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Oh my God. I got triggered af at "god regulated slavery, because he knew men were evil". The amount of hoops your brain has to flop through to be alright with that argument is CRAZY!
This thought process and argument from Believers is pathetic. If there is a God he would know that all of his rules, people would still do it. A God would know people are still going to eat shellfish and wear mixed Fabrics. What I would expect to see if the Bible were written by man pretending to be God, would be allowing slavery as we see. What I would expect from a real MORAL God, would be thou shalt not own another human being as property. people still attempting to justify the Bible and slavery is pathetic. There is no context there is no excuse. The Bible is filled with immoral bullshit. They have failed to justify the belief in a God for 2k years. They use awful arguments filled with fallacies, circular reasoning, and God of the gaps. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing, it's a joke.
Stig Weard by Orin’s beard you’re right! Mentioning a things name means you automatically believe the thing is real! How could it be any other way? What, maybe people use colloquialisms because they’re common phrases and language is a thing people learn from other people? And just because the way people say “I am upset by these things” is currently, “oh my *insert name here”* doesn’t mean that there’s belief, or even much thought, behind those words? Great Googly-Moogly, Batman, what a hot take. /s obviously. How anyone still thinks saying God’s name means something when it’s so culturally ingrained to say religious things that we say ‘bless you’ when we sneeze is a mystery to me.
@Michael Driggers I know right? It's still awful even if this was referring to indentured servitude. If I am only working for you as an employee to pay out a debt, why in the hell would I allow you to beat me and why would you even think you could? It makes no sense either way.
@@FINESTGAMER100 according to strong translation δοῦλος (doulos). Can translate to slave, servant, maid and can also be voluntary. So voluntary workers are considered doulos. The hebrew word עֶ֫בֶד (e.ved) translates according LSJ dictionary, as worker, worshipper, maid, servant, priest or prophet Both (e.ved) and (doulos) are used a lot in context to refer to Christians and Jews. When talking about actual slaves. Remember that Israel was in slavery when It was happening and had stricter laws about servants and had ways to release them unlike the other nations. And the servants were Foriegn. Just like how America uses china. however unlike Americans using the Chinese or indian workers . Servants could convert to ones nationality and religion and be freed from all debts every 7 years and were paid appropriately. That system I would say is more civilized then America where you can get 25 year college loan debts. And we do not pay our need for Foriegn workers at the same rate as US workers.
Not really. The bible itself commands people to treat slaves properly, forbidding them from oppressing them or threatening them, telling people to treat the slaves as the slaves are to treat them, and telling them to let slaves live and work wherever they want.
Repent and turn to Christ Jesus before it is too late. For after this comes the JUDGMENT. Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
Charlie - was Nero the antichrist, or not? How many are familiar with Matthew 21:43? Without that, the whole 'this generation will not pass until these things are fulfilled' line will be confusion, perhaps?
@@charlie4christ536 Big sacrifice, dies on a Friday and rises on a Sunday that is two days tops. Maybe takes a brief tour of Hell and comes back to be right hand man of the ruler of the universe for eternity. Not a bad gig if it was real.
As a black person it just pains me to see anyone, let alone another black man defending the bibles clear facilitation of slavery. Thats like some serious Stockholm syndrome
Feels like bible was written by one of my highschool bullies who grew up and justified every deed and bent rules for their advantage to keep exploiting other colleagues.
@@lordcole5138 intellectual criminals, as I stated. but also fraudsters and dupes if you read the entire comment. It's true because I believe it and I have faith in my opinion. lol.
As it has been stated often: It was the bible that turned me into an atheist. This topic of slavery and others convinced me that the books of the bible were written by men claiming to speak for a god.
ccook you are partially correct. If you keep reading your bible you will discover that the Israelites were instructed to take perpetual slaves from the surrounding nations.
@@chasson321 I never disagreed with that. These are called "bondservants". Prisoner-servants! I just disagree with anyone that think that this is the same thing as the European and African treatment!
ccook2010 Romans 1:16 They weren’t prisoner servants when taken from Africa? They were taken prisoner & were made to be servants. The mental gymnastics are fucking insane with you people 🤦♂️
@@cjames9320 no no. The bible thumpers are the ones that cherry pick what they want to hear out of their holy book. Us Atheists just point out how bullshit your holy book is.
@Michael Agbonkpolor he won't watch that because like most atheist, they refuse to accept anything that would shatter their worldview and hurt their feelings. Weak atheists stay deluded til you get what's coming for you. Enjoy getting roasted in hell for eternity.
@@jacobside2656 you point out the best quality cherry that you picked. Enjoy your time on earth while you still can because you sure won't enjoy your time in the afterlife while your ass is getting roasted for eternity.
@@jaebird3077 U are joking right? Why would he say how to treat a slave when he didnt approve of it. Thats like god writing a step to step guide on how to hook up with girls even though he disaproves of it.
"God gives humanity a choice." Said choice being that of blind obedience and unquestioning faith that everything God does is right and perfect, or being eternally tortured for having the audacity to ask questions and exercise free will. How the hell does that NOT sound like slavery to you people!?
the "slavery" term used in the bible are basically prisoners of war. when america goes to fight isis and captures them, they are prisoners of war. in prison they do some sort of work for the country. then the israelites didnt have prisons, the prisoners of war were given to the people as workers, and they were to be treated fairly. an atheist thinks from his recent knowledge of the word slavery which is about black slaves who didnt plan to fight the west or never attacked the west and they were taken as slaves, and the atheist concludes thats what slavery is by definition so then the atheist concludes thats what slavery is in the bible. false logic by atheist.
@@thehonesttruth415 Did you even watch the video before trying to lie to me? The only slaves who were treated fairly were fellow Israelites. Those taken from other nations received no such treatment. Also, it explicitly states that it's okay to beat your slaves, as long as they manage to recover after a few days.
@@chloemoore6324 You do realize that daughters would be sold into indentured servitude, without having any actual work to do because marriage was actually more expensive than a contract of servitude right? Back then families pretty much married each-other through their kids too, Christianity didn't transform marriage into what it is today till later.
At around 13 mins you mention that the Bible says Hebrew slaves can go free after 6 years. But you cut the part about marriage and children that provided a loop hole and essentially forced the slave to say ”i love my master...” If the slave married while he was a slave, after six years if the slave wanted to leave, he had to leave his wife and kids because THEY remained the slave holders’ property. So it was either leave on your own or remain here and promise that you love your.master. This way they could keep slaves, even Hebrew slaves, for life. The religious guy didn't mention that but...pretty important.
It also lists 5 ways to escape slavery and how converting and changing nationality would free your debt. Then it gives an an example of zipporah doing this and later Ruth a moabite woman who was slave working for grains later be released married and later owning that field and later her down her line she had nobles and kings.
@Abigail Spence the kind of slavery is the same kind of slavery you your self participate in. POW and foreign workers. However unlike you they actually them more chances. For you to be as moral as them you would have extended the chance for citizenship for anyone you bought something off of from China. Even POWs were freed.
@Abigail Spence even if you do not your country does. If you ever bought from nestle, adidas, target, Mars, Hersey, walmart, nike, apple, android, ebay, amazon , banggood. Or If you ever get or use resources like gold, diamonds , talapia, rice etc. You are no different. I would be really intrested in what device you are sending that from.
@Abigail Spence doesn't matter. Almost all rely of Foriegn work and have prisoners of war. Even north korea can't even escape that cycle. America, Brazil, UK, Ireland, South Africa. Etc Again how are you typing this? What platform? Almost no platform is free. Both android, apple, HP, Asus, etc are all accused of the same thing. Are you completely self reliant on food? Even if so was there a time where you ever weren't?
@@sonicrocks2007 This are the rules of the Omnipotent God we are talking about not man or a just a country. Or are you trying to say does parts of the bible didn't come from God
I spit out my coffee on that...if there's anywhere that any form of slavery and torture that "safe and loving" someone let me know where that even exists on this planet or in this galaxy 😅
I mean, we are all created by God so in a way she is right he owns us he created us. Someone asked Jesus should we pay taxes to ceaser? And Jesus said give to ceaser what is his and give to God what is his.he means us because he created us in his image. Yes God does own us because he created us he could make us all die right now if he wanted to
Alot of slave owners in the bible weren’t cruel to their slaves and even if the bible talks about slavery it doesn’t mean it supports it like the slaves in egypt cried to God to save them from slavery and he saved them
When he brought up Exodus 21:5-6, I nearly jumped out my chair. He cut out two bits from the middle of that quote, which completely change the meaning of it from "A loophole to make temporary slaves into permanent ones" to the "slavery was consensual" quote that he wanted it to be. That was blatant lying by omission. That makes me mad.
I have watched a lot of his videos, but this one is very weird. I know it's a very old one, but I just didn't think that Alex could make such a rookie atheistic mistake of bringing up the slavery topic when it comes to the bible. If any atheist researched this in depth, I expected it would be Alex. I hope he's more mature now.
What kind of bullshit are you saying??? 1. Slavery is in the bible. 2. The bible--VERY EXPLICITLY--endorses/condones slavery ( Don't eat shellfish, that's BAD, but SLAVERY IS FINE, GOOD, OKAY and NORMAL. And (3) Alex IS EXACTLY QUOTING THE BIBLE AND SAYING EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. MORON, Be mature and GROE A PAIR of BALLS BIG ENOUGH to ACCEPT that you fucking evil and DISGUSTING book is PRO-SLAVERY!!! Dishonest piece of shit!!! @@ConsumeristScroffa
And all the beating to death of slaves. Although the Bible requires that your slave linger for a day or two for the slave owner to avoid punishment. As opposed to US slave law which had no such requirement. "If a person beats his male or female slave with a stick so severely that he dies, he is to be punished; except that if the slave lives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his property." www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21%3A20-21&version=CJB
@@broddr you know that that is also national law. Usually the Talmud and other sources says yes beating your slave is ok, but for offenses like Rape and Beastiality and Treason. Today we let them go or waterboard them. I am not sure how waterboarding and 25 year imprisonment compares to beating. The bible also gives 5 ways out of any "slave". Also remember there aren't really any "slaves" they are all foreign workers, prisoners of war or self indentured. Slavery was illegal for within the nation. That is why you have groups like Essenes who were the first abolistionists.
@@aguyithink4119 beating some for rape is against the geneva convention? Source please. Torture is but Corporal Punishment is allowed. Heck many european countries still have it schools. Corporal punishment isn't torture. And you know they could appeal decisions and run away too legally. What makes it less cruel then our failed jail systems or "enhanced interigation" techniques like water boarding. Also curious what your alternatives are. They are a tribe in the middle of the desert. No buildings and jails. They often did use public shaming and coorpral punishment for severe crimes but they could also appeal to judge or go to a sanctuary city. What would your suggestion be?
He has to go through the heavenly courts and have the angelic congress approve it....like it was a lot of work after all the homophobic laws he was sleepy
First of in Judeo Christian theology he did make immoral hence nemiah, Essene and Early Christian Community made slavery illegal 2300 years ago. And then later again 1700 years ago. You forget the first abolistionists were Judeo Christians
@@sonicrocks2007 And the most brutal slave owners were Christians aswell. Neither of them change the fact that slavery is condoned in the Bible. Have you even watched the video?
@@majestic-domination actually you look at history and that is false. Transatlantic slave trade was mostly the Irreligious and southern Americans and Africans. And comparing slavery in non-christian south America was farr worse. For instance life expectancy of slave in Brazil and Honduras was 8-20 years shorter. And if you watch the video he makes tons of mistakes and loses context and uses false premises. Also the Bible and interpretations of the Bible condone slavery. Because you lack reading or history for 2300 years doesn't mean it doesn't. That is why essenes the first group to ban all slaves and material possessions actually believed it based on the Bible. That is 2300 year old. Also whatever brutal slavery the Bible allows you are actually doing the same.
@@sonicrocks2007 You could be right, still doesn't change the fact that Christians did the slaves bad for thousands of years following the Bible. Whether they misinterpreted it or not is irrelevant. What was the false in the video? I have read most of those passages and their contexts myself. Everything is pretty much as Alex says in the video.
