Paul Ince On The "Cardinal Sin" Of Joining Liverpool After Playing For Man Utd | talkSPORT
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- Опубликовано: 26 ноя 2023
- Paul Ince talks to Jim White about the "cardinal sin" of joining Liverpool after playing for Manchester United. And which is the bigger club?
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People seem to forget the double in 93/94 where Keane and Ince played together for most of the season and Robbo only started 10 games. They were brilliant together. Ince was sold because fergie didn’t like players that he perceived were getting too big for their boots. Ince was a top class player.
Plus he was Michael Owens bodyguard.... But yeah..Great player and much needed at the time ..We certainly needed some steel in our MF back then
Paul Ince straight from Dagenham what a warrior he was for us at United sorry for the way it ended but thankful for the things youve done 👏🏼
iNCE is a london boy, went to my high school
Actually ilford Essex lol
yes Mayfield high school@@mattyd5932
Ince was a seriously underrated player
The reason he is a forgotten player is because he went to Liverpool. I wish he stayed at United until the end, like Keane..
Always loved Incey in that United shirt.Great player with great attitude.
Paul Ince got to play for a prime United, an at-the-time brilliant Inter, and a very good Liverpool team in the space of 10 years. Doesn’t get much better than that!
I love Ince as a player. He was superb for us at Liverpool and he was superb at for England and at Utd. Great player.
Superb at liverpool.. ? The man was a shithouse and à waste of space
@@richardmaddog1110 Ok troll.
What? Was he that good at Liverpool?
Inch looks great for 60
He has not long turned 57
I dont think Ince could of gone straight from Utd to Liverpool even if he wanted to, Fergie would never of sanctioned that.
Loved Ince at Utd and wished he never left. Seeing him in a Liverpool shirt hurt
Adored Paul Ince as Liverpool FC captain even though he play for you lot. That's your problem, not ours.
@@noodletwenty2807 What was your favourite trophy he helped Liverpool win?
He won a lot at utd, nothing at liverpool and was only there 2 years, was a regular attendee at OT throughout Incey's utd career, gave it all and was prolific at hitting the framework at first lol
He was hard but in football terms and a lovely lad.
@@noodletwenty2807he made his name at Utd pal, and won his medals at Utd, that's Utd's fault and not yours 😉👊🏼🇾🇪👊🏼👍🏻
Great player for United ,when i first saw paul playing for the hammers i wanted him in Uniteds team ,nothing against him playing for Liverpool, met him shopping 30 years ago ,Thomas in pram ,my daughter in a pram ,Paul was so friendly ,and his wife good luck to them.
Owen and Ince are the two sides of the same coin. Both fanbases have disdain for them and neither can properly claim to be a legend for United or Liverpool respectively.
Not every player has to be called legend. He was a good player for us, simple.
Paul Ince and Michael Owen can not be classed as legend because they are still living.
Owen is a Liverpool legend for what he did at Liverpool no doubt. Ince a man utd legend for what he did at man utd. Played well for Liverpool too, Owen was well past his prime and bit part player for Utd. Fans are ruled by their emotions but objectively both are legends in their own right
legends can be alive. Stan Bowles is a legend - he is still alive. Ince just full of it , like Beckham . Both top players , both had to go. Ince should not have worn the Man U shirt when still a West Ham player - total lack of respect.
I may be wrong but I think it also has to do with how they connected with the fans. I don't think Owen connected with the fans the same way Fowler or Gerrard did. I don't know how Ince connected with either fan base, so I can't really speak on that.
Ince was one hell of a player for us. Loved playing for United. Just a shame it ended with him being forced out as it's clear he never wanted to leave United. That midfield pairing of Keane & Ince was incredible with Robson in there aswell it was petty much unbeatable. Ince left due to him getting too big for his boots as we all know Fergie didn't like those kinda players lmao
United should have kept him, cos he was 27, 28 and at his peak. I think he was a better player than Nicky Butt.
@@user-js3cr6wu7g Butt was an upcoming midfielder as part of the Class of 92 who was a very good midfielder himself. Maybe we should've kept Ince but at the same time Butt ended up having a very fine career at United so I can't complain too much
I thought he missed the chance to do a take on the Jimmy Greaves quote and say West Ham fans think Liverpool or Man. U are the biggest club, but then he goes one better. 😂
You can’t take the Hammer out of the player. Good on ya Incey.
Incey was right up there with the best midfielders we ever had. It’s hard to call him a United legend, even though he should be in that bracket, but the Liverpool move can’t be forgotten, even tho I hold no ill will as a United fan, I know Incey never wanted to leave in the first place, he was forced out, but it still can’t be forgotten. Great, great player tho. Every bit as good as Roy Keane.
