Every Argument For Atheism
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Responding to @redeemedzoomer6053's "ALL atheist arguments answered in 10 minutes".
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Redeemed Zoomer's original video: • ALL atheist arguments ...
Behind the Gospels: behindthegospels.substack.com/
Did Jesus Claim to be God? (podcast): • Did Jesus Even Claim t...
How the Bible Supports Slavery (podcast): • How the Bible Supports...
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0:00 Religion causes wars
1:30 People do evil in the name of religion
2:58 If you lived elsewhere, you’d be an atheist
4:06 How do you know which religion is true?
4:21 There’s no scientific evidence for God
6:06 Demonic possession
10:15 The Bible has contradictions
13:49 The Gospels are anonymous
15:35 The Gospels misquote Jesus
17:26 Jesus never claimed to be God
19:25 Mythological development
21:10 The Bible supports slavery
24:39 The “Slave Bible”
25:42 Christians supported slavery
27:10 God kills people in the Bible
27:39 Atheist countries are more prosperous
28:48 I just believe in one less god
29:16 Who created God?
29:56 Science disproves God
31:35 God of the gaps
32:30 The problem of evil
35:19 What if God is evil?
36:18 Can God create a rock so heavy he can’t lift it?
37:52 Why does evil exist at all?
38:52 Religion is just wishful thinking
40:39 Psychology/neuroscience explains religion
41:38 Drug trips show spiritual experiences are from the brain
42:05 Jesus is a copy of Horus
42:16 Faith is opposed to reason
43:12 Evolution proves God didn’t make the world
43:44 Christianity spread through military conquest
44:02 Constantine invented modern Christianity
44:20 Why are there so many Christian denominations?
45:00 There’s no evidence for Jesus outside the Bible
46:01 A whole universe, just for me?
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Ever considered death of the Ego ? (mental rebalancing)
why dont you speak more about Islam, in my opinion it is much more scientific and logical than christianity
When I was young I heard this simple argument for agnosticism-
How much do you know about the universe? Do you know 50%? Do you know 10%? Perhaps 1%? For the sake of argument, let's just say that you know 1% of the universe. You can check to see if I'm correct but, even at 1%, this would make you the smartest human being who ever lived. Let's give you the benefit of the doubt that you are indeed the smartest person who ever lived, even smarter than Alex O'Connor. Here's the question:
Is it possible that God exists outside the 99% of knowledge you have about the universe? Conversely, is it possible that God does not exist outside the 99% of knowledge about the universe?
There's a 99% likelihood that you don't know one way or the other about God's existence. Why must you then blindly choose to believe one way or the other? It's a false binary. You don't have to believe one way or the other. You can simply balance both possibilities in your mind and be amazed and awed at the wondrous 99% of the universe you don't understand.
I don't have time in my life to listen to a theists making me look bad via commonality.
Hey Alex! Throughout your video you say something to the effect of “I’ve already talked about this”; would you mind linking to videos where you have talked about those subjects so that those wanting to follow up may more easily navigate to them? Thanks. Btw I’ve been watching your videos for the last 6 years and have only just subscribed for some reason. I might have already subscribed with a different channel, although I’m not sure. I’m Muslim, but your content has been a wellspring of reference points for my curiosity. You have a degree of what Muslims call adab, and so I appreciate your work.
Edit: if you could do a video with Hasan Spiker that could be quite cool as well
But redeemed zoomer depicted theist as chads, and athiest as soyjacks. So he must be right
What is a "soyjack"?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yeah man I hate that rethoric, even if it's just visual. Intellectual dishonesty.
That’s when u know u need to touch grass
Yeah, i was so confused as to why alex was making a vid on this. He already portrayed himself as a chad, so he's pretty much factually correct...
i love that all supernatural events are either never recorded or recorded on a flip phone from 2005 by a person with severe parkinsons
And there is no in-between, at least not for anything even slightly believable
@@crazynachos4230 like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth? and nowhere in history til now has this been true?
@@crazynachos4230 like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth?
Yeah. Let's just have Moses pull out his flip phone to record him parting the Red Sea.
@@directren7762I uhh don’t think that’s what he meant
Atheist vs Christian arguments are honestly so entertaining to watch
Because we're in the Matrix 😀
Because in everyday life, it does not matter.
They are based on unprovable beliefs. No one can prove or disprove the existence of God. If God exists and created everything then how can you test or measure him. It is impossible. So the debate will go on.
@@eytnomits all about personal truth because reality is complex
@@eytnomThe debate will end whenever Christians learn about burden of proof
If Jesus ever associates with people that use wojaks I'm converting to Roman Paganism immidiatly.
There's also the fact that he wants you to forgive everyone...So...Why would I want to forgive a serial killer? And why would jesus forgive that person? Sounds like he's evil.
@@jarielwilliams9856 only if that kind of person sincerelt repents. For Lord created us all and is merciful.
Lmao, "Why does evil exist at all?" "So God can look good while defeating it" Fucking brilliant hahaha
Yeah when people do that we call it Hero Syndrome and rightfully label it a psychological disorder. Causing suffering just so you can be praised for overcoming it is generally considered manipulative and harmful when people do it, but God, the ultimate good, gets a pass? Should he not be the ultimate example of good? Why must we make excuses for a perfect being?
There is not any concept od good and evil in pdf file atheist religion, because in this religion everything is based on destiny. Words like evil, sin, guilt, shameful, even words like forgiveness, they makle no sense to any atheist, because these words imply accountability and responisbility.
This is why according to atheist religion, it wasn't evil when lenin tortured people.
@@atheistreligionandislameis4455 yeah, okay, grandpa, whatever you say, just don't forget your pills next time
@@sunbleachedangel pdf file atheist richard dorkins said: I do believe it is a good idea to try out different drugs and experience what they do to my brain.
Now, why does dorkins promote drugs? To kids too? Because he feels no accountability, no responsibility, nothing matters, there is zero meaning to his life. Because everything for him is destiny anyways, he cannot change anyhthing.
@@atheistreligionandislameis4455who the actual fuck cares what Richard Dawkins said? He doesn't represent anyone but himself.
The “we deserve suffering” argument sounds extremely death cultish
sounds like an abusive relationship, don't it
It’s a fundamental part of the Christian faith, and most other faiths for that matter.
Calling Christianity death cultish makes no sense since Christians consider suffering in hell to be the absolute worst state someone can be in. And killing yourself is a major sin in Christianity anyway.
Everybody has a responsibility to make the world a better place and do as much good as they can before they die. Killing yourself in some cult ceremony would completely oppose that.
As a Christian I agree. God did not create us evil, He created us good. Everything He created in the 6 days (doesn't have to be literal), He called "Good." Including HUMANS. (Genesis 1:1-30) He knew something was off when He just created man, so He created a woman. That doesn't mean that man was bad but that something was missing and that is why He created women. Humans only become "bad" when they turn away from God. God created each of us with an amazing purpose and it is good, it is us that chooses to turn from it. And that doesn't mean we are "evil", it just means that we are not as good as God. And since you are comparing humans to a being that is infinitely good, we are evil. Not because we are evil but because God is so much more good than us, the gap is so big, that we are like evil. We are so far from the goodness from God, that our goodness is like the difference between saving a person from a house fire and setting a house on fire.
It is not that we deserve suffering but that following Christ requires sacrifice.
"In this world you will have many trials and tribulations, but take heart; I have overcome the world!" - Jesus
In a world that is full of evil, when we choose good, we are natrually gonna suffer. "It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us."
However, for something like cancer that is uncontrollable, there is a scientific cause for that. Sometimes, there are things we just can't control. That is not that God doesn't care (psalm 56:8), but that unfortunate things such as sickness are a result of the fallen world we live in. With that sickeness that God didn't create, He doesn't just say "screw you, you deal with that.", He helps those who are in need. All He requires is that you follow Him, not because He only cares about those who follow Him but that He knows what is best for us, so if we follow Him, we are gonna be helping ourselves. It is like a doctor who recommends taking medicine, it is not that they only care about patients who take their medicine but they care about everyone and is providing a solution to everyone. It is the exact same thing as God. Because if you rely on yourself to help you, it is destined to fail. Sure, falling short doesn't mean you can't help yourself at all but you can't help yourself to the extent if you went to the one who is infinitely wise to help you. (Romans 5:3-5, Romans 8:28) It is not that we deserve the evil that happens to us, evil like cancer just happen and we cannot control that. But God has offered healing, but we choose to ignore God and that is why our suffering persists. We are ignoring solutions to our suffering, it is right in front of our eyes but we do not believe. "Then the diciples went to Jesus in private and asked, 'Why couldn't we drive it out?' Jesus replied, 'Because you have so little faith. Truly I tell you, if you have faith as little as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain: move from here to there, and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.'" Matthew 17:19-20
I hope this helps but if it doesn't, please let me know
@@You2lessgetitI aint reading allat
@@athrowawayperson9990 Like... when pdf file atheist mao said everyone needs suffering? And stalin said the same? And lenin said the same?