I was this guy once then a black woman showed me how I overlooked some scripture. I didn't stop believing or ever tell her she was right at that moment, and honestly that particular thing didn't make me stop believing but it was something among it somewhere.
An atheist attacking Christians based on lies about God condoning slavery? Laughable. Who owns the sex slaves today? *Atheists* ... Who controls the slave labour today? *Atheists* ... Who does that make a hypocrite? *Atheists* No further questions your honor...
@UC1AnWkErzT1gJul7wniv7LQ "community and support" Wrong the principal shit church teach is to ENDURE SUFFERING WITHOUT COMPLAIN OR FIGHTBACK that is why the roman Caesar force Christianity in all roman empire when he was losing control of Europe and also in America(the whole continents) the Europeans also force Christianity in indigenous people to make easier the subduing. Torquemada, a catholic priest, command to torture and kill millions of indigenous Mexicans to force Christianity. Religious exploited people doesn't complain they pray.
When I first started to question my faith in my religion it sickened me to realize I worshipped a god that welcomed a slave owner in heaven while casting in hell anyone that was gay regardless of how good they treated their fellow man.
@@lolaWWEWWFpunk I am officially at least Lebanese maronite Christian but I am an atheist with acknowledgement of some teaching of the Buddha but in Lebanon you can't be an atheist officially
@Atheist Deprogramming God is One. He has no son nor a begotten one. God is above everything you attribute to Him. Lol false prophet! Please. The prophecy in the Quran always came true while the bible didn't. I mean, Christians aren't following Jesus, y'all are just followers of Paul. With so much versions of your holy book, I don't think you should advocate your religion. Even the bible didnt name itself the bible nor did the bible give out the name Christianity in it. Your churches created the Trinity 200 years after the death of Jesus. So many mistakes and flaws. The only true MONOTHEISTIC religions are Islam & Judaism. So chile sit down.
"Armies of Bible scholars and theologians have for centuries found respected employment devising artful explanations of the Bible not really meaning what it says." J.S. Bullion, Jr.
@@rodrigolinscaldas3305 They're saying that since he already has all these other great qualities might as well throw in another one, that being his tall height.
Hahahahah!!🤣 As a christian myself i do not support slavery. And i admitted that there are certain practices written in the Bible that are no longer applicable today (especially Old testament) .
@@asathelogiclaman637 old testament rules was for Israel at that time and slavery was there because If u are in financial probelm , u will go to jail Nowdays but if u were in that time , u could be sold as salve to master and they will take care for u
@@jjj4189 fuck off slavery is never acceptable... Do know the amount of tortures and harm and sorrow that a slave has to go through and what people went throuh in the history??? Beleive me u are just justifying the bible in extream level thats illogical just to beleive in jesus.... Think for a moment why god didnt banned slaveryand not only that lol the bible is full of immoralities... How the fuck can you actually beleive its from god??? Your god not only condones slaver but allows to beat slaves as long as they dont die...only punishment for the dead slaves....your god killed childs..... Your gold told moses to save all the virgin gils for what????parenting them????? Fuck off man get out of this cult
It’s the same with the Koran - one keeps hearing how he who takes a life kills all mankind, but he who saves a life saves all mankind, but the previous verse makes it clear that it’s only Muslims who must not be killed and the subsequent verse says non-Muslims can be killed for ‘mischief making’.
The subsequent verses says those who attack you.. Quran 2:190 says we are only to fight those who strive to fight us. But do not transgress. But do read from 190 to 195 Quran 4:89-91 also speaks about being peaceful with those who make treaty with you And the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) has said something about "Who ever kills a person who is innocent won't smell the scent of paradise".. So yes our Quran doesn't speak about killing of innocent... Just don't CherryPick and you'll see.. Anyways our Quran as well doesn't speak about slavery the way the bible does. Ours is more of Maid-servant relationship.. And we feed them what we feed ourselves, clothe them what we clothe ourselves and give them their property once we freed them... I bet I'm going to get like a million haters underneath this comment because they won't agree that Islam prohibits the killing of innocent and even apostate ☺
RockedWow So The Koran May not say to kill an apostate. What does the Hadith say? Isn’t this like what the guy in the video does? He points to a certain set of verses that applies to HEBREW slaves while completely ignoring the many verses that apply to non-Hebrew slaves, which were treated very differently. What does the Hadith say about how to deal with an apostate of Islam? And does the things the Hadith say matter?
Thinking Brain its a regional specific difference. UK/Canada tend to say university for what the US refer to as college. But they’re all still schools!
@@meller7303 As a Canadian, I have heard some Americans say they go to college, and others say they go to University. Colleges tend to be smaller and focus more more on trades and skills. The U.S. has some of the finest Universities in the world, so why any students there would say they only go to college, I have no idea. But then I don't understand why they have allowed that orange haired orangutan to play and have temper tantrums for so long in the Oval Office either.
Walter White I’ve heard most Americans refer to schools where they learn trades as simply “trade schools”. A friend of mine from North Carolina mentioned this to me. Google “College Hockey” and you’ll notice the teams include Harvard ‘university’ and Colorado ‘College’. But both schools offer the same 4 year bachelors, not the 2 year program found at trade schools. College and university are used interchangeably in the states for the most part. Either way, it’s all just semantics. Colloquial use it is different for many words, and it doesn’t make that word better or worse, it’s simply used differently.
Given that this is the same god that nearly caused the extinction of all life because some humans didn't give him the worship he felt he deserved, I can see that.
As soon as you are old enough to understand and make a choice to follow or to turn away from God is when it determines where you go. I believe that if a newborn baby dies then he goes to heaven
@@swordthrower2035 well what if the baby wanted to live ? what if the baby was god incarante himself?why take away to place where iam mostly sure none knw even if it exists
Amazing how the Bible clearly defined the chosen people and the others as having extremely different laws and rules, yet Christians basically ignore it all
@Atheist Deprogramming So the Ten Commandments don’t apply? Come on, just because Paul didn’t want to keep kosher doesn’t mean everything else is off the books
@Atheist Deprogramming Your last two quotes seem to contradict each other. How can you fulfill the law if you’re not under the law? And Christians don’t observe the Sabbath? What is Sunday worship about then? Of course it’s all inconsequential since God does not exist, Jesus was just a radical apocalyptic preacher (one of many at that time) and the Bible is clearly written by men and NOT the “word of God”. The Old Testament is full of evil acts directed by God, including enslavement, genocide, infanticide,etc. The New Testament is full of contradictions and was written by Greek speaking people who never met Jesus and had different ideas about who Jesus was and what his crucifixion meant. Sorry
Matthew 23:3 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. Romans 2:13 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey(A) the law who will be declared righteous. The biblical Messiah taught the Law/Torah
@Atheist Deprogramming Thanks for your answer. Without wanting to offend and be arrogant, I tell you that I don't need to read those verses again. I have studied the Bible long enough to understand on this subject. 2 Peter 3:15-16 15 And understand that the patience of our Lord is for salvation; as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom that has been given him, has written to you, 16 almost in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; among which there are some difficult to understand, which the unlearned and inconstant twist, as well as the other Scriptures, to their own perdition. The same Paul tells about follow the Law in Romans 2:13 Romans 2:13 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey(A) the law who will be declared righteous. Revelations 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Greetings
“God knew that the hearts of men were evil...” These, by the way, we’re the very same hearts he created. He created their natures, and also the means by which those natures turned the hearts evil. As a matter of fact, god himself testified to creating evil: Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV) 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things. Also, Christians say man has gone against the will of god, but turn around and say that everything is in god’s plan. How can Christians, in light of the Bible and Christian philosophy, NOT hold god responsible for slavery?
God certainly creates evil, but it is not how you might think. God is the ultimate definition of "good", and without his existence, good and evil is impossible to philosophically or naturally justify. So everywhere that God is not, evil is. Simply by God existing, evil exists, and thus He creates evil but has no part in it. While God desires, all humans not to sin, to commune with, and to love him, he gave us free will to do the opposite. God gave us the choice to exist where He will not. If He is a perfectly good and just God, the only explanation for Him allowing evil (the rejection/absence of God), is because he loves us. When Christians say man "has gone against the will of God", they are referring to God's desire for that individual, not his will for the entire world in terms of progressing creation. If God exists as the Bible says he does (outside of this space-time universe), then this world and the entirety of the future was created in an instant and for all eternity. When Christians refer to everything being in God's plan, they (of course I don't speak for everybody because not everyone is on the same plane of understanding) mean that when God declares something will happen, no amount of fighting or resistance will stop it from happening. Regardless of our free will, what God has said will come to pass, will indeed come to pass through our free will, because from God's perspective outside of time, the future has already come to pass. He uses our freewill to accomplish his will for the world (not to be confused with his desires, also referred to as "will", for individual humans). This is also how he can have omniscience, omnipotence, perfect holiness (goodness), and perfect justice all simultaneously.
@@DefenderoftheCross Errr no, it's because I speak the original language, and don't need to rely on any specific translation. Only those English speaking theologians play those silly word games with "this and that" translation. There might be disagreements about the meanings of certain words or confusing phrasing, but these debates are a lot more comprehensive once you understand the language, and can address them in the original text. I don't need to dogmatically take the word of a translator.
@@keithwhitlock7021 וְגֹנֵב אִישׁ וּמְכָרוֹ וְנִמְצָא בְיָדוֹ, מוֹת יוּמָת. "He who stealeth a man, and selleth him, (*) shall be put to death". (*) may be: 1. and is caught in the act 2. and he (the man) is found in his (the kidnapper's) possession I lean more towards #1, as it seems a more "correct" sentence in structure, and is more in line with the kind of language that the bible is written in. Regardless, apart from the "וְנִמְצָא בְיָדוֹ", the rest is straightforward.
I am Greek. The first official translation of the Old Testament was in Greek. Then the Greek text was translated to all the other languages (fun fact: the Greek Orthodox Church claims that the Hebrew Bible is not godsend, go figure). So, the verse in the official Greek translation is 21:17, in the chapter "Laws about violence". And it says: ὃς ἐὰν κλέψῃ τίς τινα τῶν υἱῶν Ἰσραὴλ καὶ καταδυναστεύσας αὐτὸν ἀποδῶται, καὶ εὑρεθῇ ἐν αὐτῷ, θανάτῳ τελευτάτω. The person that steals one of the sons of Israel and dominates over him and sell him, if found guilty, will be put to death. The not-so-official translation to a bit more modern Greek, says the same. [Εκείνός που θα αρπάξη κρυφίως ένα Ισραηλίτην και τον βασανίση και τον πωλήση κατόπιν ως δούλον θα τιμωρήται με θάνατον, εάν αποδειχθή η ενοχή του.] The word steal (κλέψη) in Greek means "grab". You can steal money, but you can also steal people. It may very well mean kidnap. "If you grab one of your own and sell him as a slave, you are dead". Only men from other nations you are allowed to steal (grab, kidnap) and make slaves.
Maybe they dont understand that when you will beat them, you will make sure they recover after one or two days. Just tell them they will survive so no problem.
Not to mention the prenatal enslavement of the child conceived between slaves, which falls nothing short of involuntary captivity. Much “volition” considered.
He's defending it by showing it's not slavery as we know it. It's basically indentured servitude, or as we would practice today, employment. The only issues he has are semantics. "they're called slaves." In the biblical Hebrew, that word could mean slave as we know it, but it merely only refers to one who serves. So it can refer to an employee employer relationship or a prisoner captor relationship. You need context to figure out which it is taking about. "they're considered property." Property in that context doesn't refer to having full rights to the person to do as you please. There are many passages which say "do not treat your slaves harshly." They had laws against doing them harm. What they mean by calling them property is that they had full rights to the fruit of their labor. The same is considered with land property. They called it property, yet they also acknowledged all land rightfully belongs to God. So the land was their property only in the sense that they had rights to the fruit of the land they worked. So these objections are merely semantics and don't get to the underlining meaning of the statements.
chipan9191 You missed the beatings. In biblical times that meant the same as hugging. Don’t hug your employee properties so much that they die. Grrrr. Semantics!