He absolutely was not as good as keane
Same way we feel about owen
Bottled it at the end pal
@@docholiday-lm4vfhe was better than Keane. As much as I love Keano, Incey was a better all round player. But Roy ended up being our greatest captain.
@@docholiday-lm4vf tell me what Keane done better? Ince was a phenomenal player, better engine than Keane, box to box, could tackle, better at bursting through midfield, could score, assist. Incey scored some spectacular goals, better striker of a ball than Keane. Keane had very little on Incey, except maybe leadership and discipline, and not being as gung-ho.
loving all the Ince support he was such a great player if he spent his entire career in the premier league era he would be up there in the best players of his position ever in the league
He is. He was part of the United team that started their period of domination. He was only in Serie A for two seasons.
Nobody has gone direct between the clubs in nearly 60 years. Was utterly surreal seeing Ince in a Liverpool jersey, likewise Owen in a Man U one.
Phil Chisnall in the early 60s Utd > Liverpool
For a couple of seasons before Ince joined inter Milan, he was the best player in the league.
Even venables could not justify not putting him in the team.
Utd legend he was really good for Liverpool too.
I remember when Liverpool signed him I was over the moon
He was fine for Liverpool
I didn't really appreciated Ince as a player, but he was among the best in his position in the world and he seems like a real down-to-earth person. His story is an inspiration for all the youth around the world.
Ince, what a class player you were sir, would love you at United now
Liverpool fans very rarely boo the players, this is so so true.
That was great listening and Carl is a proper scouser on wind up every opportunity.. belter
I hold no grudge against the guv'nor for playing for Liverpool. He was a fantastic player for us and I would never have sold him in the first place. Top bloke.
He didnt go from MUFC to Liverpool he went from Inter to Liverpool it's different
the game in the clip was 1-1 at Old Trafford. Owen and Ronnie Johnsen scored.
The Fergie team talk was prior to the April ‘98 game against Liverpool at OT. Ended 1-1. I’m sure Owen got sent off in that match as well.
Spot on
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Villa 7
was at the game where he equalised in front of the Kop in 99...was quite pleasant after hearing the away mob chanting "too f***ing easy" at 2-0 up
You shouldn't listen to idiots.
I don't listen to hypocrites either
I loved ince at Liverpool one of my favourite midfielders
What’s Jim White keep grinning at , is he back on the booze ?
I like Incey but i gotta be honest and say i was glad Fergie had a clear out that year and rebuilt the Team with the Class of 92, I feel we need to do that again and Play Mainoo and Hannibal more & sell Anthony and And a couple of the older players.
Funny isn't it. Ince is well respected by both sets of fans but Owen lost it with the Liverpool fan base.
Ince I not respected by United fans. Not at all.
He was booed for years, if you was there then you know, no one forgets or disrespects his time at utd but joining the enemy didn't sit well, same as some scousers with owen at utd
I think it was the 1-1 game near the end of 1997/98 where MichaelOwen was trying to injure every ManUtd player he could he injured Johnsen who had scored the opening goal and Owen scored the equaliser after also being lucky to escape a sending off for fouling Schmeichel, eventually got sent off but not before equalising and causing injuries.
Ferguson shouldn't of sold Ince, he was a top midfielder and was underrated
After what united achieved especially in 4 years he would have stayed for if he had got his extra 4 years he wanted it was justified
Paul ince was an incredible Player....
I'd rate Incey above Keano actually as a player
Ferguson tarnished his reputation because of this big time charlie persona that was circulating in the press at the time
Great player loved him at United - gutted when he signed for Liverpool but at the end of the day he’s gotta look after his best interests
so it was same situation as when fabregas went to chelsea, arsenal had first refusal but had just signed mesut ozil
Paul Ince is such a nice fella. Really smart answers there
both fighters are class
Eh?
Something special at Anfield..Ince couldn't resist.
Lack of Ambition towards the end of his career
The bigger club im not interested in because you take into account commercial revenue and all this, probably man utd
The more interesting question is who is the better club and its liverpool hands down. Man utd just dont support like liverpool, they dont have games like liverpool and theyre not scouse like liverpool. Man utd are a bang average club who has had success. Liverpool is a different feel.
The definition of a so called “Big Time Charlie” is a carefree & convivial person given to frequent pursuit of fun & amusement… I would say thats a misquotation.. Paul Ince was a great professional quality player 👏 a so called “Big Time Charlie” would more suit the persona & profile of Lee Sharpe! 🍻 🕺
I suppose its a similar situation with Michael Owen. How do Liverpool fans feel about him playing for Manu?
It was a massive set up.
Fergie signed him to piss Liverpool off.
And Owen signed for utd to piss Liverpool off Rodgers had the chance to re sign him
So he stuck his finger up .
I love Owen he was a brilliant servant he left because Madrid come calling we as a club wasn't competing consistently
I don't blame him for that .
