Are Carbon-Based Nutrients The Future?? - From The Stash Podcast Ep. 157
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- In this episode we talk with Nik from Rooted Leaf Agritech about plant nutrition and his line of carbon-based nutrients.
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I’ve never seen the boys so quiet, amazing guest and the future of agricultural fertilisation
I was excited, Rob and P were excited, Chris.. well it looked like someone kicked his cat towards the end... Mr Grumpit haha I did order 9 gallons, one of each.
When truly smart people talk...all people listen.
Nik has a whole series on Jordan Rivers podcast that is an insane abundance of information. Not to take anything away from this episode of course... Just to say that the deep dive you will want after consuming this, already exists. Cheers growmies!
Growcast is a great podcast
@@Wishbone420 It really is. Right up there with this one, Garden talk, and Shango Los for me. Not a pod, but obviously build a soil as well. So many podcasts just go in circles, or don't really have practical info.
Brandon rust is another amazing source of knowledge about carbon based fertilizer
Nik is a chemist. That is why he is so knowledgeable. You must understand everything before you know anything.
What is the episode called of niks ?@shinygravel
Glad to see nik spreading knowledge. I finally made the leap on the black friday sale. Been in living soil and 30 gal pots for years, excited to see how carbon increases.. well everything!
One of your best shows 100% in my Opinion thanks for everything growmies
Just ordered the starter kit for my first legal grow here in Ohio!! Appreciate all the help and info you guys share !!
thanks for the order! keep me posted and let me know if you have any questions along the way 😁
Yes to part 2! Please breakdown hydro with these nutes as well.
I'm very happy switching to rooted leaf!!! Plants are looking healthy and happy!
Great information! I love the idea of carbon based nutrients. I'm going to try some Rooted Leaf products for sure. We are fortunate to have minds like Nik, who is not just brilliant in his field but willing to share his knowledge. Thanks to him the Stash crew for all you do!
It does the job so darn well you will be amazed😮
Cannabis growers are going to save the world with this type of information ❤
Nick is the man. Spoon feeding rooted leaf and living soil for the win
This is practically Knf glad to hear it might be the future in growing, been using ferments for about 4 years now, and also glad he clear up the whole ph thing, haven’t ph in years also lol 🙌🏽
There is not many people trying to fully understand the fertilizer technology out there and are making new more available products. This guy and Brandon Rust have a very firm grasp on ammino chains and amendment break down as well as what is really being available for plant uptake. Brandon makes a great product called smart carbon +.
Hands down every show next ever been on is amazing he's a beast
I just ordered the full line.👍🏻
Excellent guest, and topics covered. Much good science being put to use on behalf of our plant. Wow!
Another great discussion all the way around. Learning a lot and passing along the info 🤙🌿
Last time he was on Mr. Grow its channel I was blown away, so much interesting info again, giving this a try with that awesome discount code! Great Episode!
I'm always bummed when I don't catch these live. Informative episode, thank you, FTS!
Part 2 plz.. Great Episode guys. I thought corbon in the soil worked that way now I know.😊
I’m sold, I’ll be getting this carbon fertilizer
Best informative episode in while. Thank you so much for the knowledge bomb being dropped from the guest. Heck yeah guys
As a new grower I appreciate the educational content - I look forward to trying carbon based products. I am surprised no other company has a similar product. Thanks for the valuable information, and it’s good to see you again.
There are at least two other companies offering "Carbon Based" nutes - Bokashi Earthworks and Organics Alive all of who say their product is the one to try! I have been using mostly dry amendments and following the recommendations from Build a Soil with pretty good results but am curious to try these Carbon Based products, just need to figure out which company offers the cleanest most sustainable products.
Nik is a true visionary
You all are awesome! Keep it coming boys!
Mr Grow it is how I found Nic. I wish Duke Diamond would come on any PC.
Great show! A super interesting topic. Kyle Kushman has been using another Carbon based bottle nute brand.
Yet Rooted Leaf's products seem more precisely geared, and adaptable to those already growing Organic, or with whatever type of feeding system they're using with their medium. Virtually, custom blends of products that can help your plants.
It's great to know I can contact them with my information, and get actually informational advice on what products would be most effective. That's incredible Customer Service!
Looking forward to trying a few products, and learning more.
