Best Method To Secure Anything To Brick
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As a DIYer hanging things on brick or cinder block can become a frustrating project if you don't have the right tools or experience. I will walk you through a simple example of attaching a hook to a brick wall and provide you some options for tools, anchors, attachment points, and common mistakes to avoid.
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0:00 Intro
0:25 What Type Of Drill Is Needed For Drilling Brick Walls
2:46 What Type Of Drill Bits Are Needed For Drilling Brick Walls
4:25 Should You Drill Into Mortar Or Brick
5:26 Drilling Holes In Brick Walls
7:11 What Type Of Screws Or Anchors To Use From Brick Walls
8:54 Installing Wall Plugs and Screws Into Brick Walls
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I just did a project adding pony walls to enclose my back porch. I used tapcons to attach framing to brick and it worked great. I did follow the recommended bit size, and I'm glad you pointed that out.
Tapcons are like magic. Love 'em. Proper drill bit and size is crucial.
Excellent lesson. Clear and concise instruction to guide you all the way. Glad I watched. Thanks.
Big difference. Needed these information few years back. Well done
Interesting. It’s been years since I had occasion to do this. Back then I found the bricks from different manufacturers varied wildly in hardness and time to drill. I also used lead-zinc lag shields as the plug component.
Great video!! With electric work, im usually using tapcons to mount emt or pvc or light fixtures. They basically work great for me. Ive always stripped out the mortar, one tip i sometimes use is to start the tapcons with my impact and then finish tightening by hand with my 10-in1.
I put a drywall anchor in around the TapCon.
Pulls them up nicely.
I wasted so much time and effort trying to use my standard drill. $90 bucks at harbor freight for the rotary hammer drill and it was an absolute game changer. Definitely recommend to anyone drilling into block or into your concrete slabs!
For the few times I have drilled into the wall to mount a camera or motion light I've always chosen to drill into the mortar and not the brick. I figure if the brick face gets chipped or cracked it would be a mess whereas if the mortar fell out or got ruined or I made a mistake drilling I could repair the mortar. Thanks for making another informative video.
Agreed
And in your case (lightweight camera), you were right to do so. But if you were aiming for something heavier, that gets lots of forces applied to it every day (pulling away from the wall, and also weigh a lot), like a 100ft hose with a reel, I would go into the brick, because it's stronger.
@@shane250 thanks for the response
@@shane250 if the mortar is fragile and you're using plugs, you can make so the plugs expand in the direction of the bricks, essentially sandwiching it between the two solid bricks.
My hose reel is still holding fine after 4 years, and I remove it before every winter. I drilled into the mortar except one screw (as it was impossible to line up all four screwholes on the reel with the mortar) and used plugs, although the mortar was still in good shape so there was no need to set the plugs in a certain direction.
What a great alternative to tapcon. I’ve found that brick varies quite a bit. Just use the right size and style of bit and the right drill then the job will go smoothly.
Looking forward to the next video on concrete anchors!
I like the way you simplify DIY. Thanks
I have used both Tapcon screws and inserts with screws and I like them equally. I have never drilled into the brick as I am always afraid that I will crack it and then have a mess to deal with. I usually just use my DeWalt standard battery drill for the holes and I have a HF Hammer drill that I use when drilling into concrete. Great video, as usual!!
That's a really great demo, Scott. Thank you!
2 things I would add, one from experience and one from inexperience: Along with instructing not to over-tighten and thereby strip the hole, I should mention how the hole needs to be deeper than the screw (bc I've seen people neglect this and have a really tough time getting the screw all the way in) and along that vein, it's really much smarter to drive the Tapcon screws with a quarter inch magnetic nut driver, and NOT the flat head screw driver slot! 😱 Ugh. It really is basic DIY, but if you're just getting started with power tools, using and knowing to use something as straight forward as a nut driver is not already a given and that silly slot on the end of a Tapcon could have a newbie risking a slip that could put a screw driver through a finger! 😵🤕 I had a window treatment designer trying to do just this method with both problems before I explained to her what she could do better.
