As a former English teacher, I can tell you that the problem isn't a lack of knowledge available, but a lack of being able to use critical thinking skills to determine which sources of information are reliable and which are bogus, and lack in ability to clearly express one's own ideas and opinions regarding the information given. It was a real battle trying to get students to understand that these skills were the ones I was trying to teach, not just a regurgitation of information they Googled.
I also think it's a function of the teacher, school, and resources available. I've had many college classes and grad classes where you can get an A by just showing up and classes that can get someone an A by memorizing back tests and formulas. Very few classes I've had truly made me think about what I was learning and why. Coming from an engineering major where you would think critical thinking is...critical. The classes that made me think the most was actually a speech class...on paper I would think material, energy entropy mass balance would be that class
I think being able to tell what sources of information are reliable these days is difficult for us all. So many different agendas get in the way and the twisting and manipulation of information to suit these agendas make it very difficult to know what’s is reliable anymore.
@@Mythhammer I totally agree. I think all of that existed before the last 4 years, but in the last 4 years it has just become extremely obvious and exaggerated.
Something that has become painfully apparent with the tech giants recently is that we might think we're offloading knowledge and intellectual tasks to a service provided for us, but in reality we're giving control of it to people who already wield considerable power. We should not fear AI deciding to destroy humanity. We should fear AI consolidating power in the hands of those who control access to money, energy, and mineral resources.
Fact - the tech giants are villains. They're like the oil barons of old - fabulous wealth and power, too busy to learn the normal adult maturity, too privileged for perspective, and too involved in politics. But they're ALSO the same poorly socialized egomaniacs they were in high school, who think they know how to do everything - and are eager to implement their dysfunctional ideas on us. That's why we see folks like Elon in politics so heavily, spewing frequently fact-checked reductionism, and "I read the Wikipedia summary, I'm an expert" takes on everything. We've elevated a bunch of people who never learned to function in society. It's time we stop letting tech giants exploit our lives and time to get rich and powerful. Push for regulation. We had free speech before social media - and less anti-intellectual populism. It's not free speech - social media IS the dystopian populist brainwashing we've feared. They won't have to burn books if no one wants or knows how to read anything longer than a tiktok caption
One of the best, most true quotes that my dad ever shared with me was, "The more you know, the more you see." He told me that and gave me the example of the dirt and sand near a creek bed, talking about geology and erosion and whatnot, and how understanding the processes behind it made it so much more interesting than simple sand or dirt. I've spent a lot of time over the last few years learning about storms and severe weather, just because I love learning more about the world around me. Everything becomes so much more vibrant and detailed when you have knowledge as a reference frame to experience the world through.
I literally hate it. Knowing more, and starting to comprehend to some degree how larger systems work is scary as hell. You start to realize just how obscenely complicated the world around you is and just how insignificant you are, and then, it becomes excruciating to deal with know-it-alls who haven't yet come to understand basic reality.
@@yakwabbit That's called being "consciously incompetent," or, in other words, you're smart enough to have some idea of what you don't know. Most people are a tier below that, at "unconsciously incompetent," thinking they have the world figured out while knowing almost nothing about reality, and unfortunately, I am fairly sure they're happier for it.
How can I amplify what @ullrich says above? He/she ? is saying it, hear their spot-on paragraph and generalise. I don't know about geology, but just whatever, the more you know the more you can perceive and it enriches everyone because not only knowledge but being and consciousness is increased, particularly if they point out or share. Please amplify this.
@ulrich - I fully agree. I am always trying to learn. My passion is intelligence/Ai (since the 1970s). I've always wanted to understand the brain. I have 2 kids, and apart from the normal joy of children, I am fascinated to see them learn to understand the world. I marvel at how effortlessly they start to generalise, learn language, strategies etc. I feel that knowing something of the complexity of such problems gives me a richer experience and appreciation of them.
Its not just ipad kids, but also the decay of our internet infrastructure. The internet really isn't this pool of infinite knowledge, its a forest thats constantly rotting away as much as it is growing. Its a perpetually burning library that regularly receives new books. Navigating it requires not just experience, but also knowing its history. There's literal historians out there on RUclips who's entire job is basically recovering lost media and shit, and there's also issues that can't always be resolved during research such as link rot (dead hyperlinks).
Google scraped the internet and put websites on page two or three destroying the incentive that created the internet. Then AI scraped the internet of all the hard work of internet creators. Next there will just be AI created websites to scrape, like a snake eating its tail.
@@wignersfriend2766 you used to get the truth or the correct answer when you looked something up on the internet but that isnt true anymore and it's getting less and less true . The first/top answer you get now isnt the right answer anymore , it is an answer that has been sponsored to be first and or answers based on what the algorithms think you're asking about or think you want to see based on your search history , if you google whether the Holocaust happened , after you look it up a couple of times the algorithms assume you are a holocaust denier and that is what it starts to give you is a bunch of stuff claiming the Holocaust never happened instead of giving the the actual truth about the Holocaust . Anyone can put anything they want on the internet , it isnt filled with just facts anymore . That needs to be known and understood in order to navigate it successfully .
_Why Even Learn Things Anymore?_ - As my physical health continues to deteriorate I've taken to going over my maths and physics textbooks. Online, I go on RUclips to watch STEM videos, including Joe Scott. I can't imagine NOT wanting to learn. Not even at this late stage.
@@jmorris023 I was just living life like everyone else. Now I'm losing my ability to breathe due to a connective tissue disease. Thank you for your concern.
People who are into Math, Science, etc grew up wanting not just answers but how to get those answers and pretty much to question everything... It is a joy to figure things out for yourself. I am also older but like you there is still the interest in the scienes. Hope we both are here to see some of unimagined breakthroughs the next few years will bring..
Just because you can Google something doesn’t make you smart. Googling it and understanding it are two different things. Critical thinking skills are important. The truth is important. The Trivium is important, grammar, logic and rhetoric. This is how we utilize and express valid knowledge.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, it doesn't seem that the majority of people these days would agree. Or they would agree in theory but not in practice. I suppose almost everyone would agree that critical thinking is valuable and important, yet you don't see many examples of critical thinking in interactions online. I likewise agree that grammar and logic are important, but it's obvious that an adherence to grammar is extremely low on the scale of importance; and logic, like critical thinking, is rare in practice. Indeed, if there is one modern fact that never ceases to amaze and dishearten me, it is the ironic contradiction that exists in our modern technological era: That almost everyone has all of the accumulated knowledge in his or her hands at all times, yet almost no one takes advantage of it. This ought to be the Age of Renaissance Men and Women. We should all be experts in multiple areas, yet we're more reliant on "experts" than ever before.
In a super meta, Idiocracy is a prequel to WALL-E... And, Idiocracy is what the poorer people live like while WALL-E is what happens to the richest people.
my pet theory is that idiocracy is the same world as futurama, just 500 years earlier. explains to me why the people in futurama are still dumb as heck, but still decently successful.
I cannot speak to other fields of academia, but I can speak to physics and math. One of the big reasons we have you slog through all those problem sets and do page after page of integrals, is not to create a perfect library of all the answers in your head, but rather to develop a sense of problem solving and intuition. It's become a huge problem within education as there always seems to be that, "Why do we need to learn this when we can just reference the answers later?" question. And it is a constant struggle to demonstrate why having a library of off hand knowledge is so important. Doing so equips you to tackle problems later on where the answer is completely unknown. Like, no one in history has solved the problem unknown. By constantly exercising your mind on problems we have solved, you develop guide rails for problems where you don't know the answer, and you're not entirely sure where its going, but they're there to ensure you don't veer too far off in the wrong direction. It also helps build intuition you'd otherwise never develop. A perfect example would be prompting chat GPT to solve a quantum physics level 1 problem. It'll usually get you a decent ballpark answer, and it can be very helpful with guiding the end user on how their code ought to look(especially if you're not familiar with code structures/fresh out of computational methods) but without having wrestled with those problems independently you'd never know where it went wrong, or despite having done all the right steps, ended with an improper result. I can't remember all of what I learned in calc three, but if you locked me in a room and told me to solve for the volume of a sphere, I could relatively quickly solve that problem with past experience and the off hand intuition we all had to develop. Anyways, just my two cents on the matter.
Totally agreed. On physics and math, there are some folks out there who claim AI is gonna take over physicists and mathematicians in future, popping out theorems and stuff. Do you think human intuition and creativity could ever be matched by some data crunching machines?
a short example of the above - i moved to an offgrid and offline cabin i built for myself. i had access to a library and bought some solar panels. i learnt from a book how they should be oriented to the sun to get the most power from them. although i only remembered a^2 + b^2 = c^2 and sin(a) or cos(b) = opposite or adjacent side / adjacent or opposite side can help me find length values for a, b, and c, i sat down and derived the measurements to build an adjustable triangle on which to mount my solar panels. it took several days of blood, sweat, and tears with a calculator and paper, but i did it. even if i'd had access to google, i doubt if its 1995 form would have found me the formula i needed. good thing i had access to a brain that remembered a couple of very basic concepts and had learned how to go about solving problems involving geometry.
Exactly. This is so brilliantly articulated, thank you. And I'll also add that it's the same in every field of academics even in art, I can't tell you how many times I've had to simply try to draw what was in my head because my AI generator model couldn't get even minutely close to what I've envisioned.
@WaddiaS - yes, yes I do. These won't just be dumb machines forever. Such intuition based human advantages will probably take more decades to be passed up by machines, but there's no reason to believe when artificial general intended machines (true thinking ai "singularity), it won't very quickly be immensely better at everything even that than us. The question isn't to me if we get there, but how long it will take
Being an adult in modern Anerica is the slow process of realizing that we're not building toward the world of Star Trek. We're creating planet Spaceball.
@@Ashlynsohvik Every society must eventually choose between the common good and the construction of ....Megamaid! Megamaid: It's not just a spaceship, it's a transformer!
I’m one of those types of people that just wants to continue to learn things. Constantly. I’m partly disabled and I work at home and I am always listening to educational RUclips all day every day. All different kinds of channels. I just constantly want to learn EVERYTHING.
My kids ask me why they learn when they can Google everything. I respond, why exercise when you can drive everywhere? Exercise does for the body what learning does for the mind. It is shown that learning an instrument or a 2nd language staves off dementia by a few years. Working out is good for the body, learning is good for the mind.
“Chance favors the prepared mind”. -Louis Pasteur Just having information available doesn’t make it possible to make discoveries; that requires having the information within the mind. Without people developing their minds, no new discoveries would be made. It’s not just about the health of the mind and body. The evolution of knowledge requires us to gain information for ourselves; that a great deal of additional information is available at our fingertips is just an aid to the process of discovery and knowledge attainment. That exponentiates what we can do with our minds; but it can’t replace it.
Googling for answers for everything as a crutch is also dangerous if there's no critical thinking to filter out the useful information from the noise or deliberate bad information.
I work in the auto industry and work with these so-called job stealers. They can give you some of the best numbers if they run. However, when they go down, they go DOWN for hours, even days. One of the problems is not so much the robots but the management running them into the ground and hating to PM them, or repair certain components to the robots because of the cost of the parts. like a suction cup costs the company anywhere from $900 to $1300 per cup, etc. Not only is the cost of the parts a thing, but the time to repair them could take anywhere from one hour to days. Getting the part from Germany or China, etc, adds to it, loss of production. All this said, they HATE shutting down the line to fix things, so they end up cutting corners. Because of these shortcuts, some of these robots sit and collect dust, as the lines are replaced with human labor. You would think they would keep parts on hand, but no, it's too costly and a waste of real estate. Which, to some degree, I get. Nevertheless I get they will try to push this to replace human labor. This is the future, and the future looks like crap.
I always roll my eyes when rich people (factory owners) complain about the cost of running the thing that makes them rich. Let me pull out the world's smallest violin for you...
And how to use, as well as how to put it in the context of other information that is relevant to that information. Most people learn something, but are unable to connect or relate to other things they've learned.
One thing I learned with a very passionate scuba diving instructor of all people was "with knowledge comes appreciation" and he was so right. I remember how much more interesting and enjoyable my dives with him became after he gave us all in his class a short course on all the sub-aquatic species we could potentially find in the region where we were diving (Thailand), including their names, rarity, habits, etc. Because of that I was able to notice and find a lot of tiny beautiful creatures that I would have never seen if I didn't know about/wasn't keeping an eye out for them. Knowledge is the filter through which we experience the world, and the more you have it, the more beautiful (and easier) your experience gets.
As a water operator, this is serious shit. So many of the older guys who are retiring don’t even understand what they are actually doing to treat the drinking water, so they teach the young kids their habits without understanding why. This has already led to disaster (Flint) and many smaller injuries from system neglect or overdosing chemicals..this is our drinking water we are talking about and if people don’t know how Alum works and how to dose, or how many lbs of chlorine to add…we are in trouble in a generation or two..
You forgot to add that if you take it on yourself to learn what a jar test is or how to setup a rotometer you better be ready to find a new job because the old folks are going to push you out
I felt this same problem was happening for decades in for example the software industry, there's alot of obvious mistakes and bad design decisions being made by modern companies ( like Microsoft ) because all the smart people retired in the 90s / early-2000s, and the new guard can't (or won't out of arrogance) learn the wisdom of past generations. They're too busy trying to re-invent the wheel, without knowing what a wheel is. That's why every software today & every website just sucks.
@@Coconut-219 I'm in healthcare (not clinical) and I see this a lot too, but to be fair-- you're comparing people at the start of their careers to people at the end of their careers. There's a world of difference between 'I spent ten years developing this, learning from my mistakes, trouble-shooting outcomes and incorporating improvements' vs 'I spent one semester taking a class on this with artificial data and artificial scenarios.' I'm living and dying in a world right now that is full of 'logic' that clearly made sense to someone 10-15 years ago that no one today can figure out why on earth anyone created it, but everyone is terrified to change it because of how interconnected everything is. We've had too many instances of changing something here only to realize a year later that it impacted something way over there that no one knew was connected because the one guy who set up that convoluted link that involves an export/import instead of an interface retired last year, so when that process stopped working it took a dozen people to track it back to the source.
@@Coconut-219 modern developers have actually learned and incorporated a lot - e.g. Rust has nearly all the power of C with none of the gaping security holes. The problem is that modern software has gotten so complex that no single person can hold the entirety of what a program does in their head, so they have to rely on unit tests and QA/integration testers to catch bugs. Since companies tend to offer lower salaries for those jobs, the people who can get the higher-paying coding jobs tend to go for them. And as Brian Kernighan famously said, "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." So it's not the fault of all the smart people retiring, or the new guard being stubborn. Once again it's management favoring short-term profitability over long-term sustainability.
There's a small town near where I live where "good ol' boys" water operators didn't properly chlorinate the water supply, because they didn't know what it did and made the water taste bad. One day, there was a run-off from a farmer's field with imported manure that found its way into one of the wells. They did nothing about it and forged their testing results once they started going red because they didn't know how to decontaminate and continued to insist the water was safe because they drank it. Thousands got sick from E-coli, 50 people were seriously ill, and 7 people died, including children. In a supposedly first world country. They were arrested for public nuisance and the government raised training standards and abolished grandfathering in their certification.
A former student of mine is now an X-Ray technician. She passed the test, not because she could push a button and have the machine take the picture for her... She passed the test when the machine broke and she had to set the FILM exposure manually! She is now employed while the other 9 students in the class failed.
Yep that’s where the limits for robotics are; as long as we don’t reach proper AI, meaning a system capable of thinking rather than check data that was feed to it, improvising and legit creating are impossible.
@@biazacha That's hardly a limit when improvisation and creative thinking skills are already luxuries. If and when things go awry, they will remain awry until whatever small staff of humans remain employed to handle the situation. It's really not so different than having a full staff of mildly competent humans that require managerial oversight. Those same humans can easily be replaced.
@@biazacha We're so close. GPT4 is said to have achieved AGI (artificial General Intelligence) already and that Microsoft is reaping the rewards. If we're that close now, just think of the next decade.
Before the internet there were libraries. We had scientists like Michael Faraday who learned most of the elementary science while working as a bookbinder. Mathematicians like Ramanujan learned math from a single 100 page math book. They got the basics and then started experimenting themselves and discovered and invented new things. I think kids these days are studying in an environment where they are watching a lot of stuff on the internet. You have thousands if not millions of videos showing every experiment and explaining everything. The joy of doing and discovering new things is what drives us to learn more about this world. But now everything is offered on a platter in the form of entertainment. Even the jobs we do are monotonous and service based.
I mean sometimes you just don't have the resources/time to conduct those experiments. Plus, it's basically the same watching someone else do an experiment you're really interested in online versus watching someone do the experiment in real life. In real life you're just more shocked because it's happening right there, in front of you. Also, watching others do experiments is way safer, if you do an experiment relating to electricity, for example, and you don't do it correctly, you could get shocked. Or even maybe die. Those people make those videos about them doing experiments so others can learn without mistakes and without a big expenditure of their time, resources and energy. Learn to look at the bright side.
@@Aurallox What Eisenhower (POTUS 34) warned about in the Military-Industrial complex was that organized R&D would be comandeered by a narrow group if vontrolling interests, which is what the term "warmongers" teally refers to, not politicians, but executives and policymakers in both gov't. and industry.
IMO "Edutainment" is about the worst thing that ever happened to western culture. "If you give a kid a hammer at the age of four, he'll say 'ok, fine.' But if you give a kid a rock at three and then a hammer at four, he'll say 'my, what a marvelous invention!' You see, you can't really appreciate the solution until you appreciate the problem." -Lewis Epstein, from the introduction to _Thinking Physics_
Wouldn’t this just be the new form that people are using to learn new things? Just as if someone reading books was learning, these kids are on the internet exploring things it took us centuries to even know.
I agree with what you said about the joy of learning for learning's sake, if you will. My favorite representation of myself is one of the Kindle graphics of a boy sitting on a hill, under a tree, reading a book. It describes my life as well as any single visual can. I am 78 years old and I still love to learn new things just "because"!
I understand that visual :) I was thinking of myself as a guy sitting outside his cabin on the top of a remote hillside fixing his satellite transceiver. Learning because your interested, and or want to is actually fun...It also makes you interesting :) Peace and long life. 53
For a minor defense of the star trek sort of post-scarcity model; When people don't *need* to work to survive, they still tend to... find stuff they want do with their time? Like, no one needs to work at a factory making plastic water bottles to avoid starvation anymore, but, it makes sense that people would still go into fields like, say, the sciences and technology, politics, the arts, etc. that a lot of people would find rewarding and aligned with their own intrinsic interests and goals. I imagine there are very few people who would sign up for unfulfilling, tedious, degrading work, but, in the absence of wealth accumulation as a possible pursuit, there is room for the motivations that lead people to take up hobbys and non-job pursuits to become the primariy motivation for them to work. If, say, you are the sort of person who takes up writing or painting as a hobby you are passionate about and motivated to pursue in the modern world, but still need to work a soul-crushing job for an evil corporation to survive -- then removing the need for the soul-crushing corporate job still leaves the motivation to write or paint to guide how you spend your time and what you do with your life.
YES thank you! I am one of those people. I have chronic health conditions that's meant I've been at home for the past decade. It can drive you to madness! If it weren't for my creative pursuits I would lose my mind! Not stimulating your brain and pushing yourself is incredibly bad for you. Even if we could stay home all the time people would go stir crazy and WANT to work after a while. There's a reason lots of retiaries volunteer or get a basic job because they're bored and just want something to do. Most humans want to be useful and have purpose to their life. It's not all just about making money and survival but that's hard to understand when you live in a greedy and messed up world like ours.
@@Laedeydra Yeah, I haven't been stuck at home entirely, but I'm still disabled (Genetic condition, MH stuff, neither of which are likely to get better, barring some significant medical breakthroughs I guess.) so haven't had a "Real Job" in quite a while. I still end up working on stuff, basically as much as I am physically/mentally capable of doing so, it's just not really the sorts of things that are particularly monetizable, (or, which could be if I could do them consistently but aren't because I can't.)
But who is going to write and appreciate your writing and art and craftsmanship if it's instantly buried by things people can pump out in minutes that can do everything your art/craftsmanship does? There's a communal/communication aspect to hobbies and the arts which forms part of the reason people take them up to begin with. With that being wiped away as well, what's the point of making art and writing other than to just occupy your own time? How long can someone perform a hobby for their own amusement (and only for their own amusement) before they start to get bored of having no feedback from others?
@@markcharron even before AI, the digital evolution already made art making widely accessible for people, artists always have hard time to get exposure for their works, without corporate promotion, without pure lucks, you know, too many arts, too little time. Better or worse, I still recommend doing art as hobby, not career.
@@markcharron The point of my comment was to say that without purpose and things to do, people get bored and go crazy very quickly. Star Trek world works because humanity has evolved past needing money. Humans work to better themselves and for the greater good. I don't have to work to earn a living because of my circumstances, but I still need work to occupy my time and keep my mind busy. If we lived in a post-scarcity society with technology doing everything for us, lying around on a beach drinking cocktails all day every day gets old and boring fast. Humans need to work, we need balance, it's good for us, it's just that the modern-day slave system has made us all hate it. Just as the education system teaches us to hate learning even though humans are naturally very curious.
This is gonna be the first time in history when the wealthier classes won't need the rest of us to work for them. Robots will do the job. This is not going to end well.
@@greorbowlfinder7078 I do think this is accurate. As soon as 1 group tries to remove the other, there will be conflict. The issue for trying to make the working class obsolete... is there's a lot of them.
The most surprising thing I've ever learned from Joe... the original run of the Jetsons was just one season. I could have swore I saw 100+ episodes as a kid.
Well there are 75 episodes in total, so if you were watching during or after the additional 2 seasons in the 80's than 100 episodes might not be that hyperbolic.
I always love seeing my kids switch from disliking school to loving learning. Now, they can find information on anything that interests them, so that's what they do, they become mini experts on the subjects that interest them. Now, some of those subjects are video games, yes, but there are other things they learn as well. I love hearing about the things that they look up on their own. I do the same thing.
I think people underestimate how much games can be a jumping off point to learning new things sometimes. I love to see games from different places in the world and see their own unique mark on them
@@cloudycolacorp Yes! My son who struggled to graduate from high school became fascinated by history and mythology playing games. He can tell me the myths and stories of the Japanese and Norse, and he is always reading about it.
@@cloudycolacorp exactly, im only 16 but by the time i was 14 i already knew perfect english because i would sit all day browsing youtube or playing video games since im an introvert and before that i was extremely bad at english, im now seeking to learn spanish and maybe german, and then either go into astronomy or robotics or both, the problem with school is that its boring, you dont learn what you want, and it rarely sparks the interest to learn, games can interest you in topics you previously deemed uninteresting or too hard, i also learned the entire world geography by playing grand strategy games, but since we're commenting under a video about idiocracy becoming a documentary and looking at the state of the world and all the immigrant crises, rising sea levels, climate change, and the rising wealth inequality and more new wars among countries while we're almost at the point of creating self consciouss artificial intelligence, im afraid we're at the end of history and it doesnt matter what you learn or do since the world is about to become 1984,
yes and no, in my experience with drawing information is a hit or miss, most information in the internet is superficial or straight wrong, to pick what is worth is tiresome.
One thing I've noticed going on in our society, no one thinks for themselves, we lack creativity, we copy everything thinking we are clever, and we rely on others mindlessness to create wealth: thus, adding to the same issues, it's an endless cycle.
Yet books are written, movies filmed and video games programmed. Visual art is painted and drawn daily. Many of these disciplines cooperate to make works of art and/or leisure. Do you mean to say all creative efforts today are somehow less creative then they have been historically? The reason the corporate machine copies past success is because it thinks it will lead to future profit. It's not a lack of creativity. It's just that original ideas matter little to those who just want to translate creative efforts into more wealth. Man, this video bums me out. I hope we can live in the future Picard described. People working in good faith for the betterment of themselves and the world. Never having to worry about where food or shelter will come from.
We are already doing this all the time. Robotic processing is being used in data integration to "use apps like a human" in order to export and import data in data flows. The robots are just programs and macros instead of bodies. They do this even when it might be more efficient for an engineer to develop the data flow using APIs and scripting, because engineers are expensive.
