Tormach VS HARD Hastelloy X | CNC Machining
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Thanks for including the metric values as well. It's very helpful to me being a CNC operator in Norway. It's very helpful and provides me the extra knowledge that I need every day. I hope to see more of that in the future. Love your series on how to machine those extra hard alloys. Keep it up. Boom!
Holy moly you guys finally added metric! Congrats on joining the rest of the first world :D. Great stuff keep it coming!
BOOM!!!
@@markocaric1024 Yeahh...Big tanks to nazi german sciencist like von braun.
@@markocaric1024 sad life af.
@@markocaric1024 have to give you that one. Metric still moves the biggest construction around. Troll platforms 👍
Nice to see metric in video
Titan: “Tormach please don’t hate us”
Tormach: *laughs in free advertisement knowing the machine can take it*
There is no free advertisement
@@nihilisticman yes there is
Thank you for the metric!! Makes me wonder why im cutting so slow in 4140
Thanks Titan. Having both, Metric and Imperial units is very helpful. Good to see that you cover Tormach as well as Haas and DMG. I also appreciate that you develop and appreciate your team.
Thumbs UP for metric. Please explain more about cutting pressures and vibrations and stuff, not only feeds and speeds, but why they are like this. Thanks
Basically by pressure he’s saying a smaller stepover/ radial depth of cut, keep a deep axial depth of cut and just walk the tool slowly. If you can image a bigger radial depth of cut, the machine is literally pushing the tool sideways into the material harder. So a smaller stepover is less “pressure”
I'm eighteen, and I have to say I'm loving this trade and the opportunities it gives me.
i know nothing about cnc machining , but i always watch your videos, such a strong team , titan you are the kind of boss i would like to work with, always positive & helping all
Thanks for metric guys! Now I can really understand everything 😁
Excellent! It's more about understanding tooling feeds and speeds and tool pressure just like you said. I've been doing my best to teach this to people for ages.
I did an .400 depth adaptive tool path with a 1/8 end mill in 17-4 and it worked perfectly. Everyone thought I was nuts.
Made my day that the metric units were included in this video!! Man I want a Tormach haha
*Respect mr titan. U have my respect. Never thought u could achieve this on a tormach*
You did a great job by adding metric chart absolutely loved it
Thank you soooooooo much for the metric!!!!
Your soooooooooo welcome!
@@TITANSofCNC *you're
Stoped the video to thank you for adding metric. Now I'm going to resume
Finally mm and m for speeds and feeds now i dont have to calculate thank you so much 😁
We are metric guys...
Great videos Titan! I learn something every time I watch one!
Knowledge + Tooling + Machine + Patience = Success !! Tormach is a tough little machine !!!
It's very nice you show parameters also in SI units
Thanks
I second that :)
metric! a dream came true! thank you!
Absolutely awesome! Thank you Titan and company for promoting the industry (and hobby) learning!
Please, if you could, work with your suppliers to get them to accommodate hobby machinists. It’s very difficult to purchase from the bigger companies as they often don’t offer an online web shop and don’t want to deal with small orders. I haven’t tried too many, but Helical is one example of a company I’d like to order from but find it’s almost impossible to place a small order.
Try MSC. All the tooling you will ever need as a hobby boy!
Always love seeing the schunk vise in the tormach.
BEAST
You should try the LANG vises. Part of the price of a SCHUNK, really compact, highly precise but still good for heavy milling.
TITAN!! It's only a matter of time before I buy one of these tormachs. Love the content you guys are amazing
Fantastic video using the tormach !
Beautiful work guys!!!
Hey Titan,I like your style, how you are explaining and talking.
Amazing .You all of you very best . Titan and his team inspire for me . I want to be a CNC expert .
Looks amazing! He nvr checked or verified one dimension, nice job titan
Now we've got all the application videos on milling, and drilling difficult materials, it'd be good to see the same done for turning. OD turning, ID turning, face grooving, radial grooving, and parting. Maybe seeing some adaptive turning with button inserts, or prime turning if you use it?
Thanks for addic metric to the infos!
Awesome man 👍🤘
They're truly fortunate to work there.
Thanx for the metric values 👌
Another great video highlighting the Tormach! Thank you for including us HSM guys in the journey!
THANK YOU FOR THE METRIC!!!
I will say this, as a mechanical engineer, that tool pressure is a term that I have found to be misunderstood industry-wide. The definition of pressure is force per unit area, i.e. P=F/A. Think of a hydraulic cylinder being extended by a hydraulic pump exerting 3000 psi. A larger cylinder will exert greater force even though the PRESSURE is exactly the same. The reason is that the piston in the cylinder has a greater surface area, and therefore according to that equation rearranged for force, F=P*A, the force increases. In this same manner, when you use a smaller tool, it is not the tool pressure that is changing... it is the force exerted on it that is changing.
I've always thought that the adaptive tool paths should have an option to increase feed rate or step over as the depth of cut is reduced to keep that chatter/vibration down as the tool pressure is reduced. Also, it would increase productivity.
