You could be a huge success on RUclips solely doing bag & pack reviews. This is exactly what I wanted to see and what no other reviewer seems to show me! I want to see the bags loaded up realistically (individually or comparisons like this). Thank you for the great work! Earned my sub.
Thank you! I'm not looking to be a sensation, but all these positive comments have me thinking of doing some follow-up comparisons to the Gregory. Kind of a challenge of what bag can beat the Gregory... I have a few other amateur gear reviews on my channel. Again, these reviews aren't a core focus for me but I appreciate your comments.
Dude, this is how a review should be done. THANK YOU! I am definitely getting the Zulu now, I am just on the fence between the 30 and 40 liter one now.
Thank you! Some really like the Zulu 40, and it can still be used for day hikes. If you do not already have a large backpack then you could certainly do some backpacking with the Zulu 40 as well as day hikes. You would need some rather light/compact gear for this.
Get the 40. You can always leave it less-than-full with your 30L of stuff for the day and you'll appreciate the additional 10L when you need it. I day hike around state parks with a 30L, but I day hike in the mountains with the 40L.
DUTCH ARMY BACK PACK. THEY ALL SO COME IN CAVILIAN VERSION'S. THE OFFICAL COMPANY THAT MAKE'S THEM IS LOWE'S ALPINE AN THEY COME IN SMALL, LARGE AN EXTRA LARGE. THE NAME'S ARE STRIKE THE SMALLER ONE, STING THE LARGE ONE AN SARACEN THE EXTRA LARGE 110L.
Thanks for the excellent review! Nobody ever shows how a pack loads out in their reviews and it should really be the standard for a good review. I’m carrying the Zulu 30 on the Camino De Santiago next summer and couldn’t be happier with that decision.
I agree with so many others: Great job with details and examples. Honesty was clearly apparent. Very very helpful and completely changed my plan on purchasing which pack! ⭐️
This is just the type of review I was looking for. I've got an Osprey Aether 60 AG and a Camelbak Rim Runner 22 but I really want something that'll allow me to pack enough for an overnight if needed. The Camelbak is just a hint too small to really work and the Osprey, surprisingly, doesn't have much more room but the overall dimensions are quite a bit larger. I don't do any thru-hiking, so overnight (maybe two nights) would be the bulk of my use. Longer day hikes (challenging, mountains) with enough gear for contingencies is what I'll be doing, and this brought me to the ~30l size pack which seems to be the Goldilocks size for what I'm after. I appreciate your loadouts for each and while I want to like the Osprey, the truth of the matter is that I think the Gregory makes the most sense and is much more versatile. Time to head to REI with my gear (something I didn't have when I bought my Osprey or Camelbak) and see if it all works for me too. I know these videos take an incredible amount of time and effort, and I sure do appreciate that you took the time to make this for us!
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I went to REI yesterday fulling intending to get the Zulu 30. In a rare moment of clarity I decided to bring my loadout for both tent and hammock camping. It turns out that REI encourages folks to do this! I stuffed all my gear into the 30 however it was pretty tight. The guy helping me suggested I look at the 40 (which I hadn't been aware of). Turns out the 40 is a panel loader instead of a top loader (though can be used as a top loader). Otherwise, it is identical. Interestingly, the overall dimensions are nearly identical but there's just enough extra room, and the ability to load from the face of the pack which made me go that direction. It also gives the advantage of a little less incursion of the water bladder into the cargo space. If you're like me, and aren't an ultra-lighter, I think the advantages of the 40 prove significant while retaining the outstanding features of the 30 in a nearly identical footprint. If you're an overnighter you'll appreciate the extra pack room (which can be cinched down) and if you're a day packer you'll appreciate that you can still get it to compress as much as the 30 since I'm pretty sure they're built on the same frame. Also, the 40 is only 5oz heavier than the 30 so you're not paying a significant weight penalty for the extra space; for me, this was well worth it. Here's a consideration for some: The packs both share the right features. Maybe it could be a touch lighter but the truth is that it's so good that this is as close to the ideal pack as has been invented for the 'weekend warrior' who does a day or two overnight. With that said, if your gear is tight in the 30 go to the 40 because the stress on the seams will prematurely wear any pack and significantly compromise its waterproofing much faster. For the pure longevity of it, choose the option that puts less internal stress on the bag but still meets your gear carrying requirements.
Amazing review! I was already heavily considering the Zulu, but I have other Osprey packs I like, and I was looking for a review of the comparable pack, and I found your review! This couldn't of been more helpful and your detailed and extensive review of both helped me seal the deal.for.the Zulu. I'm needing a day pack for 14ers and want that cavernous space, as opposed to the extra compartment pockets the osprey has. Thank you so so much!!
Good comparison. I use the Osprey Stratos 34 for my day pack, mostly for hiking and photography trips. I slide a F-Stop medium shallow ICU insert into the main compartment and that keeps either a full DSLR kit or medium format film kit. The one thing that I really think they missed the boat on was not equipping the stratos 34 with a large stretchy stow-a-way back pocket for rain gear and such like their Atmos 65 pack has. I don't use water bladders so that is really not a concern for me. I think you made the correct conclusion for your hiking needs.
Thank you, Nick. Much appreciated. When I took the time to compare the two for myself, I thought it was worth it to record and share my observations with others. I was concerned that the edited version of the review still ended up 30+ minutes, i.e. too long. Your response and others indicate that people serious about gear want to see a thorough comparison like this. I hiked some long day hikes over very rough terrain this summer: 14, 12 and 12 hours with 5000+ ft elevation each. The Zulu 30 rode very comfortably on my hips to save shoulder strain, and I think the vented back made a difference during fairly warm days. The side mesh pockets are also located within reach with pack on, e.g. stowing or grabbing my Outdoor Research hat, etc. The pack's overall comfort and usability met my high expectations.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, @matchstick publications also commented that the Stratos 50 is a good one. I am not so familiar with Lowe Alpine packs. Which model do you have? For anyone interested, the website for Lowe Alpine gear is: rab.equipment/us/
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I'm a Lowe Alpine guy from way back in the 80s when Greg Lowe still owned the company before selling to RAB, but swapped to Gregory back in the mid 2000s. I have a Walkabout 35, Crossvent 45, and an old 55L climbing pack. I tried Osprey, good packs but not for me. Packs are very subjective to individual preference. I love my Waymark Thru 50 as well as the Outdoor Vitals Shadowlite 45L I bought when it came out. I use packs for different things and seasons and for different terrain and speeds depending on time to hike vs mileage.
One thing can only be tested by the buyer and that is the fit. I tried the women’s versions of these two packs…the Jade and Sirrus. The Jade immediately had my knees hurting, but the Sirrus feels like part of me. The fit is so important!
I prefer the Osprey Stratos... BUT i do wish the Stratos had the stretch mess shove it pocket on the front instead of the zippered pocket. I find the zippered pocket useless when the pack is full. Other than that i love this pack. I have the 34 & 50L Stratos. I also have the Osprey Talon 22, 33 & 44. Those packs are when I want to go lighter & they have the stretch front pocket i like. I also have an Osprey Atmos AG 65 when i need to carry really heavy loads. Can you tell I am an “Osprey guy”? Lol.
Thanks for commenting. Indeed, you are an Osprey guy! In terms of carrying gear in this size range, I could have also compared the Zulu 30 to the Osprey Talon 33. That would pack gear more similarly to the Zulu, I think. It's lighter without the frame and goes right against the back. I figured I would go for the comfort of the airy back. People seem to really like the comfort of both the Stratos and Zulu lines. My son also has the Atmos AG 65 and that's a great pack. I just want to know how often your hiking buddies give you a hard time as you are trying to select the optimum pack for the day from that arsenal you have :) ?
@@PaoloFrancesco99 My hiking buddies are cool with it. Most of them have many backpacks as well. My girlfriend on the other hand doesn’t understand my obsession. 😂
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Here's a question though, what is the difference between the Talon 33 and the Stratos 34 ? I thought the Stratos had a much more robust 'suspension' system and that's where the additional cost was. The Talon 33's suspension seemed much less advanced. The Stratos 34 seems like this midway weird pack that doesn't compare well to anything else.
