The Most Basic(and Inexpensive) In-Ear Monitor Setup!

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  • Опубликовано: 3 янв 2025

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  • @Johnmike
    @Johnmike  6 лет назад +30

    What kind of IEM system do you have? How is yours setup? Let me know in the comments!

    • @michaelroman1293
      @michaelroman1293 5 лет назад +2

      John Mike Here's a thing we don't run In-Ears we just use monitors like the speakers next to us and we run stereo.

    • @a.dejager7062
      @a.dejager7062 5 лет назад +3

      I created 6 stereo busses on 12 outputs of my X32. We run them in 6 Behringer P1's. Every member controls his/her mix by tablet and everyone is happy!

    • @nathancanada6836
      @nathancanada6836 5 лет назад +1

      John Mike SHURE SE215

    • @xxxzaeg535
      @xxxzaeg535 4 года назад

      Hi! I need your help quickly, can you use the same setup but just switch the wired which a wireless in ear system? Thanks.

    • @langetlikisorma
      @langetlikisorma 3 года назад

      This was just the video I was looking for . Thanks John

  • @thewavyartist242
    @thewavyartist242 6 лет назад +43

    I’ve been wondering for so long how to do a simple setup this helps out a lot. Your videos are truly a blessing!!

  • @petersams5054
    @petersams5054 4 года назад +19

    3:42, converting stereo source to mono. No. Don't do this. That adaptor will short the Right to ground and you'll only hear the Left channel of the source in mono. Instead use a dual 1/4" cable and put each into the Left of channel 2 & 3. Plugging into only the Left input will cause the signal to be sent mono to the main buss. Ch2 will be the Left source, Ch3 will be the right source.

    • @cheath432
      @cheath432 2 года назад +2

      Can you better explain this? I am running monitor mix out of left channel and sending the right out to the house. I have a mono headphone adapter in the left out but I’m still only hearing stuff in my left ear. Thanks in advance!

  • @josephbullock7483
    @josephbullock7483 6 лет назад +19

    This answered a lot of questions thanks for looking out for the budget musician lol

  • @LeadLightMinistries
    @LeadLightMinistries Год назад +2

    This helped so much, thank you

  • @officialjls
    @officialjls 3 дня назад

    Do I connect the mixer to the speaker by the keyboard and organ at my church to get the sound?

  • @dangore4881
    @dangore4881 6 лет назад +14

    Thanks this first video I’ve seen that addressed the elite core in ear pack that allows you to use a good xlr cable instead of the cheap headphones extension cables that were giving me all kinds of static and don’t hold up - thanks for the help on this. I use a Mackie Mix 5 mini mixer works great also for about $59.

  • @brywool
    @brywool 5 лет назад +2

    Where do u Input the Aux send from the main mixer so that you hear everyone else?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      In any open input on the mixer

  • @xxxzaeg535
    @xxxzaeg535 4 года назад +5

    Hi! I need your help quickly, can you use the same setup but just switch the wired which a wireless in ear system? Thank

  • @mulletATheart
    @mulletATheart 2 года назад +1

    This is exactly what I needed. Thanks!

  • @kylekaminski7267
    @kylekaminski7267 2 года назад +2

    Mike! I have a question about setting up a personal IEM system for me. Wanted your opinion on how to do so. Please forgive me if you had mentioned it in this video already. But I'm a drummer looking to use my own personal IEM setup. I wanted to bypass the house mixer and use something compact and portable. Can I run a small 4 channel mixer with a room microphone and a set of IEM's. Any advice would be very appreciated. Thank you and God bless.

  • @JoshuaJude-n9k
    @JoshuaJude-n9k Месяц назад

    Can you use a sound card for the in ear

  • @PanoramaUnion
    @PanoramaUnion 4 года назад +7

    Great video! I have a question. Can i use regular basic 5$ earbuds (that i use for my phone to listen music) or do i need special IEMs? I just want to monitor my vocal back, no other instruments.

    • @isabelrodriguez9780
      @isabelrodriguez9780 2 года назад +1

      I have the same question!

