I like 'em all...but I do rather enjoy the sarcastic condemnation of the response videos. :) Would love to see Bible Studies with Atheist Al make a comback though!
Nonononono officer. I didn't rape those children. They just didn't accept my love. So really, they raped themselves. I then burnt them justly as they didn't scream loud enough
+Iloveapplefritters Maybe he's just a little "kid" playing with mud and throwing stuff in it in a playground. Can't blame kids for genocide, and stuff!
ed smith you speak about god as though you have met him and know what or how he thinks. So did you meet him in a real sense, in the same way that you might meet a friend for a beer? In a physical way that could be recorded on a camera, or on some audio recording? Perhaps he was caught in security footage at Starbucks? Perhaps someone else was in the room at the same time and witnessed you meeting or "knowing" god. The answer is of course no you didn't, you only know god because of some vague fuzzy feeling you experienced internally, that nobody could measure, record or objectively measure. Because he does not objectively exist - like Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster or the tooth fairy.
ed smith , but humanity crucifying Jesus/ himself was the plan thou , lol .So what now ? You have a "personal relationship with god " well in that case I support your homosexuality with god 😁😁👌 , while you and god will be doing that , I'll be busy / have a "personal relationship" with Aphrodite / Venus , Ishtar , Innana , Hera , Isis and Gaia . Everyone : They're not real either Khan . Me : Jerks .
I can only think of one crime that comes close to deserving the punishment of eternal hellfire. That is, the crime of torturing millions of people with eternal hellfire.
Matthew Shute Like, I wouldn't really lose sleep over pedophiles and Nazis facing eternal hellfire, but even in their case _eternity_ seems a bit overkill. After a couple centuries or millenias they should at least get the chance for parole or something.
Its so ridiculous i dont know how people have done the mental gymnastics necessary to make this sounds loving. Its like saying that if a girl i love doesnt love me back then she deserves a life full of misery and free of any love from anyone else.
I want to believe in God, the after life and eternal bliss in heaven. I'm not stupid. I expect to be eaten by crawly creatures, six feet under, never to return. To me, the God premis falls short, not just for lack of proof. I listen to people of faith and what I have to believe to be accepted in heaven, is morally impossible for me, I think I'm the better human being for not believing it
Hell is eternal separation from God. God loves but is also just. Think of a heaven like a place God lives, a house. Think of hell like the street outside where that house is parked, ( maybe it’s a motor-home ).. who knows.. now.. when you die, knock on the door of the motor-home and ask to come inside. If you never attempted to have a relationship with the owner of that motor-home, do you think he would let you inside to live with him...for all eternity? Apply that same equation to your life now.. go ask someone on the other side of the town you live in if you can come and move in with them.. what do you think they’re gonna say? My thought is “ get the HELL out of here”. You should re-examine your interpretations of Gods word. Or maybe develop your own opinion rather than repeat George Carlin or another prominent A-Theist. It is comical how much time Atheists spend on proving God doesn’t exist. It’s a full time job. I wonder if so much time is also put into proving Santa doesn’t exist or the tooth fairy. The proof God exists can be found in Newton’s third law as and if it applies to everything. Why do so many spend so much time proving God doesn’t exist? It’s the other end of the equation trying to balance itself out. We have day because we have night, without the day we wouldn’t have the night. We would just have. Everything you see that governs the earth and world as you know it , is first brought about in dimensions you cannot see , taste or touch. We live in the third dimension. Trying to understand something that resides outside the dimension in which we live is impossible. This is why it takes faith. Once you exercise your faith, you don’t need visible proof because you start to understand and see with your heart and mind or ( third eye - if you’re one of those types of spiritually practicing peeps ). But again, the fact that so many atheists exist proves nothing, it is the actions of those that are that prove God’s existence. Every in depth video, article, meeting, debate, joke, comment... it all proves God is real. Who would dedicate that much collective time to proving something they don’t believe in or even think exists ? I don’t believe in the boogey man but I don’t write books and enter debates about it. But even if Alex and others could flip this point around on itself and I know Alex would ( really intelligent young man that I respect immensely ), to what end ? What do you get out of eliminating the Christian God? Has anyone ever asked this or answered it? Let’s say everyone stopped believing and practicing their faith... what then? Why is that so important? If people have faith in God and it makes them what they believe to be better and kinder to others and more caring... why destroy that for them? Why tear it down? My daughter is 5 years old, she likes to pretend she is a cat. If I was to combat her every time she pretended to be a cat I would be robbing her of joy. And for what reason? Because I am miserable and want her to be too? I feel hopeless so I need her to feel that way too so I don’t feel alone? The very community that atheists try to tear down is the very thing they need to thrive. A community revolving around having faith and hope in God, and striving to be better than they are. Ultimately atheists go public with their doubts and try so earnestly to prove God doesn’t exist so that other people will join them so they feel connected to some type of false truth and community. We long to be connected to each other.. we long to be loved and to love others. But the thing is God is love.. he is what connects us to each other.
Conrad Spoke Thats just how he is though, he gets very passionate about things that mean a lot to him so of course his delivery was going to be different. Besides these two guys are two completely different and not one one the same, you also have to take into account personality types. There plenty of people like that guy and I'm one of them, we just can't help it.
"Now I'm not some barbarian who would force people to worship me. That would be unfair. You can either choose to worship me, and no one else but me, or you can suffer in hell for eternity. It's completely your choice, and I do this because I love you." - God
I might have to start calling Christians, Muslims, etc... that when they want to talk to me about their faith... Oh you're one of the Love me or I'll make you burn forever believing people, huh?
No not all ! is more like : I created you in my image ,not evolve .I give you the faculty to think and the gift if free will to choose. Because I love you I can't force you to be love me ,but I'm the standard of truth and I express my love in the ten commandments .when you choose to lie,steal, commit adultery, fornication,when you don't honored your parents ,when you are mean to others and don't take care of the hunger the poor the sick you depart from my true love and caracter . The opposite of me is evil ,so if you hate me and don't relate to me evil will not go unpunished. Then Hell is Justice !
@Therese Mast Wait so God is all powerful but can't do anything about Satan? Sounds like Satan is stronger than God. Also if God has done literally everything possible to stop people going to Hell, there would be no way to get there, so deleting Hell is the most efficient way to stop people going there. And if God doesn't want me to go to Heaven then just let me die, no Heaven or Hell
@Therese Mast I'm not bossing God around. Simply questioning why Hell exists if God doesn't want anyone to go there. Nor do I hate God, I'm not convinced of his existence so I have no reason to hate him. And again, how am I supposed to believe God is all powerful if there are things he cannot do, like destroy Hell or Satan?
This is like... A parent tells his child, "eat your broccoli or else the boogeyman will get you" The child laughs off the threat and leaves the dinner table. The next day the boogeyman shows up and murders the child. At the funeral people excuse the murder by saying "well he chose not to eat it so he kind of killed himself. He was warned about the boogeyman"
Exactly if a leader acted similar to the abrahamic God...we'd consider him a tyrant and declare war on him. You can't just put everyone in jail for life for every minor infraction...why is torture for eternity for any minor to major infraction ok?
Robber goes up to a man and says give me your money or i will shoot you. The man refuses and then the robber shoots him in the face. In court the robber says well he had the choiche of giving me the money or getting shot in the face. If god is real id rather go to hell than worship a communist dictator.
At the trial. "Your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, little Timmy did not eat his broccoli. I rest my case. You must acquit my client Mr. Boogyman." Lol.
Interesting quote: “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” -Epicurus
X-Files A how do you know that your god is the true god and all the other 4000 gods (Zeus, Thor, Allah, Vishnu, ect) that mankind has made aren't real?
+X-Files A What you have posted does not constitute a response to the Epicurean Riddle. It hardly counts as an argument at all. Furthermore, if God loves us, why are the only options for us to believe in his story with little-to-no basis in reality, or eternal suffering? That is not what love is. Especially since most of us come to the quote-unquote "wrong" conclusion using the rational minds that He gave us. So either He wanted a race of slaves to worship Him forever, in which case why bother giving them rationality or free will, or He wanted a race of free-thinking beings, in which case why give the most dire ultimatum that any being can possibly give to such a race?
+X-Files A First off: Rude much? Shouting over someone who's speaking to you as an audience is disgusting. Also, this video contradicts itself. "Nothing can leave hell" "This idea was made in hell"(And is now obviously in the real world, otherwise he couldnt talk about it). Thats just 1 I picked up. Please try arguing, not preaching next time.
"God has done everything he can to keep you out of hell." NOT CREATING hell in the first place went under his radar, did it? "Hell was designed for Lucifer and the rebellious angels." Then how come humans end up there?
The first man was tricked. Original paradise was designed for humans upon creation to flow in an abundant grace with one parameter. However, man rejected love and its parameters wilfully, just like a loving Father doesn't allow a baby to drink chlorine bleach (true love sets parameters) . Satan only entices us to sin (to do what you want without parameters) and follow his path to hell, even unknowingly sometimes. Now what choice is there today, every human is born into this temporary world system (naturally, with no choice) . And the decisions we can make: 1) Either to accept God's gift of salvation and choose to follow His graced path back to life (John chapter 3 verse 16) or 2) just operate under this natural world system that follows the path of death of the first man, and reject the gift of salvation (rejecting love with parameters) , and choose to determine his/her own fate with whatever boundary they see fit. If you want understanding, read John Chapter 3: 1-21).
@@karlinwilliamson9329 Yeah, though a loving father would also never design such an environment where his child can get hurt. So, surely he would make bleach safe to consume or not make it at all...
@@karlinwilliamson9329 I don't have kids, but I did get hurt and do get hurt from time to time and it serves absolutely no purpose other than to warn me not to do dangerous things or that something is damaged in my body and I have a chance of dying...all of which should not even be a thing cause, what's the point making a world with potential to die or get hurt? Same thing for hell - it's irrational to make such a concept and allow it to exist...
Алтегоре that's a very good argument. However, with any choice there are consequences. Think of any invention, a car can have a wreck, so should you stop driving? A computer can catch a virus, will you stop using them? I do understand a life without consequences, I guess, that seems logical. However, the world was created perfect. We were given instructions to take care of it. Just like this Covid-19, we are to keep our distance and mankind chooses sometime to not take it seriously and thus we almost can't leave home now. In the beginning, we were not to eat of one tree, the knowledge of good and evil, in the garden and mankind chose to eat it and tasted death. So the same way some will try to figure this out, are the same ones who will miss the choice to eat of the tree of life (Jesus) and choose to inherent life. Basically it all comes down to choice. God invented choice, we just carry the responsibility.
"if me stumbling across your video is due to Devine intervention and this is God's best effort to show me he exists then I'm not sure he's taking this very seriously " I literally almost fell out my seat with laughter
Tina Springer And if God led me to Alex’s channel then he’s trying very hard to show me he’s not real- I’ve gone from die hard atheist to super die hard atheist watching Alex
Well,if hes doing everything he can to keep us away from hell ,then nobody is actually going there ,becouse he is all powerfull and he can do everything. Yessss,nothing has consequences now ,i can just go and murder some himans ,becouse its in my nature to do so and i need a higher authority to threaten me with eternal punishment in order to stop me from murdering people.
The only action that might be worthy of eternal punishment is the act of willingly banishing people to their own eternal, irrevocable, and unrelenting torture.
The notion of living through eternity is hell. I would be so bored. Hell would be slightly more interesting, for a week or two, than heaven. Even constant flaying, burning and torture would become boring. Please let there be no afterlife. If there is I will definitely give god a Glasgow kiss.
@@happilyeggs4627 I mean if there were just a few extra decades slapped onto heaven that'd be fine, living for like 100-200 years would be quite cool, but 400 or above is just too much for me.
Ever notice how they don’t say “if you are good, you go to heaven” it’s “if you believe, you go to heaven”. The danger with this is that it enables so many religious people to do terrible things, but then go home and pray to god, and they feel good about themselves. I think this is why some of the most horrible people tend to be the most religious. For example I know parents who beat their kids, but they all go to church every Sunday. They think it excuses their behavior
It's much worse than that. They avoid answering the question of whether god would send a very morally upright person who's an atheist (or believer of a different religion) to hell is because they don't believe that to be possible. Christianity is a religion that lives on condemning all of mankind as irredeemably evil by default and sells you the get-out-of-jail card and I won't dare hand the world to these cynical human-haters.
In response to your statement let's get it right. Just because you believe will not get you into heaven. Satan used scripture to tempt Jesus. The wording should be " If you believe with all of your heart, mind, and soul" In other other words the word of God that was given in the gospel to change you into a new creation as the old is gone and the new has begun. Christianity is the only form of religion that has mercy and grace. The rest are on a good or bad scale. You have to constantly better yourself in fear from outweighing the good from the bad. A christian is no better than you as we all fall short of the glory of God. What we do have in return is mercy and grace to repent of our sins. The holy spirit convicts our wrong doings but continues to allow us to guided in righteousness.
@@庫倫亞利克 The truth is that you were created not evolved. Whether you believe or not is your prerogative. God gave you a chance to be closer to him but you wish to be afar. The word is given to you but if you ignore it like I did for 25 years of my life then there is separation from him and you are handed over to the world. If you were never told then you never listened. We are no better than you but we put faith in believing there is a savior. It is not being better than you but there is a moral code of ethics that we were given. Sin is wrong and it is not acceptable to continue in it. The difference is that Jesus took it on himself to fight for our souls. As far as being bad? God knows our hearts and chastised the ones he loves. But if you continue in evil then you still can be separated from him. If you do not believe in the creator and say evolution is the answer then you deny God. So why worry anyway right?
@@stephendonohoe8226 The truth is that what you provide is not a truth but a claim, and a baseless, fearmongering one at that. Where are your evidence to back up your claims? Why do your alleged creator inject you with so much dysrationalia before sending you into "battles?" And I don't continue in evil because I'm not evil to begin with, and will not be. I'm trying to be a moral upright person despite being an atheist. You, who claim that someone who doesn't subscribe to your believe burns, is the vile monster here, I fear. And the fact that I don't wish you the same fate (because nobody deserves eternal torture, not even--how ironic--those who disagree with me) marks me as being substantially less evil as you. Good day.
Or your genes. Or your environment. Or your community. Or your monetary wellbeing. Or your culture. Or your exposure to the "truth". Or your upbringing. Or the severity of your indoctrination. Or anything else that influences your opinions on anything.
This is why I have argued before that because no one asked for conciousness on earth, then to give people 2 choices which is eternal conciousness in utopia or eternal conciousness in torture is immoral. There would clearly be an option of conciousness not existing after death at all just like it was before we were born. But these were uneducated people from 1900 years ago and they didn't have knowledge at the time. We advance as a society and don't need religious fairytales anymore.
@@zealotforhim Not really. God supposedly gave us free will, but if we don't believe in him and do what he stated through the Bible we are going to burn in hell for enternity.
Just as you have free will in a society governed by civil law, would you blame the justice system in all it's varied branches for enforcing those laws upon you when you , through your free will, choose to violate one of those laws. Your personal opinions or perspectives concerning those laws or the fairness of the justice system in which you now face will have no relevance when you stand before the judge. He is there to uphold law and impose judgement and an ultimate sentencing or acquittal based on the findings using the law as the standard and the judge as the one to enforce justice. God is such a being in that, He is one of truth and justice, but also one who can acquit, even though you are declared guilty, he has made a way(jESUS) where He can acquit us. It's our natural predisposition to be sinners, it's hereditary, we are born with that in our DNA, but it's through our free will that we can choose to accept or deny that acquittal. If you broke the law and someone you don't even know stepped forward and satisfied the demands the justice system was imposing upon you, you have a choice, accept or deny. This is your position with Christ. It's not a question of goodness, or fairness, it's one of eternal justice, just as in the natural world , in God's kingdom their is a moral law and justice system and He will ultimately judge everyone based on the free will you have been given to accept His ransom or reject it.
Oh boy. First of all, you're comparing civil law to moral law, which is pretty stupid. And besides, sin and crime are different things. If I kill someone then obviously I deserve a punishment. But if I don't believe in a magic man in the sky I will burn in hell for eternity? Alex brought a good point in this video. If God is omniscient, Free WIll cannot exist as he knows everything in advance, including that I were to become an atheist. And now he wants to punish me for something he knew I would do but didn't bother to prevent it? "It's our natural predisposition to be sinners, it's hereditary, we are born with that in our DNA." Could you please stop making up bullshit? I'm not even a biologist but this made me cringe so hard. "Yeah, I kidnapped you, and I will make you suffer if you try to escape, but it's your choice if you wanna try, because I love you." - Basically, how Christians explain God's stance on sin and hell.
this argument is a false parallel. If we are discussing the claims of Christians, ie. that there is a God, a heaven and a hell, you've got to include all the claims, one of which being that this God is the standard of goodness as well. This line seems compelling because it is using a standard of morality to judge that Stalin's rule was evil and immoral (which I think we can all agree that it was). This results in injustice because people were punished for acting morally. However, if you're critiquing the claims of Christianity, you must work under the assumption that God is good, so actions against Him are bad, and injustice isn't created by punishing them (unlike the Stalin analogy).
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"If me stumbling across your video is due to some divine intervention and constitutes his best efforts to change my heart, I don't know if he's taking this very seriously" - I literally burst our laughing. Great video!