I recently bought the Sirrus 34 - woman's equivalent for Stratos 34 - and while its quality is top notch, I noticed I did not like the space management. It is way too narrow and lacks of depth, therefore it is tall. It makes it rather unpractical to use, but most importantly, I do not fit a lot of items inside it. It is about the same than a 24L Eastpak in terms of capacity, really weird. Now, I do like the pockets, and that every load seems very light. I mostly use it with my electric scooter for small groceries and for weekend trips, but it is way too small for things like sleeping outside while hiking or for a week vacation.
Thanks so much for this comparison video. I don't normally leave likes on videos, but this one deserved it. Also, I don't normally comment on videos, but this video also deserved it, as well. I am between these two packs and the Deuter Futura 29 EL. I tried the Deuter Futura 27, and it was too small, and it didn't fit my Tenba BYOB camera insert, so I am doubtful about the 29L version being much better for that scenario. If it doesn't suit me, I will definitely go with the Gregory Zulu 30 because of your comparison. Thanks again!
Thanks Eric. There's a popular video on just the Stratos 34 by a guy who loads some camera equipment, I think. Check out "Osprey Stratos 34 Day Pack Review - Most versatile hiking backpack?" But honestly, I still don't think it compares to the cavernous compartment of the Zulu 30, and the better design of the stretchy pockets, etc. I just went out on a nice hike this past weekend and I'm still super pleased with it. Fyi, some choose to go with the Zulu 40 because the frame size is nearly the same as the 30 but it has even more volume. I'm not sure of specific differences between the 30 and the 40 in terms of features.
I have multiple Deuter ELs as I have a long torso. They fit much better than the regular version if your torso is over 55cm. The futura back panel is comfortable and durable but it does take a chunk out of the backpack due to its curve, even in the EL version.
This really was a superb review! Thank you 🌹🌈☀️ This plus OutdoorGearLab ranking the Gregory Jade (which is the female version of the Zulu) as the most comfortable trekking pack it's ever tested over the years, has definitely got me thinking this is going to be my next pack 😄 Thank you so much, this review really did push me over the edge, it was so well done - Really appreciate it 🌈
Excellent video and demo! I’m looking at the Gregory Zulu packs right now to upgrade my dinky 16L hydration pack. Looks like the 30L will do the trick!
Good. I'm looking for something between 20 and 30L, preferably in the middle. Back pack size rating is weird. I think that if two litters water bottles can fit into external pockets they are included as 4 litters and if jacket can be attached by rope mesh, it's included as well. I think my 12L back pack is 50% smaller than old one which had 14L i think and my 60+10 backpack can fit twice more than 45L. EDIT: decided for Gregory citro 24L. It's pretty comfortable and I think few things can be improved: reflective, visible raincoat (walking in black on the roadside in bad weather/twilight etc is not great) and better compatibility with other hydratation bladders (Osprey - does not work, Camelbag - works, but can be more comfortable than small loop, for example velcro strap). Side pockets are without compression straps, so I wouldn't use them for small items, on the other hand hip belt is perfect for them - I wouldn't put phone there, mine is like 6.5", it fits, but it's not comfotable.
Thank you for the video! What a great review to watch! I'm a little on the fence still... but now definitely Zulu is a strong candidate in the backpack race.
Two things to remember when buying any pack, regardless of brand. If you order a small or small/medium you'll lose pack room by at least a liter or maybe 2 (less material to make the pack). if you go large or large/extra large you'll gain a liter in size in some circumstances 2 liters (more material to make the pack). The second thing is to remember that packs and brands are very subjective to the user.
Your review and comparison is very thorough and helpful. It did leave me a bit confused and I’m hoping you can explain something to me. If the stratos is 34L and the Zulu is 30L why no is it that you seemingly have more space in the Zulu? I just can’t understand it.
Aha! That's a good question. And you would be confused...if you believe the numbers. But I had no tricks up my sleeve with those identical loads in the comparison, so it seems the makers did not measure their volume the same way. I believe another on-line commenter theorized that Osprey loaded each pocket individually and added the volumes together. Remember how that front pocket becomes "useless" if the main compartment is full? The volume should represent how much the pack can fit when each section is filled - at the same time. In any case, it's always good to try things out in person if you can and that's why I gave both a try.
Great comparison and review! Can you please elaborate on how you attach and use shock cords for trekking poles on the Gregory pack? That would be super useful! :-) Thank you!
Thanks! I added some basic instruction about the DIY trekking pole hack in the description of the video. I used this feature while on some hikes and it worked really well.
Hi, like your review, but I`m not agree with your opinion (on 12`26``) about the design fail. I do not want that opening upwards. Rains... But +1 for the Zulu
Thanks for your comment. You make an important observation! I still don't like the detail of the Osprey design in this area. Keep in mind that there's also a fabric hood just above the opening that you can kind of see if you pause the video. The slot opening is so tight that it nearly causes the tube to kink and restrict flow. Unfortunately, I did not put on the rain cover to see if it would cover this area well. I regret the words I chose at this part because it was a bit negative, but the video is done now... Thanks again for sharing your idea.
This was a terrific comparison! I bought the Zulu and your review sealed the deal. Here's a stupid question: I like your stash'n'go pole innovation--are shock cords readily available? I'm also wondering about rigging up a way to tie something (sleeping pad, tent...) to the outside of the pack. Not a huge deal as I have a Kelty 44L that serves me well, but if I could make the Zulu even more versatile so much the better. Thanks!
Thank you! In USA, shock cord is sold at craft stores, at outdoor stores like REI, and of course on Amazon. I have also thought about someday rigging something to the Zulu 30, and I wish it had four lashing points. But I think one could use the upper straps clipped to each other as I showed in the review or the upper handle, plus loop something like shock cord to the lower straps near the pockets. Be careful not to stress these points too much though. Links for cord and accessory straps are listed below. www.rei.com/product/867980/gear-aid-elastic-shockcord-7-ft www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WP27FTN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 or search on Amazon: PARACORD PLANET Bungee Nylon Shock Cord 2.5mm 1/32", 1/16", 3/16", 5/16", 1/8”, 3/8", 5/8", 1/4", 1/2 inch Crafting Stretch String 10 25 50 & 100 Foot Lengths Made in USA www.rei.com/product/162155/rei-co-op-packmod-accessory-straps-package-of-2 www.rei.com/product/813695/sea-to-summit-hook-release-34-accessory-straps-package-of-2
That's actually an advertised feature of the bag. It was the one 'discovery' about the bag that he made which is a stated feature. With so many features it would be easy to overlook though.
Yes, and your video comparing the Stratos 26 and Zulu 30 helped to peak my interest in the Gregory. I thought the Stratos 34 would compare better, but still no. So I thought I would share this comparison as well.
Good question. I'm not certain about compatibility with carrying on. When you say all airlines, be aware that European carry-on limits are smaller than those in the US. I would find out which size Zulu is compatible where you're going, maybe asking Gregory. Then decide which pack size is best for you.
If you use an osprey brand bladder... they can separate from the top of the bag from rhe tube... wondering if that's why it's so difficult to put on... they probably designed it to work for their own brand?
Maybe so. That detail is definitely not a sole reason not to get the Osprey. It was obviously a pet peeve of mine at the single take recording of my review. 😁
I had the previous version of Gregory Zulu and recently got the new one, I don’t get why they would remove things that were there. The bottom strap to attach ice axe/poles, there were two in my previous pack but the new version has only one of them? There was a zipped pouch in the front under that mesh pocket for the rain cover, i used to keep my maps there too, I see it’s gone. Pretty sure the top pouch looks roomier in my old pack. While the new one has much better back support, shoulder straps and opening style, I’m bummed losing other good features.
I hope to have a pleasant surprise for you. The rain cover on the new version is located in a zipped pocket just inside the front stretch pocket right below the clip. I forgot to show this in my review but did call it out with text on each bag. I understand your frustration about going down to just one strap for poles, etc. I can only guess they were pinching pennies and grams.
wowww, that review made my day. Even though, i can not see the hype everyone is talking about the Gregory. First, I can not attach sleeping mat/tent at the bottom. If i attach at the side meshed pockets, it looks awful plus there is no space for water bottles. Second, I can't place a padded jacket at the front part (or anywhere else outside the bag) since the elastic front pocket is not very elastic and there may be space only for a thin rain jacket. (imagine the scenario that u hike to top of a mountain in winter. It gets hot while hiking up. U take of the padded winter jacket and u put outside the bag because you know that once you get on the top you will need to wear it asap coz its cold and windy. Putting it inside while the bag is already full is not an option.) Is it so hard to think of 2 extra straps and clips, where the front pocket is, to hold a winter jacket? I am using it this way already in my Deuter 25 liter and is phenomenal.