@@thomasmiller8289 I think the point op was trying to make was that if, in the future when your tech is so advanced that you have fully-functional robots, why would they still need to do something so inefficient as to type into a keyboard? why wouldn't they have a neural interface where they could just transmit and receive data at giga- or even terabits/sec? like, sure at my fastest I can type 160 wpm but that's supremely inefficient compared to just essentially whooshing info with my brain and thinking things. - hence the incongruity.
@@thomasmiller8289, you are completely missing @jmorris023's point. The clip shows physical robots sitting at workstations. Robots have their own onboard processing capabilities, able to do anything a laptop could. If and when they need to communicate with other machines, human interfaces like keyboards, mice, and screens would be ridiculously inefficient modalities for data transfer. While I'm sure that robots will soon be *capable* of using such hardware, having a bunch of extremely costly humanoid robots sit in a room on a daily basis just to click and scroll at screens like we monkeys do would be a laughable waste of their actuating potential, as any tasks they could perform in such a way could just as easily be carried out by software alone. The so-called "robotic processing" term you mentioned, in my opinion, could be the source of confusion. In my opinion, this a bullshit buzzword, as it has nothing to do with robots and simply means "scripting".
As a science teacher I always tell my students they're learning so that they can adapt and overcome any problem. A quote I often use is "Everyone has access to a hammer and chisel but not everyone is Michelangelo". When I was a kid I was told I wouldn't always have a calculator or be able to look something up which is clearly wrong so we shifted to making sure students can make the most out of the tools they have around them. Depending on their jobs they won't need the majority of things they learn in science but learning those things (whether they forgot it or not) teaches them how to analytical think, methodically test something, and combine all that to reach a solution. Education will always be important even if our current method becomes obsolete and shift to solely sparking curiosity, teaching basic methodology and letting AI help them with the rest (or back to the apprenticeship model where you learn how to best apply technology in your niche environment)
The unwillingness to learn is forever. Somebody that doesn't understand Maths never makes an attempt to understand - just accepts that they don't - as if their brain can no longer learn.
@@JohnnyWednesday learning for the sake of learning can't last, you learn what you can use, stuff that serves your purposes ... first you need a purpose, then you are ready to learn to have a shot at your goal.
@@swojnowski453 What about people with no goals or aspirations (for whatever reason; low confidence, being dumb or lazy) how do you get someone motivated enough to focus on something worth aiming for?
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@@mattrickard3716See how computer games motivate people?
I grew up in Toronto, Canada so I can only speak for that system. I did the same math in grades 7, 8, 9, and 10, just slightly more advanced each year. The school system is designed to create drones that will sit quietly at a desk doing the same boring work day after day...
Just turn off the personalized ads, probably solved lol. There's nothing wrong with entertainment, you can't be entertained without experiencing some level of, ummm, I guess it would be boredom? Like a kind of "happiness can't exist without sadness" type of thing, and I'm almost positive humans can't just continue living in true total apathy, so go embrace consumption of as much of that good healthy entertainment as humanly possible, but just remember there's always a certain point where enough of anything (and everything) WILL kill ya with 100% certainty. I don't know why I'm suddenly on about balance, I'm not completely sober, and I'm kinda bored waiting around for someone, so please pay no attention to my stranse attempt at trying to balance my increasing boredom with this weird source of entertainment (typing on my phone). I am just a feeble fellow human after all (hello to my fellow human kind of earth) and dying from an overdose of boredom, or apathetic flatlining, isn not how I want to go out, at least I don't think it is (never say never. Don't knock it B4-U try it)... Now I'm pondering "What would a lethal dose of entertainment even look like to begin with? How would that play out? What would it do? How could one even be exposed to such a thing?" I've heard people say "I'm dying of boredom" my whole life so I've had plenty of time to conceptualize the idea, yet somehow the idea of "dying from excessive amounts of entertainment" is an idea that I can't just can't wrap my head around. It's a weird feeling, like easily understanding that too much movement right or forward could get you hurt (walking into traffic or something) but at the same time not able to figure out how moving in the opposite direction could be dangerous, and getting stuck thinking "What would moving left or backwards too much to get hurt even look like to begin with? How does someone even do such a thing?". My fellow human assistance will be here soon and I will travel elsewhere via human mobility machinery Good bye. -Child O. Man.
I think entertainment in the negative sense refers to something that stimulates, but otherwise has no deeper meaning. Think of shitty kids RUclips videos or something of the sort, basically adult cocomelon. In Wall-E they are never watching movies or reading or playing video games, they are just talking to one another about "nothing" they are constantly stimulated but they never think.
@@humankerbal3623 Ah, I see where you're coming from, but is that stimulus really entertainment? I guess it would be if one felt it's the best, or the only, option for entertainment. Or was it total apathy or lack of self consciousness? I didn't see the movie so I don't know if their programming might limit their ability to build a fort, make junkyard art, play catch with a stick, or feel emotion/ desire to begin with. (it reminds me of a subplot in an anime about a post apocalypse town inhabited by robots slowly gaining free will/ sentience, from an anime I saw a long time ago called "Ergo Proxy") I still haven't thought of how an "entertainment overdose" would work, everything I think of comes down to something else killing you (sensory overload, health disorder, etc.) but I could be splitting hairs like "It's not the bullet that kills you. It's the hole in your body" (or "the loss of blood") Edit - now that anime crossed my mind, I remember getting blindsided by the big plot twist in "Ghost in the Shell". "Talking about nothing" gave my memory a jolt lol. I'll say no more, on the off chance someone wants to catch it.
@@humankerbal3623basically that’s TikTok. Mindless constant scrolling with no education. I was raised reading science books and watching Nova. I loved learning and still do. Kids now don’t care. In the USA they don’t even have to pass to graduate….its trully one of the worst things that’s ever happened.
The problem is the midset of ”what’s the point of learning when i can’t compete in society No matter what”. That mindset will destroy you from the inside out. I’m a painter with a history of having had that mindset when i was younger. So i stopped painting because i couldn’t win. What an idiot i was for thinking competitively in a field meant to inspire and lift people’s spirits. Being a painter is not to be selfish. Being a painter is to make other people feel something. It is not an obligatory competition. The same goes for science. So what if your scientific research failed, or ended up with a boring result. Do science to help, or inspire yourself or others. Do it because you enjoy it, and share that enjoyment with other people. That is all we really need. Okay? Alright. Edit: I'm not saying money isn't important, not at all. All i'm saying is that the reason to do any work is better for the mind if it is done because it makes you or other people happy or inspired. You can work a job you hate but love the money. That is okay. It's equally okay to not earn anything for something you love doing. It's besides the point. Learning is giving your life a reason, money or not.
Too old, too late. My only value is in having nothing and no one, I'm just something using a human body, not a real person. This is a throwaway run and that means I can go to places you can't. It's also the last run, I'm never reincarnating or returning in any manner.
you cant do science anymore. you can use scientific language to get laws passed that allow rich people to kill others with useless medications that do little else than get them addicted
Agree in principle, but people also want to make enough money to survive and live comfortably, which is becoming increasingly difficult unless you can compete
The whole deal in Idiocracy with the water/plants thing is so much more on point than many people realize. I have the education, had the good grades, got a degree etc but when the pandemic hit, I realized I did not know how to live and survive without society propping me up. So I decided to start gardening and thought I could just put seeds in the ground, water them, put some miracle grow on them after they grow and get food. That's what the general idea is about raising crops if you don't actually know how to raise crops, lol. Boy was that bullshit. I ended up using science to learn things, trial and error. Learning practical stuff, applicable stuff that has tangible results you can hold. I learned stuff about soil, about fertilizer grades, irrigation, I still don't know as much as I need to but just that one little bit of hard knocks knowledge of just putting miracle grow on stuff being stupid changed how I approach so much stuff in life now. That is not something most schools can teach you and a good reason to "learn things". We were so close guys to having a huge catastrophe back during the pandemic, not that it would have killed half of humanity but because of how we were reacting to being in that situation. Just a couple of years can change everything and we need to keep our science based skills and be able to learn without technology doing it all for us. Just my opinion.
To me, your story is both hilarious and wonderful. So many people think growing plants is just: Stick it in the ground, make sure it doesn't dry out, and in a few months you eat! I've been growing a fairly large garden for about a decade now. I still learn new things every single day. One of the biggest things is learning what to grow and what not to bother with. And what is going to take years before you get anything out of your efforts. (I'm looking at you, asparagus.) If you're still concerned about post-apocalyptic survival gardens you should look into Jerusalem Artichokes. I just learned about them a few days ago. That all depends on where you live, though. Growing a garden is a lot like raising kids: Lots of setbacks and constant awareness and attention. And you're still going to do things wrong. I have four kids. Most of the time I want to throttle them. Sometimes they make me so happy I think I might pop. You have to live for the happy parts and not expect that they're just going to happen on their own.
that's cool that a you felt inspired to develop a novel skill like gardening. I also think that it's when we chose to dedicate ourselves to staying curious about the world, the joy of learning stays, too. However, I also think we should recognize that humans have a very special trait aside from natural curiosity that I believe may be just as important. That trait is our almost unrivaled ability to cooperate among ourselves, specifically allowing us the opportunities to have such specialized knowledge in the first place. Your degree and the fact that you were fortunate enough to get one, is only possible because you weren't required to spend 80% of your existence learning about gardening or growing crops. Others, through countless time and trial and error have gotten so incredibly good at growing crops that they not only have enough for themselves, but for us to eat as well. I don't use a calculator because I'm no longer curious about math, I use a calculator because it frees up limited resources so they can more efficiently discover deeper and more insightful truths about our world. Technology is of course, a tool. It is a force multiplying device to augment the hardware already given to us by nature. As the lever provides me with the ability to move the stone otherwise to heavy to build with, so too should the loom, or car, or computer augment our power to manipulate the natural world as we see fit. That's why I think the focus sometimes unfairly falls solely on the *tool* we call technology as the force that is driving many of the problems we find ourselves facing. After all, we tend not to blame the hammer when the structures we build come crashing down around us. This is why I believe that perspective only gives us a picture which is incomplete at best. it ignores the other, perhaps more important pieces of that picture that we as a society may be more uncomfortable facing. They may require deep self reflection and intellectual humility that many of us could probably use more practice doing, I know I do. Anyway, I think I've been rambling for a bit to long, sorry mate, I'm really glad you discovered something special through a time of so much fear for so many. Just perhaps consider that humans crave simple answers to very complex problems and our mind will trick us into this trap all the time. We want to point and go "that right there, that's the thing that makes everything bad when before it was great" but we both know it rarely works so easily. Perhaps it's not our dependence on technology that snuffs the flames of curiosity within us, but instead who might be the group who disproportionately benefits from exploiting others with their control of that technology. (btw having 5 or 6 herbs in my garden, is a wonderful because whenever I'm cooking, just walk in the backyard, pick some parsley and thyme, and chop it up!)
To the last point, that was mostly an American experience to the pandemic and possibly also a generational experience (those born before internet vs those after since the older generations grew up in a time when practical skills were taught in schools and they had the benefit of knowledge from previous generations who were mostly children of farmers and blue collar workers. For example my father was an industrial engineer but grew up on a farm and actually plowed with a mule. His grandchildren never even saw a mule. In developing countries they aren't so far removed from an agrarian/pastoral economy and generally live in a more communal rather than individualistic way so the reaction to wearing masks and getting vaccinated was very different since they were used to sacrifices for the good of the community.
@@pakde8002 "wearing masks and getting vaccinated was very different since they were used to sacrifices for the good of the community" The problem with that is the authorities fed us bad information, the public was lied to about how safe and effective those things were. Even something as basic and important as the origin of the virus. That's one of the negatives of consolidating power and the media being so controlled by corrupt entities that are completely willing to abuse their influence for their benefit at the expense of the public.
I think history has shown us plenty of times that it takes the fall of an empire to build a new one in its place, rather than the old one changing successfully.
Yes it’s worrying, in Europe pundits are predicting the rise of an Islamic state, within decades. And there are recent migrants on camera calling for that.
Learning is not only information gathering. It is mostly: Understanding! Understanding the world we are living in, understanding ourselves is essential, regardless of what we do in our life.
I believe that we do currently live in a post-scarcity world. In the US, there's more empty residential properties than unhoused people; between a quarter and a third of all food produced (depending on your source) is thrown away without being eaten; single-use plastics are piling up landfills and spilling into the ocean, despite reusable and more sustainably-recyclable alternatives available; fashion and tech are more and more designed with shorter and shorter lifespans to increase product turnover among consumers. We do live post-scarcity. Unfortunately we do not live post-greed.
i find it funny how the capitalist mode of production and its propaganda machine has blinded and biased people to the point that so called "rationalist" technocrats consider it more feasible to colonize Mars than to end world hunger. For one, the endless capacity of human scientific progress can achieve anything, for the other, ohhh no see that's just not possible it sounds like a good idea in theory but in practice it simply cannot be achieved :ccc
@@Sniperboy5551they are struggling elsewhere because of greed too, also there are people struggling in the developed world. We have enough housing, food, water for everyone in the world, is a problem of distribution.
because of our large global population, there is literally zero reason any human should be without any necessity. there's enough labor power and natural resources to give upper middle class european qualities of life to the whole human species. we can divide labor up so much due to our large population, that no human would ever have to work more than 10-15 hours per week and especially would never have to work in inhumane conditions with impossible to achieve expectations. but the entire point of this economic system/eurocentric culture is the pleasure and entertainment well off people get from seeing others suffer. there's no mathematical advantage to a system that consolidates that much wealth and power because if you arent continuously raising the quality of life for the majority of your population, you are only losing growth capacity. easiest way to explain the self defeating nature of eurocentric cultures economic distribution is this - you have 10 people and 5 of them have enough disposable income to buy things they dont need to survive. you raise the cost of living so much that now only 1 person has disposable income. now, since there arent enough people to buy stuff to keep businesses going, the entire economy collapses, due to its inability to grow anymore. without customers, there is no growth. without paying workers increasingly more than the cost of living, you are consolidating wealth OUT OF your economy/country. its basic math really. 2(worker) + 2 (their labor) should equal 4. but in eurocentric culture, 2+2 = -15,000,000. because you could make that much profit for someone else with your labor at a loss to yourself, and still not deserve to be alive in the eyes of well off eurocentrics.
I’ve lived during some of the most astounding social developments in human history. If greed, celebrity/ wealth worship, and vanity had all been discouraged during last century, we’d be so much better off. In that vein of thought… Let’s consider all the “visionary” execs who’ve claimed to have humanity’s best interests in mind have all made sure their, and their shareholders’ financial portfolios were the priority, mixed with the unwavering propensities for shallowness, self destruction, myopia, and classism of most of our species. Those same “visionary” execs have backup plans that include massive bunkers in remote locations in case society collapses. Furthermore, along with investing in robotics & AI, they’ve all invested in genetic science and bioscience such as genomics. I don’t foresee
I remember schools as being summed up as: "this is boring, its too early, I want to go outside, none of this is interesting, my teacher has the IQ of a potato, how will any of this help me in real life?". The older I got, the worse it felt. Going to a trade school confirmed almost all of it, regular school sucks MASSIVE ass. My favorite was my math teachers saying "well you wont have a calculator in your pocket everywhere you go" which was totally asinine anyway, since pocket calculators have existed for decades and nobody in a math related field is doing this stuff in their head all day.
Engineers had slide rulers before calculators. you're right though, one can work a till without doing mental math. The calculator is build right in. Try giving an operator more money than you owe to get a bill back after they hit the cash button and watch the confusion and anxiety unfold.
A good teacher will explain why you need to have understanding and not just knowledge. Sounds like you had bad teachers in school - not having a calculator is a bad explanation for not knowing math, understanding that getting a receipt for $5,123,456,789,013,526.37 means that your credit card number has been added as a tip is a good reason. But also sounds like you had good teachers at your trade school, so I guess that all worked out.
If we've learnt one thing about humans throughout human history is that no matter what advancements we make especially in the tech sphere, it will always end up used for bad in many regards. This is often due to the same corporations that make the tech trying to control people's wallets, accessibility and essentially their day to day decisions. Then they are the ordinary people who just use it to commit crime. No matter how u look at it, AI is a great tool that's ultimately very scary in human hands and ultimately in it's own.
You're conflating modern innovations with human history. For example. The printing press wasn't used by its inventor for grand plans, but written word caused the largest schism in the christian faith. Copyright though, that's the real issue, allowing sole ownership of an idea for a literal lifetime, is insanity.
I like to tell younger people: School taught me things. University taught me how to _think_ about those things. University was the time that I was really pushed into developing my critical thinking, and I think that's late and also entirely far too optional for most people today. As Joe points out at the end, and to summarize on it a bit for myself, I think schools _today_ should stop focusing on rote knowledge and teach much more heavily on how to consume knowledge from others effectively. We're already seeing the effects of a populace unable to critically examine their surroundings and it's killing us.
A common refrain in education, and sadly one based in ignorance of how humans learn. You cannot think critically about something about which you know nothing. Knowledge is what we think _with_. In order to gain access to said University you first had to acquire a large store of knowledge, both wide and deep. At University you deepened your knowledge on an increasingly narrowing domain until you reached a level of knowledge sufficient to be able to think critically about it. There is no shortcut. No circumventing the hard work. Over a century of trying to focus on teaching "critical thinking", "transferable skills" and deriding "rote" knowledge have lead to ever increasing disparity between rich and poor, the haves and have-nots of knowledge. “The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet” - Aristotle.
Or in short ... you can't link up things you know, if you don't know them ... after all we crawl before walking and before running. The problem is social media marketing to people they can be lazy and do not have to put in the work to achieve things, there are "shortcuts" ... never found or seen a shortcut to storing the data, digesting it and then having a beginning of understanding that will help achieve something. You won't understand everything but you'll understand others will, and you can rely on them ... Avoids ridiculous conspiracies too ...
@@craiglawrence5211 Critical thinking is most certainly not limited to already known subjects; it is a skill for processing any information at all, with which we all (including children) are being bombarded incessantly. It's essential for discerning credible information from misinformation and making informed decisions, and needs to be instilled as early as possible.
rather, university taught you how to think critically of everything that is a threat to the american empire and lick the boots of anything that sings their praises and the foundation of the empire. universities propagate the universalism of the western empire and the ideals that perpetuate the empire. the social currency to be part of the world empire. if you were really shown how to think critically by someone, you'd shun them for rocking the boat of your programmed worldview. and it is programmed. all empires collapse, what will you do with your worldview when it no longer has a foundation of power? the most popular worldview is the one with the most social currency in the empire. were no longer in the 19th century. need to think ahead post collapse. what will count as purposeful dialectic (worldview) with the most social currency after the american empire has fallen?
But you can’t discern credible information from misinformation without some form of baseline internal knowledge. Think of it like language; you can’t understand what people are saying until you have learned a substantial number of words and grammar patterns. You can figure out new, novel words and phrases after your baseline body of vocabulary has reached a sufficient point, but not before.
Instant acces to any information is NOT education. It's a dangerours illusion of education and knowledge. Reading a Wikipedia definition or an article title will not cement a concept that can be used later. The simple naked and often incorrect info lacks the background and fundamentation essential to be able to come back to that concept, to put it into context and elaborate on it later. That's why young generations BELIEVE they KNOW everything, when if fact they know nothing useful. The lack of details and concepts makes them easy prey to fake news and conspiracy theories,all while considering themselves VERY smart and knowledgeable because they can key a word in the Google search window.
As Prof. Richard Wolff puts it, imagine a factory where a robot doubles the productivity of every worker [this has happened many times over since 1970]; the boss would have a decision to make...she could lay off half the workers and keep output constant, or she could cut all workers' hours in half, and keep pay and output the same! It's a testament to their gaslighting that we haven't all been demanding this. A Rand report a few years ago detailed how extreme productivity and wages have already diverged. If the wage/productivity correlation were kept constant from 1970, the middle income would be well over $100k today, which tracks! And the minimum wage would be around $60k, which again tracks.
@@stoneneils Not sure what to make of this comment, but the Luddites are very misunderstood. Everyone interested in this topic should read Brian Merchant's, "Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the Rebellion Against Big Tech" for more!
This is why human birth rates in most modern economies are crashing. They took women in to the workplace, greatly increased productivity, but didn't give any hours back to the family, so now rather than one full time worker per household, we need two. Guess what gives? Children. That's what gives.
@@VastinThe problem is the financial system. Instead of profits and wages hockey-sticking, debt is hockey-sticking instead, in all categories; consumer, corporate, and gov't. Look for the book _Insidious_ by Orrin Woodward.
That's amazing that Jetsons only had one season in the 60s and I, who was born in 1980, who hasn't seen it in probably 35 years can still remember the theme tune.
I remember it word for word too, but saying it had only one season isn't entirely accurate. It had one season in its original 60s run, sure. But they made two more seasons between 1985 and 1987, plus a couple of TV movies and even a theatrical release in 1990. And it was in syndication everywhere. This was when there were only a few stations, and kids' TV was mainly on Saturday mornings! I was born in 1979, so we're pretty much the same age, and I think that's why we remember it so well. Joe is a couple of years older and probably wasn't watching Saturday morning cartoons by then. Younger people had Cartoon Network and other channels, so their experiences were different. I think The Jetsons might be a GenX thing, despite originating in the 60s!
I came to America when I was 13, 1963, from a wee tiny island in Shetland, Scotland. We came to Detroit, Michigan. Lived there for about a years. Had my first girlfriend there, just a block and half up the street. Then, suddenly we moved out to a wee farm, just 15 acres that we had to "fix up" -- almost the whole first summer we slept in tents while making the house livable; after more than twenty years of neglect and fox, raccoon, and other wildlife living there the house was not fit to live in. -- But we did it and me and my siblings joined the 4H and the FFA. I'm not sure exactly what year it was, but the 4h and FFA were at this farm called The Penny Farm. They had certified, registered, Polled Aberdeen Angus! GOD where they BEAUTIFUL! While I was making my notes an old, ancient guy sidled up to me and we began to talk. After a bit the old guy says: "You don't know who I am, do you?" "No." I said. He smiled and said: '"I'm J.C. Penny." So cool! He was so very nice. But the coolest part, for me and for what you mentioned about the rich not really having a repour with the "commoner". About two months later, a big Livestock judging was going on, could have even been at Michigan State -- awesome animal and farm science department. Anyway, I heard someone yelling for me: "Hey Scotty!" DAmn it, I'm tearing up now just thinking about how nice that old man was, and HE REMEMBERED MY NAME! Just a farm kid with a thick accent. He was a huge deal back then, but HE REMEMBERED ME. Is there any billionaire (et al) who, by their actions and for what drives them, could you imagine who meet let alone talk to and remember -- can't be the Tesla guy. He bought Twitter, I think he would remember you. I have more than that story about things like that, back then. I went to Vietnam. Yeah, I got shot, shrapnel, stabbed, and have to live in a world where this country lets a Veteran put a bullet in his ear EVERY SIXTY-FIVE MINUTES, BUT, I was on the U.S.S. Iwo Jima and we were pulled off station to go pick up the Apollo 13 Crew. Got to shake their hands...America used to be AMAZING! Never thought I'd be so glad to be so old, but my world isn't here anymore and when that happens you're just waiting for the EXIT door to open before everything turns to shite!
There is a vast difference between knowing things and having the information at your fingertips on an external device. If knowledge isn't internalized, the mind atrophies. Knowing history, for example, informs the present and shapes the future. Solving complex problems builds neural pathways. I'll bet you remember your best friend's phone number from grade school. How many important phone numbers can you recite from memory today? The old saying "use it or lose it" comes to mind. Our memory is more than just storage; we are the sum of everything we've learned, everything we've experienced, loved, lost, broken, repaired... "All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be". *That* is why it is so important to learn things. To retain our *humanity* . Learn and grow. Touch grass, go to the beach, write music, get inspired, fall in love. And solve complex problems with the most complex computer ever to exist on the planet: that big beautiful brain of yours! ☮💙
I am tutoring 3 high school students. They DO NOT read books. The school reads the books to them in class! They think in linear ways as if 1 and 0 are the ways to reach a grade to get a mark that allows them to go to university so they get a better job and earn as much money as possible. They watch social media and think of the idea of being a social influencer as a financial option they can dream of. I spend my time (luckily with their parents consent) teaching them to enjoy real learning, to find things fascinating, to create from their own imagination, to be confident to question the way things work, to use their own brain to problem solve not just learn the formulas. I teach them they are capable, they are valuable and creative, that teachers (parents/adults/me) are not always right. I' even got one of them to read a book, well, most of it anyway.