Thanks again for an extremely interesting conversation!👍💯🙏✌️
I run both organic and synthetic. Organics I use builda soil craft blend and their soil 3.0. For synth I use house and garden line. My question is if I want to boost the carbon in either one what’s a good additive/admen’s you recommend? Thanks yall keep up the awesome work
I'm back. Intake all of Nics notes.. ✌️💚
Awesome show guys lots of good info 🙏🙏
Great information, thanks!
Great episode 😊
Running Earthshine Bio Char. My secret weapon in the garden 💯 🔥 cheers
I love Scottie's philosophy, I always have a plant ready to go straight into flower as soon as I chop a crop. Considering 2 small tents in the future so I am harvesting every 4 weeks.
Too much?
We need part 2!!!
Even though these guys are over 20 years behind in plant production, at least they are heading in the right direction
Nik from what i understand you are making fermented plant juices? You use multiple sources of sugars with the fpj.
fermented plant extracts! we use very specific portions of each plant we work with, but the total list of plants includes roots, barks, stems, leaves, flowers, and fruits, even specifically only the pistils of safflower plants, and so in this way it's not the same as an FPJ because it's much more broad and full-spectrum ... but having said that, we do use a lot of berries & fruits in the line too.
we use artichoke flowering heads because they are rich in fructooligosaccharides (FOS) and this is perhaps an example of us working with complex sugars that are not derived from fruits or berries, but rather the flowering heads themselves.
hope that helps!
Mind blown 💣
Basically Rooted Leaf products are a fortified FPJ. My plants like the Solar Rain product. Seems to increase turgor pressure (praying) ✌️
My homemade potting mix been 20% biochar for years
Wow! This is a completely different rabbit hole. Neat science. Just an observation based on my scientific background: all “organic” molecules are carbon based as that it what defines organic chemistry as its own subcategory of chemistry. So with that in mind aren’t all organic inputs carbon based? Like is this new approach as groundbreaking as carbon nanotubules creating electric current based on temperature differentials or is this simply organic inputs being marketed under the term “carbon based” which literally means “organic”? I’m not hating, I’m just asking if anyone can clarify for me that’d be interesting.
that's a great question! your scientific background will enable you well to understand that not all forms of carbon are the same, what we are doing is focusing on the rate-limiting substrates which typically bottleneck the biosynthesis of secondary metabolites. there are specific substrate pools which become depleted rather quickly as a result of both primary and secondary metabolic pathways. what we are trying to do is replenish those pools and grow them to become larger, so that we can upregulate enzymatic activity which typically revolves around their concentrations - this is dovetailing perfectly, from an ideological perspective, into classical MM kinetics, if you will. the results we see are in-line with the expectations of such an ideology... turns out plants are like machines, if you give them more fuel, they can make more horsepower.
most "organic" inputs lack the specific flavors of carbon we are working with - they contain more complex, more macroscopic forms of carbon, which do not plug directly into substrate pools nor can they be acted on by synthase enzymes that produce the compounds we want to see accumulate in glandular trichome heads. this is the key differentiating factor between our carbon-based fertilizers, and "organic" based fertilizers.
thanks for phrasing your question that way - I appreciate the gentle approach, often times I get a pitchfork instead of an inquisitive mind, and it's always nice when people are genuinely interested in next-level fertilizer technologies, and more specifically how they work. the mechanics of how our line works is something I'm very open to discussing in greater detail, so please email me if you have any questions! nik@rootedleaf.com is a good email for me.
thanks again, I hope this answer was useful 🙏
Thanks to both Nik and Wheelguns on wheels. Good question, great reply.@@nn1590
RLA is simply the best 💎
very eye opening!!
Would you PLEASE make a comprehensive video on the full set up for the controller 69 pro. You guys are the best.!!
1/4 of a gallon for those in the USA is 1 quart.
Yes. They are.
I've been using rooted leaf.. it's absolutely a game changer. No bullshit.
Wicked smart dude,, I will be watching this again,lol.. very cool. I will purchase and give it a try. Fixing to be out of my VENTANA
PLANT SCIENCE. Which has been bad ass also. Interested to run something different just because,,LOL..
