Not having watched this video yet, I am gonna say I'm pretty sure he has said he is an INTJ. And his big shtick is all about improving the empirical test-retest reliability of typology so it can stand up in the scientific community.
I'm an intj. I find dsp highly naive. His trust in objectivity is insulting to truth. As if there's no way two people could get the same wrong answer. His work seems sloppy and unreflective and seems to draw people in because of its flare: "look at us! Objective, not subjective!" I understand the value of subjectivity... Im not even sure why objectivity is valued so highly; subjectivity and objectivity have their place. People here seem to assume stupid = Fi/Te. Stop that! Ti users can be stupid as well (audience gasps*). Look at functions. I thought dsp was a Fi dom, but after watching some vids, I think he could be a Ti dom. He talks too fast for Ni-Te. He's also too sure of himself. But I gots that good ole Te, sah I mights not understands wats goin' on!
I do think he's using Te for various reasons but I agree with you that INTJs don't tend to come across in this cocky fashion (none of the IN** types do) - otherwise I would dislike them! I wonder then if he's an ENTJ - it would explain quite a lot. His presentation of himself as the 'expert' for us to look up to and follow his theories reminds me of C.S Joseph - an ENTJ who thinks he's ENTP.
@M J Is having 512 types a Te thing? To me it sounds totally impractical. I thought Ti was the hair splitter. I don't think these categories actually, ontologically exist, but are helpful tools for understanding. So having 512 just seems mindnumbing. 16 will do I think Csj is an entp. Not because of anything he says. I can barely listen to him. But he isn't very open to new information or information inconsistent with his system. His videos also tend to ramble, to a point that I'm always skipping the first 5-10 mins. I believe Grey is an entj. I like him. I resonate with him. His videos are to the point, and he isn't afraid to change what he says if that means we all can have a better understanding of something. But just my thoughts.
@M J This could be. I don't agree (or disagree) with everything here, but that's not a problem. But I will say this. We often see high fi users say, "everyone is unique." This is a general Te statement meant to capture the Fi evidence of one's own uniqueness and the differences of others. I believe this statement. The data shows me this, and I make a principle. I don't need the principle to show me how unique people are. That seems to be what Dave is doing. "There are 512 types; therefore everyone is special to an extent." But I'm sure that two people with the same type in this 512 system still would have differences. So it doesn't make sense to me why he would need to take it that far. To me, it seems like he's followed the principles to this conclusion, which is a ti thing. In my view, for Te, data (any type of data, senses, thoughts, others' thought) is King. If the facts dont support it, it cannot be true (but it's not necessary false either) For Ti, principles are king. "Who cares about data, if the principles are sound?" the Ti users asks. Dave sometimes sounds like a Te user, but his system isn't very Te. However, this is up for interpretation.
@M J and Allie B, have you considered that Dave could be an istp? I'm just looking for thoughts (my Te, lol). But this is what I think he is now. He has his own unique system (Ti) that is meant to be practical (Se). This can look a lot like Te, I imagine. But I think there are other tells. For one, he does not seem very theoretical (low N). And he seems to trust that his system will withstand the rush of reality or be improved by it(which seems to be a positive relation between Ti and Se). He was also into those miniature plane things (which seems very Ti Se, but could be anything). I've also been watching his interviews. He's animated and quick to respond (Se). He also has this inviting softness to him, which doesnt seem impossible for inf Fe. It would make sense that an istp was rubbing so many N's (myself included) the wrong way, too.
Keep in mind that he probably doesn't handle the marketing and branding himself. Someone else could've designed his visual design. Unless you can still tell even if they didn't design things themselves but hired someone else to do it.
He problably hired "EXPERTS" to do that..(typical Te way). Of course the experts he hired were rational and objective experts who work on graphics scientifically. (lol - sorry, can't help it)
He identifies as an INTJ but it's more complicated than that for him, according to his system. Te is just as much about the tribe as Fe, he's created this system because he thinks Science approving it would help the community understand the functions and for them to become a part of society. Fe doesn't care about that because it's connected to Ti, so Ti doesn't really care if other people think differently.
