still think Eli could've played a few more years if the offensive line didn't threaten to kill him every year.
The offensive line collapsed after shaun o hara david diehl chris snee richie suebert and kareem mckenzie were done
Both he was done and the team stunk , both are correct
Rich is gods gift to mature NFL fans
Fax
It's crazy to believe it's been over half a decade since Coughlin was let go.
Even crazier that since the Boat picture, they've finished with double digit losses every year.
Seems to me thst Detroit is building a culture without wins.
Campbell seems to have things trending the right way there
Common denominator in Detroit the last 60 years is Ford family ownership. Worst ownership in all pro sports. Fact: no Lions head coach has ever headcoached another team after leaving Detroit. Don Shula was a Lions assistant in the 60s and they let him get away. I rest my case.
The New York Giants needs a SCORCHED EARTH STYLE REBUILD FROM SCRATCH! That is the only way to get the franchise back to Greatness.
They have no cap room next seaoson to do much, hope they get two good draft picks lol
@@KA-gd1lg That’s part of the entire idea of rebuilding it from scratch. They’ll shed a lot of cap next year.
As a former New Yorker, we all know that the fans feel it is their birthright to win Super Bowls and World Series. The fact of the matter is it is not the market or the media that produces this, it is the owners. Do you want George Steinbrunner or Dolan as your owner? Do you want Fred Wilpon or Wellington Mara? The owner establishes the culture and the expectations.
Precisely. But at least your team is not owned by the Ford family. That’s why the Lions are the worst franchise in pro sports.
I'm a NYG since 85.. never been so embarrassed. But now we have atleast Hope.. that will carry us through this past turmoil
The annual hope cycle is getting old.
awesome recap of a sad & bizarre situation…
Rich Eisen has the coolest maturest respectful disrespectful rants I ever heard in my life...i love it😂😂😂
Word to Rich, Bill Parcells would've been fired by George Young in '83 if Howard Schellenburger had said yes.
Nobody is given time to grow into the job.
George Young hated Parcells. He was ready to return to the Giants in 94 and once he found out, he raced to the phone and offered the job to Dan Reeves.
Riptide of gobbledygook is an epic euphemism. Well done, Rich.........
“We gotta at least give away larges” 🤣🤣
never forget the birth of the "resignation formation"
To put things in perspective for the Giants & their fans. The Cowboys had TWENTY-TWO different players score TDs this year. The Giants only had 23 TDs.
JEEZUS!
To put everything into light. The Cowboys have not won a Super Bowl in 26 years. The Giants have won 2/3 in that time. Apparently that head start resulted into taking the last 10 years off. Still have a huge lead.
@@easye8097 A huge lead? 5 to 4 bitch. Your team has been around for like 100 years and ya'll still can't catch up to the Cowboys Championships.
@@deep7544 It's a crazy number. Seriously, 23 TDs? Eckler & Taylor nearly scored more TDs than the Giants team did. They only had 6 more TDs than games played. That's not even good enough for 1.5 TDs per game.
@@jimmygreer6172 Man it was a painful season. I'm only 40...but I can't think of a worse season in my 30+ years as a fun
I'll coach 'em. Think they'd be okay if I ran the wishbone?
They have no offensive linemen
Honestly what the world needs now is more Rich Eisen. This has to be my favorite rant to date HAHA. Love you bro!
I still cannot get over that Medium Pepsi thing!
A riptide of gobbledygook...damn...no one could explain Judge's BS anymore accurately
They couldn't even get the firing right!
Exactly!
Belichek Tree has gotten way Overvalued ? O’Brien - Fired. Judge - Fired Romeo - Fired. Weiss - Fired Josh McDaniel - Fired. Flores - Fired. At least 2 others - I forgot their Names ! (Jets and Lions ) ? Right or Wrong - Who can Say ? 🧐
Flores is the only good NFL coach from this bunch.
Matt Patricia was the one who ran a playoff caliber Lions team directly into the ground. Seriously, they made the playoffs twice under Caldwell, and then Bob Quinn and Patricia came in and screwed us over completely!
In a media market as large as the NY metropolitan area the NFL needs the Giants to return to Tiffany status.
Not the medium-sized sodas 🙁
Rich Eisen is a Jets fan from birth?! Poor guy, it all makes sense now. Okay, I'll subscribe. From a Cowboys fan.
Geez, I totally missed the whole medium soda thing when it happened. That's funny. Even dumpy little local baseball teams give everyone in the stands a bobblehead or hot dog a couple times each season. Medium frickin' pop IF you have the email code.... wow LOL.
Judge is a wannabe tough guy head coach -- which staggered into a comedic attempt to hide his incompetence.
The Giant's problem wasn't Judge, it was Gentleman. You know, the GM who tried to build a team with an o-line he found in the K-mart parking lot.
1:46 The Saints first *11 years* were *REALLY BAD.* And that doesn't even count the 1-15 bagheads season!!
Don’t act like the jets are anything close to the organization the Giants are. It’s been the worst 10 year stretch in their history yes, but it doesn’t come close to the dysfunction of the jets for over 60 years now
"surrender formation" combined with yesterday's Pop Warner worthy strategy....instant classics Rich love it!
"Surrender formation"... Wow! That's gonna stick...
In the 1950s and early 60s they were among the best teams. Then it fell apart. Allie Sherman wasn’t the best of coaches. But they were able to win with a coach named Jim Lee Howell who was insane.
