LED night light with a USB charger (from Lidl)
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Today, let's take a look at a night light from Lidl supermarket. It's called just a night light, but it also has two 5V USB ports that can supply up to 2400mA (2.4A) in total. The night light can be switched on, off or to automatic (light sensor).
The mysterious 45R20 diode later turned out to be something completely unexpected! Let's see in another video...
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0:14 a usb chargeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrr
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When you read that in your head it has to be in DGW accent.
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As Tiago Ferreira pointed out in the comments, the "mysterions diode" actually is a synchronous rectifier IC called DK5V45R20.
Chinese datasheet here: datasheet.lcsc.com/szlcsc/Shenzhen-DongKe-Semicon-DK5V45R20_C94728.pdf
On the block diagram on page 2 we can see two interesting elements :
The first is a capacitor. My guess is that it charges when the IC is reverse biased. When the IC is forward biased, the MOSFET turns on. But because its resistance is close to zero, there is no more voltage across the chip's pins. The MOSFET's gate is now polarized thanks to the capacitor. This means that *the chip needs to be periodically reverse polarized to operate*
The second is the diode between the source and drain of the MOSFET. When you were testing the forward voltage of the "diode" (which actually is an IC), the capacitor was discharged and the MOSFET wasn't conducting. This means that the forward voltage you measured is the one of the diode between source and drain, which should not conduct during normal operation.
This synchronous rectifier is probably what makes this power supply so efficient (90% efficiency). Computer power supplies have used synchronous rectifiers for quite some time as because of their low voltage (12V and 5V rails) the voltage drop of Shottky diodes had always been a major source of inefficiency.
I got exactly the same unit, bought from Lidl in Germany in 2019. Has been charging up my cell-phone and video camera for the last 4 years and it works flawless. Didn't even know about the auto light sensor since I watched your video.
It's amazing how much detailed analysis you can squeeze out of a simple switching USB supply! Giving a basic introduction while also mentioning details and loose ends one can investigate later on, when one has acquired that basic knowledge. Thank you!
I like this vintage oscilloscope
I crack up every time he says "BLOODY HELLLLLLLLLLL" lmao
3:28 - 3:30 " it has thouuus special screuuus
@@Collector123k lmao
Yes he sounds like a north Scottish Islander from Lewis or Orkney!
All I can say about this video is WOW! Amazing analysis & explanation!
Thanks for sharing!
This was very interesting, but we need even more salt!
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Me at 01:00 : What a weird voice , thinking about skipping this Video
Me at 28:47 : Great guy, lotsa knowledge , Thorough , subbed :)
When its from Lidl you know its good
I'd like to add... *usually good, not always, but usually !
Lídl for the win.. XD
In general, the LIDL products are goods, not extraordinary but it respects the European standards and safety rules.
Usually good. I once had a look at a dodgy PIR spotlight from them and it wasn't recommended. Unfortunately the review of it isn't on this channel :p
It seems a really nice little unit :-D, the leds running at 50ma is plenty bright enough to illuminate a childs bedroom.
I'm impressed by the switchmode, the output voltage was excellent considering the lack of direct voltage monitoring, that transformer must be really good in design.
Perhaps over rated in wattage, so the usb voltage stays high under full load.
The long secondary wires keep it far away from the usb sockets, very smart.
Nothing will get across that slot lol :-D.
I'm glad you didn't tear down that transformer, it would be a shame to mess it up.
Your cat would agree, i know it lol.
Happy Lidl noices
Me: now I'm going to Lidl to get one
Lidl: STONKS
So, basically a cheap aftermarket phone charger that isn't deadly? What a great find!
Love your videos and sense of humor! looking forward to seeing more videos from you about different AC/DC, DC/DC and DC/AC typologies as most are Flybacks and half-bridge. Keep them coming!
The red marked capacitor is not an electrolytic, it's a low ESR dry capacitor out of polyester.
Would that mean it's more resistant to heat?
@@rpbajb Yes cause it's a dry electrolyte
@@kyoudaiken One more question, please? How can you tell it's a polyester and not a tantalum cap?
@@rpbajb I just know that red labeling indicates a dry capacitor of the polyester type. I don't know if tantalum has another color but most of the time it comes in a completely different SMD package. The ones that look more like big diodes. They're also yellow.
@@kyoudaiken Thanks. Luv ur screen name.
The only thing I can think of is that the 1kohm resistor makes the turn-off more gradual, maybe to avoid rapid switching when the light is close to the threshold?
Or maybe just to make the photo sensor have an easier time turning off the transistor?
Great job once again. Thanks for the tear down and schematic.