He identifies as INTJ with a strong link between NiFi than NITe according to him. He mentioned being into conspiracy theories and not using his extroverted functions enough to check for facts in the past. I think he probably is NiTe because Te is geared to scientific method and looking for objective systel of laws, procedures, policies etc. His speech is quick, blunt, and to the point hinting at Te efficiency than Fe. His quickness is different than Ne quickness which is trying to keep up with their thoughts. He is focused on saving his time and others time. His bluntness doesn't seem that Fe to me. I do think higher Ti users can probably be more objective if in a healthy mental state. Any type in an unhealthy mental state is probably not going to be objective. I think Ti users can be very good at rationalizing things and making a convincing argument even when they are doing something that is not in their best interest. But I think they have lots of room for growth because Ti can be good at breaking down a problem and Ne coming up with a creative solution.
I do not really buy him being into conspiracy theories all that much. He seems way too much into his Te-authorities. I would not be surprised if he just used that example to make his video seem more Te-effective as a sort of warning that you'll end up believing in such things if you do not follow his system. In another video he even said conspiracy theories are more for Ne/Ti users, which I agree with, because they're open minded and will at least consider the idea that something is different than they thought. Te users will way more reject the whole concept of reality being different than they think it is, it as long as the majority of people do not believe in them.
@@PowerRedBullTypology Ive read online that when INTJ users get into NiFi loop that they can take on paranoid/conspiracy like behavior because Te and Se arent fact checking. It becomes an intuitive feeling not based in reality or logic. That being said, it doesnt seem to affect NiTi users in a loop. But he could also be saying that to get people to buy into his system. I do like the format of his vids and some points he makes. But I also have doubts about some things and he might be misleading people on how the functions work or originally defined by Jung and MBTI professionals. I welcome change and refinement but it better improve understanding than confuse some people. NeTi users will openly critic something which is fine and often based in a real possibility. I think Ni users in 3rd or 4th function or possibly lower can become paranoid under stress. Also many INTJs are 5w6 on enneagram which is a combo that may be related to paranoia/schizophrenia in unhealthy stages such as John Nash of the movie Beautiful Mind.
@@45Seconds2Mars I disagree with a lot of this. Many INFJs are into conspiracy theories or at least questioning the mainstream views on things (i.e. critical thinking) and it is due to Ni/Ti which can get obsessive - hence why many have OCD or anxiety to some extent. Also why they have an on/off switch - very interested in a new hobby and then suddenly not at all interested. I think it's all 'cause Ti is 3rd and you enjoy using your 3rd function - so you basically keep delving for ever more info. Then you get INFJs who aren't questioning of the mainstream narrative at all i.e. with politics - these are probably the ones that you know or are talking about. They just go with whatever the culture is telling them to do (I think out of too much Fe and not using Ti enough) - so they tend to be the SJW/NPC type. I've thought to myself before that it's like there are two distinct camps of INFJ - probably also depends on Enneagram type.
@@AllieB-11.11 I'm not familiar with any INFJs into conspiracy theories but the ones I do know do question what is happening in politics and mainstream. I wont rule it out that INFJs can be into conspiracy theories but I just havent seen it and can only speak from my experience. I tend to stay away from conspiracy areas especially on youtube because some of the theorists can be dangerously delusional OCD stalkers. I had one put me on his "hit list". Think he finally got arrested or institutionalized as he has been silent on youtube for a long time now. But you do make a good point about Ti wanting to critique and look deeper into things. I can see that. I just find many conspiracy theorists aren't objective enough and can be delusional. I think there is a scale from an objective person looking into a matter to get to the truth which is a very Ti thing to do and then going to the far end of delusional OCD where your theories are leading you versus the facts leading you.