Andrew An His aim was NOT to destroy him, It was to prove his argument wrong. The Christian was so optimistic albeit slightly ignorant. You don’t have to be angry...
All of these people going "If you don't believe you're going to hell!" need to understand one thing: Since I don't believe in him I don't believe in hell, very simple, therefor it doesn't scare me.
Jay Phillips Yeah, that's kind of the point. Just believing don't mean he's real and just doubting don't mean he ain't. So, what's a good way to tell if he's real? That's where it gets complicated. Now I think, if you honestly look into it, with an open mind and you don't care who's right but you just want the truth, then you'll reach the same conclusion I reached. That there's just too much reason to doubt and not enough of a good reason to believe.
Gesam Duluse god doesnt command to love your enemy’s becouse they deserve to be loved. The command is about you letting go of your whrath becouse whrath is one of the 7 deadly sins and becouse god doesnt sin he doesnt have to worry about any of that.
@@Robertojrrodriguez so you are telling me God doesn't care about setting an example. He just commands us something either he doesn't care or incapable of doing it himself.
Gesam Duluse i was just trying to explain why god has that command, but pls dont say that god was wrong for sending lucifer to hell becouse it just sounds very dumb.
“God has done everything he possibly can, to keep you out of hell” If that were true, there wouldn’t be a Hell to go too, because if God is all powerful and the ruler of the universe, he could just not allow a Hell to exist and permit everyone into Heaven regardless of faith.
@Tom Bladecki Sounds like someones salty nobody believes in their realm of convenience. Don't agree with us? Well, you better. Don't want anything happening to that eternal soul of yours, hmm.
The only reason I believe in god is because my brain won’t accept that the Big Bang happened out of nowhere. However I don’t believe following in the Bible. That book is disgusting in my opinion.
I never understood why Christians present free will as a blessing. "You wouldn't want to be a robot, would you?" I'm pretty sure that if I were a robot, I wouldn't mind that in the slightest. As a robot, I couldn't possibly lament my lack of free will - unless deliberately programmed by a third party to feel sad about it. Also, the thing about God creating hell for the devil doesn't answer the question, "why did God create hell?" Because, after all, that just begs the question: Why did God create hell for the devil? Couldn't God just... vanish him?
Gilmaris .And is there free will in heaven? If so, you’d have to be constantly on guard and in case you slipped up and got evicted. What a fun way to spend eternity.
@Dave Rodriguez The idea of hell is a manipulation of the original Judaic/Canaanite Sheol (The place of the dead) wherein ALL went regardless of nature or rank. The incorporation of hell only became present by quite literally copying Zoroastrianism (Among other elements of Christianity down to the name of the Devil "Satan"). The idea of fire and brimstone is much more recent and contradicts the ideas of early Judaism or even the proto Christianity beyond an incorporation of Zoroaster and the Proto Catholicism. It was used as socio-political leverage to threaten with hell. IN the same vein, divine right of kings was postured the same. The King James for all it's fame is not nearly as ancient as believed (Try the 1600s when it was commissioned). The idea of Hell as it's seen is just a stolen idea from Zoroaster. If a just god did exist, he wouldn't make humanity broken. AT his best, god is genocidal, cruel, and contradicts himself. At worst, he creates us to torture us. To the point of letting his enemy ravage one of his own ardent worshippers, kill his ten children and go on. For no real reason. Only to simply REPLACE them afterwards. Not resurrect, replace. To God, we're just cogs and drones that he stacks the deck against for no reason then to burn them down to numb husks of fear and pain. God to many IS the Devil for these acts. Your god, his enemy, the entire pantheon of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, the entire lot. Are born from a need for a warlord to justify his actions to bronze age savages raiding, killing, consuming or worse. The rest is window dressing. Even Jesus Christ has been tracked down as a cult leader crucified for charlatanry through a noble patron. The same providence you justify god, is the same power as Vishnu, Kupe tangata, Quetzecuotl or the Blue Comet Kachinka. It has the same power as citing by the power of Grayskull and violently vomiting on command. Of all things, the closest we've seen of real miracles are explained later, compromising with casualty or the like. Free will is something god CONDEMNED humanity for. The fruit of the tree of knowledge gave humanity true understanding and free will. Self awareness. It is at best in the end an allegory for the ages of man. An allegory book butchered by warlords and warmongers with the key facet of "Forgiveness to be given by God alone through *Insert mechanism of denomination here*. It's the ultimate scot-free to the rest of the world, forgiveness is human, between humans and by human means to accept or choose. When we're dead, we're dead. Focus on living, not a spectral fascist that stacks the deck with razor blades and lies.
Dave Rodriguez He described has Omniscience in the Bible so he knows everything. He knows everything so he knows that humans will sin and suffer for eternity. Any creator that makes life just to make it suffer is cruel.
Why didn't he just delete Lucifer? he knows he won't redeem because he can see the future. Aaaaaaaand if Lucifer doesn't exist anymore there is no prison, which is hell.
@@kevinquiroz5384 I think the Giant Problem is a rather simple One: The 'Eternal' Part in 'Eternal Punishpotato'. Thats the Issue, aint it? And funny enough, if that part was made up by Humans and the System is just smarter than Ancient Humans could have imagined - say 'Rehabilitation', then this paints a whole new Picture. I actually always had an Issue with the 'System' in the show 'Supernatural'. Not only did H-ll have the Ability to punish you until you become a Demon and not becoming a Demon aint really a pption, but i really suspected something when i learned there was yet another Dimension; one for Monsters. And it does NOT discern your Morality, but instead literally "Monster or Not?", a Yes or No Question, which is maaaasively flawed, to say the least. And then i realized just how amazingly easy it is to become a Monster. You can literally be the greatest Saint, walk down a dark Alley, be captured and transformed by a random Vampire and then Vampire-Hunters storm in and kill you before you ever drank Blood; this would send you, despite your good life, to a terrible Dimension full of Monsters - simply because you had literally 'bad 15 Minutes'... wow... Comment gets long, but let me say this: There are actually many Possibilitys about H-ll worth exploring, for example: Future-Humans will create something like a H-ll; maybe even 'retroactive', so it always existed. Its nice to discuss!
Well, if you don't want God in this life , it makes no sense why would you want to live for eternity with Him. So He made a special place for those who reject His Son, whom when they reject Jesus , they reject God. But you don't go to hell for only rejecting God , primarily it is your sin and evil wicked heart that separates and will eternally separate you from God. You can never enter into God's Holy presence in your sin, that is why Jesus came. He came to take your sins upon Himself, to make you Holy before God. This is the only way you can be declared innocent . It astounds me that most understand there are consequences for violating any law in our universe , but want to think that there will be no consequences for your sin, violation of God's moral law and the conscience and for that sin. That day of judgement before God will be a surprise for many, but God will show you that He gave you many opportunities to repent and trust Jesus and be forgiven. But no, no , mankind typically have to be extremely defiant and rebellious . You have been warned my friend
@@zealotforhim The issue is... You go to hell for simply just REJECTING God. You can be the most righteous and charitable human on the planet, but if you merely reject God, according to the Bible, that's grounds for going to hell. That's the main issue atheists have. A Christian man and an atheist can live the exact same lives, do the exact same amazing deeds, but one goes to hell and the other doesn't. Hardly seems fair
"Accept Jesus in Your Heart." Sounds very dangerous I think. I just want to have blood and other things that should be there. Not a guy who is said to have lived 2,000 years ago. The risk of infections is imminent if you should have dead body parts in your heart.
The claim that the Christian God is omniscient does far more than negate our own free will. If Yahweh knew everything that was ever going to happen, as omnipotence suggests then he would know everything we would ever do even before we were born, which means he could not punish us for anything at all. He would create us knowing all the apparent 'sin' we would ever commit in our lives, including the sin of atheism. If he punishes us for anything then he is blaming us for his own mistakes. If the Christian God is omniscient then he knows the properties of everything he will create before he even creates it, thus causing a paradox each and every time. If Yahweh is omniscient then he could not have created Hell merely for Satan and his demons, because he would know in advance that humans would go there. If Yahweh is omniscient then not only could we not have free will, by the same argument neither could he. Everything he ever did, everything he ever created, every decision he made, would be known in advance. When it comes down to it, that means he could not have been the 'first cause' that Christians claim either. If Yahweh is not the first cause, then whatever the true first cause was (if there was one in the first place) must have created him, and if that first cause is also omniscient then we are facing a potential infinite regress. In short: the Christian claim that Yahweh is omniscient negates everything else that Christians say about him.
Jonathan Nicoll "The claim that the Christian God is omniscient does far more than negate our own free will."--- Really? "If Yahweh knew everything that was ever going to happen, as omnipotence suggests then he would know everything we would ever do even before we were born, which means he could not punish us for anything at all."--- Non-Sequitur Fallacy. You're somewhat confused: "Knowing" something doesn't = *"Causing"* or being responsible for something. An Example: a Parade winding it's way through a city. If you're on a 50 story building, you can see the lead paraders along with the end and even the assembly area; whereas, those who are viewing from the ground can only see a limited amount in their viewing area. Question: If you're on the 50 story building and a tuba player trips and knocks down 5 in front of him like dominoes...did you *CAUSE IT* OR...did you just observe it based on your position? "If the Christian God is omniscient then he knows the properties of everything he will create before he even creates it, thus causing a paradox each and every time"--- There is no "Paradox", you're confused. "If Yahweh is omniscient then he could not have created Hell merely for Satan and his demons, because he would know in advance that humans would go there." --- Non-Sequitur Fallacy. SEE "Parade" ect, above. "If Yahweh is omniscient then not only could we not have free will, by the same argument neither could he."--- Non-Sequitur Fallacy: SEE "Parade" ect, above. "If Yahweh is not the first cause"--- HE is, it's quite simple... 1. The Universe had a Beginning. 2. The Universe is made of Matter. 3. Matter is The Consequent, "A Knower" is the Necessary Antecedent. (SEE: Quantum Mechanics) 4. Ergo: Philosophical Naturalism/Realism aka: atheism is PUMMELED. 5. Therefore: *"A CREATOR".* "(if there was one in the first place)"--- "IF"?? (See: 12345) just above. "...must have created him, and if that first cause is also omniscient then we are facing a potential infinite regress."--- Ahhh... "YOU" just proposed (Caused) the Infinite Regress...it's Fallacious. He is the CREATOR. The "CREATOR" can't be "created" or else, HE couldn't be the *"CREATOR"* , by simple definition. Furthermore Logically...for finite things to exist (Universe, Us), there *MUST BE* an Eternal "Always Was" Source; it's a Contingent Necessity (Antecedent) FACT. SEE: Aristotle (Prime/Unmoved Mover, First Cause). To deny this, you are forced into a logical checkmate then reduced to introducing an *Infinite Regress Fallacy* (Like you just did)...it's Fallacious. Nothing can CREATE itself.... because that would mean: It Pre-Existed Prior to it's Existence !! *Logical Seppuku.* Also, there can be ONLY ONE "CREATOR"...considering more than one, even for a Planck Time, is *Logical Seppuku.* ps. As for the Philosophical Naturalist/Realist (atheist), they 'believe' that the Universe Created them... OK, Who Created *"YOUR"* Creator --- (The Universe) ?? "In short: the Christian claim that Yahweh is omniscient negates everything else that Christians say about him."--- Factually Incorrect, Non-Sequitur Fallacy (See Above). regards
Quantum Eraser you say he's confused because you think he conflates knowing with causing, but if God is the creator as you say he is, then he is also the cause of everything that happens, therefore his omniscience cancels out free will. You propose yourself that a "knower" is the necessary antecedent, (how could this be the case? How can you know of something temporally prior to its existence?) and then say that he is the first cause and the creator of the universe while denying he is the cause of all that happens in the universe. This to me seems like more of a non sequitur.
Mad-eye Max "if God is the creator as you say he is, then he is also the cause of everything that happens therefore his omniscience cancels out free will."--- Factually Incorrect: Knowing is NOT *"Causing"* (See Parade ect). And when I say Causing... in this context, I'm speaking to Causing "Volition". We're not Automatons. "a "knower" is the necessary antecedent, (how could this be the case?"--- Not "how" but *"IS"* ... "The presence of *PATH INFORMATION* anywhere in the universe is sufficient to prohibit any possibility of interference. It is irrelevant whether a future observer might decide to acquire it. The mere possibility is enough." Xiao-song Ma et al. (2013): Quantum erasure with causally disconnected choice. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 110, pp. 1221-1226. www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3557028/ [THEREFORE, The LACK of *'which-path' Information* anywhere in the Universe is sufficient enough to prohibit any possibility of Wave Function Collapse. i.e. Formation of Matter ] "How can you know of something temporally prior to its existence?"--- Say Again?? "then say that he is the first cause and the creator of the universe while denying he is the cause of all that happens in the universe." --- Simple (again)...Knowing is NOT *"Causing"* Volition. (See Parade ect) "This to me seems like more of a non sequitur."--- It's not, you're merely conflating Knowing and Causing. regards
Yeah, sure! It's true, knowing something does not mean it's the cause! If "a god" actualized a world specifically for reasoning conscious free will agents then this world in which those reasoning conscious free will exist in and interact with may be the only logical world that can be actualized in which reasoning conscious free will agents can exist. Therefor, a creater "god" who chooses to actualize such a world does so with the primary motivation being that reasoning conscious free will agents exist. While such "a god" knows what will happen, it's the existence of reasoning conscious free will agents which are the cause of what happens. Also, just because God knows what will happen, you don't. Sort of consistent with His intent wouldn't you say?
Quantum Eraser "Knowing is not causing" so when you said he was the creator of the universe, you were just speaking absolute nonsense then? Creating sounds like causing to me.
No, you have a choice of beautiful eternal life or death. Never does the Bible give a choice "You are going to live forever, so you chose where" It gives a choice of life or death. Which is exactly why Romans 6:23 states: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is everlasting life. Or perhaps the most quoted verse of all time, John 3:16, some seem to completely brush passed the obvious difference of life vs death. John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Well, if you're consciously burning forever, you aren't dead. The world hell is from the Greek word "Hades" which dragged the mythological garbage of a underworld with it. There are confusing verses, such as parables or verses that seem contradictory. But as Malachi 4:1 clearly states: "Surely the day is coming, it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoers will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire" says the Lord almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. BUT (in contrast to) for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well fed calves. Then you will trample the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I act." says the Lord almighty. I can't cover all of the verses, so here's a great video on it: ruclips.net/video/rvkgRy2KIdg/видео.html But please just consider the true loving God of the Bible
You just called God a maniac. How is it torture that he does not force you to be near him for all eternity? If you don't like God, why the heck would you want to be near him?
@@johngalt6627 You realize, don't you, that the book doesn't say you just won't be near him. It says you'll be burning forever. I know a lot of modern Christians like to pretend it doesn't, but it really does.
There is already. You will see in the future that our Christian "religion" will be gone in the future. I guess you will have fun sinning while that happens.
Except Stalin was real and people had legitimate fear of being killed. I can't accept something i have no evidence for and if your god doesn't provide me the evidence i need at minimum to believe so i can choose to reject or not is the fault of your god. Heck even if one was to believe Lucifer existed too, that creature at least had direct evidence for the thing he rejected. So any argument a believer puts forth that God can't give me what i need to believe because it would impact free will is 100% bullshit.
Dillahunty used this - I think it works well: Did your God create hell? Does your God create the rules of the universe including the criteria by which souls are judged? Is there anything that happens that doesn’t go according to God’s will? If you honestly answered ‘yes’ to the above…. Then your God is ultimately responsible for everything including the people who he sends to hell.