Second thought: I used a Milwaukee M12 Hammer Drill combo to install window treatments in concrete and brick for nearly 2 years around the Chicago area (anything downtown is SO likely to be concrete...🙄 I guess they're afraid of fire for some reason 😂). Mainly bc it was the smallest and lightest hammer drill the guy who trained me could find (in our kind of work, weight matters a good deal) and I just followed along. Just recently, I went solo and had decided (like you said) an SDS+ bit with a Hammer Drill like you used would be worth the additional weight, and expense. But, I admit to making a very rookie mistake of my own on my first use of my awesome new Dewalt SDS+ Hammer Drill: Since on drill Combo unit you rotate the selector chuck from drill to hammer to get the impact you need for "hammer drilling" and the icon is a hammer 🔨, I was a little unclear what to use on the new model that had 2 icons, a hammer 🔨, and a drill... I've still only used it a couple times and was and am REALLY pleased with how well it worked...But, I think I need to go back and read the manual a little more carefully, as I'm pretty sure I've just dulled my expensive new bit by using the hammer setting and making holes by literally HAMMERING a bit straight into concrete instead of hammer-DRILLING (WITH rotation)! 🤦🏻😭😄
Am I right? The Hammer 🔨 icon on the Combo drill is correct for THAT device, but on an SDS+ drill the same icon means No Rotation, specifically for bits that chisel! 👷🏻
It's okay...I'm a professional. 😅
My wife got me a tee-shirt that says on it, "This is not a drill."
Underneath it is a picture of a screwdriver.
Another great video Scott. Great tips and I agree that the SDS Plus is the way to go for pros or homeowners with many holes to drill.
I've always seen anchors in the mortar and wondered why. This was a good explanation overall. Thanks
Great to learn about the bit specification. Have seen those but I only dabble so that's useful info moving forward.
Great, thanks for the feedback!
Wow that was such a helpful video thank you! Drilling in brick, concrete and mortar can be tricky.
As a retired mason, I loved plumbers and electricians drilling into bricks. The brick would crack and I would get paid to replace them!😀 Hilti invented tapcons back in the 80s. Before they came around we used Rawl caulkins made of lead and zinc.
What do you prefer to use these days?
We live in a historic neighborhood with lots of old brick (which I understand is softer) and the explicit requirement for any exterior fastened thing is to drill and fasten to the mortar, because 1) AIUI repointing would be a ton cheaper than replacing a cracked brick, and 2) breaching the outer surface of the brick is just asking for weather to do a number to the whole wall.
@@davidkaoSo you use tapcons in the mortar?
What are you hanging on that beautiful wall?
@@davidkaoI totally agree. Never liked and avoid drilling into brick. Mortar all day to hang some things.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
This is very helpful. I have been wondering about best practices for brick and block stone houses, for years. I have been using Tapcons, drilling into mortar, just as explained, and I have also stripped holes out while tightening Tapcons. Thank you very much for this little-discussed topic.
I used blue Tapcon 1/4" screws to mount 2x2s to a brick wall that was originally an outside wall in a room that is an add-on. That was done to put up wood grain panels for a home office to make it more presentable for computer repair customers. I used 2x2s so as not to lose too much space. I only drilled into bricks, not mortar. I bought a corded electric hammer drill which can also do normal drilling. This was back in 1997 and, while drilling the holes in brick took a while, I didn't have any problems with holes stripping and such, but I did go through a lot of bits. I drilled the higher holes on a 6' ladder without issue, though it was more work leaning forward, but that did help with pressure. I pre-drilled the 2x2s with holes for the screws to go through and drilled a wider depth on the paneling side for the screw heads to seat on so the outside was flat. I also ran Romex from an added breaker in the breaker panel, through the attic and down into the room for light switches, 4-foot fluorescent lights and lots of outlets. Of course, that was before the paneling went up, but I knew where the Romex was. I didn't know about 2x4 Romex/Wiring Guards back then or I would have used them. That one room has its own breaker now.
AMAZING VID . Very easy to follow
One point I'd like to make: at about 5:57, you advise unscrewing the chuck, a quarter turn or so, to "lock" the bit in place. This was discredited a few months ago on AvE's channel here: ruclips.net/video/8ztB1C7dERc/видео.html
What you're actually doing is _disengaging_ the ratchet which keeps the chuck locked in place, leaving only the screw tension to hold the bit.