@Demon Windu Ive suspected ISJ s to be into conspiracy theories and being preppers. SJs worried about change. Many enneagram 6 which can lead to high anxiety and worry. Some people can be OCD on health matters. More likely to be self preservation first and possibly type 1 or 6 can be OCD about it. Or possibly type 3 if its more of an image matter than actual health matter. NTPs can take on a nihilistic, live life to the fullest, go out in a blaze of glory, dont give a fuck, let's have a good time while the world burns lifestyle. Probably more of a type 7 sx thing to do. NTP who is sp type 5 or 1 would probably be less risk taking. I'm more health conscious because I have to be if I want a better quality of life due to diagnosed medical conditions dealing with irregular blood sugars etc. I think my mom is ESFP type 7. She didnt give a fuck about her health and is now in a nursing home with dementia, disabled by broken foot in a wheel chair before she was 65 etc. Type 7s dont give a fuck til their quality of life is effected and they lose their freedom. Then they start questioning shit. I love type 7s upbeat humor and positive good time attitude but it can be a double edged sword.
Hmm I can't see this guy as INFJ - too sure of himself and cocky or something. Also isn't he using Te as per j4yn1ck5's comment - empirical studies blah blah - plus he thinks you can't see yourself objectively (25:00) but would a Ti user think that? Something about this guy irritates me.
Allie B Precisely. Have you seen his video on Ti? After watching it I unsubscribed. His Te is unbearable and too sure of his subjective “objectivity”. Just because two people after a long process come to the same conclusion, doesn’t validate the methodology as correct (or maybe flat earthers are correct). Has the same problem that C.S Joseph has with his concept of shadow, meaning is unable to make a meaningful distinction between what a function stack is and how it can vary. Creating this weird semi Types, that are mostly just mistypes and then rationalises afterwards saying something like: Blast-Play reversed squared with subdued Fi (a bit of hyperbole for rhetorical purposes). If you don’t define your terms precisely and explain the mechanism that govern functions (namely that functions have mutually repressive natures because we cannot attend to two of them at the same time, like Se-Ne or Te-Fe), the whole endeavour is circular.
- Allie, You're so right about all his Te stuff like empirical studies, science, authorities like CIA, FBI (especially the latter 2 have nothing to do with INFJ's)
@@Outofontology Yes..I totally agree with that. I find his videos highly unbearable too. I watched them because possibly they could contain some useful information, but it's just so often so incorrect...
@@Outofontology I'm curious how consistant his system is with itself. First he assumes it's possible that the second and third functions can be reversed in an individual. Ok, let's go with that. He says this is the case fo 'half' of the indiduals. Ok, does not seem likely to be exactly half of the people, but still let's go with it to assume that's true too. However, now what are exactly the rules that dictate how his system works or can work? If functions like the second and third can be flipped, then it would be consistant to assume other function locations can be flipped too, as it assumes the possibly of functions flipping order in the first place is something that is possible. Can the 3th and 4th or second and first functions also be flipped? If not, why not? If yes, then what are the rules which functions can be flipped in which order and why? It's unclear (at least to me - but I might not be informed well enough) what exactly dictates how the rules work on a macro level of the system he -convieniently made up- scientifically and objectively researched in his professional research lab with stricly using professionals with expertise, who stricly use objective methods of testing ...blabla
I think Dave is an INTJ. He's too sarcastic and unneccesarily rude/condescensing (even though I sense it's to cover up an insecurity). So no Fe as a second function. His wife is also an ENTJ, and there is ZERO chance an INFJ would ever marry an ENTJ (-INFJ)
DSP talks a lot but never actually says anything. I constantly have to replay his videos over and over in sections because i cant understand a word the man says and he never explains anything. He has a general overview of everything which makes what he says so damn hard to follow.