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 the Bible was an ancient document written to a particular audience that is culturally different from us. Using cultural and historical context in exegesis is the normal scholarly way to conduct hermeneutics. And the beatings were allowed for discipline but regulated such that abuse was prohibited. That can be seen in the text requiring to give compensation for permanent damage.
Did you two even watch the whole video? One by one he deconstructs the arguements and points out the contradictions of what the man in the video claims, and what the bible actually says. That's what he does in all his videos, using the bible itself to show how hideous the bible actually is... and the bible IS hideous.
@@starverdict3246 it's just a fancy name for "slave."it's a word that people like yourself use to fit your narrative. Makes it sound just a little bit better.
You use whom when it is any sort of object of the sentence, who when it’s the subject. (In the phrase “Who notices”, who is the subject.) if you were to say “by whom it is noticed”, that would be correct
The card game is amazing, this part of RUclips is doing so much for everyone, fighting dangerous conspiracy theories, exposing dangerous cults and helping ex-members, while providing entertainment to literally milions. These things are what makes the world a better place
@THE GREEK CRAFT I don't get it. Dude you can't expect people to understand you if you're that vague. Do you think debunking conspiracy theories such as but not limited to Flat Earth, Anti-Vax is feeding people lies OR are you saying that saying that God doesn't exist is feeding people lies. Also, I'm open to having my mind changed, so if you have something to teach, go ahead. If you don't and you're doing this for the sake of being a dick to everyone with a different opinion then I'll pay you 100$ and kindly ask you to fuck off *EDIT:* You said you wrote something but I'm not going to read 1000 comments to find yours so feel free to copy and paste it in this discussion
@epitome Come on dude stop being a dick. You better not complain about him being intolerant of different opinions when you can't stand the fact someone is religious. I don't know where you're trying to get but it's not helping this discussion
I want to play with others in the chat room during shows such as Talk Heathen while callers are on the air (as if the callers are unwitting Bingo callers with different statements that the chatroom participants then identify as fallacies and compete to debunk. I suppose the first person to debunk 5 fallacies can type "Bingo" or maybe "Rationality Rules".)
@@ogantafia1944 It's down to 29% this year. Hitler and his party killed at most 20 million, how many have Christians killed? rationalwiki.org/wiki/Death_toll_of_Christianity It is good that that's the scariest book you can think of, if a little banal. There are far more dangerous books out there than Hitler's propaganda/journal. ruclips.net/video/GdyjN_zCO_M/видео.html
As a Filipino teen who lives with pretty dogmatic family members, its pretty sad that I always feel paranoid someone might overhear or see me watching your vids. Your channel is still one of my go-to-listens on my spare time. Thanks, Alex!
No, its not. It is an interesting book with some great stories in it. (And some boring ones too.) My parents didn't give a shit, I read it, i didn't turn christian. It is a powerless book, if you just view it as what it is: A Book. Without all of the indoctrination that you need to turn someone christian it is not dangerous.
If you wouldn't let a 7 year old watch a horror movie, you shouldn't let them read the book of Revelations which I read at that age and it was as scary as hell
@@instrumentofdivinejustice4570 so your God, who I assume you believe to be all powerful, is incapable of completely erasing evil as a concept...... Or he just doesn't want to (which makes him a big ass dickwad)....... Or he actually can't and isn't all powerful Do research and take a close look at your beliefs..... They don't make sense buddy
@@MLamar0612 have you ever sinned before? If yes, if God decided to "erase all evil." You'd be included. All sin is evil to God. It's not that God can't do it. It's that God is merciful and patient to those who did wrong. If God were to give us judgement, anyone who doesn't have a relationship with him will be left behind and sent straight to hell. Does that help? Hell is worst than Earth cuz it's eternity and all sinners will have their part in the lake of fire, which is worst than anything we can experience on Earth. Once Jesus comes back he will judge. God will create a new Heaven and a new Earth to those who believe. He will end all evil in the end, just hope he won't include you in that evil.
@@factsonly1486 I've never sinned before because Ive never thought it has actually ever existed..... Sin TO YOU and many other people around the world believe sin to be what god doesn't approve of...... "It's not that God can't do it. It's that God is merciful and patient to those who did wrong."-🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ it's like you didn't even read what I said. God is capable of completely removing the concept of evil from the face of reality but allows it to permeate the planet because he's so "merciful" and wants to flex his "mercy". Do you believe god to be perfectly merciful and perfectly just?? Do you think it's right or just to judge people for what they were predestined to be or do?? Do you believe it to be right to punish those for not believing or for finite crimes here on Earth for all eternity?? Yeah, sounds like YOUR god is evil and massively egotistical 💀
I remember one advent season many years ago, I attended one early morning mass, and the Leviticus passage was one of the readings. It was definitely confusing. Seems like 90% of the other attendees in the church weren't paying attention, though.
Any god who can command people not to eat pork and shellfish can devote some attention to forbidding slavery--among the many other things that a good being ought to advocate.
10:39 I see a mistake here. It says "leviticus 24:44-6" but there is not 44th verse in the 24th chapter of leviticus. The correct verse would be leviticus 25:44-46.
They only say that the Bible doesn’t support slavery because the modern society doesn’t accept or support it 😂😂 They change and twist the interpretations of the Bible as they see fit... So oblivious and ignorant. I’m still watching by the way 😋😋😂😂
Anal Jihad They don’t need to change it because all they need to do is to confuse people by misinterpreting it and there is no shortage of people who are willing to be wilfully misguided with no urge to question anything they were presented. They would condemn a man in a dress but they’re happy to be wilfully twisting the interpretation of the Bible on supporting slavery, simply because they don’t like it, when in reality a dress has no gender! It’s a piece of fabric! And it’s the fact! 😋😋😂😂
All you have to do is believe that Jesus fulfilled the Law. Boom. All of the Old Testament Laws disappear as they are transferred into Jesus. No more hating anyone, slaves, or all the Old Testament Greatest Hits of Bible Bashing. If the translation is not in error in the meanings of what Jesus did? Then any Christian who holds to the Old Testament as the Will and Law of God? Is doing it wrong. Thus the Old Testament becomes a reference document of the Old Ways and how things rolled - followed by the Reformer - and then the future that was meant to be had after the Reformation.
They do this quite often. They try using context and say it's unacceptable now, but then why do they condemn homosexuality or sex before marriage? Times have changed, haven't they? They only use modern society to benefit them and their morals, not when it affects other people. I saw a video by a channel call Girl Defined and they outright stated that braids may have been prohibited in the bible, but it's fine because times have changed. Again, it's only to benefit them.
I'd like to add a passage that actually was mentioned here, but the specific part I'm interested in, was passed by - perhaps because it wasn't 100% on topic in that exact instance. How ever, I'd argue that whenever we're talking about slavery in the bible and the "benevolence" and "wisdom" christans ascribe to their god, as well as the distinction that's made in the bible between the treatment of jewish slaves and slaves of other nations and groups of people, this specific passage should be highlighted and put on the table for discussion. Now, my bible isn't one of the english translations (since I'm not english), but the verses and chapters are the same. I'll provide my own a translation from my language to english, but I'd sugest any one who finds this as interesting as me should go and read it for themselves in whatever translation of the bible they may prefer. Exodus 21:2-6 2. If you buy a hebrew slave, he shall serve for 6 years, bhut on the seventh year he shall be set free without paying. 3. If he came alone, then he shall be freed alone. If he was married, then his wife shall be freed with him. 4. If his master _gave_ _to_ _him_ _a_ _wife_ , and she's born to him sons or daughters, then the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and the man alone shall be freed. 5. But of the slave says: "I have great love for my master, my wife, and my children, and therefor do not wish to be freed", 6. then his master shall take him infront of God and put him by the door or the doorpost, and his master shall spike awl through his ear. He will then be his slave forever. What's noteworthy here is a couple of things that combined doesn't paint the prettiest of pictures, in my opinion. It's verses 4-6. First, note that it doesn't say that the slave has taken for himself a wife, but that the owner has "given to him a wife". Next, note that the wife and children isn't to be let free, they will continue to be the property of the slave owner. - Now contemplate the circumstances under which the man is offered to "choose" to stay a slave or to be set free. He can choose to leave his family in bondage and be on his unmarry way, or he can stay with his family. Now add to this the power of the owner: it is _he_ who's paired this man up with a woman. Regardless of the wishes of either the male or the female slave. Isn't that just a perfect coinsidence for a slave owner who has no real interest in being a slave short after six years? Then we have verse 6 that's just .... well, I don't really know what to say about it because it's not very specific, though at the same time earily so: This spikeing, or piercing, or skewering of the slaves ear. Read in my languange, it's impossible to know for certain, but the wording that's used indicates a practice that would at the least make the man deaf. Though it could, if one were to read it with a good portion of benefit of the doubt, as mearly a practice that would give the man a badly disfigured ear. No where does it specify the size or kind of awl that's to be used. Niether does it specify where or how the ear is to be spiked - are we talking about a minor prick in the lower part of the outer ear - suitable for an chick earring. Or, are we talking about straight in to the ear canal? Or something inbetween? As with the majority of this collection of texts that's called the bible, I find that the passages that actually give the case for gods benevolence and morality is far between and drowned in the abundance of the contrary. Yes, people tend to cherry-pick, but I'd argue that the amount of self-deceit it takes to cherry-pick in a poisoned orchard when there's a fully healthy one just one field over, is indeed not only unwise but indicative of something inherently harmful and unhealthy. To finish off: If anyone's taken the time and effort to read this far: Thank you and I hope you found it worth while! Also, I'd highly recomend you to read Exodus 21:7-11 (i.e. the verses following directly upon those mentioned above). In which we get to enjoy the benevolence of God towards hebrew women. Yeah ... benevolence ... or...? Thanks again to anyone's taken the time, and Cheers! =)
@Ever Boy Well, viewed that video! Do you think he's debunked the arguments cosmic skeptic tabled?? Pls reply I wonder do his(Whaddo's) counterclaims stand.
@@vladimirjosh6575 he more than just debunked it. You have to be a complete and utter moron to not see the blatant dishonesty of this cosmic skeptic bastard.
The South actually took a lot of it's laws directly from the bible. That biblical slavery was somehow better than African slavery is wrong in every way. African slavery was inspired by biblical slavery.
Fun fact:In my country(Russia)orthodox Christians refer to themselves and each other as “gods slave *insert name”. Heard this since childhood,but only now I fully realise how weird it actually is.
@@pavlekovacevic5787 In prayers.Like “blessed be gods slave *insert name” I’m not a good translator and I haven’t heard prayers in a long time but yeah that’s how it goes
Thank you CosmicSkeptic for simply being and continuing to make content. If you can relate information that keeps just one child from the slavery of religion itself and inspires their mind to search out truth through their own experiments and life experience, rather than the governing force of religion, then you are an emancipator and an educator.
I'm (NOT) going to read thru 4.5K comments, but I am assuming the (palm to face) irony of a black man defending slavery is likely mentioned / addressed about 4.4K times in this comments thread.
I've had this same argument with Jews, they make the same ad hoc like excuses. Thank you for covering this topic and the distinction of the different treatment of certain tribes
@@MrMooid Well his objection claiming the entire argument that Alex makes should be completely dismissed based on Alex's morality beliefs is initially tempting to agree. However Alex never brings his morality into this video and rightfully so since slavery has been abolished in many places democratically. I think it's reasonable that since Alex didn't approach it using his moral beliefs, you cannot rebut it based on that.
@@dominicferreira9900 well I think the this was brought up as Alex was trying to highlight the fact the the Bible was not moral. The question then is, if the Bible is not moral, on what moral basis are you making this claim. But let's set aside Alex's morality for the time being, is the rest of the arguments presented valid or not and why?