This. Can’t believe I had to scroll so far to find someone saying it!
Great Video. Thank you for sharing
Good job. Wall plugs are great. I've even used large zip ties and redheads. Especially for mounting things. Nailing 2x material Gripcons 3/16" are a go too for Door bucks etc... what until you drill into Porcelain wall tile. PITA! They make a 5/32" SDS that does a good job for pilot holes in hard material. I'm a retired carpenter. I miss the challenge...lol? The new screw designs are awesome. You have a practical channel 👍
Many times I have drilled the hole in concrete and hammer wooden dowels into the hole, then used the fastener. It works great for some applications.
Good review. I have used tapcon and have never had a problem, and they are great where strength is required. However, with brick walls (where the object being installed will not result in strong pull out force, just shear force) I use wall anchors. That way I can have one masonry bit with the appropriate anchors in my kit, and use whatever screw is supplied or available. Also I don't use a hammer drill on brick, that way I don't crack anything and because the hammer drill is not part of my standard kit in my truck. I only use a hammer drill a few time a year.
This was very informative and helpful! Thank you for the details!
Happy to help 👍
If only this video was around when we did our own screened-in porch extension. I remember countless trips to the big box store and bits and hammer rotary drill, rentals, RUclips videos, etc. We used Tapcon for securing the ledger board to brick. I recalled the package came with a temporary use masonry bit. Didn't have the time or experience to mess around so Tapcon it was.
you can also plug the holes you made with wood dowels and then you can use any screw of your liking
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Thanks for another very helpful and straightforward video.
You bet 🙌
I love my SDS Rotary Hammer Drill. It's awesome.
Another good video. I can recall the first time I used a rotary hammer - I was shocked at how easily the bits went into concrete. However, for smaller holes, or when drilling into the sandstone sheathing of my house, I just use hammer drill, even though I have a cordless rotary hammer.
I do like to put anchors into the mortar if I can, because it's easier to repair if I want to remove the anchor. If the bricks are soft, mortar can actually be better - in one house we had a patio and steps with very soft bricks, which sometimes cracked even when drilling into the middle of them - but for well-fired bricks, I agree they are preferable. Also, in bricks or stone, I prefer using Rawl plugs to Tapcon, because I'd cracked them with Tapcon, and I feel you get more control with an insert and a screw. Just be sure to blow all the dust out of the hole before inserting. I have had some bad luck with no-name wall anchors, though most of them are fine, so now I just stick with name-brands like Rawl and Fischer. (Sort of like Wago vs random Chinese stuff, although not as risky).
I was really afraid I’d screw this up even after watching several other videos of how to do this correctly - you gave me the confidence to drill into my brick house and porch columns to put up a screen porch! Thank you. ❤
This video was posted at 6p ET and a few hours before your comment, so you saw this and then immediately put up a screen porch at the end of the day? Ok 🙄
That's not what she said. Just "it gave me confidence to". Testament to another great video helping DIYers succeed. 😊
@@mattrightmire8054 Fair enough, but the implication from that statement, I believe, would typically lead most people to conclude she not only gained the confidence but gained it and then went out and did it. I don't know, just odd to me. Maybe I'm the only one, haha
I really hope you're married and if so, your husband is a lucky man. If not, "eligible men line up single file!!! I'm married but jeez lueeze you are quite the catch😘
@@iam_flynn1611 thank you and yes married .. I appreciate the compliment!
Super nice and tidy!
Perfect summary!
@LRN2DIY proved that turning the chuck back a click to lock is a myth. just tighten it and leave it
I have used tapcons for years with great success. Finish tightening the tapcons by hand to prevent stripping. If you are careful you can even remove and replace them in the same hole successfully. In my opinion always use the mortar joint as you can repair it if you elect to remove whatever you have attached.
i like the plastic plugs for anything hanging verticle. tapcons for anything attached to a floor. theres also "red heads". those have great holding strength. kinda pricey but very effective. its a basically a bolt with a threaded reciever that you insert in hole then tap with a punch then thread your bolt in.
Yeah, I will be diving into larger anchors soon. Tapcons, Simpson Titen HD, Read Heads, and possibly Hilti.
