38:19 Not once has been crownfall refered to as a gameplay patch, nor a "huge" patch in general. I swear the collective dota hivemind just comes up with things they thought valve said. Below are all the times crownfall has been refered to in a blogpost in a reverse chronological order "We know many of you are looking forward to Crownfall, and we're looking forward to getting it into your hands We're wrapping things up and expect to release in mid-April." "We're hard at work on an upcoming update we're calling "Crownfall", and we're excited to get it finished so you can see what we've been working on." "...and the Arcanas?" little Timmy asks hopefully, holding up his tiny Dickensian gruel bowl. Phew, this is awkward. No, Timmy, not yet. All cards on the table, the event surrounding the Arcanas this year has gained a few more moving parts than we initially planned. Enough that we haven't finished everything yet, and won't this year, but we're looking forward to releasing it in the next few months. "
As a Skywrath Main for 6 years now and having him not have his arcana for 2 years after he lost to void I'm SUPER HAPPY that i can finally enjoy this game. Even though valve neglected to patch him since September i don't care about the haters. I'll grind up those sweet tokens, get the discount and spam my favourite Eryie And we get more lore!!! Why is it that when there's relevant lore everyone just sleeps
I loved the comic and I seriously thought the story was well written. It was good to start the hype for the real patch where you continue the story. I think it is sad that people as so negative about everything that is not a gameplay patch or a battlepass..
I've been a long time wolves fan and was eagerly waiting for the day we could face the Suns, and now we're doing it as favourites! LET'S GO WOLVES, you're going down Shannon.
I actually do agree with Synd with the Arcana not being locked behind levels and battlepass. I'm not saying I'll buy the arcana and use it right now but if I do want in somewhere down the line it still purchasable (hopefully) and not unavailable like QOP, Drow, WR etc arcana
@@morbibuddy8148is the farmed unlockable style can still be unlocked if I decided to postponed buying the arcana now? I mean I dont want to by the base arcana now but I want to explore that huge map.
I wonder if you can purchase the arcanas now and they become marketable (I imagine it's only logical that way), we'd definitely find some that only have 1 style, or for example Vengeful Spirit not having the 3rd style. How would this impact price? first style for both is "basically" free but requires gameplay just like the other purchasble arcanas out there (except these ones are unlocked in a time-limited event). But the 3rd style for Venge, it definitely costs more than Skywrath, given you must purchase all of the side quests of the 4 acts.
George C, I agree. Very positive and gracious in your opinion. I dont expect much just happy Dota is alive and well 💪 with all the spike in player counts since Crownfall.❤
As a casual player, extra content like this is much more satisfying for me than just a plain gameplay patch. I know the basic lore of venge and skywrath but this update made me want to dive deeper into their lore.
I agree. In some way the pro scene is very spoiled since gameplay patches determine or have a serious effect on tournaments. But for us casuals, this new update is actually super fun
I totally agree. But emphasizing on what Synderen said, how the arcana looks off and somewhat anime, it's true in terms of cosmetics.. Almost none of her set items fit even if only equipping the actual arana alone (back slot). It's way off the original, none of the items are even close and they look terrible with arcana. Skywrath has a very small window for that, especially with the set that makes him look like a crow with 2 styles.
@miasma529 The big glowing bow looks great with the arcana and it comes in 3 colors for each venge arcana tier! For the most part compared to say PA arcana it has less matching items for sure though.
@@sameveland8560 I just found out something that pissed me off really. Much like Ogre Arcana where the 2nd style is not even worth unlocking to just look like a fancier Ogre Magi ffs, they did the same to Venge arcana smh... In the comic she's literally the 2nd style, but they decided to make the fancier Venge to be the 2nd style and not the first one to start with... What is even the point in all this? They should have at least respected the lore and not make a 2nd style the same hero but a little fancier
Well I dunno. Fun to have some different things to do. Personally I'd rather have a gameplay update hero item changes etc. To me this sounds like pay to win. But bundles stack mmr double downs and grab that mmr. What do u think?
I don't really care about a new hero and map changes. I actually am happy to understand the game and try to get better in it. Changes always make that harder. And I already didn't play any hero there is, so I have no use for a new hero personally. Also if reddit is the source for "bad reception" of a patch, it is not really valid because on reddit only the negative nancys talk. The most people lurk in the shadows without posting.