Some very good points . Part where you mentioned about the Ten Commandments the only “regulation” was to “not do it” is incorrect. Most of them were either to be put to death or exiled from the community
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." "I came not to bring peace, but a sword." "Not one jot or tittle of my Father's word shall pass from the law until Heaven and Earth shall pass away." And "neighbor" can mean anything you want. The person next door, or just the people you associate with--or just the members of your own religion. If you knew anything about the translations, you'd see that, but you don't. I can sling stupid Bible quotes with the best of you.
If I made a rule saying you are not allowed to shoot your co-workers However, your Asian co-workers you may shoot, then you can't go back to the original Rule and say that means you can't shoot the Asians. It's specifically gives you instructions on how you may treat your servants as well as your slaves. Love Thy Neighbor did not apply to slaves. Read your Bible because it's immoral as fuck. And it's pathetic the cherry picking you do to try and justify it. Christians constantly say that atheists are cherry-picking, but If I pointed to the Holocaust and said look at the good shit that Hitler did, would you come back and say but look at all the nice stuff that you are ignoring? I'm completely fine with the fact that there are good things in the Bible but it does not matter. It does not matter if everything in the Bible is good and the Bible support slavery. That automatically makes it immoral. There is nothing in the Bible that can be considered good, that you cannot achieve through secular means. I'm embarrassed for people like you. How someone can support something so clearly evil, is pathetic
@@thickerconstrictor9037 thank you for actually having common sense. I’m an ex christian and I used to cherry pick all the time. good is a base standard, we expect the Bible to be good. if there is even ONE immoral thing in the Bible, the whole Bible is invalidated
@@thesecondcoming000 the bible still doesn't allow slavery. Dispite this whole video. It allows foreigner worker, prisoners of war, and self indentured. But then it also gives them away out. In terms of the beating etc the Talmud then clarifies that is for crimes like theft, Beastiality , treason and rape. Here we believe an appropriate punishment is also waterboarding and physical torture for treason. So we haven't changed much. We also use foreign workers, prisoners of war and self indentured loans are way worse.
Exodus 21:16, “ He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.” Also Deuteronomy 23:15-16 which says “You shall not give back to his master the slave who has escaped from his master to you. He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; you shall not oppress him.” The verse clearly oppose slavery, the slavery that was allowed would be people selling themselves to have food and shelter for them and there families in exchange for labor, but if the conditions were too bad at all then they could just run away and you were commanded to give them a place wherever that they please with you. And no man could kidnap and sell a person lawfully without the death penalty- like modern day slavery.
@@macumus >The verse clearly oppose slavery It absolutely doesn't in any way whatsoever. It was illegal to kidnap people in the American south during the height of African slavery as well. In fact it was illegal just to kidnpa people in ANY society that practiced slavery. If you had actually read the bible rather than just parroting apologists, you'd know that the Pentateuch is totally unambigous in encouraging slavery. And Yahwe encourages and aids his people, Moses, Aaron etc in committing genocide and taking slaves.
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looking forward to this
about what?
Supporting governments that impose an income tax supports slavery as well. Wake up, STatheists.
A talk with AronRa would be fun
Get prince EA on the podcast.
I missed you, you well articulated bastard.
i farted during reading your comment :)
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Well put.
That means that he has two or more sections connected by a flexible joint.
Oh my God.
I got triggered af at "god regulated slavery, because he knew men were evil".
The amount of hoops your brain has to flop through to be alright with that argument is CRAZY!
Erik Nelson They don’t want anything to end their comforting fiction of heaven after death.
Erik Nelson god isn’t real
This thought process and argument from Believers is pathetic. If there is a God he would know that all of his rules, people would still do it. A God would know people are still going to eat shellfish and wear mixed Fabrics. What I would expect to see if the Bible were written by man pretending to be God, would be allowing slavery as we see. What I would expect from a real MORAL God, would be thou shalt not own another human being as property. people still attempting to justify the Bible and slavery is pathetic. There is no context there is no excuse. The Bible is filled with immoral bullshit. They have failed to justify the belief in a God for 2k years. They use awful arguments filled with fallacies, circular reasoning, and God of the gaps. It's pathetic. It's embarrassing, it's a joke.
Stig Weard by Orin’s beard you’re right! Mentioning a things name means you automatically believe the thing is real! How could it be any other way?
What, maybe people use colloquialisms because they’re common phrases and language is a thing people learn from other people? And just because the way people say “I am upset by these things” is currently, “oh my *insert name here”* doesn’t mean that there’s belief, or even much thought, behind those words?
Great Googly-Moogly, Batman, what a hot take.
/s obviously. How anyone still thinks saying God’s name means something when it’s so culturally ingrained to say religious things that we say ‘bless you’ when we sneeze is a mystery to me.
Stig Weard this is my gift to you:
/s
I only have one to spare, use it well
Wait... my boss isn't allowed to mercilessly beat me? I really got to find a new job.
@Michael Driggers I know right? It's still awful even if this was referring to indentured servitude. If I am only working for you as an employee to pay out a debt, why in the hell would I allow you to beat me and why would you even think you could? It makes no sense either way.
My job requires me to be beaten by my boss. 👅👅👅🤑😘
@@doctorpurple5173 ...well...If you like that sorta thang...🤪
@@iamvickie9145 I certainly do
Rebuttal video: ruclips.net/video/o6sTsoGNqe8/видео.html
“proper treatment of slaves”
Biggest oxymoron I have heard
Remember slaves also translates to worker. And you also don't treat slaves good. So there is that.
@@sonicrocks2007 can you send a link to where u found that out at
@@FINESTGAMER100 according to strong translation δοῦλος (doulos). Can translate to slave, servant, maid and can also be voluntary. So voluntary workers are considered doulos.
The hebrew word עֶ֫בֶד (e.ved) translates according LSJ dictionary, as worker, worshipper, maid, servant, priest or prophet
Both (e.ved) and (doulos) are used a lot in context to refer to Christians and Jews. When talking about actual slaves. Remember that Israel was in slavery when It was happening and had stricter laws about servants and had ways to release them unlike the other nations. And the servants were Foriegn. Just like how America uses china. however unlike Americans using the Chinese or indian workers . Servants could convert to ones nationality and religion and be freed from all debts every 7 years and were paid appropriately. That system I would say is more civilized then America where you can get 25 year college loan debts. And we do not pay our need for Foriegn workers at the same rate as US workers.
Not really. The bible itself commands people to treat slaves properly, forbidding them from oppressing them or threatening them, telling people to treat the slaves as the slaves are to treat them, and telling them to let slaves live and work wherever they want.
@@Vic2point0 and it provides way to get out of all financial debt and free your children every 7 years unlike america.
"I talk loudly, therefor I am right."
Shen Bapiro Disorder on prominent display here, folks.
That's why Christians use all caps lol
PrydeOW im a Christian and I personally fine people who do that annoying
@@swordthrower2035 You shouldn't fine anyone! are you some sort of governing body?
Skye O'Sullivan im sorry i don’t understand what you mean. All i said was i find people who talk in all caps annoying
Welcome back my fellow heathen, we truly missed you.
Repent and turn to Christ Jesus before it is too late. For after this comes the JUDGMENT. Christ died for your sins and rose on the third day, showing that anyone who trusts in him for salvation, will have everlasting life.
@@charlie4christ536 *Ok* *Charlie* XD
Charlie - was Nero the antichrist, or not? How many are familiar with Matthew 21:43? Without that, the whole 'this generation will not pass until these things are fulfilled' line will be confusion, perhaps?
@@charlie4christ536 Big sacrifice, dies on a Friday and rises on a Sunday that is two days tops. Maybe takes a brief tour of Hell and comes back to be right hand man of the ruler of the universe for eternity. Not a bad gig if it was real.
Charlie4Christ dont do that
your forcing your religion on him
As a black person it just pains me to see anyone, let alone another black man defending the bibles clear facilitation of slavery. Thats like some serious Stockholm syndrome
@James Hitch. lol
Watch this rebuttal. ruclips.net/video/pERsLtciNhY/видео.html
I'm black but I have a good understanding that bondservants were not the same as African slaves to the Europeans!!!!!!!!!!
@@ccookRomans so you support slavery as a black man?
@@prydeow9101 Did you not read my comment?
Feels like bible was written by one of my highschool bullies who grew up and justified every deed and bent rules for their advantage to keep exploiting other colleagues.
Yes like he saw stupid people who didn't know how to think and decided to exploit them by cooking up some heaven hell and sin saving story
God is evil pretending to be good, that's what the bible portrays
A Christian cherry picking from the Bible? Who could have imagined such a thing!
Not me lol
Not him lol
Edward Siegel so Christians are “criminals” just because they believe a higher being instead of everything coming from nothing?
But cherries are nice tho ;-;
@@lordcole5138 intellectual criminals, as I stated. but also fraudsters and dupes if you read the entire comment. It's true because I believe it and I have faith in my opinion. lol.
As it has been stated often: It was the bible that turned me into an atheist.
This topic of slavery and others convinced me that the books of the bible were written by men claiming to speak for a god.
I'm black but I have a good understanding that bondservants were not the same as African slaves to the Europeans!!!!!!!!!!
ccook you are partially correct. If you keep reading your bible you will discover that the Israelites were instructed to take perpetual slaves from the surrounding nations.
@@chasson321 I never disagreed with that. These are called "bondservants". Prisoner-servants! I just disagree with anyone that think that this is the same thing as the European and African treatment!
ccook2010 Romans 1:16 They weren’t prisoner servants when taken from Africa? They were taken prisoner & were made to be servants. The mental gymnastics are fucking insane with you people 🤦♂️
That's why you need JESUS to understand BIBLE.
Ah verse cherry picking, they're great at that
Yeah, atheists are great at that.
@@cjames9320 no no. The bible thumpers are the ones that cherry pick what they want to hear out of their holy book. Us Atheists just point out how bullshit your holy book is.
@Michael Agbonkpolor he won't watch that because like most atheist, they refuse to accept anything that would shatter their worldview and hurt their feelings. Weak atheists stay deluded til you get what's coming for you. Enjoy getting roasted in hell for eternity.
@@jacobside2656 you point out the best quality cherry that you picked. Enjoy your time on earth while you still can because you sure won't enjoy your time in the afterlife while your ass is getting roasted for eternity.
@@cjames9320
There are plenty of immoral verses in the bible to cherry pick from.
"God did not create slavery, he regulated it" I just about fell off my chair on that one. Had to stop the video for a minute.
But God created everything right? He has perfect knowledge? If so he created a world that he knew would contain it.
@@AdvancedSquadLeader That's right. If an omniscient god created the universe, it knew precisely what would happen.
God was not a slaver he just explained good economic practices when dealing with forced unpaid labor....come on guys have faith
I think the correct term is "being voluntold"
@@jaebird3077 U are joking right? Why would he say how to treat a slave when he didnt approve of it. Thats like god writing a step to step guide on how to hook up with girls even though he disaproves of it.
He protecc
He attacc
But most importantly
He bacc
You mean
"He protecc
He attacc
But most importantly
He's bacc"
@XY ZW
It sounds better if "protecc" is first.
@@AlastorsShadowDemon That's right.
Because attacc and bacc rhyme
and then you switch the order it doesn't rhyme
so it doesn't sound right
Alright I changed it for you guys
"God gives humanity a choice."
Said choice being that of blind obedience and unquestioning faith that everything God does is right and perfect, or being eternally tortured for having the audacity to ask questions and exercise free will.
How the hell does that NOT sound like slavery to you people!?
the "slavery" term used in the bible are basically prisoners of war. when america goes to fight isis and captures them, they are prisoners of war. in prison they do some sort of work for the country. then the israelites didnt have prisons, the prisoners of war were given to the people as workers, and they were to be treated fairly. an atheist thinks from his recent knowledge of the word slavery which is about black slaves who didnt plan to fight the west or never attacked the west and they were taken as slaves, and the atheist concludes thats what slavery is by definition so then the atheist concludes thats what slavery is in the bible. false logic by atheist.