Dats the thing we are flawed and that's why we have murderes etc or just billions of ppl with different beliefs and ideas who would choose not to love a being like god simply just because they don't understand him or for many other reasons.humans being flawed is also the reason why some of us can't comprehend god and his actions
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@Saket Sharma One day you are going to face your creator on judment day.On the great white throne room.Your book will be open every lie, everytime you said his name in vain (Jesus , God) every lustful look at a woman/man you have not married etc will be written but before being tossed eternally in hell He is going to ask you what did you do with my son..You see God's laws are impossible to follow on our own will..but Jesus Christ was betrayed, beaten and finally he was killed (sacrificed by God) to pay for your sins like a fine instead of jail time . If you humble yourself for once pray repent of all your sins and trust believe Jesus did that for you. You will be saved from being tossed in hell on that day instead the holy spirit will come into you..change your heart of stone into that of flesh❤ that would mystically love righteousness and fully love God and have eternal life in heaven...this might be the last time you read the gospel..Jesus is coming back sooon not as the sacrificed lamb of God🐑 like the last time..but as Judge of the whole world..The King of kings🤴 with fire in his eyes🔥🔥. Think about that day..What did you do with his son? Jesus loves you❤
@@keyboardevangelist No, that is never going to happen. One day I will die and then be put into the ground to rot forever without any idea that I'm dead
@@generichuman2044 why do you think the universe is so fine knife edge tuned for life that the dark energy required for the acceration for expansion of the universe is 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000138. Sorry i left out some zeros there😅. That if it decreased or exceeded this number the universe couldn't have form?. Why is the golden ratio found in many things in nature? It is obviously intelligently designed. Why do you think the ability to focus of your brain can alter the physical attributes of your brain (neuralplasicity) if consciousness just arises from the brain? The mind is irreducible. Why does your mind(consciousness) have the ability to collapse the quantum wave functions of electrons when you observe them? The mind over matter idea.. consciousness is like a operating software in a hardware computer.. and first of all softwares need programmers. Do you know who claims to be that? Jeremiah 1:5 before i made you in your mother's womb i knew you i set you apart..have ever seen a program that just got coded on its own without any intelligence behind it? And yet The human DNA is said to have more than 3.1 billion bits of information and you just think somehow protein molecules just decided to form complex DNA structures to form the first microorganism without any intelligence behind it. You know currently physicists are saying that spacetime is emergent from 2-D information plane. That it might be just a holographic simulation. So then if it is a simulation then who made the simulation. John 1. In the beginning there was the "word". And the word was God and everything in existence was through him and for him. And the word became flesh to dwell amoung men. The word is Jesus christ and he is coming soooon to take what is his and to judge all of mankind in history. So once again like i said atheists are Trapped in plato's allegory of the cave. We , born again Christians is hard for us to explain to you how sunlight feel like if you need seen the sunlight. God is someone you experience. God wants you to take that step on your own. A leap of faith. Jesus said seek and you will find. The spiritual realm is real. And i have a hint that it can be scientifically proven now. Why do you think that we can only observe and measure the 4 dimensions of spacetime while quantum physics and advanced geometry have proven that more 8 dimensions of spacetime exist. The spiritual beings (demons,angels,the holy spirit) move through those extra dimensions we can't normally observe.. so yeah😅. I need much more blind faith to believe the religion of extraordinary accidents and conciedence called atheism.
"God has done everything he possibly can to keep you out of hell" - oh really, what about the isolated Amazonia tribes that have no understanding of 'your' god. According to the book, they will be sent to hell for not believing in something they know nothing about. Great logic, cheers.
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According to the bible, they should be able to look at nature's beauty and thus realise that there must be a God. Though how they're supposed to figure out that God is the christian God, and that they must follow laws and doctrine they've never heard of, I have no idea.
@@YokaiX It's also all myths to every other believer… except those who believe that specific myth. And given that every believer has a subtly different set of beliefs from every other believer, what that amounts to is that every believer considers every belief set but his own personal one to be myth. The logical conclusion is that they *all* are myths.
It's sad too though because many people who do believe in them were indoctrinated as children. I am an ex-Christian atheist and back when I was a child I fervently believed in Hell, much more than Heaven, and I would cry and cry with worry that I was going there. That fear became even more palpable and terrifying when I became a teenager and realized I am gay (I wasn't in one of the liberal sects of Christianity so being gay there was treated as worse than murder in some ways). So, I get that it can be funny and so strange to people who weren't raised in a religion but it certainly isn't funny when you are in it because you literally believe it.
After watching a number of your videos over the last few weeks, I must say I'm genuinely in awe of how incredibly articulate you are and how astonishingly powerful your arguments are, yet always respectful and composed which, as you once pointed out, is undoubtedly the best possible way to convey and idea and convince others. I regret however that this doesn't get more attention seeing as promoting knowledge and reason is probably our best bet for survival as a species, especially in a society/societies where moral and intellectual mediocrity seem to be a standard. Well done for fighting off in such a compelling manner the "enemies of reason".
Owly 12: "Jesus is so compassionate that he doesn't lift a finger to stop an adulterer being stoned to death" MK: You are entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.” John 8:1-11, "Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in ADULTERY, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be STONED: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." Apparently it was JESUS who saved her from being stoned, didn't He?
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21] If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14] Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7] Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20] Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24] If someone severs their spinal cord in an accident, that person is paralyzed for life. No amount of prayer is going to help. If someone is born with a congenital defect like a cleft palate, God will not repair it through prayer. Surgery is the only option. A genetic disease like Down Syndrome is the same way -- no amount of prayer is going to fix the problem. If someone is an amputee, or double amputee, they’re screwed as well. 27,000 children die every day for preventable reasons like malnutrition and unsafe drinking water. If Jesus answers prayers as he promises in the Bible, then why haven't the prayers of billions of people to end world hunger caused Jesus to solve the problem of global poverty? Or people with HIV/AIDS, Ebola... 20 people have cancer All of them have read James 5:15, so all of them pray. 19 of them die The one who lives proclaims, "I prayed to the Lord and the Lord answered my prayers! My disease is cured! It is a miracle! I KNEW God would answer my prayers!" You never hear about the 19 who died. No one ever writes about that in a magazine. "Person prays, then dies" is not a great headline. And since they are dead, you will never hear from any of the people who had a deadly experience with prayer. Therefore, if you don't look at all the facts around the "answered prayer," and you only hear about the one out of twenty prayers that succeed, it appears that prayer is successful. The research ("Study of the Therapeutic Effects of intercessory Prayer 'STEP' in cardiac bypass patients," published in the American Heart Journal) was conducted over nearly a decade and led by Dr. Herbert Benson. It included almost 2,000 cardiac surgery patients who were randomly assigned to one of three groups. One group was prayed for after being told they may or may not be prayed for; the second group was not prayed for after being told the same thing; and the third was prayed for after being told they definitely would be prayed for. The results: the group that was prayed for did no better than the group that wasn't prayed for. Prayer had no beneficial effect on recovery time, death rate, or other factors. (In fact, if anything, the results suggested that prayer may be harmful: The third group of patients actually fared slightly worse than the other two groups.) Tl;Dr prayer doesn’t work
Stalin: Yo, man, you wanna follow this thing called socialism? Soviet citizen: Nah, man, thanks. Stalin: Ok. *Sends him to gulag* God: Yo, man, wanna follow this thing called christianity? Person: Nah, man. God: Ok. *Sends him to hell*
Mr. Mathas first stalin was communist not socialist. second stalin was a dictator, people disappeared for any slight that offended the dictator. stalin had nothing to do with socialism. don't spread ignorance.
@@steveswangler6373 Woah, my dude. Its just a joke. If people really wanna know about Stalin and the communist moviment, they'd research it, not take their knowledge of it out of a youtube comment joke.
@@steveswangler6373 The communists were a form of socialist. In fact they often called themselves socialists trying to build communism. Stalin's own slogan was socialism in one country. In order to save you from ignorance, let me tell you that socialism was meant to be a transitional state leading to communism. Socialism has failed. Don't try and sell the pathetic fantasy that it's never been tried. It's been tried many times from Lenin to Jeremy Corbyn. It leads to stagnation, rejection or, most likely,Stalinism.
@@fatdan5726 Actually the soviet party was a blanquist movement. No standards and premises of marxist theory had been met and mandatory requirements were ignored. The only thing soviet socialism and socialism had in common was a basically stolen word - when the worker councils were purged right at the beginning, the soviet union no longer met the very definition of socialism. I'm no proponent of socialism or communism, but to think the soviet union represented one or the other means to buy in the soviet propaganda.
Love your dry style, clarity of mind and rationality, young man! Just remember, when pointing out the bible's contradictions, that the 'love' shown towards us poor serfs also includes condoned beatings, rape, servitude, lashings...plus a whole host of other inhumane horrors. If only we could rid ourselves of imbecilic religion and free the tortured, enslaved mind. That day can't come soon enough for those that seek freedom from emotional blackmail and instilled, needless fear.
I'm wondering why you care if people believe in God. Why do you feel you must take it upon yourself to convince people of your beliefs? I know fairies aren't real but I'd be crazy to waste my life trying to convince people that fairies aren't real. Atheist's obsession with proselytizing their belief in a non-existent God is lunacy. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die, right?
A good question mkmason, except for one thing: The reason so many atheists try to convince theists is because theists push their religion into things where religion shouldn't be pushed into, like government or education. Why in most countries sex ed is either non-existent or ridiculously stupid? Because sex is embarassing, shameful. It's better to not educate our children and make them commit mistakes with often very dire consequences. Or government, instead of creating laws that help people as a whole, they try to push laws that conform to their religion, like gay marriage being illegal.
Watching the both of you talk, it comes across as you being all calm and collected and the other guy looks like he's on speed throwing his arms around like a mad man over gesturing everything...its quite comical.
Kris Fox yeah, since atheists are a religious minority, we have to behave in a more peaceful way to be understood than other religions have to (because many theists consider atheism a religion). if all atheists were tj kirk nobody would want to be an atheist
Kris Fox Yo be fair, the other guy behaving like that is most likely just adapting to how youtube videos are being produced and edited. The fast paced, spasmic nature of online content just seems to be in vogue. I doubt that is how he behaves in normal life.
Who can love a dude who SENDS you to hell--if you don't love him back??? How would my wife feel if told her, If you don't love me back, I'll torture you forever!!! I don't believe she would love me after MY THREATS!!!
KTB: "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." ~ Captain Jean-Luc Picard MK: This is another great example of the intellectual level of your atheist audience, quoting a fictional character from a fictional movie about a fictional universe! Wake up man.
... Christians have a whole book of fictional events and mostly fictional characters that they quote all the time to prove their religion and you call him out? The hypocrisy is real.
I have read most of the Bible, since we have mandatory religion lessons in my country. How about you? Have you ever read another faith's holy book to claim your faith is the true one or are you speaking from ignorance?
Girlfriend: "do you think this dress make me look fat?" (Actually looks fat) [Option 1] Me: "no (white lie)" -just sined to make girlfriend happy, condemned to hell for eternity. [Option 2] Me: "yes" -condemned to the couch for eternity.
Maybe I'll see you in Heaven, but I doubt you would want to enjoy your eternity....if you end up in hell try not to make it more miserable than it already is...Place where there is no light except the flickering flames in the darkness, toxic fumes to breath, naked, always hot, every foul creature and maybe even mans worst imaginations come to life, not to mention ancient demons from long ago who are filled with hatred...maybe one dies everyday only to be reborn to die again the next day. No friends. No conversations. Unimaginable loneliness and severe depression. The Kingdom can be seen way off in the distance shining as a star but you can never get there. All the regrets and prideful rejections of the Son of God are a constant plague on your brain that you were too foolish to admit your need for a Savior. You blew it for all eternity. You blew it...no one else is to blame. God gave you ample time and many opportunities but you squandered it all. Jesus said of Judas, "It would have been better if he were never born." Jesus also said, "What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and yet forfeits his very soul in hell?" Basically you've placed your bet on hell and purposely avoided Heaven. You CHOSE the smelly garbage dump over beauty unimaginable. Theres no logic in that. SIN is very blinding.
@@jasonstrange1490 Wow, your post was as scary as being told Santa won't bring me any presents if I am naughty. What if you find out you cannot enter Valhalla because you didn't die in battle? There's as much evidence for that outcome as there is for the hell you described.
Surely not the Christian one because it doesn't exist even in the Bible. Gehenna, the supposed hell, is just a valley near Jerusalem where dead corpses were laid to burn. The fire was perpetual so that is the "eternal fire of Gehenna" Jesus condemns his enemies to. He is saying that his enemies are going to be slaughtered and abandoned there
@@konyvnyelv. So when the Bible says Jesus is the Lamb of God does that mean he's a literal lamb? That's why it's good to know Hermeneutics and use it according to the rules. Jesus is clearly speaking in hyperbolic language and not saying hell is the dump outside Jerusalem but that hell is LIKE that. Jesus used word pictures to paint vivid imagery to point to the reality of such a place. Word pictures that our little minds could understand.
Is it just me or is it so strange to see an adult who believes so fervently in God? Like believing in a god was something I did as a child, just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and so on. I became agnostic in my early teens without even realizing it. I started questioning god and all these belief systems. Seeing people this age still defending such an ideology to such a degree is sooo strange. It's almost like that part of them never grew up. Is it just me?
Oh yes I am inferior because I don't have imaginary friends x'D... okay. Also you do realise that it was because of genetic mutations that we got here. Does this mean you consider yourself inferior to say homo erectus or even some form of ancient bacteria that used to be our ancestor?
Zvonimir Tomac I feel bad for the poor people who die never knowing the simplest comforts in life who are targeted by religions that offer nothing but the false hope of a better hereafter
Honestly the very concept of hell is just ridiculous and unimaginable to me. We’ve all accidentally burnt our fingers on a stove or whatever, now imagine that pain times a million. The very concept of your flesh fucking boiling while you’re conscious is just bloody gruesome, and I can’t even imagine it, how could anyone wish that upon anyone?
Because they're sick lunatics brainwashed by religion, that's how. Anyone who believed in such a treatment of humans outside of religious context would be taken for psychiatric evaluation.
Have you ever thought what if I'm wrong, what will your excuse be?? Because your very words condemn you as you can't claim you didn't know above the love of Jesus and the consequences of not repenting!!!!
"God dose everything to keep you out of hell" oh did i miss the part where he prooves he is real? And if we are made in his image then why arnt i invisible?
@fynes leigh Yes. Really. It's not a "chapter and verse" thing, it's a doctrine thing. UNBELIEF is the "only sin" that is not forgiven. Believers are said to love "god". One doesn't love something they don't believe in, therefore if you don't love "god" he/she/it will hurt you (in hell). Now, I don't believe this, I'm just pointing out what I perceive the "good news" seems to be saying. The second statement is an unintelligible word salad, with no dressing.
@fynes leigh When a person is "saved", do they profess to "love god, Jesus, or what ever you want to refer to as the Savior"? The commandments can be 'boiled down" to "love god completely". Luke 10:27, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" Mark 16:16b "...but he that believeth not shall be damned.” Therefore, believers are "saved", presumable they "love the 'deity figure', and if they don't, they are condemned/sent to hell. In other words, "love me or I will hurt you." Like I said earlier, it's not really a passage look-up thing, it's a doctrine thing. It's a concept gleaned from all my years as a believer. A person claims to repent and love "god" and gets "saved", or they don't love or believe in "god" and according to the doctrine, they get dammed (That's why I say 'love me or I will hurt you') Don't be moving the goal posts.
Gosh, I love how you sum it up. My dad was an atheist. My mom, just said she had no idea what or if God exists. My mom I am sure thought like me, that the universe is so beyond our comprehension and, at times, things happen which seem beyond coincidence. Like, for instance, when a child my mother's friend had a fight with her mom so she snuck out before dawn and went to my already unconscious mother's window and began knocking. Apparently the gas fridge was pouring gas into the house. One member, her father, heard the knocks and awoke. My mom, her sister, and small brother were already unconscious. Had her friend not had that fight and decided to go to her home they'd all have been gone. It was my mother's way of answering my eight year old question, is there a God. Now, I cannot believe there is a physical entity called God that actually looks like us. That is the height or arrogance. But it was her way of saying events take place that one wonders. She left it for me to surmise. I know on her death bed, when asked, she espoused being a Christian. But when asked if she'd like a clergy to talk with she answered, NO! I think it was a disingenuous " better just be safe and just in case" answer. Basically fear. But isn't all interpretations of being human and sinful, basically having a conscience, used to scare us that we must believe or else? Look, I cannot believe, as a retired nurse and witnessing amazing things near death, plus loving my children and others beyond description, that we are here just as a hoax. That when we no longer breath it's over. Have no idea what exists but cannot fathom that's it. But certainly this whole burning in Hell for eternity seems so manmade and all about control. I think many get caught up in fellowship, and are captivated each Sunday or whenever they go, that it feels so wonderful they are duped and feel they are part of a big family. They feel connected to being human. I sense science's energy cannot be created or destroyed theory takes meaning upon death, in some way. Who knows. AND my biggest fear is how many are trying to end our separation of church and state!! Fear is a wonderful tool for control, huh?
Nothing that this religious nut job said throughout the entire video conveyed in any way that he was an intelligent thinking man. It showed that he was a God loving sheep in a flock of many sheep.
"God has done absolutely everything to keep you out of hell!" Literally 3 seconds later... "He gave you free will so he can't just mind control you" So he didn't actually 'do everything' did he? Doing everything would mean refusing us free will and turning us into mindless slaves, or abolishing sin and making it impossible to go to hell. I still don't understand how a loving god is capable of just sitting in heaven, watching humanity and disapproving of everything we do yet at the same time get on his high horse and judge us for something HE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN! Good lord, Christianity, please see the fallacies!
He does not allow it. Satan rules this world and God gave everybody free will. The moment mankind sinned it gave Satan full right to own the Earth. God has to work with you individually. The moment we sin we give Satan rights to own us. That is why it's difficult.
I used to be a Christian and after research and thinking for myself, I came to the conclusion that there is no god. But my years of conditioning to believe that those who don’t believe in god go to hell stuck with me. I cried myself to sleep every for an entire year thinking about the littoral eternal pain I was destined for and no matter how hard I tried I couldn’t accept Jesus in my heart again because I simply didn’t believe because all evidence pointed against it. But every time I reminded myself of this my programming would excuse it as the devils temptation pulling me even closer to hell. It was a nightmare. And it didn’t help that the only therapist that my parents would allow me to see was a christian based one who only reinforced my fear and pain by telling me I only had to open my heart. And the more I did, the more it broke. And the more I cried every single night out of paragliding fear of hell. It took me a year to finally escape that mind trap and it still creeps back to this day
To be honest though your voice is great and actually makes me want to watch more of your videos, it's smart but not in an "I'm smarter and thus better than you" kind of way.
to be honest i still can see a tiny bit of feeling superior on his face, dont get me wrong, it is almost impossible to not have if you have an opinion.