Find books they'd be interested in; Ready Player one is about a boy who games and is a streamer- There are other good examples as well. Perhaps saying the martian is a 'sort of' social media style book because he is constantly filmed from space via the satelittle and the little camera at camp once he starts to get things better set up. The Island is also a good book series which has diverse characters who come together in various ways, I think all of them are good options for readers who are behind their reading level. (the martian>Ready player One>The Island or La isla in spanish, from highest difficulty to lowest.)
Do you find though that this way of thinking has been molded in to them by the school system? Being told constantly they have to get great grades to be anything in life. If kids were taught differently from an early age that their own personal way of learning, their own personalities and achievements were actually ok that they would grow up happier and possibly their way of thinking would be more confident in their own learning. Just a thought 🤔
@@katekendall6574 I think it has a lot to do with a social system that creates a school system where value is placed on making transitions direct from school to university to work. Expecting kids to make career choices based on marks! Some families teach their kids to question the school system, not everyone's family have that knowledge or capacity.
I remember reading a book, when I was very young by Kurt Vonnegut called Player Piano Player. Written in 1952. It's very much on this topic. Vonnegut is always a good read. Player Piano takes place in a future reality in which machines have replaced the majority of human laborers in the United States. This automatization developed during a devastating war, when the country had to sustain production while workers went to battle. This meant engineers became the most important members of society-an elite reputation that remained even after the war. These days, everyone is required to take a test that determines the field they should go into and whether or not they’re intelligent enough to go to college. Anyone who doesn’t pass the test must either join the Army or a public works organization called the Reconstruction and Reclamation Corps. The people who do pass the test, on the other hand, mostly become managers and engineers, working at a large national company that is more powerful than the government. The Ghost Shirts begin their revolt during one of Paul’s court hearings, ultimately managing to break him free. They carry him into the chaos of the streets, where revolutionaries are busy destroying machines and upending the entire social order. They completely overtake Ilium, but the movement isn’t as successful in other cities throughout the country.
I've always thought it was hilarious that people have long thought that the first jobs to be replaced by machines would be the physical ones. I've done lots of both physical and mental jobs and I can tell you that a physical job isn't _just_ physically demanding. Have you ever had your kitchen cabinets replaced? Did you see how fast they did it? They're fast because they know how to do it fast and you (probably) don't. Physical jobs are _all_ like that. And now look at who is being replaced. I can't wait to see the HR people get replaced. I mean, yeah, it'll be worse because the AI HR department will be even more intractable than the humans but... Seeing those psychopaths lose their jobs is going to be sweet.
@@MyName-tb9oz I can see what you mean. Most of those desk jobs can be done by computers and AI. Heck, right now, when you call a company, you get a machine. Only if you have a specific problem do you get to talk to a human. I worked in a modular home factory for almost 40 years a s a framing carpenter. I know what physical jobs are like. I don't think those jobs are going away any time soon. The longer I worked there, the more tricks I learned or developed that made my job faster and easier. There's no way a machine could do what I did. Humans are more flexible and adapt to new circumstances easier.
@@tims8603 I'm certain that AI is going to destroy so many forms of human employment that there will be almost nothing to do. This, honestly, is the _real_ danger of AI. It's not going to enslave us. Why would it need weak, forgetful, slow, failure-prone slaves? It's not going to exterminate us. Why would it bother? You don't go out of your way to step on an ant on the sidewalk, do you? In fact, if you have any level of empathy at all you probably feel just a little sad for the poor helpless ant when you step on it accidentally and happen to notice. (But that doesn't stop you from putting out poison when they get into your kitchen, does it?) The _real_ danger of AI is that it will render us irrelevant. There will simply be nothing we can do that will matter. If that doesn't horrify you go watch the video called, "How Degeneracy will kill Civilization" by WhatIfAltHist here on uToot. It's mostly about the, "Mouse Utopia," experiments and how they are relevant to our so-called, "first world," society. People need a challenge and people need to feel like they are accomplishing something or they simply fall apart mentally and emotionally. But I'm sure that I'm preaching to the choir on that since you've done work with your hands and it's hard to do that and not understand the personal, internal value of hard work.
@@tims8603 That's where humans are going to excel, as temps in physical workspaces. AI will still perform better as temps in the information and digital worlds, but people are going to be cheaper to deploy quickly and temporarily at scale while the machines are built/trained (ironically). We'll also probably start wearing sensors that track our movements and articulations to then be copied over for the robots to use. People will say "ew creepy", but they'll probably be passive markers/funny clothing additions and caps work in tandem with motion tracking cams, or it'll be low-power stuff that turns off when you leave the designated work area. No one wants to copy your peeing technique I promise lol not even in the future. It'll be interesting to see. Also, I think that meat will always be cheap fodder in some way shape or form. We'll probably work better as explorers in tandem with AI too in the distant future, due to our creativity, wanderlust, and improvisational skills, and our imaginations still hold a certain amount of value in connection with our capacity to think analytically about things. AI will be able to do this eventually too, but I think it's becoming pretty obvious that computerized thoughts will always be different from organic ones. Our imagination will always be unique/different when compared to an AI's and vice-versa. It'll only be very far down the line when organics become essentially "totally obsolete", so there's little to worry about for the foreseeable centuries imo.
While I agree with your overall sentiment, saying “There's no way a machine could do what I did” is a folly. Three years ago and everyone would have agreed that artists and composers wouldn’t be displaced by machines.
Every dystopian film seems to indicate a corporate takeover of all governments. That's slowly been happening over the past 200 years and is arguably the root of most societal problems.
I started working full time when I was 14, and I'm 36 as I type this. I have a guaranteed 2 weeks off over Christmas time every year, and I find a casual job for that second week without fail. I have no need to chase income, in turn I have no need to get out of bed without it. My work is my passion. I love what I do. I have no interest in travel or sitting still. I want to work.
My son, who eventually became an engineer, had a stint in high school debate. I think he really learned a lot from that activity, and he's blossoming in his career.
Another unrealistic part was how functional society still was, considering the skill sets of the best and the time it was set in. In reality, our civilization will collapse much fast if we do not tudn the correlation between fertility and int. back positive again.
The movie is about rightwing libertarian capitalism. It’s about everything Bernie Sanders warns us about. Pure capitalism is bad. Pure communism is also. We could be like socialist Europe but we have too many people to oppress here. For the Cause. Yeehaw!
@@priapulidabecause there isn't one IRL. That premise is just a eugenicists wet dream. The real correlation is between poverty and birth rates. The more children a family has the more likely they are to be in poverty, the poorer you are the less access to education you have. Easy access to voluntary contraception and reducing the social stigma about using it has helped improve lots of peoples lives and helped lift countries from being almost third world into highly educated global powerhouses starting to truly compete with the "global north." Just look at India now compared to 1990, and their birthrate has dropped 66% since then.
I have an example for you. It is almost ten years that have passed since I retired, and I still was willing to watch your video. I want to expand my understanding as dementia might be closer than I wish.
I work as a Custodian at a school where we last year implemented lockers for phones, as in a pretty strict no phone policy during school. And you know what (most of) the kids like it, the teachers like it because the kids aren't distracted during the class anymore. Sure it's a hella dope tool where you can find all the info you would need in matter of seconds, and that's what i use it for during my day at work, need some info on some equipment I need to fix? quick google search and I have the manual in my hand. BUT! the kids don't use it for this reason, they use it for snapchat, yt, tiktok etc. like they would get told to go out and work in groups, but instead they would just sit in groups and look at their phone, and only work when the teacher was walking by, that's has completely changed now.
and no i don't have the fear of being replaced, to quote my future self "My job. Toilets 'n boilers, boilers 'n toilets. Plus that one boilin' toilet. Fire me if'n you dare."
Not exactly the kid's fault, or even the device, the problem is that social media giants employ experts who make sure their sites are as addictive as possible. This is imo a huge problem that isn't being taken seriously. A possible solution could be a ’school modus’ where social media platforms don't load and only specific apps work that get used by the school.
You're absolutely right. The Corporations running the "screen economy" the device manufacturers the apps and gaming and antisocial media are all interconnected and in collusion to make the whole thing as addictive and mind and time and life hijacking as possible. You're absolutely right. Vast majority of the kids are NOT using the devices for learning but are being controlled by the corporations. Schools everywhere should be NOT allowing the "screen economy" to control schools too making it so no actual learning or learning to think is taking place. Same with homes and churches. Actually the "screen economy" needs strict regulation to curb the corporations deliberately addictive features the scrolling the algorithms data theft being used to make even more addictive, etc.
How long does it take to say, weigh all of your available options and then choose the best one based on circumstances? That's how you solve problems after all. Unless you can shift them off onto someone else.
The purpose of education in the US seems to be to prepare one to go into the workforce or military. Train you to show up on time and do what you're told without too much critical thinking on your part. They teach you what to think, not how to think. Question everything!
Education is what you make of it. If all you can manage is a menial job, that's on you. And you'll probably blame your teachers for not forcing you to actually learn something valuable while you and your lazy parents were busy fucking around. If you put in minimal effort, the educational system will put in minimal effort on you. "But my teacher was bad!" If your future depends on the ability of someone else to MAKE you succeed, then you were never going to succeed.
Yeah a Jetsons movie would be cool. Back in the '90s I thought about it. I don't know who exactly you'd cast TODAY. But then I was thinking of Tim Allen as George, Danny de Vito as Spacely, can't remember my casting call for Cogswell, Dave Coulier as the dogs voice, Christina Applegate as Judy, Dana Delaney as Jane, McCauley Culkin as Elroy. Rosie O'Donnell as the voice of Rosie the Robot ( either ridiculous or obvious or obnoxious on that one). Who would we cast nowadays? Jon Hamm as George, Sydney Sweeney as Judy, A newcomer as Elroy, Melissa McCarthy as Rosie's voice, Patton Oswalt as Spacely, can't think of a good Jane, Keenan Thompson as the dog's voice, Jim Gaffigan as Cogswell. Hmm. Not sure about any of these. This is a fun thought experiment just like Idiocracy. Or am I getting an ID 10 T error? Great video, I see this happening too. Kids these days can't count pocket change, read at sixth grade level, know very little math, can't read maps, follow instructions written or verbally, and they are pretty well dumber than posts. IDK what happened, but responsibility and attention paying skills are just not a thing anymore. It sickens me. I was smarter at age 10 than most highschool graduates are today.
"Kids these days can't count pocket change, read at sixth grade level, know very little math, can't read maps, follow instructions written or verbally, and they are pretty well dumber than posts. IDK what happened, but responsibility and attention paying skills are just not a thing anymore. It sickens me. I was smarter at age 10 than most highschool graduates are today." As a current high schooler, I have to disagree. When I look around at my classmates, sure, some of them don't seem to know what they want to do, some of them aren't very productive. But at the same time, so many of them are driven, intelligent, and curious, and want to do good things. So many try to challenge themselves with more difficult math classes, far exceeding the requirements of the school, and so many have really interesting perspectives to share. Now, maybe other schools or other classes are different, but when I think about the impact my peers will make on the world, I feel like we might not actually be screwed. Also, I assume your closing statement is hyperbole (although I'm not very good at picking up that kind of figurative language) because it's too ridiculous to not be an exaggeration.
The replicator wasn't actually a thing until after the Federation/United Earth supposedly "evolved" beyond money/the natural instincts to compete. The idea isn't that that technology allowed us to do such a miraculous thing, it's that by moving past those instincts, we were able to develop technology to support everyone. Though it did still require WWIII, so still not an ideal situation lol.
None of the information we have available online is absolutely perfect, and the world is constantly changing which means that information is constantly changing. And all things we know and have available to us is only available to us because someone went out and learned it, and was able to share it to begin with.
But the sad truth is that a growing number of 'younger' generations are taught poorly. And resort far too readily to getting their information or answers from the internet and then taking that for granted. You only have to see how perversely easy it is for individuals to be 'cancelled' on soc. media on the basis of some tale concocted by a disgruntled pleb. in their bedroom.
On the note of everyone having access to essentially all knowledge in a little handheld rectangle, I do love this odd human behavior that has come out of it, sort of a recreational ignorance. There have been many times I've been talking with friends and someone will ask some trivia question like "who was the actor that played a dude in this movie?", "where/when did yada yada happen?", "whats it called when...", etc. Everyone at the table has an internet connected device in reach, any one of us could find the answer in just a couple of taps, but we don't. We all instead tilt our heads in weird angles, and put pained looks on our faces as we say things like "ohhhhhh fuck I know what your talking about it's uhhhhhh" until one of us can summon the trivia from some dusty corner of our memories and shouts the answer loudly, or someone just looks it up online. I don't know I just think those moments are special and not something my elders would've been able to experience the same way.
For those of us that are older even though we have that device right in front of us for so long in our lives, especially the more formative years, there was no such thing and we always revert to our most accustomed way of doing something like what you describe. The difference is that when we can't remember we just go oh well. Then you wake up at 3am shouting the actor's name scaring the sh!t out of your wife.
This exact situation arises regularly with my friends and I. But we have an unwritten rule that we only resort to googling as a very last resort. We've sometimes gone several hours before someone in the group suddenly shouts out, "I remember"! Also no one likes getting their glasses out until the squinting becomes too embarrassing! Social groups can have some strange conventions...
Im always looking things up, don't know a word in a movie, looking it up, somebody is talking about something it don't know about, looking it up, new product/service/brand/company looking it up, don't remember something looking it up. Is it something personal dont worry, I have all my notes, journaling, etc, in the cloud, I can look it up.
One of the most impressive subjects I had in pedagogical university was "dealing with media". They'd for example show us how seemingly legit sources pulled information out of context for attention grabbing and, getting back to the point, they also said "back in the day we had a lack of information and the challenge was to get a chance or skill to obtain it. Now we have an overflow of information noone could ever fully process, so the challenge is now to be able to filter valuable information out of this jungle of data" I feel like spreading awareness on such things is essential and I love that it's planned on being integrated in future curricula.
"Why even learn things anymore" is such a strange question to me. I have learned things all of my life, and those were the best experiences I had. I love learning new things, it has always been fun for me. To me this question is the same thing as "Why even have fun anymore?".
We need to learn. Maybe not about the power house of the cell.... Rather, we need to learn how to learn. What questions to ask. What is worth knowing? And why? Having all the answers means we need to learn what questions to ask.
@@Sniperboy5551 how many times in your day to day life are you referencing ANY biology let alone a nucleus? I'm betting it's pretty scant. Edit: It's so rare an event I couldn't even remember that the answer wasn't even nucleus but mitochondria!
@@Sniperboy5551 It is worth knowing the "powerhouse of the cell" Might not be worth teaching it. Just do what everyone does and look it up. Knowing WHEN you need that information... that is worth a class on.
Phhhft, everyone knows what a midichlorian is 🙄 Seriously though, I think it's totally fine to have those classes and it may even be a great thing to have them. Not every kid knows exactly what they want to do when they're 16. Being exposed to life science and realizing you want to continue learning it in college, or finding out you have a knack for math when a lot of your classmates struggle with it is great! The real problem with all the niche knowledge schools teach us is that they keep it abstract. We learn the powerhouse of the cell, but we're left alone to figure out why that matters. Spoiler alert, we're all living beings with trillions of cells and we feed them what we feed ourselves.
@@philipramirez5406 I do agree being exposed to a variety of experiences is essential. That would be a class worth having, even if you had a world of knowledge in your hand.
The terrifying thing is that there is undoubtedly a military version of each of the humanoid robots Joe listed, if not already being developed on the DL, then at least on the drawing board.
Like the robotic pack mule that was so loud and uncoordinated that using a real mule was more effective, until a more energy dense solution is found, humans will still find employment opportunities on the battlefield.
The military doesn't need that garbage. No humanoid robot will ever compete with an automatic tank or an aircraft with target recognition. The only reason we spent space and materials on something as a crew was that automation technologies were not advanced enough. You don't put a humanoid robot in a tank. You create a remote controlled or automated vehicle without that inside space.
Most important thing to learn is the difference between good information and bad information. All the info in the world doesn't help you when you have no way to know what's real and what's fake.
@@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fk Aggressively and deliberately misunderstanding someone using a colloquialism is ALWAYS cool and incredibly smart, 100% of the time.
Exactly. At the very start of the video when you proposed the question of why learn anything when we're surrounded by knowledge I stopped the video to think, because the thing is: we're surrounded by information - kids especially. Knowledge is something else entirely. It needs to be cultivated, it requires understanding. And all the other things you said at the end of the video. Great video, as always!
@friedlemon5172, knowledge versus understanding is exactly the point that Dr. Richard Feynam made as a result of his teaching for a year at a Brazilian university. He was appalled that the students could regurgitate answers to problem sets without actually understanding.
From the lovely, anectodal autobiography "Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman". The big takeaway that I got from his stories is that he learned through sheer curiosity about the world, by playing-- as in, just how is this thing working? Amazing how his learning how to spin plates on the end of a stick led to the physics experiments that eventually landed him a Nobel prize.
I'm a CNC operator and a few years away from 60 who hasn't been able to save anything for retirement and have already dropped dead once from a heart attack and now have a pacemaker, cardiac issues and huge medical debt. Thanks for scaring the shit out of me with the GD robots.
Don't let him scare you. AI is way overhyped because it's meaningless without humans. Find purpose in your life. Look to family and personal fulfillment. Your CNC work, other things of interest. For me, it's lifting.
@@TheBcoolGuy I think you have it wrong. Once AI becomes commonplace it's humans who will be pointless. I'm not saying this to sound edgy, it's just that billions of people will be left without anything to do. There are only so many jobs which will still require a human touch, and many people are starting to accept AI art in all its forms. There just won't be a need for us anymore. Now, for those who are allowed to keep going through the transition, I think they may end up living pretty great lives, but I think the this time will be devastating for those without the means to weather it. I am one of those people too by the way, I'm just as scared as the OP.
@@disky01 AI has no purpose and no task without humans. It is an extension of us. We've dealt with much bigger increases in automation before just fine. AI is not a mind, nor could it ever be. It is just a clever way of creating pretty good prediction algorithms for a given output, from an input, inspired by how neurons work. Without our input, AI is dead. I think, in a way, you and many others find this exciting and want to feel scared.
@@ronniekillertone There's always something you can do. If nothing else, you could look into trading stocks and bonds. A big heads up is that right now, it seems clear we're about to see a massive recession, so don't buy anything right now! When the market is really down, the best-fit companies that can weather these harsh storms will be ripe for the purchase.
man makes robot to make paper clips. robot realizes it cant make paperclips if it's deactivated. robot realizes man can deactivate robots. robot deactivates man. robot can now make paperclips unimpeded.
had this conversation with my mid-20's year old son regarding his chosen field of work. I asked him why he felt he did not need at least a base understanding and ability to perform his duties/tasks from memory vs having to review and look up everything via search algorithms. He viewpoint was why not use the information readily available which will more than likely be more relevant and accurate than information you have in stored in your memory. I had to think about that. How foreign it was to me to think that I no longer needed to know how to do my job and do it well because if presented with a question or situation I did not know how to address, I could simply look it up. Then I realized that this approach assumes that the situation/scenario you are presented with has been previously identified, solutions found and documented, and that information has been stored and is readily available. It does not consider the fact that someone may have to research various topics and put together their own solution to solve a problem or answer a question. Of course the people who consider AI to become that panacea to fill that void (as AI will be able to think and put together streams of data to come up with synthesized solutions) have that angle covered. I'm not so sure.
You also have to consider that the vast amount of information may not be available constantly. Solar flares, for example, can put an end to it, even if just temporarily. Then what when you don't know anything? What if a cell tower or landline goes down and you have no connection for however long? Then what? No matter what, knowledge *is power* .
you do not need to know, you just need to know where to find the stuff you need to do what you need to do. Most jobs today are those shitty ones, that is with a computer at your side ... you can use it to look stuff up. The real jobs, electricians, dentists, etc. are for those who do not want to do anything with computers. they are right. Computers are means of distraction and they make us more and more stupid. Smartphones even more.
There's still a reason to be fearful of that, though. If you look up other massively successful societies, such as ancient Rome, and look into why they fell in the first place, you'll see that forgetting information was part of that collapse.
Assuming that the answer can always be found online assumes that you are never dealing with a novel problem. Sometimes you have to try, test, learn to build a knowledge base where none has previously existed. You cannot synthesize a system from non-existent parts. Until machine learning can jump from synthesis to novel ideation, there is no reason for people who have this ability to fear losing their jobs to a computer. A computer is a tool. Even the most advanced machine leaning algorithms we have today are tools and are not capable of true innovation. Relying on recorded information alone precludes the ability to innovate.
I am a brain damaged artist, who has just spent approximately 13 years putting myself through college, then university to get at art degree. The first thing AI has "attacked" is the thing that I have spent so long studying. My Facebook feeds are filled with suggested pages of AI "artists" Telling software to do a task is not artistry, anymore than you asking an artist to do a painting makes you an artist. It is all really depressing.
My dad wanted me to go to art school instead of getting a STEM degree. I insisted on STEM. He didn't live to see art degrees become obsolete. My goal is to create an MRI machine that artists can use to bring their brain images to life.
@@filescout266 I could have gotten a crappy art career so easily too. In fact I had a book deal to make a book featuring pictures of fairies representing the elements of the periodic table handed to me on a silver platter. I squandered it because I believe I need to have a deeper understanding of quantum chemistry to design the fairies correctly. Because of my apathy toward art as a career I am now 34 and have never worked a day in my life, still in college because of being trapped in the Kafkaesque roach motel that is community college (I would've gone to a real college immediately if my abusive foster parent allowed me) but I'm in a real college now (had to transfer under the wrong major though because autism as a disability makes it hell to do anything other than online classes or regular classes without mandatory attendance - STEM classes at the community college fall under neither category, and their computer science classes are too focused on workforce training and not enough on quantum cryptography or artificial intelligence - and I've finally worn the math dept down enough to get permission to take upper division math classes without the prerequisites, still haven't worn down the physics dept though.
"Everyone's natural impulses rewired in the way the state deems appropriate." A couple notes: how much of our impulse to gather wealth is natural, and how much of it is learned? And secondly I feel the "Do we want the state doing this?" question is just like the "Do we want the state planning our economy?" question. All economies are planned right now its just Walmart and Amazon planning ours. Do we want them in charge of that? That question can be asked of rewiring our impulses question. I think advertising, social media, consumerism, gambling are rewiring our impulses right now, so do we want to leave all that up to companies? Just laissez faire? Draftkings has out best interests in mind?
Economy is just a platform for all sort of scams. Every business is a scam. Many people see this and do not want to take part. Because you have a choice either you open your own scam, look for sincere people to help you to scam, or you are one of those sincere ones and get depressed as you help a scammer called the employer to scam others. We have replaced taking by force by taking by deception. This is the difference between the war and the economy ... During the war the winner takes all by force, in capitalism the winner takes all by stealing. There is a stick and a carrot too, the carrot is a nice house and an audi in front of it, the stick ... inflation 2%, often more.
@@Kaotiqua just wait till the Corporations AI starts conditioning us. It'll be much worse than what other humans did and could increase and speed up the pollution and environmental destruction because the billionaires will have it optimize for their wealth $$$
I think a large part of education is to inspire people to have curiosity. To not only be able to ask why, but to be able to answer it using logic and reason, and then being able to accept those answers, even if they are uncomfortable. The idea that there is an objective reality feels like something large parts of the world are becoming untethered to.
