Road to 500 Days - Part 51: Scurvy
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- Опубликовано: 10 апр 2024
- With scurvy risk on our hands, the journey to the Far Territory is delayed. Instead, we need to fish to get enough vitamin C material in order to survive and be stable for the journey. Might as well fill up some Jerry Cans first.
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"Hello, there. I will help cure your scurvy... but not your insanity." Zak doing a little fish puppet theater was way too funny to not be mentioned. :D
A little historical side story of scurvy: As a consequence of lacking fresh supplies of tropical fruits like oranges and lemons, german seafarers mainly used Sauerkraut (pickled cabbage) to prevent the crew from getting scurvy. That's where the ethnic slur "Krauts" for germans has its origin.
...and the lime juice in the water gave the British the cutest name, " limeys"
Hey Zak, love the history lessons/stories. Unless I missed it, you forgot to say, "thanks for the fish" when you left the lake. Don't forget your towel!😂
History lesson in sciense corner was great! I do really like them. 👌😊
I got a bit bored during my 500 day run and completely looted the dam of all metal and wood, came out with 671 scrap metal plus the metal used to repair my hacksaw, so probably close to 700ish total
Zak when you are going fishing use the fishing hut with the door it gives a bonus you get more warmth
I know, but it does not matter when you have a hot fire anyway :)
@@Zaknafein ohhh yeah you had a fire 😬😬😬
The door does save your clothes. Even when you’re sitting with the fire, the storm hits your clothing hard through the opening.
45:10 Episode 12, you shot a wolf that caught a rabbit :)
seems like you are the right Person i can ask then . Do you know which Episode Zak had a near Death experience with a Wolf while he was Cooking ? I think he was in Broken Railroad
@@user-vz4sh7sx1q Might be this episode: ruclips.net/video/5gSo6iEbTD8/видео.html
Good catch !
That’s so cool you found it! I checked that episode, Zak even puts a note for that missed arrow.
@@user-vz4sh7sx1q The one with the bear attack just minutes before? Episode 23: Wolves! So Many Wolves!
Today I found the preppers pie. I made a new Interloper run the other day. On day 14-15 currently, found the hammer and other goodies and made my way to the forge at forlorn muskeg. I went to the bunker behind old Spence farm and went into bunker. Was empty of course it’s interloper. Dead guy on the floor, was kind of odd, In a plastic blue crate was the recipe for the pie. Of course I can’t make it yet being you need level 5 cooking.
43:10 A fishing tip-up requires a set of fishing tackle to construct and wears out after several uses.
Really enjoyed this one! Thanks for wonderful chat about the history of scurvy and birth of the scientific method ❤
I love the science discussions Zak.
i'm a pilgrim player and there comes a time where I do crazy fishing seasons, fish for 12 hours make a fire cook eat drink, then fish for another 12 hours and repeat until I take to much tired damaged then sleep then keep fishing until I have a bit to much fish lol
You're glad to have got double bear coats when you cut that much limbs, otherwise you practically have to light a fire near the limb not the freeze.
I never find back my arrows when I lost them, but they are not that hard to make, I usually make like twenty in one go to have some in advance.
The rare fish are not very useful except the Rockfish which is used for the Dockworker's Pie and that give a lot of vitamin C in one go.
A nice little fishing session with a little history lesson as a bonus :)
Sailors in the Royal Navy were made to drink a daily ration of lime juice to prevent scurvy. Some Americans refer to Brits as 'limeys' to this day.
There you go
A trick I've been using when fishing is very similar to your trick for quartering a bear or moose in parts; I set the stove, whether that's boiling water or cooking a fish, and I set my fishing to 3 or 4 hours.
When I get close to/just past the time needed (by estimating with the filling circle, like you'll do to quarter in parts), I just cancel so whatever I'm cooking isn't burned or boiled off.
Seems to help the chance% of catching by having longer goes that get canceled partway through than going for one hour sessions. 🤷🏻♂️😎🤷🏻♂️
Can't believe you found that arrow. Got one or two in Mystery Lake I'm hoping to find again myself.