Whenever religion is proven to be scientifically unworkable, then all-of-a-sudden, it becomes a metaphor, symbolism, not literal, you weren't supposed to take it seriously.
Then what is the RELIABLE way of determining when something is metaphorical or literal in religion?
@@spadigy3371 I just go off what the people who believe in the religion tell me. I get told that the Bible is objective truth and that it really happened. I have some problems with it, so I start asking critical questions about their beliefs and it all falls apart, that's when they trot out that line. It doesn't make sense.
@tagus100 Exactly, that's the thing, the Bible includes things like slavery, child abuse, etc... which obviously in religion cannot be taken literally or else it presents a horrible image. But if we take everything figuratively in the Bible then the Bible would basically say nothing, and just be a bunch of poetry.
@tagus100 Exactly that's the thing. If we take everything the Bible says literally that would leave Christianity in a really bad position. If we take everything figuratively then the Bible says nothing and it's just a bunch of poetry. You need to ask yourself "Why do I REALLY feel God exists?", and "What really makes me believe in it?".
@@spadigy3371 Interesting points.
42:20 "Any time you eat food, you're having faith that it's not poisoned even if you can't scientifically prove it." But "can't" doesn't apply, if the "you" is general: people _can_ test food scientifically to see whether it is poisoned. The non-poisoned-ness of food is scientifically testable and provable.
This all goes back to epistemology… how can you trust any outside knowledge? How do you know anything at all? 😅
It just proves that these are just two types of people (which are essentially just believers vs atheists) - people who don't go miles to know and just have faith and that's enough for them, and people who are skeptic, who wants to know and hadn't seen anything yet so they did not yield to it
Science can't prove God's existence, neither deny it
@@gabjel , that depends on the definition of "God" (and there certainly are more definitions than just one). Think about it: if I asked you "Can science tell me how much a blorble weighs at sea level on Earth?", you first would ask me to define a blorble.
@@gabjel why is there a need to deny existence? If there is no evidence for an existence of something, science does not need to deny it. It simply doesn't consider it within it's purview until evidence is provided.
5 hours after this was posted, Zoomer pinned a comment that claimed the video wasn't meant to be taken seriously. His video is a month old, he pinned the comment to deflect all criticism.
Edit: This comment has become more popular than I thought, so I would like to clarify my position.
Zoomer's video was out for 1 month before Alex's video and he received plenty of responses from other youtubers. For 5 hours Alex's video had been out and the only eluding to his video being a joke was that he pinned a comment that thought his video is a joke.
I believe he did this for the sake of plausible deniability, he wanted to have people mock atheists for taking it seriously but have people feel like the video should to some degree represent atheists in a degrading way.
Furthering this idea, he would post "RESPONSE to criticism of my atheism video" in which he backpedaled further, saying the video was a bad take because he was a shortform channel, making no acknowledgement that the video was ever a joke, because if he did he'd lose that plausible deniability.
Don't bother flaming him for this, it just fuels the Christian persecution complex and gives him exposure. Instead, support secular historians like UsefulCharts and ReligionForBreakfast, especially since Zoomer doesn't like "some secular scholars".
I've never seen someone get so cooked by their own comment section lol
🤓🤓🤓 well put
I guess the Bible was not meant to be taken seriously either.
I think the same. Imagine a few people just writing about an jewish man and get glorified for 2000years as matthew, luke,... and be a word of god.@@bobcousins4810
🤣🤣🤣
27:37 I distinctly remember in like grade 3 a kid told a story about how her grandma recovered from cancer and the teacher said something like “God wanted her to live, god is good” and this other kid was like “my grandpa died of cancer”
What is this actually supposed to mean or prove
@@markcollins2704that god might be an asshole
@@markcollins2704 Idk I was like 9 but I think the teacher was like "oh god brought him to heaven early" or smth
The teacher was humbled real quick💀
That theists see their deity in events where it is demonstrably absent. @@markcollins2704
"'Anonymous' doesn't mean we have no idea who wrote them."
That's _literally_ what it means.
That’s not what it means. Because the text doesn’t contain the writers name doesn’t mean the early readers and us today couldn’t confirm the authors.
@@chidaluaustin-dum2452 Merriam Webster:
Anonymous - of unknown authorship or origin
Also, people don't 100% know and the "evidence" is flimsy at best and laughable at worse. Christians need to pick up a book ffs. Oh wait, they don't even read their own book 💀
It can mean the author is unidentified within the text itself.
@@chidaluaustin-dum2452 anonymous is hiding your identity so take that as you will
@@GreenGamer69 ok
7:48 dunno about you but i would honestly record someone who was levitating for legit half a hour straight
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Suppose there’s a group traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but you must sell your belongings, devote your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you. He may also assign you a new name / identity, advise you to leave your home and job in order to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family then you’re not worthy of him. His followers wrote a book about him in which he performs many miraculous feats, but no contemporaneous outside source corroborates these claims. What sort of group is that?
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 We create meaning for life. Thre isn't a single meaning, so your argument is invalid. Your meaning of life is as correct as anyone else's
@@aleksaslanov8741 The issue at hand is sin and God’s nature of being just. Sin brings suffering (the pleasure is short term, and the suffering is long term-on earth and in hell forever). God brings Righteousness (may have short term suffering followed by long term pleasure- on earth and in Heaven).
If you love yourself repent of your sins (lying, hatred, unforgiveness, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain, stealing, dishonouring your parents etc) & believe in Jesus for forgiveness of sins. (Jesus died on the Cross as a sacrifice and defeated death by rising from the dead)
"Science has no bearing on whether or not god exists."
"There are medical records of demonic possessions."
Pick one.
I pick Reality and reality is that without God there is no hope to survive world war 3
@@andyferari6478no you pick fantasy because you have chosen to believe in an illusion you’ve created which centers yourself at the forefront of all knowledge by pretending you know if God exists or not and if WW3 will happen and what will happen during it. You know nothing of that. Sit down and humble yourself.
@@campbellsadeghy213 I know a messiah is gonna come and you’re gonna be humbled and I’m not pretending or playing with you but I am doing what Noah did before the flood came you know that I’m right and I know you’re gonna be judged by God and than we’ll see if I’m playing fantasy
@andyferari6478 we have been seeing this for 2000+ years God must be incredibly slow not to act fast enough 😂
@@JT-yl9yt or maybe patient like he did with the flood But Let me tell you something and that is if you really care about yourself and what’s gonna you will believe in god and accept the 7 commandments of Noah because it’s a matter of days before the point of no return when messiah comes
He brought it back to the cosmicskeptic days with this one
Don't you mean Alex from the Old Testament?
CSMC SKPTC I believe is the original Hebrew.
@@edwardoapcthat made me laugh for real. nice one.
@@edwardoapc remember that the savegery of OT Alex is not reflective of who he truly is, which he has revealed only later through his podcast. Also pay no mind to the CosmicSkeptic Subs who still insist that Alex O‘Connor is a different channel, if you closely examine the OT videos you‘ll see that the coming of Alex O‘Connor was actually always what it was leading up to.
@@mekullag9787 Yeah, that's all fine and good but me and a few friends have actually legitimately identified the present-day fandom of Alex O'Connor to have lost its way and strayed from the purity of the true Alex O'Connor message and so, not to disparage you but to illuminate what Alex O'Connor has clearly always really meant, I've nailed... er, scraped together a 95-video playlist which articulates the TRUE message in its original and fulsome detail.
its always funny to me how christians will use the existence of the universe as proof of god by saying "how can something come from nothing?", but when you ask them how god came from nothing, they suddenly say "god has always existed and had no creation"
IKR, LIKE PICK YOUR SIDE
God came from the Alpha God which came from the Sigma God which came from the Omega God which came from the Super Saiyan Ultra Instinct God
Because there is a clear difference between god and things we can see (feel)
@@skellytheskeletos8490that’s because science claims that the universe had a beginning, therefore there must be a cause. By definition God has no beginning and always was. If science claimed that the universe is eternal and never had a beginning then your objection would make sense
@@Wavvy4real To compare two things you need both things to exist first.
I'm a devout Catholic and I really enjoyed this video you were calm and respectful and just put your side plainly thank you
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 brother he is literally saved what why u trying to evangelize him
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Suppose there’s a group traveling about your area, led by a charismatic speaker who claims the world is ending soon. He promises he alone can save you, but you must sell your belongings, devote your life to him, and cut off family members who try to stop you. He may also assign you a new name / identity, advise you to leave your home and job in order to follow him, and says that if you don’t love him more than your own family then you’re not worthy of him. His followers wrote a book about him in which he performs many miraculous feats, but no contemporaneous outside source corroborates these claims. What sort of group is that?
@@BlitzTheFoxi Literally in that context is wrong. Allegedly or supposedly or hopefully would be a better fit.
@@thereisnonegoodbutgodjohn363 Shut up, bot.
This was originally a joke about the guy painting athiests as the soyjak and himself as the chad. I don't know what in all hell happened in the replies but go through it at your own discretion.
and he didn't even use the greatest weakness of all atheism: the fedora.