@@SnareMan The Manta looks pretty nice too and its storage seems better than the Stratos 34. I already had bladders so maybe that's why I ignored it. What do you mean by anti-gravity version? The mesh back? What is squeaking?
@@PaoloFrancesco99 The hip belts hug your waist snuggly on both sides distributing more weight to the hips and taking some off the shoulders. They had an infamous squeaking problem with them so they redesigned them and took the AG out which is why the new hip flaps are more floppy. 14:30 in my video I linked there. Listening to it again it's not quite as evident in the video as in person.
Thanks. The little black stuff sack is the rectangular version of the Aegismax ultra-light down sleeping bag. The mummy version seems to be more readily available right now on Amazon, in USA anyway. I made a comparison video that was linked in the upper corner of the daypack review, but here's the link for it: ruclips.net/video/_ZxhcD9w21Q/видео.html Commenters mention that NatureHike might be an equivalent brand to Aegismax. It seems to be available through Prime.
The clip you use for the tube on the gregory... can't that be used to hold an umbrella handle? I have a gossamer gear umbrella holder... seems to look like that.
I would not advise using the water tube clip to hold an umbrella. I think it would impart too much stress on the thing. The water tube clip is part of a double duty piece that also has the chest strap clip. The piece clamps around the hard tubular part running up and down the chest strap (typical of packs) that allows the clip to slide up and down for the chest strap position adjustment. I think trying to hold the umbrella on this thing would either snap the plastic or tear the sliding pieces off of the tube.
@@fradee2830 Always the best way to judge for yourself. I checked out a picture of the gossamer umbrella clamp. I'd spend the $6 on the gossamer clamp designed for the umbrella and the occasional breeze that can yank on the clamp. In the store see how the clip on the Zulu 30 is attached to the strap. You don't want to tear this off and lose the ability to use the chest strap. Of course it's your call.
Good question. I know that my 1 liter Nalgenes are held very securely. I don't have a Hydroflask, but I see online that it's about 11" tall. I believe the Gregory would hold it securely enough. The pocket is 7-8" tall with great elastic hold.
Thanks for the in depth video, it steered me from the stratos to zulu. But after doing a bit more research I see Gregory offers the Citro 30, which seems like it has the same features but there's a $40 difference and sure there are some differences that I'm missing. Are you familiar with that pack?
I wasn't familiar with the Citro but checked out the specs a bit. Here are things to consider: The Citro comes with the Gregory bladder system and the Zulu does not. Citro comes in one size and cannot adjust the torso length like the Zulu, so try it on. Hip pockets appear to be a bit smaller, not a big deal. The shape of the zipper is more like the Osprey I reviewed. I came to like the way the Zulu allows the whole tope to flip open without the whole load pouring out. I think I saw that the Citro has a dedicated bladder pocket. Citro is a bit lighter. Citro does not include a rain cover. I highly recommend having one if you plan to do long hikes. I think the Citro is a nice pack, but already having the Zulu and my own bladders, I still feel like I have the right one for me.
Could you kindly provide a list of the overnight items you used in this demo? I’ve never backpacked before and have Zulu 30, and I want to take it on a ultralight backpack trip (1-2nighter) with stuff I can fit into my Zulu 30 similar to how you did it
Apologies for this delayed reply. One's backbacking gear is a very personal choice and must be suited to the weather and situation. And first time backpackers should be careful to be prepared. An experienced car camper has a head start in this awareness. Perhaps you've already gotten out there. Anyway, to answer your question - you can check out options for light sleeping bags from Aegismax or Naturehike on Amazon. I like my Klymit sleeping pad, and they are quite good honoring their lifetime warranty. My first pad lasted years. When the valve failed they replaced the pad and with one that has a new and improved valve design.
Since I'm in the USA, my Gregory website lists the torso length in inches. 56 cm = 22 inches. There's a size guide table on the Gregory website for the Zulu 30 and it does indicate that someone with 22 inch (56 cm) torso can use the M/L Zulu 30. Of course, it would be best if you give it a try with a load in it to see how it feels. www.gregory.com/packs/day-packs/zulu-30/145ZUL30.html?dwvar_145ZUL30_color=Forage%20Green
Yes, the Zulu has torso adjustment similar to many, with a very heavy duty velcro type system. I pulled the velcro apart on the Zulu at 02:35. Be sure to check out the two sizes, especially if you are in the middle like I am. I went up to the M/L size.
Thanks. I haven't seen the Citro in person but it looks like a nice pack. It's one size fits all, so there might not be any height adjustment. The panel opening is more like the Osprey in my review, running over the top and vertically down the sides. I kind of like the way the U-shaped top opening works on the Zulu. Even though the capacities are listed as the same, I have a feeling that the Zulu might fit more. Both Citro and Zulu offer the very comfortable and cool mesh back. Try to compare them side by side if you can.
Yes, my Zulu 30 is the M/L size to fit my torso and it's compartment is also bigger than the S/M one. I needed the bigger one to fit my torso, but I end up tightening the hip belt all the way. My pants are REI brand. Super comfortable. I'm not sure they make them anymore.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Great, thanks! I'm probably not as tall as you (I'm 5.11) but your review impressed me and I bought the same product. I can't wait to try it.
I like Osprey because they have backpacks specifically designed for a woman's frame. I don't understand the unisex backpacks as woman and men's bodies are not the same. I use that "useless" pocket for a packable raincoat or hat and gloves etc. Every pocket can be used for something and there's no such thing as a useless pocket. 10:17
Thanks for watching and commenting. I was reviewing the men's versions of each pack. Gregory Jade is the women's version of the Zulu. I was quoting other reviewers with the term "useless" for that front pocket on the Osprey and came to my own conclusion based on the two loads. It certainly becomes less useful if the main compartment is maxed out, but it's a nice place for things like you mentioned when space is left for them. A better head-to-head comparison for Osprey in terms of fitting the same amount of stuff would probably be the Stratos 36, although it's pricier than the Zulu 30. Keep on hikin' !
I did not consider the Zulu 35, but I did not purposely exclude it. After another viewer asked about it I checked it out. The 35 has a top lid with a couple of lashing points instead of the panel zipper on the 30. I would look at the Gregory site for the 35 and decide which top you might prefer. Check dimensions as well. It could be that the 35 just has a little more room up top and that the rest is the same or similar.
I live in the USA and I am not familiar with any of the Camino routes. I would try to find some discussion forums. However, a couple of commenters to my video here said they would use the Zulu 30 for the Camino. Another said he found the Zulu 40 to be an excellent choice, and not too much bigger than the Zulu 30. Good luck.
Each of these backpacks has just one loop and clasp feature, as shown at the beginning of my video. One could use this feature for the pickaxe and put poles in one of the side pockets with the handles down to avoid poking a hole in the pocket.
Good question. I'm just starting to gear up for winter hiking myself so I'm no expert packing for winter excursions. I have micro-spikes so far. Crampons are bigger, and pointier! Assuming they come with a tough stuff sack to avoid damage to the pack, I think you could put crampons in that lower pocket. However, if you really like the Osprey then I would move up to a large size for winter hiking, especially for longer outings where you'll want to keep layers, emergency sleeping gear, etc. You saw in my video that the Stratos 34 gets tight quickly. Check out lots of videos out there on winter hiking gear and you'll get some good ideas on what pack would accommodate the gear. I plan to try the Zulu 30 on my initial winter outings to see how it goes.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 That's a good point, I should definitely secure those sharp spikes. Im from Poland and Tatra Mountains are my main goal for now so Im looking for something versatile with mesh back panel so it would work for summer, but I also need backpack where I can externally attach helmet and iceaxe and also separate pocket for crampons that I would use in winter. I dont really need 40l or 50l even for winter routes thats why Im interested in Stratos 34l or 36l. I think I will try 34 and see how it works. Thank you for you answer!
@@icom782Good luck and enjoy! Update - I would focus on the 36L. I think you will like it better for winter and it will also work for summer. It won't be too big.