I came to the conclusion years ago that nearly every single individual on this planet is living in some form of delusion when compared to the objective reality of things. Human psychology isn't built to comprehend objective reality, our biases and beliefs unfortunately helped to keep us alive all these millennia. Unfortunately, there absolutely is a problem whereupon many many people are ecstatic to live a very deluded and unhealthy lifestyle if it makes them happier overall. Too many people blow their money, time, resources away on all sorts of terrible, stupid things when we live in a world that's running out of most everything. A lot of people are living like the bunker partiers towards the end of the movie Downfall were, cognizant of a tenth of a tenth of a percentage of the danger they're in, and that level of anxiety is already enough to make them willing to discard reality for pleasurable living in the short-term instead. We're just animals with bigger-than-average brains, but too many people refuse to believe that and refuse to change their thinking and living habits to compensate. It's sad and tragic and driven by how much hustle and bustle forces us along an unsustainable path, partially-blinded all the way. Life is hell by default and too many people aren't willing to accept that, aren't willing to put in the effort to change themselves and improve things, they'd rather make a little more money next week instead, albeit out of necessity. Edit: Okay, I guess half my comments are being shadowbanned by the Google thought police now. I'm not seeing it here now. Fuck ABC, fuck the industry, fuck this shit government, fuck the status quo.
@@sianais "Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it into a fruit salad". - Caroline Hutton. Not sure if you did it on purpose, but "fish" is a real good example of biological definitions going counter to commonly held belief. Nature isn't so convenient as to restrict itself to the structure of human language.
Adam Savage was recently asked which fictitious version of the future does he think we are most likely heading? He answered that he'd love to think we are headed toward the Star Trek universe but fears we are headed for something more dystopian.
He's right. Between the increasing effects of climate change and the continued reckless greed of the elites - we're seeing the early signs of dystopia now.
It's going to be: Russian and American oligarchs unite around Trump (done), Nations fall one-by-one to dictatorships (in progress), unemployment, homelessness will explode, revolt and ruthless repression will follow (autonomous weapons will come in handy to defend the .01%) What economy remains will be the rich trading luxury goods between themselves. Of course they'll have to come up with a final solution for all those starving mouths, maybe develop a virus that they immunized themselves against? We're all about to hit the Great Filter; SPLAT!
Reminds me of an old sci-fi story i read, where human technology took over so much of our thinking that we evolved to be much, much less intelligent, and then once we got dimb enough we ended up diversifying to occupy the ecological niches of all the animals we drove to extinction. So their were predators and prey and grazers and semi-aquatic creatures that were all descended from humans, and one species of deer like grazers still had technology trying to take care of them. Was some pretty fascinating concepts.
@bluetimesskyrii No, but good catch. I've read several of Dougal Dixon's speculative biology books, and found them fascinating. The one I'm referring to, whose title and author I've sadly long forgotten, was not illustrated, and I think it was written closer to the 70s. I used to pick up all sorts of sci-fi short story anthologies for dirt cheap from a local used book store that has now been out of business for probably 20+ years, and there's a ton of fascinating short stories I read back then that I really wish I could track back down again.
I spent my son's formative years not teaching him what to think, I focused on teaching him how to think. Teaching him my opinions would have been irrelevant. I want him to make his own observations, and listen to the observations of others, and make up his own mind about what his view of the world will be. Possibly related or unrelated: he just got accepted into studying the Behavioural Neurology program at the university.
You missed what I thought would have been one of the most important reasons to learn things. Recall speed. If you learn something, you can recall, process, and communicate that information faster than if you had to always look that information up whenever you needed it.
I see it as having the ability to see relationships between things. It's a different question between "how to fix a tire," and "why is my tire flat?" One is a specific remedy or process, while the other is a framework for why it works, and which remedy is more appropriate given the circumstances.
Laudnium... most likely spelled that wrong. Lol. Mining ores for space exploration and treaties for technology was the currency in trek lore. Technology itself was the currency of the future. Essentially. Lol
@@brandonscheuer1769Gold-pressed latinum is what you're thinking of. Latinum is the valuable bit, being some kind of liquid that's hard/impossible to replicate, with the worthless gold acting as a matrix to hold it.
Deep Space 9 was a bit more realistic than Next Generation. I can't speak for the new shows, I haven't seen them. DS9 use latinum, and had gambling. Presumably the Federation were getting these credits to gamble with from somewhere. There must be some sort of universal income in the DS9 universe.
I feel like the whole "post-currency" schtick was a bit disingenuous. Sure, they had so much energy they didn't know what to do with it all... But they also had a semi-sentient computer keeping track of everything everyone ever does on the ship, so if someone is abusing their replicator rations someone will be notified. It would take a lot to trigger that red flag, but I'm sure there was a quota being tracked somewhere. I guess it's one way to prevent abuse in a post-scarcity economy, at the cost of privacy.
Its not about learning stuff, it is about understanding, judging, interpreting and using (or discarding) the stuff we learn. In fact, learning has never been about memory, but about discovery. Our sick system reduced that esential core, to sterile lists of alternatives. It killed curiosity, critical thinking, deductive skills and imagination. Is not about the what, but about the how and the why.
Understanding something versus reading about something are completely different things. What I mean by this is that you can read anything, but to truly understand it? That is the hard part, and most do not care enough to go that extra step of understanding the things they read about. My entire life, I have had a hard time with zero access to available knowledge and my parents not being in the best financial sense. This meant that I needed to fix something if it broke, because if I didn't, I'd not be able to replace it. It was, and still is, a life of fix it or go without, and I am so damn glad I'm like this. People need to make a compromise as some, and I'm not pointing fingers, will merely break something, demand that their parents replace it and even those with more money than sense will just replace it. It's not just wasteful, it's rotting our brains, and it's scary, horrifying, ridiculously reckless and most of all? It's just sad.
I lived this life too - I still fix my own stuff the best I can, cars, tape decks, amps whatever - but as I get older (almost 50 now) I don't feel the ability to waste my effort on it is worth it when I could pay someone to do it if I can afford it. If I can't - that is an issue!!
@@Defensive_Wounds Totally agree! It's more of a wider thing, as I'm very pro right-to-repair and repair my own stuff all the time. It's definitely something I wish more folks would try, as it can be super rewarding (as I'm sure you know). So long as there are folks out there who can, and will offer to ix, or fix for their own, it's a win-win. I'm only 37 myself, but this is something I'm glad others feel passionate about as well. As for companies and the like, they seem to be creating an economy where you pretty much have to either damage or even right out scrap components as they are manufactured in a way that pretty much tries its best to hamper repairs. I have an HP laptop (amongst many others) that I needed to replace the trackpad on. This is normally easy on many older machines, but on this one I had to tear the old one out as it was plastic-welded in place, and then dremel the detritus away to install the new one. It's actually ridiculous how much they do to hamper repairs.
I grew up on a farm in Utah. I loved being there. If something broke we just fixed it no thoughts on getting new. When the farms was pushed out for housing we ended up in the city. As a teen I make my side money as its called today. Fixing 4 and 8 track tape decks along with reel to reels. A skill set I learned from old Radio Electronics magazine my Uncles gave me back on the farm. Now at 68 and having had a good life designing PCB's and writing code as work. I still do for FUN. I even enjoy Minecraft Skyblock redstone builds for others. For me still good times.
In agreement with your point, when I was at university there was one person I knew who had done very well through high school. She struggled greatly in college, and studied for _ages_ without much improvement. It really baffled me until I realized that she wasn't learning or understanding the material. She was attempting to memorize it and vomit it back up for tests. Between the volume of new material and the complexity, she was driving herself to a nervous breakdown. She would probably have done extremely well in a more hands on field, or even something more straightforward like data entry. Her family was really rich, thiough, and they thought that kind of decent work was beneath her. Talk about stupid. She was miserable, and there was no purpose in it. For context, she was taking a midlevel Macroeconomics course in this example.
The mindset of "why do something, it's pointless if you think about it," is the sort of mindset you slip into during depression. You stop learning because it's too hard and it doesn't really matter, you stop cleaning because it will just get dirty again, you stop talking to people because they'll just abandon you or they don't really care about you, so you stop seeing the point in washing or brushing your teeth or getting out of your bed. It's a downward spiral of a mindset, it's easy to sink fast and let go and just consume, it's what makes a person hollow and miserable.
I feel like you are trying to argue that there actually is point in doing all those inconvenient things, but there just isn't if the life is pointless. In that case spiraling into misery is understandable. Whether or not your life is pointless depends on your view and the circumstances you're in. The problem is that most people are just bred and farmed by ruling class, and their sense of purpose depends on their ignorance. The only way to finding purpose is acquiring freedom to do so.
Learning new things is a pleasure and a dopamine kick in itself. There's so much to learn, you couldn't take it in even if you had until the death of the universe to do it.
We don't need kids to learn things, we need kids to learn how to assess knowledge and make good decisions about what information is good and what information is bullshit.
You need basic scientific knowledge, otherwise everything would seem "magic" and thus allow for "alternatives ". Also,we need adults too,to do everything you say .
Hey thats a great idea for an AI app... an app that assessed your status, say had 'situational awareness' via microphone and video, maybe had extra tools... GPS location, speed, direction, history of what you were up to, all sorts of stuff and it simply whispered in your ear over the day, basing its advice on what you are doing or saying or planning on doing... and you get to set it up obviously, for whatever use case you have. Sorry thinking out loud how to replace 'assessing knowledge' ... cos unlike you I see it as low hanging fruit man.
And the worst thing is that you feel more and more alienated from other people, because they don't care and don't understand a thing. Sometimes I think ignorance, like knowledge, is both a curse and a blessing.
@@desperadox7565 I mean, he's right. The world has been saved by normal guys who kept a sense of reality about them during extraordinary situations many times, and they often go unappreciated. The Kremlin nearly nuked everyone in the 80s for example, and it was a regular soldier sitting at the controls who said "nah, I'll risk execution" and aborted the launch. That's not to say there aren't huge systemic barriers in place to stop real, tangible positive change from happening in the world which cannot be surmounted without extraordinary circumstances. That's a real existing problem pretty much everywhere. But average people genuinely save the world all the time, credit where credit's due.
If you don't learn, you can't separate truth from fiction. And if you can't do that, you are exceptionally easy to manipulate against your own interests.
you do not even know how many knowledgable people get fooled daily. It is enough to give them something they know nothing about and tell them the time is running out for them to make a decision ... or they will lose the greatest opportunity in their life ;)
@@swojnowski453 Isn't that a contradiction? They are not knowledgable if you give them something they know nothing about. In other words, if they had even more knowledge and learnt more, they would not fall for the scheme.
@@tentonmotto6779 it is enough to say time is running out, and they will not do the due diligence even if they can because they have the whole internet at their fingertips. People do not know because they do now want to know. Greed kills all the checks.
At the end of the day, when you are walking around and speaking with other humans, you want to talk with people that know things without looking them up on their phone. It's human interaction that drives us.
Yeah random facts are useless. I don't remember any of those from school. The ones I know today are stuff I learned on my own time because I was curious about it. The point is to learn to think logically and use your brain. The brain is like a muscle that must be developed initially. It has most certainly helped me in my job. I'm amazed at people in my occupation who can't think critically and troubleshoot. It's like they have no idea how things work. Though many can get by by randomly changing parts until they get it working. You could argue that perhaps I don't need to know these things, I can be like they are and barely scrape by while making the same money. But the simple fact is I'm carrying the load for them. Otherwise nothing would get fixed. And that is the answer to Joe's question. Somebody is going to need to fix these robots. Though eventually other robots can fix the robots. And yeah he points out that robots are getting better dexterity and all that. But for my lifetime, I know they could never take my job. They are still so clumsy right now and have limited range of motion. Nothing I've seen in this video has convinced me otherwise. Even the one that got up from the floor without using their hands. That's not a useful work skill. That's something a 3 year old can do.
“All the world’s knowledge” is not on the Internet. Not even close. Nearly all (conscious) knowledge is private. Do financial institutions tell us how the economy really works? Do national security institutions tell us how international relations really works? Nope. Just because the Internet has “an answer” does not mean it is “the answer.”
this is what I call the dimensionality issue. Text is 1D, the real world is 4D (space + time), now you can't recreate information in 4D matrix from information in 1D matrix ... so AIs fill the gaps with their own crap and those who want us believe it is the end of the world we know it, call it hallucinations ;)
"Why would anyone want to work without money?" Asks the creative. 🤦♂️ Remember when they asked us in high school what we'd want to do IF money wasn't a factor? And we all had to give up on those passions/dreams when we realized money IS a factor? Well Joe, what if it really wasn't? Would you not want to pursue your passions? Create art? Entertain people? Travel? Try out new hobbies? Spend time with and help your family, friends, and community?
In a perfect, healthy world that'd be true. But most people are way too trained on doom scrolling, binge eating, and just generally being sad and anxious and doing things that sad and anxious people. I think if we worked on a better education system to at least start the process of indoctrinating people on fulfilment and purpose, we could probably get to that point.
What frustrated me with school was having to memorize random facts. I found it difficult to remember names and dates for instance, or what something was called. But I’d understand the process and theories well. I often did better on short answer questions. I’d love to see a future where thinking critically and more dynamically is more important than memorizing…
This reminds me of a nightmare I had one time where mass produced house helper robots started glitching and when i came home the robot was peeling off someone's face and looked at me and said "potatoes are almost peeled, starting carrots" and started chopping fingers. It was absolutely insane because the robot thought it was functioning as normal but slaughtering people unaware.
There is ZERO reason not to teach kids critical thinking in as early as middle school except the fact that you don't want the general public to have the ability to think critically.
The problem with critical thinking is that it requires you find the incorrect or offensive things that the teaching says is ALWAYS THERE. It is not always there, but people can twist anything to mean whatever they want.
@@samwillard5688 Wrong it teaches you to form and support an argument logically. There are very few instances where things are black and white where there is a unarguable error in someones point of veiw.
@@noanyobiseniss7462 of course, point of view is to say my personal "Lens". Nothing is ever perfect. The problem is when the REASON provided for the disparities is incorrect, or based on faulty data.
i'm a firm believer in that Knowledge it self is it's own reward, what we really need to worry about is a world worked by robots owned by greedy people
As a comic on Twitter goes, what we want is a machine to do our dishes and laundry so we can make music and art. What we get is a machine to make music and art so we can do dishes and laundry. Everyone in the media and tech preach a theory of economics where automation will first take the jobs we don't want to do, but that's never been reality. It will take the most costly labor positions whose occupants don't have the power to resist (eg. leaving out upper management) which is going to mean demolishing the middle class. Then it will work its way down the ladder gradually replacing the lowest paid and most menial labor until finally filing the jobs that we've learned to offload to people outside the corporation (like grocery self checkouts) because that is exactly how corporations will save themselves the most cash.
The gigantic labour force of engineers sourced from all over the world to make it all work are from places who gave up a huge amount of their best and brightest intellectual capital and delayed turning their own cultural thoughts in to tangible reality, possibly a very different idea of capital relationship.... It just feels every time it comes to a point where reciprocity is the order of the day...they've found another reason to plow more resources in to a new labour saving idea...or threaten another war or find a new other group to distract people with. Life figured out the only real way to change was to learn how to die, we wouldn't exist if life didn't iterate all those trillions of times and return all that ever increasing mass of organic matter back in to the system to be regenerated in something else going back and forth between the many many ecological systems. We still rely massively on burning the dead rather than sunlight, life on the other hand developed all the complexity on sunshine...slow but sustainable Sometimes you gotta wonder if they'll ever spruce your goose without asking.....just seems like a really one sided relationship of someone in a perpetual race with something.
@@spaceriksha i is just the monoploly delima. If you own all the industries and jobs then your company will collapse. Also corporations problaly wouldent gun for the middle class as historically targeting them results is most of the polotical backlash as in socity it is the middle class that weilds the ability to effect change. Corportations would need to work their way up as to not disturb thoes who hold higher power in the polotical system.
Humans are not designed to have robots replace them in all manual and intellectual jobs. If we are not exercising our mind and body to tackle actual problems, our very selves will atrophy and we'll end up being superfluous and redundant.
Or, you just convince the blue collar working class that they are middle class, even though, during the GW Bush administration, members of Congress had defined it as households earning at least $250,000 per year, and during the Trump administration they upped it to $400,000 per year.* If said blue collar working class spends about 4 decades or so, voting against their own best interests in favor of ever greater tax breaks for the wealthy, there will be no middle class left to worry about. That rose tinted Norman Rockwell past, that people want to Make America Great Again like, was made possible by FDR's New Deal taxation of corporations and the wealthy upwards of 95%, as well as not only strong infrastructure initiatives, but large, federal infrastructure projects that gave a large swath of the population steady, well paying work for a number of years. [ _*Incidentally those are the same prices as the payout from life insurance for members of the military during each of those timeframes . I wouldn't say it's 100% coincidental, but neither of those values were newly set during those times, either._ ]
As a former English teacher, I can tell you that the problem isn't a lack of knowledge available, but a lack of being able to use critical thinking skills to determine which sources of information are reliable and which are bogus, and lack in ability to clearly express one's own ideas and opinions regarding the information given. It was a real battle trying to get students to understand that these skills were the ones I was trying to teach, not just a regurgitation of information they Googled.
I also think it's a function of the teacher, school, and resources available. I've had many college classes and grad classes where you can get an A by just showing up and classes that can get someone an A by memorizing back tests and formulas. Very few classes I've had truly made me think about what I was learning and why. Coming from an engineering major where you would think critical thinking is...critical. The classes that made me think the most was actually a speech class...on paper I would think material, energy entropy mass balance would be that class
I think being able to tell what sources of information are reliable these days is difficult for us all. So many different agendas get in the way and the twisting and manipulation of information to suit these agendas make it very difficult to know what’s is reliable anymore.
@@A.waffle Especially after the last four years. Trust has been shattered. It may take generations to return. If it ever does.
@@Mythhammer I totally agree. I think all of that existed before the last 4 years, but in the last 4 years it has just become extremely obvious and exaggerated.
C0VlD proved to me that most people, including "smart" people in universities are fully coapable of being mind controlled by well-made propaganda.
Something that has become painfully apparent with the tech giants recently is that we might think we're offloading knowledge and intellectual tasks to a service provided for us, but in reality we're giving control of it to people who already wield considerable power. We should not fear AI deciding to destroy humanity. We should fear AI consolidating power in the hands of those who control access to money, energy, and mineral resources.
What's this we sh!t, got a mouse in your pocket?
Companies cant even handle strikes, let alone rebellions
Amen.
Although many tech giant incumbents will see their business models upended. Perplexity is more usable for me than most other search engines...
Fact - the tech giants are villains. They're like the oil barons of old - fabulous wealth and power, too busy to learn the normal adult maturity, too privileged for perspective, and too involved in politics. But they're ALSO the same poorly socialized egomaniacs they were in high school, who think they know how to do everything - and are eager to implement their dysfunctional ideas on us. That's why we see folks like Elon in politics so heavily, spewing frequently fact-checked reductionism, and "I read the Wikipedia summary, I'm an expert" takes on everything. We've elevated a bunch of people who never learned to function in society.
It's time we stop letting tech giants exploit our lives and time to get rich and powerful. Push for regulation. We had free speech before social media - and less anti-intellectual populism. It's not free speech - social media IS the dystopian populist brainwashing we've feared. They won't have to burn books if no one wants or knows how to read anything longer than a tiktok caption
One of the best, most true quotes that my dad ever shared with me was, "The more you know, the more you see." He told me that and gave me the example of the dirt and sand near a creek bed, talking about geology and erosion and whatnot, and how understanding the processes behind it made it so much more interesting than simple sand or dirt. I've spent a lot of time over the last few years learning about storms and severe weather, just because I love learning more about the world around me. Everything becomes so much more vibrant and detailed when you have knowledge as a reference frame to experience the world through.
I really like your Dad's quote; to me, it seems very similar to 'the more you know, the more you know what you don't know'.
I literally hate it. Knowing more, and starting to comprehend to some degree how larger systems work is scary as hell. You start to realize just how obscenely complicated the world around you is and just how insignificant you are, and then, it becomes excruciating to deal with know-it-alls who haven't yet come to understand basic reality.
@@yakwabbit That's called being "consciously incompetent," or, in other words, you're smart enough to have some idea of what you don't know.
Most people are a tier below that, at "unconsciously incompetent," thinking they have the world figured out while knowing almost nothing about reality, and unfortunately, I am fairly sure they're happier for it.
How can I amplify what @ullrich says above? He/she ? is saying it, hear their spot-on paragraph and generalise. I don't know about geology, but just whatever, the more you know the more you can perceive and it enriches everyone because not only knowledge but being and consciousness is increased, particularly if they point out or share. Please amplify this.
@ulrich - I fully agree. I am always trying to learn. My passion is intelligence/Ai (since the 1970s). I've always wanted to understand the brain. I have 2 kids, and apart from the normal joy of children, I am fascinated to see them learn to understand the world. I marvel at how effortlessly they start to generalise, learn language, strategies etc. I feel that knowing something of the complexity of such problems gives me a richer experience and appreciation of them.
Knowledge isn't everywhere, information is. Big difference.
I'm pretty sure it's called KT, not IT.
I think you mean disinformation
@@michaelmatthiesen8300 more like 'MK'... Seeing it live, people believing up is down, total wireless mind control
BAM🙌🏼
Its not just ipad kids, but also the decay of our internet infrastructure. The internet really isn't this pool of infinite knowledge, its a forest thats constantly rotting away as much as it is growing. Its a perpetually burning library that regularly receives new books.
Navigating it requires not just experience, but also knowing its history. There's literal historians out there on RUclips who's entire job is basically recovering lost media and shit, and there's also issues that can't always be resolved during research such as link rot (dead hyperlinks).
So are you saying that the internet will eventually be full? This is a serious question. I’ve always thought something will end it somehow.
Whatever,
Why is it necessary to know the (presumably) internet's history in order to navigate it. A "perpetually burning library?" How so?
Google scraped the internet and put websites on page two or three destroying the incentive that created the internet. Then AI scraped the internet of all the hard work of internet creators. Next there will just be AI created websites to scrape, like a snake eating its tail.
@@wignersfriend2766 you used to get the truth or the correct answer when you looked something up on the internet but that isnt true anymore and it's getting less and less true . The first/top answer you get now isnt the right answer anymore , it is an answer that has been sponsored to be first and or answers based on what the algorithms think you're asking about or think you want to see based on your search history , if you google whether the Holocaust happened , after you look it up a couple of times the algorithms assume you are a holocaust denier and that is what it starts to give you is a bunch of stuff claiming the Holocaust never happened instead of giving the the actual truth about the Holocaust .
Anyone can put anything they want on the internet , it isnt filled with just facts anymore . That needs to be known and understood in order to navigate it successfully .
_Why Even Learn Things Anymore?_ - As my physical health continues to deteriorate I've taken to going over my maths and physics textbooks. Online, I go on RUclips to watch STEM videos, including Joe Scott. I can't imagine NOT wanting to learn. Not even at this late stage.
Same♡
@@Erin-000 I wish you all the best.
Sorry to hear that. I hope you enjoyed yourself when you were at max health.
@@jmorris023 I was just living life like everyone else. Now I'm losing my ability to breathe due to a connective tissue disease. Thank you for your concern.
People who are into Math, Science, etc grew up wanting not just answers but how to get those answers and pretty much to question everything... It is a joy to figure things out for yourself.
I am also older but like you there is still the interest in the scienes. Hope we both are here to see some of unimagined breakthroughs the next few years will bring..
"Life is more interesting when you know things." - Joe Scott
Seriously, this should be your channel's tag line.
It used to be, " Laugh Smarter".
Well, not too many laughs anymore on _this_ channel, so yeah, why not?
Like actually tho
Terrence Howard thinks 1 x 1 = 2 and got 3 hours on Joe Rogan. Ridiculous.
@@mementomori29231 - 1 doesn't exist in nature. Only 0.5
+1 this. This is a hell of a tagline.
Just because you can Google something doesn’t make you smart. Googling it and understanding it are two different things. Critical thinking skills are important. The truth is important. The Trivium is important, grammar, logic and rhetoric. This is how we utilize and express valid knowledge.