Agreed
Thanks for all the lesson's!
Your welcome
I can't find anyone who wants to learn. I've even provided employees laptops and given them my cell number to ask questions about running the software and none ask me anything. None even try to learn. It's incredible to me. I always wanted to learn design and cnc programming and taught myself.
Back in the day of gear driven, low rpm, high torque machines it was far more important to watch your backlash. As the hydraulically driven, high rpm, low torque machines came about backlash was much les of a problem. its also a guide for using big multi carbide cutters. One keller shop I worked in burned up the gearboxes of 6 Kellers
Thanks for the metric speeds and feeds👌👌👌
This is just awesome. Wondered if you where going to try pushing it. And I got my answer now.
Yoo titan I was working on haas machines in the past in some local small company and what we used was vacuum tables in the machines. So u dont need large clamps to hold it together and its way faster setup! Take look in to that!
Vacuum machines are Great for certain applications.
@@TITANSofCNC I mean they are not really for titanium and hard materials, but for something soft like plastic or aluminium with no so much of a tolerance is turning out really good!
Hi Titan, thanks for sharing this great video. Hope you will create some video for cutting 4140-PH with this little Tormach machine....
That's awesome! I need to get some Exotics to try on my desktop machines. Maybe pickup a few of those endmills. Nice job guys
i am so addicted to you're videos. well. about this tormach 770. wanted to buy one. but got bad feed back on play on the y axes that causes shatter and tool vibrating. can you please check play on the bed and quality before i spend money on some thing not worth while. thanks a lot for all the work you guys do and things that you guys teaches people.
Dear Titan cnc team,
I’m a young individual in the trade looking to better myself as well as others. If you could consider making a video about inspiring and motivating your workforce I would greatly appreciate it.
Derrick
Excellent job guys. Love it
Absolutely amazing! Love Your work!
I like the cooling setup and it is good to see that the Tormach can get at these hard materials it. Say, did you make that cooling system or buy it?
Great video, I was hoping to see some slotting.
I have A LOT of issues with my 770 in scenarios like this with high pitch chatter when cutting stainless. I can hear a little of that high pitch noise in the video around 5:55 in the video. Any suggestions on this?
You’re videos are awesome keep it up! Can you do more lathe videos?
Yes
Hi Titan, could you tell what cycle time can you acheive machining this part on your DMG and Hass vs Tormcach?
For 7 years my 1100s have been machining stainless steel, hardened steel, 8620, 4140, tractor flywheels, Ampco 18, tool steel, HSS, doing farm/construction repair part machining, try machining a diesel engine wrist pin now that is hard.
How did I end up here Joe
How do you get good radial engagement at 15+ times diamameter stick out?
Get me a job!!!!!! God I love your guys work and always trying new thing!!!
Adaptive cutterpaths make all the difference. I knew it would work from the beginning. Oh Yeah! Faster Faster!
What synthetic are you using. And also what % do you keep it at ??
Все время обрабатывают алюминий)=) и такие круто)
Hey titan when are you going to review the main milling machines makers and buy a new cnc bridgeport with heidenhain see if they still make them as good as they was back in the 30s
Definitely don’t make them like they used to... Bridgeport is made over seas I believe.
The new Bridgeports are made in Hardinge's operated plant in Taiwan. They are very nice machines. Owning older Bridgeport CNC's I can tell you that the new machines are more rigid and accurate. Hardinge controls all the QC and manufacturing in that plant. Only their high end lathes are still made in Elmira, NY.
Titan, you should get a new Hardinge H51 or a Conquest.
I run 90's and early 2000's Hardinge lathes. Still Super Precision. If I was in your shoes, I would hook up with them! USA....BOOM!
I mill a lot of tungsten, POM, stainless and mostly lead. Could you talk about any of these materials? I'm very curious what you're gonna say
That small cut reminded me of a whoops moment , i had a couple day ago . Feed around 1000 my hand was on override , but otherwise it was on rapid . 17.5mm drill low cutting speed . I was glad the part and the bit was still ok 😅
Really interested in the Tormach machines, I can’t afford a big 3 phase machine plus I don’t have 3 phase at my home, but I could learn about machining with one of these
How does the cycle time on the Tormach compare to a machine that would be more suited to run production of a part like this?
With this size tool... it’s about 33% but that’s great for a inexpensive machine that plugs into a regular garage outlet
Do you re sharpen your Harvi III 's? If so, ones with chip breaker too? Send them back to Kennematel or where? Jusy got my shop to change tool paths and running the Harvi III. Love it! But need to know about resharpening please. Thank you
We don’t because we run them until they chip bad... but I will ask about it.
Will the zombie cutter cut high speed steel or tool steel as well as inkanal and moanal. I don’t have a cnc but thinking I could cut forming tools in the mill for my lathe?
Thank you!
I know this is old, maybe someone can help me though. Where does Hastelloy fit in the hardness/toughness (I can never remember which is which) like is it harder/softer than Stainless steel? 4140? Mild steel?