Im torn whether to buy Zulu 30 or Stratos 34. Im going solo backpacking in Europe next year for 3-4 months, and I need a backpack that would fit into carry on flight. I'm a minimalist 5'9 170lbs guy, and i would bring few clothes with me. In terms of tech, I would probably bring 13' macbook pro because I do video editing, and travel book. I also will bring mirrorless Fujiflm XT4 camera with 1 lens. Im going summer next year so I dont need too heavy/thick clothing. What do you think I should buy? Or any other backpack suggestion that you give me? Thanksss!
Trust me. I understand the difficulty in making a choice when both packs have good points. That's why I purchased both to try them out with some gear related to my activities (long day hikes). I suggest you do the same if you are able to purchase both and return one conveniently.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I tried and love them both but the end I bought Zulu 35. The front stretch mesh pocket is the dealbreaker for me, i feel like it can fit more items that I wouldnt want them in the bag, like rainjacket, or wet/dirty clothes, food container, etc. Thank you for the video and respond. :)
Ha! Well, let's analyze. "Excellent review." - You are kind enough to share a complement when someone else has done a decent job at something. Thank you! "I enjoyed it a great deal." - You are probably into hiking, outdoors, and good gear like me and anyone else like you who watched a review about two packs for 30 minutes. And maybe the review made you understand the differences in these packs. And watching this review was probably a good break from watching the current world news. "What does this say about my life?" - You're probably just like the rest of us outdoor types who would rather be in the woods than in front of a computer. :)
Thanks! It's not only possible, but it could run laps inside 😀. So you would want to make sure that other parts of the load help keep it securely in place since there is no pocket intended to hold it.
Hi. That is a very good question. I did not even consider the Zulu 35, but I just looked at the Gregory website to see the differences. The website says that the Zulu 35 has the U-Zip access like the 30, but seeing the top cover confuses me. Watching a review of the 35 or 40 might provide more detail about that. I also noticed that the top has a couple of tie-off points. The Zulu 30 and Statos 34 do not have specific tie-off points, but I think one could do it with a little creativity. If you are considering the Zulu 35, I think it might compare more closely to the Osprey Talon 33. The Zulu 35 has the FreeFloat suspension but the Talon 33 does not.
tks for your kind reply. then in case of zulu30 vs stratos34, which one is better? once you give me an answer, i will click a buy button straight away :)
They both have good features. As I said in the video, I decided to keep the Zulu 30. If you cannot compare the packs next to each other like I did then think about what features are most important to you. It's your decision :) .
Sure, that could work. It's occurred to me though why the Gregory is so much easier to load and zip up. The zipper on the Gregory has a U-shape that runs a bit horizontally, creating more of a lid for the top the way it flips open toward the front. The Osprey zipper runs vertically. When you load it full the zipper is strained more and makes zipping up more difficult as seen in the video.
Just playing devils advocate - I wonder if the downwards pointing water bladder hose outlet is for waterproofing. If it pointed up, the water would get in easier.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, you might be right that this was intentional for the reason you stated. If you watch closely again you can also see that material above the slot sort of acts as a hood. Some do not think about these details, but if one is out there for hours in the rain then they are suddenly important. I still think the slot is too tight. As I mentioned in another reply, I was a little harsh with my criticism at this point, but my production company (me) has no time to edit it out :)
Im torn whether to go with Zulu 30 or Zulu 35. But looking at this, its more or less the same size (things can fit into the bag) as the Osprey Stratos 34. What do you think? Im a guy 5'9 175lbs.
Your question is not clear to me. First, the Zulu 30 in my comparison seems to fit more than the Stratos 34. The load packs in more easily and the zipper closes more easily. I have seen the Zulu 35 only online. One difference is that it has a top lid/brain. But I'm not sure what's under that lid. The pictures on the Gregory site aren't so clear. Only you know what's best for your use. I would have use for the Osprey too if I kept it, but I liked the Zulu 30 more. Between the Zulu 30 and 35, I would try to find some reviews and pictures of the 35 to understand better. If you are able, bring two home to try them like I did. Good luck.
@@idhamrodzali6091 Yes, as I replied to another similar comment, it seems there is no standard for specifying the volume. You could see in the video that with the overnight load, I could have put even more inside the Zulu 30 than I did. The volume ratings for these two bags really do not make sense when compared to each other.
That sounds about right. Either that, or Gregory is "sandbagging" with their 30 liter designation. Either way, the comparison of these two packs is what it is. I'm thinking of buying other packs every now and then for comparison to the Gregory (my standard so to speak), maybe at a quicker pace. A theme like: "How does brand x compare to the Gregory?" Do you think that would be interesting?
You could be a huge success on RUclips solely doing bag & pack reviews.
This is exactly what I wanted to see and what no other reviewer seems to show me!
I want to see the bags loaded up realistically (individually or comparisons like this). Thank you for the great work! Earned my sub.
Thank you! I'm not looking to be a sensation, but all these positive comments have me thinking of doing some follow-up comparisons to the Gregory. Kind of a challenge of what bag can beat the Gregory... I have a few other amateur gear reviews on my channel. Again, these reviews aren't a core focus for me but I appreciate your comments.
I've been watching a ton of videos and comparing backpacks. This videos is the best comparison video I have seen. Excellent job!
Glad it was helpful! The delay in my reply is because I was in the north country using it :). The Zulu 30 is serving me well.
Gregory FTW. i’m eliminating all of my Ospreys; leaving me with Gregory Citro 30, Zulu 30, and Deuter 65+.
Thank you for this review.
Dude, this is how a review should be done. THANK YOU! I am definitely getting the Zulu now, I am just on the fence between the 30 and 40 liter one now.
Thank you! Some really like the Zulu 40, and it can still be used for day hikes. If you do not already have a large backpack then you could certainly do some backpacking with the Zulu 40 as well as day hikes. You would need some rather light/compact gear for this.
Get the 40. You can always leave it less-than-full with your 30L of stuff for the day and you'll appreciate the additional 10L when you need it. I day hike around state parks with a 30L, but I day hike in the mountains with the 40L.
DUTCH ARMY BACK PACK. THEY ALL SO COME IN CAVILIAN VERSION'S. THE OFFICAL COMPANY THAT MAKE'S THEM IS LOWE'S ALPINE AN THEY COME IN SMALL, LARGE AN EXTRA LARGE. THE NAME'S ARE STRIKE THE SMALLER ONE, STING THE LARGE ONE AN SARACEN THE EXTRA LARGE 110L.
I just got the 40 after going a direct side-by-side at REI with my gear. See my explanation above and maybe it'll help.
One of the best review videos ever, hands down! 👏 Very thorough, informative, and practical. Thank you!!
Thank you!
Thanks for the excellent review! Nobody ever shows how a pack loads out in their reviews and it should really be the standard for a good review. I’m carrying the Zulu 30 on the Camino De Santiago next summer and couldn’t be happier with that decision.
Thanks, and Buen Camino!
Agreed, this was one of the best reviews I’ve seen of any daypack. Love the thorough review and how you compared both for a day hike and an overnight!
How did you go on the Camino with the Zulu 30? Would you have preferred a bit more space with the Zulu 40?
I almost bought Stratos 34, but after your fantastic review I decided for Zulu 30. Today I have used it for the first time and I really like it!
Great to hear!
Agree. The guy is very thorough and nice to see the practical scenario of actually packing the sack. Very good review.
I agree with so many others: Great job with details and examples. Honesty was clearly apparent. Very very helpful and completely changed my plan on purchasing which pack! ⭐️
I'm glad the review aided your decision.
This is just the type of review I was looking for. I've got an Osprey Aether 60 AG and a Camelbak Rim Runner 22 but I really want something that'll allow me to pack enough for an overnight if needed. The Camelbak is just a hint too small to really work and the Osprey, surprisingly, doesn't have much more room but the overall dimensions are quite a bit larger. I don't do any thru-hiking, so overnight (maybe two nights) would be the bulk of my use. Longer day hikes (challenging, mountains) with enough gear for contingencies is what I'll be doing, and this brought me to the ~30l size pack which seems to be the Goldilocks size for what I'm after.
I appreciate your loadouts for each and while I want to like the Osprey, the truth of the matter is that I think the Gregory makes the most sense and is much more versatile. Time to head to REI with my gear (something I didn't have when I bought my Osprey or Camelbak) and see if it all works for me too.