I have to agree with most of the comments that he is an intj. He is so in ur face with “this is how u have to do this” which seems very Te. Also, ive noticed that some intj have this tunnel vision and cant always see the Ti implications outside of that. Which drives me nuts sometimes. And this dude has that vibe of this is how it is as long as u are going down the same exact road im going on and dont pay attention to the contradictions
Yes...he's INTJ I think. Just follow HIS instructions and do not think too long about what he says so you won't notice the consistant contradictions. Just follow the steps!
I will never directly lay my eyes upon my own eyes....in that sense, I cannot see myself in the way that others see me.....however, I can see myself in some sense.....the relation to the self is intrinsically different from the relation to others, due to perspective.....it may be the case that one can reflect upon one’s actions from a place of disinterested calculus, but not in real time as we are behaving and acting in self-interest, no?
Therefore, others have this interface of real-time reality to view our manifestation of being that we cannot have.....and even as we reflect upon ourself in the past, we are doing something that is still intrinsically different because it is ourself and not another person.......unless we assume Ti exists in a vacuum
You can’t in real time directly see yourself, but you can record yourself speaking/interacting with others like the owner of the channel we’re watching does. Watch those videos over, and try to be objective about what you see and how it can be perceived, journaling also helps, you start notice patterns in your thinking, and body language you can catch in real time later on.
OzzTonWentToSpace you behave differently in some fundamental way when you are aware that you are being recorded as opposed to when you are not, or when you are interacting with others out in the real world as opposed to in chat rooms Still, there is a difference lying simply in the fact that it is a video from the past and not a being with which you are interacting in the present Also there is the fact that it is you and not someone else. That will change the motivation for perceiving it, unless, as I said, you assume Ti exists in a vacuum
OzzTonWentToSpace ok, you can do this. You can try to be objective about yourself, but you’re going to tend to notice certain things that other people wouldn’t, and other people will notice things that you won’t.
OzzTonWentToSpace moreover, when you catch those patterns of behavior in real timer later on your manner of attention is diverted back to the one that they came from: attempt to objectively perceive the self......this will take energy away from the acting self and change the manner in which the self is acting and attending You can’t really both perceive yourself disinterestedly and behave naturally in the present moment at the same time, can you? Other people have the advantage of being able to perceive you objectively as you are acting in real time, while not hindering your actions
The difference in Dave’s approach is that he is not attempting to define a completely logically consistent taxonomy. He and his wife are trying to design a personality test that is consistent in its results, not in its logical understanding of what those results mean. They put the results at primary importance because that’s how psychological science views personality tests. They’ve updated their test based on results and produced a spectrum of 512 different personalities, which they think happen to correlate with Myers Briggs, and use the functions as a way of explaining their findings, not as a way of explaining theories about cognitive functioning from impressions and observations. He and his wife get the same type when typing someone 90% of the time out of the 512, and the people that they type as the same often look alike, even though they try not to consider that. This is all coming from the video I posted I do find your understanding of cognitive functions to be more satisfying, but it is certainly exciting that their test is able to achieve such results, and interesting that their scientific approach has led them this far
*INTJ for following reasons* - He has a *high trust and values authorities* (Te) such as CIA/FBI/science/etc - Explains the user what to do, on a *step by step basis* : Te get-shit-done - His videos are called 'classes' where he's the teacher/expert basically ( *hierarchy* , clear role difference) - He assumes the *self is not objective* (his introverted Fi is indeed far from objective) - His presentation of his videos are made *to be effective* with good graphics, short time span, scripted, edited (very Te/Ni) - *Subtile differences are ignored* and statements are made which are just in a broad sense true, but ignores the tons of cases where statements are not true (so no Ti)
I don't think a lot of this is true. For example, I'm an intj, and I don't trust authority for authority's sake. That's a fallacy. Any careful thinker knows that. I dont think science has all the answers. It only knows what it can prove. How can we say what isn't proved isn't true? We can't, so I think things not proved by science can be (but are not necessarily) true. What else? Objectivity? Why does anything have to be objective to be true? How do you know objective equals truth? You don't. What do you mean by objective? An object? The self as an object? Or the self is truth? You've made a broad statement, my friend. You must therefore have Te, no? I make broad statements. But who doesn't? No word can get to the intricacies of the 'this' we are trying to get at. Intjs are careful thinkers. Please recognize that. Te is careful. It is actually self-doubting. What is true is what can perceived. That is the Te motto. I don't believe things that cannot stand up to rigorous testing. Science even falls in the face of such testing. Overall, I'm just surprised that so many people think an intj, an nt, can be, in its nature, so naive.