I've also recently been playing around with crafting a new bow, but leaving a half hour left, so I can take a "new" bow everywhere with me for zero weight; I just need a workbench and a half hour to finish it up before the old one breaks!
Been rewatching and binging the series as I play. Happy hunting in the next episode! 😎🤝🏻✊🏻🔥
Thank you! At first I was gonna say "Isn't that what I did?" but you make an interesting point: does the set duration impact fishing success and not actual duration? Hmm. Thanks for the tip!
@Zaknafein And to be fair, I haven't done enough playing around and testing to *verify* that longer sessions yield more fish, but it sure *feels* that way.
I have distinct memories of it being exactly that way, maybe two years ago, before any of the DLCs, new content, loot shuffles, etc. Plenty of mechanics have been changed in that time, so I can't say for certain that fishing would remain unchanged.
Scurvy has certainly incentivized me to start setting up pretty hefty fishing operations in all the regions I've been able to so far. Plenty more hours to come, so perhaps I'll play around a bit with some duration testing. 🤔🤷🏻♂️😎
Thanks again, by the way, for the *countless hours* of top-tier Long Dark content. I'm a 34 year old construction worker from New Jersey, and I just play in my spare and layoff time; 80% of anything I know about this game I probably learned from your channel; hard lessons being the other 20%. Haha. 😎
Looking forward to all the content to come! 🙏🏻🤝🏻🙏🏻
@@ZaknafeinAccording to Bashrobe, the chance of catching anything is 0% if you set the time to one hour, from what I remember. So you might as well do something else.
@@Thetarget1 thats right, but I also wanted to test it :)
ive been watching these videos for a couple months now, i think i started tuning in at ep 13 or so. i got into the long dark when stacyplays played it in like 2014! but thank you for these videos, they relax me and calm me down. i look forward to them every week ;).
Thanks!!
Thank you! It means a lot!
You`ve lost your arrow in Bleak Inlet - last night I`ve lost my 260-day run there. A marine flare went out a 0.1 second before starting fire and the timber wolfies just bled my poor Astrid dry. A stim could probably gave her some time for last bandages, but she still kinda panics in such situations.
Well, a mourning mood for today )
Edvard Grieg ruclips.net/video/OoaQyu0wx1A/видео.html
I lost a 279 day run in bleak inlet too! Timebeewolves got me and I was bleeding bad. I barely made it to a car and died trying to bandage up. I could have prevented it and was kinda playing reckless anyway. I get major PTSD when I have to go to signal void in Bleak Inlet
In that period before the aurora kicks in fully, the flashlight and the milling machine will begin to work. You will be able to hear the milling machine and it can be used at that point. When the aurora effects fully kick in then the lights will go on and the buffer memory computer will be accessible. While you might not carry the flashlight routinely because of parameters on its use, putting it in a convenient location can be helpful when the aurora starts.
According to the wiki, curing the scurvy affliction calls for getting Vitamin C stores to 500. Given the higher rate C is used in Stalker and Interloper (neither of which I have ever played) that sounds like a real burden. Better to avoid getting the affliction at about all costs.
If you use the pot the fish would cook in about 20% shorter time and the time for the cooked fish to burn is somewhat more. Bit more manipulation to get raw fish into pot and cooked fish out of it.
13:45 You can't look at the screen because the aurora hasn't fully started. Once the the aurora is in full effect, you can read the message whether you've seen it before or not. Each time an aurora starts, the screen will randomly display one of several messages. I'm still very far from collecting all buffer memories because that requires checking each screen during multiple aurorae.
To avoid Scurvy, Ice Fishing and Birch Bark Tea are the ONLY items for a long run. Both are renewable Vitamin-C items. Daily you need to eat: 2.2 kg of Fresh Coho Salmon Cooked, or 1 kg of Fresh Rainbow Trout Cooked, or you need to drink: 4 cups of Birch Bark Tea.