I know these videos take an incredible amount of time and effort, and I sure do appreciate that you took the time to make this for us!
Thanks for all your comments. Good luck with the selection to fill in your missing link.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I went to REI yesterday fulling intending to get the Zulu 30. In a rare moment of clarity I decided to bring my loadout for both tent and hammock camping. It turns out that REI encourages folks to do this! I stuffed all my gear into the 30 however it was pretty tight. The guy helping me suggested I look at the 40 (which I hadn't been aware of). Turns out the 40 is a panel loader instead of a top loader (though can be used as a top loader). Otherwise, it is identical. Interestingly, the overall dimensions are nearly identical but there's just enough extra room, and the ability to load from the face of the pack which made me go that direction. It also gives the advantage of a little less incursion of the water bladder into the cargo space.
If you're like me, and aren't an ultra-lighter, I think the advantages of the 40 prove significant while retaining the outstanding features of the 30 in a nearly identical footprint. If you're an overnighter you'll appreciate the extra pack room (which can be cinched down) and if you're a day packer you'll appreciate that you can still get it to compress as much as the 30 since I'm pretty sure they're built on the same frame.
Also, the 40 is only 5oz heavier than the 30 so you're not paying a significant weight penalty for the extra space; for me, this was well worth it.
Here's a consideration for some: The packs both share the right features. Maybe it could be a touch lighter but the truth is that it's so good that this is as close to the ideal pack as has been invented for the 'weekend warrior' who does a day or two overnight. With that said, if your gear is tight in the 30 go to the 40 because the stress on the seams will prematurely wear any pack and significantly compromise its waterproofing much faster. For the pure longevity of it, choose the option that puts less internal stress on the bag but still meets your gear carrying requirements.
Amazing review! I was already heavily considering the Zulu, but I have other Osprey packs I like, and I was looking for a review of the comparable pack, and I found your review! This couldn't of been more helpful and your detailed and extensive review of both helped me seal the deal.for.the Zulu. I'm needing a day pack for 14ers and want that cavernous space, as opposed to the extra compartment pockets the osprey has. Thank you so so much!!
I'm glad the review was helpful. Thanks for watching.
Good comparison. I use the Osprey Stratos 34 for my day pack, mostly for hiking and photography trips. I slide a F-Stop medium shallow ICU insert into the main compartment and that keeps either a full DSLR kit or medium format film kit. The one thing that I really think they missed the boat on was not equipping the stratos 34 with a large stretchy stow-a-way back pocket for rain gear and such like their Atmos 65 pack has. I don't use water bladders so that is really not a concern for me. I think you made the correct conclusion for your hiking needs.
Great review. Really answers the question their websites or REI don’t. Love the trick with the trekking poles! I’m going to have to steal that.
Thanks for this comprehensive review. certainly cleared up a few things. Never thought of Gregory, will check them out.
That's how reviews should look like!
Thank you very much!
This is an absolutely fantastic comparison and I appreciate the detail you put into the video! Fantastic!
Thank you, Nick. Much appreciated. When I took the time to compare the two for myself, I thought it was worth it to record and share my observations with others. I was concerned that the edited version of the review still ended up 30+ minutes, i.e. too long. Your response and others indicate that people serious about gear want to see a thorough comparison like this. I hiked some long day hikes over very rough terrain this summer: 14, 12 and 12 hours with 5000+ ft elevation each. The Zulu 30 rode very comfortably on my hips to save shoulder strain, and I think the vented back made a difference during fairly warm days. The side mesh pockets are also located within reach with pack on, e.g. stowing or grabbing my Outdoor Research hat, etc. The pack's overall comfort and usability met my high expectations.
Excellent review and also comparison bringing a lot of design differences between the two bags. Good job!
I have a Stratos 50 and its amazing. I also have a Lowe Alpine 32 liters which is my top choice until 35 liters.
Thanks for the comment. Yes, @matchstick publications also commented that the Stratos 50 is a good one. I am not so familiar with Lowe Alpine packs. Which model do you have? For anyone interested, the website for Lowe Alpine gear is: rab.equipment/us/
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I have Lowe Alpine Cholatse 32
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I'm a Lowe Alpine guy from way back in the 80s when Greg Lowe still owned the company before selling to RAB, but swapped to Gregory back in the mid 2000s. I have a Walkabout 35, Crossvent 45, and an old 55L climbing pack. I tried Osprey, good packs but not for me. Packs are very subjective to individual preference. I love my Waymark Thru 50 as well as the Outdoor Vitals Shadowlite 45L I bought when it came out. I use packs for different things and seasons and for different terrain and speeds depending on time to hike vs mileage.
One thing can only be tested by the buyer and that is the fit. I tried the women’s versions of these two packs…the Jade and Sirrus. The Jade immediately had my knees hurting, but the Sirrus feels like part of me. The fit is so important!
Thanks for the video, Yep, I don't like the zipper on the Osprey 34, now they have 36 which is 'normal' top loader with a lid
I'mportant to note for travel, the zulu fits in carryon dimensions of airlines like Ryanair, while the Stratos 34 does not.
Thanks for pointing that out. It's ironic that the Zulu 30 fits more load.
I prefer the Osprey Stratos... BUT i do wish the Stratos had the stretch mess shove it pocket on the front instead of the zippered pocket. I find the zippered pocket useless when the pack is full. Other than that i love this pack. I have the 34 & 50L Stratos. I also have the Osprey Talon 22, 33 & 44. Those packs are when I want to go lighter & they have the stretch front pocket i like. I also have an Osprey Atmos AG 65 when i need to carry really heavy loads. Can you tell I am an “Osprey guy”? Lol.
Thanks for commenting. Indeed, you are an Osprey guy! In terms of carrying gear in this size range, I could have also compared the Zulu 30 to the Osprey Talon 33. That would pack gear more similarly to the Zulu, I think. It's lighter without the frame and goes right against the back. I figured I would go for the comfort of the airy back. People seem to really like the comfort of both the Stratos and Zulu lines. My son also has the Atmos AG 65 and that's a great pack.
I just want to know how often your hiking buddies give you a hard time as you are trying to select the optimum pack for the day from that arsenal you have :) ?
@@PaoloFrancesco99 My hiking buddies are cool with it. Most of them have many backpacks as well. My girlfriend on the other hand doesn’t understand my obsession. 😂
Why not trying osprey trek travel series. Also great backpack
what you want is the Manta 34, which is almost identical to the Stratos except for the front pocket arrangement. I like that pack much better.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Here's a question though, what is the difference between the Talon 33 and the Stratos 34 ? I thought the Stratos had a much more robust 'suspension' system and that's where the additional cost was. The Talon 33's suspension seemed much less advanced.
The Stratos 34 seems like this midway weird pack that doesn't compare well to anything else.
thorough and honest with so much details, thank you !
Thanks for watching. Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you I was leaning toward the osprey but will research the Gregory now.
You're welcome.
I recently bought the Sirrus 34 - woman's equivalent for Stratos 34 - and while its quality is top notch, I noticed I did not like the space management. It is way too narrow and lacks of depth, therefore it is tall. It makes it rather unpractical to use, but most importantly, I do not fit a lot of items inside it. It is about the same than a 24L Eastpak in terms of capacity, really weird. Now, I do like the pockets, and that every load seems very light. I mostly use it with my electric scooter for small groceries and for weekend trips, but it is way too small for things like sleeping outside while hiking or for a week vacation.
Thanks for sharing your experience.
Thanks so much for this comparison video. I don't normally leave likes on videos, but this one deserved it. Also, I don't normally comment on videos, but this video also deserved it, as well. I am between these two packs and the Deuter Futura 29 EL. I tried the Deuter Futura 27, and it was too small, and it didn't fit my Tenba BYOB camera insert, so I am doubtful about the 29L version being much better for that scenario. If it doesn't suit me, I will definitely go with the Gregory Zulu 30 because of your comparison. Thanks again!
Thanks Eric. There's a popular video on just the Stratos 34 by a guy who loads some camera equipment, I think. Check out "Osprey Stratos 34 Day Pack Review - Most versatile hiking backpack?" But honestly, I still don't think it compares to the cavernous compartment of the Zulu 30, and the better design of the stretchy pockets, etc. I just went out on a nice hike this past weekend and I'm still super pleased with it. Fyi, some choose to go with the Zulu 40 because the frame size is nearly the same as the 30 but it has even more volume. I'm not sure of specific differences between the 30 and the 40 in terms of features.