Finally I have reasons to play like crazy and I dont need to win as well. Its also a lore update (which I really want get into but Dota 2 lore is just hugeee) so I take this update than gameplay update.
I just returned to dota recently after i quit the game last year and I was just wondering what the community thinks of the patch damn why so much hate I have almost finished act one And i had so much fun I haven't enjoyed the game this much since the last battle pass
I was initially disappointed with Crownfall, and while that disappointment does linger, what we got was cool enough that it's most mitigated it. I really like cavern crawl to begin with, so a souped up version of it is right up my alley.
I think its okay to have some longer episodes if yall have things to talk about. Miss the random topics n discussions. I think the crownfall was decent. But yes was hoping for more gameplay stuff to come as well. I wouldnt mind no new hero if the gameplay thing changes heroes alot too. But yes it does feel like valve kinda said they didnt wanna do bp to do more gameplay updates. And the behaviour stuff have been cool but would appreciate more patches. If not i honestly rather they revert to a bp so that pro players get more from TI
The update wouldn't make me mad except it literally broke my game and I can't even play without crashing now. Wouldn't even mind a strictly non-gameplay content patch but releasing an unstable patch every time when it's not even gameplay is pretty annoying.
I don't care at all about the comic. It would have been nice to get 7.35 but at least the cavern crawl gives me a reason to go back and play some Ability Draft again when I don't have any heroes I enjoy playing in the path. Also, as someone who plays 1-2 games 70% of days, I'm alright with where things are right now so I'm not dying for a patch. At low Divine there isn't a carry or two that I want to kill myself because of how broken they are and seeing them every game. I never buy anything, don't need to pay for pixels. Free stuff makes it fun though.
It's funny and understandable how much the community has backpedalled on their angry views on the update. Yes the expectations were set high but now we've been fed the first course it's nothing bad.
IDK if Sunsfan gonna show up for another NBA segment... with Bradley Brick and them sorry Suns taking a dump. All that Ayton hate... for this... fire GM Sunsfan
Typical valve yes man synderen protecting his buddies bruno and co. I stopped playing for a year and have just come back, was looking forward to GAMEPLAY CHANGES. I could care less about arcanas, cavern crawl etc its just icing on the cake. The cake is rotting because it has been left in the sun. We have been waiting for significant changes post ti and we got a letter patch. Then you hype crownfall as IT and nada. its so obvious they broke it up because they were not ready / lagging and want to take a months worth of dedicated work and stretch it over 6 months. Dota is dying they are doing less and less and people like synderen saying its not that bad are why ti 13 will be for a million bucks whereas ti 11 was for 40 million. If you cant see decay your willingly blind
That Tundra black horse prediction makes sense. Essentially, they were the much better team in the group stage against XG, lost out on upper bracket by a single point and lost in lower bracket against Quest whom they'd completely dominated a few weeks back in qualifiers. Essentially, they had a chance for a good run in Elite League except that Pure decided to not show up against Quest (as in he literally didn't participate in fights they would have won if he hadn't run away, letting his team die). Also, the fact that I don't even bother making this comment about Crownfall should speak volumes.
Saying that this way is less greedy feels false when they have chosen to do this and not give any of the money to the players. They indicated this type of stuff was not going to be a thing anymore, and that the focus would be on gameplay. We lost the big TI funding for that promise. I would so much rather have what we had before than what they promised, but in my opinion they have not delivered what they promised and them going back to doing this battle pass thing but without giving anything to TI feels very bad.
I'm not about to buy cosmetics for a game state I dont enjoy playing. The Foundation update with the map changes was an experiment that didn't necessarily succeed. It NEEDS the adjustment patch. Also most teams will be qualifying for TI now on a patch that hopefully wont see the event. Rankings being hidden should have no influence on that.
definitely a let down. unfortunately i am becoming more and more let down by valve’s decisions with dota in recent years. seems like more want for money and less actual game value
I just got one question for valve team HOW THE F IS THIS BETTER THAN HAVING COMPENDIUM?? It was an event, a moment of the year where all dota players active inactive would come together. How they lost the intrest, TI is not TI anymore and guess what ppl wont buy into your shit event!
no new balance patch is disgraceful, also no behaviour patch, only a small percentage of whales are going to enjoy this. a quick cash grab vs long term health of the game.
after this and frostivus, getting real tired of all the overly hyped yet useless updates and "events". i feel like this was a great setup for an awesome game mode, just laziness on valves end
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Not once has been crownfall refered to as a gameplay patch, nor a "huge" patch in general. I swear the collective dota hivemind just comes up with things they thought valve said. Below are all the times crownfall has been refered to in a blogpost in a reverse chronological order
"We know many of you are looking forward to Crownfall, and we're looking forward to getting it into your hands We're wrapping things up and expect to release in mid-April."
