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…it’s such a valuable lesson I’ve heard for years in some form or another, like the Hogan Move or in the Jim McLean pump drill. So many times when things are going south in my swing that a revisit to this element of the swing has me back on track for success Thanks! 👍🏻
I have some elbow pain and wrist and release issues. "Lower elbow first, then release lower arm," the yoyo... this solves that weird feeling of being torqued and whipping! I was trying to do it all at once... This feels so much more healthy on my joints... I was getting my elbow down, but needed a lot of hand and wrist action to hit shots well... A great and healthy feeling, thanks!
Thanks for the video. I've been working on separating the elbow from ribs in backswing and reconnecting on down so this should help with timing. I'm having an issue with too much shoulder tilt and not enough shoulder turn on downswing which results in an early extension on video, would love more vids on maybe how to fix this
@@AthleticMotionGolf Indeed. I learned to play by reading BHogan's book and the Little Green Book. (Not that I'm dating myself...) but what you guys are doing makes understanding and enacting much much easier!
Yes, you won't get any height in your backswing and have too much depth. They mentioned this in a video for people who overdo the towel drill (towel tucked into both armpits and across chest) and try to do full swings.
I would really like to see this move in Gears as it relates to the Driver. I'm not yet convinced that the trail elbow lowers as much or as soon with the driver swing. I've experimented with this with the driver and I've come to the conclusion that the "feel" (feel v real) of extending my trail arm as as soon as possible gives me longer and more consistent drives. Am I misinterpreting my own diagnosis ? can we see this move in Gears for more in-depth detail ? I love you guy' instructional videos, I've been watching you for several years and your video's help me improve and help others trying to improve their game as well. I have subbed BTW - a long time (years) ago.
Can you please clarify something for me? Is the lowering of the humerus happening via shoulder extension or adduction? Sagittal plane or frontal? Or a combination of both? Thanks!
Love this move. As you lower the trail arm towards the rib cage, what is your trail wrist doing? Are you actively extending the trail wrist to prevent the clubface from opening so it will be square at impact?
Very nice. Quick question, how does shallowing the club work together with the magic move? Are they one and the same? I don't think they are separate, but I don't think that I can think of them as separate when I'm trying to hit the ball.
The dirty little secret is the club doesn’t shallow in the downswing relative to the ground or the player. It only looks like it does relative to an arbitrary static camera angle which doesn’t which typically causes more confusion than provides answers. All good players manage the rate of steepening coming down. The club gets flipped upside down in the backswing. It has to get flipped right side up coming down. It just doesn’t like so simple because of all the body rotation while that happening. We’ll cover this a lot more this year!
I find that if I lead with my elbow on the downswing then I hit the correct place on my side and my arm will unfold. Some players lead with their hands and this inevitably takes their hands out and consequently the elbow and they find it difficult to correctly locate the elbow on their side. Great video again guys. Love the Titleist merch you’re wearing, are you selling off your AMG caps at a reduced price😂
Great drill. I can do this in slow motion, but when I try in full motion I revert to my old habits. How many reps should it take to master? Would love to see more above camera angles on the swoosh move from lead arm parallel in the backswing to lead arm parallel in the downswing.
Ohhh..good catch on external connection not lowering. That can narrow it too... So you answered my question. But here's the one I went to bed and woke up with so I have to ask... The video where you say by left arm parallel the weight needs to already be forward and the percentage should stay tight throughout the rest of the swing.. My question is how can you...OR.. Does the weight percentage not ACTUALLY change much... With all the pressure when pushing up with the left leg? Is it the mass doesn't change but you can increase the pressure all day kinda thing?
@@rickmiller8893 don’t over think it lol. Too much of what the body is doing has been attributed to GRF lately. It’s a factor but not the factor. The weight does move forward as the pressure vector angles back. But that’s most done without trying to push back, at all.
I’ve been working on my right arm for weeks. I have a very slight flip at impact and have been trying to diagnose it. On a DTL view, I noticed my elbow is pointed a little back where most pros are vertical at P6. I’m physically able to externally rotate, but don’t feel that at all in my swing. Can you explain the importance of externally rotating the trail shoulder in a future video?
