The Zimablade Review - Flexible, User Friendly AND Cheap...WHAT?
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
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Video Chapters
00:00 - The Start
00:15 - The Growing Middle Ground in NAS
01:00 - Introducing the Zimablade
01:25 - Remember the Zimaboard?
02:36 - Crowdfunding draws to a close
03:10 - INSANE PRICING, starting at $64
03:55 - Hardware Specifications
05:00 - Unboxing the Zimablade
07:30 - The Zimablade Design
10:21 - Zimablade Internal Hardware
12:42 - The Zimablade Ports and Connections
14:45 - External PCIe on the Zimablade is a GAMECHANGER
16:19 - Storage Accessories
18:11 - Casa OS Software Overview
27:38 - Verdict and Conclusion of the Zimablade Review
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This is such a breath of fresh air. I’ve been trying to get into NASes for years now. My father got a Synology and I’ve been practicing with it and maintaining it for him but it’s been cost prohibiting to get one for me so far. This could be it, it’s so damn affordable and I just need a place to keep my Plex library for now
Thank you for this! Didn't even know such a product existed. Hope to see a follow-up video on how to use this to assemble and configure a 2-bay personal cloud server compared to existing solutions from QNAP/Synology/etc. Also curious about what you mentioned about using this with DAS's.
this watches like a car salesman meets infomercial. but still hooked because it is very informative.
I didn't know they were sending out review units. I'm about to order the Nas Kit version. Would love to do a review for my production company.
I am super interested in purchasing one!!
Please can you do an indepth video on how One might use this for a multimedia "NAS Like" server.
If I can grasp the concept of how this works, I'll buy a few.
Maybe you can help me out with a better understanding of what the boards are capable of.
I'm trying to run a radio station and be able to have my own local cloud storage to be able to access the entire library of music from one central location using a URL link to access the files over an internet connection.
The way I was going to do it was buy a synology Nas (5 Bay, 20 tb HD) ((& then back up with another Nas. However, as you see, that'll add up quickly.)) I was going to be running DSM & then accessing all the music files through the login portal which will them be played throughout the studio system etc.
This is the first I've heard of this board, and it might be just what I'm looking for for a project I have in mind. See, I want to build a music PLAYER- something that sits in with my stereo system. No streaming services, no cellphone control, just basically an overgrown version of my Sandisk player. The Raspberry Pi has a great solution for playing the music, with it's available touchscreen running one of the many programs for playing, but it lacks in storing a huge collection ripped to lossless. So, what I'm thinking is one chassis with the Pi's display on the front and the Pi dedicated to playing the files- but also inside the chassis something like the Zimablade running headless acting as the server storing all the music. Connect them with a short network cable, and BOOM- the product that I want without all the bells and whistles that I won't use (that companies are charging over a grand for right now).
nice unit thanks for the honest review of the os
Cheers man
Seems with the size that it would be good with a couple 2.5 sata ssds instead of hhd, since a new generation nvme's might be wasted with an adapter. Then you can have something that is small and quiet. Just a thought though.
Hi there I am trying to set up a system for streaming media, home assistant, some containers and light virtualization. I am thinking about running TrueNAS Scale on Zima Board or Blade with Jellyfin container. I am a bit worried about transcoding 4K tho. Is it possible to run this system I described and still being able to access and display 4K content from other devices? What about Dolby Atmos? Thank you very much :)
16:00 what is that upgrade card? More sata ports?
Can you power the zimablade from a atx 12v psu?
I have a laptop and would love to run PC cards!
Is there something like the Zimablade SBC that allows you to plug in any type of PC card standard (ISA, PCI, PCIe/PCIex16)?
I've heard that because of DMA, a USB3 to PCI is not possible, so most people use a Thunderbolt3 PCIe Expansion Chassis.. but I'm looking for a PC solution!
The videos are wonderful, but the volume on the music transitions is a touch too loud compared to your voice, it makes the transitions jarring. Keep up the great work!
Intel arc say that both Celeron CPUs support 8GB DDR3 L NON ECC RAM and have 6 PCIe -2.0 Ver LANES. That means that any card which need 4PCIe Lanes Ver.3.0 will not work efficiently on these boards.
So forget 10Gbps net cards and external NVMe as they will underperform because of lanes population and version 2.0 .
Transfer speed is limited in best case at 1Gbps or 100~130 MB/sec max. for hi quality Ethernets.
I do not find worth to spend money on eight years old stuff , as it is outdate and INTEL has stopped support these CPUs since 2022. (No drivers in th future for these platforms)
I think that somone can built times better and future retundant file server with 200~250 US$ with DDR-5 platform and 20 PCIe 4.0 / 5.0 lanes which can support almost everything on addon cards ,like hardware RAIDs,GPU, 40Gbps USBs (hi speed DAS) 2x 10Gbps QSFP+ ,etc.