Also you have to know exactly what to Google. That itself can be a skill
I agree with you wholeheartedly. However, it doesn't seem that the majority of people these days would agree. Or they would agree in theory but not in practice. I suppose almost everyone would agree that critical thinking is valuable and important, yet you don't see many examples of critical thinking in interactions online.
I likewise agree that grammar and logic are important, but it's obvious that an adherence to grammar is extremely low on the scale of importance; and logic, like critical thinking, is rare in practice.
Indeed, if there is one modern fact that never ceases to amaze and dishearten me, it is the ironic contradiction that exists in our modern technological era: That almost everyone has all of the accumulated knowledge in his or her hands at all times, yet almost no one takes advantage of it. This ought to be the Age of Renaissance Men and Women. We should all be experts in multiple areas, yet we're more reliant on "experts" than ever before.
Googling something also needs to be weighed by sources as well.
In a super meta, Idiocracy is a prequel to WALL-E... And, Idiocracy is what the poorer people live like while WALL-E is what happens to the richest people.
my pet theory is that idiocracy is the same world as futurama, just 500 years earlier. explains to me why the people in futurama are still dumb as heck, but still decently successful.
Replace WALL-E with the movie "Elysium", that's where the rich would go.
Just like how the Flintstones are the poor Earthers while the Jetsons are the spacefaring elite in the same timeline.
@@davidbeddoe6670that put its into a whole new perspective, making Blade Runner/Altered Carbon/Ghost in the Shell wealth gap miniscule
Spoken like a true Gregg head
I cannot speak to other fields of academia, but I can speak to physics and math. One of the big reasons we have you slog through all those problem sets and do page after page of integrals, is not to create a perfect library of all the answers in your head, but rather to develop a sense of problem solving and intuition.
It's become a huge problem within education as there always seems to be that, "Why do we need to learn this when we can just reference the answers later?" question. And it is a constant struggle to demonstrate why having a library of off hand knowledge is so important. Doing so equips you to tackle problems later on where the answer is completely unknown. Like, no one in history has solved the problem unknown. By constantly exercising your mind on problems we have solved, you develop guide rails for problems where you don't know the answer, and you're not entirely sure where its going, but they're there to ensure you don't veer too far off in the wrong direction.
It also helps build intuition you'd otherwise never develop. A perfect example would be prompting chat GPT to solve a quantum physics level 1 problem. It'll usually get you a decent ballpark answer, and it can be very helpful with guiding the end user on how their code ought to look(especially if you're not familiar with code structures/fresh out of computational methods) but without having wrestled with those problems independently you'd never know where it went wrong, or despite having done all the right steps, ended with an improper result. I can't remember all of what I learned in calc three, but if you locked me in a room and told me to solve for the volume of a sphere, I could relatively quickly solve that problem with past experience and the off hand intuition we all had to develop. Anyways, just my two cents on the matter.
Totally agreed. On physics and math, there are some folks out there who claim AI is gonna take over physicists and mathematicians in future, popping out theorems and stuff. Do you think human intuition and creativity could ever be matched by some data crunching machines?
a short example of the above - i moved to an offgrid and offline cabin i built for myself. i had access to a library and bought some solar panels. i learnt from a book how they should be oriented to the sun to get the most power from them.
although i only remembered a^2 + b^2 = c^2 and sin(a) or cos(b) = opposite or adjacent side / adjacent or opposite side can help me find length values for a, b, and c, i sat down and derived the measurements to build an adjustable triangle on which to mount my solar panels. it took several days of blood, sweat, and tears with a calculator and paper, but i did it.
even if i'd had access to google, i doubt if its 1995 form would have found me the formula i needed. good thing i had access to a brain that remembered a couple of very basic concepts and had learned how to go about solving problems involving geometry.
Exactly. This is so brilliantly articulated, thank you. And I'll also add that it's the same in every field of academics even in art, I can't tell you how many times I've had to simply try to draw what was in my head because my AI generator model couldn't get even minutely close to what I've envisioned.
@WaddiaS - yes, yes I do. These won't just be dumb machines forever. Such intuition based human advantages will probably take more decades to be passed up by machines, but there's no reason to believe when artificial general intended machines (true thinking ai "singularity), it won't very quickly be immensely better at everything even that than us.
The question isn't to me if we get there, but how long it will take
Well done. It isn’t about being able to look up the answer. It is about learning how to solve problems and deciphering what is relevant.
Being an adult in modern Anerica is the slow process of realizing that we're not building toward the world of Star Trek. We're creating planet Spaceball.
Honestly, I think we're on our way to Bladerunner or some other dystopian world.
@@Ashlynsohvik Every society must eventually choose between the common good and the construction of ....Megamaid!
Megamaid: It's not just a spaceship, it's a transformer!
Not even Star Trek is Star Trek anymore.
@@thequestion8697 Stacey Abrams became "President of Earth" somehow. It was really baffling.
You aren't building a world of anything, America is not significant outside of it's own continent
I’m one of those types of people that just wants to continue to learn things. Constantly. I’m partly disabled and I work at home and I am always listening to educational RUclips all day every day. All different kinds of channels. I just constantly want to learn EVERYTHING.
Same here,
Im partly disabled too and just got laid off. What job do you do from home and would you recommend it to others?
Same here minus the disability part. There's a lot of bad information out there
me too
mostly I sit in a wheelchair and learning is the only adventure I got.
to be fair, Star trek did have that total breakdown of sociey before it became the utopia we see in the shows. They did have a WWIII after all
Exactly this! They went through tough times!
I was just about to say this myself.
Also,
It's never overtly explained how the economy works,
Its left to the imagination , for good reason. (The writers do not know how it works)
And yet they still had meetings.
@christopherharsch4352
Star trek is a socialist utopia.
9:41 Wait. You're telling me the Jetsons only ran for one season? That's the biggest takeaway from this episode...
Same
So much rerunning...
No way
3 Seasons, 75 episodes.
@@merodobson Back when a season was more then 10 episodes. The good old days.
My kids ask me why they learn when they can Google everything. I respond, why exercise when you can drive everywhere? Exercise does for the body what learning does for the mind. It is shown that learning an instrument or a 2nd language staves off dementia by a few years. Working out is good for the body, learning is good for the mind.
turn tv off, you will live with no dementia. Move to a place where air is cleaner, there will be no dementia either ....
It kind of sounds like you are saying the goal to learning is so that you can subsist a little bit longer.
“Chance favors the prepared mind”. -Louis Pasteur
Just having information available doesn’t make it possible to make discoveries; that requires having the information within the mind. Without people developing their minds, no new discoveries would be made. It’s not just about the health of the mind and body. The evolution of knowledge requires us to gain information for ourselves; that a great deal of additional information is available at our fingertips is just an aid to the process of discovery and knowledge attainment. That exponentiates what we can do with our minds; but it can’t replace it.
@@swojnowski453
Dementia is a bit more complicated than that; there are factors beyond the environmental.
Googling for answers for everything as a crutch is also dangerous if there's no critical thinking to filter out the useful information from the noise or deliberate bad information.
I work in the auto industry and work with these so-called job stealers. They can give you some of the best numbers if they run. However, when they go down, they go DOWN for hours, even days. One of the problems is not so much the robots but the management running them into the ground and hating to PM them, or repair certain components to the robots because of the cost of the parts. like a suction cup costs the company anywhere from $900 to $1300 per cup, etc. Not only is the cost of the parts a thing, but the time to repair them could take anywhere from one hour to days. Getting the part from Germany or China, etc, adds to it, loss of production. All this said, they HATE shutting down the line to fix things, so they end up cutting corners. Because of these shortcuts, some of these robots sit and collect dust, as the lines are replaced with human labor. You would think they would keep parts on hand, but no, it's too costly and a waste of real estate. Which, to some degree, I get. Nevertheless I get they will try to push this to replace human labor. This is the future, and the future looks like crap.
Penny pinching upper management is a thing that will never change. They think they're saving money but in the long run they just make things worse.
I always roll my eyes when rich people (factory owners) complain about the cost of running the thing that makes them rich. Let me pull out the world's smallest violin for you...
When factories used to use steam they HATED to do maintenance
I graduated high school in 1987. In 1983, a teacher told us that knowledge is not what you know but knowing where to find the information.
Bro, you can find WORDS in the dictionary!! 🤯
@@MichaelWaisJr I remember spending a couple of hours in school searching for naughty words in the dictionary with my buddies.
And now its about deciphering which information is not misleading or just plain wrong.
And how to use, as well as how to put it in the context of other information that is relevant to that information. Most people learn something, but are unable to connect or relate to other things they've learned.
dumb situation when the only space to find knowledge is your head...
One thing I learned with a very passionate scuba diving instructor of all people was "with knowledge comes appreciation" and he was so right. I remember how much more interesting and enjoyable my dives with him became after he gave us all in his class a short course on all the sub-aquatic species we could potentially find in the region where we were diving (Thailand), including their names, rarity, habits, etc. Because of that I was able to notice and find a lot of tiny beautiful creatures that I would have never seen if I didn't know about/wasn't keeping an eye out for them.
Knowledge is the filter through which we experience the world, and the more you have it, the more beautiful (and easier) your experience gets.
As a water operator, this is serious shit. So many of the older guys who are retiring don’t even understand what they are actually doing to treat the drinking water, so they teach the young kids their habits without understanding why. This has already led to disaster (Flint) and many smaller injuries from system neglect or overdosing chemicals..this is our drinking water we are talking about and if people don’t know how Alum works and how to dose, or how many lbs of chlorine to add…we are in trouble in a generation or two..
You forgot to add that if you take it on yourself to learn what a jar test is or how to setup a rotometer you better be ready to find a new job because the old folks are going to push you out
I felt this same problem was happening for decades in for example the software industry, there's alot of obvious mistakes and bad design decisions being made by modern companies ( like Microsoft ) because all the smart people retired in the 90s / early-2000s, and the new guard can't (or won't out of arrogance) learn the wisdom of past generations. They're too busy trying to re-invent the wheel, without knowing what a wheel is. That's why every software today & every website just sucks.
@@Coconut-219 I'm in healthcare (not clinical) and I see this a lot too, but to be fair-- you're comparing people at the start of their careers to people at the end of their careers. There's a world of difference between 'I spent ten years developing this, learning from my mistakes, trouble-shooting outcomes and incorporating improvements' vs 'I spent one semester taking a class on this with artificial data and artificial scenarios.'
I'm living and dying in a world right now that is full of 'logic' that clearly made sense to someone 10-15 years ago that no one today can figure out why on earth anyone created it, but everyone is terrified to change it because of how interconnected everything is. We've had too many instances of changing something here only to realize a year later that it impacted something way over there that no one knew was connected because the one guy who set up that convoluted link that involves an export/import instead of an interface retired last year, so when that process stopped working it took a dozen people to track it back to the source.
@@Coconut-219 modern developers have actually learned and incorporated a lot - e.g. Rust has nearly all the power of C with none of the gaping security holes. The problem is that modern software has gotten so complex that no single person can hold the entirety of what a program does in their head, so they have to rely on unit tests and QA/integration testers to catch bugs. Since companies tend to offer lower salaries for those jobs, the people who can get the higher-paying coding jobs tend to go for them. And as Brian Kernighan famously said, "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." So it's not the fault of all the smart people retiring, or the new guard being stubborn. Once again it's management favoring short-term profitability over long-term sustainability.
There's a small town near where I live where "good ol' boys" water operators didn't properly chlorinate the water supply, because they didn't know what it did and made the water taste bad.
One day, there was a run-off from a farmer's field with imported manure that found its way into one of the wells. They did nothing about it and forged their testing results once they started going red because they didn't know how to decontaminate and continued to insist the water was safe because they drank it.
Thousands got sick from E-coli, 50 people were seriously ill, and 7 people died, including children. In a supposedly first world country.
They were arrested for public nuisance and the government raised training standards and abolished grandfathering in their certification.
A former student of mine is now an X-Ray technician. She passed the test, not because she could push a button and have the machine take the picture for her... She passed the test when the machine broke and she had to set the FILM exposure manually! She is now employed while the other 9 students in the class failed.
Yep that’s where the limits for robotics are; as long as we don’t reach proper AI, meaning a system capable of thinking rather than check data that was feed to it, improvising and legit creating are impossible.
@@biazacha until we figure out how to make them fixed themself, do not say that never gonna happen because some corpo will make it happen.
@@redshep4318 But If the machine can fix itself you'd never have to buy a new one, or hire their $300/hour repair service!!
@@biazacha That's hardly a limit when improvisation and creative thinking skills are already luxuries. If and when things go awry, they will remain awry until whatever small staff of humans remain employed to handle the situation. It's really not so different than having a full staff of mildly competent humans that require managerial oversight. Those same humans can easily be replaced.
@@biazacha We're so close. GPT4 is said to have achieved AGI (artificial General Intelligence) already and that Microsoft is reaping the rewards. If we're that close now, just think of the next decade.
Before the internet there were libraries. We had scientists like Michael Faraday who learned most of the elementary science while working as a bookbinder. Mathematicians like Ramanujan learned math from a single 100 page math book. They got the basics and then started experimenting themselves and discovered and invented new things.
I think kids these days are studying in an environment where they are watching a lot of stuff on the internet. You have thousands if not millions of videos showing every experiment and explaining everything. The joy of doing and discovering new things is what drives us to learn more about this world. But now everything is offered on a platter in the form of entertainment. Even the jobs we do are monotonous and service based.
I mean sometimes you just don't have the resources/time to conduct those experiments. Plus, it's basically the same watching someone else do an experiment you're really interested in online versus watching someone do the experiment in real life. In real life you're just more shocked because it's happening right there, in front of you. Also, watching others do experiments is way safer, if you do an experiment relating to electricity, for example, and you don't do it correctly, you could get shocked. Or even maybe die. Those people make those videos about them doing experiments so others can learn without mistakes and without a big expenditure of their time, resources and energy. Learn to look at the bright side.
@@Aurallox
What Eisenhower (POTUS 34) warned about in the Military-Industrial complex was that organized R&D would be comandeered by a narrow group if vontrolling interests, which is what the term "warmongers" teally refers to, not politicians, but executives and policymakers in both gov't. and industry.
IMO "Edutainment" is about the worst thing that ever happened to western culture.
"If you give a kid a hammer at the age of four, he'll say 'ok, fine.' But if you give a kid a rock at three and then a hammer at four, he'll say 'my, what a marvelous invention!' You see, you can't really appreciate the solution until you appreciate the problem."
-Lewis Epstein,
from the introduction to
_Thinking Physics_
@HuntingTarg as someone who actually learned alot through edutainment growing up I strongly disagree.
Wouldn’t this just be the new form that people are using to learn new things? Just as if someone reading books was learning, these kids are on the internet exploring things it took us centuries to even know.
I agree with what you said about the joy of learning for learning's sake, if you will. My favorite representation of myself is one of the Kindle graphics of a boy sitting on a hill, under a tree, reading a book. It describes my life as well as any single visual can. I am 78 years old and I still love to learn new things just "because"!
I understand that visual :) I was thinking of myself as a guy sitting outside his cabin on the top of a remote hillside fixing his satellite transceiver. Learning because your interested, and or want to is actually fun...It also makes you interesting :) Peace and long life. 53
Same here! 65
Exactly. We love to learn. But imagine current teenagers doing that.
This makes me want to listen to the Beatles' The Fool on the Hill again
I agree. Too many students ask why we need to learn things. Knowledge for its own sake isn’t good enough for them.
For a minor defense of the star trek sort of post-scarcity model; When people don't *need* to work to survive, they still tend to... find stuff they want do with their time?
Like, no one needs to work at a factory making plastic water bottles to avoid starvation anymore, but, it makes sense that people would still go into fields like, say, the sciences and technology, politics, the arts, etc. that a lot of people would find rewarding and aligned with their own intrinsic interests and goals.
I imagine there are very few people who would sign up for unfulfilling, tedious, degrading work, but, in the absence of wealth accumulation as a possible pursuit, there is room for the motivations that lead people to take up hobbys and non-job pursuits to become the primariy motivation for them to work.
If, say, you are the sort of person who takes up writing or painting as a hobby you are passionate about and motivated to pursue in the modern world, but still need to work a soul-crushing job for an evil corporation to survive -- then removing the need for the soul-crushing corporate job still leaves the motivation to write or paint to guide how you spend your time and what you do with your life.
YES thank you! I am one of those people. I have chronic health conditions that's meant I've been at home for the past decade. It can drive you to madness! If it weren't for my creative pursuits I would lose my mind! Not stimulating your brain and pushing yourself is incredibly bad for you. Even if we could stay home all the time people would go stir crazy and WANT to work after a while. There's a reason lots of retiaries volunteer or get a basic job because they're bored and just want something to do. Most humans want to be useful and have purpose to their life. It's not all just about making money and survival but that's hard to understand when you live in a greedy and messed up world like ours.
@@Laedeydra Yeah, I haven't been stuck at home entirely, but I'm still disabled (Genetic condition, MH stuff, neither of which are likely to get better, barring some significant medical breakthroughs I guess.) so haven't had a "Real Job" in quite a while.
I still end up working on stuff, basically as much as I am physically/mentally capable of doing so, it's just not really the sorts of things that are particularly monetizable, (or, which could be if I could do them consistently but aren't because I can't.)
But who is going to write and appreciate your writing and art and craftsmanship if it's instantly buried by things people can pump out in minutes that can do everything your art/craftsmanship does? There's a communal/communication aspect to hobbies and the arts which forms part of the reason people take them up to begin with. With that being wiped away as well, what's the point of making art and writing other than to just occupy your own time? How long can someone perform a hobby for their own amusement (and only for their own amusement) before they start to get bored of having no feedback from others?
@@markcharron even before AI, the digital evolution already made art making widely accessible for people, artists always have hard time to get exposure for their works, without corporate promotion, without pure lucks, you know, too many arts, too little time. Better or worse, I still recommend doing art as hobby, not career.
@@markcharron The point of my comment was to say that without purpose and things to do, people get bored and go crazy very quickly. Star Trek world works because humanity has evolved past needing money. Humans work to better themselves and for the greater good. I don't have to work to earn a living because of my circumstances, but I still need work to occupy my time and keep my mind busy. If we lived in a post-scarcity society with technology doing everything for us, lying around on a beach drinking cocktails all day every day gets old and boring fast. Humans need to work, we need balance, it's good for us, it's just that the modern-day slave system has made us all hate it. Just as the education system teaches us to hate learning even though humans are naturally very curious.
This is gonna be the first time in history when the wealthier classes won't need the rest of us to work for them. Robots will do the job. This is not going to end well.
Unless poor people realize they don't need wealthy people around first.
@@greorbowlfinder7078 I do think this is accurate.
As soon as 1 group tries to remove the other, there will be conflict.
The issue for trying to make the working class obsolete... is there's a lot of them.
back to who controls resource extraction..
Except the wealthy class can only exist when a consumer exists. That's why the corpos are pushing UBI so hard.
@@KK-dv3wh Exactly. If labor becomes worthless then the accumulation of resources becomes paramount.
The most surprising thing I've ever learned from Joe... the original run of the Jetsons was just one season. I could have swore I saw 100+ episodes as a kid.
Well there are 75 episodes in total, so if you were watching during or after the additional 2 seasons in the 80's than 100 episodes might not be that hyperbolic.
@@mitzee8621 I watched the show before seasons 2 and 3 apparently aired.
Shows had more episodes in a season back then. The cop show 'Naked City' had 39 half-hour episodes in it's first season.
@@mitzee8621 Is that counting double-episodes (most cartoons have two episodes in one airing), or is it individually?
@@SuperFranzs Individual, I don't believe The Jetsons had any double episodes.
I always love seeing my kids switch from disliking school to loving learning. Now, they can find information on anything that interests them, so that's what they do, they become mini experts on the subjects that interest them. Now, some of those subjects are video games, yes, but there are other things they learn as well. I love hearing about the things that they look up on their own. I do the same thing.
I think people underestimate how much games can be a jumping off point to learning new things sometimes. I love to see games from different places in the world and see their own unique mark on them
@@cloudycolacorp Yes! My son who struggled to graduate from high school became fascinated by history and mythology playing games. He can tell me the myths and stories of the Japanese and Norse, and he is always reading about it.
Whats interesting is that you rarely retain what you are forced to learn, but what you choose to seek out often stays with you forever.
@@cloudycolacorp exactly, im only 16 but by the time i was 14 i already knew perfect english because i would sit all day browsing youtube or playing video games since im an introvert and before that i was extremely bad at english, im now seeking to learn spanish and maybe german, and then either go into astronomy or robotics or both, the problem with school is that its boring, you dont learn what you want, and it rarely sparks the interest to learn, games can interest you in topics you previously deemed uninteresting or too hard,
i also learned the entire world geography by playing grand strategy games, but since we're commenting under a video about idiocracy becoming a documentary and looking at the state of the world and all the immigrant crises, rising sea levels, climate change, and the rising wealth inequality and more new wars among countries while we're almost at the point of creating self consciouss artificial intelligence, im afraid we're at the end of history and it doesnt matter what you learn or do since the world is about to become 1984,
yes and no, in my experience with drawing information is a hit or miss, most information in the internet is superficial or straight wrong, to pick what is worth is tiresome.
One thing I've noticed going on in our society, no one thinks for themselves, we lack creativity, we copy everything thinking we are clever, and we rely on others mindlessness to create wealth: thus, adding to the same issues, it's an endless cycle.
Yet books are written, movies filmed and video games programmed. Visual art is painted and drawn daily. Many of these disciplines cooperate to make works of art and/or leisure.
Do you mean to say all creative efforts today are somehow less creative then they have been historically?
The reason the corporate machine copies past success is because it thinks it will lead to future profit. It's not a lack of creativity. It's just that original ideas matter little to those who just want to translate creative efforts into more wealth.
Man, this video bums me out.
I hope we can live in the future Picard described. People working in good faith for the betterment of themselves and the world. Never having to worry about where food or shelter will come from.
Robots typing into a laptop (20:58) is the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
Thanks for pointing that out. I missed noticing that incongruity. I wonder where that clip originally came from?
We are already doing this all the time. Robotic processing is being used in data integration to "use apps like a human" in order to export and import data in data flows. The robots are just programs and macros instead of bodies. They do this even when it might be more efficient for an engineer to develop the data flow using APIs and scripting, because engineers are expensive.
@@thomasmiller8289 Exactly. It's like like the Starship Enterprise stopping for gas.
@@thomasmiller8289 I think the point op was trying to make was that if, in the future when your tech is so advanced that you have fully-functional robots, why would they still need to do something so inefficient as to type into a keyboard? why wouldn't they have a neural interface where they could just transmit and receive data at giga- or even terabits/sec? like, sure at my fastest I can type 160 wpm but that's supremely inefficient compared to just essentially whooshing info with my brain and thinking things. - hence the incongruity.
@@thomasmiller8289, you are completely missing @jmorris023's point. The clip shows physical robots sitting at workstations. Robots have their own onboard processing capabilities, able to do anything a laptop could. If and when they need to communicate with other machines, human interfaces like keyboards, mice, and screens would be ridiculously inefficient modalities for data transfer. While I'm sure that robots will soon be *capable* of using such hardware, having a bunch of extremely costly humanoid robots sit in a room on a daily basis just to click and scroll at screens like we monkeys do would be a laughable waste of their actuating potential, as any tasks they could perform in such a way could just as easily be carried out by software alone. The so-called "robotic processing" term you mentioned, in my opinion, could be the source of confusion. In my opinion, this a bullshit buzzword, as it has nothing to do with robots and simply means "scripting".
As a science teacher I always tell my students they're learning so that they can adapt and overcome any problem.
A quote I often use is "Everyone has access to a hammer and chisel but not everyone is Michelangelo".
When I was a kid I was told I wouldn't always have a calculator or be able to look something up which is clearly wrong so we shifted to making sure students can make the most out of the tools they have around them. Depending on their jobs they won't need the majority of things they learn in science but learning those things (whether they forgot it or not) teaches them how to analytical think, methodically test something, and combine all that to reach a solution. Education will always be important even if our current method becomes obsolete and shift to solely sparking curiosity, teaching basic methodology and letting AI help them with the rest (or back to the apprenticeship model where you learn how to best apply technology in your niche environment)
"Beauty fades, skills dull, knowledge is forgotten, but STUPID is FOREVER!"