"We're hard at work on an upcoming update we're calling "Crownfall", and we're excited to get it finished so you can see what we've been working on."
"...and the Arcanas?" little Timmy asks hopefully, holding up his tiny Dickensian gruel bowl. Phew, this is awkward. No, Timmy, not yet. All cards on the table, the event surrounding the Arcanas this year has gained a few more moving parts than we initially planned. Enough that we haven't finished everything yet, and won't this year, but we're looking forward to releasing it in the next few months. "
sunfan literally talks about the update being eluded as a big update in the podcast.... did u even watch???
As a Skywrath Main for 6 years now and having him not have his arcana for 2 years after he lost to void
I'm SUPER HAPPY that i can finally enjoy this game. Even though valve neglected to patch him since September i don't care about the haters. I'll grind up those sweet tokens, get the discount and spam my favourite Eryie
And we get more lore!!! Why is it that when there's relevant lore everyone just sleeps
I loved the comic and I seriously thought the story was well written. It was good to start the hype for the real patch where you continue the story. I think it is sad that people as so negative about everything that is not a gameplay patch or a battlepass..
People playing Dota for any reason other than gameplay is depressing
This is a battlepass
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What time stamp is this topic?
@@CarlJung666 Patreons at the start. It's the weekly trivia name by that dude.
I like the interactive map. I'm not dying for a gameplay update.
I've been a long time wolves fan and was eagerly waiting for the day we could face the Suns, and now we're doing it as favourites! LET'S GO WOLVES, you're going down Shannon.
Caravan trader is ringmaster
Im a casual player and Im still disappointed there is nor gameplay patch
I actually do agree with Synd with the Arcana not being locked behind levels and battlepass. I'm not saying I'll buy the arcana and use it right now but if I do want in somewhere down the line it still purchasable (hopefully) and not unavailable like QOP, Drow, WR etc arcana
They will release it in the caravan and candy shops
FYI, the sky and venge's arcana are gonna be tradable and marketable next year
@@morbibuddy8148is the farmed unlockable style can still be unlocked if I decided to postponed buying the arcana now? I mean I dont want to by the base arcana now but I want to explore that huge map.
We Say Things - an esports and Dota podcast, I love your channel so much, I just had to subscribe!
with most effects you can actually separate them from the item and use them with different sets now, dont remember when they changed that
I wonder if you can purchase the arcanas now and they become marketable (I imagine it's only logical that way), we'd definitely find some that only have 1 style, or for example Vengeful Spirit not having the 3rd style. How would this impact price? first style for both is "basically" free but requires gameplay just like the other purchasble arcanas out there (except these ones are unlocked in a time-limited event). But the 3rd style for Venge, it definitely costs more than Skywrath, given you must purchase all of the side quests of the 4 acts.
George C, I agree. Very positive and gracious in your opinion. I dont expect much just happy Dota is alive and well 💪 with all the spike in player counts since Crownfall.❤
So much fun ! Love the update, looking forward to a big patch and the new hero whenever it comes aswell!
You guys are content creators but for most players this update is better than a gameplay update.
100 pages loregasm dump? Totally worth it if you ask Slacks, back in business baby!!!!
This patch is dope AF!
As a casual player, extra content like this is much more satisfying for me than just a plain gameplay patch. I know the basic lore of venge and skywrath but this update made me want to dive deeper into their lore.
I agree. In some way the pro scene is very spoiled since gameplay patches determine or have a serious effect on tournaments.
But for us casuals, this new update is actually super fun
Giving venge her wings back was something I've been waiting for, so that's nice
I totally agree. But emphasizing on what Synderen said, how the arcana looks off and somewhat anime, it's true in terms of cosmetics.. Almost none of her set items fit even if only equipping the actual arana alone (back slot). It's way off the original, none of the items are even close and they look terrible with arcana. Skywrath has a very small window for that, especially with the set that makes him look like a crow with 2 styles.