Good question! Most pros from DTL at 6 will have it angled a bit back (less than vertical). And definitely DO NOT try to go into ext rotation. That’s a terrible idea and something we haven’t seen a single pro measured to do. Checkout our Pros vs Ams video on shallowing for what does happen 😉
I struggle with hypermobility, and this move has changed my golf. But I also feel like it puts a lot of pressure on my lead rotator cuff, and have already subluxed it once. Essentially feels like I’m creating almost more potential energy in rotation than I can hold with that should in a weak position. Any thoughts/ideas?
How to make this move without feeling like I’m chopping the ground behind the ball.. is that common sequence problem you guys have drills to change something else in my sequence to allow this lowering/reconnection to happen?
Would you recommend keeping the upper arm attached for 3/4 shots such as pitch shots, I wouldn't have thought there was any value in disconnecting and reconnecting it for a 3/4 or less swing. In a full swing then it should leave and re-attache during transition/early downswing otherwise we'd lose a lot of power. (hence why we just can't leave it there for all shots). Also having the right elbow pit facing away will help this move.
it depends on how high you want it to go and the amount of spin you are after.... but assuming you're not a pro, I'mma advise you to do whatever you're most comfortable and confident with lol
“Connection” isn’t the best way to think about it. It’s too vague of a feel. The facts are the arm lifts in the takeaway between 5-15 degrees. That puts the club on plane vs having it work inside. Many ams lower it during that time by 5-15 degrees. Possibly from chasing “connection”
Good video, but it would help to show where on your torso you aim to connect your trail elbow. You could use a red sticker on your shirt to show it, such as the side of the top rib, or in front of the ribs. It's hard to tell. Also, do you feel like you are pointing the pointy part of the bottom of the elbow at the target? Any little tricks like that would help. Thank you for all the great videos.
get some kind of rod you can stick through your front belt loops so that it's parallel with the ground and pointed at your target.... now when you take a swing, your hands and club should never fall behind where that stick is on your back side... if you play around with that you'll start to feel where the reconnection point is (if you need help finding the feel that is)
Just lower it to the side of your ribcage. Or you can think of matching the underside vertical seam of your sleeve to the vertical seem on the side of your shirt.
When the right elbow (for a RH golfer) reconnects to the side of the body, should the right palm of your hand be facing up to the sky or down to the ball? I feel like I’ve seen (confusing and) various takes on the “delivery position” and it seems to me in this video, it’s closer to “palm up to sky” which I assume means more club face rotation to square it before impact.
Which body part should dominate this feel/movement: Arm? Hands? Elbow? Biceps? Shoulder? I’ve had my best results/performance feeling dropping my shoulder but sometimes I get stuck/hang back/drops too much which causes other issues
You can tell when someone is doing this right because the shaft comes back down below the trail shoulder from the behind view, anyway thanks guy's great stuff as always 🍻👍👌
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Excellent as usual! And the graphics highlights to emphasize areas of the body are very, very helpful! Thanks!
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…it’s such a valuable lesson I’ve heard for years in some form or another, like the Hogan Move or in the Jim McLean pump drill. So many times when things are going south in my swing that a revisit to this element of the swing has me back on track for success Thanks! 👍🏻
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The drill works! This might be something I start doing everyday.
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I have some elbow pain and wrist and release issues. "Lower elbow first, then release lower arm," the yoyo... this solves that weird feeling of being torqued and whipping! I was trying to do it all at once... This feels so much more healthy on my joints... I was getting my elbow down, but needed a lot of hand and wrist action to hit shots well... A great and healthy feeling, thanks!
@@andrewconnor4429 love hearing that 🙌
Thanks for the video. I've been working on separating the elbow from ribs in backswing and reconnecting on down so this should help with timing. I'm having an issue with too much shoulder tilt and not enough shoulder turn on downswing which results in an early extension on video, would love more vids on maybe how to fix this
We see that every day. Make sure your lead should er move way more across than down 👍
When the elbow reconnects and the end of shaft is pointing closer to the line of feet (steep) is that the pull down move?