I stopped drinking kombucha when I realized that it was making me crave alcohol a slight bit. I've been sober now 14 months. January 2 2023. I've been working on this for approximately 30 years and finally got it. Thank God for delivering me from alcohol & learning to use cannabis in moderation (responsibility). I listen to someone talk about carbon-based fertilizers 1 or 2 years ago ish. I wanted to buy some of it and could not find him again. Maybe this is the same guy, but I don't think so. I may have heard him on Mr. Grow it. I think it's a guy with a hairline. Light colored hair.
I have used NFTG for almost 20 yrs. Its carbon based line that is simple and functional to excess.
great video btw
Hmmm what about using licorice root in mushroom cultivation
licorice root would probably feed the mushrooms quite well! it would depend on the application methods, of course, because I think most mushrooms are grown in sterile environments in order to prevent any contamination, so it would be a matter of figuring out how to supply the licorice root to make it an effective choice... but otherwise, in general, it works great!
Oh I got mines on the way 42 percent off all mf day
What about feeding with carbonated water? Perrier your plants.
that's a great question, I get that a lot! the problem is that CO2 in carbonated water exists soluble but only under pressure. if you open up a can of soda on a hot summer day, you know what I'm talking about - the CO2 quickly rushes out and wants to leave. within a matter of minutes, exposure to ambient temperature & pressure will drive the CO2 out of the soda, and you're left with something flat which contains a tiny amount of carbonic acid, but most of the CO2 has been off-gassed.
CO2 is an oxidized form of carbon that is poorly soluble in water, and so the benefit of using different forms of carbon are that they are not oxidized, and exhibit much higher solubilities in water plus are much more stable and less susceptible to spontaneous oxidation & off-gassing.
hope that helps!
would it work in a high pressure or even a low pressure aeroponic system through the refined emitters ?
Im listening to
Luna, was killer chris🎉
Wanted to order some but I live in Spain and the shipping cost is about 2500$ and the order is around 600$
Would be nice if u guys could get some stock here in Europe and Spain cuz we really wanna try this innovation !
If this were true, why do low CO2 levels still affect the plant regardless of the carbon content of the soil or feed?
the short answer to your question is that the thylakoidal carbonic anhydrase mechanism participates in coupling the activities of the electron transport chain (production of ATP and NADPH) with the delivery of CO2 to the active site of Rubisco, by means of the reversible hydration of CO2 to HCO3-
the implication here is that the bicarbonate influx into the thylakoid, the activities of the oxygen-evolution complex, the subsequent accumulation of protons which drive the ATP synthase mechanism, and the CO2 supply to Rubisco are all tightly coordinated by thylakoidal carbonic anhydrase.
at low CO2 concentrations, the equilibrium created by thylakoidal carbonic anhydrase shifts strongly towards CO2 production which depletes bicarbonate pools, allowing for the carboxylation activities of Rubisco to continue despite low CO2 concentrations in the air.
I hope this helps, and that I answered your question!
I'm honestly not sure. @@nn1590 Are you saying that the plant can thrive in a chronically depleted CO2 environment solely by the nutrients you're delivering?
black friday? i just saw it today lol is it still live? the 40% because im super interested
I hope these nutes work better than the salts Ive been running in DWC
Carbon based nutrients are all the rage currently, watched 3 podcasts in the last month all different Nutrient Companies (Rooted Leaf) ( Bokashi Earthworks) (Organics Alive) all pushing their Carbon based nutes. So what are the main differences between these companies and how does on sort through the self marketing and hype and find out which company offers the cleanest most responsible product to incorporate into ones "living soil" grow???
that's a great question! I can't speak on behalf of Bokashi Earthworks or Organics Alive, but definitely for what we're doing here at Rooted Leaf. all of our products are made with food and pharmaceutical grade ingredients, so everything is as clean and pure as it can get. the plants we work with are certified organic, and intended for human consumption, so they're as safe as you can possibly get for any garden.
we do not use any animal byproducts in our line - it is a plant-based line, and we use specific portions of the plants. for example, we use ONLY the pistils of the safflower flowering head to make our Solar Rain, we do not use the stalks, stems, leaves, bark, or roots. It is literally only those fuzzy little red hairs. being selective like this allows us to keep contaminants and unwanted things away from our product line.