There weren’t that many teams lol
Allie was NFL Coach of the Year in 1961 and 1962.
They got the fancy Quarterback and the fancy running back and the fancy pass-catching tightend. They still struggled to score points.
Resources were spent. Judge didn't deserve a pass.
I clicked for Gobbledygook and, after watching, I subbed.
Me too!
Great piece! What coach would you select for the NY Football Giants? Can anyone address this question, particularly if you are a Giants fan? Also, would you keep the current QB? Also, I did not see the game that Eisen is referring to about getting in the surrender formation. I have to look it up. Does anyone know why the coach would do that?
Quite an epic rant by Rich. He never disappoints.
Ben MacAdoo’s Talking Heads suit 🤣
God damn. This is way too accurate.
“Talking Heads suit” - One for the ages and absolutely accurate
That tall backup quarterback they had was the most terrible quarterback play I ever seen in my life.
I guess you didn't see who replaced him
Mike glennon, and then jake fromm State Farm
I do believe judge was trying to get fired, I mean why is no one taking about the qb sneak he called in his own 3 yard line????
You never know, "A riptide of gobbledygook" may become a common expression, at least in football.
“GOBBLEDYGOOK” is the perfect word to describe this organization for the last 6 years and the last couple of Tom Coughlin’s & Eli Manning’s reign.
Why is when Daniel Jones doesn't do good is because he didn't have a good OL, but when Eli didn't do good it was Eli's fault? In 2017 the Giants OL sucked. After the third game they didn't have any WR's. The WR corp put together had a TOTAL of 12 NFL catches. Not TD's, -- CATCHES. Eli had to show them how to run routes. Sure in 2008 Eli had a pretty good team, but it was all Eli. Who were his WR's. Manningham came later, but he couldn't run routes. There was Steve Smith. What ever happened to him when he left for greener pastures? Kevin Boss was good for the Giants.
Rich said it all, I just hope the owners hear this message.
I’m an architect. 🤣🤣🤣
"Our culture is damn good!"
- People Who Are About To Be Fired
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
As a Patriots fan, I hope Flores coaches the Giants so he stops owning us in Miami. :)
I gave this a like before watching anything. Just the title deserves a thumbs up! 👍
As a Eagles fan this entire situation has delighted me to no end!. As a Penn State fan and alum, the fact that they wasted Saquon Barkley's best years is just sad and pathetic.
Keep going Rich, I am new here. FYI: ELTINGVILLE IN THE HOUSE BABY!
It's okay Rich, I was born in Waterloo, my mom and sister in Rochester!
I'm in marketing and consulting talking about marketing and consulting 🤣🤣🤣
For my uncle Brut. RIP. Pat's fan here.
Harbaugh would be perfect in New York. No fucks given. Lets go
Apparently, even with their weak roster, they have no cap space for next year. Doubt any coach like Harbaugh would want to go there with no money to grab FA talent to sure up their deficiencies.
Nope
Riptide of Gobbledygook is a great fantasy football team name
Rich- I rarely call for anyone's job *But Does It Yearly when a team is that bad* .... Stop acting self righteous Rich
Doesn’t take long to get tired of hearing you talk
YOU MUST BUY YOUR MEDIUM SODA!!!
Well Said
I think Rich just compared Joe Judge to Enron.
I still think back the many player retirements prior to the start of the season.
Loved Mario Manningham in college. Awesome name.
We name our faults in others....the "clown show" fiasco was a classic example of this maxim.
The Gmen are already $2 million over the cap for next season. GL with the renovations.
All this doesn't matter when we have an owner that puts family in roles that decide which players get scouted and drafted the issue is the Mara's. They are like Jerry Jones without fhe public interviews, unless Tisch buys them out or they sell their portion of the team this will continue.
“Surrender formation.” Indeed.
"A Riptide of Gobbledygook" should be the title of Joe Judge's memoirs. But I'm sure with a name like Joe Judge, there should be more ideas. You be the judge (groan!) of that. Feel free to add to this. I won't Judge.
The guy is gone. Let it go.
As a lifelong Giants fan, I just got 2 words for Joe Judge... GOOD RIDDANCE!
The Giants ownership is all about the Good Ol Boy Network when it comes to coaching. There is no diversity in their coaching staff. They keep going to the same well and expect different water.
Well said!
The whole "Eli isn't effective anymore" thing makes me sick in hindsight. You don't think he does exactly what Philip Rivers does in Indy last year if he goes to a decent team? The roster in hindsight was the problem, just like it was as it was happening.
Judge makes Ray Handley and Ben McAdoo look stellar.
adam gase's jets news conf vs. mcadoo's giant news conf when they first got hired......which one made you more uncomfortable?
at least Joe got there. Can always say he was hired
as head coach of an NFL franchise. Hope he's back soon,
wasn't an easy situation.
If you’re forced to address your team’s deficiencies, but refuse to blame the players, absence of QB, etc… what comes out is going to be a stammering, rambling mess of non-sequiturs. The guy didn’t say ‘hey! Mike Glennon sucks,’ or ‘Daniel Jones’, and for that he ought to be commended.
The moment I saw McAdoo in that oversized Sears and Roebuck suit I knew it was an omen. Hand to God.
Gobbledygook is one of my favorite words…
Maybe the next Giants coach will be a success! About time!
I was waiting for Joe Judge to say “only in America!” and laugh like Don King.