Honestly I think they could tune those numbers down. Maybe instead of 20 units of Vit C per day on stalker/interloper, it should be 15. Leaving it on 10 is fine on lower difficulty
@@Noxen74 In my opinion while not being difficult to avoid, Scurvy affliction ruins the exploration aspect of the game.
Seems like it would be a goog idea to have a few tip ups in each region to prevent scurvy now.
Been 6/7 episodes behind more or less, so I am happy to reach the current episode. Much like you Zak it seems my own little family is going to increase as we have finally reached the 8th week. So everything is starting to get real. And very stressful.
Anyway Denmark is better then Sweden and all that, looking forward to the episode.
I love the science lessons. Even though I already knew about the oranges being the source of the cure, I didn't know the depth of the experiments and how they found that oranges would cure the scurvy. Very interesting!
The lost arrow it was on part 12 49mins 30 seconds you missed a wolf, looks like you also made a note of it in the journal. Day 34 i believe
One of my favorite parts of this game is the fishing. Tough to reach level 5 on interloper but still fun. Hopefully they can polish a few aspects in the future.. Bait/Lure optimization. Great video sir. Thanks
13:44 It’s still early evening so the aurora isn’t fully powered yet. On x3 time multiplyer I learned that auroras have a short time at the beginning and end where everything is half powered. Same on all difficulties.
Being a 400+ days interloper player I would also STRONGLY recommend using 6 tip-ups instead of fishing by hand. You will just get THAT much more fish... Skill doesn't even matter anymore
I will use the bashrobe tactic next time. This time I wasn't as bothered, especially as it would require going to the Dam to get metal.
But the goal is to get fishing level 5 although…
@@AmplifyChris Yes that too :)
@@Zaknafein note also that 6 tip-ups are the best way to maximise fish outcome :)
Hi Zack this is one of your fans from Azerbaijan. Clearly you are the most survival gamer on RUclips and I always look forward to see next episode. All I ask you just to make your uploads more frequently and longer if possible
Thank you! I would upload more often, but I work full time and have a baby, so it is difficult to find time.
@@Zaknafein thanks for the reply. May God keeps you and your family safe)
Dear Zaknafein! Thank You for telling me about history of treatment of scurvy, it was really interesting to listen to it! I really like that it is implemented in TLD. Neverless I would like to note that other navies might also have their own treatment for it at 18th century, still might be not documented in scientific way.
Usually 1 hour fishing sessions will not catch anything. Try using at least 2 hours and stop at a quarter for 30 minutes
Lures slow down the catch rate but increase the rare fish rate while bait increases the weight of the fish without changing the catch weight but uses one bait per fish. My first fish becomes bait for the next Howe many I have bait for.
Nice video👍🏾
There is one fishing hut in ZoC also I believe you can put tip ups on the ice by the fishing hut, not sure about other ice though. I just use 2 tip ups and fish normally just to get a bit of lamp oil and tip ups don’t give fishing skill.
I was gona ask the crowd who hasn't caught a fish and pretended it was talking to you. But now that I've seen zak place two dead fish "mouth to mouth" prentending they are kissing.... i have to know if anyone else has ever done that?... you sick people :)
Tough choice - interloper video or 500 day video... hmmmm...
One after the other
I love when you talk about science. I think you should be able to talk about whatever you want to. People who complain can go watch someone else:)
STORY TIME 23:45
I am surprised that you did not use fishing tip-ups to help you fish. Several tip ups (4-6) can exponentially increase your fishing sessions and make fishing a viable food resource
As I explain in the video, I wasn't too bothered this time as I only needed a little fish, and I didn't really want to go to the Dam. But next time I will :)
@@Zaknafein Thx for the story on hoe Scurvy was beaten. I heard of the Physician who did it but not specifically on the process.
If I recall correctly, you left either the dam or the transition zone, went to the hunters blind en route to the lake, then up there when you shot the arrow and missed. Hope that helps to remember when it was. Yes, you were looking for the bedroll.
pretty sure that story was apocryphal or at least it's not how i've ever heard it but i still appreciated it
Its accurate. I read James Lind's book from the 18th century, so I have looked at the original sources. Also researching it at the moment for a paper. For pedagogical reasons, some things are always simplified, but the facts are all correct.