@@tonymaher4624 if end of shift points at your feet, you’re probably supinating. Think lowering a bicep curl vs hammer curl
I've read both the Little Green Book and the Little Red Book. Never caught this idea. Awesome vid, as usual!
You know, those books are good, but sometimes a video is the best way to see it 😉
@@AthleticMotionGolf Indeed. I learned to play by reading BHogan's book and the Little Green Book. (Not that I'm dating myself...) but what you guys are doing makes understanding and enacting much much easier!
Like a bicep curl
Does it cause any problems to have the elbow connected throughout the backswing so you don’t have to worry about the reconnection part?
I expect they'll tell you that this would narrow your swing arc, costing you club head speed, and therefore distance.
Yes, you won't get any height in your backswing and have too much depth. They mentioned this in a video for people who overdo the towel drill (towel tucked into both armpits and across chest) and try to do full swings.
…I lose width easily so I do my best to not stay connected going back. I saw Nellie using a pool floatie on her trail arm. I ordered one immediately!
Yes do not do that. Haha
I would really like to see this move in Gears as it relates to the Driver.
I'm not yet convinced that the trail elbow lowers as much or as soon with the driver swing.
I've experimented with this with the driver and I've come to the conclusion that the "feel" (feel v real) of extending my trail arm as as soon as possible gives me longer and more consistent drives.
Am I misinterpreting my own diagnosis ?
can we see this move in Gears for more in-depth detail ?
I love you guy' instructional videos, I've been watching you for several years and your video's help me improve and help others trying to improve their game as well.
I have subbed BTW - a long time (years) ago.
It’ll be the same, but typically coming from a more rotated torso in the backswing 👍
Can you please clarify something for me? Is the lowering of the humerus happening via shoulder extension or adduction? Sagittal plane or frontal? Or a combination of both? Thanks!
Mostly extension. A little ADduction and a little internal.
Love this move. As you lower the trail arm towards the rib cage, what is your trail wrist doing? Are you actively extending the trail wrist to prevent the clubface from opening so it will be square at impact?
No the motion does that for free
Very nice. Quick question, how does shallowing the club work together with the magic move? Are they one and the same? I don't think they are separate, but I don't think that I can think of them as separate when I'm trying to hit the ball.
The dirty little secret is the club doesn’t shallow in the downswing relative to the ground or the player. It only looks like it does relative to an arbitrary static camera angle which doesn’t which typically causes more confusion than provides answers. All good players manage the rate of steepening coming down. The club gets flipped upside down in the backswing. It has to get flipped right side up coming down. It just doesn’t like so simple because of all the body rotation while that happening. We’ll cover this a lot more this year!
Lowering the right arm while maintaining the wrist angles in transition? At would point during downswing would you unhinge the wrists?
@@Whoelse455 the unhinging starts up around lead arm parallel.
I find that if I lead with my elbow on the downswing then I hit the correct place on my side and my arm will unfold. Some players lead with their hands and this inevitably takes their hands out and consequently the elbow and they find it difficult to correctly locate the elbow on their side. Great video again guys. Love the Titleist merch you’re wearing, are you selling off your AMG caps at a reduced price😂
We just ordered more, and a new style, AMG hat 👊😊
Great drill. I can do this in slow motion, but when I try in full motion I revert to my old habits.
How many reps should it take to master?
Would love to see more above camera angles on the swoosh move from lead arm parallel in the backswing to lead arm parallel in the downswing.
It takes as many reps it takes. 🤷♂️. The problem is most people will not go slow enough to learn the movements
Ohhh..good catch on external connection not lowering. That can narrow it too... So you answered my question. But here's the one I went to bed and woke up with so I have to ask... The video where you say by left arm parallel the weight needs to already be forward and the percentage should stay tight throughout the rest of the swing.. My question is how can you...OR.. Does the weight percentage not ACTUALLY change much... With all the pressure when pushing up with the left leg? Is it the mass doesn't change but you can increase the pressure all day kinda thing?
@@rickmiller8893 don’t over think it lol. Too much of what the body is doing has been attributed to GRF lately. It’s a factor but not the factor. The weight does move forward as the pressure vector angles back. But that’s most done without trying to push back, at all.