I should also mention that not all carbon-based fertilizers are the same, one of the things we do that I have not seen other brands do is actually deliver chemically reduced carbon. in other words, our fermentation & chelation chemistries are capable of creating carbon molecules that are rich in energy, and when plants take them up, it requires no energy expenditure to break those nutrients down... on the contrary, it actually releases energy in plants, which is why our products work so well on plants that are performing sub-optimally. often times, giving a weak plant a nice little boost of pure electrochemical energy is exactly what it needs to kick-start its internal motors and start firing on all cylinders.
I see a lot of "carbon-based" products out there which do not contain any reduction power in their molecular bonds, so when plants try to access that carbon, they must spend energy, which taxes them. this is fundamentally different because our products reverse that thermodynamic equilibrium - instead of drawing power away from plants, they actually reduction power to flow into plants, and this is quite rare. I have not seen other brands which do this.
phew, hope that helps, and sorry for the wall of text! if you have any other questions, feel free to reach out to us on IG! I'd love to chat more!
I wonder if it is like Flourish Excel, a bioavailable carbon source for my plants in my aquarium. They claim that you can use it as an alternative to CO2 injection or in addition to it
similar in terms of being able to deliver carbon to the plants, but not quite the same in terms of its ability to donate energy-rich carbon and drive both primary/secondary metabolic pathways to the extent that our products do. our line can deliver more than 4,000ppm of CO2 equivalent carbon which is quite an enormous concentration.
hope that helps, let me know if you've got any other questions, and thanks for watching this episode!
I'd like to see a sponsored grow via one of the known RUclipsrs.
I ordered some on Black Friday. Still waiting for it, but I’ll be trying it myself.
Rob
Is this product effective without any super soils just a stand alone soil like coco coir or another?😮😮🎉
the product line works great in everything from inert media like rockwool, all the way to fully amended living soils! it's just a function of how much to use, and which products to use, based on the amendments introduced into the living soil. hope that helps!
I like to use the product Carbon Max . From Ridgeline Organics in West Kentucky. I get mine from Midwest Grow co.
I’ve already saved all the ash and carbon from cashed bowls into a jar. Then mixed it into the soil while reamending for the next run. (Along with adding the dried out root balls.) I haven’t seen any negative results so far. Actually seems to me to be better than the previous runs. (Very non scientific. I know)
Leave the roots in!
@@654rickybobbythat’s exactly what I’m doing now. I Just started to. But thank you for the comment bud🤝👍🏻
I’m even running wheatgrass, cilantro, and white Dutch clover. and now I’m starting up an autoflower in the pots about 4 weeks before I chop down the photoperiod.
I’m considering adding in a few carrots, possibly a lettuce type, and maybe even someday some beats (for red beat eggs)
What are peoples thoughts about using spent carbon from filters in soil when you re-amend?
Would it work like bio-char?
Love this guest I would love to know if honey.is better then molasses
Theres this guy Cyclone cannabis company out of maine. They have the katest technical technology in the carbon nutrient space. Many other ppl have listed some company names below to follow.
Gonna try Cultured Biologix my next grow.. hard about them on Mr grow it podcast
The carbons in my buddies nutrients for his coral are made to synergy with the nutrients.
Can we get an episode / expert talk on bottom feeding
16:51 How many people stopped to look at the screen and see if it was their phone that just vibrated? 😅 (good microphone/audio)
yall dont know about the Bucha
Kombucha😅? Can you elaborate?
I wonder if blueberry or strawberry come about as if a bunch of berries fell close enough to change the smell of other things around it like a companion or just fed it the berry juice worth a try watering a clone with real watermelon or something
Plants do not take carbon from the soil. The carbon for carbon fixation during photosynthesis comes from carbon dioxide in the air. During photosynthesis plants take carbon dioxide from the air into leaves through openings in the leaves called stomata. Bark and roots also have openings to take up air and co2, sugar molecules would be eaten by soil microbiology and converted to co2, sugar is only fed to flowers that have been cut because then the vascular system is open and there sugar can be taken up by the cambrium layer
Now they do.
You're correct for the most part. People forget the Manure, or compost they use "is rich in carbon"; With a good helping a biochar, amps up your bio life and Microbiology in your soil which, guess what, amps up your carbo production. Class dismissed. Much love to all the Ganja farmers.