@miasma529 The big glowing bow looks great with the arcana and it comes in 3 colors for each venge arcana tier! For the most part compared to say PA arcana it has less matching items for sure though.
@@sameveland8560 I just found out something that pissed me off really. Much like Ogre Arcana where the 2nd style is not even worth unlocking to just look like a fancier Ogre Magi ffs, they did the same to Venge arcana smh... In the comic she's literally the 2nd style, but they decided to make the fancier Venge to be the 2nd style and not the first one to start with... What is even the point in all this? They should have at least respected the lore and not make a 2nd style the same hero but a little fancier
i like the update but i was really looking forward to having another game mode similar to Siltbreaker.
I love the NBA segment!
Well I dunno. Fun to have some different things to do. Personally I'd rather have a gameplay update hero item changes etc. To me this sounds like pay to win. But bundles stack mmr double downs and grab that mmr. What do u think?
I don't really care about a new hero and map changes. I actually am happy to understand the game and try to get better in it. Changes always make that harder. And I already didn't play any hero there is, so I have no use for a new hero personally. Also if reddit is the source for "bad reception" of a patch, it is not really valid because on reddit only the negative nancys talk. The most people lurk in the shadows without posting.
Regarding new hero, based on the history of hero release, it 1 yr plus now after Muerta
"I'm sure the new gameplay patch is coming" Yea we're gonna get new roshan banner that changes ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
Also, to SFs point, I think base sw arcana is ugly, but I like the normal pallete upgraded one. The venge arcana tiers all look fucking amazing to me.
Lmao, when sunsfan teases synderen about never gettin dissapointed
Finally I have reasons to play like crazy and I dont need to win as well. Its also a lore update (which I really want get into but Dota 2 lore is just hugeee) so I take this update than gameplay update.
Good update, been stuck on worse patches in the past not that bad shut up n wait a couple more weeks
I agree, this patch is really balanced
you’re right
Reddit loves to bitch. #Purge_the_hivemind
I just returned to dota recently after i quit the game last year and
I was just wondering what the community thinks of the patch damn why so much hate
I have almost finished act one
And i had so much fun
I haven't enjoyed the game this much since the last battle pass
I was initially disappointed with Crownfall, and while that disappointment does linger, what we got was cool enough that it's most mitigated it. I really like cavern crawl to begin with, so a souped up version of it is right up my alley.
Good for the Dota WiKi! And massive props to all the contributors. Bu3nyy is a goddamn gigachad.
Fuck Fandom.
I think its okay to have some longer episodes if yall have things to talk about. Miss the random topics n discussions. I think the crownfall was decent. But yes was hoping for more gameplay stuff to come as well. I wouldnt mind no new hero if the gameplay thing changes heroes alot too. But yes it does feel like valve kinda said they didnt wanna do bp to do more gameplay updates. And the behaviour stuff have been cool but would appreciate more patches. If not i honestly rather they revert to a bp so that pro players get more from TI
I assumed crown fall was ring master.
The update wouldn't make me mad except it literally broke my game and I can't even play without crashing now. Wouldn't even mind a strictly non-gameplay content patch but releasing an unstable patch every time when it's not even gameplay is pretty annoying.
Valve should add speech-to-text conversion, so that people can read instead of listen their team mates. The technology is mature enough.
Act 2 will have ringmaster.
We call her "Vegetable Spirit" during Dota 1
Why did you guys not touch on the Ammar spice?
I don't care at all about the comic. It would have been nice to get 7.35 but at least the cavern crawl gives me a reason to go back and play some Ability Draft again when I don't have any heroes I enjoy playing in the path.
Also, as someone who plays 1-2 games 70% of days, I'm alright with where things are right now so I'm not dying for a patch. At low Divine there isn't a carry or two that I want to kill myself because of how broken they are and seeing them every game.
I never buy anything, don't need to pay for pixels. Free stuff makes it fun though.
where is slacks when you need him :(
It's funny and understandable how much the community has backpedalled on their angry views on the update. Yes the expectations were set high but now we've been fed the first course it's nothing bad.
rip warriors, end of an era :(
Good job Valve disappointing Dota2 and CS2 fans, player, caster, content creator at the same time.