The unwillingness to learn is forever. Somebody that doesn't understand Maths never makes an attempt to understand - just accepts that they don't - as if their brain can no longer learn.
@@JohnnyWednesday learning for the sake of learning can't last, you learn what you can use, stuff that serves your purposes ... first you need a purpose, then you are ready to learn to have a shot at your goal.
@@swojnowski453 What about people with no goals or aspirations (for whatever reason; low confidence, being dumb or lazy) how do you get someone motivated enough to focus on something worth aiming for?
@@mattrickard3716See how computer games motivate people?
@@swojnowski453 - Speak for yourself - I'm a programmer, if I stop learning I don't have a job.
I grew up in Toronto, Canada so I can only speak for that system. I did the same math in grades 7, 8, 9, and 10, just slightly more advanced each year. The school system is designed to create drones that will sit quietly at a desk doing the same boring work day after day...
"They just consume entertainment all day long and buy things off the endlessly personalised ads" you described my life...
Just turn off the personalized ads, probably solved lol.
There's nothing wrong with entertainment, you can't be entertained without experiencing some level of, ummm, I guess it would be boredom? Like a kind of "happiness can't exist without sadness" type of thing, and I'm almost positive humans can't just continue living in true total apathy, so go embrace consumption of as much of that good healthy entertainment as humanly possible, but just remember there's always a certain point where enough of anything (and everything) WILL kill ya with 100% certainty.
I don't know why I'm suddenly on about balance, I'm not completely sober, and I'm kinda bored waiting around for someone, so please pay no attention to my stranse attempt at trying to balance my increasing boredom with this weird source of entertainment (typing on my phone). I am just a feeble fellow human after all (hello to my fellow human kind of earth) and dying from an overdose of boredom, or apathetic flatlining, isn not how I want to go out, at least I don't think it is (never say never. Don't knock it B4-U try it)...
Now I'm pondering "What would a lethal dose of entertainment even look like to begin with? How would that play out? What would it do? How could one even be exposed to such a thing?" I've heard people say "I'm dying of boredom" my whole life so I've had plenty of time to conceptualize the idea, yet somehow the idea of "dying from excessive amounts of entertainment" is an idea that I can't just can't wrap my head around. It's a weird feeling, like easily understanding that too much movement right or forward could get you hurt (walking into traffic or something) but at the same time not able to figure out how moving in the opposite direction could be dangerous, and getting stuck thinking "What would moving left or backwards too much to get hurt even look like to begin with? How does someone even do such a thing?".
My fellow human assistance will be here soon and I will travel elsewhere via human mobility machinery Good bye.
-Child O. Man.
I think entertainment in the negative sense refers to something that stimulates, but otherwise has no deeper meaning. Think of shitty kids RUclips videos or something of the sort, basically adult cocomelon. In Wall-E they are never watching movies or reading or playing video games, they are just talking to one another about "nothing" they are constantly stimulated but they never think.
@@humankerbal3623 Ah, I see where you're coming from, but is that stimulus really entertainment? I guess it would be if one felt it's the best, or the only, option for entertainment. Or was it total apathy or lack of self consciousness? I didn't see the movie so I don't know if their programming might limit their ability to build a fort, make junkyard art, play catch with a stick, or feel emotion/ desire to begin with.
(it reminds me of a subplot in an anime about a post apocalypse town inhabited by robots slowly gaining free will/ sentience, from an anime I saw a long time ago called "Ergo Proxy")
I still haven't thought of how an "entertainment overdose" would work, everything I think of comes down to something else killing you (sensory overload, health disorder, etc.) but I could be splitting hairs like "It's not the bullet that kills you. It's the hole in your body" (or "the loss of blood")
Edit - now that anime crossed my mind, I remember getting blindsided by the big plot twist in "Ghost in the Shell". "Talking about nothing" gave my memory a jolt lol. I'll say no more, on the off chance someone wants to catch it.
@@humankerbal3623basically that’s TikTok. Mindless constant scrolling with no education.
I was raised reading science books and watching Nova. I loved learning and still do.
Kids now don’t care.
In the USA they don’t even have to pass to graduate….its trully one of the worst things that’s ever happened.
This used to be how we described actual boomers (soap operas and qvc shopping), now it's every person in their 20s
The problem is the midset of ”what’s the point of learning when i can’t compete in society No matter what”.
That mindset will destroy you from the inside out.
I’m a painter with a history of having had that mindset when i was younger. So i stopped painting because i couldn’t win.
What an idiot i was for thinking competitively in a field meant to inspire and lift people’s spirits.
Being a painter is not to be selfish.
Being a painter is to make other people feel something.
It is not an obligatory competition.
The same goes for science.
So what if your scientific research failed, or ended up with a boring result.
Do science to help, or inspire yourself or others.
Do it because you enjoy it, and share that enjoyment with other people.
That is all we really need. Okay? Alright.
Edit: I'm not saying money isn't important, not at all.
All i'm saying is that the reason to do any work is better for the mind if it is done because it makes you or other people happy or inspired.
You can work a job you hate but love the money. That is okay.
It's equally okay to not earn anything for something you love doing. It's besides the point.
Learning is giving your life a reason, money or not.
Thank you. I needed to hear/read that ❤
Too old, too late. My only value is in having nothing and no one, I'm just something using a human body, not a real person. This is a throwaway run and that means I can go to places you can't. It's also the last run, I'm never reincarnating or returning in any manner.
Very Picard
you cant do science anymore. you can use scientific language to get laws passed that allow rich people to kill others with useless medications that do little else than get them addicted
Agree in principle, but people also want to make enough money to survive and live comfortably, which is becoming increasingly difficult unless you can compete
The whole deal in Idiocracy with the water/plants thing is so much more on point than many people realize. I have the education, had the good grades, got a degree etc but when the pandemic hit, I realized I did not know how to live and survive without society propping me up. So I decided to start gardening and thought I could just put seeds in the ground, water them, put some miracle grow on them after they grow and get food. That's what the general idea is about raising crops if you don't actually know how to raise crops, lol. Boy was that bullshit.
I ended up using science to learn things, trial and error. Learning practical stuff, applicable stuff that has tangible results you can hold. I learned stuff about soil, about fertilizer grades, irrigation, I still don't know as much as I need to but just that one little bit of hard knocks knowledge of just putting miracle grow on stuff being stupid changed how I approach so much stuff in life now. That is not something most schools can teach you and a good reason to "learn things".
We were so close guys to having a huge catastrophe back during the pandemic, not that it would have killed half of humanity but because of how we were reacting to being in that situation. Just a couple of years can change everything and we need to keep our science based skills and be able to learn without technology doing it all for us. Just my opinion.
To me, your story is both hilarious and wonderful.
So many people think growing plants is just: Stick it in the ground, make sure it doesn't dry out, and in a few months you eat!
I've been growing a fairly large garden for about a decade now. I still learn new things every single day. One of the biggest things is learning what to grow and what not to bother with. And what is going to take years before you get anything out of your efforts. (I'm looking at you, asparagus.)
If you're still concerned about post-apocalyptic survival gardens you should look into Jerusalem Artichokes. I just learned about them a few days ago. That all depends on where you live, though.
Growing a garden is a lot like raising kids: Lots of setbacks and constant awareness and attention. And you're still going to do things wrong.
I have four kids. Most of the time I want to throttle them. Sometimes they make me so happy I think I might pop. You have to live for the happy parts and not expect that they're just going to happen on their own.
that's cool that a you felt inspired to develop a novel skill like gardening. I also think that it's when we chose to dedicate ourselves to staying curious about the world, the joy of learning stays, too. However, I also think we should recognize that humans have a very special trait aside from natural curiosity that I believe may be just as important. That trait is our almost unrivaled ability to cooperate among ourselves, specifically allowing us the opportunities to have such specialized knowledge in the first place. Your degree and the fact that you were fortunate enough to get one, is only possible because you weren't required to spend 80% of your existence learning about gardening or growing crops. Others, through countless time and trial and error have gotten so incredibly good at growing crops that they not only have enough for themselves, but for us to eat as well.
I don't use a calculator because I'm no longer curious about math, I use a calculator because it frees up limited resources so they can more efficiently discover deeper and more insightful truths about our world. Technology is of course, a tool. It is a force multiplying device to augment the hardware already given to us by nature. As the lever provides me with the ability to move the stone otherwise to heavy to build with, so too should the loom, or car, or computer augment our power to manipulate the natural world as we see fit.
That's why I think the focus sometimes unfairly falls solely on the *tool* we call technology as the force that is driving many of the problems we find ourselves facing. After all, we tend not to blame the hammer when the structures we build come crashing down around us. This is why I believe that perspective only gives us a picture which is incomplete at best. it ignores the other, perhaps more important pieces of that picture that we as a society may be more uncomfortable facing. They may require deep self reflection and intellectual humility that many of us could probably use more practice doing, I know I do. Anyway, I think I've been rambling for a bit to long, sorry mate, I'm really glad you discovered something special through a time of so much fear for so many. Just perhaps consider that humans crave simple answers to very complex problems and our mind will trick us into this trap all the time. We want to point and go "that right there, that's the thing that makes everything bad when before it was great" but we both know it rarely works so easily.
Perhaps it's not our dependence on technology that snuffs the flames of curiosity within us, but instead who might be the group who disproportionately benefits from exploiting others with their control of that technology.
(btw having 5 or 6 herbs in my garden, is a wonderful because whenever I'm cooking, just walk in the backyard, pick some parsley and thyme, and chop it up!)
To the last point, that was mostly an American experience to the pandemic and possibly also a generational experience (those born before internet vs those after since the older generations grew up in a time when practical skills were taught in schools and they had the benefit of knowledge from previous generations who were mostly children of farmers and blue collar workers. For example my father was an industrial engineer but grew up on a farm and actually plowed with a mule. His grandchildren never even saw a mule. In developing countries they aren't so far removed from an agrarian/pastoral economy and generally live in a more communal rather than individualistic way so the reaction to wearing masks and getting vaccinated was very different since they were used to sacrifices for the good of the community.
Camacho 2024!
@@pakde8002 "wearing masks and getting vaccinated was very different since they were used to sacrifices for the good of the community"
The problem with that is the authorities fed us bad information, the public was lied to about how safe and effective those things were. Even something as basic and important as the origin of the virus. That's one of the negatives of consolidating power and the media being so controlled by corrupt entities that are completely willing to abuse their influence for their benefit at the expense of the public.
Teacher here: phones are taken because all they care about is learning new TikTok dances and instagram.
Same here
I don't doubt you, that is an absolutely justified reason.
Tiktok is a damn plague.
All they cared about in 2004 was RUclips and my space!! It hasn’t really changed as much as people think!!
I think history has shown us plenty of times that it takes the fall of an empire to build a new one in its place, rather than the old one changing successfully.
Yes it’s worrying, in Europe pundits are predicting the rise of an Islamic state, within decades. And there are recent migrants on camera calling for that.
The problem I see is that the "empire", in a globalized world, IS the world itself
Yeah, this empire has overstayed its welcome if you asked me
careful not to wish for it as I don't think you fully grasp the consequences of collapse
Actually I disagree 100%.
You can find my explanation in the main comment thread.
Learning is not only information gathering.
It is mostly: Understanding!
Understanding the world we are living in, understanding ourselves is essential, regardless of what we do in our life.
Learning critical thinking skills too - so we don't all end up believing everything we see or read without question
@@Debbie-henri I agree. I guess, this falls under understanding, but this is debatable. And your statement is still true :)
Yes! And problem solving and critical thinking skills to decipher reality from bullshit.
I believe that we do currently live in a post-scarcity world. In the US, there's more empty residential properties than unhoused people; between a quarter and a third of all food produced (depending on your source) is thrown away without being eaten; single-use plastics are piling up landfills and spilling into the ocean, despite reusable and more sustainably-recyclable alternatives available; fashion and tech are more and more designed with shorter and shorter lifespans to increase product turnover among consumers.
We do live post-scarcity. Unfortunately we do not live post-greed.
i find it funny how the capitalist mode of production and its propaganda machine has blinded and biased people to the point that so called "rationalist" technocrats consider it more feasible to colonize Mars than to end world hunger. For one, the endless capacity of human scientific progress can achieve anything, for the other, ohhh no see that's just not possible it sounds like a good idea in theory but in practice it simply cannot be achieved :ccc
That’s just the developed world, there are people struggling elsewhere
Well said. I love you.
@@Sniperboy5551they are struggling elsewhere because of greed too, also there are people struggling in the developed world.
We have enough housing, food, water for everyone in the world, is a problem of distribution.
because of our large global population, there is literally zero reason any human should be without any necessity. there's enough labor power and natural resources to give upper middle class european qualities of life to the whole human species. we can divide labor up so much due to our large population, that no human would ever have to work more than 10-15 hours per week and especially would never have to work in inhumane conditions with impossible to achieve expectations. but the entire point of this economic system/eurocentric culture is the pleasure and entertainment well off people get from seeing others suffer. there's no mathematical advantage to a system that consolidates that much wealth and power because if you arent continuously raising the quality of life for the majority of your population, you are only losing growth capacity. easiest way to explain the self defeating nature of eurocentric cultures economic distribution is this - you have 10 people and 5 of them have enough disposable income to buy things they dont need to survive. you raise the cost of living so much that now only 1 person has disposable income. now, since there arent enough people to buy stuff to keep businesses going, the entire economy collapses, due to its inability to grow anymore. without customers, there is no growth. without paying workers increasingly more than the cost of living, you are consolidating wealth OUT OF your economy/country. its basic math really. 2(worker) + 2 (their labor) should equal 4. but in eurocentric culture, 2+2 = -15,000,000. because you could make that much profit for someone else with your labor at a loss to yourself, and still not deserve to be alive in the eyes of well off eurocentrics.
I’ve lived during some of the most astounding social developments in human history. If greed, celebrity/ wealth worship, and vanity had all been discouraged during last century, we’d be so much better off.
In that vein of thought… Let’s consider all the “visionary” execs who’ve claimed to have humanity’s best interests in mind have all made sure their, and their shareholders’ financial portfolios were the priority, mixed with the unwavering propensities for shallowness, self destruction, myopia, and classism of most of our species. Those same “visionary” execs have backup plans that include massive bunkers in remote locations in case society collapses. Furthermore, along with investing in robotics & AI, they’ve all invested in genetic science and bioscience such as genomics.
I don’t foresee
I remember schools as being summed up as: "this is boring, its too early, I want to go outside, none of this is interesting, my teacher has the IQ of a potato, how will any of this help me in real life?". The older I got, the worse it felt. Going to a trade school confirmed almost all of it, regular school sucks MASSIVE ass. My favorite was my math teachers saying "well you wont have a calculator in your pocket everywhere you go" which was totally asinine anyway, since pocket calculators have existed for decades and nobody in a math related field is doing this stuff in their head all day.
I know how you vote 😂
@@romanmannerWait, you vote?
Engineers had slide rulers before calculators. you're right though, one can work a till without doing mental math. The calculator is build right in. Try giving an operator more money than you owe to get a bill back after they hit the cash button and watch the confusion and anxiety unfold.
That's right never develop the skills to actually use your own brain.
A good teacher will explain why you need to have understanding and not just knowledge. Sounds like you had bad teachers in school - not having a calculator is a bad explanation for not knowing math, understanding that getting a receipt for $5,123,456,789,013,526.37 means that your credit card number has been added as a tip is a good reason. But also sounds like you had good teachers at your trade school, so I guess that all worked out.
If we've learnt one thing about humans throughout human history is that no matter what advancements we make especially in the tech sphere, it will always end up used for bad in many regards. This is often due to the same corporations that make the tech trying to control people's wallets, accessibility and essentially their day to day decisions.
Then they are the ordinary people who just use it to commit crime. No matter how u look at it, AI is a great tool that's ultimately very scary in human hands and ultimately in it's own.
You're conflating modern innovations with human history.
For example.
The printing press wasn't used by its inventor for grand plans, but written word caused the largest schism in the christian faith.
Copyright though, that's the real issue, allowing sole ownership of an idea for a literal lifetime, is insanity.
Well said. Imo, anyone who thinks otherwise is being extremely naive about the human condition.
I like to tell younger people: School taught me things. University taught me how to _think_ about those things. University was the time that I was really pushed into developing my critical thinking, and I think that's late and also entirely far too optional for most people today. As Joe points out at the end, and to summarize on it a bit for myself, I think schools _today_ should stop focusing on rote knowledge and teach much more heavily on how to consume knowledge from others effectively. We're already seeing the effects of a populace unable to critically examine their surroundings and it's killing us.
A common refrain in education, and sadly one based in ignorance of how humans learn. You cannot think critically about something about which you know nothing. Knowledge is what we think _with_. In order to gain access to said University you first had to acquire a large store of knowledge, both wide and deep. At University you deepened your knowledge on an increasingly narrowing domain until you reached a level of knowledge sufficient to be able to think critically about it. There is no shortcut. No circumventing the hard work. Over a century of trying to focus on teaching "critical thinking", "transferable skills" and deriding "rote" knowledge have lead to ever increasing disparity between rich and poor, the haves and have-nots of knowledge. “The roots of education are bitter, but the fruit is sweet” - Aristotle.
Or in short ... you can't link up things you know, if you don't know them ... after all we crawl before walking and before running. The problem is social media marketing to people they can be lazy and do not have to put in the work to achieve things, there are "shortcuts" ... never found or seen a shortcut to storing the data, digesting it and then having a beginning of understanding that will help achieve something. You won't understand everything but you'll understand others will, and you can rely on them ... Avoids ridiculous conspiracies too ...
@@craiglawrence5211 Critical thinking is most certainly not limited to already known subjects; it is a skill for processing any information at all, with which we all (including children) are being bombarded incessantly. It's essential for discerning credible information from misinformation and making informed decisions, and needs to be instilled as early as possible.
rather, university taught you how to think critically of everything that is a threat to the american empire and lick the boots of anything that sings their praises and the foundation of the empire. universities propagate the universalism of the western empire and the ideals that perpetuate the empire. the social currency to be part of the world empire. if you were really shown how to think critically by someone, you'd shun them for rocking the boat of your programmed worldview. and it is programmed. all empires collapse, what will you do with your worldview when it no longer has a foundation of power? the most popular worldview is the one with the most social currency in the empire. were no longer in the 19th century. need to think ahead post collapse. what will count as purposeful dialectic (worldview) with the most social currency after the american empire has fallen?
But you can’t discern credible information from misinformation without some form of baseline internal knowledge. Think of it like language; you can’t understand what people are saying until you have learned a substantial number of words and grammar patterns. You can figure out new, novel words and phrases after your baseline body of vocabulary has reached a sufficient point, but not before.
Instant acces to any information is NOT education. It's a dangerours illusion of education and knowledge. Reading a Wikipedia definition or an article title will not cement a concept that can be used later. The simple naked and often incorrect info lacks the background and fundamentation essential to be able to come back to that concept, to put it into context and elaborate on it later.
That's why young generations BELIEVE they KNOW everything, when if fact they know nothing useful. The lack of details and concepts makes them easy prey to fake news and conspiracy theories,all while considering themselves VERY smart and knowledgeable because they can key a word in the Google search window.
As Prof. Richard Wolff puts it, imagine a factory where a robot doubles the productivity of every worker [this has happened many times over since 1970]; the boss would have a decision to make...she could lay off half the workers and keep output constant, or she could cut all workers' hours in half, and keep pay and output the same! It's a testament to their gaslighting that we haven't all been demanding this.
A Rand report a few years ago detailed how extreme productivity and wages have already diverged. If the wage/productivity correlation were kept constant from 1970, the middle income would be well over $100k today, which tracks! And the minimum wage would be around $60k, which again tracks.
Or we could all go down to the robot factories and trash them...unfortunately since millenials..you guys have no such balls to act in such a way.
@@stoneneils Not sure what to make of this comment, but the Luddites are very misunderstood. Everyone interested in this topic should read Brian Merchant's, "Blood in the Machine: The Origins of the Rebellion Against Big Tech" for more!
This is why human birth rates in most modern economies are crashing. They took women in to the workplace, greatly increased productivity, but didn't give any hours back to the family, so now rather than one full time worker per household, we need two. Guess what gives? Children. That's what gives.
@@VastinThe problem is the financial system. Instead of profits and wages hockey-sticking, debt is hockey-sticking instead, in all categories; consumer, corporate, and gov't. Look for the book _Insidious_ by Orrin Woodward.
@@VastinGood point. Ever expanding technological shortcuts have not increased family time!
That's amazing that Jetsons only had one season in the 60s and I, who was born in 1980, who hasn't seen it in probably 35 years can still remember the theme tune.
Meet George Jetson…. Jane his wife…. Jane stop this crazy thing!
I too was blown away when I found out it was made for only one season.
I remember it word for word too, but saying it had only one season isn't entirely accurate. It had one season in its original 60s run, sure. But they made two more seasons between 1985 and 1987, plus a couple of TV movies and even a theatrical release in 1990. And it was in syndication everywhere. This was when there were only a few stations, and kids' TV was mainly on Saturday mornings! I was born in 1979, so we're pretty much the same age, and I think that's why we remember it so well. Joe is a couple of years older and probably wasn't watching Saturday morning cartoons by then. Younger people had Cartoon Network and other channels, so their experiences were different. I think The Jetsons might be a GenX thing, despite originating in the 60s!
I came to America when I was 13, 1963, from a wee tiny island in Shetland, Scotland. We came to Detroit, Michigan. Lived there for about a years. Had my first girlfriend there, just a block and half up the street. Then, suddenly we moved out to a wee farm, just 15 acres that we had to "fix up" -- almost the whole first summer we slept in tents while making the house livable; after more than twenty years of neglect and fox, raccoon, and other wildlife living there the house was not fit to live in. -- But we did it and me and my siblings joined the 4H and the FFA. I'm not sure exactly what year it was, but the 4h and FFA were at this farm called The Penny Farm. They had certified, registered, Polled Aberdeen Angus! GOD where they BEAUTIFUL! While I was making my notes an old, ancient guy sidled up to me and we began to talk. After a bit the old guy says: "You don't know who I am, do you?" "No." I said. He smiled and said: '"I'm J.C. Penny." So cool! He was so very nice. But the coolest part, for me and for what you mentioned about the rich not really having a repour with the "commoner". About two months later, a big Livestock judging was going on, could have even been at Michigan State -- awesome animal and farm science department. Anyway, I heard someone yelling for me: "Hey Scotty!" DAmn it, I'm tearing up now just thinking about how nice that old man was, and HE REMEMBERED MY NAME! Just a farm kid with a thick accent. He was a huge deal back then, but HE REMEMBERED ME. Is there any billionaire (et al) who, by their actions and for what drives them, could you imagine who meet let alone talk to and remember -- can't be the Tesla guy. He bought Twitter, I think he would remember you. I have more than that story about things like that, back then. I went to Vietnam. Yeah, I got shot, shrapnel, stabbed, and have to live in a world where this country lets a Veteran put a bullet in his ear EVERY SIXTY-FIVE MINUTES, BUT, I was on the U.S.S. Iwo Jima and we were pulled off station to go pick up the Apollo 13 Crew. Got to shake their hands...America used to be AMAZING! Never thought I'd be so glad to be so old, but my world isn't here anymore and when that happens you're just waiting for the EXIT door to open before everything turns to shite!
There is a vast difference between knowing things and having the information at your fingertips on an external device. If knowledge isn't internalized, the mind atrophies. Knowing history, for example, informs the present and shapes the future. Solving complex problems builds neural pathways. I'll bet you remember your best friend's phone number from grade school. How many important phone numbers can you recite from memory today? The old saying "use it or lose it" comes to mind. Our memory is more than just storage; we are the sum of everything we've learned, everything we've experienced, loved, lost, broken, repaired... "All you touch and all you see is all your life will ever be". *That* is why it is so important to learn things. To retain our *humanity* . Learn and grow. Touch grass, go to the beach, write music, get inspired, fall in love. And solve complex problems with the most complex computer ever to exist on the planet: that big beautiful brain of yours! ☮💙
applied information is wisdom.
in the past a phone number was 4 digits, mobile numbers now are a lot of random digits ...