    • @PanoramaUnion
      @PanoramaUnion 2 года назад +2

      @@isabelrodriguez9780 yes you can, the connections are the same , professional IEM has better speakers and different look thats all.

    • @isabelrodriguez9780
      @isabelrodriguez9780 2 года назад

      @@PanoramaUnion Thank you so much!!!!!

  • @Deadites_shall_rise
    @Deadites_shall_rise Год назад

    Hi,thanks for this....im struggling hearing myself during live and this is the solution for my prob

  • @brokenvail
    @brokenvail 6 лет назад +10

    That 1/4 to xlr cable is not stereo. It is summing your stereo signal to mono over the xlr. Rest of the video is interesting

  • @Rblxwurfav
    @Rblxwurfav 3 года назад +1

    Is it possible to run 2 x in ear monitors from the mixer? We'd be playing tracks with click from iphone via sound cloud. my son can listen/play along and I can listen in too.

    • @Ahla-et
      @Ahla-et 2 года назад

      You would need a splitter for 2 people on one mixer

  • @MrQmoore1
    @MrQmoore1 5 лет назад +2

    I have been trying for like months to find information on running a simple system like this but have 3 to 4 talk back mics and still be ale to run I ears for tracks.. if you can making a video to help me out I would greatly appreciate it

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      It would be the same concept as this video... ruclips.net/video/cqm565UOm0I/видео.html but you need a bigger stage mixer with 3-4 mic inputs

  • @dylanporter8105
    @dylanporter8105 Год назад

    This might be a dumb question but what where and how would you connect this to? I'm looking to set up a cheap mixing console for recording reharsal and monitoring 4/5 people and just not sure how to connect this from the mixer and if it would need to have a special connector on the main mixer to go out if for 4/5 headphones

  • @gusrivers3958
    @gusrivers3958 4 года назад +2

    Nice! Would I need the mono adapter if I am just trying to hear myself? Currently, I am running loops just blasting from a speaker. My goal is just to be able to plug my earphones into the mixer and just hear the loop inside my headphones.

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  4 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  4 года назад +1

      Yes

    • @GusOnDrums
      @GusOnDrums 4 года назад

      @@Johnmike Thank you, sir. I have been tying learning this for two years now.

  • @LANDOYT
    @LANDOYT 4 года назад +1

    Could I run the behringer mixer to a headphone amp then to the pack to send the same signal out 4 ways ?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  4 года назад

      Yes

    • @LANDOYT
      @LANDOYT 4 года назад

      John Mike Sweet💪🏾 and this is a stereo IEM system meaning panning in drums and stems is reflected on the ears ?

  • @zzush
    @zzush Год назад

    Thanks Man! very helpful video.

  • @otephkhael2167
    @otephkhael2167 5 лет назад +1

    It is posible to use a behringer pm1 to this set up? It is applicable or not? Thank u

  • @ItzDanielSoftware
    @ItzDanielSoftware 5 лет назад +1

    how do I do this if I'm a vocalist? The mic goes to the PA, but how do I send it back to this sub mixer?

  • @LanzaMartineta
    @LanzaMartineta 4 года назад +1

    Really helpful, I just bought Yamaha TH amp, I want to monitor vocals. Not sure how I would work it. But this is cool.

  • @gianrussel5163
    @gianrussel5163 5 лет назад +2

    is this good for bassist?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад +1

      Good for any musician

  • @stanleyrichardslanka2750
    @stanleyrichardslanka2750 3 года назад

    But how to get to hear my instrument channnel dominantly?? Should I use the aux send to this iem amp??

  • @ethanprice5972
    @ethanprice5972 4 года назад +1

    Can I make this work with the mixer you used: I want to be able to play audio source (laptop) into mixer and out to a speaker(s) as well as my IEM. I have a 3.5M to RCA adapter that I would assume I could plug into the 2-Track L/R INPUT from my laptop for audio source. And then would plug 6.5M cable from LINE OUT to guitar amp/speaker and then 6.5M adapter to my IEM. That way I could play audio source through loud speaker but still have audio in my IEM to play to.