@@bustalungtoo I'm in agriculture university studying this, you need to read up on your info. Carbon in sugar molecules cannot be taken up by the roots do to how ionic exchange works, biochemistry
you bring up some great points! thanks for your comment. I'd like to expand on a few things:
plants can, and do, take carbon up from soils, and it is a bi-directional flow, with carbon-containing metabolites being excreted from the roots (root exudates) - in the form of organic acids, for instance, which induce chemical weathering and can create soluble forms of minerals, and then in the reverse direction, with carbon-containing molecules either coming from beneficial microbes & fungi (things like anti-oxidants, anti-viral proteins, and other disease-resistance factors) or from the exudates themselves participating in chelation reactions that create bioavailable forms of nutrition. for example, organic acid chelates can be absorbed by plants, and these are carbon-containing compounds.
in the context of carbon-containing molecules which are not organic acids, it is true that root exudates can be rich in glycosides - look at licorice roots, yucca, beetroot, etc., as good examples of this. glycosylation is a common tactic in plants to allow for the transportation of water-insoluble compounds outside of the plant and into the surrounding soil. those same glycosides can also be absorbed by plants, but we'd have to look in greater detail at the specific glycosides in order to determine what the specific metabolic fate might be.
the mass flow of water into soils results in movement of solubilized carbon which exceeds the capacity for microbes to oxidize those sugars, meaning if any feedwater touches the roots, it will be taken up by the plants regardless of biologically-driven oxidation reactions which convert reduced carbon back into oxidized carbon. it's not like microbes are gate-keepers of every single droplet of water that enters a plant... the influx of water is a phenomenon driven by processes which operate much more rapidly than the enzymatic activities of microbes, because the digestion of sugars by microbes is not a diffusion-limited process, it is not physically possible for microbes to deplete feedwater of sugars prior to that feedwater being absorbed by plants.
chitosan is a good example of what is, technically, a complex sugar, and whose applications into soils (and foliar sprays as well) can act as a powerful biostimulant. how is it possible for a plant to react to soluble fractions of these complex sugars if they are not absorbed by the plants? plants, ultimately, are like giant filters, and while it is generally true for plants to naturally produce more carbon-containing compounds through photosynthesis than to absorb from the soil, there is no exclusion of carbon-containing substances that is actively happening in the roots.
I hope that helps! please let me know if you have any other questions, and thanks for watching this episode!
Can a person use store bought kambucha as a tes by itself?😊
What is the code stach15?
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Great show I learned a shit ton💦🔥
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Just new names for old things
I just watched idiocracy for the first time yesterday. 😂😂
just.. come over real quick. :)
Why does pigeons look like an anorexic Tom Selleck lol . The real stash for the podcast. Great guest. Amazing knowledge. This really helped me pick the correct nutrients
Lets be frank plants liove dead bodies!!!lets talk fish emulsion kiddoes
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MAKES NO SENSE
I need to know, maybe its just me and iev never been in to bottles but this brand intrigues me! I was looking at the line why do they sell it in standard or "American" unit of measurement but the feed charts are in metric?
could I ask what doesn't make any sense? I'd be happy to try to clarify things for you.
regarding the units of measurement, mL per gallon is the industry standard but we can convert to mL per liter, or perhaps fluid ounces per gallon, or we could even give you an injection ratio if that's what you prefer... just let me know what you need and I'd be happy to provide you the correct information.
thanks for watching!
I use both measurement systems regularly its not a problem 4 me. What I was getting at is that for some ppl who's strong suit is not math it may be confusing and not just in nutrients. EX: my wife 80% of the time she will fuck up a recipe that has metric measurements.
Potassium silica lol
I hate this buzzword bullshit. I get he does go into more depth but all I hear is "carbon carbon carbon". Dude. Everything has carbon in it. Almost everything that is. any living thing has carbon, it has to. Every single living thing is formed of carbon.
thanks for watching the episode, hopefully you got some good information from it regarding the chemistry of carbon. plants are entirely and indescribably obsessed with carbon capture, storage, and transformation, and ultimately that point may have been conveyed in the podcast 🙂 but to provide further clarity surrounding your statement that "almost everything" has carbon in it, I would like to expand on this because it's a little inaccurate, for example a majority of the earth's crust contains zero carbon, it's all silicate crust. not only is carbon lacking from pretty much the entire crust of the earth, it's also quite tiny in the air - making up only 420-ish parts per million. oxygen, on the flipside, is over 210,000 ppm's, and nitrogen is closer to 790,000 ppm's.