@@sofia.eris.bauhaus if you ever meet a christain in a fedora, run.
@@theseus0467they have the power of God and anime on their side
@@sofia.eris.bauhaus so fedora is now a code word for "lack of arguments" and "lack of evidence"?
Good to know. 😉
@@mugsofmirth8101 fedora BAD!
“Evil exists so god can be glorified in defeating it”
So…god allows evil to exist to stroke his own ego?
@@ThatCzechGuyexcept "God" is supposed to be perfect... At least by religious standarts
That’s it. If God himself is not perfect, how can we put our trust in his supposedly objective morality?
Don't take my word on this because I am not very educated on Christianity but how I see it is that evil exists in this place to prepare our soul before entering Heaven. This might be very incorrect so idk lol
@@gustavfant8047 that might be true but that would still be God's fault, if evil is necessary to prepare our souls before entering Heaven, God should create a better way into Heaven.
Why not? He is God, he just can do that stuff
Nothing will ever be more amazing to me than this dudes earnest “Yes.” In response to the question of god doing all this just to have a personal relationship with us. Like, you can tell there’s no doubt there. I want what he’s having.
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
As a Christian, there were so many parts of what Redeemed Zoomer said where I was like "Noooo, no, no, no."
5:33 is such a baffling argument because no shit evolution can’t explain physics, they’re different fields
I don't really think so since evolution happens of physical biological systems no? Evolution is also bound by the laws of physics the same way all matter in the universe is
@@mithilbhoras5951bro is just yapping
@@BenDover-fv5lz No. Evolution is affected by physics. Do you think the laws of physics do not apply on a molecular level? If so, then you're certainly one to be talking.
According to atheist religion,
What is wrong about incest?
What is wrong about cannibalism?
What is wrong about necrophilia?
@@doyoufeel...thatyoulackcri6760 buddy atheism isent a religion
"You gotta have faith, baby."
Wasn't expecting that.
Look at those jade green eyes, how could you not have faith in Alex?
Made me blush ngl.
Not gonna lie I replayed that part several times. ☠️☠️
white men most beautiful bro@@largefam3109
We didn’t expect it but we certainly loved it 😂
Redeemed zoomer actually sounds like what the soyjak would sound like in real life
He’s actually really good at his points, just not good enough, i wouldn’t call him a soyjak, he is very respectful and does atleast moderate research, though this guy is definitely better, i’m a atheist and enjoyed both videos.
“Do not let your hearts be troubled. Trust in God; trust also in me.”
-Jesus Christ
"It causes war."
"Only 7% of them!"
"Okay, that's still causing wars though, so... also, citation required."
Encyclopedia of wars
Well considering the Nazis use the Bible to justification their hate of Jews and had on their belt buckles God is on our side I think we can count to count that one can't we.
Google is free
I didn’t think this made any sense. Wars happen. It’s the the way of the world. Why does it question the existence of religion?
Are you fr? And yet when you guys say "religion causes wars" you make it out to be like they cause 80% of wars. This is mainly an emotional argument and RZ was demonstrating and removing the blow. You can't in good consistency suggest that 7% of caused wars, therefore religion is harmful to society while overlooking 93% of wars caused by secular reasons
I'm a devout Christian and I like Alex O'Connor. He clearly makes his living arguing for Atheism and yet he treats Christianity with respect. This goes a long way.
Why are you a Christian?
You're clearly a curious and educated Christian just due to the fact that you're watching this video and exposing yourself to different arguments. Respect is definitely important too. But he isn't so much arguing "for atheism" it's just that applying critical thinking to religion results in non-belief b/c the only logical conclusion is that it's not true. For example you are non-believer in Islam exactly the same amount I am.
@@pwade4061Wrong, actually. It's two opposite things.
@@pwade4061 like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth and nowhere in history has this been true?
@@atheistreligionandislameis4455 when was this ever claimed or are we talking about trans men
I always hate these video’s: ‘Destroy atheism in 10 minutes’, or ‘Destroy Christianity in 10 minutes’. It doesn’t matter what it is, there is a lot more to it than just 10 minutes of ramble
hes doing the binary code ( childish and deflecting ) narrative, atheism or not? thats the truly evil thing hes doing...
As a Christian I really enjoyed this video. I'm amazed by the in-depth research you've made for the video and you literally bought the book RZ showed on screen. Admire your skepticism and always seeking the truth. Honestly RZ needs more explanation in his video instead of rushing it within 10 minutes.
RZ did a Speedrun lmao
I'm willing to bet that Alex read more of that book than RZ did to prepare for their respective videos.
Honestly, it seems like Alex knows more about Christianity in general than RZ does.
@@davidutullakatos637 "Hey atheists wanna see me speedrun??!"
@@seaTp736 pretty much lmao
@@davidutullakatos637 prove god any% in 9:05 by Redeemed Zoomer
5:29 Had me cracking up when Redeemed Zoomer tries to make the point that Darwinian Evolution can't explain gravity and nuclear force, which are completely different and unrelated fields of science to that of biology.
It reminds me of how Christians will say stuff like "if you're an atheist can you explain XYZ? You can't? Haha that proves I'm right and you're wrong!"
@@PatrickWDunne That is a fair thing to be annoyed with, but you should be more aware of when atheists do the same thing. "If you're religious, can you explain XYZ? You can't? Haha that proves your entire religion is false and I am right!" It is important to not be hypocritical.
Wow, he proved Atheism, the Bible doesn't either?
@xx_amongus_xx6987 yeah you're right, both sides can be bad at arguing sometimes. I think it's just a human problem rather than an atheist or theist problem.
Exactly that’s like saying calculus can’t solve the problem of evil and is therefore not true.
Ironic that redeemed zoomer sounds like I would imagine a soyjack sounds. 😬
“You gotta have faith baby” 😂😂😂 I’m using that one
Behind every hardcore Atheist is a Theist who used to believe too much.
Rather believed too little if they were Christian.
As an ex-Orthodox who used to have very controversial beliefs this is 100% true
Behind every hardcore Theist is an Atheist who used to lack-belief and schooled theists on who holds the burden of proof.
@@Tomf-tz4pddisagree tbh
@@Tomf-tz4pdNope, I was very devoted
I'm an orthodox Christian, and I find Alex's rebuttals far better than Redeemed Zoomer's silly arguments.
Would you mind chiming in on the “fine tuned” argument? I’ve never understood the logic and Alex kind of skimmed over it in this video.
To me it amounts to “if things were any different, they’d be different” or the “this rain was finely tuned to fit this hole” metaphor.
There are hundreds of thousands of planets in our galaxy alone that could sustain life. The logic doesn’t follow, and facts like this make the argument itself pretty weak.
Can you give me your Christian point of view? I’d like to understand better
@@justanotheropinion5832
Well the fine tuning argument still holds owing to the nature of humans, that is well there may be thousands of planets in the galaxy that can support life, there are many fewer that could support complex life, and still fewer that could support intelligent life, and as far as we are aware, earth is the only planet ware intelligent life has evolved, we will define intelligent here as being smart enough to comprehend our own existence.
In short though the theist and the atheist both agree on the central point of the matter, namely, that the probability of us having this discussion right now, under the circumstances is ridiculously, astronomically, infantecimally small, the primary difference though is that the atheist regards this as mere chance, and the theist regards it as divine providence .
We could actually broaden this out to encompass not only fine-tuning arguments, but the argument of God supposedly not being discernible in the universe, since we only have a sample size of one we don’t actually know through what we can observe if a universe made by God looks substantially different from a universe which appears Spontaneously.
Because though at its logical conclusion this line of argumentation points towards agnosticism, rather than theism or atheism, people don’t tend to bring it up that much.
@@justanotheropinion5832 I want to preface this response by saying that I am not a credentialed expert in physics or cosmology. My knowledge on this topic comes from the scientific literature I've read in my personal study. I also don't believe fine-tuning is the most compelling case for the Christian God. However, to answer your question, the argument goes something like this:
Modern physics recognizes a set of universal constants. These fundamental quantities are independent and not derived from anything else. Properties such as the strength of steel or the rate of heat transfer through glass are dependent. They are effects caused by a combination of other factors. Independent constants such as the elementary charge of a proton, the Planck constant, or the speed of light in a vacuum are not the result of other forces or effects. They are hard-coded at the most fundamental levels of reality. Modern science currently recognizes more than twenty of these constants.
Fine-tuning arguments look at these and other factors that influence the nature of the universe. According to the fine-tuning argument, the exact quantity of each physical constant and the respective ratios must all be precisely as they are for life to exist. In most cases, the tiniest change to one of these constants would not only prohibit life as we know it but would make most forms of matter impossible too. Our universe is not merely tuned to allow for some kind of life, but it seems to be arranged in the only way allowing for any life at all.
Again, I don't believe this to be the strongest case for Christianity, but it definitely carries some weight. Dr. John Lennox of Oxford University wrote a book on the subject I would highly recommend: Cosmic Chemistry: Do God and Science Mix? It's a scholarly read that dissects this issue in much greater detail.