  • @Ptpop
    @Ptpop 5 лет назад +1

    I am a solo performer and my mixer is within arms reach. Couldn't I just plug in a headset into the headphone on the mixer and achieve the same thing without purchasing the Behringer Powerplay PM1 1-Ch Personal In-ear Monitor Beltpack?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад +1

      Yup you sure can...this setup would be best for someone that doesn’t have the mixer in arms reach and doesn’t want a headphone extension weighing them down

    • @Ptpop
      @Ptpop 5 лет назад

      John Mike awesome! I was looking at the Hotspot monitor. You saved me $300. Thank you!!

  • @Princefresh77
    @Princefresh77 6 лет назад +5

    Wouldn’t the whole system work just as well without the in ear pack ? So u just plug your in ears straight to the mixer

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  6 лет назад +1

      Yes ive done it like that for years...but the purpose of using the IEM pack is to give you some extra distance away from the mixer because headphone extensions pull on your neck and so you can have volume control from your belt without having to reach over to the mixer or so you and a drummer can share the same mix from the headphone jack but still have independent control over volume

    • @CarloCastillo
      @CarloCastillo 6 лет назад

      @@Johnmike excellent point! And you're right, technically you can set it up without the IEM pack. But at this price point, the reason you just gave is worth a ton considering the extra flexibility it gives you. Bravo!

  • @harryburfield536
    @harryburfield536 2 года назад

    Could I use this set up for my whole band?

  • @motifator722
    @motifator722 5 лет назад +2

    How can I include a singer microphone from the FOH mixer on my sub mixer to this setup? I also have my keyboards on the sub mixer

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад +1

      You need to have a line ran to you from FOH

    • @motifator722
      @motifator722 5 лет назад

      Thanks!

  • @fm-er3gc
    @fm-er3gc 2 года назад

    I know this is late, But I have a stage monitor next to me (i’m a drummer) and I’m tryna figure out if i can plug headphones into it. It has no 3.5mm jack or Auxliary jack. It has just a line input

  • @backwoodsbushcraftingbaffo9400
    @backwoodsbushcraftingbaffo9400 4 года назад

    Fantastic video my friend! This is a fairly complicated subject if its not simplified! You nailed it!

  • @davidalanmors3233
    @davidalanmors3233 2 года назад

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge, man

  • @pawikan89
    @pawikan89 4 года назад

    Where do you connect your amplifier to the mixer? Im kinda new to all the mixing boards and such

  • @kedreanadamsthedrummer7238
    @kedreanadamsthedrummer7238 2 года назад

    So I can still set this up ?? using a behringer X32?

  • @Sorazfr
    @Sorazfr 3 года назад

    Do you still need the headphone amp if you're not moving around?

  • @gusrivers3958
    @gusrivers3958 4 года назад +1

    Does the elite core work with basic headphones?

  • @kamynsk3263
    @kamynsk3263 8 месяцев назад

    Can this setup be used for two people?

  • @tyniddy23
    @tyniddy23 5 лет назад +1

    How would it work if you're running your tracks thru an interface such as focusrite?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад +1

      Just run your interface into the mixer...both the left and right channels...split the signal using pan on the mixer channels

    • @tyniddy23
      @tyniddy23 5 лет назад

      @@Johnmike ok thanks a lot!!

    • @steve_matin
      @steve_matin 3 года назад

      @@Johnmike Do you need a mixer? Can't you just run the focusrite into your DAW and run your IEMs out of the focusrite headphone jack?

  • @jermainebrownx
    @jermainebrownx 3 года назад

    So would we need multiple in ear packs to get everyone on that? If that makes sense.

    • @ip0ts
      @ip0ts 2 года назад

      One for each player

  • @NatheanD
    @NatheanD 4 года назад

    I would need some simple information. I don't know if what I'm going to ask you is achievable or not. I live with several people and therefore when I play the guitar I embarrass them because my room is not well soundproofed and therefore even if I am at a "normal" volume they can hear. So my goal is simple: to have the sound of my amp in my headphones but I could simply have plugged them into the jack of my amp but when I do the sound is very very weak and they sizzle more than anything else ( I want to say that I do not have headphones in 6.5 and therefore I use an adapter), and when I play I am 1.50-2 meters from my amp so the cable is not long enough. So I would like to know if I am using a wireless in-ear system can I only hear the amp from a distance? For example if I take the T.bone IEM 75 system that I plug it in mono on the "headphone" jack of the amp is that I could use it just like that or do you have another solution so that I can play with headphones remotely without disturbing anyone?