you're right that all life is carbon-based, and this carbon can actually be traced back to the photosynthetic activities of plants. you, me, and everybody else living on this planet, plus everything living in soils, from beneficial fungi to micro-organisms, requires carbon that initially passed through the Rubisco of a C3, C4, or CAM plant.
soil is a byproduct of photosynthesis - plants create soil if you give them millions of years to chemically weather the silicate crust of the earth. they use the power of the sun to generate reduced carbon species (specifically in the form of organic acids) which become root exudates that participate in the chemical weathering of silicate rocks, releasing the valuable components (cations like calcium, magnesium, potassium, all of the micronutrients, etc.) and tying up the dangerous components (aluminum is a good example). the flow of electron energy comes into the leaves and eventually that energy dissipates outward into the surrounding environment in a totally different form, it can be used to change the oxidation states of elements that plants either want or do not want.
it's not so much about the presence of carbon as it is about the state of the carbon. if your carbon is fully oxidized, in the form of CO2, it's not going to do anything that I just mentioned. CO2 will never, ever feed a beneficial microbe or a beneficial fungi that occupies the rhizosphere of a plant. that CO2 requires reduction power to convert into a useful form for plants to make soil, and then for soil micro-organisms to participate in carbon cycles that continue to capture & store energy generated through photosynthesis.
in nature, pools of reduced carbon are like extremely rare. carbon which is rich in electrons is absorbed by literally every living organism and used in primary metabolic cycles, so of course the competition is high, and it doesn't help that reduced carbon tends to oxidize in the presence of oxygen (hence plants produce anti-oxidants). if you look at the mechanics of plant metabolism, you'll find their activities revolve around stockpiling as much reduced carbon as they possibly can.
anyways, I hate to rant, I hope this message was helpful. please feel free to reach out to me on IG if you want to chat further about ... you guessed it, carbon! 😅
I have a hard time not believing this is not just snake oil, I have taken lots of college level classes from chem to botany, soils science and ecology even human phys anatomy. Not to mention I have grown my own garden and worked in large dispo grows and extraction labs for almost a decade. Plants get their carbon from the air and they grow just fine organically and wild ecosystems are the most productive places on the planet and they don't use carbon based nutes. So please explain to me how this is not snake oil?
If your so intelligent with all your claimed experience and knowledge you would be able to put up your own scientifically based information as to why what he says is not possible .
@@Gcanno not snake oil on the claim that it might not work but snake oil on the claim of it being the future. Climate change is a serious issue and it should be combated with growing not accelerated. I say snake oil because he did not provide evidence on how it is climate friendly. Rather just claimed it works with organics. Well buddy ammonium nitrate also can work in an organic grow(though it cant qualify as usda organic) that does not make it climate friendly.
There is nearly only carbon based fertilizer in nature… All these classes didnt seem to have worked… Every piece of plantlitter is carbon added to the Cycle/Soil.
@@dodril17 I agree its all carbon based in nature, so why do we need to bottle it up if its already there?
@@dodril17 the classes worked fine you can see my grow videos from years back all organic and localy sourced. Why you and the other guy gotta be condesensing about my science backround, it is just silly. Im asking the content creators the question, you guys just got all puffy chested for no reason.
All nutrients are carbon based. Literally every material known to man is carbon based.
carbon, as an element, is lacking in many conventional fertilizers. all nitrates, phosphates, sulfates, thiosulfates, chlorides, most forms of ammonium, and so on, do not have any carbon. the longer list would include all of the mineral forms of each, such as calcium nitrate, magnesium nitrate, potassium nitrate, and so on.
there are many materials known to man which do not contain carbon. the crust of the earth is a good example - feldspars, quartz, mica, etc., make up a bulk of the crust of the earth, and happen to lack carbon. feldspars alone account for approximately 60% of the crust of the earth - and they do not contain carbon.
it's a scam and i can't believe y'all are falling for it...!
Anyone that has run these nutes, how do the results compare to Nectar for the Gods or Build-a-Soil?