I’ve been working on my right arm for weeks. I have a very slight flip at impact and have been trying to diagnose it. On a DTL view, I noticed my elbow is pointed a little back where most pros are vertical at P6. I’m physically able to externally rotate, but don’t feel that at all in my swing. Can you explain the importance of externally rotating the trail shoulder in a future video?
Good question! Most pros from DTL at 6 will have it angled a bit back (less than vertical). And definitely DO NOT try to go into ext rotation. That’s a terrible idea and something we haven’t seen a single pro measured to do. Checkout our Pros vs Ams video on shallowing for what does happen 😉
I struggle with hypermobility, and this move has changed my golf. But I also feel like it puts a lot of pressure on my lead rotator cuff, and have already subluxed it once. Essentially feels like I’m creating almost more potential energy in rotation than I can hold with that should in a weak position. Any thoughts/ideas?
@@olafforkbeard4782 does lowering your arm to your side hurt?
How to make this move without feeling like I’m chopping the ground behind the ball.. is that common sequence problem you guys have drills to change something else in my sequence to allow this lowering/reconnection to happen?
No we don’t see that with our students but I would need to see your swing to see what the issue is
Would you recommend keeping the upper arm attached for 3/4 shots such as pitch shots, I wouldn't have thought there was any value in disconnecting and reconnecting it for a 3/4 or less swing. In a full swing then it should leave and re-attache during transition/early downswing otherwise we'd lose a lot of power. (hence why we just can't leave it there for all shots). Also having the right elbow pit facing away will help this move.
it depends on how high you want it to go and the amount of spin you are after.... but assuming you're not a pro, I'mma advise you to do whatever you're most comfortable and confident with lol
“Connection” isn’t the best way to think about it. It’s too vague of a feel. The facts are the arm lifts in the takeaway between 5-15 degrees. That puts the club on plane vs having it work inside. Many ams lower it during that time by 5-15 degrees. Possibly from chasing “connection”
Good video, but it would help to show where on your torso you aim to connect your trail elbow. You could use a red sticker on your shirt to show it, such as the side of the top rib, or in front of the ribs. It's hard to tell. Also, do you feel like you are pointing the pointy part of the bottom of the elbow at the target? Any little tricks like that would help. Thank you for all the great videos.
get some kind of rod you can stick through your front belt loops so that it's parallel with the ground and pointed at your target.... now when you take a swing, your hands and club should never fall behind where that stick is on your back side... if you play around with that you'll start to feel where the reconnection point is (if you need help finding the feel that is)
Just lower it to the side of your ribcage. Or you can think of matching the underside vertical seam of your sleeve to the vertical seem on the side of your shirt.
When the right elbow (for a RH golfer) reconnects to the side of the body, should the right palm of your hand be facing up to the sky or down to the ball? I feel like I’ve seen (confusing and) various takes on the “delivery position” and it seems to me in this video, it’s closer to “palm up to sky” which I assume means more club face rotation to square it before impact.
Neither, keep your hand in the side.
Which body part should dominate this feel/movement: Arm? Hands? Elbow? Biceps? Shoulder? I’ve had my best results/performance feeling dropping my shoulder but sometimes I get stuck/hang back/drops too much which causes other issues
Make the correct movement, then tell us which part you need to feel to make it happen 👊😉
Byron Nelson used to advise to put your right elbow into your right front pant pocket... :
@@stevelang3109 what did he know? 👊😅
You can tell when someone is doing this right because the shaft comes back down below the trail shoulder from the behind view, anyway thanks guy's great stuff as always 🍻👍👌
Good point!
I know everyone's biology is different, but would you say on avg one could accomplish this move by squeezing the lat muscle at the top of the swing?
@@IAM-xf9ir does that produce the right movement for you?
My gosh, there are SO many "secrets" in golf. No wonder it's so hard! 😅
@@hammockmonk haha yes!
Do you associate the amateurs fault with trying to pull the hands down and not the elbow reconnection.
Yep that’s part of it
There are so many “ Secret Moves” on RUclips that I have given up😄
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