  • @b3taw0lfvfx46
    @b3taw0lfvfx46 Год назад

    what iems did he use?

  • @jpgutierrez5799
    @jpgutierrez5799 4 года назад

    I got where you plug in the PM1 but now you have to plug in the mixer into the board or snake right? What kind of chord do you use and where does it plug into the mixer?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  4 года назад

      It can be a regular xlr cable...it just depends on what kind of input is on your mixer or snake

  • @jeremyhamilton7719
    @jeremyhamilton7719 3 года назад

    I have a PA system, is there a way to hook my iPhone up through pa and have in ears and be able to turn up or down the volume of the in ears?

  • @redbreadavocado4482
    @redbreadavocado4482 2 года назад

    Hey John. Thanks for the video! How would I be able to specifically set up a click track on a mixer like this? What resources would I need?

  • @josephbullock7483
    @josephbullock7483 6 лет назад +2

    I have a harbringer 6 channel $ 49 at guitar center shure 215 in ears $99

  • @MrOcir73
    @MrOcir73 3 года назад

    how about wireless iem? how do you connect it?

  • @michaelroman1293
    @michaelroman1293 5 лет назад +1

    Okay so in my worship team it's only Keys and a drummer and we use monitors speakers but sometimes that doesn't help so how can I setup in ears just for me and my drummer?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      Use this same method...just get a headphone splitter or use one of the the other outs on the mixer for the drummer

  • @zanisbordo2651
    @zanisbordo2651 2 года назад

    Would it be possible for me as a drummer to just plug my earphones straight into the mixer? with an adapter of course, but like is it possible to skip the amplifier?

    • @Paviche
      @Paviche 2 года назад

      I did that but the volume from the mixer phones really low that I can't hear almost anything, did you try it out already?

    • @zanisbordo2651
      @zanisbordo2651 2 года назад

      @@Paviche yeah it works ok for me 👌🏼😉

    • @Paviche
      @Paviche 2 года назад

      @@zanisbordo2651 I will try to find out what is wrong with it, thank's

  • @drums2drums
    @drums2drums Год назад

    Very helpful ❤😍😍

  • @axe_of_elohim6005
    @axe_of_elohim6005 3 года назад

    Hello MR Mike , I am planning to set up a home studio at home , I know how to handle all Mike but I don't know how to get moniter effect through head set while recording at home... As all they do in professional studios

  • @JoelDuntin
    @JoelDuntin 4 года назад

    Hi John. Is there a way to get a little bit of the tracks with the click? Just for reference? It's the part of the puzzle I'm struggling to work out. I use the Prime app running out of a ipad. I know you have a lot of experience with that. Thank you.

  • @michaelthomas9028
    @michaelthomas9028 2 года назад

    Thanks for this tutorial! Quick question, can I omit the headphone in ear pack and simply plug my IEM’s right into the headphone jack on the mixer? Also do I simply run a line from the aux input on the snake to the mixer or do I need an amp in order to generate sound for the headphones?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  2 года назад

      Naa you can plug straight in

  • @LexaTerrestrialx
    @LexaTerrestrialx 3 месяца назад

    you may have saved my ass thousands of dollars, fr, i knew it could be cheaper and didn't require much so fr thank you... & I don't give a damn if u don't know the name of a balanced vs unbalanced quarter inch whatever tf.. your video was the easy and most to the point! 🤟🏼👽

  • @morbiddaydream2948
    @morbiddaydream2948 5 лет назад

    How would you set this up so you could hear your mic, the singer and your instrument?

    • @ropodope
      @ropodope 4 года назад

      get a rolls PM55p. aux out from mixer to rolls input. output to headphones, IEM's or out to a wireless receiver and take full control of the overall mix and more me vocals mix taking it out of the hands of the FOH guy. done. has a ground lift switch and a limiter as well with a mic thru. sweet.