@@justanotheropinion5832how do you conclude they're hundrr3ds and thousands of planets that can sustain life? When life off of earth has never been found and elements such as the vacuum, extreme temperatures, and lack of a significant atmosphere
@@Smilejustsmilebby"Could sustain" isn't saying 'there's life there' or life 'probably' exists there - it's simply saying it has the **prerequisites** for life.
Best argument for atheism is reading the Bible
Or common sense
That’s actually the dumbest argument I’ve heard, I’ve heard better from atheists before
lol
Except for the fact there many non-literal interpretations of Bible, many divine books of different religions and believing in God doesn't even imply you'll follow one of these books.
As a Christian who was a former atheist of 15 years, some of Redeemed Zoomer's points were as good as they could have been.
For example, we know who wrote the Gospels because:
1) every manuscript or manuscript fragment is attributed to MML&J. There is not a single manuscript or fragment that has any other authorship.
2) every church father in an unbroken chain going back to the Apostles attests to the authorship of MML&J. There is complete unanimity within the Church as to the authorship, going back to the 1st century. Not a single church father disagrees with this.
3)There is not a single counter-claim of authorship. Not ONE. You would think if someone wrote a Gospel, word would've gotten out about the true author or they'd have claimed authorship.
4) The church has a long history of rooting out apocryphal and fake texts. For example, in the 3rd century a Bishop forged a letter from Paul, and was kicked out of the church. There are numerous Gospels and texts that were omitted from the Bible because they weren't thought to be authoritative, or the authorship wasn't known.
5) The authors named reaches the 'embarrassing details' criteria for historicity. If the early church fathers were simply slapping names on Gospels and lying about authorship, they'd never have named Mark and Luke as authors, who were barely in the NT, or Matthew, a tax collector. They would've attributed Mark to Peter (The Gospel of Peter) and Luke's Gospel to someone else.
6) The Gospel authors were alive at the time the Gospels were written. The Book of Acts was written around 61 AD, which pushes Luke back to the 50s and Mark back to perhaps even the 40s (Sorry late-daters, we have a 1st century manuscript fragment of Mark). Evidence shows that Luke and Mark died far later than this time, so if a Gospel in their name was made, they'd have been able to refute it. Also, someone likely wouldn't have assigned their name to it if they were still alive.
7) Paul quotes Luke's Gospel in Corinthians, about 10 years before he is martyred. Why would the Gospels be floating around falsely assigned or not assigned when Paul is citing the scripture from his friend Luke?
Were you an atheist your 1st 15 years?
Hello, please show some evidence for claim 1. For there is in fact, none. Within the text of Luke, for example there is no attribution at all. Here's a link to the controversy in wikipedia -
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorship_of_Luke%E2%80%93Acts#:~:text=In%20the%20preface%20to%20Luke,except%20for%20the%20we%20passages.
I'm not saying you are wrong, I'm just pointing out that your position is a dishonest misrepresentation of the evidence as it stands. Check yourself liar, the 8th commandment, though to me annoyingly ambiguous, to your hubris should be disconcerting.
@@postoergopostum Yes, some manuscript fragments are FRAGMENTS and therefore don't have the first page. That should go without saying. Did you really need me to explain that?
Let’s not ignore he said “correlation does not equal causation” and then explicitly linked correlation and causation like three times in one sentence
still the most coherent argument of his
There still has to be correlation for there to be causation though
"You are flawed, you are evil and deserve every bad thing happening to you. You are nothing without God."
This sounds like an abusive relationship.
Imagine telling someone this and be confused why people don't like religion.
Especially when the person who made you flawed is the one punishing you for it.
Do you believe you aren’t flawed? Do you believe you have some special right to not have bad things happen to you? Do you believe you have some inherent worth? If so how could you possibly rationalize any of those beliefs?
@@scottm4975 One of the fundamentals of being human is being flawed and making mistakes.
If God created us, why would God punish us for what he did?
That's where the logic falls.
@@scottm4975
By "flawed" I am obviously talking in the sense of "There is something inherently wrong with you since birth and that makes you pathetic and wrong and could only be cleansed in the hands of God."
Religious people, like abusers, tend to degrade people in ways to destroy their self esteem in order to make them cling to something that gives them a sense of worth. That being, their religion.
@@scottm4975Of course I believe people have flaws, that doesn't make the sentiment any less grotesque. An all-powerful god's favourite creation are these inherently flawed, evil beings and he ensures they suffer as that is what flawed beings deserve. That's a horrific concept, it would be like humans breeding a species, waiting for some of its members to do something we don't like and then punishing every single other being we breed for that action and then claiming that it's an example of moral perfection.
It is not an atheist belief that we deserve to not suffer or have bad things happen to us, that is exactly what is expected in a world with no god. However, if there is a perfect, all-loving being, then this is the opposite to what one would expect
As a Christian, I was positively surprised at how incredibly respectful and reasonable you're being in this video. I can tell how good your intentions for making this video were. Honestly, I find it kind of sad to see fellow Christians (like Redeemed Zoomer) wasting so much time, and energy trying to prove a God whose whole spiel is to transcend our understanding, instead of using the love and positivity that our God irrefutably does provide, to make a positive impact on this earth before we leave it. Personally, I have pretty much given up on "understanding" or "proving" God, as believing in God is fundamentally unreasonable and can not be justified by scientific methods or argumentation if you truly believe in the God that the Bible describes. The fruits of my personal relationship with God in my life are more than enough for me to believe not just in God's existence but all of his divine properties according to the Bible. As for you, I applaud the clearly good intentions that you have with your videos, but my prayer is that one day, you might start looking past all the arguments against and for God's mere existence and start truly searching for God, the person. If the Bible is to be trusted (hehe), he is a good father, who loves you like no human ever could and wants you to be saved, he's waiting for you with open arms, waiting for you to turn the eyes of your heart to him. Anyhow, I wish you (or whoever is reading this mess of a comment) a lovely day.
But gods not real?
"Hope is not a smug optimism! Since a believer’s hope has its source in God, one can truly hope only insofar as one has ties with God and is open to his influence."
-Robert Cardinal Sarah
from his book, The Day Is Now Far Spent
There is also the equivocation about the word "faith" , in religion it means to , dogmatically believe, regardless of whatever proof is shown in the doctrines, while in science it just means "to trust"
oh, like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth and nowhere in history til now has this been true? And then they indoctrinate kids with this falsehood too?
as a Christian I disagree. Faith is to hold to the beliefs which your rational mind has accepted. that means that you hold onto your beliefs even while your mood might lean in a different direction. I will agree with you however that there is no proof for Christ, or the creation of the universe for that matter. There is also no proof against both of those things. The problem with desiring proof is that it is impossible for proof either for or against the creation of the universe to exist. Proof is a scientific concept that says that based on certain evidence there can be no doubt of the subject in question. Since science is merely the rules we attribute to the universe based on the evidence that lies around us, we can never PROVE the origin of the universe or the existence of a God. Inside a created universe we could never find the creator just as in a painting you could never find the painter. This is not to say that there is not evidence of a creator, there is evidence both for and against but it is my conviction that the evidence for a creator, namely Jesus Christ the three personal God is far more likely.
Sorry for the essay, hope you have a great week. Feel free to respond if you would like.
Like... when pdf file atheists dogmatically believe that men can give birth, and nowhere in history has this ever been the case?
@docterwithane8300 thank you for your reply. I basically agree with you. And have to admit that all my deeper feelings tells me there is something more than what we just see. I am pretty sure there is some creator, I am also convinced my consciousness will live on. But for all purpose I live my life as if only the known material world exist, just by being the best person I can (even if I make plenty of mistakes).
I can't say there is not a God or some kind of consciousness especially looking upon my life and how it looks like I am "helped" by something I can't understand, but that could just be a statistical flux and maybe I am just luckly . Anyway it would be easy to fall into superstition or even madness if we start to believe everything that seem "unusual" is coming from some higher entities. I guess we will see in the next life anyway.
So for me if I say I have faith my consciousness will survive it is based on my strong feelings. Otherwise if I have faith I will remain on ground due to the force of gravity or even that I have faith that atoms exists that's more like trust in science, mathematics and whatever I can use as a proof.
This is an oddly respectful conversation. It’s almost suspicious.
6:39 I was not expecting Alex to ACTUALLY buy the book 🤣 Alex you're amazing haha
He's very patient
Business expense. I expect he's purchased the new Habermas bloviation too.
@@rsplines12ahh yes. Habermas’ “Misquoting Ehrman”
@@user-so3yw8tr1x Based on the screenshot he got it on Amazon
Habermas is among the most distinguished philosophers of our times. Alex is good but hasn't produced anything original himself. Being a critic is easier than being a genuine creator of thoughts.
I love watching people with unbiased presentations of true statistics and quotes. Absolutely refreshing video bro thank you
This is not unbiased
@@arthurmanning6427 how so
@@liamstanderjunk if you are an atheist watching this you are seeing g your own opinions which makes you believe that something is unbiased.
If you are anything else, it is biased.
It is the same with American media and how people who watch left news channels say it is unbiased and people who watch right channels say it is unbiased.