I wasn't angry when he signed for utd I was more disappointed Rodgers snubbed him .
I understand why he done what he did so I havnt a problem with him at all
Legend.
IRONS 🤣🤣
💪⚒️🏆
Gave his all in our united shirt, but a certain roy keane was about to take over our midfield.. The move to Liverpool was not direct, so it wasn't as bad for us...
If I close my eyes then I can hear my old north London school dinner lady talking.
Love Incey ...top player and seems like a great bloke
Paul ince is awesome
Theres a theme ince went to Liverpool because he had won English leauge title already at united and knew he didnt have the pressure of winning a league at Liverpool as they had no chance.Owen was the opposite but both players won the league at united something LFC couldn't do for decades
Yeah but then liverpool won titles for 3 decades on the run in 60s, 70s and 80s and dominated the game and were the benchmark that you copied while during this time you were getting relegated so see ya later
Liverpool set the standard. Fergie's inspiration and motivation came from Liverpool's dominance. No Liverpool = no United.
@@AJ-nd4nk United was around before Liverpool existed,next
@@4857i United were the first club to win the European cup in England,,united were the first club to win the double double ,united were the first club to win the continental treble in English football, something you could never do , united were first club to win FIFA world club cup,so see you later!
@@diehard21000 united werent that good for 100 years to be honest with you mate. And fergie winning 2 european cups in a quarter of a century is also poor. Money come into the game and you made use of it, we never otherwise you’ll still be on 7 titles
Ince was some kind of footballer and a very good one.
Incey is always a good laugh
class act incey ( from a red ?!)
Even as a Liverpool fan, have to admit that Man Utd have the most global support.
Nah they're like the kardashians of football.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂@@barrycanavan6268
Basically global support vs trophies
Kinda ruined it with his over the top celebration when Liverpool drew with united in the treble season when he scored
Some lines you shoudnt really cross. Fantastic player though of course
Its was the Good Friday game 1-1 draw Owen Scored and got sent off
@5:34 when Ince forgets that the Busby Babes was United and not Liverpool....
Good stories
Liverpool the best city in the world
Grew up nearby, it isn't
Jim White is such a troll.
I like Paul . Give 100% in a UTD shirt.
Incey’s not giving himself enough credit. Yes, he worked hard; but he was also very talented.
I always saw ince as a Liverpool player and not a Man Utd player
He said it felt hollow winning at utd . Using dodgy refs just didn't feel the same. At least he admits they cheated
😂😂😂
At least he didn't have that problem at Liverpool. 😅 Yous couldn't even win with cheating
Lol. Triggered Liverpool fans with their 1 league title in 33 years piping up.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nnUnited went 1 in 30 years in the 50s.
@@AJ-nd4nk Wrong! You need to look it up,mate
Jim White needs to stop looking for these clickbait headlines that come from guests...such a poor interview technique. Ask better questions.
If I remember right Utd won 3 - 1 at Anfield.
Liverpool are a bigger club won more trophies ! And before anyone says they have more fans globally! Then let’s put it like this !
If all of a sudden West Brom got more fans globally than man United would you then say they were a bigger club? No of course not! so that’s why you go on who’s won the most trophies!
man utd have always been bigger
Even when losing. It's not even close
@@AllSeeingEyesMetal na Liverpool far bigger club , Got twice as many European cups for a start! Man United are a laughing stock!
@@RetroNintendo81doesn’t matter
You could win another tittle and europa this year and more people will still have watched United
@@AllSeeingEyesMetal who cares man Liverpool most successful English team ever ! 🤣🤣 cry harder!
@@RetroNintendo81 most people care
clearly more about Man Utd than Liverpool tho
Suck it up
You should have stayed in Inter with Ronaldo
Utd were always biggest supported club even their yr in 2nd div 74/75 season gates were bigger that season than any other club
Said like a true polititian
@@user-tn8uu2cu8g I only believe in Jesus christ and in Jesus only his blessed mother and all saints in heaven godless my friend
Paul ince doesn't remember scoring an equaliser at the kop end Vs his old club in a LEAGUE GAME and he doesn't know what a big time Charlie is haha.
Unless memory deceives me man u were winning 0-2 and it ended 2-2 with incies equaliser. At the time we thought it cost united the league... But they went on to win it.... It was the treble season.
Hated at West Ham. Hated at United. Not loved by Liverpool either.
Big time charlie
Jim wants the guy killed 😂
Politician Paul 😂
Fergie was concerned...rightly so Ince was class. But lets be honest United went on to win the treble. Fergie won again.
Who cares...even the players don´t care.
Irons
No Liverpool fans don't boo they Rob them or send death threats
Just shows the average mentality of the average football fan. Seriously who cares.
His reaction when he scored against us. Says it all about the man.