Can we review your glorious watch next?
Thank you, is there a linux ubuntu client?
Ok I don't mind appearing dumb, a lot of jargon but would love to see what it actually does. Say I have an m.2 card loaded up with flac music files, can this stream to my dac ? If so I connect a screen, but what software do I use ?
I have the NAS kit on order.
I have the Zimaboard that is hosting my NextCloud installation, with 2 1TB SSDs and a 2.5gb network card in the expansion slot.
Still genuinely blown away by this thing. Plex tests were good too. That said...that base panel gets REAL hot. Might need to make a follow up/part2/Before you buy video.
This is impressive. I can't wait for @Hardware Haven to take a look at this.
I hope we hear alot more about this device all over the place!
Baller nas collection dude 😅
Cheers
The 4 corw chip you list has an 8GB RAM limit.
Are the 'merged drives' still unstable? Its Debian under the hood so I dont see why RAID cant be built into the base.
The processors in the zimaboard/zimablade products are pretty old - Apollo Lake cpu's from 2015 and 2016. That's why they're limited to PCIe gen 2 with only 6 lanes. If they'd use a newer Jasper Lake N5105, they'd get PCIe gen 3 with 8 lanes. The newest Alder Lake-N cpu's like the N100 (essentially E-cores from Alder Lake 12th gen) are even faster and have 9 lanes for the PCIe.
Edit: Huh, I see someone already made a similar comment. I think the Jasper Lake N5105 would make a good compromise in performance vs cost in this product. Very plentiful on Aliexpress and Amazon.
I totally agree!
Since the Zima production started probably with an amount of very cheap "old" processors already in stock, I think they most likely thoght that tìwas the way to go, but nowadays, there are so many N5105, N95, N100... The project could have been pushed forward by using these newer and most powerful, and energy saving,!, processors.
Zima is a very good platform on paper, but I still tend to wait a bit to see if there are new versions baking in some hidden lab...
There are also in Amazon a ton of mini PCs with monstrous power, connectivity (both USB 3.x and 2.5Gbit multi-port network) in ultra-small sizes, and sometimes the lack of the PCIe connector isn't a problem....
Taxes and shipping are also a common problem, for example, because if I want to buy the $144 kit, it costs me in reality about $210.
Mini PCs cost me * HALF* the price (taxed and shipped) on "Big A" site with the frequent coupons, and I can afford N100/N95 processors and NVMe SSDs...
By the way, I still want to support Zima, and continuously think to buy a board...
But CasaOS is not my love, for sure. 😅
You gave a hint about Plex and then not even touch it. Does it work that bad? No hardware accel? No 4k/HDR transcoding?
The J3455 is the same processor that was in the Synology 918+. I used to run multiple transcoded 2K & 4K h.264/h.265 streams via Plex off that box. This is a great deal for the price.
Are you serious? Multiple 2K & 4k transcodes?
does it have mobile client?
Will it stand with 24/7 365 days usage?
When my Storaxa never turns up, I will be picking up one of these 😂
Stay positive! That aside *taps watch* where is that update?
PCI-E 2 ? Not 3? Why? Is the CPU from 2007?
Not sure if I get it correctly from the video, would it be enough type c charger with power delivery in order to run the board and at least 2 3,5 Hdd? Can anyone clarify?
you would need to use a heftier USB power, not just a standard USB Bus power.
@@nascompares I mean gan type c chargers that could be rated like 65w for example. Or could you please share which power source you used for this setup? Thanks for reply !
On small mb, most of system will go to arm cpu but this has celeron
Very cool design I like ZimaBoard and ZimaBlade designs, but not CPU choice. I have AMD 415GA thin client and it's a bit slower then N3350 from Zima (but remember used thin client compete price with cup of good coffee). Open PCIe expansion is game-changer, yes, but it's only one slot, what's really missed - no m.2 slot. All cheap SSD are nvme now, and cheapest good sata is MX500 - cost more then good nvmes. For me this thing were interesting even with this CPUs if add m.2 and 2.5G NIC with free PCIe - then I'll love this thing, but for now - CWWK cost more and gives more with N100 and quad 2,5G.
I was looking at HP T730 and Dell 5070 this morning for a need I have. Still haven't decided if an old thin client is enough, or one of the site board mini PC is going to win. The N5105 and newer N100 are really fast compared to the old thin clients.