Please make a video on warp chargers , OnePlus warp charger ,it gives 6amps output ,insane amount
Lidl buyers seem to do their homework, I am generally impressed with the quality of the products they sell. Thanks for the interesting analysis.
This smaller outputcapacitor which gots hot (near the diode) is a solid state, so less a problem
Brillliant schematic explanation. Thanks !!!!
"torx with a hole in it" = Security Torx
Synchronous diode that take your night sleep 🤣🤣
Once, there was a short circuit in my neighbor's house. The electrician said that a charger shorted out. The lights in our house became dimmer. Probably, it was a dodgy charger with no fuse or snubber network. At that time, I remembered your video on fake apple charger with flames.
That capacitor and resitor in secondary bypass diode. Most probably to get defined timing, and aux coil detect pulse period when output caps discharge through secondary coil. The higher voltage on output the shorter charge pulse in secondary coil. Let say 5v would keep 1us pulse and controller need to keep this timing, then output voltage would be the same
Wow, is the first time I see a open loop power supply (without feedback). It could be interesting to see the output voltage variations when the main voltage increases/decreases importantly.
It should not be affected by reasonable variations in mains voltage because it’s not open loop. It has primary side regulation via the auxiliary winding that also supplies the normal running power to the control chip. It does not have secondary side feedback. What it will not be good at, is variations in the volt drop through the secondary side components caused by variations in the load current. Also it may not be good with some types of dynamic loads.
A night light only needs very very little light output. 3 x 15 mA Leds is much too bright in my opion and distrubs the sleep. I use ordinary SMD 5630 leds from strips and power them by a Li-ion battery with a 10 k resistor in series. So the current is around 0,1 mA which is still more than enough for me. The light is working for 24h every day for 2 years now without needing any recharging of the battery. The power consumption is less than the loss by leakage current! This is proabably the most efficient led night light you can build - and it will last for the rest of my life and more... :-)
great idea! i will try it out
45R20 means 45V and 20A, very nice video, lots of work in that reverse engineer the design..
But is it a Schottky or a standard silicon diode?
@@TheSpotify95 low reverse voltage and high current in small packages = Schottky.
Someone pointed out in the comments that it's actually a synchronous diode. It's an IC which turns on a MOSFET when forward biased.
@@atmel9077 45R20 is a synchronous rectifier IC. 45V 20mOm
@@Olexsy952 Yes I know
This guy is brilliant
Still waiting for the vintage multimeter!
That's quality stuff!
I love your videos👍
The LED night light with a USB charger is TUV approved.
LOL, no exploration.
Really like the approach.
Also, a nightlight that emits blue-white light: the frequency range of light that interfere with sleep patterns!
I HATE those damn "security" screws that try to stop you getting inside of things. Worst is when they use some weird type of screw but also its recessed far into the product and most types of driver with changeable bits are too wide diameter to fit down the hole. I ground a slot out of a regular flat head screwdriver to access the damn things.
It is possible to long reach screwdrivers, but unless you use them often, having a full set can be expensive.
slowly seeing more synchronous supplies with mosfet doing the diode job aswell, but pretty rare still.
Hi,
Tx for another interesting video! It’s nice to see that this charger/nightlight is of such a good quality compared to the ‘dodgy’ ones that you’ve reviewed. Although the 150mV ripple is still a bit high I think.
I was wondering, and maybe you can confirm, if your multimeter and your USB power meter are calibrated to each other. By that I mean: if connected to the same voltage, would they display the same? Tia
Conservator - unlikely that the USB meter has been calibrated, if it is like a very similar one that I got from eBay. They are cheap and cheerful indicators rather than proper test instruments.
Mark 1024MAK Hi,
Yes, I understand. What I meant was: did he check if both meters indicated the same (correct or incorrect) voltage when connected to the same lines.
This is important when comparing the values of the two and drawing a conclusion on the efficiency of the power supply.
If there was a difference of say 0.05V you could just adjust the measurements of one meter to make the measurements comparable to each other.
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Thank God! That's not a dodgy circuit!!
Very interesting Video! I don't know very much about electronics but this video was very well explained, good job!
Solid PSU except for them skipping trimming the through hole component leads. No clippy boards for them!
Fantastic video and reverse engineering as usual Thank you
Thank you
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I wonder how the chip starts oscillating, when it doesn't have any start up resistor? I think it drops the voltage from the primary winding (built in diode in series with a resistor from the power transistor's drain to the aux. capacitor), and when the capacitor charges to some voltage, it starts oscillating
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Vypadá to dobře, díky za rozebrání. :-)
Thats very good. I have that one too and tested USB current up to 2A without any issues. This is DIode gone hot. Thats a ton of temperature mercury instruments :P
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The cap near the USB connector was only rated 50v so it's not the mains. Although it is on the mains side of the circuit so could be hot.
very good work maaaan !!