Türk Türkisch self-assuredness should not be confused with superiority. The first comes with having done your homework and knowing your position is sound. The other stems from a need to delude yourself and belittle others. A compensatory measure.
There's a little detail at roughly 6:15 that I thought was interesting and worth pointing out. God designed Hell. Rather, that's what their storybook claims, and I think that's an important distinction that I never noticed before. The devil didn't design Hell, he just lives there. If God is all loving and all good, why the hell would he go about designing a fiery pit of eternal torment for his creation?? Why would he even create the option to go there in the first place?? Why couldn't God have designed an afterlife for his creation that had only a single option?? Why aren't more Christians bothered by this and questioning it?!? Sure, I've heard that Hell exists for the purpose of divine justice, but that just creates more problems. Is God supposed to be merciful or just? Because he can't be both, especially if an existence in Hell is to be eternal. Edit: I also hate that term "Accept Jesus into your heart," and all that other gushy jargon-y Christian nonsense. I have relatives from the mid-west and southern US, as well as Texas, so trust me when I say I've heard a lot of it. I always joke that the Lord is having a hard time getting in there thanks to all the plaque build-up from McDonald's french fries. No one I've said this to finds it amusing.
The sentence says that the place is for devil and his angels. Well we are neither devil nor the angels of devil but humans, then why hell should be related with humans in any way.
I've heard multiple times people answering that with "He didn't create it for humans, he did it for Satan to live there. When you "choose" the devil, you go with him". It's a cop-out, I know, but I think that's the average christian response to that question.
When Moses destroyed Egypt each of the plagues was a direct assault against the false Egyptian gods. So they are NOT way cooler than the God of the Bible. God showed his supremacy over dumb imaginations of sinful men. These false deities were impotent and weak and foolish. The apostle Paul in the New Testament said that behind every idol or false god sits a demon. If you don't believe on Jesus as Lord and Savior chances are you have some sort of demonic influence already upon you which prevents you from clearly seeing Jesus and believing the Gospel. A demonic blinding. Read the New Testament see how Jesus deals with it and see how the Apostles unpack it....its really clear.
I think you have got one thing wrong. You said “no crime is fitting of such a fate” but if looking to Exodus 21:24 “for guidance” doesn’t god and only god deserve eternal torture. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, eternal torture for eternal torture.
Thanks for your work Alex. Even the the most benign versions of Christianity I'm aware of have one thing in common: the demonstration of what an abusive relationship is like and why it is so difficult to help those on the receiving end to leave them.
I have this analogy: Imagine that you knew for sure the results of the next lottery draw and you're buying a ticket. What would be the reason to not choose the winning numbers? And if you don't, you already know that it's a losing ticket, so why bother buying anyway? That's how I see omniscience. If God already knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, why did he bothered to make them in the first place? It's like you said: "God know exactly what would take to convince me". If there's no such evidence, God doesn't really want to be believed.
Why would God create a people with potential to sin and fall into rebellion?.......many forget they had the potential to obey as well and if they did , they would live forever with God.But their sin, separated them from God, and they begin to psychically die, not becasue He didnt love them, but becasue of the laws that were present, you sin you shall be cursed and die, spiritually and physically, but more importantly, it was His Holy righteous and just nature, which most atheist have no concept of...so they bring him down to their level and try to degrade, inflect their anger and frustration upon hIm becasue of their ignorance of Him and so they try to define, refute, dissect Him.....assaulting his character and mocking His person ..lol. news flash...He wins in the end, against all His enemies!!! God created us with freedom to chose , freedom to obey, freedom to reciprocate to him, all He feels towards us. We were created for his pleasure and desire for relationship, fellowship, unity, love, intimacy, a people made in his image, for good works but with the free will to chose or to chose to rebel. But He made provision to redeem and save even those of us who would turn away and reject him. You raise a kid or become a leader in any facet of life you will soon see, even good people, with good intentions , given free will, will hurt you, lie to you, steal from you, rob and even kill you, some even do it to their own family. Where free will exists, the urge to covet, be selfish, greedy, lustful and ultimately end up serving your own insatiable and uncontrollable appetites ever increases. You don't have to go far to find an example of what God did, just study Children for awahile. We are like children given free will with a desire for more and when we don't get our way, we will do what kids do against their parents or anyone who stands in their way....it's no different with God and He will not force His way upon you, but has made a way
"it was His Holy righteous and just nature, which most atheist have no concept of" Oh yeah. because a being that destroyed all the life on the planet except for a couple of his yes-men is righteous and of just nature. You are forgetting a lot of atheists were raised in Christian households and read quite a lot of Bible. "He wins in the end, against all His enemies!!!" - He's omnipotent, yet Satan apparently still exists. Can't God just poof him out of existence? Just think of all those poor people, nobody would be there to tempt them into sin anymore. "God created us with freedom to chose , freedom to obey, freedom to reciprocate to him, all He feels towards us." Yeah, because if you have two paths to choose from but if you choose the wrong one you will be shot. This is the "free will" you speak of. "He will not force His way upon you" yeah, because eternal hellfire is not "force".
Rob Henry So is there free will in heaven. If so, according to you “the urge to covet, be selfish, greedy, lustful.......” will also exist in heaven. The inhabitants will therefore have to be permanently on guard lest they slip up and are evicted. What a fun way to spend eternity
Bring back the CrOoKeD dReSSeR ! Make it an image on your merch, with a tag-line along the lines of, 'Only god can make a Tree...but only Man can make a mess of it.' or 'Proof of a Grand designer !'
I truly feel sorry for that guy. Imagine the fear he must live with. Constantly worried he will be damned to hell for some sin he may commit. It must be horrible to be religous out of fear.
I know, it's really damned crazy nonsense. As somebody formerly of their persuasion... They try to explain around it by stating that "death" in this instance is not biological death as one would reasonably assume, but instead some sort of "second death" by which a person would be irrevocably separated from God (Rev 2:11 and Rev 20:14). Of course, as always, there are many problems with this supposed "explanation". One I like to point out is as follows: if our actions or lack thereof determine this "second death", then isn't it just a single death with a different outcome, as at that point it is predetermined? Another is that if this "second death" is what was referenced here, why call it simply "death"? If this book is supposed to be written through divine influence on humanity by God, what they call "inspiration"... why are there discrepancies like these, and why do humans have to go to such lengths to "fix" or explain these things? An omnipotent and omniscient being would, should and ought to make sure that such imperfections never occur in the first place.
It's the same thing... it's all actually very simply explained in the bible. I recommend you read it front to back and it may make more sence then you think :) jimmy
As I said before: "...formerly of... persuasion...". I have read the whole thing at least twice through in each of the three most popular versions. I've cross-referenced many texts in the book since then... The only way it just "makes sense" is after some person or another makes the connections through assumptions and a lot of explaining. It doesn't even matter which version is read from. KJV, NKJV, NIV... All of the same vagaries and inconsistencies. I don't understand how anyone could possibly see perfection and divine inspiration in a book so riddled with human levels of naturally flawed writing. It's utter foolhardy madness.
Aaron Morris hey! ah, you see my friend, here is the interesting part. one person can read the bible and it will change their lives while other read it and say it's stupid and fake. did you know it's not just a book with pages and ink? did you know there is power of god behind the words? ask. ask God to open himself through the word and in your life. there have been many atheist maybe much stronger then you who god has changed.
2:02 Giving someone free will actually increases the likelihood of them going to hell, because they now have the freedom to sin. Also, He'd be doing even more to keep us out of hell if he actually showed Himself or in another way proved that he really exists as described in some holy book.
Abubakir Effendi yep. Religion is basically creating a population of brain dead idiots who can't think for themselves. Aka zombies. They are actually past that point already though. Zombies are much more intelligent than creationists.
Dolo Kabes of course everything didn’t come from nothing...in the bible it says that there was nothing, but that’s irrelevant to my point because I don’t believe in the Christian god...there were gases, and particles, that reacted with each other..
Saying that God doesn't send you to Hell, you send yourself there, is like if I threatened someone to get money, they didn't give it to me, and I shot them, and then said "I didn't kill him, he killed himself."
You make some good points and might I add, if God really didn't want us to sin, why make it a desire within us? God supposedly designed us thus must have intentionally added the capacity to want to sin.
abbie,the angels have no desire for sin,but God keep desire of sin and good as well ,and that is the whole test ,for angel there is no test thats wy they can,t sin,and thats wy the whole logic is that even if we have the desire of sins and we still control us then God will put us in the eternal heaven.i think you got my point,if there were no desire for a sin then we would also be angels ,and then where is the test,angels were there before the creation of adam,and they were like robots ,they day night worship God and they were not design to do sin,and thats wy God decided to create something which is different from angels ,thats wy he create humans ,and keep inside them good and evil both and if still some human do his worship and not do sin ,he will in eternal heaven.
More response videos? What's your favourite style of content?
This type of video
These are really fun to watch😁
CosmicSkeptic response videooooos
I like 'em all...but I do rather enjoy the sarcastic condemnation of the response videos. :) Would love to see Bible Studies with Atheist Al make a comback though!
don't care, really enjoy all your content. Thanks for all the great work you do
I don't beat my wife. She beats herself by not following the instructions that I CLEARLY laid out for her to obey.
Fred Funk LOL, classic.
I didn’t severely punish her whole family because she got scammed by a literal angel who most people would trust. She forced me to do that.
Fred Funk what do you tell a woman with two black eyes?
Nothing, you’ve already told her twice.
Nonononono officer. I didn't rape those children. They just didn't accept my love. So really, they raped themselves. I then burnt them justly as they didn't scream loud enough
Thank you ☺️ for showing the ugly truth 👍
"God has done everything he possibly can, to keep you out of hell!"
Well, for an omnipotent being, the results are rather... dissapointing...
Midnight he's an underachiever
Iloveapplefritters "Jahwe... I can't let you repeat this year again... D- !"
+Iloveapplefritters Maybe he's just a little "kid" playing with mud and throwing stuff in it in a playground. Can't blame kids for genocide, and stuff!
ed smith you speak about god as though you have met him and know what or how he thinks. So did you meet him in a real sense, in the same way that you might meet a friend for a beer? In a physical way that could be recorded on a camera, or on some audio recording? Perhaps he was caught in security footage at Starbucks? Perhaps someone else was in the room at the same time and witnessed you meeting or "knowing" god.
The answer is of course no you didn't, you only know god because of some vague fuzzy feeling you experienced internally, that nobody could measure, record or objectively measure. Because he does not objectively exist - like Bigfoot, the Loch Ness Monster or the tooth fairy.
ed smith , but humanity crucifying Jesus/ himself was the plan thou , lol .So what now ?
You have a "personal relationship with god " well in that case I support your homosexuality with god 😁😁👌 , while you and god will be doing that , I'll be busy / have a "personal relationship" with Aphrodite / Venus , Ishtar , Innana , Hera , Isis and Gaia .
Everyone : They're not real either Khan .
Me : Jerks .
I can only think of one crime that comes close to deserving the punishment of eternal hellfire. That is, the crime of torturing millions of people with eternal hellfire.
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Damn.
Nicely said! Well done!
What a great way to word it :)
Matthew Shute Like, I wouldn't really lose sleep over pedophiles and Nazis facing eternal hellfire, but even in their case _eternity_ seems a bit overkill. After a couple centuries or millenias they should at least get the chance for parole or something.
“God loves you so much, he even created a hell just Incase you don’t love him back”
Its so ridiculous i dont know how people have done the mental gymnastics necessary to make this sounds loving. Its like saying that if a girl i love doesnt love me back then she deserves a life full of misery and free of any love from anyone else.
I want to believe in God, the after life and eternal bliss in heaven. I'm not stupid. I expect to be eaten by crawly creatures, six feet under, never to return. To me, the God premis falls short, not just for lack of proof. I listen to people of faith and what I have to believe to be accepted in heaven, is morally impossible for me, I think I'm the better human being for not believing it
Yes. Just like the FBI. Obey my rules or spend the rest of your life in prison:)
Hell is eternal separation from God. God loves but is also just. Think of a heaven like a place God lives, a house. Think of hell like the street outside where that house is parked, ( maybe it’s a motor-home ).. who knows.. now.. when you die, knock on the door of the motor-home and ask to come inside. If you never attempted to have a relationship with the owner of that motor-home, do you think he would let you inside to live with him...for all eternity? Apply that same equation to your life now.. go ask someone on the other side of the town you live in if you can come and move in with them.. what do you think they’re gonna say? My thought is “ get the HELL out of here”. You should re-examine your interpretations of Gods word. Or maybe develop your own opinion rather than repeat George Carlin or another prominent A-Theist. It is comical how much time Atheists spend on proving God doesn’t exist. It’s a full time job. I wonder if so much time is also put into proving Santa doesn’t exist or the tooth fairy. The proof God exists can be found in Newton’s third law as and if it applies to everything. Why do so many spend so much time proving God doesn’t exist? It’s the other end of the equation trying to balance itself out. We have day because we have night, without the day we wouldn’t have the night. We would just have. Everything you see that governs the earth and world as you know it , is first brought about in dimensions you cannot see , taste or touch. We live in the third dimension. Trying to understand something that resides outside the dimension in which we live is impossible. This is why it takes faith. Once you exercise your faith, you don’t need visible proof because you start to understand and see with your heart and mind or ( third eye - if you’re one of those types of spiritually practicing peeps ). But again, the fact that so many atheists exist proves nothing, it is the actions of those that are that prove God’s existence. Every in depth video, article, meeting, debate, joke, comment... it all proves God is real. Who would dedicate that much collective time to proving something they don’t believe in or even think exists ? I don’t believe in the boogey man but I don’t write books and enter debates about it. But even if Alex and others could flip this point around on itself and I know Alex would ( really intelligent young man that I respect immensely ), to what end ? What do you get out of eliminating the Christian God? Has anyone ever asked this or answered it? Let’s say everyone stopped believing and practicing their faith... what then? Why is that so important? If people have faith in God and it makes them what they believe to be better and kinder to others and more caring... why destroy that for them? Why tear it down? My daughter is 5 years old, she likes to pretend she is a cat. If I was to combat her every time she pretended to be a cat I would be robbing her of joy. And for what reason? Because I am miserable and want her to be too? I feel hopeless so I need her to feel that way too so I don’t feel alone? The very community that atheists try to tear down is the very thing they need to thrive. A community revolving around having faith and hope in God, and striving to be better than they are. Ultimately atheists go public with their doubts and try so earnestly to prove God doesn’t exist so that other people will join them so they feel connected to some type of false truth and community. We long to be connected to each other.. we long to be loved and to love others. But the thing is God is love.. he is what connects us to each other.
Makes god sound like a yandere girlfriend lol XD
Sorry, Alex, but that guy yelled and waved his hands a lot more than you did. So you lose. Better luck next time.
lmao
Conrad Spoke Thats just how he is though, he gets very passionate about things that mean a lot to him so of course his delivery was going to be different. Besides these two guys are two completely different and not one one the same, you also have to take into account personality types. There plenty of people like that guy and I'm one of them, we just can't help it.
I spent the whole video thinking "why the fuck is this kid shouting at me?'
bowlsallbroken Ikr. Does he realize he doesnt have to yell??
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"Now I'm not some barbarian who would force people to worship me. That would be unfair. You can either choose to worship me, and no one else but me, or you can suffer in hell for eternity. It's completely your choice, and I do this because I love you."
- God
Get Rekt hilarious! LMAO
That sounds like Trump!
SanVic Except Trump, to a certain degree, has morals.
I think believers have a "Stockholm syndrome".
Sounds like an abusive parent.
Or a divine creator.
"I won't force you to love me, but if you don't I'll set you on fire"
I might have to start calling Christians, Muslims, etc... that when they want to talk to me about their faith... Oh you're one of the Love me or I'll make you burn forever believing people, huh?
Mr Fricks would a kind loving parent beat their children every day?
there really isnt an excuse to hit your own child though
Mr Fricks but its eternal... thats not a lesson
No not all ! is more like : I created you in my image ,not evolve .I give you the faculty to think and the gift if free will to choose. Because I love you I can't force you to be love me ,but I'm the standard of truth and I express my love in the ten commandments .when you choose to lie,steal, commit adultery, fornication,when you don't honored your parents ,when you are mean to others and don't take care of the hunger the poor the sick you depart from my true love and caracter . The opposite of me is evil ,so if you hate me and don't relate to me evil will not go unpunished. Then Hell is Justice !
'God has done everything he can to keep you out of Hell'
Has he deleted Hell? That seems like something he could do
Why would he like the sadistic $lut that he is
Or delete Satan, there is no bad influence anymore.
Ctrl+alt+delete
@Therese Mast Wait so God is all powerful but can't do anything about Satan? Sounds like Satan is stronger than God.
Also if God has done literally everything possible to stop people going to Hell, there would be no way to get there, so deleting Hell is the most efficient way to stop people going there.