I have multiple Deuter ELs as I have a long torso. They fit much better than the regular version if your torso is over 55cm. The futura back panel is comfortable and durable but it does take a chunk out of the backpack due to its curve, even in the EL version.
Great review! I recently got the Zulu 30 but was curious about the osprey. Glad I made the choice I did! I’m loving the bag just as you mentioned
Thanks for watching. Your comment helps others know that it's really a great pack.
Thank you. This is exactly what i have been looking for.
This really was a superb review! Thank you 🌹🌈☀️ This plus OutdoorGearLab ranking the Gregory Jade (which is the female version of the Zulu) as the most comfortable trekking pack it's ever tested over the years, has definitely got me thinking this is going to be my next pack 😄
Thank you so much, this review really did push me over the edge, it was so well done - Really appreciate it 🌈
Thanks, Emma. I hope you find a pack that you like.
I also have both Gregory and Osprey backpacks and found that Gregory backpacks fit me better and were more comfortable.
Thanks for sharing.
Excellent video and demo! I’m looking at the Gregory Zulu packs right now to upgrade my dinky 16L hydration pack. Looks like the 30L will do the trick!
Thank you for your comment! I'm glad the video was helpful. Enjoy your new pack!
Excellent video and review. Very helpful information and comparison points. Thank you!!
Thanks for the review, looking to buy the Gregory for day hikes.
Great. I hope you enjoy it.
This video was SUPER helpful! Thank you!
Excellent review
thank U for good review! im already choose
Compare gregory zulu 40 anda osprey archeon 45 ,please
Good. I'm looking for something between 20 and 30L, preferably in the middle. Back pack size rating is weird. I think that if two litters water bottles can fit into external pockets they are included as 4 litters and if jacket can be attached by rope mesh, it's included as well. I think my 12L back pack is 50% smaller than old one which had 14L i think and my 60+10 backpack can fit twice more than 45L.
EDIT: decided for Gregory citro 24L. It's pretty comfortable and I think few things can be improved: reflective, visible raincoat (walking in black on the roadside in bad weather/twilight etc is not great) and better compatibility with other hydratation bladders (Osprey - does not work, Camelbag - works, but can be more comfortable than small loop, for example velcro strap). Side pockets are without compression straps, so I wouldn't use them for small items, on the other hand hip belt is perfect for them - I wouldn't put phone there, mine is like 6.5", it fits, but it's not comfotable.
Thank you for the video! What a great review to watch! I'm a little on the fence still... but now definitely Zulu is a strong candidate in the backpack race.
Fantastic comparison! Thank you!
This is a great video thank you for sharing
Two things to remember when buying any pack, regardless of brand. If you order a small or small/medium you'll lose pack room by at least a liter or maybe 2 (less material to make the pack). if you go large or large/extra large you'll gain a liter in size in some circumstances 2 liters (more material to make the pack). The second thing is to remember that packs and brands are very subjective to the user.
Both good points. Fyi, the bags under review were both M/L size.
Great comparison!! Thank you!!
Just what I needed to know!
Glad to hear it. What is your take after watching the comparison?
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Zulu 30...same color...to do Camino del Norte
@@MassiveCarbonFootprint Fantastic! Buen camino! Maybe I'll use mine there some day...
I like stratos 34,but i have dont money buy,please u can buy 1 stratos 34
Excellent review. Thank you.
Your review and comparison is very thorough and helpful. It did leave me a bit confused and I’m hoping you can explain something to me. If the stratos is 34L and the Zulu is 30L why no is it that you seemingly have more space in the Zulu? I just can’t understand it.
Aha! That's a good question. And you would be confused...if you believe the numbers. But I had no tricks up my sleeve with those identical loads in the comparison, so it seems the makers did not measure their volume the same way. I believe another on-line commenter theorized that Osprey loaded each pocket individually and added the volumes together. Remember how that front pocket becomes "useless" if the main compartment is full? The volume should represent how much the pack can fit when each section is filled - at the same time. In any case, it's always good to try things out in person if you can and that's why I gave both a try.
Total Versus - thanks!
Great comparison and review! Can you please elaborate on how you attach and use shock cords for trekking poles on the Gregory pack? That would be super useful! :-) Thank you!
Thanks! I added some basic instruction about the DIY trekking pole hack in the description of the video. I used this feature while on some hikes and it worked really well.
Hi, like your review, but I`m not agree with your opinion (on 12`26``) about the design fail. I do not want that opening upwards. Rains... But +1 for the Zulu
Thanks for your comment. You make an important observation! I still don't like the detail of the Osprey design in this area. Keep in mind that there's also a fabric hood just above the opening that you can kind of see if you pause the video. The slot opening is so tight that it nearly causes the tube to kink and restrict flow. Unfortunately, I did not put on the rain cover to see if it would cover this area well. I regret the words I chose at this part because it was a bit negative, but the video is done now... Thanks again for sharing your idea.
Big thanks man
Great review.
This was a terrific comparison! I bought the Zulu and your review sealed the deal. Here's a stupid question: I like your stash'n'go pole innovation--are shock cords readily available? I'm also wondering about rigging up a way to tie something (sleeping pad, tent...) to the outside of the pack. Not a huge deal as I have a Kelty 44L that serves me well, but if I could make the Zulu even more versatile so much the better. Thanks!
Thank you! In USA, shock cord is sold at craft stores, at outdoor stores like REI, and of course on Amazon. I have also thought about someday rigging something to the Zulu 30, and I wish it had four lashing points. But I think one could use the upper straps clipped to each other as I showed in the review or the upper handle, plus loop something like shock cord to the lower straps near the pockets. Be careful not to stress these points too much though. Links for cord and accessory straps are listed below.
www.rei.com/product/867980/gear-aid-elastic-shockcord-7-ft
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06WP27FTN/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
or search on Amazon: PARACORD PLANET Bungee Nylon Shock Cord 2.5mm 1/32", 1/16", 3/16", 5/16", 1/8”, 3/8", 5/8", 1/4", 1/2 inch Crafting Stretch String 10 25 50 & 100 Foot Lengths Made in USA
www.rei.com/product/162155/rei-co-op-packmod-accessory-straps-package-of-2
www.rei.com/product/813695/sea-to-summit-hook-release-34-accessory-straps-package-of-2
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Thanks so much! Today I learned...I wondered if the cord was fastened at the end, but now I understand. Appreciate it
That's actually an advertised feature of the bag. It was the one 'discovery' about the bag that he made which is a stated feature. With so many features it would be easy to overlook though.
Great review, man!
Gerat review. well done!
Thanks for the very useful comparison! Thums up and subscribed.
Greeting from Germany.
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Bitte Herr Attila :)
Thanks, this was helpful!
Thanks for watching. Glad it was helpful.
I went from Osprey to Gregory and never looked back. I have Zulu 30&40.
Yes, and your video comparing the Stratos 26 and Zulu 30 helped to peak my interest in the Gregory. I thought the Stratos 34 would compare better, but still no. So I thought I would share this comparison as well.
Big fan of the Zulu 40. The extra 10L is there if you need it, and its not oversized for a short dayhike either.
Very informative! I wish I had the patience to do a video like this lol
If you want a carry-on for all airlines for a 5 day trip could u use the 40l or go with the 30l?
Good question. I'm not certain about compatibility with carrying on. When you say all airlines, be aware that European carry-on limits are smaller than those in the US. I would find out which size Zulu is compatible where you're going, maybe asking Gregory. Then decide which pack size is best for you.
If you use an osprey brand bladder... they can separate from the top of the bag from rhe tube... wondering if that's why it's so difficult to put on... they probably designed it to work for their own brand?
Maybe so. That detail is definitely not a sole reason not to get the Osprey. It was obviously a pet peeve of mine at the single take recording of my review. 😁
I had the previous version of Gregory Zulu and recently got the new one, I don’t get why they would remove things that were there. The bottom strap to attach ice axe/poles, there were two in my previous pack but the new version has only one of them? There was a zipped pouch in the front under that mesh pocket for the rain cover, i used to keep my maps there too, I see it’s gone. Pretty sure the top pouch looks roomier in my old pack. While the new one has much better back support, shoulder straps and opening style, I’m bummed losing other good features.