@@thehonesttruth415 Did you even watch the video before trying to lie to me? The only slaves who were treated fairly were fellow Israelites. Those taken from other nations received no such treatment. Also, it explicitly states that it's okay to beat your slaves, as long as they manage to recover after a few days.
@@thehonesttruth415 Exodus 21:7, 8. Sexual slavery being condoned in the bible. Disgusting.
because you can just reject all the concept of it. Not allowing punishment nor reward (if there is any).
@@chloemoore6324 You do realize that daughters would be sold into indentured servitude, without having any actual work to do because marriage was actually more expensive than a contract of servitude right? Back then families pretty much married each-other through their kids too, Christianity didn't transform marriage into what it is today till later.
At around 13 mins you mention that the Bible says Hebrew slaves can go free after 6 years. But you cut the part about marriage and children that provided a loop hole and essentially forced the slave to say ”i love my master...” If the slave married while he was a slave, after six years if the slave wanted to leave, he had to leave his wife and kids because THEY remained the slave holders’ property. So it was either leave on your own or remain here and promise that you love your.master. This way they could keep slaves, even Hebrew slaves, for life. The religious guy didn't mention that but...pretty important.
It also lists 5 ways to escape slavery and how converting and changing nationality would free your debt. Then it gives an an example of zipporah doing this and later Ruth a moabite woman who was slave working for grains later be released married and later owning that field and later her down her line she had nobles and kings.
@Abigail Spence the kind of slavery is the same kind of slavery you your self participate in. POW and foreign workers. However unlike you they actually them more chances. For you to be as moral as them you would have extended the chance for citizenship for anyone you bought something off of from China. Even POWs were freed.
@Abigail Spence even if you do not your country does.
If you ever bought from nestle, adidas, target, Mars, Hersey, walmart, nike, apple, android, ebay, amazon , banggood. Or If you ever get or use resources like gold, diamonds , talapia, rice etc. You are no different.
I would be really intrested in what device you are sending that from.
@Abigail Spence doesn't matter. Almost all rely of Foriegn work and have prisoners of war. Even north korea can't even escape that cycle. America, Brazil, UK, Ireland, South Africa. Etc
Again how are you typing this? What platform? Almost no platform is free. Both android, apple, HP, Asus, etc are all accused of the same thing.
Are you completely self reliant on food? Even if so was there a time where you ever weren't?
@@sonicrocks2007 This are the rules of the Omnipotent God we are talking about not man or a just a country. Or are you trying to say does parts of the bible didn't come from God
"The only proper treatment of slaves is their freedom." Very well said.
"The safe and loving environment of slavery". WOW. That guy has that statement on permanent record and has to live with that.
I spit out my coffee on that...if there's anywhere that any form of slavery and torture that "safe and loving" someone let me know where that even exists on this planet or in this galaxy 😅
On monday i was on a funeral, the priest sayed "she was owned by god, we all are a property of god" i dont accept slavery of any kind!
I would have told the priest to shut up.
@@yungalter8765 That's why I don't attend funerals anymore.
We're all adopted by God, not necessarily property of him....that priest is corrupt
@@connorbyrd3524 the entire religion is corrupt
I mean, we are all created by God so in a way she is right he owns us he created us. Someone asked Jesus should we pay taxes to ceaser? And Jesus said give to ceaser what is his and give to God what is his.he means us because he created us in his image. Yes God does own us because he created us he could make us all die right now if he wanted to
"The Bible's not racist, EVERYONE can be a slave!!!!" 🤦♀️
...Yay?
Well it's not. Have you read it????
@@ccookRomans that means the bible supports slavery?
@@alanthampi4718 Your point is????? Are you referring to the same exact thing that the Europeans did you the Africans????
Alot of slave owners in the bible weren’t cruel to their slaves and even if the bible talks about slavery it doesn’t mean it supports it like the slaves in egypt cried to God to save them from slavery and he saved them
When he brought up Exodus 21:5-6, I nearly jumped out my chair. He cut out two bits from the middle of that quote, which completely change the meaning of it from "A loophole to make temporary slaves into permanent ones" to the "slavery was consensual" quote that he wanted it to be. That was blatant lying by omission. That makes me mad.
I have watched a lot of his videos, but this one is very weird. I know it's a very old one, but I just didn't think that Alex could make such a rookie atheistic mistake of bringing up the slavery topic when it comes to the bible. If any atheist researched this in depth, I expected it would be Alex. I hope he's more mature now.
@@ConsumeristScroffa could you elaborate how the argument for slavery in the bible is a wrong one to use?
What kind of bullshit are you saying??? 1. Slavery is in the bible. 2. The bible--VERY EXPLICITLY--endorses/condones slavery ( Don't eat shellfish, that's BAD, but SLAVERY IS FINE, GOOD, OKAY and NORMAL. And (3) Alex IS EXACTLY QUOTING THE BIBLE AND SAYING EXACTLY WHAT IT SAYS. MORON, Be mature and GROE A PAIR of BALLS BIG ENOUGH to ACCEPT that you fucking evil and DISGUSTING book is PRO-SLAVERY!!! Dishonest piece of shit!!! @@ConsumeristScroffa
Slavery-Lite. Half the calories; all the subjugation.
@Vladimir_Bone Spur_tRump
And, the funny thing is, Prager is jewish.
And all the beating to death of slaves. Although the Bible requires that your slave linger for a day or two for the slave owner to avoid punishment. As opposed to US slave law which had no such requirement.
"If a person beats his male or female slave with a stick so severely that he dies, he is to be punished;
except that if the slave lives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his property."
www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21%3A20-21&version=CJB
@@broddr you know that that is also national law. Usually the Talmud and other sources says yes beating your slave is ok, but for offenses like Rape and Beastiality and Treason.
Today we let them go or waterboard them. I am not sure how waterboarding and 25 year imprisonment compares to beating.
The bible also gives 5 ways out of any "slave". Also remember there aren't really any "slaves" they are all foreign workers, prisoners of war or self indentured. Slavery was illegal for within the nation. That is why you have groups like Essenes who were the first abolistionists.
@@sonicrocks2007 Oh well thank god it was only a violation of the Geneva convention
@@aguyithink4119 beating some for rape is against the geneva convention? Source please. Torture is but Corporal Punishment is allowed. Heck many european countries still have it schools.
Corporal punishment isn't torture.
And you know they could appeal decisions and run away too legally.
What makes it less cruel then our failed jail systems or "enhanced interigation" techniques like water boarding.
Also curious what your alternatives are. They are a tribe in the middle of the desert. No buildings and jails. They often did use public shaming and coorpral punishment for severe crimes but they could also appeal to judge or go to a sanctuary city. What would your suggestion be?
So the all powerful god really wanted to make a law against slavery but it he was unable to.
He has to go through the heavenly courts and have the angelic congress approve it....like it was a lot of work after all the homophobic laws he was sleepy
First of in Judeo Christian theology he did make immoral hence nemiah, Essene and Early Christian Community made slavery illegal 2300 years ago. And then later again 1700 years ago.
You forget the first abolistionists were Judeo Christians
@@sonicrocks2007 And the most brutal slave owners were Christians aswell. Neither of them change the fact that slavery is condoned in the Bible. Have you even watched the video?
@@majestic-domination actually you look at history and that is false.
Transatlantic slave trade was mostly the Irreligious and southern Americans and Africans. And comparing slavery in non-christian south America was farr worse. For instance life expectancy of slave in Brazil and Honduras was 8-20 years shorter.
And if you watch the video he makes tons of mistakes and loses context and uses false premises.
Also the Bible and interpretations of the Bible condone slavery. Because you lack reading or history for 2300 years doesn't mean it doesn't. That is why essenes the first group to ban all slaves and material possessions actually believed it based on the Bible. That is 2300 year old.
Also whatever brutal slavery the Bible allows you are actually doing the same.
@@sonicrocks2007 You could be right, still doesn't change the fact that Christians did the slaves bad for thousands of years following the Bible. Whether they misinterpreted it or not is irrelevant.
What was the false in the video? I have read most of those passages and their contexts myself. Everything is pretty much as Alex says in the video.
An Afro-american defending slavery... That is just grotesque.
I was this guy once then a black woman showed me how I overlooked some scripture. I didn't stop believing or ever tell her she was right at that moment, and honestly that particular thing didn't make me stop believing but it was something among it somewhere.
An atheist attacking Christians based on lies about God condoning slavery? Laughable.
Who owns the sex slaves today?
*Atheists* ...
Who controls the slave labour today?
*Atheists* ...
Who does that make a hypocrite?
*Atheists*
No further questions your honor...
@VideoAudioDisco09 reality is kinda boring sometimes. Definitely at work on a slow day lol
@@peli_candude554 wtf are you smoking??
@UC1AnWkErzT1gJul7wniv7LQ
"community and support" Wrong the principal shit church teach is to ENDURE SUFFERING WITHOUT COMPLAIN OR FIGHTBACK that is why the roman Caesar force Christianity in all roman empire when he was losing control of Europe and also in America(the whole continents) the Europeans also force Christianity in indigenous people to make easier the subduing.
Torquemada, a catholic priest, command to torture and kill millions of indigenous Mexicans to force Christianity.
Religious exploited people doesn't complain they pray.
When I first started to question my faith in my religion it sickened me to realize I worshipped a god that welcomed a slave owner in heaven while casting in hell anyone that was gay regardless of how good they treated their fellow man.
Out of curiosity, what religion do you follow now? Or you just don't believe in religion anymore?
@@lolaWWEWWFpunk if he is religious probably an Asian one"shinto, buddhism, taoism" or spiritual but most likely atheist. You?
@@elie6769 I am a muslim. What about you?
@@lolaWWEWWFpunk I am officially at least Lebanese maronite Christian but I am an atheist with acknowledgement of some teaching of the Buddha but in Lebanon you can't be an atheist officially
@Atheist Deprogramming God is One. He has no son nor a begotten one. God is above everything you attribute to Him. Lol false prophet! Please. The prophecy in the Quran always came true while the bible didn't. I mean, Christians aren't following Jesus, y'all are just followers of Paul. With so much versions of your holy book, I don't think you should advocate your religion. Even the bible didnt name itself the bible nor did the bible give out the name Christianity in it. Your churches created the Trinity 200 years after the death of Jesus. So many mistakes and flaws. The only true MONOTHEISTIC religions are Islam & Judaism. So chile sit down.
one of my favorite channels. beautifully eloquent and brutally logical
before you make up your mind you should listen with an open mind to the response. ruclips.net/video/pERsLtciNhY/видео.html
"Armies of Bible scholars and theologians have for centuries found respected employment devising artful explanations of the Bible not really meaning what it says." J.S. Bullion, Jr.
I WAS WAITING FOR YOU TO UPLOAD YOU BEAUTIFUL 5’11 BEAST
@@guardianvalor962 a daddy
@@rodrigolinscaldas3305 They're saying that since he already has all these other great qualities might as well throw in another one, that being his tall height.
Does he say that he’s 5’ 11” in the video?
Thinking Brain me too . Built an 8 foot tall , salty-ass robot .
Yakib he was gone for so long you converted to that cringe oh yea yea meme
"Oh I'm a Christian! I'm going to go out into the field of the Bible and pick Cherries today!!!"
Hahahahah!!🤣
As a christian myself i do not support slavery. And i admitted that there are certain practices written in the Bible that are no longer applicable today (especially Old testament) .
@@catmeme7945 lol so u are basically correcting your god...good job...your god needs to learn to lot more before settinag morals for humans
@@asathelogiclaman637 old testament rules was for Israel at that time and slavery was there because
If u are in financial probelm , u will go to jail Nowdays but if u were in that time , u could be sold as salve to master and they will take care for u
@@jjj4189 fuck off slavery is never acceptable... Do know the amount of tortures and harm and sorrow that a slave has to go through and what people went throuh in the history??? Beleive me u are just justifying the bible in extream level thats illogical just to beleive in jesus....
Think for a moment why god didnt banned slaveryand not only that lol the bible is full of immoralities... How the fuck can you actually beleive its from god???