@@kxm3834 "INTJ's are careful thinkers" No, INTJ's think they are careful thinkers. From my perspective they are kind of reckless thinker's. They limit their thinking to "good enough to be functional". They have huge blind spots in planning past that.
@@grimsong2237 I agree with this. We aren't going to have refined Ti thought systems. But you say "good enough to be functional." Yes. But thoughts have to complete a difficult job. They have to be truthful. I don't have beliefs that don't work, that don't keep working, and by work, I mean stay consistent with truth.
@@kxm3834 Unless of course you do and don't know it. Because you are getting the results you want it doesn't mean you are getting them for the reasons you think.
MBTI is a rabbit-hole for insecure no-life people. Most of them end up finding a way out and moving on; some will dig in their heels because they are delusional guru-status seeking individuals. NEVER pay them too much money or attention...or even worse: both at once! :)
Are you completely sure that "condemning stuff you don't understand via completely unsubstantiated claims" isn't the rabbit-hole for insecure no-life people?
@@Talkingwithfamouspeople Thanks for the head-up. The only thing I'm completely sure of is that nothing is certain and everything is change. Which is why digging MBTI left and right is a rabbit-hole that sucks in people who have no solid anchor in real life. That said, I understand that many people on YT jump on the opportunity to make their bread and butter out of it. I'm only cautioning those who naively believe they will get straight time-proof answers out of MBTI. :)
It seems like the Ni users are all friends with each other. I think it has less to do with Te. In my experience learning mbti from all the you tubers, where there are big differences lie with the ne/si users vs the Ni/se users. The other thing I want to note is that Dave during class sessions is clearly an Fi user. He doesn't seem concerned with the group or how he is perceived in the group. In fact he is an asshole at times. Sarcastic and direct. He calls himself a selfish asshole and it's a running joke. I'm not here to defend him but only to bring truth. He either is an Fi user or he is acting like an Fi user during his class sessions.
Dave did an interview with Frank James (Another big RUclips typology Guy) you can find it on SoundCloud pretty sure. Interesting side not, Frank James is in a relationship with that INFJ girl Pucokie you type policed the other day
I think you're initial comment stating ENTP's should be able to objectively see and type themselves because they have Ti, is due to the fact that as you said, you are very self-critical and have had the opportunity to observe yourself very carefully. This wasn't the case for me. I now know I'm an ENTP but the first two times I took MBTI tests I would mistype as ISTJ... It was until I took the test with my girlfriend that she encouraged me to see things in me that allowed me to figure out I was not being honest. As an ENTP I take pride in being Ti objective but I couldn't see I wasn't objective with myself... My mind would trick me to think I'm organized because I've organized a couple times, To think I'm focused when I really jump from idea to idea... To think I'm introverted when actually I love discussing/debating and It's just hate small talk and have low tolerance for incompetence in others. My point is, in my particular case Dave's advice did work.
Hi Eric, is there a reason that you do not utilize OBS scenes when recording your videos? Using these could be a fairly simple change to improve the presentation of your videos. It would be trivial to even just add a transparent, always-top-level, type police badge to your input sources.
I see your terms don't match with his understanding and vice versa. He has typed himself as an INTJ according to his understanding. Looks like it'd be fun to see you typing him according to yours.