Impressive design and power efficient and silent with it. I am looking forward to what this company brings out in the near future. In my opinion, the relatively older Celerons may put some potential customers off?
tbh I think they would have struggled with this price point with more modern celerons (or that N100 chip) as I mention in the vid, but users are going to be a little underwhelmed by that N3350/N3450
I personally don't mind it, infact it's probably better than a N100 board (not the toptons, but Asrock/Asus). Intel 12th and 13th gen has worse idle power despite being on newer node, and intel 14nm is virtually the same across all the generations released on it with minor performance uplifts. I think 2 SATA ports, low power CPU, and a PCIE slot for 2.5/10GBe NIC is perfect for a 24/7 NAS that will only be used as a NAS, with a few services on top - say *darr suite. One could build a secondary NAS with a proper itx board, many more drives and a slightly beefier CPU to run extra stuff on top and perhaps a shutdown cycle when not in use, say during nights or work time to save power.
I can see why it's exciting, not many x86 options exist at this form factor and power setup with proper ports (it's usually the SATA ports that are missing) and this price point. Topton and other aliexpress boards are cool. but I don't need 10 SATA ports and 4 2.5g ports paired with a mobile CPU and a hacky BIOS so I can't really bring the idle power down easily. Power is very expensive here.
In terms of hardware only it may not be that cheap for the zimablaze, rather old CPU, DDR3 and poor internal storage.
I brought a fanless mini pc with aluminum cases, standard hdmi, n4100 CPU, 8GB DDR4, 128g msata harddisk with 4x2.5gbe lan, 2xUSB3.0 port + a 2 bay 3.5” DAS with raid 0,1 function
All total less than USD$100, do some screw installation to harddisk/DAS, move switches to raid 1 and connect DAS with mini PC, then hardware is read to go for a 2.5G NAS
Remaining is debian, smb installation for software, I connect my PC 2.5 GBE split-type NAS, speed over 200Mbps (I believe my old harddrive is the bottom neck that not able to boost further), anyway I am satisfy with the performance and think it is much more reasonable than zimablade solution
casaOS responsive?
It would be interesting, if it wasn't running a 2016 era cpu that Intel has already put into end-of-life status (or in case of J3455, will officially be end-of-life in a few days, on the 30th).
We need this with a N100 or N5105, at least 1 NVME built-in, and at least PCIe 3.0 I think. then again the size also makes it usability limited. hmmm.
Could you please do a PURE usb only nas solution using this or something similar. Kinda scarce on the internet.
I have a bunch of wd elements 16tb, 5 of them, and would like to just plug all to a server using a usb hub. I've seen many people do it for chia but not for nas though. Would be great if you could do it.
I think that would be a bit unstable...but...I do like a challenge. Leave that with me man
Yes, first thought is shuck the hd:s out and put them to nas, but needs a bigger than this as 5? Interesting to see what you ridea would be.
Exactly what I wanted, a cheap network work attached Time Machine/ cloud backup mirror. I don’t need all the things a full nas provides.
I know exactly what you mean, genuinely blown away by this!
I want this but have no idea what to use it for
You could use it as flestore, or firewall, perhaps not both, but this cheap buy 2? ;-)
Backup destination, pihole. Start keeping full bare-metal backups of all your PCs and laptops
Do those HDD not need cooling?
Nah, they are in the open air. But I think the main board could use an optional fan during peak!
1st time here on you channel good video but your set made me very jelly all those nas's just sat around doing nothin lol " glances over at my curcial x6 plugged in to my nano pi neo 3 "
Don't be jealous.... my electric bill is a joke
yea thats why i stopped using my poweredge 2950 III
@@nascompares
Hmm, given that an N5105 fan less PC with 4 2.5GB ethernet ports, an M.2 slot, a mini PCIe slot, 2 SODIM slots and a SATA port can be had for circa $120 (in a case), this doesn’t seem like that good a deal.
For me this platform is a no-go. It has J3455, so it is likely to "feature" the LPC issue, same as J1900, N3350, J3355, J3455 and N4200. And that issue is why I don't use my qnap T-251 anymore, it just stopped working and fix is temporary.
I was unaware of this. Will research, thanks for sharing
You can get a ASRock n100 mobo for less than $200.
Yeah those are surprisingly cheap.
€139 in the NL (with taxes included, of course). But the board is somewhat power hungry. It idles at around 10W with a USB 3.0 SSD (the SSD itself seems to add about 2W of load) and one stick of Crucial DDR4-3200 RAM, using a Leicke 65W charger.
The board makes a weird coil whine while turned off, too. I think the voltage regulation on it isn't very good.
But it has 2x PCIe 3.0 lanes on a 4x slot and a 2x NVMe PCIe 3.0 slot onboard, and 2 SATA ports. It's hard to beat for the value.
And it can power up to 4 or 5 HDDs off the motherboard header. Which is crazy.
Not available in here 😅
What is the best NAS platform for backing up iOS devices? Or does it not matter?