  • @ajsmith4181
    @ajsmith4181 5 лет назад +1

    Thank you for this tutorial John!! Quick question: Me and a band mate are wanting to use IEM’s such as this connector with a Alto ZMX 862 mixer so I was wondering if using two sets of in ear’s how would we configure this on the mixer? Thanks again, I’m definitely a newbie

    • @WillDrew02
      @WillDrew02 5 лет назад

      You only have one headphone output on the Alto so I would suggest getting a headphone amplifier to send to different in ears. You obviously won't be able to get different mixes as you don't have busses on the Alto but you can control the master headphone level individually on the headphone amp. Here's an idea of what im talking about. Let me know if that was the answer you were looking for www.gear4music.com/PA-DJ-and-Lighting/Mackie-HM-4-Headphone-Amplifier/2B0T?origin=product-ads&campaign=PLA+Shop+-+GENERIC&adgroup=GENERIC&medium=vertical_search&network=google&merchant_id=1279443&product_id=107597d1&product_country=GB&product_partition_id=644902077543&gclid=Cj0KCQiAn8nuBRCzARIsAJcdIfM53qS8Fd-McUn8WlwbavDvXmbBpFx9IMSI3PlxjKY3yKJ0pgcX0z8aAoIWEALw_wcB

  • @maggiemiles6286
    @maggiemiles6286 4 года назад

    could i run a roland SDP pad through this?

  • @edsn0124
    @edsn0124 4 года назад

    Hello, how do you power up your xenyx mixer?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  3 года назад

      I just plugged it up...nothing special

  • @davidjones4452
    @davidjones4452 2 года назад

    thanks for the video

  • @peteryousef5177
    @peteryousef5177 2 года назад

    please if i have a personal monitor mixer ( hear back ) how can i connect to analog mixer
    my mixer yamaha MG 166 c

  • @peteryousef5177
    @peteryousef5177 2 года назад

    hello, please i have question. if i connect Trs to 1/4" Male TRS to 1/4" Female TS Insert Direct-Out Adapter ? can change insert to work a direct our ?
    or
    sec ,way if i connect TRS male to adapter Ts female to trs male. can change the insert to work a direct out ?
    my mixer yamaha MG 166 c

  • @oscaracosta2697
    @oscaracosta2697 5 лет назад

    Question, why cant you plug your in-ears directly to the phone jack and skip the in ear amp?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      You can...but most cables aren’t long enough...and even if they are...the stretch of the cable pulls on the back of your neck...secondly having a pack clipped on your belt it’s quicker and more convenient to adjust your volume from there than to reach over to adjust via your mixer...

    • @Paviche
      @Paviche 2 года назад

      I did that but the volume from the phones mixer too low I can't hear almost anything, i don't know why

  • @rossman265
    @rossman265 8 месяцев назад

    A question can I use apple earplugs as a monitor. I tried with my focusrite and it will not work.i

  • @Timmy-f3d
    @Timmy-f3d 5 лет назад

    I bought this exact same gear except I am using my yamaha mixer. My Sure SE 215 ears are only getting a signal on the left side. Panning doesn’t help. I am using a mic as an input. What am I doing wrong?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      I would look at the headphone adapter you are using...it needs to be a mono adapter

  • @clenncapuchino
    @clenncapuchino 2 года назад

    Hey Mike! Love your videos. I'm thinking if you could use the elite core or the Behringer PM1 with a dynamic mic wireless system like a XVive U3, to make it wireless. I wonder if it works well.

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  2 года назад

      Never tried it personally but it could possibly work

  • @racingbarrow3794
    @racingbarrow3794 5 лет назад +3

    OK Mike what if I just want to run that mixer to the house so I can hear the house run back into my headphones sound instead of my keys and stuff and ran through the mix

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      Then you need create a aux line mix on the house mixer with what you want to hear and run a line from that aux out into your stage mixer

    • @MWD19862809
      @MWD19862809 4 года назад

      @@Johnmike hey whats up can explain that one more time. Cause how i have it set up at church is the following.
      We bridged 2 mixer to have extra channels. Mixer 1 is the main with vocals. Mixer 2 sub mixer has the drums keys, bass, and click which is connected using a snake cable.So i have on the snake box channel 1 keys, channel 2-4 overhead,snare, and kick, channel 6 is click and channel 8 bass but thats going to the house.I have a small mixer by me to actually play the click track thats connect to a di box ran from channel 6 on the snake box.but i want to hook it up where i can hear everything from the house in my personal mixer.