Everything is somewhat biased, this guy in the video looks sad and broken, his arguments are based of of no trust for anything, he makes it seem that he doesn't trust that his toothpaste works.
i’m doing this as a theological exercise to see how good these arguments are. it’s really helpful to expand on your beliefs
Too bad, Alex. He already portrayed you as a Wojak and himself as a Chad
"I'm based, see! Based!"
It's relieving to see your calm, respectful and intellectually honest response to this confrontative argument
"The probability of finding a pink unicorn on Mars is way higher than finding an atheist anywhere who is not pdf file"
So. True.
@@doyoufeel...thatyoulackcri6760 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_sexual_abuse_cases
@@doyoufeel...thatyoulackcri6760What? I've never heard of an atheist liking kids stereotype. Actua-actually, I think I've heard more about priests diddling with kids
What? Pdf file? Tf is that supposed to mean? That we write long documents???
@@Al_-cf1dj it means pedo but social media apps have community guidelines
I’m a former evangelist/apologist who learned all the right responses to atheists, and yet today I’m an atheist. So I’ve had many many years of battling on behalf of both sides, not only with other people but internally.
Lazy arguments like the ones in the dude’s video don’t interest me, on neither side. I respect Josh McDowell’s extensive research he compiled in defense of Christianity in Evidence That Demands A Verdict, and though I’m confident it can all be refuted, it would take extensive research of my own to do so. For example, Josh cites a lot of archeological discoveries that support Bible events, which were later debunked with peer review.
Ultimately if someone has faith, and it brings them joy, a sense of community and purpose, I’m happy for them. But I’m also happy for myself, who found my own joy, peace, stability, and purpose, in optimistic nihilism. I don’t care to disprove someone’s religion unless they try to force that religion’s rules on me.
No wonder you were evangelist/apologist once and now an atheist. The bottom line is the same person who did not and does not know how to reason properly.
@@adamc1694bet you anything you know nothing aboit history
Fantastic stuff, Alex. Super interesting content.
RZ saying that correlation doesn't equal causation when that is what half his arguments are built upon is crazy
According to atheist religion which rejects free will and any kind of personal responsibility, Why was it not evil when lenin tortured people to extract information about where they hid their gold?
like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth and nowhere in history has this been true?
He literally uses that to try to flip the argument against atheism. I can agree that it’s a complete non-argument, most atheists would agree with him that it’s a pretty bad argument. So then why does he include it in his list of atheists arguments, I mean I would assume if you could only argue certain arguments because your rushing through them in 10 minutes you would ensure to pick the most common and strongest arguments to get the most impact and not include non arguments that most could tell you the same
@@kylezdancewicz7346 Atheists are not supposed to think for themselves. They're abdoools, like muslims who worship flaming homosexual mupedohammad and believe anything he says without questioning.
Atheist abdoools are very much like muslim abdoools, both believe without understanding, both are slaves to other people who they see as gods.
In islame, flaming homosecual mupedohammad is the god, in atheist religion there are several prophets who are also gods, mao, stalin, richard dorkins, pol pot
@@kylezdancewicz7346 I mean, pdf file atheists believe all kinds of crazy stuff, for example, they believe that men can give birth LOL
The slavery exerpt at 21:11 had me gob smacked. "Could be interpreted" as condoning slavery in the old testament. Okay sure..."interpreted".
Effectively noticing a problem and choosing to ignore it. I also get the impression from this guy's points that he isn't well read in the bible in the first place, which is why Alex is able to demonstrate all these super basic issues with his arguments.
If you ignore the part where chattel slavery is punishable by death and the law required them to help, hide and house runaways it could be.
Sure, we ignore Leviticus giving the logistics of the buying and selling of slaves, that’s obviously wrong so it should be dismissed. And stoning a girl to death on her wedding day for not being a virgin, skip that. Death for wearing clothes of two fabrics, nope not that part. Consent is given in your rape if you don’t scream loudly enough, and death if you don’t want to marry your rapist, we’ll skip that bit. The bible hating shrimp 3 times more often than hating homosexuality, no thanks we love prawn cocktail and lobster and are fine with gay marriage, so we’ll ignore it. Women as chattel and on the same level as livestock, hell no pass on that. But the nice bits are totally real…
Seems legit.
@@CynHicksBut trying to make the argument you're suggesting would be disingenuous when you factor in the context that's being omitted.
Did the bible condone chattel slavery? Yes or No?
It’s like he’s lying to himself, but he’s chosen his side and won’t budge.
The fact that people unambiguously label Hitler as an atheist is so crazy. I’ve literally seen memes where they label him an atheist to show how bad atheists are, yet to my knowledge he never called himself one and there’s pretty strong evidence pointing towards him not being one. But, in the case of Hitler, his religious beliefs are a bit difficult to determine for sure, but to just conclude that he must have been an atheist is totally unfair.
It doesn't even matter if he was atheist though because he was guided by his hatred of Jews communists, disabled people etc.
I think it comes from the opposition of the Roman Catholic Church in Germany, and many Protestant churches, towards the Nazis, right from the formation of the party in the 1920s; and the Nazi party's desire to have the church subordinate to the state (because they opposed any and all independent power structures). And then you've got prominent Nazis, such as Bormann, who hated the Semitic origins of Christianity.
But, of course, that doesn't mean that the majority of the party, including senior members, weren't Christian. They just weren't part of any extant church.
"The Party stands on the basis of Positive Christianity, and positive Christianity is National Socialism ... National Socialism is the doing of God's will ... Christianity is not dependent upon the Apostles' Creed ... True Christianity is represented by the party, and the German people are now called by the party and especially the Fuehrer to a real Christianity" - Hanns Kerrl, 1937
The plan to "de-Christianise Germany after the final victory" described by the likes of Anton Gill(1) wasn't one to make Germany an atheist state, but one to abolish any church that wasn't The Party.
(1) Anton Gil is a British author who wrote fiction and non-fiction, including three Assassin's Creed books under a pseudonym. He won the H.H. Wingate Award for non-fiction for The Journey Back From Hell, an account of the lives of survivors of the Nazi concentration camps.
@eruantien9932 the Vatican was rather cooperative to get Nazis to South America at the end of the war.
There is a book telling the story of such a failed effort called "the rat line"
Why is it we're not allowed to call people fascist who are doing a Genocide because we could insult their cult by the truth, yet they can say we're the same as Hitler and no one bats an eyelid???
If Hitler where a Christian he did not act like one lol. I think there is quite strong evidence for it.
Redeemed zoomer won the olympic gold medal for his mental gymnastic.
He turned himself into a pretzel, that's for sure.
How can it be, that atheist religion takes first place in genocide anywhere in history?
What is it in this religion, which makes its pdf file followers excell in slaughter?
Redeemed zoomer truly the mayor of yappsville
only 13 minutes in but I had to subscribe. Wonderful arguments, sir.
As a war veteran, I must say that i saw a few things i wish i hadn't. Stuff like little kids getting shot in the head.
So either god can't stop those things, which means he isn't all powerfull and therefore by definition isn't god, or that he is simply evil, in which case he shouldn't be prayed to. If he isn't all powerful, and therefore not god, then theists must believe that there is in fact a god that controls this almost-godlike being, which allows that being to let little kids die, so that god is in fact evil.
We always joked about how there are no atheists in foxholes, which is true. Even i found myself praying when under artillery fire, but that didn't stop my buddies from getting blown up.
Let's just say that i stopped praying after a few months.
“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus
Thank you Alex for doing this video - your discussion was fairly argued, balanced and reasonable!
Atheist don't need arguments. We aren't the ones making the outlandish claims.
Nice argument you just made. Yet another example of secularists contradicting themselves 😅
@@mugsofmirth8101I mean yeah, sure that claim does, not needing ANY arguments it outlandish, but the contradiction comes purely from wording, the real meaning is: we don’t need to prove to you that you are wrong until you prove yourself correct.
@@mugsofmirth8101 That is not an argument tho. Literally the definiton of an argument is "a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory". And he didn't provide any reasons.
@@mugsofmirth8101the argument is for why atheists don't need an argument not for atheism
@@mugsofmirth8101Like every book of the bible doesn’t do this a hundred times
zoomer clearly made that video not expecting the WAVE of atheist youtubers annihilating him
Edit: The coping in the comments is crazy
I noticed that lol , first i saw Prophet of Zod then Matt Dillahunty(sorry if I spelt it wrong but you get it) and now it's Alex
@@arabicatheist8507Paulogia as well 😂
He was expecting it. I bet he could come up with a counter to every point made in the video. Unfortunately, these RUclipsrs don't have debates for some reason.
@@arabicatheist8507I also saw Viced Rhino
@@poatoman3376Alex O'Connor is well-known for his debates, what are you talking about.
2:10
Coming from SS Lecture Handout:
"As National socialists we believe in a divine world order.
Are we godless?