Great information.
THANKS!!!!
Great video. I do not like or use tapcons. I have used regular plastic anchors for many years. You won't pull them out. I have not tried those screws you are using but it looks like a great choice. Always enjoy your videos!!
Hey Brother excelente video Thank You
You bet, thanks for watching 👍
THANKS FOR SHARING THIS INFO SCOTT, …we are the exception to the rule,our brick is over 100yrs old and very hard 😅💚💚💚
I usually drill through the entire wall and install a very large carriage bolt. Inside the house it doubles as a picture hanger
Genius!
I have had good results with Tapcon, anchoring into very old, soft brick. For me, a huge benefit is the hex head option because I always seem to strip out screw heads. I can a ratchet with those. But I realized that over torquing with those - especially in soft brick - would be problematic.
This is an excellent video. Side note; The foundation of my house is some sort of concrete that has small rocks/pebbles in it. The pebbles tend to be much harder than the concrete so if drilling a hole and hitting one of them its almost better to start another hole elsewhere if possible.
My basement walls have concrete columns every so many feet with rebar in them. Took the guys installing the radon system a while to get through it.
Thanks
Great video
I haven’t had the opportunity to do this with brick, but I have had a couple of experiences using Tapcons with concrete block, and did not have any trouble. As far as over torking, I just had a feeling that I should avoid it snd didn’t. I work at a hardware store that sells fasteners in bulk through Hillman. The TapCons come with the correct masonry bit in the box, and when we empty the boxes into the bulk bins we let the bit go into the bins with the tapcons so any purchaser can take it along with them if they need it. Maybe other stores do this as well.
Here's my two cents. I've got a little experience installing into all sorts of masonry and concrete from when I used to work in a factory installing large, specialized refrigeration equipment for bars and restaurants.
6:06 -- 1) Some masonry drill bits require a steady stream of water to cool the bit and flush out the swarf. You can do this most easily by taking a common, disposable plastic water bottle, filling it, then puncturing a tiny hole a half inch above the bottle's base. Now your partner can squeeze a stream of clean water onto the bit and hole while you work the drill. 2) Sometimes masonry drill bits require you to start the drilling at a 45 degree angle to the work, then quickly rotate perpendicular to the work and continue drilling normally. This is typically done with smaller, more fragile masonry bits.
9:39 -- 1) Regarding anchoring into concrete, that is a whole 'nother world... a world dominated by Redhead brand concrete anchors. Always, always, ALWAYS drill holes deeper than you need to so you can hammer the Redheads flush with the concrete to hide them should you not need the anchors anymore. Otherwise you'll have to grind all the anchor studs flush... a huge pain. 2) The other major way to anchor into concrete is with Ramsets or similar powder actuated devices. Very efficient way to pin the bottom plate of a house wall to a concrete foundation, for example. 3) God help you if you hit rebar, as it could seriously injure you at worst or severely complicate your project at best.
A video I'd like to see is installing into stucco house siding. Seems terrifying but likely isn't too hard. Something like attaching a fence to stucco.
Thanks. We got a lot of value for our two cents. Is there a way to figure out where the rebar is, like figuring out where a stud is in a wall?
@@roberttrimmier3276- There is probably a way to determine where the rebar is but that is beyond me. An experienced construction manager might know.
If you're pouring cement and laying rebar for your own project, you might have enough control over the project to mark where the rebar is being laid for future reference. I imagine you would immediately mark the X- and Y-axises of the rebar, let the cement set, then transfer your marks to the concrete somehow. Then you could hypothetically plan around those temporary marks where to sink your Redhead or similar concrete fasteners such that they avoid the rebar.
Like always good to know thanks for the info
My sds drill is one of the best investments I ever made. I was trying to drill a 5/8 hole 5 inches deep with a normal hammer drill. An hour later I barely hit depth. Bought my SDS and did a 9/16 hole 5 inches deep in about a minute. There's no going back. As far as Tapcons they are always hit or miss. Sometimes they bite and sometimes they don't. When they slip I put a broken zip tie in the hole and then try again. They usually catch. I like your hollow wall anchor method better. I think I might go that route in the future. Thx
Love Tapcons (and similar masonry screws). They are finicky though. Need to drill deeper than the screw, and they are sensitive to drill size. I've found some 5/16 are too tight, some too loose, once you get a good one they go in great and have stupid holding force in concrete.