  • @MusiCliques
    @MusiCliques 5 лет назад

    VFM Group I bought PM1 and used it recently. The volume is too soft and even my wedge sounded way louder. I did turned up the volume knob for both mixer board and pm01 to max, however it's still very soft. My IEM is Shure 215. Any advice? Is it because it's passive so it's limited to the volume output?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      I’m not too sure...I get pretty good volume out of mine...I’m on a pretty loud stage and I sit right next to the drummer

    • @MusiCliques
      @MusiCliques 5 лет назад

      @@Johnmike thanks for your prompt reply John. For PM 1, is it compulsory to plug it into 'Phone' jack on the mixer? I tried it and there wasn't any sound coming out. Alternatively, I tried it on the Output (under speakers, SEND), however they were not plugged in, it does provide sound but just very low volime

  • @Kobi.3x
    @Kobi.3x 5 лет назад +1

    How to setup simple talk back mic

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  5 лет назад

      Check this video...using the same mixer ruclips.net/video/cqm565UOm0I/видео.html

  • @Bobby_Uterus
    @Bobby_Uterus 4 года назад +2

    Thanks Ice T

  • @12cribbj
    @12cribbj 4 года назад +1

    What’s up bro, my question is do you plug this in to the main mixer? Or just use this for strictly keys, talk back mic and track?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  4 года назад

      I run it into the main house mixer via direct box from the stage...

  • @KiyomiJYP
    @KiyomiJYP 6 месяцев назад

    But what if I want to dance with them what do I buy then

  • @consi1233
    @consi1233 5 лет назад +3

    How about the focusrite plssss tutorial

  • @SavedPulley
    @SavedPulley 2 года назад

    God bless u brother. Great video. Likeing and Subbing

  • @chasecottrell8984
    @chasecottrell8984 6 лет назад

    Do you have to have mics for a in-ears?

    • @Johnmike
      @Johnmike  6 лет назад

      Yea I use a separate talkback mic plugged into the mixer

  • @mateoreyes-lopez4057
    @mateoreyes-lopez4057 2 года назад

    Should I still get a mixer if I play at a nightclub

  • @louisg3598
    @louisg3598 6 месяцев назад

    Dude try some decaf ;-)

  • @DavidGonzalez-ld6cm
    @DavidGonzalez-ld6cm 5 лет назад

    Alguien tiene todo lo que dice pero en español

    • @HaroldAgosto
      @HaroldAgosto 5 лет назад

      David Gonzalez Saludos David, escucha mi podcast Drums En Español donde hablo de opciones para in ears y otros temas. anchor.fm/drumsenespanol

    • @santiagoarciniegas722
      @santiagoarciniegas722 Год назад

      ño

  • @robertlucas9867
    @robertlucas9867 4 года назад

    I wouldn’t recommend Beringer products. They break down quick and your out of money. Better to spend an extra $10-20 for a Mackie, Yamaha, etc that will last.

  • @discern_witness
    @discern_witness Год назад +4

    I think you have it the wrong way around. Mono is single ear, Stereo is multi-source. So stereo is both ears.

  • @CarloCastillo
    @CarloCastillo 6 лет назад

    The mono plug is the TRS (tip-ring-sleeve) plug. The stereo plug is TRRS (tip-ring-ring-sleeve). Obviously referring to the rings (or how many there are when you look at the actual plug).
    Otherwise, very cool and informative! More power to you!

  • @cydneymulally5337
    @cydneymulally5337 4 года назад

    You sound like Ice T 😋

  • @meherbaba-godinhumanform7926
    @meherbaba-godinhumanform7926 Год назад

    💗💗😍😍💕💕

  • @hitman_s1
    @hitman_s1 2 года назад +7

    This dude spent 6 minutes saying nothing at all