Your god not only condones slaver but allows to beat slaves as long as they dont die...only punishment for the dead slaves....your god killed childs.....
Your gold told moses to save all the virgin gils for what????parenting them?????
Fuck off man get out of this cult
@@LARISSA.KAY. No, the Old Testament don’t apply to us
It breaks my heart that a black man living in the US is defending slavery
samii those women are paid and it’s their job you fucking idiot
In tears
he’s a c**n, I don’t feel sorry for him. He has a part in our oppression.
Stockholm syndrome
Bible: hippity hoppity become my property
Christian: well you see it’s very complicated
Well played!
Jordan Petersson: Well, it depends on what you mean by property. Is it women or a slave?
LOOOOOL
@@igamingmp1526 😂😂😂
No
It’s the same with the Koran - one keeps hearing how he who takes a life kills all mankind, but he who saves a life saves all mankind, but the previous verse makes it clear that it’s only Muslims who must not be killed and the subsequent verse says non-Muslims can be killed for ‘mischief making’.
It's kind of ironic that the biggest danger to a Muslim is another Muslim
The subsequent verses says those who attack you..
Quran 2:190 says we are only to fight those who strive to fight us. But do not transgress.
But do read from 190 to 195
Quran 4:89-91 also speaks about being peaceful with those who make treaty with you
And the Prophet Muhammad(PBUH) has said something about "Who ever kills a person who is innocent won't smell the scent of paradise".. So yes our Quran doesn't speak about killing of innocent... Just don't CherryPick and you'll see.. Anyways our Quran as well doesn't speak about slavery the way the bible does. Ours is more of Maid-servant relationship.. And we feed them what we feed ourselves, clothe them what we clothe ourselves and give them their property once we freed them...
I bet I'm going to get like a million haters underneath this comment because they won't agree that Islam prohibits the killing of innocent and even apostate ☺
And show me your proof if you're to be truthful ☺
RockedWow
So The Koran May not say to kill an apostate. What does the Hadith say?
Isn’t this like what the guy in the video does? He points to a certain set of verses that applies to HEBREW slaves while completely ignoring the many verses that apply to non-Hebrew slaves, which were treated very differently.
What does the Hadith say about how to deal with an apostate of Islam? And does the things the Hadith say matter?
Islam’s Denise the menace gets dark 😂
Ok this may seem unrelated but I can’t help but notice his Star Wars poster in the back says “A New Ho” instead of “A New Hope” because it’s cut off.
I bet this was on purpose
Welcome back! Hope school is going well Alex !
Thinking Brain if we’re being specific, he goes to Oxford University* not college
Thinking Brain its a regional specific difference. UK/Canada tend to say university for what the US refer to as college. But they’re all still schools!
@@meller7303 As a Canadian, I have heard some Americans say they go to college, and others say they go to University. Colleges tend to be smaller and focus more more on trades and skills. The U.S. has some of the finest Universities in the world, so why any students there would say they only go to college, I have no idea. But then I don't understand why they have allowed that orange haired orangutan to play and have temper tantrums for so long in the Oval Office either.
Walter White I’ve heard most Americans refer to schools where they learn trades as simply “trade schools”. A friend of mine from North Carolina mentioned this to me.
Google “College Hockey” and you’ll notice the teams include Harvard ‘university’ and Colorado ‘College’. But both schools offer the same 4 year bachelors, not the 2 year program found at trade schools.
College and university are used interchangeably in the states for the most part.
Either way, it’s all just semantics. Colloquial use it is different for many words, and it doesn’t make that word better or worse, it’s simply used differently.
@@meller7303 Isn't it that universities are usually more focused on research than colleges, which focus on teaching?
God is omnipotent, but let's slavery go on when he "doesn't approve of it"
Given that this is the same god that nearly caused the extinction of all life because some humans didn't give him the worship he felt he deserved, I can see that.
I mean, he did create all of those human and they were intentionally being evil towards him so i can see why he would be angry
@@swordthrower2035 ah yes a newborn baby being evil towards almighty god himself omegalul
As soon as you are old enough to understand and make a choice to follow or to turn away from God is when it determines where you go. I believe that if a newborn baby dies then he goes to heaven
@@swordthrower2035 well what if the baby wanted to live ? what if the baby was god incarante himself?why take away to place where iam mostly sure none knw even if it exists
“Well that just sounds like slavery with extra steps” Morty smith
Amazing how the Bible clearly defined the chosen people and the others as having extremely different laws and rules, yet Christians basically ignore it all
@Atheist Deprogramming Did you even watch the video? What part of theology are you referencing?
@Atheist Deprogramming So the Ten Commandments don’t apply? Come on, just because Paul didn’t want to keep kosher doesn’t mean everything else is off the books
@Atheist Deprogramming Your last two quotes seem to contradict each other. How can you fulfill the law if you’re not under the law? And Christians don’t observe the Sabbath? What is Sunday worship about then? Of course it’s all inconsequential since God does not exist, Jesus was just a radical apocalyptic preacher (one of many at that time) and the Bible is clearly written by men and NOT the “word of God”. The Old Testament is full of evil acts directed by God, including enslavement, genocide, infanticide,etc. The New Testament is full of contradictions and was written by Greek speaking people who never met Jesus and had different ideas about who Jesus was and what his crucifixion meant. Sorry
Matthew 23:3 3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Romans 2:13
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey(A) the law who will be declared righteous.
The biblical Messiah taught the Law/Torah
@Atheist Deprogramming Thanks for your answer.
Without wanting to offend and be arrogant, I tell you that I don't need to read those verses again. I have studied the Bible long enough to understand on this subject.
2 Peter 3:15-16
15 And understand that the patience of our Lord is for salvation; as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom that has been given him, has written to you, 16 almost in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; among which there are some difficult to understand, which the unlearned and inconstant twist, as well as the other Scriptures, to their own perdition.
The same Paul tells about follow the Law in Romans 2:13
Romans 2:13
13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey(A) the law who will be declared righteous.
Revelations 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Greetings
I’m visiting Oxford this summer! Alex, if you see someone waving, could be me
Noice! Go give me a handshake from a X-christian.
@@stanleyjones1935 A Pre-Christian?
@@katie6384 No U
@Optimus27 No Ricardo
“God knew that the hearts of men were evil...”
These, by the way, we’re the very same hearts he created. He created their natures, and also the means by which those natures turned the hearts evil. As a matter of fact, god himself testified to creating evil:
Isaiah 45:7 King James Version (KJV)
7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.
Also, Christians say man has gone against the will of god, but turn around and say that everything is in god’s plan. How can Christians, in light of the Bible and Christian philosophy, NOT hold god responsible for slavery?
The bible doesn't support slavery
aubrey Then why are there instructions on how to enslave people in the Bible? And where does it say slavery is wrong in the Bible?
God certainly creates evil, but it is not how you might think. God is the ultimate definition of "good", and without his existence, good and evil is impossible to philosophically or naturally justify. So everywhere that God is not, evil is. Simply by God existing, evil exists, and thus He creates evil but has no part in it.
While God desires, all humans not to sin, to commune with, and to love him, he gave us free will to do the opposite. God gave us the choice to exist where He will not. If He is a perfectly good and just God, the only explanation for Him allowing evil (the rejection/absence of God), is because he loves us. When Christians say man "has gone against the will of God", they are referring to God's desire for that individual, not his will for the entire world in terms of progressing creation.
If God exists as the Bible says he does (outside of this space-time universe), then this world and the entirety of the future was created in an instant and for all eternity. When Christians refer to everything being in God's plan, they (of course I don't speak for everybody because not everyone is on the same plane of understanding) mean that when God declares something will happen, no amount of fighting or resistance will stop it from happening. Regardless of our free will, what God has said will come to pass, will indeed come to pass through our free will, because from God's perspective outside of time, the future has already come to pass. He uses our freewill to accomplish his will for the world (not to be confused with his desires, also referred to as "will", for individual humans). This is also how he can have omniscience, omnipotence, perfect holiness (goodness), and perfect justice all simultaneously.
Scroll back to the start in Genesis God said everything he created was "good" it became "evil" after.
aubrey
Your silence suggests that this is something you want to believe but have no evidence of.
I am an Israeli Hebrew speaker, and the literal meaning of Exodus 21 16 is definitely the one you highlighted.
Haha Guy. That's funny. "Trust my view of Exodus because I speak Hebrew." Nice genetic fallacy.
@@DefenderoftheCross
Errr no, it's because I speak the original language, and don't need to rely on any specific translation. Only those English speaking theologians play those silly word games with "this and that" translation.
There might be disagreements about the meanings of certain words or confusing phrasing, but these debates are a lot more comprehensive once you understand the language, and can address them in the original text. I don't need to dogmatically take the word of a translator.
Which is the Bible which follows the Hebrew text?
@@keithwhitlock7021
וְגֹנֵב אִישׁ וּמְכָרוֹ וְנִמְצָא בְיָדוֹ, מוֹת יוּמָת.
"He who stealeth a man, and selleth him, (*) shall be put to death".
(*) may be:
1. and is caught in the act
2. and he (the man) is found in his (the kidnapper's) possession
I lean more towards #1, as it seems a more "correct" sentence in structure, and is more in line with the kind of language that the bible is written in. Regardless, apart from the "וְנִמְצָא בְיָדוֹ", the rest is straightforward.
I am Greek. The first official translation of the Old Testament was in Greek. Then the Greek text was translated to all the other languages (fun fact: the Greek Orthodox Church claims that the Hebrew Bible is not godsend, go figure).
So, the verse in the official Greek translation is 21:17, in the chapter "Laws about violence". And it says:
ὃς ἐὰν κλέψῃ τίς τινα τῶν υἱῶν Ἰσραὴλ καὶ καταδυναστεύσας αὐτὸν ἀποδῶται, καὶ εὑρεθῇ ἐν αὐτῷ, θανάτῳ τελευτάτω.
The person that steals one of the sons of Israel and dominates over him and sell him, if found guilty, will be put to death.
The not-so-official translation to a bit more modern Greek, says the same. [Εκείνός που θα αρπάξη κρυφίως ένα Ισραηλίτην και τον βασανίση και τον πωλήση κατόπιν ως δούλον θα τιμωρήται με θάνατον, εάν αποδειχθή η ενοχή του.]
The word steal (κλέψη) in Greek means "grab". You can steal money, but you can also steal people. It may very well mean kidnap. "If you grab one of your own and sell him as a slave, you are dead". Only men from other nations you are allowed to steal (grab, kidnap) and make slaves.
i tried to enslave my neighbor on the count that the LORD THY GOD has said it ok. but they keep calling the cops on me and tell me to stop.
Maybe they dont understand that when you will beat them, you will make sure they recover after one or two days. Just tell them they will survive so no problem.
Not to mention the prenatal enslavement of the child conceived between slaves, which falls nothing short of involuntary captivity. Much “volition” considered.
"But you just need to interpret it correctly! See, if you just ignore 95% of what the Bible says, it is all fine."
More like ignoring 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999%
@Literally Nobody There is no sinful human condition. There is no sin!
@@bobthabuilda1525 foolish thing to say that there is no evil
@@corywiedenbeck1562 Foolish thing to lie about what I said
@@bobthabuilda1525 what?
This is my first time visiting your channel. Subscribed after watching this video!
@Rrrr Pppp why are you here then? This is heresy and you're consuming it.
oh my! he reeled another in! rofl
If you watch the rebuttal to this video you would unsubscribe him.
You made a mistake.
Oh, thank you for putting so eloquently the ideas in my head and educating me allowing me to solidify my ideas even further!
Never ceases to amaze how apologists lobby that the being with the most power should have the least amount of responsibility.