I'm with you, I hate tapcons and prefer the plastic anchors.
Great video！When drilling exterior walls, I wonder if we need to waterproof the hole area by caulking it, or some sort? Thanks!
Brick is much more difficult to replace, sometimes impossible to find a match; while mortar is within the scope of an average homeowner.
Excellent video and very informative Thank you.
What are your thoughts on the new modern 2 part epoxies glues? To hold that hook? Would it even be convenient to use a strong glue for this video example?Thanks
How about a video on drilling stucco over cinder block? Good stuff. Thanks.
I like the tip about using a punch to prepare the hole for drilling, it should help prevent drill tip wander!
I've not come across "tap con" in the UK. Rawlplugs have been around for at least 40 years, maybe longer. I always install into the mortar. Looking at the side of my neighbours house, they had ( old tech) broadband installed a decade or so ago...the installer made a real pig's ear of it, drilling through the brick with God knows what drill bit , resulting in the brick spalling off in big chunks at the cable entry points.
Rawlplug is a trade name , are they simply "Wall plug" in the US?
Good video 👍
Thanks 👍
The main issue I’ve had with drilling brick is not using a sharp bit. Depending on the type of concrete or rock, they can wear pretty quickly. There is a reason they are sold in packages of 5 or 10 of the same size.
For anchoring where there will be repeated stress like a handrail, I fave the expansion bolts, which are a bolt with a tapered nut and a sleeve which gets pressed into the masonry. I also prefer several small anchors to distribute the load rather than a single large anchor.
Scott, love your videos. As a resident retired guy in a small hardware store, I send customers to your channel for all types of DIY jobs.
Tapcons are our choice #1 for brick and concrete walls...
For stucco, the plastic anchors are okay.
Rotating the drill chuck the other direction is a myth, you should hear the sound twice when locking and that's just that, moving backwards unlocks one level of the lock mechanism. I can search for the videos or patents that prove it :D
Such a great demonstration of drilling into bricks. Can you do one for stucco? I want to attach a hose reel to the side of my house and I don't want to make a mistake
Great video. I'm looking at securing camera mounts on hardyplank siding. Any recommendations?
Interesting
I buy the tapcon set that comes with a drill bit.
You can also get a 1/8” masonry drill bit and use a exterior drywall screw wand save money on the high dollar screws
For us DIYers, there is another option - 1/4" impact driver with masonry impact bits. These work substantially better than a regular cordless drill with hammer function, in fact, they're nearly as good as an SDS for small holes for tapcons or small anchors like this. If you do any mechanical work or run a lot of deck screws, you probably already have an impact, and just need the bit. Try it out, it works great. I'll never use a regular drill driver with the hammer function again.
Never had a problem with Tapcons. Just follow directions and they work great. My main complaint is that the blue head is ugly.
I would add one additional step when doing exterior projects. Fill the hole with silicone caulk before sinking the screw.
Thanks for a helpful video. So the length of he screw you used was twice the length of the wall plug? Is that a ratio that can be applied most situations using wall plugs? Thanks
the biggest thing to consider with any type of fastener is load. the direction and weight of the load is what determines what kind of fastener you use. i skipped through a lot of this video so i don't know if you mentioned that or not. from the previous comments you didn't. you may wanna make a part two to address that.
If you use Tapcon screws ALWAYS look on the back of the package. It will tell you the appropriate size drill bit to be used.
Tapcon also color-codes the screws and drill bits, red goes with red and green with green. If you buy the larger packages an appropriate bit is included. Also, the back of the screw package tells you what size nut-driver is required if it is hex head.
Tapcons are my least favorite if you have one chance to get it right, however, if you may want to remove it later, tapcons are useful. I think the hammer in anchors (whether a nail drive/mushroom head/wedge) are less prone to bad outcomes. A shot of epoxy, construction adhesive or even a little caulk will increase the holding power - if you are worried.