And if God doesn't want me to go to Heaven then just let me die, no Heaven or Hell
@Therese Mast I'm not bossing God around. Simply questioning why Hell exists if God doesn't want anyone to go there. Nor do I hate God, I'm not convinced of his existence so I have no reason to hate him. And again, how am I supposed to believe God is all powerful if there are things he cannot do, like destroy Hell or Satan?
This is like...
A parent tells his child, "eat your broccoli or else the boogeyman will get you"
The child laughs off the threat and leaves the dinner table.
The next day the boogeyman shows up and murders the child.
At the funeral people excuse the murder by saying "well he chose not to eat it so he kind of killed himself. He was warned about the boogeyman"
It's not even the parent telling the kid it's like a storybook telling the kid.
Exactly if a leader acted similar to the abrahamic God...we'd consider him a tyrant and declare war on him. You can't just put everyone in jail for life for every minor infraction...why is torture for eternity for any minor to major infraction ok?
Robber goes up to a man and says give me your money or i will shoot you.
The man refuses and then the robber shoots him in the face.
In court the robber says well he had the choiche of giving me the money or getting shot in the face.
If god is real id rather go to hell than worship a communist dictator.
At the trial. "Your honor, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, little Timmy did not eat his broccoli. I rest my case. You must acquit my client Mr. Boogyman." Lol.
Idk why I find this funny
Interesting quote:
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
-Epicurus
X-Files A how do you know that your god is the true god and all the other 4000 gods (Zeus, Thor, Allah, Vishnu, ect) that mankind has made aren't real?
Severin Thank you for this. I have been trying to explain this concept to people for years, and now I have a handy quote to sum it all up.
X-Files A That just acknowledges evil, it doesn't explain it. Just "well it exist, they will get punished." Yet, no explanation for WHY it exists.
+X-Files A
What you have posted does not constitute a response to the Epicurean Riddle. It hardly counts as an argument at all.
Furthermore, if God loves us, why are the only options for us to believe in his story with little-to-no basis in reality, or eternal suffering? That is not what love is. Especially since most of us come to the quote-unquote "wrong" conclusion using the rational minds that He gave us. So either He wanted a race of slaves to worship Him forever, in which case why bother giving them rationality or free will, or He wanted a race of free-thinking beings, in which case why give the most dire ultimatum that any being can possibly give to such a race?
+X-Files A
First off: Rude much? Shouting over someone who's speaking to you as an audience is disgusting.
Also, this video contradicts itself. "Nothing can leave hell" "This idea was made in hell"(And is now obviously in the real world, otherwise he couldnt talk about it). Thats just 1 I picked up. Please try arguing, not preaching next time.
"So God gives you the power to deny him and face the consequences."
"Yep, so did Stalin."
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That was so true
if u believe that god is the absolute good then what's wrong with ur statement?
The burn
@Victor someone Stalin's version of communism was quite unique (and not "true" communism in their view)
Aaron Guevara but Stalin is in Hell and so is Hitler you those who reject Jesus will join them
"God has done everything he can to keep you out of hell."
NOT CREATING hell in the first place went under his radar, did it?
"Hell was designed for Lucifer and the rebellious angels."
Then how come humans end up there?
The first man was tricked. Original paradise was designed for humans upon creation to flow in an abundant grace with one parameter. However, man rejected love and its parameters wilfully, just like a loving Father doesn't allow a baby to drink chlorine bleach (true love sets parameters) . Satan only entices us to sin (to do what you want without parameters) and follow his path to hell, even unknowingly sometimes. Now what choice is there today, every human is born into this temporary world system (naturally, with no choice) . And the decisions we can make: 1) Either to accept God's gift of salvation and choose to follow His graced path back to life (John chapter 3 verse 16) or 2) just operate under this natural world system that follows the path of death of the first man, and reject the gift of salvation (rejecting love with parameters) , and choose to determine his/her own fate with whatever boundary they see fit. If you want understanding, read John Chapter 3: 1-21).
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Yeah, though a loving father would also never design such an environment where his child can get hurt.
So, surely he would make bleach safe to consume or not make it at all...
@@Altegore so you have children? Have they ever got hurt in your home? I don't understand your point?
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I don't have kids, but I did get hurt and do get hurt from time to time and it serves absolutely no purpose other than to warn me not to do dangerous things or that something is damaged in my body and I have a chance of dying...all of which should not even be a thing cause, what's the point making a world with potential to die or get hurt?
Same thing for hell - it's irrational to make such a concept and allow it to exist...
Алтегоре that's a very good argument. However, with any choice there are consequences. Think of any invention, a car can have a wreck, so should you stop driving? A computer can catch a virus, will you stop using them? I do understand a life without consequences, I guess, that seems logical. However, the world was created perfect. We were given instructions to take care of it. Just like this Covid-19, we are to keep our distance and mankind chooses sometime to not take it seriously and thus we almost can't leave home now. In the beginning, we were not to eat of one tree, the knowledge of good and evil, in the garden and mankind chose to eat it and tasted death. So the same way some will try to figure this out, are the same ones who will miss the choice to eat of the tree of life (Jesus) and choose to inherent life. Basically it all comes down to choice. God invented choice, we just carry the responsibility.
"if me stumbling across your video is due to Devine intervention and this is God's best effort to show me he exists then I'm not sure he's taking this very seriously " I literally almost fell out my seat with laughter
Tina Springer i read this just as he said it
Tina Springer And if God led me to Alex’s channel then he’s trying very hard to show me he’s not real- I’ve gone from die hard atheist to super die hard atheist watching Alex
Tina Springer God actually is not taking this very seriously. We should try to emulate that quality where it comes to belief.
@Daniel Wilkes i was the same after i saw ken ham's ark encounter theme park bullshit .... And 40 mins after watching the ken ham vs bill nye debate
God has done everything he can to keep us out of hell... except not making hell in the first place.
Oh Robvalue.............., the logic is almost too much to take! Good one!
2thousand33 Thank you :D
Well,if hes doing everything he can to keep us away from hell ,then nobody is actually going there ,becouse he is all powerfull and he can do everything.
Yessss,nothing has consequences now ,i can just go and murder some himans ,becouse its in my nature to do so and i need a higher authority to threaten me with eternal punishment in order to stop me from murdering people.
😃
robvalue wait, you're an atheist and don't believe in God anyway?
But since you do, why would you want God to force you to go to heaven?
The only action that might be worthy of eternal punishment is the act of willingly banishing people to their own eternal, irrevocable, and unrelenting torture.
Especially when they have given us literally zero actual evidence that the unrelenting torture even exists
The notion of living through eternity is hell. I would be so bored. Hell would be slightly more interesting, for a week or two, than heaven. Even constant flaying, burning and torture would become boring. Please let there be no afterlife. If there is I will definitely give god a Glasgow kiss.
@@happilyeggs4627 I mean if there were just a few extra decades slapped onto heaven that'd be fine, living for like 100-200 years would be quite cool, but 400 or above is just too much for me.
@fynes leigh I'm bored with you already.
Neil Zimmerman Omg yes this is so well said! I totally agree!
Ever notice how they don’t say “if you are good, you go to heaven” it’s “if you believe, you go to heaven”. The danger with this is that it enables so many religious people to do terrible things, but then go home and pray to god, and they feel good about themselves. I think this is why some of the most horrible people tend to be the most religious. For example I know parents who beat their kids, but they all go to church every Sunday. They think it excuses their behavior
It's much worse than that. They avoid answering the question of whether god would send a very morally upright person who's an atheist (or believer of a different religion) to hell is because they don't believe that to be possible. Christianity is a religion that lives on condemning all of mankind as irredeemably evil by default and sells you the get-out-of-jail card and I won't dare hand the world to these cynical human-haters.
In response to your statement let's get it right. Just because you believe will not get you into heaven. Satan used scripture to tempt Jesus. The wording should be " If you believe with all of your heart, mind, and soul" In other other words the word of God that was given in the gospel to change you into a new creation as the old is gone and the new has begun. Christianity is the only form of religion that has mercy and grace. The rest are on a good or bad scale. You have to constantly better yourself in fear from outweighing the good from the bad. A christian is no better than you as we all fall short of the glory of God. What we do have in return is mercy and grace to repent of our sins. The holy spirit convicts our wrong doings but continues to allow us to guided in righteousness.
Yeah athiest killed people average is on second number. This argument is wrong.
@@庫倫亞利克 The truth is that you were created not evolved. Whether you believe or not is your prerogative. God gave you a chance to be closer to him but you wish to be afar. The word is given to you but if you ignore it like I did for 25 years of my life then there is separation from him and you are handed over to the world. If you were never told then you never listened. We are no better than you but we put faith in believing there is a savior. It is not being better than you but there is a moral code of ethics that we were given. Sin is wrong and it is not acceptable to continue in it. The difference is that Jesus took it on himself to fight for our souls. As far as being bad? God knows our hearts and chastised the ones he loves. But if you continue in evil then you still can be separated from him. If you do not believe in the creator and say evolution is the answer then you deny God. So why worry anyway right?
@@stephendonohoe8226 The truth is that what you provide is not a truth but a claim, and a baseless, fearmongering one at that. Where are your evidence to back up your claims? Why do your alleged creator inject you with so much dysrationalia before sending you into "battles?"
And I don't continue in evil because I'm not evil to begin with, and will not be. I'm trying to be a moral upright person despite being an atheist. You, who claim that someone who doesn't subscribe to your believe burns, is the vile monster here, I fear. And the fact that I don't wish you the same fate (because nobody deserves eternal torture, not even--how ironic--those who disagree with me) marks me as being substantially less evil as you. Good day.
god gives me the freedom to choose between heaven and hell? i dont remember getting to choose whether or not i wanted to exist in the first place 🤔
Or your genes. Or your environment. Or your community. Or your monetary wellbeing. Or your culture. Or your exposure to the "truth". Or your upbringing. Or the severity of your indoctrination. Or anything else that influences your opinions on anything.
Blessed you have your life. The next one will be infinitely better if you accept it. Fallen world.
Lone Sheep Fallen World?
This is why I have argued before that because no one asked for conciousness on earth, then to give people 2 choices which is eternal conciousness in utopia or eternal conciousness in torture is immoral.
There would clearly be an option of conciousness not existing after death at all just like it was before we were born. But these were uneducated people from 1900 years ago and they didn't have knowledge at the time. We advance as a society and don't need religious fairytales anymore.
@@umm2730 Very good points
Love me and worship me or go to hell for eternity.
-God
I applaud your perspective but it's seriously off
@@zealotforhim Not really. God supposedly gave us free will, but if we don't believe in him and do what he stated through the Bible we are going to burn in hell for enternity.
Just as you have free will in a society governed by civil law, would you blame the justice system in all it's varied branches for enforcing those laws upon you when you , through your free will, choose to violate one of those laws. Your personal opinions or perspectives concerning those laws or the fairness of the justice system in which you now face will have no relevance when you stand before the judge. He is there to uphold law and impose judgement and an ultimate sentencing or acquittal based on the findings using the law as the standard and the judge as the one to enforce justice. God is such a being in that, He is one of truth and justice, but also one who can acquit, even though you are declared guilty, he has made a way(jESUS) where He can acquit us. It's our natural predisposition to be sinners, it's hereditary, we are born with that in our DNA, but it's through our free will that we can choose to accept or deny that acquittal. If you broke the law and someone you don't even know stepped forward and satisfied the demands the justice system was imposing upon you, you have a choice, accept or deny. This is your position with Christ. It's not a question of goodness, or fairness, it's one of eternal justice, just as in the natural world , in God's kingdom their is a moral law and justice system and He will ultimately judge everyone based on the free will you have been given to accept His ransom or reject it.
Oh boy. First of all, you're comparing civil law to moral law, which is pretty stupid. And besides, sin and crime are different things.
If I kill someone then obviously I deserve a punishment.
But if I don't believe in a magic man in the sky I will burn in hell for eternity?
Alex brought a good point in this video. If God is omniscient, Free WIll cannot exist as he knows everything in advance, including that I were to become an atheist. And now he wants to punish me for something he knew I would do but didn't bother to prevent it?
"It's our natural predisposition to be sinners, it's hereditary, we are born with that in our DNA." Could you please stop making up bullshit? I'm not even a biologist but this made me cringe so hard.
"Yeah, I kidnapped you, and I will make you suffer if you try to escape, but it's your choice if you wanna try, because I love you." - Basically, how Christians explain God's stance on sin and hell.
God has bars!
So did Stalin - Quote of 2017
Alienrookie lol omg "So did Stalin" I died. Simple. But effective 😂
Tempted to use this every time someone says they went to the bathroom. Just because.
I'm 400th like because 399 bugs the hell out of me
this argument is a false parallel. If we are discussing the claims of Christians, ie. that there is a God, a heaven and a hell, you've got to include all the claims, one of which being that this God is the standard of goodness as well. This line seems compelling because it is using a standard of morality to judge that Stalin's rule was evil and immoral (which I think we can all agree that it was). This results in injustice because people were punished for acting morally. However, if you're critiquing the claims of Christianity, you must work under the assumption that God is good, so actions against Him are bad, and injustice isn't created by punishing them (unlike the Stalin analogy).
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"If me stumbling across your video is due to some divine intervention and constitutes his best efforts to change my heart, I don't know if he's taking this very seriously" - I literally burst our laughing. Great video!
"Yep, so did Stalin."
probably the best vid quote I've heard in a while
I'm amazed at how calmly you destroyed him. I was raging every single time he took a breath. well done
Andrew An His aim was NOT to destroy him, It was to prove his argument wrong. The Christian was so optimistic albeit slightly ignorant. You don’t have to be angry...
@@kemiadekunle4543 Slightly ignorant is a compliment.
Melancholia no, slightly ignorant is an understatement.
Imagine living in heaven for all eternity with that guy.
Heaven is hell
Id be like heaven is great and all god but id rather be in hell then be with someone like that for eternity
@@nonami_066xswqoqowiwl and hell is heaven we just got things mixed up
And your atheist friends are burning unlike you because of this "love"
Bro that will be torcher
All of these people going "If you don't believe you're going to hell!" need to understand one thing:
Since I don't believe in him I don't believe in hell, very simple, therefor it doesn't scare me.
SaveMeMoon
Heaven doesn't seem really fun either.
Better to have pain for eternity than being bored...
Yeah but I think that reasoning requires, thought...
Just cause u don’t believe in it dosent mean it’s not real
Jay Phillips Yeah, that's kind of the point. Just believing don't mean he's real and just doubting don't mean he ain't. So, what's a good way to tell if he's real? That's where it gets complicated. Now I think, if you honestly look into it, with an open mind and you don't care who's right but you just want the truth, then you'll reach the same conclusion I reached. That there's just too much reason to doubt and not enough of a good reason to believe.
i absolutly agree with you Paul!
(excuse my grammar english is not my native language)
God commands us to Love our enemies but he condemns Lucifer, his enemy, eternal damnation! Shouldn't he practice what he preaches?
Gesam Duluse god doesnt command to love your enemy’s becouse they deserve to be loved. The command is about you letting go of your whrath becouse whrath is one of the 7 deadly sins and becouse god doesnt sin he doesnt have to worry about any of that.
@@Robertojrrodriguez so you are telling me God doesn't care about setting an example. He just commands us something either he doesn't care or incapable of doing it himself.
Gesam Duluse i was just trying to explain why god has that command, but pls dont say that god was wrong for sending lucifer to hell becouse it just sounds very dumb.
Here here
I like when Alex exclaims no crime...No...c r i m e is deserving of such...p u n i s h m e n t😷🤢👹
“God has done everything he possibly can, to keep you out of hell”
If that were true, there wouldn’t be a Hell to go too, because if God is all powerful and the ruler of the universe, he could just not allow a Hell to exist and permit everyone into Heaven regardless of faith.
@Tom Bladecki Sounds like someones salty nobody believes in their realm of convenience.
Don't agree with us? Well, you better.
Don't want anything happening to that eternal soul of yours, hmm.
@Tom Bladecki So you're saying things that aren't real, are real if you believe it. Well, belief is one hell of a tool.
Good luck.
God doesn't want atheists & disobedient lawbreakers in Heaven. Would you want thugs living in your neighborhood?
@@michaelantonio but if he's all powerful he could make them be god-fearing and law-abiding? why doesn't he? his choice.
@@Vickynger This would violate free will.
do people not see how insanely absurd religion is? i'm glad this guy points it out.
Me 2
The only reason I believe in god is because my brain won’t accept that the Big Bang happened out of nowhere. However I don’t believe following in the Bible. That book is disgusting in my opinion.
@@kobienotcoby2862 you seem to have a good approach to things
@@kobienotcoby2862 respect
@@kobienotcoby2862 There is a loving God for sure, I believe in karma. That's real justice. Every soul will heal eventually ❤
I never understood why Christians present free will as a blessing. "You wouldn't want to be a robot, would you?" I'm pretty sure that if I were a robot, I wouldn't mind that in the slightest. As a robot, I couldn't possibly lament my lack of free will - unless deliberately programmed by a third party to feel sad about it.
Also, the thing about God creating hell for the devil doesn't answer the question, "why did God create hell?" Because, after all, that just begs the question: Why did God create hell for the devil? Couldn't God just... vanish him?