Somebody, pleasssse, tell me that this black man condoning biblical slavery is joking! 😢
Nope mental slavery is real
He's defending it by showing it's not slavery as we know it. It's basically indentured servitude, or as we would practice today, employment. The only issues he has are semantics. "they're called slaves." In the biblical Hebrew, that word could mean slave as we know it, but it merely only refers to one who serves. So it can refer to an employee employer relationship or a prisoner captor relationship. You need context to figure out which it is taking about. "they're considered property." Property in that context doesn't refer to having full rights to the person to do as you please. There are many passages which say "do not treat your slaves harshly." They had laws against doing them harm. What they mean by calling them property is that they had full rights to the fruit of their labor. The same is considered with land property. They called it property, yet they also acknowledged all land rightfully belongs to God. So the land was their property only in the sense that they had rights to the fruit of the land they worked. So these objections are merely semantics and don't get to the underlining meaning of the statements.
chipan9191 You missed the beatings. In biblical times that meant the same as hugging. Don’t hug your employee properties so much that they die. Grrrr. Semantics!
@@twowardrobeswardrobes1536 the Bible was an ancient document written to a particular audience that is culturally different from us. Using cultural and historical context in exegesis is the normal scholarly way to conduct hermeneutics. And the beatings were allowed for discipline but regulated such that abuse was prohibited. That can be seen in the text requiring to give compensation for permanent damage.
@@chipan9191 Haha. Jesus H Christ.
You're very good at this Alex. I just went from a casual watcher to subscribing and hitting the notification bell. Keep up the good work
Wrong. He is terrible at this.
Did you two even watch the whole video? One by one he deconstructs the arguements and points out the contradictions of what the man in the video claims, and what the bible actually says. That's what he does in all his videos, using the bible itself to show how hideous the bible actually is... and the bible IS hideous.
So "God allowed slavery, but he REGULATED it - so that it was a GOOD type of slavery"? ... yeah, that doesn't sound very good.
Apparently you don’t understand what servitude slavery is
@@starverdict3246 it's just a fancy name for "slave."it's a word that people like yourself use to fit your narrative. Makes it sound just a little bit better.
@@starverdict3246 Apparently getting beaten without dying and being a "servant" including their children and wife for life is part of that servitude.
@@cagedgandalf3472 i get verbally abused by my dad and i wait on him all the time every day does that count?
@@marcellofunhouse1234 what i don't understand
So happy to see you back Alex!
*It can't be only me whom notices the utter irony of an American black man defending chattel slavery*
Louis Gedo They made sure to get a black man to endorse this viewpoint.
@@0816M3RC
Yes, it almost undeniably was intentional to select a speaker with a particular skin pigmentation.
You use whom when it is any sort of object of the sentence, who when it’s the subject. (In the phrase “Who notices”, who is the subject.) if you were to say “by whom it is noticed”, that would be correct
@@noahesmail3966
Thank you for the correction!
*who notices
The card game is amazing, this part of RUclips is doing so much for everyone, fighting dangerous conspiracy theories, exposing dangerous cults and helping ex-members, while providing entertainment to literally milions. These things are what makes the world a better place
@THE GREEK CRAFT I don't get it. Dude you can't expect people to understand you if you're that vague. Do you think debunking conspiracy theories such as but not limited to Flat Earth, Anti-Vax is feeding people lies OR are you saying that saying that God doesn't exist is feeding people lies. Also, I'm open to having my mind changed, so if you have something to teach, go ahead. If you don't and you're doing this for the sake of being a dick to everyone with a different opinion then I'll pay you 100$ and kindly ask you to fuck off
*EDIT:* You said you wrote something but I'm not going to read 1000 comments to find yours so feel free to copy and paste it in this discussion
@epitome Come on dude stop being a dick. You better not complain about him being intolerant of different opinions when you can't stand the fact someone is religious. I don't know where you're trying to get but it's not helping this discussion
As a black African from a country which sold slaves, it is just so sad to see this guy defend slavery.
I missed these so much! Thank you for coming back :)
"oh slavery is just symbolism"
- So heaven and hell don't really exist, those are just symbols too?
"No they exist for real"
During the biblical times of slavery, I wonder what people’s opinions would be if a survey was done asking everyone if slavery is immoral.
Pretty much everyone agreed that it was bad to be enslaved and awesome to enslave others. That sentiment is very much shared by Yahwe.
He should find somewhere to spend 6 years in that loving environment. I am sure he would love it!!
I always love your vids, but I especially appreciate this one.
Why? All he does is cherry pick verses taken out of context in order to support atheism. He's the same as a muslim apologist.
@@MeanOldLady isn't that what the guy in this video Christianity is doing?
That card game sounds like the nerdiest thing ever. I really want to try it.
I want to play with others in the chat room during shows such as Talk Heathen while callers are on the air (as if the callers are unwitting Bingo callers with different statements that the chatroom participants then identify as fallacies and compete to debunk. I suppose the first person to debunk 5 fallacies can type "Bingo" or maybe "Rationality Rules".)
You are an extremely good narrator, sir, thank you.
Very nice to see you again, Alex. I hope and I trust that things are going well for you at the place where the oxen cross the river.
"be careful reading that bible, it's a dangerous book" truer words are rarely spoken.
Thats what hitler and all thoes communist leaders said see where that leads you
Though they done it as a way so people believe in their idea but didn’t want them to have freedom but with their idea
Please watch this rebuttal. ruclips.net/video/pERsLtciNhY/видео.html
@Blue eyed Eurasian/videos Biblical morality: ruclips.net/video/cGecYM8S1r0/видео.html
@@ogantafia1944 It's down to 29% this year.
Hitler and his party killed at most 20 million, how many have Christians killed? rationalwiki.org/wiki/Death_toll_of_Christianity
It is good that that's the scariest book you can think of, if a little banal. There are far more dangerous books out there than Hitler's propaganda/journal.
ruclips.net/video/GdyjN_zCO_M/видео.html
Glad to see that taking a break has not diminished the quality of your videos one bit. Good luck with your studies.
It has Xd what do you meme?
Look up what do you meme? Cosmic cosmic is an hypocrite
As a Filipino teen who lives with pretty dogmatic family members, its pretty sad that I always feel paranoid someone might overhear or see me watching your vids. Your channel is still one of my go-to-listens on my spare time. Thanks, Alex!
Have you been caught yet?
Yow
Kamusta
"Be careful reading that Bible, it's a dangerous book."
Teach your children this.
I love your profile picture.
No, its not. It is an interesting book with some great stories in it. (And some boring ones too.) My parents didn't give a shit, I read it, i didn't turn christian. It is a powerless book, if you just view it as what it is: A Book. Without all of the indoctrination that you need to turn someone christian it is not dangerous.
If you wouldn't let a 7 year old watch a horror movie, you shouldn't let them read the book of Revelations which I read at that age and it was as scary as hell
Numbers and Joshua, too...
People read the contradictions and stories of genocide in the same manner they would read a weather report.
I can't believe how Hitchens was reincarnated this quick. Happy Atheist Day!
lol
Now just needs to up the charisma, smoke and drink himself do death
ruclips.net/video/9mN2tAJcrag/видео.html
God can apparently erase all evil from existence:
Also God: " Nah, imma just *regulate* it😌
You cannot have good without evil. You cannot know love without hate. God wants you to love, not blindly follow. Do research and you will find out.
@@instrumentofdivinejustice4570 so your God, who I assume you believe to be all powerful, is incapable of completely erasing evil as a concept...... Or he just doesn't want to (which makes him a big ass dickwad)....... Or he actually can't and isn't all powerful
Do research and take a close look at your beliefs..... They don't make sense buddy
@@MLamar0612 have you ever sinned before? If yes, if God decided to "erase all evil." You'd be included. All sin is evil to God. It's not that God can't do it. It's that God is merciful and patient to those who did wrong. If God were to give us judgement, anyone who doesn't have a relationship with him will be left behind and sent straight to hell. Does that help? Hell is worst than Earth cuz it's eternity and all sinners will have their part in the lake of fire, which is worst than anything we can experience on Earth. Once Jesus comes back he will judge. God will create a new Heaven and a new Earth to those who believe. He will end all evil in the end, just hope he won't include you in that evil.
@@factsonly1486 I've never sinned before because Ive never thought it has actually ever existed..... Sin TO YOU and many other people around the world believe sin to be what god doesn't approve of......
"It's not that God can't do it. It's that God is merciful and patient to those who did wrong."-🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️ it's like you didn't even read what I said. God is capable of completely removing the concept of evil from the face of reality but allows it to permeate the planet because he's so "merciful" and wants to flex his "mercy". Do you believe god to be perfectly merciful and perfectly just?? Do you think it's right or just to judge people for what they were predestined to be or do?? Do you believe it to be right to punish those for not believing or for finite crimes here on Earth for all eternity?? Yeah, sounds like YOUR god is evil and massively egotistical 💀
@@factsonly1486 still no excuse to regulate it same with giving orders to moses to kill them and take their women as sex slaves
I remember one advent season many years ago, I attended one early morning mass, and the Leviticus passage was one of the readings. It was definitely confusing. Seems like 90% of the other attendees in the church weren't paying attention, though.
Any god who can command people not to eat pork and shellfish can devote some attention to forbidding slavery--among the many other things that a good being ought to advocate.
@Leah Diamond worker? You don't seem to know what slavery means.
@Phillip Hickman It is just a stupid question posing as false dichotomy and using the word worker to hide we are talking about slavery. So no.
@Leah Diamond It would be better for a god to command his people to treat everyone decently. Then your proposed dichotomy would be unlikely.
@Leah Diamond The part where that was addressed both in the Bible and the video.
@Phillip Hickman Really? Are you that stupid?
I object, your honor! I object and move to strike!
On what grounds?
Because it’s devastating to my case!
10:39 I see a mistake here. It says "leviticus 24:44-6" but there is not 44th verse in the 24th chapter of leviticus. The correct verse would be leviticus 25:44-46.
Jesus Christ... the level of mental gymnastics is astonishing.
They only say that the Bible doesn’t support slavery because the modern society doesn’t accept or support it 😂😂 They change and twist the interpretations of the Bible as they see fit... So oblivious and ignorant. I’m still watching by the way 😋😋😂😂
Anal Jihad They don’t need to change it because all they need to do is to confuse people by misinterpreting it and there is no shortage of people who are willing to be wilfully misguided with no urge to question anything they were presented. They would condemn a man in a dress but they’re happy to be wilfully twisting the interpretation of the Bible on supporting slavery, simply because they don’t like it, when in reality a dress has no gender! It’s a piece of fabric! And it’s the fact! 😋😋😂😂
*BIBLICAL EXEGESIS BAD*
*BIBLICAL LITERALISM GOOD*
All you have to do is believe that Jesus fulfilled the Law. Boom. All of the Old Testament Laws disappear as they are transferred into Jesus. No more hating anyone, slaves, or all the Old Testament Greatest Hits of Bible Bashing. If the translation is not in error in the meanings of what Jesus did? Then any Christian who holds to the Old Testament as the Will and Law of God? Is doing it wrong.
Thus the Old Testament becomes a reference document of the Old Ways and how things rolled - followed by the Reformer - and then the future that was meant to be had after the Reformation.
They do this quite often. They try using context and say it's unacceptable now, but then why do they condemn homosexuality or sex before marriage? Times have changed, haven't they? They only use modern society to benefit them and their morals, not when it affects other people. I saw a video by a channel call Girl Defined and they outright stated that braids may have been prohibited in the bible, but it's fine because times have changed. Again, it's only to benefit them.
I would ask WHY the law was THERE in the first place - flawed as it seemed. Was it a Beta version?
I COULDNT BELIEVE MY EYES WHEN I SAW THAT YOU UPLOADED A VIDEO THANK YOU
Please watch this response. ruclips.net/video/pERsLtciNhY/видео.html
"be careful reading that bible, it's a dangerous book".
You’re an idiot 😂😂😂
God isn't immoral God gets to decide what is immoral.
Morality is subjective without God.
@@trollolololololol2361 LOLOLOL
I'd like to add a passage that actually was mentioned here, but the specific part I'm interested in, was passed by - perhaps because it wasn't 100% on topic in that exact instance. How ever, I'd argue that whenever we're talking about slavery in the bible and the "benevolence" and "wisdom" christans ascribe to their god, as well as the distinction that's made in the bible between the treatment of jewish slaves and slaves of other nations and groups of people, this specific passage should be highlighted and put on the table for discussion.