IDK if Sunsfan gonna show up for another NBA segment... with Bradley Brick and them sorry Suns taking a dump. All that Ayton hate... for this... fire GM Sunsfan
Typical valve yes man synderen protecting his buddies bruno and co. I stopped playing for a year and have just come back, was looking forward to GAMEPLAY CHANGES. I could care less about arcanas, cavern crawl etc its just icing on the cake. The cake is rotting because it has been left in the sun. We have been waiting for significant changes post ti and we got a letter patch. Then you hype crownfall as IT and nada. its so obvious they broke it up because they were not ready / lagging and want to take a months worth of dedicated work and stretch it over 6 months. Dota is dying they are doing less and less and people like synderen saying its not that bad are why ti 13 will be for a million bucks whereas ti 11 was for 40 million. If you cant see decay your willingly blind
Really sad to not see you talk about the tipping and shit-talking/banter between Xtreme and Falcons with the tip me clowns, questionmarks and gg ez's.
Nah the arcanas don't look anime at all. More like western style cartoon
If you read the last part of "Ringmaster" intro. It only says 2024.
The early 2024 is this crap.
too bad, Suns got swept by the Wolves
sunsfan you got beef with lakers? 😄 the warriors didn't make the playoffs no comment on that? how dare you sir!!!
Sunsfan hates the Lakers more than the Warriors
To be fair if you grew up in the 2000s you'd feel why
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That Tundra black horse prediction makes sense. Essentially, they were the much better team in the group stage against XG, lost out on upper bracket by a single point and lost in lower bracket against Quest whom they'd completely dominated a few weeks back in qualifiers.
Essentially, they had a chance for a good run in Elite League except that Pure decided to not show up against Quest (as in he literally didn't participate in fights they would have won if he hadn't run away, letting his team die).
Also, the fact that I don't even bother making this comment about Crownfall should speak volumes.
Saying that this way is less greedy feels false when they have chosen to do this and not give any of the money to the players. They indicated this type of stuff was not going to be a thing anymore, and that the focus would be on gameplay. We lost the big TI funding for that promise. I would so much rather have what we had before than what they promised, but in my opinion they have not delivered what they promised and them going back to doing this battle pass thing but without giving anything to TI feels very bad.
I'm in low priority because of this update. game keep crashing even in single draft map. time to stop playing i guess. 🤣
I'm not about to buy cosmetics for a game state I dont enjoy playing. The Foundation update with the map changes was an experiment that didn't necessarily succeed. It NEEDS the adjustment patch. Also most teams will be qualifying for TI now on a patch that hopefully wont see the event. Rankings being hidden should have no influence on that.
Data miners leaks
Act 2 may 11
3 june 16
4 July something 😊
Only if he gets someone smart first
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No grown man should care about what his fairy in a video game looks like
Clownfall!! Way too disappointed!
I am personally very happy about this update 😎
For me its mixed bag just to balance out this comment thread... 😅 Well have to judge this whole Crownfall thing after part 4...
What were people expecting then.. jeez
definitely a let down. unfortunately i am becoming more and more let down by valve’s decisions with dota in recent years. seems like more want for money and less actual game value
I just got one question for valve team
HOW THE F IS THIS BETTER THAN HAVING COMPENDIUM??
It was an event, a moment of the year where all dota players active inactive would come together.
How they lost the intrest, TI is not TI anymore and guess what ppl wont buy into your shit event!
Suns is the example of a narcissist with big ego persona that all things have to be about me and my needs cmon dude what a selfish person
First!!
I believe this is the pivot after artifact underperformed
no new balance patch is disgraceful, also no behaviour patch, only a small percentage of whales are going to enjoy this. a quick cash grab vs long term health of the game.
does dota have whales?
Whales??? You don't have 35$?
You’re oblivious to the fact there’s 4 parts?
@@anvoeske you're oblivious that all of them are FREE
@@anvoeske next part not for a month, it's already been over a year since a half decent update
No one cares about the WNBA it's hilarious
after this and frostivus, getting real tired of all the overly hyped yet useless updates and "events". i feel like this was a great setup for an awesome game mode, just laziness on valves end