Gilmaris .And is there free will in heaven? If so, you’d have to be constantly on guard and in case you slipped up and got evicted. What a fun way to spend eternity.
@Dave Rodriguez The idea of hell is a manipulation of the original Judaic/Canaanite Sheol (The place of the dead) wherein ALL went regardless of nature or rank. The incorporation of hell only became present by quite literally copying Zoroastrianism (Among other elements of Christianity down to the name of the Devil "Satan"). The idea of fire and brimstone is much more recent and contradicts the ideas of early Judaism or even the proto Christianity beyond an incorporation of Zoroaster and the Proto Catholicism. It was used as socio-political leverage to threaten with hell. IN the same vein, divine right of kings was postured the same. The King James for all it's fame is not nearly as ancient as believed (Try the 1600s when it was commissioned). The idea of Hell as it's seen is just a stolen idea from Zoroaster. If a just god did exist, he wouldn't make humanity broken. AT his best, god is genocidal, cruel, and contradicts himself. At worst, he creates us to torture us. To the point of letting his enemy ravage one of his own ardent worshippers, kill his ten children and go on. For no real reason. Only to simply REPLACE them afterwards. Not resurrect, replace. To God, we're just cogs and drones that he stacks the deck against for no reason then to burn them down to numb husks of fear and pain. God to many IS the Devil for these acts. Your god, his enemy, the entire pantheon of Christianity, Islam, Judaism, the entire lot. Are born from a need for a warlord to justify his actions to bronze age savages raiding, killing, consuming or worse. The rest is window dressing. Even Jesus Christ has been tracked down as a cult leader crucified for charlatanry through a noble patron. The same providence you justify god, is the same power as Vishnu, Kupe tangata, Quetzecuotl or the Blue Comet Kachinka. It has the same power as citing by the power of Grayskull and violently vomiting on command. Of all things, the closest we've seen of real miracles are explained later, compromising with casualty or the like. Free will is something god CONDEMNED humanity for. The fruit of the tree of knowledge gave humanity true understanding and free will. Self awareness. It is at best in the end an allegory for the ages of man. An allegory book butchered by warlords and warmongers with the key facet of "Forgiveness to be given by God alone through *Insert mechanism of denomination here*. It's the ultimate scot-free to the rest of the world, forgiveness is human, between humans and by human means to accept or choose. When we're dead, we're dead. Focus on living, not a spectral fascist that stacks the deck with razor blades and lies.
Dave Rodriguez
He technically did make humanity broken since he knows everything including what we will do and become
Dave Rodriguez
He described has Omniscience in the Bible so he knows everything. He knows everything so he knows that humans will sin and suffer for eternity. Any creator that makes life just to make it suffer is cruel.
@Dave RodriguezHow do you know that anything the bible says is the truth?
"god has done everything he possibly can to keep you out of hell" I'm pretty sure he could have just not created hell.
Why didn't he just delete Lucifer? he knows he won't redeem because he can see the future. Aaaaaaaand if Lucifer doesn't exist anymore there is no prison, which is hell.
@@kevinquiroz5384 I think the Giant Problem is a rather simple
One:
The 'Eternal' Part in 'Eternal Punishpotato'.
Thats the Issue, aint it?
And funny enough, if that part was made up by Humans
and the System is just smarter than Ancient Humans could have imagined - say 'Rehabilitation',
then this paints a whole new Picture.
I actually always had an Issue with the 'System' in the show 'Supernatural'.
Not only did H-ll have the Ability to punish you until you become a Demon
and not becoming a Demon aint really a pption,
but i really suspected something when i learned there was yet another Dimension;
one for Monsters. And it does NOT discern your Morality,
but instead literally "Monster or Not?", a Yes or No Question,
which is maaaasively flawed, to say the least.
And then i realized just how amazingly easy it is to become a Monster.
You can literally be the greatest Saint, walk down a dark Alley,
be captured and transformed by a random Vampire and then
Vampire-Hunters storm in and kill you before you ever drank Blood;
this would send you, despite your good life, to a terrible Dimension
full of Monsters - simply because you had literally 'bad 15 Minutes'... wow...
Comment gets long, but let me say this: There are actually many Possibilitys about
H-ll worth exploring, for example: Future-Humans will create something
like a H-ll;
maybe even 'retroactive', so it always existed. Its nice to discuss!
Or just not have created us at all or created us with sin at all?
Well, if you don't want God in this life , it makes no sense why would you want to live for eternity with Him.
So He made a special place for those who reject His Son, whom when they reject Jesus , they reject God. But you don't go to hell for only rejecting God , primarily it is your sin and evil wicked heart that separates and will eternally separate you from God.
You can never enter into God's Holy presence in your sin, that is why Jesus came. He came to take your sins upon Himself, to make you Holy before God. This is the only way you can be declared innocent .
It astounds me that most understand there are consequences for violating any law in our universe , but want to think that there will be no consequences for your sin, violation of God's moral law and the conscience and for that sin. That day of judgement before God will be a surprise for many, but God will show you that He gave you many opportunities to repent and trust Jesus and be forgiven. But no, no , mankind typically have to be extremely defiant and rebellious . You have been warned my friend
@@zealotforhim
The issue is... You go to hell for simply just REJECTING God.
You can be the most righteous and charitable human on the planet, but if you merely reject God, according to the Bible, that's grounds for going to hell. That's the main issue atheists have.
A Christian man and an atheist can live the exact same lives, do the exact same amazing deeds, but one goes to hell and the other doesn't. Hardly seems fair
"Accept Jesus in Your Heart."
Sounds very dangerous I think.
I just want to have blood and other things that should be there.
Not a guy who is said to have lived 2,000 years ago.
The risk of infections is imminent if you should have dead body parts in your heart.
Svarte Grim that was.......unfunny
Bastam Bastam lighten up
Bastam Bastam I found it funny.
@@bastambastam9186 yea that was kinda fun. I liked it
WOW !!! Great joke !!!
2:02 "God has done EVERYTHING HE POSSIBLY CAN in order to keep you out of Hell."
Ok, so not very omnipotent then, is he?
The claim that the Christian God is omniscient does far more than negate our own free will.
If Yahweh knew everything that was ever going to happen, as omnipotence suggests then he would know everything we would ever do even before we were born, which means he could not punish us for anything at all. He would create us knowing all the apparent 'sin' we would ever commit in our lives, including the sin of atheism. If he punishes us for anything then he is blaming us for his own mistakes.
If the Christian God is omniscient then he knows the properties of everything he will create before he even creates it, thus causing a paradox each and every time.
If Yahweh is omniscient then he could not have created Hell merely for Satan and his demons, because he would know in advance that humans would go there.
If Yahweh is omniscient then not only could we not have free will, by the same argument neither could he. Everything he ever did, everything he ever created, every decision he made, would be known in advance. When it comes down to it, that means he could not have been the 'first cause' that Christians claim either.
If Yahweh is not the first cause, then whatever the true first cause was (if there was one in the first place) must have created him, and if that first cause is also omniscient then we are facing a potential infinite regress.
In short: the Christian claim that Yahweh is omniscient negates everything else that Christians say about him.
Jonathan Nicoll
"The claim that the Christian God is omniscient does far more than negate our own free will."---
Really?
"If Yahweh knew everything that was ever going to happen, as omnipotence suggests then he would know everything we would ever do even before we were born, which means he could not punish us for anything at all."---
Non-Sequitur Fallacy. You're somewhat confused: "Knowing" something doesn't = *"Causing"* or being responsible for something.
An Example: a Parade winding it's way through a city. If you're on a 50 story building, you can see the lead paraders along with the end and even the assembly area; whereas, those who are viewing from the ground can only see a limited amount in their viewing area.
Question: If you're on the 50 story building and a tuba player trips and knocks down 5 in front of him like dominoes...did you *CAUSE IT* OR...did you just observe it based on your position?
"If the Christian God is omniscient then he knows the properties of everything he will create before he even creates it, thus causing a paradox each and every time"---
There is no "Paradox", you're confused.
"If Yahweh is omniscient then he could not have created Hell merely for Satan and his demons, because he would know in advance that humans would go there." ---
Non-Sequitur Fallacy. SEE "Parade" ect, above.
"If Yahweh is omniscient then not only could we not have free will, by the same argument neither could he."---
Non-Sequitur Fallacy: SEE "Parade" ect, above.
"If Yahweh is not the first cause"---
HE is, it's quite simple...
1. The Universe had a Beginning.
2. The Universe is made of Matter.
3. Matter is The Consequent, "A Knower" is the Necessary Antecedent.
(SEE: Quantum Mechanics)
4. Ergo: Philosophical Naturalism/Realism aka: atheism is PUMMELED.
5. Therefore: *"A CREATOR".*
"(if there was one in the first place)"---
"IF"?? (See: 12345) just above.
"...must have created him, and if that first cause is also omniscient then we are facing a potential infinite regress."---
Ahhh... "YOU" just proposed (Caused) the Infinite Regress...it's Fallacious.
He is the CREATOR. The "CREATOR" can't be "created" or else, HE couldn't be the *"CREATOR"* , by simple definition.
Furthermore Logically...for finite things to exist (Universe, Us), there *MUST BE* an Eternal "Always Was" Source; it's a Contingent Necessity (Antecedent) FACT. SEE: Aristotle (Prime/Unmoved Mover, First Cause).
To deny this, you are forced into a logical checkmate then reduced to introducing an *Infinite Regress Fallacy* (Like you just did)...it's Fallacious.
Nothing can CREATE itself.... because that would mean: It Pre-Existed Prior to it's Existence !! *Logical Seppuku.*
Also, there can be ONLY ONE "CREATOR"...considering more than one, even for a Planck Time, is *Logical Seppuku.*
ps. As for the Philosophical Naturalist/Realist (atheist), they 'believe' that the Universe Created them... OK, Who Created *"YOUR"* Creator --- (The Universe) ??
"In short: the Christian claim that Yahweh is omniscient negates everything else that Christians say about him."---
Factually Incorrect, Non-Sequitur Fallacy (See Above).
regards
Quantum Eraser you say he's confused because you think he conflates knowing with causing, but if God is the creator as you say he is, then he is also the cause of everything that happens, therefore his omniscience cancels out free will.
You propose yourself that a "knower" is the necessary antecedent, (how could this be the case? How can you know of something temporally prior to its existence?) and then say that he is the first cause and the creator of the universe while denying he is the cause of all that happens in the universe. This to me seems like more of a non sequitur.
Mad-eye Max
"if God is the creator as you say he is, then he is also the cause of everything that happens therefore his omniscience cancels out free will."---
Factually Incorrect: Knowing is NOT *"Causing"* (See Parade ect). And when I say Causing... in this context, I'm speaking to Causing "Volition".
We're not Automatons.
"a "knower" is the necessary antecedent, (how could this be the case?"---
Not "how" but *"IS"* ...
"The presence of *PATH INFORMATION* anywhere in the universe is sufficient to prohibit any possibility of interference. It is irrelevant whether a future observer might decide to acquire it. The mere possibility is enough."
Xiao-song Ma et al. (2013): Quantum erasure with causally disconnected choice. Proc. Natl. Acad. Sci. USA 110, pp. 1221-1226.
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3557028/
[THEREFORE, The LACK of *'which-path' Information* anywhere in the Universe is sufficient enough to prohibit any possibility of Wave Function Collapse. i.e. Formation of Matter ]
"How can you know of something temporally prior to its existence?"---
Say Again??
"then say that he is the first cause and the creator of the universe while denying he is the cause of all that happens in the universe." ---
Simple (again)...Knowing is NOT *"Causing"* Volition. (See Parade ect)
"This to me seems like more of a non sequitur."---
It's not, you're merely conflating Knowing and Causing.
regards
Yeah, sure!
It's true, knowing something does not mean it's the cause!
If "a god" actualized a world specifically for reasoning conscious free will agents then this world in which those reasoning conscious free will exist in and interact with may be the only logical world that can be actualized in which reasoning conscious free will agents can exist.
Therefor, a creater "god" who chooses to actualize such a world does so with the primary motivation being that reasoning conscious free will agents exist. While such "a god" knows what will happen, it's the existence of reasoning conscious free will agents which are the cause of what happens.
Also, just because God knows what will happen, you don't. Sort of consistent with His intent wouldn't you say?
Quantum Eraser "Knowing is not causing" so when you said he was the creator of the universe, you were just speaking absolute nonsense then? Creating sounds like causing to me.
I wish someone looked at me like how Alex looks at the camera
I have my screen paused at 8:12 right now, so you might wanna be more specific
Fil Joseph Ortiz wow you finishing on alex
IM DEAD 😂
Riley McLellan 😂😂😂
clifton gaither ikr
I immediately distrust the Asian guy because it's obvious that he is trying to persuade by emotion. Bravo for calm, collected, cogent, rational Alex!
Romans 9
@@barbarahill4125Frankenstein chapter 2. I guess we are listing fictional chapters or verses. 🤷♂️
@@richrichy3015 lol
he looks a bit more like hes from the southeastasia area than east asia
@@Cecilia-ky3uw he's clearly East Asian. Duh!
“God has done everything in his power to keep you out of Hell” Except.... given that he’s Omnipotent... ya know... eliminating Hell Entirely....
You have a choice:
1. Love a maniacal imaginary friend
2. Receive _unimaginable_ torture for all eternity
No, you have a choice of beautiful eternal life or death. Never does the Bible give a choice "You are going to live forever, so you chose where" It gives a choice of life or death. Which is exactly why Romans 6:23 states: For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is everlasting life. Or perhaps the most quoted verse of all time, John 3:16, some seem to completely brush passed the obvious difference of life vs death. John 3:16. For God so loved the world that He gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but have eternal life. Well, if you're consciously burning forever, you aren't dead. The world hell is from the Greek word "Hades" which dragged the mythological garbage of a underworld with it. There are confusing verses, such as parables or verses that seem contradictory. But as Malachi 4:1 clearly states: "Surely the day is coming, it will burn like a furnace. All the arrogant and every evildoers will be stubble, and the day that is coming will set them on fire" says the Lord almighty. "Not a root or a branch will be left to them. BUT (in contrast to) for you who revere my name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its rays. And you will go out and frolic like well fed calves. Then you will trample the wicked; they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I act." says the Lord almighty. I can't cover all of the verses, so here's a great video on it: ruclips.net/video/rvkgRy2KIdg/видео.html
But please just consider the true loving God of the Bible
Sounds like terrorism on a grand scale.
@@MajesticParadise-y3f I've read the bible. Didn't find a loving god anywhere in it.
You just called God a maniac. How is it torture that he does not force you to be near him for all eternity?
If you don't like God, why the heck would you want to be near him?
@@johngalt6627 You realize, don't you, that the book doesn't say you just won't be near him. It says you'll be burning forever. I know a lot of modern Christians like to pretend it doesn't, but it really does.
Build the wall... Between church and state.
There is already. You will see in the future that our Christian "religion" will be gone in the future. I guess you will have fun sinning while that happens.
Thank god its happening
God gives you the free will to accept him or reject him with consequences..... So did Stalin..... THAT WAS AMAZING
Except Stalin was real and people had legitimate fear of being killed. I can't accept something i have no evidence for and if your god doesn't provide me the evidence i need at minimum to believe so i can choose to reject or not is the fault of your god. Heck even if one was to believe Lucifer existed too, that creature at least had direct evidence for the thing he rejected. So any argument a believer puts forth that God can't give me what i need to believe because it would impact free will is 100% bullshit.
"God gives you the power to deny him and to accept the consequences"
Yep so did Stalin 😂😂😂😂😂
Ancient Jewish Scribbles
Dillahunty used this - I think it works well:
Did your God create hell?
Does your God create the rules of the universe including the criteria by which souls are judged?
Is there anything that happens that doesn’t go according to God’s will?
If you honestly answered ‘yes’ to the above….
Then your God is ultimately responsible for everything including the people who he sends to hell.
Laurence Cutner the Bible says that hell is for Satan and he made all negative feelings, but I see what you are getting at
and if they say no?
Laurence Cutner I mean what would you do in his place?
Dats the thing we are flawed and that's why we have murderes etc or just billions of ppl with different beliefs and ideas who would choose not to love a being like god simply just because they don't understand him or for many other reasons.humans being flawed is also the reason why some of us can't comprehend god and his actions
"If there was a perfectly lovable god as you claim",lol I think he was the one who first used the term lovable.