I hope to have a pleasant surprise for you. The rain cover on the new version is located in a zipped pocket just inside the front stretch pocket right below the clip. I forgot to show this in my review but did call it out with text on each bag. I understand your frustration about going down to just one strap for poles, etc. I can only guess they were pinching pennies and grams.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Oh yea I did find the rain cover later, at least that was a relief that there was a rain cover included.
wowww, that review made my day. Even though, i can not see the hype everyone is talking about the Gregory. First, I can not attach sleeping mat/tent at the bottom. If i attach at the side meshed pockets, it looks awful plus there is no space for water bottles. Second, I can't place a padded jacket at the front part (or anywhere else outside the bag) since the elastic front pocket is not very elastic and there may be space only for a thin rain jacket. (imagine the scenario that u hike to top of a mountain in winter. It gets hot while hiking up. U take of the padded winter jacket and u put outside the bag because you know that once you get on the top you will need to wear it asap coz its cold and windy. Putting it inside while the bag is already full is not an option.) Is it so hard to think of 2 extra straps and clips, where the front pocket is, to hold a winter jacket? I am using it this way already in my Deuter 25 liter and is phenomenal.
I briefly owned the Stratos, but I think that useless back pocket was one of the big things that made me send it back.
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Did you find another that's working for you?
Trying to figure out now if I should trade in my squeaky anti-gravity Manta for a non-squeaky non-anti-gravity version
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I really like the Manta. Its just squeaky 30% of the time. ruclips.net/video/FGQId7AyZMw/видео.html
@@SnareMan The Manta looks pretty nice too and its storage seems better than the Stratos 34. I already had bladders so maybe that's why I ignored it. What do you mean by anti-gravity version? The mesh back? What is squeaking?
@@PaoloFrancesco99 The hip belts hug your waist snuggly on both sides distributing more weight to the hips and taking some off the shoulders. They had an infamous squeaking problem with them so they redesigned them and took the AG out which is why the new hip flaps are more floppy. 14:30 in my video I linked there. Listening to it again it's not quite as evident in the video as in person.
Great video
What type of sleeping bag is that
Thanks. The little black stuff sack is the rectangular version of the Aegismax ultra-light down sleeping bag. The mummy version seems to be more readily available right now on Amazon, in USA anyway. I made a comparison video that was linked in the upper corner of the daypack review, but here's the link for it:
ruclips.net/video/_ZxhcD9w21Q/видео.html
Commenters mention that NatureHike might be an equivalent brand to Aegismax. It seems to be available through Prime.
The clip you use for the tube on the gregory... can't that be used to hold an umbrella handle? I have a gossamer gear umbrella holder... seems to look like that.
I would not advise using the water tube clip to hold an umbrella. I think it would impart too much stress on the thing. The water tube clip is part of a double duty piece that also has the chest strap clip. The piece clamps around the hard tubular part running up and down the chest strap (typical of packs) that allows the clip to slide up and down for the chest strap position adjustment. I think trying to hold the umbrella on this thing would either snap the plastic or tear the sliding pieces off of the tube.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I'll need to check it out at the store, but it looks as fragile as my gossamer gear umbrella holder.
@@fradee2830 Always the best way to judge for yourself. I checked out a picture of the gossamer umbrella clamp. I'd spend the $6 on the gossamer clamp designed for the umbrella and the occasional breeze that can yank on the clamp. In the store see how the clip on the Zulu 30 is attached to the strap. You don't want to tear this off and lose the ability to use the chest strap. Of course it's your call.
Nice review, how do the 21 oz hydroflasks fit on the sides of the bag ? of the Gregory? it looks too short
Good question. I know that my 1 liter Nalgenes are held very securely. I don't have a Hydroflask, but I see online that it's about 11" tall. I believe the Gregory would hold it securely enough. The pocket is 7-8" tall with great elastic hold.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 ok ty so much!
Thanks for the in depth video, it steered me from the stratos to zulu. But after doing a bit more research I see Gregory offers the Citro 30, which seems like it has the same features but there's a $40 difference and sure there are some differences that I'm missing. Are you familiar with that pack?
I wasn't familiar with the Citro but checked out the specs a bit. Here are things to consider:
The Citro comes with the Gregory bladder system and the Zulu does not.
Citro comes in one size and cannot adjust the torso length like the Zulu, so try it on.
Hip pockets appear to be a bit smaller, not a big deal.
The shape of the zipper is more like the Osprey I reviewed. I came to like the way the Zulu allows the whole tope to flip open without the whole load pouring out.
I think I saw that the Citro has a dedicated bladder pocket.
Citro is a bit lighter.
Citro does not include a rain cover. I highly recommend having one if you plan to do long hikes.
I think the Citro is a nice pack, but already having the Zulu and my own bladders, I still feel like I have the right one for me.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Only the "H20" versions of the Citro come with a Gregory bladder and hose. Citro30 vs. Citro30H20
Thanks for clarifying.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 thank you that reply was very helpful!
Could you kindly provide a list of the overnight items you used in this demo? I’ve never backpacked before and have Zulu 30, and I want to take it on a ultralight backpack trip (1-2nighter) with stuff I can fit into my Zulu 30 similar to how you did it
Apologies for this delayed reply. One's backbacking gear is a very personal choice and must be suited to the weather and situation. And first time backpackers should be careful to be prepared. An experienced car camper has a head start in this awareness. Perhaps you've already gotten out there. Anyway, to answer your question - you can check out options for light sleeping bags from Aegismax or Naturehike on Amazon. I like my Klymit sleeping pad, and they are quite good honoring their lifetime warranty. My first pad lasted years. When the valve failed they replaced the pad and with one that has a new and improved valve design.
Do you think Zulu will fit me well, I have 56 cm torso 1.93 cm ?
Thanks for the review
Since I'm in the USA, my Gregory website lists the torso length in inches. 56 cm = 22 inches. There's a size guide table on the Gregory website for the Zulu 30 and it does indicate that someone with 22 inch (56 cm) torso can use the M/L Zulu 30. Of course, it would be best if you give it a try with a load in it to see how it feels.
www.gregory.com/packs/day-packs/zulu-30/145ZUL30.html?dwvar_145ZUL30_color=Forage%20Green
I didn't see any torso adjustment on the Zulu. Can you confirm if there is any adjustability.
Yes, the Zulu has torso adjustment similar to many, with a very heavy duty velcro type system. I pulled the velcro apart on the Zulu at 02:35. Be sure to check out the two sizes, especially if you are in the middle like I am. I went up to the M/L size.
Thanks for the great review!
What do you think of the Citro vs the Zulu
Thanks. I haven't seen the Citro in person but it looks like a nice pack. It's one size fits all, so there might not be any height adjustment. The panel opening is more like the Osprey in my review, running over the top and vertically down the sides. I kind of like the way the U-shaped top opening works on the Zulu. Even though the capacities are listed as the same, I have a feeling that the Zulu might fit more. Both Citro and Zulu offer the very comfortable and cool mesh back. Try to compare them side by side if you can.
Thank you so much for this! Is this Zulu 30 a medium/large size?
And also, what brand are your pants! They are cool!
Yes, my Zulu 30 is the M/L size to fit my torso and it's compartment is also bigger than the S/M one. I needed the bigger one to fit my torso, but I end up tightening the hip belt all the way.
My pants are REI brand. Super comfortable. I'm not sure they make them anymore.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Great, thanks! I'm probably not as tall as you (I'm 5.11) but your review impressed me and I bought the same product. I can't wait to try it.
I like Osprey because they have backpacks specifically designed for a woman's frame. I don't understand the unisex backpacks as woman and men's bodies are not the same. I use that "useless" pocket for a packable raincoat or hat and gloves etc. Every pocket can be used for something and there's no such thing as a useless pocket. 10:17
Thanks for watching and commenting. I was reviewing the men's versions of each pack. Gregory Jade is the women's version of the Zulu. I was quoting other reviewers with the term "useless" for that front pocket on the Osprey and came to my own conclusion based on the two loads. It certainly becomes less useful if the main compartment is maxed out, but it's a nice place for things like you mentioned when space is left for them. A better head-to-head comparison for Osprey in terms of fitting the same amount of stuff would probably be the Stratos 36, although it's pricier than the Zulu 30. Keep on hikin' !