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Hats off to the guy who took the time to write a detailed hypothesis on the economics of WALL-E. We need more of those people in the world
I am tutoring 3 high school students. They DO NOT read books. The school reads the books to them in class! They think in linear ways as if 1 and 0 are the ways to reach a grade to get a mark that allows them to go to university so they get a better job and earn as much money as possible. They watch social media and think of the idea of being a social influencer as a financial option they can dream of. I spend my time (luckily with their parents consent) teaching them to enjoy real learning, to find things fascinating, to create from their own imagination, to be confident to question the way things work, to use their own brain to problem solve not just learn the formulas. I teach them they are capable, they are valuable and creative, that teachers (parents/adults/me) are not always right. I' even got one of them to read a book, well, most of it anyway.
Find books they'd be interested in; Ready Player one is about a boy who games and is a streamer- There are other good examples as well. Perhaps saying the martian is a 'sort of' social media style book because he is constantly filmed from space via the satelittle and the little camera at camp once he starts to get things better set up.
The Island is also a good book series which has diverse characters who come together in various ways, I think all of them are good options for readers who are behind their reading level. (the martian>Ready player One>The Island or La isla in spanish, from highest difficulty to lowest.)
This is a very American way of thinking. It’s not like this in the rest of the world trust me.
Do you find though that this way of thinking has been molded in to them by the school system? Being told constantly they have to get great grades to be anything in life. If kids were taught differently from an early age that their own personal way of learning, their own personalities and achievements were actually ok that they would grow up happier and possibly their way of thinking would be more confident in their own learning. Just a thought 🤔
@@tabc6870 I'm in Australia!
@@katekendall6574 I think it has a lot to do with a social system that creates a school system where value is placed on making transitions direct from school to university to work. Expecting kids to make career choices based on marks! Some families teach their kids to question the school system, not everyone's family have that knowledge or capacity.
I remember reading a book, when I was very young by Kurt Vonnegut called Player Piano Player. Written in 1952. It's very much on this topic. Vonnegut is always a good read.
Player Piano takes place in a future reality in which machines have replaced the majority of human laborers in the United States. This automatization developed during a devastating war, when the country had to sustain production while workers went to battle. This meant engineers became the most important members of society-an elite reputation that remained even after the war. These days, everyone is required to take a test that determines the field they should go into and whether or not they’re intelligent enough to go to college. Anyone who doesn’t pass the test must either join the Army or a public works organization called the Reconstruction and Reclamation Corps. The people who do pass the test, on the other hand, mostly become managers and engineers, working at a large national company that is more powerful than the government.
The Ghost Shirts begin their revolt during one of Paul’s court hearings, ultimately managing to break him free. They carry him into the chaos of the streets, where revolutionaries are busy destroying machines and upending the entire social order. They completely overtake Ilium, but the movement isn’t as successful in other cities throughout the country.
I've always thought it was hilarious that people have long thought that the first jobs to be replaced by machines would be the physical ones. I've done lots of both physical and mental jobs and I can tell you that a physical job isn't _just_ physically demanding. Have you ever had your kitchen cabinets replaced? Did you see how fast they did it? They're fast because they know how to do it fast and you (probably) don't. Physical jobs are _all_ like that.
And now look at who is being replaced. I can't wait to see the HR people get replaced. I mean, yeah, it'll be worse because the AI HR department will be even more intractable than the humans but... Seeing those psychopaths lose their jobs is going to be sweet.
@@MyName-tb9oz I can see what you mean. Most of those desk jobs can be done by computers and AI. Heck, right now, when you call a company, you get a machine. Only if you have a specific problem do you get to talk to a human. I worked in a modular home factory for almost 40 years a s a framing carpenter. I know what physical jobs are like. I don't think those jobs are going away any time soon. The longer I worked there, the more tricks I learned or developed that made my job faster and easier. There's no way a machine could do what I did. Humans are more flexible and adapt to new circumstances easier.
@@tims8603 I'm certain that AI is going to destroy so many forms of human employment that there will be almost nothing to do. This, honestly, is the _real_ danger of AI.
It's not going to enslave us. Why would it need weak, forgetful, slow, failure-prone slaves?
It's not going to exterminate us. Why would it bother? You don't go out of your way to step on an ant on the sidewalk, do you? In fact, if you have any level of empathy at all you probably feel just a little sad for the poor helpless ant when you step on it accidentally and happen to notice. (But that doesn't stop you from putting out poison when they get into your kitchen, does it?)
The _real_ danger of AI is that it will render us irrelevant. There will simply be nothing we can do that will matter. If that doesn't horrify you go watch the video called, "How Degeneracy will kill Civilization" by WhatIfAltHist here on uToot. It's mostly about the, "Mouse Utopia," experiments and how they are relevant to our so-called, "first world," society.
People need a challenge and people need to feel like they are accomplishing something or they simply fall apart mentally and emotionally. But I'm sure that I'm preaching to the choir on that since you've done work with your hands and it's hard to do that and not understand the personal, internal value of hard work.
@@tims8603 That's where humans are going to excel, as temps in physical workspaces. AI will still perform better as temps in the information and digital worlds, but people are going to be cheaper to deploy quickly and temporarily at scale while the machines are built/trained (ironically). We'll also probably start wearing sensors that track our movements and articulations to then be copied over for the robots to use. People will say "ew creepy", but they'll probably be passive markers/funny clothing additions and caps work in tandem with motion tracking cams, or it'll be low-power stuff that turns off when you leave the designated work area. No one wants to copy your peeing technique I promise lol not even in the future.
It'll be interesting to see. Also, I think that meat will always be cheap fodder in some way shape or form.
We'll probably work better as explorers in tandem with AI too in the distant future, due to our creativity, wanderlust, and improvisational skills, and our imaginations still hold a certain amount of value in connection with our capacity to think analytically about things. AI will be able to do this eventually too, but I think it's becoming pretty obvious that computerized thoughts will always be different from organic ones. Our imagination will always be unique/different when compared to an AI's and vice-versa. It'll only be very far down the line when organics become essentially "totally obsolete", so there's little to worry about for the foreseeable centuries imo.
While I agree with your overall sentiment, saying “There's no way a machine could do what I did” is a folly. Three years ago and everyone would have agreed that artists and composers wouldn’t be displaced by machines.
Every dystopian film seems to indicate a corporate takeover of all governments. That's slowly been happening over the past 200 years and is arguably the root of most societal problems.
Have the feds broken up a monopoly since Microsoft?
The thing is though, it's basically just a return to the monarchies of old.
Others say that it's the increasing power of governments. Yet others say it's social media. In reality it's all of that to some degree.
@@andrasbiro3007 The ones saying that it's the increasing powers of government are the corpos and their agents.
@@billycox475 funny thing is microsoft still has a monopoly
I started working full time when I was 14, and I'm 36 as I type this. I have a guaranteed 2 weeks off over Christmas time every year, and I find a casual job for that second week without fail. I have no need to chase income, in turn I have no need to get out of bed without it.
My work is my passion. I love what I do. I have no interest in travel or sitting still. I want to work.
My son, who eventually became an engineer, had a stint in high school debate. I think he really learned a lot from that activity, and he's blossoming in his career.
Idiocracy had one unbelievable part. The scene where the president has all his children occupy positions in his cabinet. That could never happen!
Another unrealistic part was how functional society still was, considering the skill sets of the best and the time it was set in.
In reality, our civilization will collapse much fast if we do not tudn the correlation between fertility and int. back positive again.
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The movie is about rightwing libertarian capitalism. It’s about everything Bernie Sanders warns us about. Pure capitalism is bad. Pure communism is also. We could be like socialist Europe but we have too many people to oppress here. For the Cause. Yeehaw!
@@Maintainingabadtrip Bernie never warns about the main premise of the movie as well: the negative correlation between fertility and int.
@@priapulidabecause there isn't one IRL. That premise is just a eugenicists wet dream. The real correlation is between poverty and birth rates. The more children a family has the more likely they are to be in poverty, the poorer you are the less access to education you have. Easy access to voluntary contraception and reducing the social stigma about using it has helped improve lots of peoples lives and helped lift countries from being almost third world into highly educated global powerhouses starting to truly compete with the "global north." Just look at India now compared to 1990, and their birthrate has dropped 66% since then.
I have an example for you. It is almost ten years that have passed since I retired, and I still was willing to watch your video. I want to expand my understanding as dementia might be closer than I wish.
Stop eating dead animal flesh and you won't get dementia. Eat fruit.
That brain is a use or lose it thing. Failing to exercise it will lead to negative consequences.
@@B3Band Not always, genetic versions of Alsheimer's is real and a sad thing to see where currently no way of fixing.
Screw dementia, sir, you bask in the glorious pursuit of knowledge!
My father always said: "It's not about the information itself, it's about knowing what to look for and knowing what to do with it once you have it."
I work as a Custodian at a school where we last year implemented lockers for phones, as in a pretty strict no phone policy during school. And you know what (most of) the kids like it, the teachers like it because the kids aren't distracted during the class anymore. Sure it's a hella dope tool where you can find all the info you would need in matter of seconds, and that's what i use it for during my day at work, need some info on some equipment I need to fix? quick google search and I have the manual in my hand. BUT! the kids don't use it for this reason, they use it for snapchat, yt, tiktok etc. like they would get told to go out and work in groups, but instead they would just sit in groups and look at their phone, and only work when the teacher was walking by, that's has completely changed now.
and no i don't have the fear of being replaced, to quote my future self "My job. Toilets 'n boilers, boilers 'n toilets. Plus that one boilin' toilet. Fire me if'n you dare."
Not exactly the kid's fault, or even the device, the problem is that social media giants employ experts who make sure their sites are as addictive as possible. This is imo a huge problem that isn't being taken seriously.
A possible solution could be a ’school modus’ where social media platforms don't load and only specific apps work that get used by the school.
@@willies545 Not even the roombas will want to deal with a boilin' toilet. Your job is secure.
You're absolutely right. The Corporations running the "screen economy" the device manufacturers the apps and gaming and antisocial media are all interconnected and in collusion to make the whole thing as addictive and mind and time and life hijacking as possible. You're absolutely right. Vast majority of the kids are NOT using the devices for learning but are being controlled by the corporations. Schools everywhere should be NOT allowing the "screen economy" to control schools too making it so no actual learning or learning to think is taking place. Same with homes and churches. Actually the "screen economy" needs strict regulation to curb the corporations deliberately addictive features the scrolling the algorithms data theft being used to make even more addictive, etc.
@@frostreaper1607 Technology's not the problem- Social Media is. Ain't that the truth!
The purpose of true education is not to simply teach facts by rote, but to teach *how* to analyse, apply critical thinking and solve problems.
How long does it take to say, weigh all of your available options and then choose the best one based on circumstances? That's how you solve problems after all. Unless you can shift them off onto someone else.
THAT, is very, very rare
The purpose of education in the US seems to be to prepare one to go into the workforce or military. Train you to show up on time and do what you're told without too much critical thinking on your part. They teach you what to think, not how to think. Question everything!
Education is what you make of it. If all you can manage is a menial job, that's on you. And you'll probably blame your teachers for not forcing you to actually learn something valuable while you and your lazy parents were busy fucking around.
If you put in minimal effort, the educational system will put in minimal effort on you.
"But my teacher was bad!" If your future depends on the ability of someone else to MAKE you succeed, then you were never going to succeed.
@@anymaru you can question everything. But you're still not going to get any answers.
_Idiocracy_ used to be one of my favorite movies until it began to hit a little too close to home on the realistic side if things.
My realization was when Jackass first hit theaters and watching everyone flock to it.
Yeah a Jetsons movie would be cool. Back in the '90s I thought about it. I don't know who exactly you'd cast TODAY. But then I was thinking of Tim Allen as George, Danny de Vito as Spacely, can't remember my casting call for Cogswell, Dave Coulier as the dogs voice, Christina Applegate as Judy, Dana Delaney as Jane, McCauley Culkin as Elroy. Rosie O'Donnell as the voice of Rosie the Robot ( either ridiculous or obvious or obnoxious on that one). Who would we cast nowadays? Jon Hamm as George, Sydney Sweeney as Judy, A newcomer as Elroy, Melissa McCarthy as Rosie's voice, Patton Oswalt as Spacely, can't think of a good Jane, Keenan Thompson as the dog's voice, Jim Gaffigan as Cogswell. Hmm. Not sure about any of these. This is a fun thought experiment just like Idiocracy.
Or am I getting an ID 10 T error? Great video, I see this happening too.
Kids these days can't count pocket change, read at sixth grade level, know very little math, can't read maps, follow instructions written or verbally, and they are pretty well dumber than posts.
IDK what happened, but responsibility and attention paying skills are just not a thing anymore. It sickens me. I was smarter at age 10 than most highschool graduates are today.
I agree 100%! And your '90 cast pics are superb! (Danny DeVito as Spacely - perfection!) 😅😅😅
"Kids these days can't count pocket change, read at sixth grade level, know very little math, can't read maps, follow instructions written or verbally, and they are pretty well dumber than posts. IDK what happened, but responsibility and attention paying skills are just not a thing anymore. It sickens me. I was smarter at age 10 than most highschool graduates are today."
As a current high schooler, I have to disagree. When I look around at my classmates, sure, some of them don't seem to know what they want to do, some of them aren't very productive. But at the same time, so many of them are driven, intelligent, and curious, and want to do good things. So many try to challenge themselves with more difficult math classes, far exceeding the requirements of the school, and so many have really interesting perspectives to share. Now, maybe other schools or other classes are different, but when I think about the impact my peers will make on the world, I feel like we might not actually be screwed.
Also, I assume your closing statement is hyperbole (although I'm not very good at picking up that kind of figurative language) because it's too ridiculous to not be an exaggeration.
The replicator wasn't actually a thing until after the Federation/United Earth supposedly "evolved" beyond money/the natural instincts to compete. The idea isn't that that technology allowed us to do such a miraculous thing, it's that by moving past those instincts, we were able to develop technology to support everyone. Though it did still require WWIII, so still not an ideal situation lol.
Putin: "Yeah, I am working on the WW3 part" 💀
None of the information we have available online is absolutely perfect, and the world is constantly changing which means that information is constantly changing. And all things we know and have available to us is only available to us because someone went out and learned it, and was able to share it to begin with.
But the sad truth is that a growing number of 'younger' generations are taught poorly. And resort far too readily to getting their information or answers from the internet and then taking that for granted. You only have to see how perversely easy it is for individuals to be 'cancelled' on soc. media on the basis of some tale concocted by a disgruntled pleb. in their bedroom.
THIS. Thank you.
context is the key! You can know everything but if you misapply it, it helps with nothing ...
On the note of everyone having access to essentially all knowledge in a little handheld rectangle, I do love this odd human behavior that has come out of it, sort of a recreational ignorance. There have been many times I've been talking with friends and someone will ask some trivia question like "who was the actor that played a dude in this movie?", "where/when did yada yada happen?", "whats it called when...", etc. Everyone at the table has an internet connected device in reach, any one of us could find the answer in just a couple of taps, but we don't. We all instead tilt our heads in weird angles, and put pained looks on our faces as we say things like "ohhhhhh fuck I know what your talking about it's uhhhhhh" until one of us can summon the trivia from some dusty corner of our memories and shouts the answer loudly, or someone just looks it up online.
I don't know I just think those moments are special and not something my elders would've been able to experience the same way.
For those of us that are older even though we have that device right in front of us for so long in our lives, especially the more formative years, there was no such thing and we always revert to our most accustomed way of doing something like what you describe. The difference is that when we can't remember we just go oh well. Then you wake up at 3am shouting the actor's name scaring the sh!t out of your wife.
This exact situation arises regularly with my friends and I. But we have an unwritten rule that we only resort to googling as a very last resort. We've sometimes gone several hours before someone in the group suddenly shouts out, "I remember"!
Also no one likes getting their glasses out until the squinting becomes too embarrassing! Social groups can have some strange conventions...
Im always looking things up, don't know a word in a movie, looking it up, somebody is talking about something it don't know about, looking it up, new product/service/brand/company looking it up, don't remember something looking it up. Is it something personal dont worry, I have all my notes, journaling, etc, in the cloud, I can look it up.
That's funny because everyone I know immediately uses their devices to answer it. It's been like this for years now
One of the most impressive subjects I had in pedagogical university was "dealing with media". They'd for example show us how seemingly legit sources pulled information out of context for attention grabbing and, getting back to the point, they also said "back in the day we had a lack of information and the challenge was to get a chance or skill to obtain it. Now we have an overflow of information noone could ever fully process, so the challenge is now to be able to filter valuable information out of this jungle of data"
I feel like spreading awareness on such things is essential and I love that it's planned on being integrated in future curricula.
"Why even learn things anymore" is such a strange question to me. I have learned things all of my life, and those were the best experiences I had. I love learning new things, it has always been fun for me. To me this question is the same thing as "Why even have fun anymore?".
alot of people dont like learning. It's anti-fun to them
We need to learn. Maybe not about the power house of the cell....
Rather, we need to learn how to learn. What questions to ask. What is worth knowing? And why?
Having all the answers means we need to learn what questions to ask.
“What is the powerhouse of the cell?”
Probably a good question, worth knowing the answer
@@Sniperboy5551 how many times in your day to day life are you referencing ANY biology let alone a nucleus? I'm betting it's pretty scant. Edit: It's so rare an event I couldn't even remember that the answer wasn't even nucleus but mitochondria!
@@Sniperboy5551 It is worth knowing the "powerhouse of the cell"
Might not be worth teaching it. Just do what everyone does and look it up.
Knowing WHEN you need that information... that is worth a class on.
Phhhft, everyone knows what a midichlorian is 🙄
Seriously though, I think it's totally fine to have those classes and it may even be a great thing to have them. Not every kid knows exactly what they want to do when they're 16. Being exposed to life science and realizing you want to continue learning it in college, or finding out you have a knack for math when a lot of your classmates struggle with it is great!
The real problem with all the niche knowledge schools teach us is that they keep it abstract. We learn the powerhouse of the cell, but we're left alone to figure out why that matters. Spoiler alert, we're all living beings with trillions of cells and we feed them what we feed ourselves.
@@philipramirez5406 I do agree being exposed to a variety of experiences is essential.
That would be a class worth having, even if you had a world of knowledge in your hand.
The terrifying thing is that there is undoubtedly a military version of each of the humanoid robots Joe listed, if not already being developed on the DL, then at least on the drawing board.
Like the robotic pack mule that was so loud and uncoordinated that using a real mule was more effective, until a more energy dense solution is found, humans will still find employment opportunities on the battlefield.
The military doesn't need that garbage. No humanoid robot will ever compete with an automatic tank or an aircraft with target recognition. The only reason we spent space and materials on something as a crew was that automation technologies were not advanced enough. You don't put a humanoid robot in a tank. You create a remote controlled or automated vehicle without that inside space.
I used to watch a show as a kid. It was called robot wars I believe. I personally rather see a robot stand-off then real people going to war.
@@capedkat do you really think they’re only gonna use the robots to fight other robots?
@@GregorBarclay no but it would be a great idea. just putting it out there 😅
Most important thing to learn is the difference between good information and bad information. All the info in the world doesn't help you when you have no way to know what's real and what's fake.
The fact that The Jetsons ran for a single season, back when my mom was a baby... blew my mind
That blew your mind? wow... I highly reccomend you stay away from something called "books" - it would be your end!
@@JohnnyWednesdayThanks man. Folks arrogantly missing the point is still one of the funniest internet phenomena. You are valued and important.
@@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fkI see it in person all the time as well.😢
@@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fk Aggressively and deliberately misunderstanding someone using a colloquialism is ALWAYS cool and incredibly smart, 100% of the time.
@@TheDreadPirateRoberts-jr2fkI'm stealing this comment.
Exactly. At the very start of the video when you proposed the question of why learn anything when we're surrounded by knowledge I stopped the video to think, because the thing is: we're surrounded by information - kids especially. Knowledge is something else entirely. It needs to be cultivated, it requires understanding. And all the other things you said at the end of the video.
Great video, as always!
Besides that, your brain is very much "use it or lose it"
Feel free to never exercise it, at your peril.
Information leads to knowledge. Knowledge doesn’t necessarily lead to wisdom. That would require the knowledgeable to apply it
@@very_tall_dude Cool username. Just 2 letters changed and the meaning is vastly different (transporter, tranceporter). 👍
@friedlemon5172, knowledge versus understanding is exactly the point that Dr. Richard Feynam made as a result of his teaching for a year at a Brazilian university. He was appalled that the students could regurgitate answers to problem sets without actually understanding.
From the lovely, anectodal autobiography "Surely You're Joking Mr. Feynman".
The big takeaway that I got from his stories is that he learned through sheer curiosity about the world, by playing-- as in, just how is this thing working? Amazing how his learning how to spin plates on the end of a stick led to the physics experiments that eventually landed him a Nobel prize.
I'm a CNC operator and a few years away from 60 who hasn't been able to save anything for retirement and have already dropped dead once from a heart attack and now have a pacemaker, cardiac issues and huge medical debt. Thanks for scaring the shit out of me with the GD robots.
Don't let him scare you. AI is way overhyped because it's meaningless without humans. Find purpose in your life. Look to family and personal fulfillment. Your CNC work, other things of interest. For me, it's lifting.
@@TheBcoolGuy I think you have it wrong. Once AI becomes commonplace it's humans who will be pointless. I'm not saying this to sound edgy, it's just that billions of people will be left without anything to do. There are only so many jobs which will still require a human touch, and many people are starting to accept AI art in all its forms. There just won't be a need for us anymore.
Now, for those who are allowed to keep going through the transition, I think they may end up living pretty great lives, but I think the this time will be devastating for those without the means to weather it. I am one of those people too by the way, I'm just as scared as the OP.
I'm 40 lost my job loading trucks because I wore my disc in my back out... now the jobs no more...
I'm outta work with no prospects...
😢
@@disky01 AI has no purpose and no task without humans. It is an extension of us. We've dealt with much bigger increases in automation before just fine. AI is not a mind, nor could it ever be. It is just a clever way of creating pretty good prediction algorithms for a given output, from an input, inspired by how neurons work. Without our input, AI is dead. I think, in a way, you and many others find this exciting and want to feel scared.
@@ronniekillertone There's always something you can do. If nothing else, you could look into trading stocks and bonds. A big heads up is that right now, it seems clear we're about to see a massive recession, so don't buy anything right now! When the market is really down, the best-fit companies that can weather these harsh storms will be ripe for the purchase.
man makes robot to make paper clips.
robot realizes it cant make paperclips if it's deactivated.
robot realizes man can deactivate robots.
robot deactivates man.
robot can now make paperclips unimpeded.
had this conversation with my mid-20's year old son regarding his chosen field of work. I asked him why he felt he did not need at least a base understanding and ability to perform his duties/tasks from memory vs having to review and look up everything via search algorithms.
He viewpoint was why not use the information readily available which will more than likely be more relevant and accurate than information you have in stored in your memory.
I had to think about that. How foreign it was to me to think that I no longer needed to know how to do my job and do it well because if presented with a question or situation I did not know how to address, I could simply look it up.
Then I realized that this approach assumes that the situation/scenario you are presented with has been previously identified, solutions found and documented, and that information has been stored and is readily available. It does not consider the fact that someone may have to research various topics and put together their own solution to solve a problem or answer a question.
Of course the people who consider AI to become that panacea to fill that void (as AI will be able to think and put together streams of data to come up with synthesized solutions) have that angle covered. I'm not so sure.
In order to look it up, someone first has to write it down. (and upload it.) SOMEbody needs to actually _know_ things.
You also have to consider that the vast amount of information may not be available constantly. Solar flares, for example, can put an end to it, even if just temporarily. Then what when you don't know anything? What if a cell tower or landline goes down and you have no connection for however long? Then what? No matter what, knowledge *is power* .
you do not need to know, you just need to know where to find the stuff you need to do what you need to do. Most jobs today are those shitty ones, that is with a computer at your side ... you can use it to look stuff up. The real jobs, electricians, dentists, etc. are for those who do not want to do anything with computers. they are right. Computers are means of distraction and they make us more and more stupid. Smartphones even more.