ENTPs absolutely can self-evaluate. However, I have the feeling that most other types won’t believe that. I find DSP pretty grating on the nerves in a way that is usually reserved for NTJ types (e.g. CS Joseph). You’ve peaked my curiosity about whether he’s an NFJ, though. I’ve noticed that NFJs routinely qualify what they’re saying by using phrases like “this may just be me” or “ not everyone may agree, but”. DSP doesn’t do that. He just puts his blanket one-size-fits-all assertions out there, which is definitely Ni, but also seems Te rather than Fe to me. Thoughts?
Her reactions when people do not agree with her seems very Fi-ish, such as feeling personally attacked, implying to know your intentions, lacking Ti-reason, not acknolowledging her shortcomings in interactions with others etc etc etc....
PowerRedBull I think she is just very insecure of her Ti. Dominant Fe types tend to get very defensive when their inferior is threatened or called into question. They’re very sensitive of it.
@ lockson In her videos with her ENFP friend Crystal, they spend a good deal of time contrasting Crystal’s Fi with Meghan’s Fe. If Meghan were an ESFP, that couldn’t happen and be at all believable. Also, more importantly, she’s using Ti, which is an ESFP’s blind spot.
To me he seems INTJ. He follows me actually and has typed me as ISFP through watching my vids. I like his vids maybe his Te seems Fe it serves the tribe
If I'm correct, Jung never said that a function had to be directly followed by it's opposite orientation. So there is open room for subtypes and jumpers, IMO.
Given how irreverent he is to MBTI, and the fact that he is subbed to CIA/FBI, he probably is a subversive of some sort, although I don't understand why the MBTI community would be highlighted by TPTB for larpy interactions.
I think that other RUclipsrs don't follow or interact with you for the most part because you do drugs on your videos. Not an attack, simply stating objectively. It likely pulls down your likelihood of getting more subscribership
"hes an Ni person hes gonna be more succesful" ahahahahaha
Not having watched this video yet, I am gonna say I'm pretty sure he has said he is an INTJ. And his big shtick is all about improving the empirical test-retest reliability of typology so it can stand up in the scientific community.
Finally a system where CS Joseph can rightfully claim ENTP. You know, cause he be *GATHERING* all the patreon $$$$$ 🤑🤑🤑🤑
I'm an intj. I find dsp highly naive. His trust in objectivity is insulting to truth. As if there's no way two people could get the same wrong answer.
His work seems sloppy and unreflective and seems to draw people in because of its flare: "look at us! Objective, not subjective!" I understand the value of subjectivity... Im not even sure why objectivity is valued so highly; subjectivity and objectivity have their place.
People here seem to assume stupid = Fi/Te. Stop that! Ti users can be stupid as well (audience gasps*). Look at functions. I thought dsp was a Fi dom, but after watching some vids, I think he could be a Ti dom.
He talks too fast for Ni-Te. He's also too sure of himself.
But I gots that good ole Te, sah I mights not understands wats goin' on!
So he's a liar, great. Throw that into the garbage bin... Oh... I mean Te description, sorry
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I do think he's using Te for various reasons but I agree with you that INTJs don't tend to come across in this cocky fashion (none of the IN** types do) - otherwise I would dislike them! I wonder then if he's an ENTJ - it would explain quite a lot. His presentation of himself as the 'expert' for us to look up to and follow his theories reminds me of C.S Joseph - an ENTJ who thinks he's ENTP.
@M J Is having 512 types a Te thing? To me it sounds totally impractical. I thought Ti was the hair splitter. I don't think these categories actually, ontologically exist, but are helpful tools for understanding. So having 512 just seems mindnumbing. 16 will do
I think Csj is an entp. Not because of anything he says. I can barely listen to him. But he isn't very open to new information or information inconsistent with his system. His videos also tend to ramble, to a point that I'm always skipping the first 5-10 mins.
I believe Grey is an entj. I like him. I resonate with him. His videos are to the point, and he isn't afraid to change what he says if that means we all can have a better understanding of something.