@@Zaknafein ive always heard they learned about the effects of citrus by observing ships that had stopped at small islands to collect fresh fruit and such,
Put the fishs, on the bench, next to the bed.
Vitamin c, is like cell glue, collagen formation
Nice, good to know
This is good content
Lol I was just typing about that they didn't know it was vitaminC then you started saying it lol. Also the British thought it was the acidic content that cured the scurvy and they did tests to see what had the highest content and they found it was limes so that's what they took and that's how thay became known a limeys among other countries navy's 😀
SCIENCE!
Finally! I was really wondering how did you manage not to get scurvy risk for too long. Now I am curious of how it will evolve: my gripe with the mechanic is that you think you have it under control after a massive fishing session but 10 days later you gotta drop everything and fish again. I am curious to see how long does it take for you.
I've heard you say: "the arrow!" And known this second it was the one you send over the hill trying to hit the wolf... The wolf saying exactly 3sec after you explaining up here are no wolfs: Wrong! (Sounds like woof😋)
It's a bit concerning I'm not familiar with your runs then my own...😅
First non patreon?! Whatever lol I’m just excited for another Zac video 😁
1:23:45 is there a reason you don't pick up the birch barks? When I play Interloper I pick them up like a drug addict 😆
Unless I need them, I mostly just pick them up if they are in front of me
Good job
Zak, I don't know if I'm correct but didn't they use pine needles to make a tea that helped with scurvy. Seems in history class it was mentioned.
Yes, I dont think it was to treat it per se but it prevented it. But I am not that familiar with scurvy outside of Lind.
@@Zaknafein I hear you. It was just something I thought was mentioned because the sailers showed up sick and the Indians got them better. Could be just a false memory.
Arrow lost on episode 12 when a wolf followed you up to the prepper cache area and attacked a rabbit. Your first shot was a little high and lost. The rest is history. :) ruclips.net/video/IPv_JY64UxI/видео.html
6000 calories of fish in one sitting, no fiber. Yeesh
I imagine the outhouse will have at least 4 stink lines....
Fish can actually be sensible travelfood- if you prefer to travel without stinklines you can choose to carry two 4kg pieces of fish insted of two 1kg pieces of meat, right? If im not mistaken stink lines is not calculated on weight but number of items. Of course, cattails might have a better weight to calorie relation than fish, but still, if youre in a region that is picked clear of cattails or smt. :-)
at some point should do some kind of art with stones. like... a few hundred.
Was this the first time experiencing scurvy in this run? I think it was started before scurvy was added to the game. And if it's the case, would you do things differently in the start of your run to prepare more for beating scurvy?
Yes it was the first time. He used a mod to add scurvy to this old run.
Maybe I would be the only one interested, but I would love if you could explore the ratio in game time/real time. Maybe do a challenge : find the slower/faster in game time. In this video, the in game time was very fast.
Game should add a sashimi recipe.
I'm confused; if fish have moderate vitamin C why would sailors (who i assume ate a great deal of fish) get scurvy?
Its just a game mechanic to make things infinite, afaik
52:12 is that a book on the right bench ?? :))
I think its just snow
There is actually a wrong way to play The Long Dark, and that's the way that causes you to be frustrated rather than enjoying your time. Mileage may vary, but if you're having a bad time - consider finding ways to improve it!
13:50 You cant click the laptop because the aurora isnt fully active. You can always click it if the aurora is fully active, even if you already have the displayed message (each screen will have multiple messages)
Man Eats 2 Kilos of Fish to Fight Off Scurvy
I was wondering why you don't use bait whilst fishing?
It doesnt do much, for now. Might be patched.
Does sea fish give more oil?
No, I think its determined by weight
You didnt take the charcoal 1:18:00
O boi
comment for the algorithm
Yeah, no don't sing that song 😖😂
What song?
"Don't Worry, Be Happy"