So when your rabble shout at him "big time charlie" at OT............double standards again!
Asking someone who has played for both Liverpool and United which team is bigger is a ridiculous premise.
Ask someone who knows nothing about football. They are both massive clubs with history. Ask any expert to choose and they can't. They are both massive clubs.
But don't ask. And listen.
Before the question is asked, a bad spell occurs at united. The press, pundits, players will all say Manchester United, "W 6:31 hats going on, they are supposed to be one of the.biggest clubs in the world!".
If Liverpool have a bad patch, it elicits the response, Liverpool aee going through a torrid time.
In the Premier League Era, as the game grew from a sport on a Saturday to almost everyday entertainment, United became number one again.
In the seventies and eighties when Liverpool won everything, United were still widely regarded around the world. From the Busby Babes, Munich and 68, United were best known, biggest.
When Liverpool turn up to play, teams want to win, it is a great result. When United turn up to play, it is the highlight of the season. It is the highlight for Liverpool fans, City fans. United want to beat both, and locally fans expected them too, but wotldwide, beatimg United seems to matter more than beating city or Liverpool.
Its not about results, trophies or even bragging rights. United are a class above. Fact. The game at that level is almost ad much about perception as performance.
And the media, including talk sport are obsessed. Liverpool and City have played each other in the past week. A massive game in the title race. Look through the list of videos in the past fortnight, month, see which team gets the most videos made, which team is used in the title to entice clicks. On the world wide web.
United.
And after all of it, the football matters too.
City and Liverpool play. Everton scamdalously punished, Arsenal.somehow back top of the table.
And everybody in the media.
Garnacho scores the goal of the.season. United.
You can argue about who is more successful, playing better, in form. But aside from a decent period for a decade, the.answer as to who is biggest, to anyone outside Liverpool, would be United.
And going purely on the Premier League that took the British game truly global in scale, there is no comparison in terms of fans, finances, and players who would feature in an all time PL top 11.
Neville usually gets picked, not Carra. Keane, Scholes, Cantona, Ronaldo, Rooney Schmichael, all get chosen, or very close. Liverpool was Stevie Gerrard. All time greats.
But Liverpool. A great side, a great history, and with their share of tragedy and dignity. Not taking anything away from them, or their fans, but United are just bigger. They just are.
Yup even souness agrees
First time he's heard it my foot! Never scored at Old Trafford, never mind in the FA Cup. 98 was 1-1. the cup game which they lost with the two late goals he got subbed. I was sat a few seats away and asked him what he'd won recently, was trying to get a bite out of him, which worked. He lost the plot jumping up calling me a little... Brad Fridel was on the bench next to him and started chuckling, even your mates laughing at you Charlie. He was lucky he wasn't caught on camera, I also accept I may have been lucky he didn't decide to come over. The scousers didn't like him any more than we did.
Everton won everything in the 80s
Well look at the facts. Everyone remembers and celebrates, Keane and Robson etc. as Utd heroes. Ince’s name is not held in the same breath despite being a good player. Why, cause the fans don’t like traitors….
United and Liverpool hated each other off the pitch but they were never rivals on the pitch like Barca and Madrid or Inter and Milan ..
Stop trying so hard to make them some fierce rivalry which they weren't..
They weren't rivals on the pitch ? Tell me you arent a real Utd fan without telling me that you arent a real Utd fan, its not known as one of the fiercest rivalry's in football for no reason
You are a crank .
What are you on about? It’s the biggest rivalry in English football. 🤡
Paul, I am sorry the way it ended at United. We loved you, you were the best central mis fielder of the early 90's.
I am sorry your legacy in many eyes was ruined.
100% correct , the spice boys would have won things if they had a better mentality because their team had better players at the time.
Shd hve said liverpool utd fans dont like champagne charlie much these days shame he was great player but wasnt missed when scholes joined keane in middle
Even the premise illustrates how small minded and petty football fans are.
Im a Manchester United fan id have prime ince over Keane. Fantastic at breaking up opposition play.
Deep down he knows it's UNITED just does not want the Liverpool fans to hate him lol
Im Glad Paul Ince isnt a Man United Legend.. Just a Player who came and went.. Talks Shite about Manchester United anytime and everytime gets the Just to. Man Thinks he was Better Player Than he Was..
Nothing like ex-players, now failed managers (several times over), reminiscing about their past glories...
He never scored for Liverpool at Old Trafford
He did
@@stevenosullivan187when? 😂
@@jameshansing5396 about 98 ,an fa cup semi not against united but still at old Trafford
@@stevenosullivan187 😂😂😂😂😂 touché sir 😎👍🏆🏆🏆
@@stevenosullivan187 No he didn't
Ince ruined his legacy at Utd by playing for that scum
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The bitter traitor,
How is he bitter?