It doesn't have a charging port controller. They are shorting D+ and D- instead, to signal a charging port to the device (so the device can sink more than 500mA). This is not standard, and fast charge might not work with some devices.
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3:28 na tyhle šroubky si můžeš koupit bity i v Lidlu :D
They probably watched all of your videos :D
Thanks .good explanation with that schematic illustration
Very nice and informative video as always!
Great video, as always. The 1K resistor looks to me like a darlington base stopper to stop HF problems. I wonder if there are optical light feedback oscillations when room is dark - between LEDs and optic sensor? This can vary with room dimensions and surfaces reflectivity?
The photodiode or more likely, the phototransistor is likely to be rather directional. Try placing a piece of white card about 50cm to 100cm in front of it.
Finally a decent USB power supply.
Actually I saw a device which was very similar to the charging cube you showed once , but it also had a secret camera in it. Maybe you can order it and check it out ?
Great work as always.
Dear men,
From time to time it is good to balance with a product not from China, to get proportions...
Thank you for your effort to create enthralling and helpful content!!
By the way, I'm love very match your speech style, it's a little reminds me of Chef John's speech style (from the "Food Wishes" Channel).
This is also a China product, Livarno Lux is just a trademark.
In China you get what you payed for, if you buy a US$ 1.00 charger don't expect the quality of a US$ 20.00 charger.
@@ZZtop-gg3lu The product says "Germany" (the company is German, the actual production - I do not know).
My intention was on the safety issue of the products from China, not on their quality.
The problem with China is that it does not struggle with those who sell products that endanger human lives, not the poor quality of the products.
Try to imagine what would happen if there was a shop selling explosives to small children, and the authorities would not interfere...
Especially in America, where there is no electric shock protection in the main panel, but only in a few individual outlets...
Sadly, the internet is full of stories of people killed because of life-threatening products (and not always because of their negligence).
When making a device, a manufacturer has to consider how to prevent the possibility of life-threatening.
I also make (for myself) electrical/mechanical appliances, but I design them to keep the user in the most extreme conditions.
Thank you!
In the EU the importer is liable for the product safety, so if you order a product from China, you are the importer and responsible for the product safety.
But I agree, a lot of life threatening electronic products come from China and it looks like profit outweighs safety.
On the other hand, both the original Apple charger and the fake ones are made in China.
There are a lot of big brands in China that sell high quality, safe products.
Like XiaoMi , Blitzwolf, Arilux, Nitecore, Huawei, etc. but the price is accordingly.
@@ZZtop-gg3lu Just to be clear, we have no argument. We are actually talking in parallel (you - about quality, I - about safety).
And to be honest, I say people seem to be afraid to tell the truth (as they perceive it), because it is very uncomfortable ("Political correct"). People are afraid to say that the problem is the Chinese - the people who live in China. Of course it is impossible to generalize, and certainly not bad name for every Chinese person living in China, but this reality, where there is a country that can easily sell dangerous things - call it "export" - is what distinguishes China (on the bad side of course), as opposed to any sovereign country another revised I know.
At all Chinese sites, you can find accessories selling raw materials, that they describe them not what they really are made of (for example, non-brass plumbing fittings and therefore rusting immediately).
Again, the location called China is not the problem. It is just where the problems are made almost legally possible (since the law authorities do not make any effort to block these serious crimes).
And along the way,
I know many good Chinese companies, and there are many wonderful things in China. Which is not at all contradictory, but it is important to remember and internalize, which is not always a high price, indicative of the nature of a product. And there are many examples of this, one of my favorites is AvE's - which shows two Inverters, one expensive and one cheaper, and the expensive one was worse than the cheaper one.
See here:
ruclips.net/video/Ox8AIQuXDII/видео.html
Lidl has good products for good price. Can't argue with that.
Dík za test, koukal jsem tam na něj a dokonce si i říkal, že ho koupím a pošlu ti ho na test, ale když jsem tam došel znovu, už je neměli :( Aspoň vím, že když se příště ojeví, můžu to v klidu koupit a někomu věnovat :)
The main rectifier diode is not diode. Well it is but not normal diode, it is MOSFET based rectifier IC. It is DK5V45R20 manufactured by Shenzhen DongKe Semicon. You should be able to find datasheet just by bit of google-ing. I would just put the link here. But RUclips automatically banns / hides comments with links in them. It would not be much help. Unfortunately datasheet is almost all in Chinese. At last they use some recognizable symbols like V or mA or A. So you can get some information from it.