Thanos: *snaps*
You: *dies*
Guy in video: your fault you died should have been in the lucky 50%
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@@keyboardevangelist no ❤
@Saket Sharma One day you are going to face your creator on judment day.On the great white throne room.Your book will be open every lie, everytime you said his name in vain (Jesus , God) every lustful look at a woman/man you have not married etc will be written but before being tossed eternally in hell He is going to ask you what did you do with my son..You see God's laws are impossible to follow on our own will..but Jesus Christ was betrayed, beaten and finally he was killed (sacrificed by God) to pay for your sins like a fine instead of jail time . If you humble yourself for once pray repent of all your sins and trust believe Jesus did that for you. You will be saved from being tossed in hell on that day instead the holy spirit will come into you..change your heart of stone into that of flesh❤ that would mystically love righteousness and fully love God and have eternal life in heaven...this might be the last time you read the gospel..Jesus is coming back sooon not as the sacrificed lamb of God🐑 like the last time..but as Judge of the whole world..The King of kings🤴 with fire in his eyes🔥🔥. Think about that day..What did you do with his son? Jesus loves you❤
@@keyboardevangelist No, that is never going to happen. One day I will die and then be put into the ground to rot forever without any idea that I'm dead
@@generichuman2044 why do you think the universe is so fine knife edge tuned for life that the dark energy required for the acceration for expansion of the universe is 0.000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000138. Sorry i left out some zeros there😅. That if it decreased or exceeded this number the universe couldn't have form?. Why is the golden ratio found in many things in nature? It is obviously intelligently designed. Why do you think the ability to focus of your brain can alter the physical attributes of your brain (neuralplasicity) if consciousness just arises from the brain? The mind is irreducible. Why does your mind(consciousness) have the ability to collapse the quantum wave functions of electrons when you observe them? The mind over matter idea.. consciousness is like a operating software in a hardware computer.. and first of all softwares need programmers. Do you know who claims to be that? Jeremiah 1:5 before i made you in your mother's womb i knew you i set you apart..have ever seen a program that just got coded on its own without any intelligence behind it? And yet The human DNA is said to have more than 3.1 billion bits of information and you just think somehow protein molecules just decided to form complex DNA structures to form the first microorganism without any intelligence behind it. You know currently physicists are saying that spacetime is emergent from 2-D information plane. That it might be just a holographic simulation. So then if it is a simulation then who made the simulation. John 1. In the beginning there was the "word". And the word was God and everything in existence was through him and for him. And the word became flesh to dwell amoung men. The word is Jesus christ and he is coming soooon to take what is his and to judge all of mankind in history. So once again like i said atheists are Trapped in plato's allegory of the cave. We , born again Christians is hard for us to explain to you how sunlight feel like if you need seen the sunlight. God is someone you experience. God wants you to take that step on your own. A leap of faith. Jesus said seek and you will find. The spiritual realm is real. And i have a hint that it can be scientifically proven now. Why do you think that we can only observe and measure the 4 dimensions of spacetime while quantum physics and advanced geometry have proven that more 8 dimensions of spacetime exist. The spiritual beings (demons,angels,the holy spirit) move through those extra dimensions we can't normally observe.. so yeah😅. I need much more blind faith to believe the religion of extraordinary accidents and conciedence called atheism.
"God has done everything he possibly can to keep you out of hell" - oh really, what about the isolated Amazonia tribes that have no understanding of 'your' god. According to the book, they will be sent to hell for not believing in something they know nothing about. Great logic, cheers.
@Maria Callous Every single sentence in that paragraph is utter and complete GARBAGE ☺️
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Ishan Dsouza Question. So people born in nations or born in isolation and have no knowledge of God are damned to hell?
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According to the bible, they should be able to look at nature's beauty and thus realise that there must be a God.
Though how they're supposed to figure out that God is the christian God, and that they must follow laws and doctrine they've never heard of, I have no idea.
Theology is fictional literature taken a bit too seriously.
Wouldn’t that just be mythology?
@@YokaiX Technically, the literature is mythology, the taking of the literature seriously is theology.
jursamaj ah it’s all myths to secular skeptics
@@YokaiX It's also all myths to every other believer… except those who believe that specific myth. And given that every believer has a subtly different set of beliefs from every other believer, what that amounts to is that every believer considers every belief set but his own personal one to be myth. The logical conclusion is that they *all* are myths.
*a bit*
fantastic video. really cracks me up when people think heaven and hell are real places.
It's sad too though because many people who do believe in them were indoctrinated as children. I am an ex-Christian atheist and back when I was a child I fervently believed in Hell, much more than Heaven, and I would cry and cry with worry that I was going there. That fear became even more palpable and terrifying when I became a teenager and realized I am gay (I wasn't in one of the liberal sects of Christianity so being gay there was treated as worse than murder in some ways). So, I get that it can be funny and so strange to people who weren't raised in a religion but it certainly isn't funny when you are in it because you literally believe it.
"Yup, so did Stalin." I actually laughed so hard, that was the best thing ever.
After watching a number of your videos over the last few weeks, I must say I'm genuinely in awe of how incredibly articulate you are and how astonishingly powerful your arguments are, yet always respectful and composed which, as you once pointed out, is undoubtedly the best possible way to convey and idea and convince others. I regret however that this doesn't get more attention seeing as promoting knowledge and reason is probably our best bet for survival as a species, especially in a society/societies where moral and intellectual mediocrity seem to be a standard. Well done for fighting off in such a compelling manner the "enemies of reason".
Thank you Alex for doing everyone this service. Your brilliant analysis of flawed ideologies will help mankind move forward.
No, this child is just an ignorant atheist.
@@michaelantonio what a playground insult....how pointless.
He really will. Fixed outlooks of the world will never take us anywhere.
Jesus is so compassionate that he doesn't lift a finger to stop an adulterer being stoned to death
owly 12
Jesus is so compassionate that he doesn't lift a finger to stop an adulterer being stoned to death
In fact he promotes it
Owly 12: "Jesus is so compassionate that he doesn't lift a finger to stop an adulterer being stoned to death"
MK: You are entitled to your opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.” John 8:1-11, "Jesus went unto the mount of Olives. And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them. And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in ADULTERY, in the very act. Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be STONED: but what sayest thou? This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not. So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her. And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? Hath no man condemned thee? She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more." Apparently it was JESUS who saved her from being stoned, didn't He?
If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]
If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]
Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]
Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]
Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]
If someone severs their spinal cord in an accident, that person is paralyzed for life. No amount of prayer is going to help.
If someone is born with a congenital defect like a cleft palate, God will not repair it through prayer. Surgery is the only option.
A genetic disease like Down Syndrome is the same way -- no amount of prayer is going to fix the problem.
If someone is an amputee, or double amputee, they’re screwed as well.
27,000 children die every day for preventable reasons like malnutrition and unsafe drinking water. If Jesus answers prayers as he promises in the Bible, then why haven't the prayers of billions of people to end world hunger caused Jesus to solve the problem of global poverty? Or people with HIV/AIDS, Ebola...
20 people have cancer
All of them have read James 5:15, so all of them pray.
19 of them die
The one who lives proclaims, "I prayed to the Lord and the Lord answered my prayers! My disease is cured! It is a miracle! I KNEW God would answer my prayers!"
You never hear about the 19 who died. No one ever writes about that in a magazine. "Person prays, then dies" is not a great headline. And since they are dead, you will never hear from any of the people who had a deadly experience with prayer.
Therefore, if you don't look at all the facts around the "answered prayer," and you only hear about the one out of twenty prayers that succeed, it appears that prayer is successful.
The research ("Study of the Therapeutic Effects of intercessory Prayer 'STEP' in cardiac bypass patients," published in the American Heart Journal) was conducted over nearly a decade and led by Dr. Herbert Benson. It included almost 2,000 cardiac surgery patients who were randomly assigned to one of three groups. One group was prayed for after being told they may or may not be prayed for; the second group was not prayed for after being told the same thing; and the third was prayed for after being told they definitely would be prayed for.
The results: the group that was prayed for did no better than the group that wasn't prayed for. Prayer had no beneficial effect on recovery time, death rate, or other factors. (In fact, if anything, the results suggested that prayer may be harmful: The third group of patients actually fared slightly worse than the other two groups.)
Tl;Dr prayer doesn’t work
Love and stockholm syndrome . The psychological mystery of loving an abuser. Very interesting.
the burning in hell part makes it really hard to choose and think for yourself.
Stalin: Yo, man, you wanna follow this thing called socialism?
Soviet citizen: Nah, man, thanks.
Stalin: Ok. *Sends him to gulag*
God: Yo, man, wanna follow this thing called christianity?
Person: Nah, man.
God: Ok. *Sends him to hell*
Mr. Mathas first stalin was communist not socialist. second stalin was a dictator, people disappeared for any slight that offended the dictator. stalin had nothing to do with socialism. don't spread ignorance.
@@steveswangler6373 Woah, my dude. Its just a joke. If people really wanna know about Stalin and the communist moviment, they'd research it, not take their knowledge of it out of a youtube comment joke.
@@steveswangler6373 r/whooosh
maybe
@@steveswangler6373 The communists were a form of socialist. In fact they often called themselves socialists trying to build communism. Stalin's own slogan was socialism in one country. In order to save you from ignorance, let me tell you that socialism was meant to be a transitional state leading to communism.
Socialism has failed. Don't try and sell the pathetic fantasy that it's never been tried. It's been tried many times from Lenin to Jeremy Corbyn. It leads to stagnation, rejection or, most likely,Stalinism.
@@fatdan5726
Actually the soviet party was a blanquist movement. No standards and premises of marxist theory had been met and mandatory requirements were ignored. The only thing soviet socialism and socialism had in common was a basically stolen word - when the worker councils were purged right at the beginning, the soviet union no longer met the very definition of socialism.
I'm no proponent of socialism or communism, but to think the soviet union represented one or the other means to buy in the soviet propaganda.
Love your dry style, clarity of mind and rationality, young man! Just remember, when pointing out the bible's contradictions, that the 'love' shown towards us poor serfs also includes condoned beatings, rape, servitude, lashings...plus a whole host of other inhumane horrors. If only we could rid ourselves of imbecilic religion and free the tortured, enslaved mind. That day can't come soon enough for those that seek freedom from emotional blackmail and instilled, needless fear.
I'm wondering why you care if people believe in God. Why do you feel you must take it upon yourself to convince people of your beliefs? I know fairies aren't real but I'd be crazy to waste my life trying to convince people that fairies aren't real. Atheist's obsession with proselytizing their belief in a non-existent God is lunacy. Eat, drink and be merry for tomorrow you may die, right?
A good question mkmason, except for one thing: The reason so many atheists try to convince theists is because theists push their religion into things where religion shouldn't be pushed into, like government or education.
Why in most countries sex ed is either non-existent or ridiculously stupid? Because sex is embarassing, shameful. It's better to not educate our children and make them commit mistakes with often very dire consequences.
Or government, instead of creating laws that help people as a whole, they try to push laws that conform to their religion, like gay marriage being illegal.
Watching the both of you talk, it comes across as you being all calm and collected and the other guy looks like he's on speed throwing his arms around like a mad man over gesturing everything...its quite comical.
Kris Fox yeah, since atheists are a religious minority, we have to behave in a more peaceful way to be understood than other religions have to (because many theists consider atheism a religion). if all atheists were tj kirk nobody would want to be an atheist
Kris Fox Yo be fair, the other guy behaving like that is most likely just adapting to how youtube videos are being produced and edited. The fast paced, spasmic nature of online content just seems to be in vogue. I doubt that is how he behaves in normal life.
Who can love a dude who SENDS you to hell--if you don't love him back??? How would my wife feel if told her, If you don't love me back, I'll torture you forever!!! I don't believe she would love me after MY THREATS!!!
tony fendex Yeah, a lot of people have compared God and his threat of Hell to an abusive husband.
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"If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." ~ Captain Jean-Luc Picard
KTB: "If we're going to be damned, let's be damned for what we really are." ~ Captain Jean-Luc Picard
MK: This is another great example of the intellectual level of your atheist audience, quoting a fictional character from a fictional movie about a fictional universe! Wake up man.
... Christians have a whole book of fictional events and mostly fictional characters that they quote all the time to prove their religion and you call him out? The hypocrisy is real.
Let me ask you a question, have you ever read the entire Bible or are you merely speaking out of ignorance?
I have read most of the Bible, since we have mandatory religion lessons in my country.
How about you? Have you ever read another faith's holy book to claim your faith is the true one or are you speaking from ignorance?
Girlfriend: "do you think this dress make me look fat?" (Actually looks fat)
[Option 1]
Me: "no (white lie)"
-just sined to make girlfriend happy, condemned to hell for eternity.
[Option 2]
Me: "yes"
-condemned to the couch for eternity.
LOL!!!!
either way, it’s *E T E R N A L D A M N A T I O N*
That "build the wall" shirt is GENIUS! I would buy it if I wasn't a broke 13 y/o!
Henry Nark wow that’s rough
"SEE YOU IN HELL!"
Which one?
Maybe I'll see you in Heaven, but I doubt you would want to enjoy your eternity....if you end up in hell try not to make it more miserable than it already is...Place where there is no light except the flickering flames in the darkness, toxic fumes to breath, naked, always hot, every foul creature and maybe even mans worst imaginations come to life, not to mention ancient demons from long ago who are filled with hatred...maybe one dies everyday only to be reborn to die again the next day. No friends. No conversations. Unimaginable loneliness and severe depression. The Kingdom can be seen way off in the distance shining as a star but you can never get there. All the regrets and prideful rejections of the Son of God are a constant plague on your brain that you were too foolish to admit your need for a Savior. You blew it for all eternity. You blew it...no one else is to blame. God gave you ample time and many opportunities but you squandered it all. Jesus said of Judas, "It would have been better if he were never born." Jesus also said, "What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and yet forfeits his very soul in hell?" Basically you've placed your bet on hell and purposely avoided Heaven. You CHOSE the smelly garbage dump over beauty unimaginable. Theres no logic in that. SIN is very blinding.
@@jasonstrange1490 Wow, your post was as scary as being told Santa won't bring me any presents if I am naughty.
What if you find out you cannot enter Valhalla because you didn't die in battle? There's as much evidence for that outcome as there is for the hell you described.
Surely not the Christian one because it doesn't exist even in the Bible. Gehenna, the supposed hell, is just a valley near Jerusalem where dead corpses were laid to burn. The fire was perpetual so that is the "eternal fire of Gehenna" Jesus condemns his enemies to. He is saying that his enemies are going to be slaughtered and abandoned there
@@konyvnyelv. So when the Bible says Jesus is the Lamb of God does that mean he's a literal lamb? That's why it's good to know Hermeneutics and use it according to the rules. Jesus is clearly speaking in hyperbolic language and not saying hell is the dump outside Jerusalem but that hell is LIKE that. Jesus used word pictures to paint vivid imagery to point to the reality of such a place. Word pictures that our little minds could understand.
Love it
“Yep so did Stalin”😂🤣
I loved that line; Also, 51st Like! :)
Best burn against Christianity ever!
Is it just me or is it so strange to see an adult who believes so fervently in God?
Like believing in a god was something I did as a child, just like Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny and so on. I became agnostic in my early teens without even realizing it. I started questioning god and all these belief systems.
Seeing people this age still defending such an ideology to such a degree is sooo strange. It's almost like that part of them never grew up. Is it just me?
Oh yes I am inferior because I don't have imaginary friends x'D... okay.
Also you do realise that it was because of genetic mutations that we got here. Does this mean you consider yourself inferior to say homo erectus or even some form of ancient bacteria that used to be our ancestor?
DastardlyDawkins bro you look like jesus on your profile pic
Dark rock, I think Dastardly Dawkins was being sarcastic albeit a little facetious
foot in mouth yeah I thought that too. The comment was not meant to be taken seriously and so literal
Ok, seriously, saying that we send themselves to hell is like saying we commit suicide when a mugger shoots us when we refuse to give him money.
Oh and, good luck for good people who died and never heard of Jesus. They're in hell according to this guy.
Finally someone else is saying that!
Zvonimir Tomac I feel bad for the poor people who die never knowing the simplest comforts in life who are targeted by religions that offer nothing but the false hope of a better hereafter
Honestly the very concept of hell is just ridiculous and unimaginable to me. We’ve all accidentally burnt our fingers on a stove or whatever, now imagine that pain times a million. The very concept of your flesh fucking boiling while you’re conscious is just bloody gruesome, and I can’t even imagine it, how could anyone wish that upon anyone?
Because they're sick lunatics brainwashed by religion, that's how. Anyone who believed in such a treatment of humans outside of religious context would be taken for psychiatric evaluation.
Have you ever thought what if I'm wrong, what will your excuse be?? Because your very words condemn you as you can't claim you didn't know above the love of Jesus and the consequences of not repenting!!!!
@@seanjohn4388 What if you are wrong about the other 1000's of Gods you didn't even verify ?
@@seanjohn4388 i love how you don't even adress his comment, also again "give youself up or the knife goes in"
"God dose everything to keep you out of hell" oh did i miss the part where he prooves he is real? And if we are made in his image then why arnt i invisible?
I can't see you. I have no proof that you wrote this. Are you god? You are, aren't you? You cheeky bugger.
oh, it's not even fair. these lads are clearly operating on vastly different intellectual levels
The gospel seemed to say "Love me, or I will hurt you." That played into my de-conversation.
....you mean "de-conversion"?
@@pranavlimaye Auto correct gets me again.
@fynes leigh Yes. Really. It's not a "chapter and verse" thing, it's a doctrine thing. UNBELIEF is the "only sin" that is not forgiven. Believers are said to love "god". One doesn't love something they don't believe in, therefore if you don't love "god" he/she/it will hurt you (in hell). Now, I don't believe this, I'm just pointing out what I perceive the "good news" seems to be saying.
The second statement is an unintelligible word salad, with no dressing.