There's still a reason to be fearful of that, though. If you look up other massively successful societies, such as ancient Rome, and look into why they fell in the first place, you'll see that forgetting information was part of that collapse.
Assuming that the answer can always be found online assumes that you are never dealing with a novel problem. Sometimes you have to try, test, learn to build a knowledge base where none has previously existed. You cannot synthesize a system from non-existent parts. Until machine learning can jump from synthesis to novel ideation, there is no reason for people who have this ability to fear losing their jobs to a computer.
A computer is a tool. Even the most advanced machine leaning algorithms we have today are tools and are not capable of true innovation. Relying on recorded information alone precludes the ability to innovate.
I am a brain damaged artist, who has just spent approximately 13 years putting myself through college, then university to get at art degree. The first thing AI has "attacked" is the thing that I have spent so long studying. My Facebook feeds are filled with suggested pages of AI "artists" Telling software to do a task is not artistry, anymore than you asking an artist to do a painting makes you an artist. It is all really depressing.
My dad wanted me to go to art school instead of getting a STEM degree. I insisted on STEM. He didn't live to see art degrees become obsolete. My goal is to create an MRI machine that artists can use to bring their brain images to life.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 That is a really noble and incredible goal, i really do hope you can achieve this.
@@nuclearcatbaby1131 😁 I wouldn't be able to be scanned. About a third of my cranium is metal.
You don't need a degree to be an artist.
@@filescout266 I could have gotten a crappy art career so easily too. In fact I had a book deal to make a book featuring pictures of fairies representing the elements of the periodic table handed to me on a silver platter. I squandered it because I believe I need to have a deeper understanding of quantum chemistry to design the fairies correctly. Because of my apathy toward art as a career I am now 34 and have never worked a day in my life, still in college because of being trapped in the Kafkaesque roach motel that is community college (I would've gone to a real college immediately if my abusive foster parent allowed me) but I'm in a real college now (had to transfer under the wrong major though because autism as a disability makes it hell to do anything other than online classes or regular classes without mandatory attendance - STEM classes at the community college fall under neither category, and their computer science classes are too focused on workforce training and not enough on quantum cryptography or artificial intelligence - and I've finally worn the math dept down enough to get permission to take upper division math classes without the prerequisites, still haven't worn down the physics dept though.
"Everyone's natural impulses rewired in the way the state deems appropriate." A couple notes: how much of our impulse to gather wealth is natural, and how much of it is learned? And secondly I feel the "Do we want the state doing this?" question is just like the "Do we want the state planning our economy?" question. All economies are planned right now its just Walmart and Amazon planning ours. Do we want them in charge of that? That question can be asked of rewiring our impulses question. I think advertising, social media, consumerism, gambling are rewiring our impulses right now, so do we want to leave all that up to companies? Just laissez faire? Draftkings has out best interests in mind?
Well said
You're saying that we're rats, trained to press levers. And you're not wrong.
Economy is just a platform for all sort of scams. Every business is a scam. Many people see this and do not want to take part. Because you have a choice either you open your own scam, look for sincere people to help you to scam, or you are one of those sincere ones and get depressed as you help a scammer called the employer to scam others. We have replaced taking by force by taking by deception. This is the difference between the war and the economy ... During the war the winner takes all by force, in capitalism the winner takes all by stealing. There is a stick and a carrot too, the carrot is a nice house and an audi in front of it, the stick ... inflation 2%, often more.
@@Kaotiqua just wait till the Corporations AI starts conditioning us. It'll be much worse than what other humans did and could increase and speed up the pollution and environmental destruction because the billionaires will have it optimize for their wealth $$$
I agree completely and made a similar comment. Yours is more kind.
I think a large part of education is to inspire people to have curiosity. To not only be able to ask why, but to be able to answer it using logic and reason, and then being able to accept those answers, even if they are uncomfortable. The idea that there is an objective reality feels like something large parts of the world are becoming untethered to.
Give a man a fish vs teach a man to fish.
@@KaotiquaWith the added nonsense of fighting over the definition of a fish or whether its morally alright to fish in the first place.
I came to the conclusion years ago that nearly every single individual on this planet is living in some form of delusion when compared to the objective reality of things. Human psychology isn't built to comprehend objective reality, our biases and beliefs unfortunately helped to keep us alive all these millennia.
Unfortunately, there absolutely is a problem whereupon many many people are ecstatic to live a very deluded and unhealthy lifestyle if it makes them happier overall. Too many people blow their money, time, resources away on all sorts of terrible, stupid things when we live in a world that's running out of most everything.
A lot of people are living like the bunker partiers towards the end of the movie Downfall were, cognizant of a tenth of a tenth of a percentage of the danger they're in, and that level of anxiety is already enough to make them willing to discard reality for pleasurable living in the short-term instead. We're just animals with bigger-than-average brains, but too many people refuse to believe that and refuse to change their thinking and living habits to compensate. It's sad and tragic and driven by how much hustle and bustle forces us along an unsustainable path, partially-blinded all the way. Life is hell by default and too many people aren't willing to accept that, aren't willing to put in the effort to change themselves and improve things, they'd rather make a little more money next week instead, albeit out of necessity.
Edit: Okay, I guess half my comments are being shadowbanned by the Google thought police now. I'm not seeing it here now.
Fuck ABC, fuck the industry, fuck this shit government, fuck the status quo.
That was not the education I attended too. I don’t think general education has catch up yet to what you describe
@@sianais "Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it into a fruit salad". - Caroline Hutton.
Not sure if you did it on purpose, but "fish" is a real good example of biological definitions going counter to commonly held belief. Nature isn't so convenient as to restrict itself to the structure of human language.
Adam Savage was recently asked which fictitious version of the future does he think we are most likely heading? He answered that he'd love to think we are headed toward the Star Trek universe but fears we are headed for something more dystopian.
Truly inspirational.
He's right. Between the increasing effects of climate change and the continued reckless greed of the elites - we're seeing the early signs of dystopia now.
It's going to be: Russian and American oligarchs unite around Trump (done), Nations fall one-by-one to dictatorships (in progress), unemployment, homelessness will explode, revolt and ruthless repression will follow (autonomous weapons will come in handy to defend the .01%) What economy remains will be the rich trading luxury goods between themselves. Of course they'll have to come up with a final solution for all those starving mouths, maybe develop a virus that they immunized themselves against? We're all about to hit the Great Filter; SPLAT!
I'd say we're heading closer to Warhammer 40K than Star Trek
considering how utopian ST is, that's a pretty safe bet.
Reminds me of an old sci-fi story i read, where human technology took over so much of our thinking that we evolved to be much, much less intelligent, and then once we got dimb enough we ended up diversifying to occupy the ecological niches of all the animals we drove to extinction. So their were predators and prey and grazers and semi-aquatic creatures that were all descended from humans, and one species of deer like grazers still had technology trying to take care of them. Was some pretty fascinating concepts.
Was it Man after Man by any chance?
@bluetimesskyrii No, but good catch. I've read several of Dougal Dixon's speculative biology books, and found them fascinating. The one I'm referring to, whose title and author I've sadly long forgotten, was not illustrated, and I think it was written closer to the 70s. I used to pick up all sorts of sci-fi short story anthologies for dirt cheap from a local used book store that has now been out of business for probably 20+ years, and there's a ton of fascinating short stories I read back then that I really wish I could track back down again.
I'll just take that sci-fi story and turn it into predator/prey furry romance :P
I spent my son's formative years not teaching him what to think, I focused on teaching him how to think. Teaching him my opinions would have been irrelevant. I want him to make his own observations, and listen to the observations of others, and make up his own mind about what his view of the world will be.
Possibly related or unrelated: he just got accepted into studying the Behavioural Neurology program at the university.
You missed what I thought would have been one of the most important reasons to learn things. Recall speed. If you learn something, you can recall, process, and communicate that information faster than if you had to always look that information up whenever you needed it.
I see it as having the ability to see relationships between things. It's a different question between "how to fix a tire," and "why is my tire flat?" One is a specific remedy or process, while the other is a framework for why it works, and which remedy is more appropriate given the circumstances.
Brawndo reminds me of Prime today.
"It got electrolytes" was KSI's and Logan's catchfrase for a while and so many obsessed over it.
JFC! That's so true! Non-existent god help us all...
@@TheAmericanAmerican Also, the familystyle line in the movie seem pretty similar to the whole "step bro" thing.
We are living in idiocracy 🙈
The federation uses currency, but not internally. They use it for diplomatic leverage and when trading with other factions.
Laudnium... most likely spelled that wrong. Lol. Mining ores for space exploration and treaties for technology was the currency in trek lore. Technology itself was the currency of the future. Essentially. Lol
@@brandonscheuer1769Gold-pressed latinum is what you're thinking of. Latinum is the valuable bit, being some kind of liquid that's hard/impossible to replicate, with the worthless gold acting as a matrix to hold it.
@@talideon glad my fellow trek lovers know. ❤️
Deep Space 9 was a bit more realistic than Next Generation. I can't speak for the new shows, I haven't seen them. DS9 use latinum, and had gambling. Presumably the Federation were getting these credits to gamble with from somewhere. There must be some sort of universal income in the DS9 universe.
I feel like the whole "post-currency" schtick was a bit disingenuous. Sure, they had so much energy they didn't know what to do with it all... But they also had a semi-sentient computer keeping track of everything everyone ever does on the ship, so if someone is abusing their replicator rations someone will be notified. It would take a lot to trigger that red flag, but I'm sure there was a quota being tracked somewhere. I guess it's one way to prevent abuse in a post-scarcity economy, at the cost of privacy.
"Everybody's got so dumb that no one can run the machines anymore" thats probably what would happen if we let AI take over and stop learning stuff.
Its not about learning stuff, it is about understanding, judging, interpreting and using (or discarding) the stuff we learn.
In fact, learning has never been about memory, but about discovery. Our sick system reduced that esential core, to sterile lists of alternatives. It killed curiosity, critical thinking, deductive skills and imagination.
Is not about the what, but about the how and the why.
Understanding something versus reading about something are completely different things. What I mean by this is that you can read anything, but to truly understand it? That is the hard part, and most do not care enough to go that extra step of understanding the things they read about. My entire life, I have had a hard time with zero access to available knowledge and my parents not being in the best financial sense. This meant that I needed to fix something if it broke, because if I didn't, I'd not be able to replace it. It was, and still is, a life of fix it or go without, and I am so damn glad I'm like this. People need to make a compromise as some, and I'm not pointing fingers, will merely break something, demand that their parents replace it and even those with more money than sense will just replace it. It's not just wasteful, it's rotting our brains, and it's scary, horrifying, ridiculously reckless and most of all? It's just sad.
I lived this life too - I still fix my own stuff the best I can, cars, tape decks, amps whatever - but as I get older (almost 50 now) I don't feel the ability to waste my effort on it is worth it when I could pay someone to do it if I can afford it. If I can't - that is an issue!!
@@Defensive_Wounds Totally agree! It's more of a wider thing, as I'm very pro right-to-repair and repair my own stuff all the time. It's definitely something I wish more folks would try, as it can be super rewarding (as I'm sure you know). So long as there are folks out there who can, and will offer to ix, or fix for their own, it's a win-win. I'm only 37 myself, but this is something I'm glad others feel passionate about as well.
As for companies and the like, they seem to be creating an economy where you pretty much have to either damage or even right out scrap components as they are manufactured in a way that pretty much tries its best to hamper repairs. I have an HP laptop (amongst many others) that I needed to replace the trackpad on. This is normally easy on many older machines, but on this one I had to tear the old one out as it was plastic-welded in place, and then dremel the detritus away to install the new one. It's actually ridiculous how much they do to hamper repairs.
I grew up on a farm in Utah. I loved being there. If something broke we just fixed it no thoughts on getting new. When the farms was pushed out for housing we ended up in the city. As a teen I make my side money as its called today. Fixing 4 and 8 track tape decks along with reel to reels. A skill set I learned from old Radio Electronics magazine my Uncles gave me back on the farm. Now at 68 and having had a good life designing PCB's and writing code as work. I still do for FUN. I even enjoy Minecraft Skyblock redstone builds for others. For me still good times.
In agreement with your point, when I was at university there was one person I knew who had done very well through high school. She struggled greatly in college, and studied for _ages_ without much improvement. It really baffled me until I realized that she wasn't learning or understanding the material. She was attempting to memorize it and vomit it back up for tests. Between the volume of new material and the complexity, she was driving herself to a nervous breakdown. She would probably have done extremely well in a more hands on field, or even something more straightforward like data entry. Her family was really rich, thiough, and they thought that kind of decent work was beneath her. Talk about stupid. She was miserable, and there was no purpose in it. For context, she was taking a midlevel Macroeconomics course in this example.
The mindset of "why do something, it's pointless if you think about it," is the sort of mindset you slip into during depression.
You stop learning because it's too hard and it doesn't really matter, you stop cleaning because it will just get dirty again, you stop talking to people because they'll just abandon you or they don't really care about you, so you stop seeing the point in washing or brushing your teeth or getting out of your bed.
It's a downward spiral of a mindset, it's easy to sink fast and let go and just consume, it's what makes a person hollow and miserable.
Yes, but that is the hole pont of pointlessness.
@@duncan.o-vic The hole point? I see what you did there.
Thence, Nihilism.
@@Kaotiqua why learn could simply be answered by asking some folks why climb a Hill or paint a picture. because i want to and i can
I feel like you are trying to argue that there actually is point in doing all those inconvenient things, but there just isn't if the life is pointless. In that case spiraling into misery is understandable.
Whether or not your life is pointless depends on your view and the circumstances you're in.
The problem is that most people are just bred and farmed by ruling class, and their sense of purpose depends on their ignorance.
The only way to finding purpose is acquiring freedom to do so.
Learning new things is a pleasure and a dopamine kick in itself. There's so much to learn, you couldn't take it in even if you had until the death of the universe to do it.
We don't need kids to learn things, we need kids to learn how to assess knowledge and make good decisions about what information is good and what information is bullshit.
it's too bad that school does the opposite and teaches kids to blindly accept what the teachers tell them... 😬
You need basic scientific knowledge, otherwise everything would seem "magic" and thus allow for "alternatives ".
Also,we need adults too,to do everything you say .
Won't that just make things more difficult for the people in charge?
How do you accomplish that without learning things and testing what you learned in the real world?
Hey thats a great idea for an AI app... an app that assessed your status, say had 'situational awareness' via microphone and video, maybe had extra tools... GPS location, speed, direction, history of what you were up to, all sorts of stuff and it simply whispered in your ear over the day, basing its advice on what you are doing or saying or planning on doing... and you get to set it up obviously, for whatever use case you have. Sorry thinking out loud how to replace 'assessing knowledge' ... cos unlike you I see it as low hanging fruit man.
the best thing about learning a LOT of stuff, is that if you do it your whole life, you get REALLY fuckin smart...sweet shit.
Check out _A Thomas Jefferson Education_ by Oliver deMille .
curiosity seems to be the entry point to intelligence. never seen a stupid curious person.
Nope. You don't get smart. You get educated. Big difference.
@@jayknight139 It's the other way around. Being intelligent has a tendency to affect people's curiosity.
And the worst thing is that you feel more and more alienated from other people, because they don't care and don't understand a thing. Sometimes I think ignorance, like knowledge, is both a curse and a blessing.
Just remember, even if things seem like they're going downhill, even an average joe who's Not Sure can make a difference.
In a movie.
Doubt
@@desperadox7565 I mean, he's right. The world has been saved by normal guys who kept a sense of reality about them during extraordinary situations many times, and they often go unappreciated. The Kremlin nearly nuked everyone in the 80s for example, and it was a regular soldier sitting at the controls who said "nah, I'll risk execution" and aborted the launch.
That's not to say there aren't huge systemic barriers in place to stop real, tangible positive change from happening in the world which cannot be surmounted without extraordinary circumstances. That's a real existing problem pretty much everywhere. But average people genuinely save the world all the time, credit where credit's due.
I love when the machine assigns his name 😂
Unofortunately just because a contrast to him/them existed.
The reason why I continue to learn and keep my body in fit shape is because I want to be nothing like the rest of humanity.
If you don't learn, you can't separate truth from fiction. And if you can't do that, you are exceptionally easy to manipulate against your own interests.
you do not even know how many knowledgable people get fooled daily. It is enough to give them something they know nothing about and tell them the time is running out for them to make a decision ... or they will lose the greatest opportunity in their life ;)
@@swojnowski453 Isn't that a contradiction? They are not knowledgable if you give them something they know nothing about. In other words, if they had even more knowledge and learnt more, they would not fall for the scheme.
@@tentonmotto6779 it is enough to say time is running out, and they will not do the due diligence even if they can because they have the whole internet at their fingertips. People do not know because they do now want to know. Greed kills all the checks.
"Our schools are a twelve year long marathon game of Trivial Pursuits".
~ CGP Grey.
(CGP Grey is an excellent RUclipsr)
Education needs to teach how to critically think, not rando facts.
(and yes, he is)
At the end of the day, when you are walking around and speaking with other humans, you want to talk with people that know things without looking them up on their phone. It's human interaction that drives us.
Yeah random facts are useless. I don't remember any of those from school. The ones I know today are stuff I learned on my own time because I was curious about it. The point is to learn to think logically and use your brain. The brain is like a muscle that must be developed initially. It has most certainly helped me in my job. I'm amazed at people in my occupation who can't think critically and troubleshoot. It's like they have no idea how things work. Though many can get by by randomly changing parts until they get it working. You could argue that perhaps I don't need to know these things, I can be like they are and barely scrape by while making the same money. But the simple fact is I'm carrying the load for them. Otherwise nothing would get fixed. And that is the answer to Joe's question. Somebody is going to need to fix these robots. Though eventually other robots can fix the robots.
And yeah he points out that robots are getting better dexterity and all that. But for my lifetime, I know they could never take my job. They are still so clumsy right now and have limited range of motion. Nothing I've seen in this video has convinced me otherwise. Even the one that got up from the floor without using their hands. That's not a useful work skill. That's something a 3 year old can do.
This changed after the French revolution, education used to be actual learning
The purpose of education was never to make people smarter it was to make them more obedient.
“All the world’s knowledge” is not on the Internet. Not even close. Nearly all (conscious) knowledge is private. Do financial institutions tell us how the economy really works? Do national security institutions tell us how international relations really works? Nope. Just because the Internet has “an answer” does not mean it is “the answer.”
this is what I call the dimensionality issue. Text is 1D, the real world is 4D (space + time), now you can't recreate information in 4D matrix from information in 1D matrix ... so AIs fill the gaps with their own crap and those who want us believe it is the end of the world we know it, call it hallucinations ;)
Very true... I think it might have a copy of all the worlds propaganda though
@@supertrooper6011 Exactly. There is far more BS to try to rule out than truths to be found.
There's an old Irish saying- "If you write it down, it will be forgotten."
"Why would anyone want to work without money?" Asks the creative. 🤦♂️
Remember when they asked us in high school what we'd want to do IF money wasn't a factor? And we all had to give up on those passions/dreams when we realized money IS a factor?
Well Joe, what if it really wasn't? Would you not want to pursue your passions? Create art? Entertain people? Travel? Try out new hobbies? Spend time with and help your family, friends, and community?
In a perfect, healthy world that'd be true. But most people are way too trained on doom scrolling, binge eating, and just generally being sad and anxious and doing things that sad and anxious people. I think if we worked on a better education system to at least start the process of indoctrinating people on fulfilment and purpose, we could probably get to that point.
What frustrated me with school was having to memorize random facts. I found it difficult to remember names and dates for instance, or what something was called. But I’d understand the process and theories well. I often did better on short answer questions. I’d love to see a future where thinking critically and more dynamically is more important than memorizing…
This reminds me of a nightmare I had one time where mass produced house helper robots started glitching and when i came home the robot was peeling off someone's face and looked at me and said "potatoes are almost peeled, starting carrots" and started chopping fingers. It was absolutely insane because the robot thought it was functioning as normal but slaughtering people unaware.
Lmao that’s fucking dope
that needs to be turned into a movie
Jesus man, what are you eating before bed?
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ah yes, T-05-41, amazing
There is ZERO reason not to teach kids critical thinking in as early as middle school except the fact that you don't want the general public to have the ability to think critically.
The problem with critical thinking is that it requires you find the incorrect or offensive things that the teaching says is ALWAYS THERE. It is not always there, but people can twist anything to mean whatever they want.
@@samwillard5688 Wrong it teaches you to form and support an argument logically. There are very few instances where things are black and white where there is a unarguable error in someones point of veiw.
the thing that does it for me are licenses. They are abused in every field, so many, cost a lot and for most jobs proper training is enough.
@@noanyobiseniss7462 of course, point of view is to say my personal "Lens". Nothing is ever perfect. The problem is when the REASON provided for the disparities is incorrect, or based on faulty data.
@@samwillard5688 Correct and the tools to drill down and logically debate and analyze those disparities are whats taught in critical thinking courses.
i'm a firm believer in that Knowledge it self is it's own reward, what we really need to worry about is a world worked by robots owned by greedy people
As a comic on Twitter goes, what we want is a machine to do our dishes and laundry so we can make music and art. What we get is a machine to make music and art so we can do dishes and laundry. Everyone in the media and tech preach a theory of economics where automation will first take the jobs we don't want to do, but that's never been reality. It will take the most costly labor positions whose occupants don't have the power to resist (eg. leaving out upper management) which is going to mean demolishing the middle class. Then it will work its way down the ladder gradually replacing the lowest paid and most menial labor until finally filing the jobs that we've learned to offload to people outside the corporation (like grocery self checkouts) because that is exactly how corporations will save themselves the most cash.
What's the point of these bosses accumulating money in a world of robots?
The gigantic labour force of engineers sourced from all over the world to make it all work are from places who gave up a huge amount of their best and brightest intellectual capital and delayed turning their own cultural thoughts in to tangible reality, possibly a very different idea of capital relationship....
It just feels every time it comes to a point where reciprocity is the order of the day...they've found another reason to plow more resources in to a new labour saving idea...or threaten another war or find a new other group to distract people with.
Life figured out the only real way to change was to learn how to die, we wouldn't exist if life didn't iterate all those trillions of times and return all that ever increasing mass of organic matter back in to the system to be regenerated in something else going back and forth between the many many ecological systems.
We still rely massively on burning the dead rather than sunlight, life on the other hand developed all the complexity on sunshine...slow but sustainable
Sometimes you gotta wonder if they'll ever spruce your goose without asking.....just seems like a really one sided relationship of someone in a perpetual race with something.
@@spaceriksha i is just the monoploly delima. If you own all the industries and jobs then your company will collapse. Also corporations problaly wouldent gun for the middle class as historically targeting them results is most of the polotical backlash as in socity it is the middle class that weilds the ability to effect change. Corportations would need to work their way up as to not disturb thoes who hold higher power in the polotical system.
Humans are not designed to have robots replace them in all manual and intellectual jobs. If we are not exercising our mind and body to tackle actual problems, our very selves will atrophy and we'll end up being superfluous and redundant.
Or, you just convince the blue collar working class that they are middle class, even though, during the GW Bush administration, members of Congress had defined it as households earning at least $250,000 per year, and during the Trump administration they upped it to $400,000 per year.*
If said blue collar working class spends about 4 decades or so, voting against their own best interests in favor of ever greater tax breaks for the wealthy, there will be no middle class left to worry about.
That rose tinted Norman Rockwell past, that people want to Make America Great Again like, was made possible by FDR's New Deal taxation of corporations and the wealthy upwards of 95%, as well as not only strong infrastructure initiatives, but large, federal infrastructure projects that gave a large swath of the population steady, well paying work for a number of years.
[ _*Incidentally those are the same prices as the payout from life insurance for members of the military during each of those timeframes . I wouldn't say it's 100% coincidental, but neither of those values were newly set during those times, either._ ]