English language data sheet for DK5V45R20
p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/SPEC/915/K1144395915.pdf
Judging from the marking, the output diode is rated at 2Amps and 45 volts.
2A would be less that the 2.4A it says. Actually, this diode is not even a diode! I discovered it a bit later and I will make another video just about this component.
it's diode datashet maybe DK5V45R20
Kondík s červeným popisom je polymer, takže max. pulzný I pri 100kHz je asi 10x vyšší ako u klasického elytu.
GOOD PRESENTATION,I WOULD TRIM THOSE LEADS SHORTER ON THE CIRCUIT BOARD.ITS HARD FOR ME TO SEE BUT,SOME THE SOLDERING COULD BE BETTER.
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Very good 👍
I think I found the datasheet for the "diode": datasheet.lcsc.com/szlcsc/1811151534_Shenzhen-DongKe-Semicon-DK5V45R20_C94728.pdf
It's actually got a mosfet and gate drive circuit!
Oh, I see Tiago Ferreira already posted it. And there's a hint in the description...
Man, I can almost smell the indistinguishable smell of a brand new PCB.
That sensor is LDR, light dependent resistor
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Danyk, you have the most interesting channel on switched mode power supplies.
I think that's a 450V, 20A fast diode. They also call them ultra-fast. It might have a "F" on the markings.
I think using an inductor input filter, prevents in rush current to rise too fast.
What I don't understand, is why is there such ringing from the transformer?
Thanks for another amazing video!
That was outstanding.
Knowing me, id probably try to mod it to use 18650's.
Not a bad lookin light.
Challenge: Unwind the transformer to check it, then rewind it to make it work again. :)
I think it's worth a try
We like Lidl.
Even more transistorrrssss
how did you make your wattmeter ? i dont want to spent 100$ on a uni-t wattmeter
He used AD633 chip to sense voltage and multiply it by voltage across the shunt. danyk.cz
@@teslakovalaborator ah the good old P = U²
You can seek for cheap shields for arduino based projects. Try finding some board with the Analog Devices Energy metering Ics or harvest a watthour meter. This chips can be tuned into different current ranges. Or you can probably get a vintage wattmeter or pannel instrument.
@@38911bytefree i will try to build one in my channel, don't forget to subscribe
No startup power circuit for the chip?
EDIT_ Never mind. I looked up the data sheet. Starts directly from high voltage passed through the primary.
It would be interesting to see an analysis of some of the cheap Chinese variable voltage and amperage power supplies available for very little money on AliBaba.
Hahaha nice diode
Why aren't you using an adjustable electronic usb load? These are not expensive and you can have more than 2.5A load^^
Are you from Czech Republic?
You didn't verify the transformer???
You want to keep this supply working?
Just something: to test galvanical isolation, measure ac voltage between secondary negative and maind ground! Higher than 20V means that isolation isn't sufficient and power supply could be dangerous! You have not to touch secondary negative when testing because you are connected to the ground!
If higher than 20V, you can make it completely safe by connecting secondary negative to mains ground!
ur cat is very cute
It's very niiiiiiice , but may be dooodgy
he is tooooo i forgot him because cat is in corner
Haha, včera jsem koupil to samý :D
Ja som si ho chcel tiež kúpiť ale už bolo vypredané
@@lukmly013 hmm, většinou je to takhle, jakmile je v Lidlu něco s USB za celkem levno, tak je to hned prodaný :D
Very interesting , where did you get the special bit set? Looks handy.
I got it as a present years ago. It's really quite useful, unlike most of supermarket sets that contain just flat head, philips, hex and torx.
Can you make variable power supply from cheap Chinese switching power supply?
26:36 How does one figure out the voltage drop of that resistor?
A) measure it :)
B) with the assumption that the FV of the leds is 3V -> 5v - 3v = 2v drop
You're too smart
Danyk, I wish to know how you measure the input watts with a normal multimeter. If you already did a video on that kindly post a link to that video
Sunil George Thomas - asked and answered much earlier in the comments...
what's the value of capacitor connected to PIN 3 of PN8370 and also the capacitor parallel to 45R20 diode?
Great vid!
Please review that cheap dodgy voltage meter pens/devices from ebay
Great charger 👌of course it's made in Germany
The Importer has a german adress but I'm very sure its made somewhere in Asia.
mohamad aldarwish - it may have been specified, designed or commissioned in Germany, but made in China, Taiwan, Korea or another country in that part of the world.