It doesn't matter really, BUT... if you want the most seamless and client-ready platform, Synology will be the one you want tbh
Zima - can it do zfs on linux? 2 ssds in a zpool with remote access. Zfs is native to linux and free to use. Keep making videos, we love your work.
Added that to the to do list!
Zfs is not in the kernel so no it is not native. It is in freebsd though
I really like zfs on linux ubuntu so far on my regular amd atx board, though I've never tried it anywhere else
Hm, Is design got influenced by Love, Deat &Robots: Zima Blue?
I'm pretty sure. Especially with the thre little icons; heart, drive an cross.🤩
Nice! I like it, but I don't need it )
PREACH!!!
Only thing which stopped me from ordering either of the zimba's was the parent company being located in Hong Kong, China.
Maybe it's just me having the jeebee with clients data within my local closed networks but I'd probably hook this up within it's own dmz or closed separate network 🤪
Yep we shouldn’t have given her back but our lease was up? Things go to sh6t when Great Britain’s not in charge our bad…
Well, what is NOT coming from China?
@@OKuusava Everything from Taiwan; which is why China wants it?
9:00 Fascia = Fay-Sha
Thanks buddy = Thuddy
We all know that Apollo Lake N3350 and N3450 processors died for no reason. The same was true for Synology with these processors. If it's not an N3350E or N3450E, I wouldn't go with this motherboard 24/7
With a 1Gb ethernet port, no thanks, my wired system is all a 2.5Gb network. I mean I do have a USB 3.1 to 2.5Gb adapter I could use on it. But no I'll pass on this.
WHY do they use ancient CPUs when the Intel N100 and similar CPUs are SOOOOOOOO much faster? :(
Maybe they have a supply of these CHEAP CPUs to exhaust. I'd like to see an N95 or N100 too.
Anything limited to 1gbps should immediately be labeled as NOT future proof. Hell, 1gbps limitation isn't even acceptable today...
For the most part, I agree. But I want to be less harsh on a device like this, as at this price point I think it's ok
I'm kinda impressed and not impressed at the same time :D.
Colour me intrigued!
It seems more like a downgrade. I expected 4-8 cores, 2 x DDR5 sodimm slots, 2x2.5 aGbe Intel and 2 x SFP+ Intel. 2 x nvme, 6 x SATA, 1 x pcie x8...
In what price point?
@@azbesthu , 200 - 300 USD
Hackable 😆
The price is nothing special as almost all stuff that has Apollo lake on it (7 years old new stock) is about that price. It's only the consumer plug and play nas market that uses stupid prices for really old 3th world hardware. If you build your own with Aliexpress build systems or motherboards you get about the same price. I would not buy this at all as i would like a box that does it all and not just be a nas. And that old hardware cannot deliver that. A new n100 or n200 is borderline for me, if i want something low power and powerfull that can run everything at once then maybe a n305 or a AMD 5825. As you can get those with multple 2.5gb nics muliple m2 sata and the 5825 can run with 64gb memory so you can spin up a whole battlefield of vm's. I know some people will complain that everything from Aliexpress is bad quality and should not be compared, i do not agree. But for those people i can also buy a new sealed Asrock board with a J3355 for €65,- from multiple shops in my country. So nothing special just the price this older stuff is worth. If you pay 2 to 3 to 4 times more for this like said in the video you have been ripped off.
Yes, but @$64..70ish if you want memory..you are getting a turnkey solution. Even if you pick up as ASrock or topton board with the CPU...you still need memory, a case, SATA cables, PSU, OS and...crucially..the time! I agree, the hardware is not exactly going to put another rocket on the moon..but at that price for a turnkey solution, come on?!
It's rubbish if don't have a CPU with ECC memory support. Unless for a creepy DIY project.
With such success, you can get Synology/QNAP/Asus NIMBUSTOR 2 new or used for ~200-300 Euros with case, software and similar hardware.
What?
@@graxxorwithout ECC there is higher probability to have some error in your data aka less reliable solution. But if you really need it or not depends on what you gonna do with it. For sure that difference will be reflected in total solution cost.
@@kag46 ECC absolutists are so weird to me, do people realize data can corrupt outside memory, either on the wire, in your CPU or on the cache controller your drive most certainly has?
A Radxa Rock 5b is so much better with nearly the same price. No need to buy this old crap. ;-)
It's only using DDR3L Memory?... that's disgusting.
I will never buy Zima products if they're pushing inferior parts sold at a premium...
*premium* - mate...it's $64 to buy right now... then you buy whatever memory you want for like a tenner online for 4GB...come on, be fair!
Still the hard rock music clip between segments 🫤
Oh, that's staying. Sorry man. I'm old (skool)