I mounted a tv to a brick masonry surface above a fireplace. I jacked up everything with the tapcon install. Behind the TV there's lots of bad attempts in the mortar that are a problem for future me or the new owner. I used the wrong bit once, had everything installed and realized how loose everything was. Then I did it correctly and I over torqued several of the tapcons....goes from guddentight to free spinny spinny...
I learned something today.
Nice 🙌
With Tapcons it is very important to clean out the hole after you drill using a shop vac. Not doing this can keep it from going in all the way or worse, snap the head off leaving the shank in the hole.
Agreed, thanks for the feedback!
I just want to hang my house numbers. I glued them to a piece of flooring tile (12x24) and now need to attach the tile to the house. In the past I've had brick which was nice and regular like yours. For normal bricks with normal mortar they make spring loaded hangers which grab the bricks inside the mortar joint. They worked perfectly. On this new house, my bricks, for all intents and purposes, are tapered and have no surface for the springs to grab on. I don't want to drill into the house, but I might need to.
What size drill bit did you use for the #14 wall plug with #14 screws? TIA
How would you hang window shutters on brick?
Scott, for the #14 wall plug, what size of the drill bit did you use in this example?
I put up a flag pole and put tap con screws in mortar. The pole did not stay up long. Then I put the tap con screws in the brick and it has stayed in place.
Always drill into the brick, not the mortar. Always start with a small pilot hole first, and then it's easy with a hammer drill, plus you'll have a cleaner hole. A rotary hammer is totally unnecessary.
Wall plugs are totally fine, and I agree better than tapcons in many ways, although it sometimes requires a larger hole, and also you should use better ones like Alligators by Toggler.
Also if using wall plugs, your screws should be fully threaded (at least the part that goes in the plug). And for that hook, pan head screws are most appropriate, not flat head which looks sloppy. He failed on both counts.
Stainless steel sheet metal screws would have been much more appropriate in this case.
I have mobile unit in Florida. If you don`t want to make a gigundice hole in those paper thin holes as a toggle bolt would. Do you have any suggestions Scott? Some things don`t work like those plastic anchors.
there is no "locking in" on drill chucks by loosening them up a bit. LRN2DIY showed this is an old wives tale
One note drilling into concrete, you can get SDS+ bus that are rated to go through rebar too. Never getting through that with a hammer drill, just find a new spot for your hole.
So is it best to do both for 2 hole situations?
I use green wall plugs for a 6mm hole. Have done for over forty years with no problems. Never into mortar!
I usually advise people to avoid the mortar of concrete brick walls, and drill into the brick. Clay bricks should not be drilled.
Tapcons are very effective and removable. If the correct bit is used, problems can be overcome by using a length of nylon from a small zip tie or weed whacker line.
In all cases, the hole must be blown out.
Would you do a video on drilling into stucco? For some reason, I'm deathly afraid of doing that. Minor jobs have been left undone around the home because of that.
If you strip out a tapcon, put a piece of stranded electrical wire, like on a lamp, into the hole and it’ll hold that tapcon tight.
I never drill into brick or block if I can avoid it. You can’t easily patch the brick of CMU if you need to remove the fastener, whereas repointing a joint is pretty easy. If the mortar won’t hold a fastener, it is very poor mortar.
Over torque depends heavily on material, in cmu block it's really easy to over tighten, in good solid concrete it's much easier to avoid.
I do alot of work in areas where there is corrosion (salt air, high humidity) and I almost never use tapcons as they will eventually rust. I find a much better and lasting solution is to use the plastic sleeves and stainless steel screws. Typically i would drill a 1/4" hole, use a blue sleeve and #10 stainless sheet metal screw. The worst place ever to use tapcons is for aluminum thresholds into concrete. Almost guaranteed to snap off after they rust in place.
I have a rotary hammer drill and used red wall anchors and it pulled out of the hole
5:58 noooooo don't do this. It doesn't lock the chuck, it actually unlocks the keyless mechanism and will loosen. Learn2diy made a video about this calling all the manufacturers and this is NOT a feature
Being an electrician for 42 years, I don't recommend those plastic wall anchors for installation of the meter cans and outdoor electrical equipment. Tapcons or lead anchors