Now, my bible isn't one of the english translations (since I'm not english), but the verses and chapters are the same. I'll provide my own a translation from my language to english, but I'd sugest any one who finds this as interesting as me should go and read it for themselves in whatever translation of the bible they may prefer.
Exodus 21:2-6
2. If you buy a hebrew slave, he shall serve for 6 years, bhut on the seventh year he shall be set free without paying. 3. If he came alone, then he shall be freed alone. If he was married, then his wife shall be freed with him. 4. If his master _gave_ _to_ _him_ _a_ _wife_ , and she's born to him sons or daughters, then the wife and her children shall belong to her master, and the man alone shall be freed. 5. But of the slave says: "I have great love for my master, my wife, and my children, and therefor do not wish to be freed", 6. then his master shall take him infront of God and put him by the door or the doorpost, and his master shall spike awl through his ear. He will then be his slave forever.
What's noteworthy here is a couple of things that combined doesn't paint the prettiest of pictures, in my opinion. It's verses 4-6. First, note that it doesn't say that the slave has taken for himself a wife, but that the owner has "given to him a wife". Next, note that the wife and children isn't to be let free, they will continue to be the property of the slave owner. - Now contemplate the circumstances under which the man is offered to "choose" to stay a slave or to be set free. He can choose to leave his family in bondage and be on his unmarry way, or he can stay with his family. Now add to this the power of the owner: it is _he_ who's paired this man up with a woman. Regardless of the wishes of either the male or the female slave. Isn't that just a perfect coinsidence for a slave owner who has no real interest in being a slave short after six years?
Then we have verse 6 that's just .... well, I don't really know what to say about it because it's not very specific, though at the same time earily so: This spikeing, or piercing, or skewering of the slaves ear. Read in my languange, it's impossible to know for certain, but the wording that's used indicates a practice that would at the least make the man deaf. Though it could, if one were to read it with a good portion of benefit of the doubt, as mearly a practice that would give the man a badly disfigured ear. No where does it specify the size or kind of awl that's to be used. Niether does it specify where or how the ear is to be spiked - are we talking about a minor prick in the lower part of the outer ear - suitable for an chick earring. Or, are we talking about straight in to the ear canal? Or something inbetween?
As with the majority of this collection of texts that's called the bible, I find that the passages that actually give the case for gods benevolence and morality is far between and drowned in the abundance of the contrary. Yes, people tend to cherry-pick, but I'd argue that the amount of self-deceit it takes to cherry-pick in a poisoned orchard when there's a fully healthy one just one field over, is indeed not only unwise but indicative of something inherently harmful and unhealthy.
To finish off: If anyone's taken the time and effort to read this far: Thank you and I hope you found it worth while! Also, I'd highly recomend you to read Exodus 21:7-11 (i.e. the verses following directly upon those mentioned above). In which we get to enjoy the benevolence of God towards hebrew women. Yeah ... benevolence ... or...?
Thanks again to anyone's taken the time, and Cheers! =)
very good point!!
This was a really interesting, well thought out video. I have never seen you before, but subscribing.
Love it how Christians can pull random Bible verses, out of context, to support any argument.
That's atheists.
@@bakedbeans5494Hmm. Interesting
Atheist literally base all they're arguments off out of context verses
That black guy I don't know his name but I feel embarrassed for him as a black individual myself. He just don't have the skills
@Mark Donald that black guy is an idiot. You don't hear his dumbass argument? My guess he hasn't even read his Bible
@Ever Boy Well, viewed that video! Do you think he's debunked the arguments cosmic skeptic tabled?? Pls reply I wonder do his(Whaddo's) counterclaims stand.
@@vladimirjosh6575 - Here's part 2 of his response: ruclips.net/video/8UaA6NemMsg/видео.html
He does have skills. You on the other hand, seems to be lacking in the brains department.
@@vladimirjosh6575 he more than just debunked it. You have to be a complete and utter moron to not see the blatant dishonesty of this cosmic skeptic bastard.
Obviously instead of the Civil War we should have just pushed for better slave ownership regulations 👍🙄🙄🙄
Hope your not being seriouse I think your just joking though
@@MM-ss9yd he is joking,sarcasm
The South actually took a lot of it's laws directly from the bible. That biblical slavery was somehow better than African slavery is wrong in every way. African slavery was inspired by biblical slavery.
Ironic that a black man perftoming apologizics for biblical slavery
No exposure to counter arguments = indoctrination.
@@estherk5483
Lol Not black but black people.
lulu haki I am black too FYI. If that is the only thing you took from the paragraph I wrote, okay.
Fun fact:In my country(Russia)orthodox Christians refer to themselves and each other as “gods slave *insert name”.
Heard this since childhood,but only now I fully realise how weird it actually is.
What where?
@@pavlekovacevic5787 In prayers.Like “blessed be gods slave *insert name”
I’m not a good translator and I haven’t heard prayers in a long time but yeah that’s how it goes
Thank you CosmicSkeptic for simply being and continuing to make content. If you can relate information that keeps just one child from the slavery of religion itself and inspires their mind to search out truth through their own experiments and life experience, rather than the governing force of religion, then you are an emancipator and an educator.
Literally everyone is watching this in the future.
Yep
I'm (NOT) going to read thru 4.5K comments, but I am assuming the (palm to face) irony of a black man defending slavery is likely mentioned / addressed about 4.4K times in this comments thread.
Steve
And your stance on that subject Steve is....?
Steve
Ahhh, ok! So why the hovering around Atheist sites? Do you have doubts about your faith? Are you looking for answers your religion can't answer?
As a black man, seeing what that brother saying is very embarrassing.
the colour of our skin is the same, but we are not same. Im black but have 0 slave ansestory what does this comment even mean
I've had this same argument with Jews, they make the same ad hoc like excuses.
Thank you for covering this topic and the distinction of the different treatment of certain tribes
Whaddo you meme?? made a response to this video. try checking him out. He honestly makes more sense than this guy.
Found out that today is the 1st Annual Athiest Day, so Happy Atheist Day, everyone!
This is first time I'm hearing about this lol. I'm way out of the loop
Nah, it just wasn't advertised much and didn't get any publicity, which is to be expected.
Rationality Rules... rules! And you do, too! Great vid.
Ya if you have education of rock. This is filled errors and problems.
Link the vid
I was told by a pastor slavery in the Bible was like jobs we have today.
please watch this response. ruclips.net/video/pERsLtciNhY/видео.html
Lol
I always beat the shit out of my employees with a rod
If he was born in America in 20 centery he would also defend his owner lol
He looks older than 19, so he WAS born in the 20th century. You must have meant 18th or 19th century I think. :D
18th & 19th centuries ***
Jesus was all about love
@@starverdict3246 then proceeded to threaten people with hell if they don’t believe in him
@@starverdict3246jesus was a fake
A new CosmicSkeptic video. Best birthday present ever.
Happy Birthday
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Can you do a response to whaddo you memes video responce to this Video?
Hope Alex sees this and makes a quick response
In your own opinion, does Whaddo you meme make sense in his Video, and does he get anything wrong?
@@MrMooid Well his objection claiming the entire argument that Alex makes should be completely dismissed based on Alex's morality beliefs is initially tempting to agree. However Alex never brings his morality into this video and rightfully so since slavery has been abolished in many places democratically. I think it's reasonable that since Alex didn't approach it using his moral beliefs, you cannot rebut it based on that.
@@dominicferreira9900 well I think the this was brought up as Alex was trying to highlight the fact the the Bible was not moral. The question then is, if the Bible is not moral, on what moral basis are you making this claim.
But let's set aside Alex's morality for the time being, is the rest of the arguments presented valid or not and why?
Did you watch all the parts so far?....In my mind he handled it 👌🏽
Some very good points . Part where you mentioned about the Ten Commandments the only “regulation” was to “not do it” is incorrect. Most of them were either to be put to death or exiled from the community
“Love your neighbor as yourself” (Lev. 19:18) Think about it.
"Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live." "I came not to bring peace, but a sword." "Not one jot or tittle of my Father's word shall pass from the law until Heaven and Earth shall pass away."
And "neighbor" can mean anything you want. The person next door, or just the people you associate with--or just the members of your own religion. If you knew anything about the translations, you'd see that, but you don't.
I can sling stupid Bible quotes with the best of you.
If I made a rule saying you are not allowed to shoot your co-workers However, your Asian co-workers you may shoot, then you can't go back to the original Rule and say that means you can't shoot the Asians. It's specifically gives you instructions on how you may treat your servants as well as your slaves. Love Thy Neighbor did not apply to slaves. Read your Bible because it's immoral as fuck. And it's pathetic the cherry picking you do to try and justify it. Christians constantly say that atheists are cherry-picking, but If I pointed to the Holocaust and said look at the good shit that Hitler did, would you come back and say but look at all the nice stuff that you are ignoring? I'm completely fine with the fact that there are good things in the Bible but it does not matter. It does not matter if everything in the Bible is good and the Bible support slavery. That automatically makes it immoral. There is nothing in the Bible that can be considered good, that you cannot achieve through secular means. I'm embarrassed for people like you. How someone can support something so clearly evil, is pathetic
@@thickerconstrictor9037 thank you for actually having common sense. I’m an ex christian and I used to cherry pick all the time. good is a base standard, we expect the Bible to be good. if there is even ONE immoral thing in the Bible, the whole Bible is invalidated
@@thesecondcoming000 the bible still doesn't allow slavery. Dispite this whole video.
It allows foreigner worker, prisoners of war, and self indentured. But then it also gives them away out.
In terms of the beating etc the Talmud then clarifies that is for crimes like theft, Beastiality , treason and rape. Here we believe an appropriate punishment is also waterboarding and physical torture for treason. So we haven't changed much. We also use foreign workers, prisoners of war and self indentured loans are way worse.
Love your channel 🔥🔥
It's illegal today. "Imagine if you were beaten by your boss" leads to him going to jail. You leave that part out.
Of course slavery is illegal today. Does this really need to be stated?
Following the Bible isn't illegal today unfortunately
its ok, as long as you won't die in a day or two. My holy book told my its moral and totally ok. Its word of god.
Everyone has to watch the what do you meme’s channel response to this video it’s epic
It really isn't. Unless there's a Bible 2.0 it still condones slavery
username checks out lol. I won't be judged by fans of a moral relativist like this baby face Sam Harris wanabe@@Imrightyourewrong1
@@airikkalerofficialOne the harm principle and empathy(which even animals possess) also God still has an obligation to follow his own rules
My god that was sad to watch, a black man so damaged by religion...….WTF
Unfortunately there's many like him out there...
Exodus 21:16, “ He who kidnaps a man and sells him, or if he is found in his hand, shall surely be put to death.” Also
Deuteronomy 23:15-16 which says “You shall not give back to his master the slave who has escaped from his master to you. He may dwell with you in your midst, in the place which he chooses within one of your gates, where it seems best to him; you shall not oppress him.”
The verse clearly oppose slavery, the slavery that was allowed would be people selling themselves to have food and shelter for them and there families in exchange for labor, but if the conditions were too bad at all then they could just run away and you were commanded to give them a place wherever that they please with you. And no man could kidnap and sell a person lawfully without the death penalty- like modern day slavery.
@@macumusExodus 21 16 is talking about kidnapping people and making them slaves it's not against buying slaves
@@TotalAnalyst2slavery from back then and American slavery are 2 different things
@@macumus >The verse clearly oppose slavery
It absolutely doesn't in any way whatsoever.
It was illegal to kidnap people in the American south during the height of African slavery as well.
In fact it was illegal just to kidnpa people in ANY society that practiced slavery.
If you had actually read the bible rather than just parroting apologists, you'd know that the Pentateuch is totally unambigous in encouraging slavery. And Yahwe encourages and aids his people, Moses, Aaron etc in committing genocide and taking slaves.
"Be careful reading that bible, it's a dangerous book"
Truer words never were spoken