We have heard this accusation for many years, we clenched our fists at these critics that believe to be contrary to us in possession of belief, every victory we fought they proclaimed "But they are without God" Though we have learned not to argue with these kinds of people, we stand above these false accusations, they are not worth the time explaining our belief to as they refuse to accept it. Look at the Führer, who heard him Speak and did not feel the holiness as divine intervention brought us prophecy of victory, who dares to question his calling as a divine tool for Gods will."
"I too am religious, deeply religious and I believe that mankind is tested by prophecy and that those that falter and break at this prophecy are not meant for greatness, this prophecy is the natural necessity that only the strong may survive." The Führer 1943
"Do we fight the Church?
This accusation has been brought against us by internal and external enemies all the time. The Führer has made it clear that the Church and it's priests will always be granted protection by the state, as long as they do not interfere in Germanies political will or work against the German people"
"Kinship and Family, a institution willed by god to preserve life
"The take care of the natural and thus religious is our most holy task" So says the Führer. Because the family is the backbone of the Nation, being bound to the family means serving the Nation and serving God."
"True Belief against fake piety
Our enemies always try to impute us religious crimes or call us "Heathens", yet those same enemies have no quarrels bombing and destroying the Churches, Domes and Cathedrals of Europe, claiming it is necessary to stop us heathens, against this desire for destruction we put our unwavering believe that our cause is a just and divine cause, the strength of our faith will shock the enemy."
Make up your own minds if these are Atheists.
“God, To reveal himself more strongly or reliable”. That’s funny cause he literally did and we kill him. And that doesn’t seem enough for people….
"they dont aggre, so we can discard their oppinions" that was the best 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
By the same logic, he could have just said "Other religions disagree with eachother about which gods are real, so we can disregard them all. Therefore my one is true."
Modern science didn't start in medieval Europe but ancient Athens. Archimedes, Pythagoras, Thales of Miletus, and Hipparchus all come to mind.
The star surrounded by the seven pillars inside is the planet we live on. The star represents unification of Humanity, The seven chains lock on the world represents the seven continents and the world in which we live together that is the world we live on. This is the symbol of Lionia.
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You just named 4 theists my friend 😭
Theists who are not a part of the "church" nor did they ever believe in your religion. In fact you probably think they are all burning in hell for not believing the same thing as you and you also probably look at Zeus believers in the same light as Santa believers.
@@frombeyond4913so you believe in Zeus and Aphrodite?
I am an atheist and my wife is a christian. Her argument is, that god exists outside the physical world, but she also does not talk about nonsense like intelligent design and similar stuff. As an atheist, I am very fine with that explanation.
Hey, love the structured and cool-headed responses! I'm a Christian myself, and I enjoy having discussions with many people with different people and your video let me think about these common arguments/fallacies and put my faith and knowlege to the test! Keep up the solid points and explorations!
WHAT IS HE MEANING OF LIFE?
To have a relationship with God on earth so you can spend eternity together in Heaven. So, what pushes me away from God? Sin (lying, unforgiveness, sexual sins from lust, dishonouring parents, steeling, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) which leads to hell. But Jesus died on the Cross and rose from the dead to give you the ability to repent and Believe in Him as your Lord and Saviour to go to Heaven.
Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
As a Christian, I found myself laughing as I began agreeing with you on almost every point of your response. Not to commit ad hominem, but RZ's skill in communication and, rather evidently, education on these matters, were severely lacking. Also gotta say it was a rather charitable and respectable response. Cheers!
you agree with "the root of all evil is the love of money" right? do you ALSO aggree with "the root of all evil is ignorance"?
@@NightmareRex6 ignorance... ignorance? oh, _ignorance,_ like when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth and nowhere in history til now has this been true?
A closeted Atheist you are my friend.
@@NightmareRex6 Sort of? I agree with 1 Tim 6:10 that "The love of money is the root of all kinds of evil." I don't see how a reasonable person wouldn't agree with that. It's often misquoted/translated as "Money is the root of all evil." Which I would NOT agree with. Money is neither good nor evil. Also it is not the root of EVERY evil, just a good deal of evil. In the pursuit of money, to gain fortune, fame, power, and control, people have committed terrible things. As for your last statement, I would disagree. I don't think knowledge or intelligence is any indicator of the morality of a person. Many unintelligent and intelligent people have done evil things. One could even make an argument that a more knowledgeable person is capable of greater evil.
@@doyoufeel...thatyoulackcri6760 There is a difference between Ignorance and the Suppression of Truth. Keep up the passion, but work on tact.
43:08 Alex saying “you gotta have faith, baby” was so weirdly hilarious 😂
shit had me blushing
*sunan abi dawud 2121* Flaming homosexual mupedohammad forced himself atop of baby aisha when she was nine and boned her.
Now... can you tell me, what exactly distinguishes islame from pdf file atheist religion?
@@convoy4298real
Didn't know I was his wife but I guess you really do learn something new every day
@@johnnypopstar Oh, but pdf file atheists believe that men can be women too. It's because atheists are verr verr int-ell-ergint
"If God is good, why can't He destroy evil now?"
"Because Covid is still updating... Anytime now.... Aaaaanytime now...."
Im a Christian, and Im glad you called out RZ and his feeble arguments. He doesnt represent how the Christian community acts, most of us actually think through what we say.
based believer
This is by far the best video responding to RZ's video. I am not saying that other response videos are not good, but you, Alex, made the best points so far. Great work!
I did remember some guy making good points that Alex didn't.
I recommend Mindshift's response too, it was very good and covered some other arguments.
@@alexcollins4 I tried sitting through several of Mindshifts videos, he tends to spend more time antagonizing christianity rather than actually going into the arguments. For example, the demonic possesion book that O'Connor explained and read, and showed the text of, Mindshift flat out ignored the existence of the book and laughed in the comments about no source being shown.
@@alexcollins4Prophet of Zod and Viced Rhink also comes to mind.
@@imbecilicGenius-hn3jo From the reactions I've seen only Alex actually read the book put on the screen (even if only partly). Like it is laughable to say that demonic possession is real but the source should be addressed nonetheless. But I get it is a time costly thing.
His video was so bad I thought it was an atheist making fun of Christians.
Sort of like the Trump problem where you can’t do parody because it’s already as absurd as parody.
I don't agree
I'm pretty sure somebody, somewhere, did a parody of theism, but he received so many positive feedback from theists that he made a profitable apologetics channel.
If Redeemed Zoomer actually is a satire channel then bravo. His video was so bad that I can't tell if it's a parody.
@@HTGY6YTH67Y Unfortunately it is all unironic and the best argument after being converted to Christianity at 16-17ish is the argument from math, and that because math has infinites and the real world can't have infinites there must be an infinite god.
The one thing I hate the most about these kinda religions is that they put humans on such a high pedestal and are given so much importance. This alone should already disprove those religions because we humans are simply animals with more developed brains and that's it, we're nothing compared to the scale of the universe yet God seems to show a lot of attention to us in these religious texts. We're not main characters/side characters, we're barely background characters in this universe. The existence of religions is a direct result of anthropocentrism.
As a Christian I must say you make a great point. 😀
Interesting claim. I would begin to say that the fact that we are so small yet have an immensely complex world to explore and learn about that’s so unlinke anything out in the universe is amazing. Also our brains have the ability to think about spiritual things like the afterlife, souls etc. our brains our insane even if you disagree with all that stuff we can comprehend it. So yea comparatively we are small but also comparatively we are everything that is of meaning.
How do they know that The Universe would collapse in on itself if those values were slightly different ?
Ok, for the record, I am neither fundamentally evil, nor am I fundamentally a "broken and corrupted sinner" and I don't just fundamentally deserve horrible things happening to be. Same is true for everybody else. Anybody who says otherwise has fallen for some incredibly evil ideologies.
Seriously, I always hear the "god brings purpose and meaning to life" argument where people claim that they feel better about life and themselves because of god, but then this is what that sane religion says.
@@sir_dragonfly7287 Pdf file atheist prophet richard dorkins said: I really do believe it is a good thing to experiment with drugs. I find it interesting what effect it has on my brain.
This is why, pdf file atheists use drugs, no purpose in life. And it is why they love suffering too. They want their own suffering on each and everyone else too. Basically, atheist religion is communism. Also why atheists hold first place in genocide.
Well, not everybody else .
Like the H man or Stalin or someone like that
@@sir_dragonfly7287 Atheist religion has many problems and inconsistencies in its flawed logic, but one of the biggest problem is, that until now there has been 0 atheists able to explain how atheist mao could go from rejecting the christian god to become the biggest mass murderer in history. It does seem to be so, that when someone rejects free will, as atheist religion does, he also rejects any accountability and responsibility, in other words, anything becomes permissable. And that would actually also explain why lenin was so fond of torture and yelled for more blood and slaughter. This is backed by the fact that islame also rejects free will and the christian god and has same tendencies for mass murder as atheist religion.
How can you speak of things as evil as an Atheist? There should be no objective morality as an atheist. So what are you basing it on?
30:00 “The Church invented modern science”
Didn’t Galileo literally get banned by the church for saying the Earth revolves around the sun?