Thanks for the review. It was really useful! Have you also checked the Zulu 35l? Is there much of a difference?
I did not consider the Zulu 35, but I did not purposely exclude it. After another viewer asked about it I checked it out. The 35 has a top lid with a couple of lashing points instead of the panel zipper on the 30. I would look at the Gregory site for the 35 and decide which top you might prefer. Check dimensions as well. It could be that the 35 just has a little more room up top and that the rest is the same or similar.
OK, I will check it. Thanks for the answer.
Which backpack would you recommend for the Camino de Santiago de Compostela via the French Way?
I live in the USA and I am not familiar with any of the Camino routes. I would try to find some discussion forums. However, a couple of commenters to my video here said they would use the Zulu 30 for the Camino. Another said he found the Zulu 40 to be an excellent choice, and not too much bigger than the Zulu 30. Good luck.
I used zulu 40 and it was great.
Hey, do these backpacks have any straps to attach pickax when need to carry both hiking polls and pickax.
Each of these backpacks has just one loop and clasp feature, as shown at the beginning of my video. One could use this feature for the pickaxe and put poles in one of the side pockets with the handles down to avoid poking a hole in the pocket.
Could I fit semi auto crampons in this bottom pocket of Stratos?
Good question. I'm just starting to gear up for winter hiking myself so I'm no expert packing for winter excursions. I have micro-spikes so far. Crampons are bigger, and pointier! Assuming they come with a tough stuff sack to avoid damage to the pack, I think you could put crampons in that lower pocket. However, if you really like the Osprey then I would move up to a large size for winter hiking, especially for longer outings where you'll want to keep layers, emergency sleeping gear, etc. You saw in my video that the Stratos 34 gets tight quickly. Check out lots of videos out there on winter hiking gear and you'll get some good ideas on what pack would accommodate the gear. I plan to try the Zulu 30 on my initial winter outings to see how it goes.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 That's a good point, I should definitely secure those sharp spikes.
Im from Poland and Tatra Mountains are my main goal for now so Im looking for something versatile with mesh back panel so it would work for summer, but I also need backpack where I can externally attach helmet and iceaxe and also separate pocket for crampons that I would use in winter.
I dont really need 40l or 50l even for winter routes thats why Im interested in Stratos 34l or 36l.
I think I will try 34 and see how it works.
Thank you for you answer!
@@icom782Good luck and enjoy!
Update - I would focus on the 36L. I think you will like it better for winter and it will also work for summer. It won't be too big.
Im torn whether to buy Zulu 30 or Stratos 34. Im going solo backpacking in Europe next year for 3-4 months, and I need a backpack that would fit into carry on flight. I'm a minimalist 5'9 170lbs guy, and i would bring few clothes with me. In terms of tech, I would probably bring 13' macbook pro because I do video editing, and travel book. I also will bring mirrorless Fujiflm XT4 camera with 1 lens. Im going summer next year so I dont need too heavy/thick clothing. What do you think I should buy? Or any other backpack suggestion that you give me? Thanksss!
Trust me. I understand the difficulty in making a choice when both packs have good points. That's why I purchased both to try them out with some gear related to my activities (long day hikes). I suggest you do the same if you are able to purchase both and return one conveniently.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 I tried and love them both but the end I bought Zulu 35. The front stretch mesh pocket is the dealbreaker for me, i feel like it can fit more items that I wouldnt want them in the bag, like rainjacket, or wet/dirty clothes, food container, etc. Thank you for the video and respond. :)
Excellent review. I enjoyed it a great deal. What does that say about my life?
Ha! Well, let's analyze.
"Excellent review." - You are kind enough to share a complement when someone else has done a decent job at something. Thank you!
"I enjoyed it a great deal." - You are probably into hiking, outdoors, and good gear like me and anyone else like you who watched a review about two packs for 30 minutes. And maybe the review made you understand the differences in these packs. And watching this review was probably a good break from watching the current world news.
"What does this say about my life?" - You're probably just like the rest of us outdoor types who would rather be in the woods than in front of a computer.
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Hey man! Great Review!, Do you know if it is possible to fit a 15,6” Laptop in the Gregory Zulu 30/35 ??
Thanks! It's not only possible, but it could run laps inside 😀. So you would want to make sure that other parts of the load help keep it securely in place since there is no pocket intended to hold it.
which one do you prefer between zulu35 vs stratos 34?
Hi. That is a very good question. I did not even consider the Zulu 35, but I just looked at the Gregory website to see the differences. The website says that the Zulu 35 has the U-Zip access like the 30, but seeing the top cover confuses me. Watching a review of the 35 or 40 might provide more detail about that. I also noticed that the top has a couple of tie-off points. The Zulu 30 and Statos 34 do not have specific tie-off points, but I think one could do it with a little creativity. If you are considering the Zulu 35, I think it might compare more closely to the Osprey Talon 33. The Zulu 35 has the FreeFloat suspension but the Talon 33 does not.
tks for your kind reply. then in case of zulu30 vs stratos34, which one is better? once you give me an answer, i will click a buy button straight away :)
They both have good features. As I said in the video, I decided to keep the Zulu 30. If you cannot compare the packs next to each other like I did then think about what features are most important to you. It's your decision :) .
@@PaoloFrancesco99 thank you very much and i just bought a stratos 34 :)
Enjoy it!
Comparing apples and oranges?
I can't find orange Zulu anywhere. Where did you get it?
Its on sale on amazon right now. 34$ off
As of this reply in August 2021, Gregory has a sale and free 2-day shipping. You can also try REI. They call the color Fiery Red.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Unfortunately, only black and blue are sold in Europe (
Looks like it's time for a holiday in USA to pick up the fiery red :)
Have to disagree when using the compression strap, and opening the large pocket, you just pull the zip underneath the straps instead of undoing them.
Sure, that could work. It's occurred to me though why the Gregory is so much easier to load and zip up. The zipper on the Gregory has a U-shape that runs a bit horizontally, creating more of a lid for the top the way it flips open toward the front. The Osprey zipper runs vertically. When you load it full the zipper is strained more and makes zipping up more difficult as seen in the video.
Just playing devils advocate - I wonder if the downwards pointing water bladder hose outlet is for waterproofing. If it pointed up, the water would get in easier.
Thanks for your comment. Yes, you might be right that this was intentional for the reason you stated. If you watch closely again you can also see that material above the slot sort of acts as a hood. Some do not think about these details, but if one is out there for hours in the rain then they are suddenly important. I still think the slot is too tight. As I mentioned in another reply, I was a little harsh with my criticism at this point, but my production company (me) has no time to edit it out :)
Is that a dayhike pack
It works very well for day hikes. As I displayed, one might also be able to use it for overnight with a very light load.
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Im torn whether to go with Zulu 30 or Zulu 35. But looking at this, its more or less the same size (things can fit into the bag) as the Osprey Stratos 34. What do you think? Im a guy 5'9 175lbs.
Your question is not clear to me. First, the Zulu 30 in my comparison seems to fit more than the Stratos 34. The load packs in more easily and the zipper closes more easily. I have seen the Zulu 35 only online. One difference is that it has a top lid/brain. But I'm not sure what's under that lid. The pictures on the Gregory site aren't so clear. Only you know what's best for your use. I would have use for the Osprey too if I kept it, but I liked the Zulu 30 more. Between the Zulu 30 and 35, I would try to find some reviews and pictures of the 35 to understand better. If you are able, bring two home to try them like I did. Good luck.
@@PaoloFrancesco99 What I dont understand is Why Zulu 30 seems to fit more than Stratos 34? Because on paper, its 34L, should be more space than 30L.
@@idhamrodzali6091 Yes, as I replied to another similar comment, it seems there is no standard for specifying the volume. You could see in the video that with the overnight load, I could have put even more inside the Zulu 30 than I did. The volume ratings for these two bags really do not make sense when compared to each other.
The Stratos should really be 28 liters, not 34.
That sounds about right. Either that, or Gregory is "sandbagging" with their 30 liter designation. Either way, the comparison of these two packs is what it is. I'm thinking of buying other packs every now and then for comparison to the Gregory (my standard so to speak), maybe at a quicker pace. A theme like: "How does brand x compare to the Gregory?" Do you think that would be interesting?
@@PaoloFrancesco99 Yes, it would be.
Excellent review - thank you!
Thanks man! very useful