Would you recommend the "ZombieMill" in Super Duplex steels for the oil industry? My shop seems to have some problems with our current tools
Yes
Can these cnc machines cut any kind of metal?
Hey Titan. I know youre using a loot of Haas machines... do u ever have a problem with a holders in a revolver after 3-4 year old machines?
Usually on the clamps that hold big tools?
The metrology report?
Hi Guys, how about doing a more in depth film to help academy members specify their Tormach. What do we need as a minimum, what you would recommend for us to get from Tormach to help us follow through the academy program. You already have kits with Kennametal tools maybe its time for Tormach to produce a Titans Academy kit.
2 weeks in teaching myself mastercam still trying to figure out how to get my optirough path to take out the corners first.
Hi! Could you please tell me what speed and feed for drilling aluminum extrusion with 12mm drill bit
I mill titanium with a 3/4hp grizzly. Not even playing the same game as these big guys. But its the same principle about speeds an feeds
yeahhh metric! please do it in every video
Will do
Can you do a video on deburring
Yes
But did it meet spec? If Titan was trying to manufacturer this part then I want to know if it met spec? Aerospace metal, did it meet aerospace spec?
Perfectly in spec.
I cut 6al4v in my 770 Series 3 constantly (I wish I had the more powerful spindle motor in your swanky new 770M). Is it absolutely ideal? Hell no. Does it make me money with nothing more than a 110v wall plug? Hell yes! Small cutters with steep angle of entry (1/8, 3/16, 1/4, max 5/16).
What's the load on that spindle?
There is no load meter... all by hearing
Come on guys, Lets get some more Tormach videos going! I have an 1100 in my garage I use on a product made out of 7075 T6. Show us how to push feeds and speeds with a 1.5HP machine that can only go 110IPS. Can I get a "Boom!"
Alright Titan, out with the 'surprise' video.... Already spilled some beans may as we spill em all.
How would you compare your tormach against a Haas TM2?
What did the chunk of HX cost? Try a piece of copper next. :)
Pushing a Tormach? Now you're speaking my language. Would it help the chatter, as less of the tool length is engaged, to push it faster?
Yes... as you could see, my chip load was set low because of the Axial depth... but it could be possibly doubled on the short cuts
@@TITANSofCNC Does it work to set the top height below the top, say, halfway down on the adaptive, then run a second adaptive with the bottom height the top of the first, at a faster feed-rate?
Time to push it a little harder !
More video with another harder metal cut please, i’m still not buying that tormach can cut stainless, steel, titanium like butter ?
Maybe this new model 770M ?
I wonder what’s the different than the old model 770 ( without “M” ) ?
You can find the spec sheets for both the 770m and the p770 and that will give you the difference.
Tormach is getting ready to roll out the MX line which will have a new spindle for better holders, servos (instead of stepper motors), updated path pilot, and more.
Tuba Player what’s the difference in cutting result between 770 and 770m is my question.
Does 770 can’t cut hard metal as good as 770m ??
calico88888888 I don’t see how it would; steppers vs. servos.
Did it hold tolerances?
That's the real question.
But is the part within spec? I know this is an old vid. I’m gonna keep watching this series and find out..
Is hastelloy harder than most hardened tool steels
Not harder than all...
It’s Hard because it’s half Nickel, but also just gummy and nasty...
It’s all about good tools at the rights speeds
I know I’m late to the party. Will this cut steel too?
Hastelloy is much more nasty than steel.
In my experience, Hastelloy was never that hard to mill. Its small diameter drilling and tapping that makes it a pain in the ass to work with... It mills pretty well though.
The point is that the Spindle is Only 1.5 HP... and we recently also did drilling videos giving correct speeds and feeds
@@TITANSofCNC O ya, not knocking the machine at all! Drilling and tapping hastelloy isn't terrible on machines either. Its more of a tooling nightmare problem. Actually could you recommend any drill or tap brands you like to run in the high nickle materials??? Thanks for the reply!
Plzzz. Make more metric videos....
Haas mini mill. Is a more robust machine that will outlast the tormach.
what if you don't have upwards of 10k?
METRIC!!
Measure it and find the slop in the machine.
Josh Miller when they made the part out of 4140 they said it measured really close. Also the MX and M+ line is coming with servos which may be a little better for the accuracy then the motors they currently ship with.
use a high helix end mill
I want a tormach 770m
Modern software does wonders. Sadly most people who buy a tormach will not use the three required components. A modern toolpath - 100% climb cutting and constant step over. Good tools - variable pitch and the proper geometry for the material. Decent fixturing and minimum tool stick out. Software cost is the main issue - 30K for a seat that will produce this 3D modern toolpath.
Alvaro Gil not really true anymore, autodesk now give fusion 360 out for free to people who are small business or home shop. And the titan academy teaches fusion.
I have and do still use it from time to time but you do lose a little control when compared to mastercam 2018.
However fusion has a very good adaptive tool path AI.
Also fusion can handle simultaneous 5 axis and is a very capable program should highly suggest looking it up and playing around with it.