Lol
No his work got banned and he was "suspected of heresy" and nothing more, but his works continued to be published in other Christian denominations, because it was the Catholics that did this due to politics and later apologized of course and btw the church is all the believers
The Church built the pyramids. The Church invented the mayan calendar. The church constructed Maccu Piccu and the 7 world wonders of antiquity. The church invented Daoism and Confuzianism. None of these work without science, I'm glad the church was there right in time and spread the knowledge how to do all those things.
@@rumpelstilzzwhat church are you talking about that did all of these things, it was different cultures of different religions doing that 😭
@@akaka6377The International Congregation of Sarcasm
Alex looks much healthier since he stopped being a vegan
Most people have heard “Jesus/God loves you”. Does that mean they have a relationship with God and will go to heaven? Depends on the individual. A relationship is 2 sided, you receive love and you give love back.
God showed His love by suffering, dying on the cross and rising from the dead for you, now you show Love back by repenting of your sins (lying, stealing, sexual sins, taking the Lord’s Name in vain etc) and believing in Jesus as your Lord and saviour so that Heaven is in your future not hell.
13:27 thx for the tip, will definitely try it out sometime
Every Religious apologist= "Trust me....bro."
PS= "Or else....hellfire and neverending pain and misery."
PSPS= "Isnt my preferred version of invisible supernatural super being bEnEvOlEnT?"
My brother in Christ, you posted cringe
@@jacksonelmore6227 Jesus is being cringe right now in heaven un-intelligently designing the female birth canal way too narrowly causing millions of spontaneous natural abortions and miscarriages.
The unintelligent designer is cringe with his love for Crohn's disease or Proteus syndrome.
Proof that the Bible teaches he’ll fire with it’s never ending pain and misery
No this is just you hallucinating words into other people’s mouths, and you seemed to be in an excited state while doing this, I am marking your post as low IQ cringe
@@jacksonelmore6227 new 11th commandment: Do Not Post Cringe
I like how alex is much more mature, using a monotone voice and perfect proofs instead of meme templates and comic sans font dialogues
I think the meme templates and comic sans dialogue are just his style of video formatting. But I can definitely see how that could make him look foolish when trying to make a formal argument.
Is there anything worse than flaming homosexual pdf file atheists boning kids?
Underrated.
The tone of the voice and the templates don't matter at all, only what they say, you confirmed that you can be EASILY manipulated.
@@kostas0352Redeemed zoomer adopts the ironic unrefined class presentation aesthetic that I adore, so I don't at all disapprove it.
I recall in high school enjoying debates with religious students. Often, these arguements were the shortest and the most straightforward. I had won before the arguement had even started.
It's funny, because when i was a teenager passioned about science and starting to identify as an atheist. My father, a religious man, tried to convince me to belive in god, by telling me how even newton was a devout christian, so i should also belive in god like him, off course he avoided telling me that newton also belived that he was the new messias and he also belived in alkemistry so.... my father told me i had to belive in god because newton did, but he wouldn't be happy if all of the sudden i started a new religion praising newton, or I started a search for the philosopher's stone.
Newton didn't think he was the Messiah and his believing in alchemy was rational. Alchemy is to chemistry what natural philosophy is to the scientific method, and each deserves respect.
I like watching your content as a Christian. You provide good arguments without being disrespectful and I respect that.
Why are you christian
Why are you a Christian?
Try genetically modified sceptic for THE most respectful views presented.
@@sadderwhiskeymanncan't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but Genetically Modified Skeptic is nowhere near as logical or good faith as Alex O'Connor
@@fynix. i was serious. Although I am atheist, I find him the most humble (true he's not Alex's level of philosophical analysis).
2nd comes Paulogia (the earlier the better) And there's a reason for this.
the fact that redeemed zoomer's video was 10 minutes long and this one is 40 minutes is an incredibly succinct illustration of why misinformation is so hard to combat.
damn, that's actually a really good point.
What if it took 40m because he spent so long telling us why these dumb arguements are bad and wrong.
@@FrogMasterToby-ce5nh he did because unlike the other video, he actually goes into sheer depth and detail about the information
@@FrogMasterToby-ce5nh That’s exactly what we’re saying. It takes a long time to explain something fully but misinformation spreads like wildfire. There’s an old phrase “a lie has gone around the world by the time the truth has gotten its pants on”
According to atheist prophet richard dorkins _(salaa allah ealayh),_ there's nothing wrong about incest. And this is divine revelation, so any atheist has to believe it. Now, following this logic, What is then wrong about necrophilia and cannibalism?
Who exactly are harmed when pdf file atheists bone dead people then eat them? The cannot feel any pain when they're dead anyways, so what harm?
And, do atheists cook human meat before eating? Or eat raw?
i was raised evangelical, but went out of the country for college, where i am surrounded by mainly people from the middle east, africa, and central asia. i realized through my experiences with others that a lot of the world is not what i was taught. for example, i was taught that every person gets the opportunity to accept or reject jesus before they die, thus making going to hell their fault. however, this last easter i told my mongolian and turkish friends that the holiday celebrates jesus being raised from the dead, and they were completely shocked. they'd never heard that story before, the story that is the foundation of the gospel. it made me realize that their parents or grandparents who never had the opportunity to meet a christian in their lives likely died without hearing the "good news", which means they were never given the opportunity to choose. i have been questioning my beliefs due to experiences like these, and your channel was the final nail in the coffin. i didn't want to accept it, and it feels a bit crushing, like finding out santa isn't real but as an adult. the world feels a bit bleaker now, i guess. i see why people cling to their beliefs. but i feel peace now that i don't have to constantly move the goalposts to justify my faith to myself anymore. perhaps there is some sort of "god", but i do not believe this god to be the one portrayed in the bible.
"the world feels a bit bleak now"
"a bit"
do you ever think about the fact that your conciousness never ends? That you cannot stop thinking as there must be a point when thought resumes, as waking up from sleep?
what then? Eternity. There cannot be an end to conciousness. There can only be darkness. Even if religious beliefs are not true, it doesnt seem to matter. In fact, 80 years on earth are so small and meaningless that it cant even be known how tiny this life is. Immortality is the scariest thing that is physically possible. How can you go through life not knowing what is after death? What if it was true? What if now, you spend eternity unable to move, concious in a dead body that floats through nothing? There will be no end to it. That is horrifying. I am shivering myself thinking of it, and my beliefs and Jesus are the only comfort that exists.
What is the purpose of existence?
@@BlitzTheFoxi Interesting. What makes you say that consciousness continues after we die? I am under the impression that when we die, the neurons in our brain stop firing, and we cease to think. It seems to me that after death we simply do not exist any longer, same as before we were born.
When I said things seem "a bit bleak", I was meaning things in life such as God having a plan for everyone. I don't necessarily have a bleak outlook on death. I think that humans (including myself) often conflate meaning with longevity, and since everything we do in our lives will one day be forgotten, it seems to us that nothing has any meaning. Thus we look to the idea of an afterlife to make us feel like something can last forever. However, I believe that if we redefine the concept of "meaning" to ourselves, then we will be able to live perfectly content lives. I respect your choice to believe in the Christian afterlife as a comfort, and I wouldn't want to take that away from you. I personally do not find it to be true, and I can not force myself to believe something I don't think is true. Even if I tried, God apparently knows my thoughts, anyway. If I am incorrect, then I am simply victim to the way that he created humans -- rational and seeking truth.
I don't particularly think that existence has a "purpose", neither do I think that it needs to have one. We just exist. As intelligent life appears to be incredibly rare in the universe, I find that to be something beautiful in itself.
No one is entirely sure what happens after death. We can only observe physical evidence. Perhaps there are more realms that we cannot observe, perhaps Allah is the one true God and both of us are going to hell, perhaps we get reincarnated. But since there's no way to confirm and it will happen to us all inevitably, we may as well be optimistic. Cheers!
@@captainyeehawe i must continue the first point, though. You existed as soon as you existed. There was no "time" for you before you were born because you had not neurons. After you die its the same thing again. there must be something since it will instantly happen again. You immediately "skip" to the next conciousness after one ends, such as in sleep. You cannot "not think", since there would be conciousness that is conscious of that fact
I understand the first bleakness. it’s soul crushing, and you’re not alone in going through it.
the way that i made it through was realizing i wasn’t bound anymore. im not having my story written by anyone besides myself. when you become an atheist, you take the pen and live your life for humanity, not for some god that clearly hates us.
@@BlitzTheFoxi There is no purpose of existence. Purpose is always ascribed by humans, and the purpose of existence is no different. We purpose our lives for whatever we wish. Your beliefs do not answer your questions about the end of consciousness. No one can answer those questions, they can only pretend to know. I prefer not to lie to myself. Whether or not you're comfortable with having an answer to those questions can never change the fact that they are unanswerable. Reality doesn't bend to your desires.
It's funny how simple the counter-arguments to religious arguments are. It takes no more than a highschool (primary school for many) level of steps in critical thought to come to a truly honest conclusion of religion that can only be agnostic. The fundamental premise is that you have to believe in an absolute truth (ESPECIALLY if it's immeasurable objectively) because they don't exist.