@fynes leigh When a person is "saved", do they profess to "love god, Jesus, or what ever you want to refer to as the Savior"? The commandments can be 'boiled down" to "love god completely". Luke 10:27, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'" Mark 16:16b "...but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
Therefore, believers are "saved", presumable they "love the 'deity figure', and if they don't, they are condemned/sent to hell. In other words, "love me or I will hurt you." Like I said earlier, it's not really a passage look-up thing, it's a doctrine thing. It's a concept gleaned from all my years as a believer. A person claims to repent and love "god" and gets "saved", or they don't love or believe in "god" and according to the doctrine, they get dammed (That's why I say 'love me or I will hurt you')
Don't be moving the goal posts.
@fynes leigh not loving God is always presented as a "sin" and you know it.
Gosh, I love how you sum it up. My dad was an atheist. My mom, just said she had no idea what or if God exists. My mom I am sure thought like me, that the universe is so beyond our comprehension and, at times, things happen which seem beyond coincidence. Like, for instance, when a child my mother's friend had a fight with her mom so she snuck out before dawn and went to my already unconscious mother's window and began knocking. Apparently the gas fridge was pouring gas into the house. One member, her father, heard the knocks and awoke. My mom, her sister, and small brother were already unconscious. Had her friend not had that fight and decided to go to her home they'd all have been gone. It was my mother's way of answering my eight year old question, is there a God. Now, I cannot believe there is a physical entity called God that actually looks like us. That is the height or arrogance. But it was her way of saying events take place that one wonders. She left it for me to surmise. I know on her death bed, when asked, she espoused being a Christian. But when asked if she'd like a clergy to talk with she answered, NO! I think it was a disingenuous " better just be safe and just in case" answer. Basically fear. But isn't all interpretations of being human and sinful, basically having a conscience, used to scare us that we must believe or else? Look, I cannot believe, as a retired nurse and witnessing amazing things near death, plus loving my children and others beyond description, that we are here just as a hoax. That when we no longer breath it's over. Have no idea what exists but cannot fathom that's it. But certainly this whole burning in Hell for eternity seems so manmade and all about control. I think many get caught up in fellowship, and are captivated each Sunday or whenever they go, that it feels so wonderful they are duped and feel they are part of a big family. They feel connected to being human. I sense science's energy cannot be created or destroyed theory takes meaning upon death, in some way. Who knows. AND my biggest fear is how many are trying to end our separation of church and state!! Fear is a wonderful tool for control, huh?
ok but let's just appreciate how enthusiastic and exited this guy is about his religion, i don't know if i find it sweet or scary..
Scary...definitely scary
Nina Ristic I have no appreciation nor tolerance for people who are enthusiastic about ignorance.
I hope you find a guy who's passionate about something a bit mentally healthier.
Nothing that this religious nut job said throughout the entire video conveyed in any way that he was an intelligent thinking man. It showed that he was a God loving sheep in a flock of many sheep.
This is what happens when you mix meth and a butt plug.
"God has done absolutely everything to keep you out of hell!"
Literally 3 seconds later...
"He gave you free will so he can't just mind control you"
So he didn't actually 'do everything' did he?
Doing everything would mean refusing us free will and turning us into mindless slaves, or abolishing sin and making it impossible to go to hell. I still don't understand how a loving god is capable of just sitting in heaven, watching humanity and disapproving of everything we do yet at the same time get on his high horse and judge us for something HE ALLOWED TO HAPPEN!
Good lord, Christianity, please see the fallacies!
He does not allow it. Satan rules this world and God gave everybody free will. The moment mankind sinned it gave Satan full right to own the Earth. God has to work with you individually. The moment we sin we give Satan rights to own us. That is why it's difficult.
Or forgiving people much more, not being so strict, and not making punishments eternal. Those are options too.
Even Hitler should only get like 300-500 years in Hell, every crime should be able to be forgiven at some point or another
this is why Greek Gods and Mesopotamian Gods have at least a better choice than Christianity
@@jesusdiazzz6369 So basically Satan made God his bitch?
"Yep, so did Stalin"
Should have dropped the mic there.
I used to be a Christian and after research and thinking for myself, I came to the conclusion that there is no god. But my years of conditioning to believe that those who don’t believe in god go to hell stuck with me. I cried myself to sleep every for an entire year thinking about the littoral eternal pain I was destined for and no matter how hard I tried I couldn’t accept Jesus in my heart again because I simply didn’t believe because all evidence pointed against it. But every time I reminded myself of this my programming would excuse it as the devils temptation pulling me even closer to hell. It was a nightmare. And it didn’t help that the only therapist that my parents would allow me to see was a christian based one who only reinforced my fear and pain by telling me I only had to open my heart. And the more I did, the more it broke. And the more I cried every single night out of paragliding fear of hell. It took me a year to finally escape that mind trap and it still creeps back to this day
To be honest though your voice is great and actually makes me want to watch more of your videos, it's smart but not in an "I'm smarter and thus better than you" kind of way.
There's no such thing as a "smart voice"
Drumming411 but if there was it would be alexs'
Drumming411 No, but from a subjective point of view, a voice can be "smart-sounding", for whatever psychological reason.
to be honest i still can see a tiny bit of feeling superior on his face, dont get me wrong, it is almost impossible to not have if you have an opinion.
Türk Türkisch self-assuredness should not be confused with superiority. The first comes with having done your homework and knowing your position is sound. The other stems from a need to delude yourself and belittle others. A compensatory measure.
There's a little detail at roughly 6:15 that I thought was interesting and worth pointing out. God designed Hell. Rather, that's what their storybook claims, and I think that's an important distinction that I never noticed before. The devil didn't design Hell, he just lives there. If God is all loving and all good, why the hell would he go about designing a fiery pit of eternal torment for his creation?? Why would he even create the option to go there in the first place?? Why couldn't God have designed an afterlife for his creation that had only a single option?? Why aren't more Christians bothered by this and questioning it?!? Sure, I've heard that Hell exists for the purpose of divine justice, but that just creates more problems. Is God supposed to be merciful or just? Because he can't be both, especially if an existence in Hell is to be eternal.
Edit: I also hate that term "Accept Jesus into your heart," and all that other gushy jargon-y Christian nonsense. I have relatives from the mid-west and southern US, as well as Texas, so trust me when I say I've heard a lot of it. I always joke that the Lord is having a hard time getting in there thanks to all the plaque build-up from McDonald's french fries. No one I've said this to finds it amusing.
I have heard some Cristian sects are coming to the conclusion that hell isn't an option of where you can go and there is only one after life option.
@@WingedEspeon I'd love to know how they came to that conclusion and what evidence they have to support such a belief.
If he wanted justice he could make a place that wasn't eternal torture, but was still punishment.
The sentence says that the place is for devil and his angels. Well we are neither devil nor the angels of devil but humans, then why hell should be related with humans in any way.
I've heard multiple times people answering that with "He didn't create it for humans, he did it for Satan to live there. When you "choose" the devil, you go with him". It's a cop-out, I know, but I think that's the average christian response to that question.
Egyptian gods are way cooler, i would love to hang out with Anubis.
no they are wicked spirits.
Is that a hemorrhoid ointment?
@@jesusdiazzz6369 Not more wicked than the barbarian Demon god, Yahweh
When Moses destroyed Egypt each of the plagues was a direct assault against the false Egyptian gods. So they are NOT way cooler than the God of the Bible. God showed his supremacy over dumb imaginations of sinful men. These false deities were impotent and weak and foolish. The apostle Paul in the New Testament said that behind every idol or false god sits a demon. If you don't believe on Jesus as Lord and Savior chances are you have some sort of demonic influence already upon you which prevents you from clearly seeing Jesus and believing the Gospel. A demonic blinding. Read the New Testament see how Jesus deals with it and see how the Apostles unpack it....its really clear.
@Jason Strange We’ll see how that holds up when Anubis is weighing your heart against the feather of Ma’at, Jason.
"God has done everything he can to keep you out of hell" except proving his existence lol
It's just a big hostage situation and God is holding the gun. Christianity is just holy Stockholm syndrome
MrMastercatfish This
This is amazing
Sad, but true.
Rubbish
Incorrect
I think you have got one thing wrong. You said “no crime is fitting of such a fate” but if looking to Exodus 21:24 “for guidance” doesn’t god and only god deserve eternal torture. Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth, eternal torture for eternal torture.
Adam Mckie Brilliant comment!
If I never heard of this concept of god, I would think he is talking about some invisible sugar daddy or something creepier
@@amellirizarry9503 Annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd they deleted.
Thanks for your work Alex.
Even the the most benign versions of Christianity I'm aware of have one thing in common: the demonstration of what an abusive relationship is like and why it is so difficult to help those on the receiving end to leave them.
I have this analogy: Imagine that you knew for sure the results of the next lottery draw and you're buying a ticket. What would be the reason to not choose the winning numbers? And if you don't, you already know that it's a losing ticket, so why bother buying anyway? That's how I see omniscience. If God already knew that Adam and Eve would eat the fruit, why did he bothered to make them in the first place?
It's like you said: "God know exactly what would take to convince me". If there's no such evidence, God doesn't really want to be believed.
Why would God create a people with potential to sin and fall into rebellion?.......many forget they had the potential to obey as well and if they did , they would live forever with God.But their sin, separated them from God, and they begin to psychically die, not becasue He didnt love them, but becasue of the laws that were present, you sin you shall be cursed and die, spiritually and physically, but more importantly, it was His Holy righteous and just nature, which most atheist have no concept of...so they bring him down to their level and try to degrade, inflect their anger and frustration upon hIm becasue of their ignorance of Him and so they try to define, refute, dissect Him.....assaulting his character and mocking His person ..lol. news flash...He wins in the end, against all His enemies!!! God created us with freedom to chose , freedom to obey, freedom to reciprocate to him, all He feels towards us. We were created for his pleasure and desire for relationship, fellowship, unity, love, intimacy, a people made in his image, for good works but with the free will to chose or to chose to rebel. But He made provision to redeem and save even those of us who would turn away and reject him. You raise a kid or become a leader in any facet of life you will soon see, even good people, with good intentions , given free will, will hurt you, lie to you, steal from you, rob and even kill you, some even do it to their own family. Where free will exists, the urge to covet, be selfish, greedy, lustful and ultimately end up serving your own insatiable and uncontrollable appetites ever increases. You don't have to go far to find an example of what God did, just study Children for awahile. We are like children given free will with a desire for more and when we don't get our way, we will do what kids do against their parents or anyone who stands in their way....it's no different with God and He will not force His way upon you, but has made a way
"it was His Holy righteous and just nature, which most atheist have no concept of"
Oh yeah. because a being that destroyed all the life on the planet except for a couple of his yes-men is righteous and of just nature.
You are forgetting a lot of atheists were raised in Christian households and read quite a lot of Bible.
"He wins in the end, against all His enemies!!!" - He's omnipotent, yet Satan apparently still exists. Can't God just poof him out of existence? Just think of all those poor people, nobody would be there to tempt them into sin anymore.
"God created us with freedom to chose , freedom to obey, freedom to reciprocate to him, all He feels towards us." Yeah, because if you have two paths to choose from but if you choose the wrong one you will be shot. This is the "free will" you speak of.
"He will not force His way upon you" yeah, because eternal hellfire is not "force".
Rob Henry So is there free will in heaven. If so, according to you “the urge to covet, be selfish, greedy, lustful.......” will also exist in heaven. The inhabitants will therefore have to be permanently on guard lest they slip up and are evicted. What a fun way to spend eternity
I'll give you a choice, Mr. Skeptic, because I love you.
1. Heart this comment
Or
2. I'll stick your hand in a meat grinder
It's _your_ choice.
Second it it.
If you gave me that choise, it wouldnt work cus i dont have hands. Im a wiggly snek eel.
I guess he made his choice
@@unlimitedduckgamer HOW DO YOU TYPE
@@angeltales748. Poorly!
Bring back the CrOoKeD dReSSeR ! Make it an image on your merch, with a tag-line along the lines of, 'Only god can make a Tree...but only Man can make a mess of it.' or 'Proof of a Grand designer !'
6:12 He sure seems to have a lot of invisible friends...
I truly feel sorry for that guy. Imagine the fear he must live with. Constantly worried he will be damned to hell for some sin he may commit. It must be horrible to be religous out of fear.
"So yeah, god gives you the power to deny him and to accept the consequences."
"Yep, so did Stalin."
That line was gold.
Brilliant! Your arguments are clean ant to the point and show you both have knowledge and do your research into the bullshit some people spew! 👍🏻
If you click on the link to the original video, it is now private… as it should be
"I hope u had a fantastic eid" lmaooo
Bassma Zekry I know right?! I was like bloody hell Alex. Fuck it i am still Mohamed anyway.
Bassma Zekry lol I was wondering wtf he said. Eid as in the sacrifice feast?
Yep, there are two per year. One at the end of Ramadan and one at the end of the pilgrimage season (this one)
Lu Citti eid is basically holiday it's just the Arabic word
Eid is just a holiday for Muslims. It's like celebrating birthday.
But I thought the wages of sin was death. Now it's hell?
Wood 'n' Stuff w/ Steve French The Bible contradicts itself too often for it to be the word of a "all knowing deity"
I know, it's really damned crazy nonsense. As somebody formerly of their persuasion... They try to explain around it by stating that "death" in this instance is not biological death as one would reasonably assume, but instead some sort of "second death" by which a person would be irrevocably separated from God (Rev 2:11 and Rev 20:14). Of course, as always, there are many problems with this supposed "explanation". One I like to point out is as follows: if our actions or lack thereof determine this "second death", then isn't it just a single death with a different outcome, as at that point it is predetermined? Another is that if this "second death" is what was referenced here, why call it simply "death"? If this book is supposed to be written through divine influence on humanity by God, what they call "inspiration"... why are there discrepancies like these, and why do humans have to go to such lengths to "fix" or explain these things? An omnipotent and omniscient being would, should and ought to make sure that such imperfections never occur in the first place.
It's the same thing... it's all actually very simply explained in the bible. I recommend you read it front to back and it may make more sence then you think :)
jimmy
As I said before: "...formerly of... persuasion...". I have read the whole thing at least twice through in each of the three most popular versions. I've cross-referenced many texts in the book since then... The only way it just "makes sense" is after some person or another makes the connections through assumptions and a lot of explaining. It doesn't even matter which version is read from. KJV, NKJV, NIV... All of the same vagaries and inconsistencies. I don't understand how anyone could possibly see perfection and divine inspiration in a book so riddled with human levels of naturally flawed writing. It's utter foolhardy madness.
Aaron Morris hey! ah, you see my friend, here is the interesting part. one person can read the bible and it will change their lives while other read it and say it's stupid and fake. did you know it's not just a book with pages and ink? did you know there is power of god behind the words? ask. ask God to open himself through the word and in your life. there have been many atheist maybe much stronger then you who god has changed.
Yep , so did Stalin BURN
2:02 Giving someone free will actually increases the likelihood of them going to hell, because they now have the freedom to sin. Also, He'd be doing even more to keep us out of hell if he actually showed Himself or in another way proved that he really exists as described in some holy book.
Smart atheist vs zombies
Abubakir Effendi yep. Religion is basically creating a population of brain dead idiots who can't think for themselves. Aka zombies. They are actually past that point already though. Zombies are much more intelligent than creationists.
@@jeffhart9916 Not really.
Jeff Hart i literly could say the same about athiest so your argument is pointles.
Jeff Hart at least i dont believe that a big bunch of nothing created everything becouse there is not a single planet where that would make sense.
Dolo Kabes of course everything didn’t come from nothing...in the bible it says that there was nothing, but that’s irrelevant to my point because I don’t believe in the Christian god...there were gases, and particles, that reacted with each other..
Saying that God doesn't send you to Hell, you send yourself there, is like if I threatened someone to get money, they didn't give it to me, and I shot them, and then said "I didn't kill him, he killed himself."
You make some good points and might I add, if God really didn't want us to sin, why make it a desire within us? God supposedly designed us thus must have intentionally added the capacity to want to sin.
Technically, the first "sin" was a desire for knowledge (or fruit, depending on who is thumping the pulpit).
abbie,the angels have no desire for sin,but God keep desire of sin and good as well ,and that is the whole test ,for angel there is no test thats wy they can,t sin,and thats wy the whole logic is that even if we have the desire of sins and we still control us then God will put us in the eternal heaven.i think you got my point,if there were no desire for a sin then we would also be angels ,and then where is the test,angels were there before the creation of adam,and they were like robots ,they day night worship God and they were not design to do sin,and thats wy God decided to create something which is different from angels ,thats wy he create humans ,and keep inside them good and evil both and if still some human do his worship and not do sin ,he will in eternal heaven.
tatar boy
if angels have no free will and satan was an angel, how did he go against god? your logic is fallacious.
There are so many holes, people just do apologetics and confirmation bias with no critical thinking, flat [earth] out retarded.
May I take this opportunity to thank all the criminals that sentence themselves to jail - good on you for taking yourselves out of society.
5:47 "Yep, so did Stalin." Lol brilliant.
it feels so awesome to watch this kind of response videos, the problem starts when you actually face a christian, holy shit that's frustrating!
OMFG. He is using the same old argument and citing of verses (as "evidence"). Who is Becky? Another of his imaginary friend?
Sage 2 I know right , what a mentally unstable guy he is .
"Or we'd have moral man running around dictating what is correct or not"
The irony is real