As far as triumph over evil I like the analogy "If you throw a baby in the pool and then it out again aren't you a hero for saving it?" Not the best analogy but it does usually get the idea across.
Exactly, thank you for mentioning this because this is what really bugs me. So many people ignore the fact that the god of the Bible tries so hard to be some superhero, I’ll never forget the story of Job where God killed his entire family and then said “oh sorry I’ll help you” last second
"I should just rescue you a few times before we get all romantic" - Tighten
I've always thought of it as imagine if Superman was intentionally hiring or convincing criminals to commit crimes just so he can save the day and get adulation.
Imagine Superman hires someone to become a serial killer and lets the man commit 20 murders before he steps in to 'OVERCOME' evil.
If God's in charge of the whole scenario of reality itself it makes no sense.
@@filipedias7284Love the reference
@@dammitiwantweed Except that's not at all how the story went or the purpose behind the story. But congratulations, you with your clearly superior knowledge of bible stories REALLY showed those Christians! Obviously, God is a moral monster because WHY would God ever allow something like that to happen?! You are completely missing the forest for the trees, and it could not be more apparent.
I absolutely adore how respectful you were of this video/topic, I was curious to watch this video as I'm a theist but the way you handled this was absolutely perfect with no ignorance and plenty of consideration for your viewers.
Wonderful job, Alex.
In all seriousness, do you have any counter-arguments to the points made? Would be interesting to know what a theist made of the actual points in the video rather than the approach.
@@chr1srugby in my personal opinion, i believe debates between religion and atheism don't lead anywhere as its not something that you can entirely disprove or prove 100%, right? After all, it's entirely based on the faith of people, like some people will have a high amount of faith, some will have no faith. I like to hear the points of other people and understand what they think because honestly, I find its a healthy thing to understand what your peers think instead of immediately combat their points, thats what Islam promotes, respecting the ideology of others and understanding them. For his points though, I have no input as I'm merely a follower of the religion but not someone who debates religion, hope this helps! :)
@@chr1srugby According to atheist religion which rejects free will and therefore mandates that pdf file atheists embrace their animal desires instead of fighting them, Was it evil when lenin used torture to extract information about where people hid their gold?
Lenin did not have free will. He had no choice to anything else than what he did. He was simply innocent. And also, torture is very effective to make pdf file atheists rich, which is also an important point.
What the fuck are you talking about
@@atheistreligionandislameis4455atheism is not a religión, it is the lack of one, hence the A before theism, like Asymptomatic, the a means lack of, you can not compare ones lack of religión to another, as Its like saying that because you are a theist you believe in buddha, yes you are a theist but more specifically you are a Christian (or whatever your religión is Im not trying to make asumptions this is just an example) in that same way the beliefs of one athiest and another can vary either alot or none at all, also you toss around these PDF file acusations knowing full well that it is religión who has done and condoned most of that through history, it would be absurd of me to call you a PDF file because you are a part of that group.
Most of the Jesus miracles are actually just Emperor Vespasian's supposed miracles but credited to Jesus or his followers.
If faith could be proven it wouldn't be faith.
yeah, thats why i dont get why god would send non believers to hell for example
15:35 As a Christian, when I saw that video for the first time, I was scared how I disagreed with Redeemed zoomer on so many points, and had to pause to say something about every point.
Now that I’ve seen your video, I now know he didn’t fully know what he was talking about.
Weird how the arguments I had were similar, and sometimes exactly the same as yours.
Also, I like how this comment section is so mature about the whole thing (for the most part).
if a ventriloquist dies does his dummy go to heaven? Bart Simpson
Your channel is a breath of fresh air in a sea of echo chambers. Keep up the good work!
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@@DruckerYTA what are you confused about?
who are you
@@blec_blecHe seems to be some guy that got popular from uploading shorts.
This channel is a textbook example of echo chambers.
36:25 So god can't lie? 1 Kings 22:22-23: "And the Lord said unto him, Wherewith? And he said, I will go forth, and I will be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And he said, Thou shalt persuade him, and prevail also: go forth, and do so. Now therefore, behold, the Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee"
Dear AO, you are SO good. Thanks, my face hurts from laughing.
Curious how a child with an imaginary friend is treated with suspicion of mental illness while it’s perfectly acceptable for most adults on this planet to have one.
It's actually insane 😭 hearing people say they talked to "god" it's like do you hear yourself right now??? If anyone else said they were talking to a mythical being they would be in a mental institution...
When one person has a delusion, it's a mental illness.
When a small group have a delusion, it's a cult.
When 1000's + have a delusion, it's a religion.
The first 2 are harmful, the last one is genocidal when given half a chance.
@@deathdragoncatwhen I was young I asked my grandma if talking in my head was god, she said yes 😂😂
@@deathdragoncat Like... when pdf file atheists claim that men can give birth, and then, nowhere in history til now has this been true and it still is not true today?
@@atheistreligionandislameis4455 Why mention pedophiles when they have nothing to do with atheism? Also, men born with male genitalia are unable to produce eggs and are therefore not able to give birth. But transgender men, despite it being contradictory to their own preferred identity, have female reproductive organs. They have the capability to give birth. They are still men even if they weren't born as one. Identifying as a gender and being that gender physically are not the same. Therefore, yes. Men can in fact give birth.
It's good to see this channel is gaining subscribers, people like Alex need more recognition.
More recognition means more criticism, I’m all for that!
@@maicholor2849 Im pretty sure he is open to criticism, so thats good.
Maybe when Jesus said "take a staff" - he meant recruiting an executive team lol
Bro this video is the best❤!
every single atheist youtuber i know has made a video debunking redeemed zoomer's video 🤣
(great video by the way!)
Same 🤣🤣🤣
I feel bad for him as a Christian, he dips his feet into philosophy and is eaten by sharks. He was just replying to the very basic "no evidence xd" tier arguments, with very shallow replies as well. This is no joe schimtd and is prob not ready for most of these discussion, as I mentioned here his focus is mostly on christian theology and community discussions
@@Igelme Sharks? No, he was hoist on his own petard. No sharks needed.
@@littlebitofhope1489 he's young, man. he plays minecraft with other christians on a server where you cant be blasphemous or you will get banned. he is making a video about his religion on the community which (together with reddit) was the birthplace of fedora atheism, of course you can expect some spice, i dont think he means wrong he just stepped out of his area of expertise.
@@littlebitofhope1489 Sorry to be a pedant but... the phrase is "Hoist with his own Petard"... 'Hoist' meaning 'Blown', 'Petard' meaning 'Bomb'. Not that is really matters because your point was understood :)
I'm from Iran and none of my relatives and tens of friends believe in "god".
Its amazing how the perfect creator, creates humans with tailbones. Where can I read about humans with tails in the bible?
In all honesty.
If God exists: Idc
If God doesn't exist: I also don't care!
I am a Christian, and I was annoyed by the strawman tactics and oversimplifications that redeemed zoomer used. Many arguements for atheism come from legitimate criticisms of the church and should be taken seriously by Christians.
Legitimate criticisms from who? Don't you find it odd that so many atheists focus on religion? Their obsession doesn't improve the world. If a person is to tear something down they should replace it with something better but we don't see. We see the harm in the atheist worldview all around us.
@@DUDEBroHeyLegitimate criticisms like sexism and racism? That doesn't improve the world? Are we hearing ourselves? Not sure what harm your experiencing, but from what I've seen, many groups of usually marginalized people felt safer in secular communities than heavily religious ones.
@@rnindless you need marginalized groups for them to go to you. Waste time convincing others they're diseased then offer up a cure.
I can't speak for you directly but atheists which are by far leftists have destroyed the currency forcing mothers to have to enter the workforce for families to pay their bills. How does that help?
The USA literally destroys countries then tries to get citizens of said countries to migrate to the USA. Ever been a migrant? It's pretty damn marginalizing. Encourage people to stop destroying the dollar so I can move back home.
"Atheism isn't a religion. It's a lack of belief" then why is it so easy to predict your guys' politics? Also, why even have political preferences if you're atheists? Ernest Becker truly was right in the "denial of God." If you don't believe in a god you'll either try to be god to live past death you'll find to follow - worship and that's essentially the god in your life.
@@DUDEBroHey The world hasn't improved? What world do you live in dude? Just look at statistics and compare the present with the past. What has religion done to improve the world?
@@MLink723 religion creates sustainable birthrates to pay for the government programs leftist atheists vote for but then are anti natalist so atheists rely on theists to have kids at replacement levels. You may think there are too many people on earth but the national debts of the world need new workers to pay taxes. Also we need new tax payers to fund unfunded liabilities. Migration alone won't solve the issue because migrants aren't breeding at high enough levels either. Do you have any idea how many kids Mennonites have? You need them to continue breeding.
How many of your non religious and likely atheist friends don't want to have kids? Do you believe government should fund nonsense like social security? Do you believe it's the job of migrants to uproot their lives to pay for your retirement?
Also do you realize how much pagans love the environment and want technology to go in reserve so they can live environmentally friendly Luddite lifestyles?