But just my thoughts.
@M J This could be. I don't agree (or disagree) with everything here, but that's not a problem. But I will say this.
We often see high fi users say, "everyone is unique." This is a general Te statement meant to capture the Fi evidence of one's own uniqueness and the differences of others. I believe this statement. The data shows me this, and I make a principle.
I don't need the principle to show me how unique people are. That seems to be what Dave is doing. "There are 512 types; therefore everyone is special to an extent." But I'm sure that two people with the same type in this 512 system still would have differences. So it doesn't make sense to me why he would need to take it that far. To me, it seems like he's followed the principles to this conclusion, which is a ti thing.
In my view, for Te, data (any type of data, senses, thoughts, others' thought) is King. If the facts dont support it, it cannot be true (but it's not necessary false either)
For Ti, principles are king. "Who cares about data, if the principles are sound?" the Ti users asks.
Dave sometimes sounds like a Te user, but his system isn't very Te. However, this is up for interpretation.
@M J and Allie B, have you considered that Dave could be an istp? I'm just looking for thoughts (my Te, lol). But this is what I think he is now.
He has his own unique system (Ti) that is meant to be practical (Se). This can look a lot like Te, I imagine. But I think there are other tells. For one, he does not seem very theoretical (low N). And he seems to trust that his system will withstand the rush of reality or be improved by it(which seems to be a positive relation between Ti and Se). He was also into those miniature plane things (which seems very Ti Se, but could be anything).
I've also been watching his interviews. He's animated and quick to respond (Se). He also has this inviting softness to him, which doesnt seem impossible for inf Fe.
It would make sense that an istp was rubbing so many N's (myself included) the wrong way, too.
Keep in mind that he probably doesn't handle the marketing and branding himself. Someone else could've designed his visual design. Unless you can still tell even if they didn't design things themselves but hired someone else to do it.
He problably hired "EXPERTS" to do that..(typical Te way). Of course the experts he hired were rational and objective experts who work on graphics scientifically. (lol - sorry, can't help it)
Was, going to bring up the possibility he hired someone. Glad I scrolled through. 👍
He identifies as an INTJ but it's more complicated than that for him, according to his system. Te is just as much about the tribe as Fe, he's created this system because he thinks Science approving it would help the community understand the functions and for them to become a part of society. Fe doesn't care about that because it's connected to Ti, so Ti doesn't really care if other people think differently.
Liv ya he’s INTJ- Fi subtype lol
Liv , yes you hit it on the nail.
He -conveniently made up a system to explain himself by flipping the location of functions- .... is just very scientific
Yes absolutely!
PowerRedBull I feel like you take Dave and his system very personally... it’s interesting
He is in a few interviews available on RUclips. You can easily find the interviews by searching on yt. It may be easier to type him through these.
X gives it to ya Good idea. He has one with World Socionics society, that one was a good example of Dave’s Te.
@@Outofontology Do you have like a video name or so to search for? Or just his name? Is his real life or internet name something with 'powers'?
25:20 I’m getting flashbacks of your video where you and Taylor get into an argument over your daughter’s type lol
He identifies as INTJ with a strong link between NiFi than NITe according to him. He mentioned being into conspiracy theories and not using his extroverted functions enough to check for facts in the past. I think he probably is NiTe because Te is geared to scientific method and looking for objective systel of laws, procedures, policies etc. His speech is quick, blunt, and to the point hinting at Te efficiency than Fe. His quickness is different than Ne quickness which is trying to keep up with their thoughts. He is focused on saving his time and others time. His bluntness doesn't seem that Fe to me. I do think higher Ti users can probably be more objective if in a healthy mental state. Any type in an unhealthy mental state is probably not going to be objective. I think Ti users can be very good at rationalizing things and making a convincing argument even when they are doing something that is not in their best interest. But I think they have lots of room for growth because Ti can be good at breaking down a problem and Ne coming up with a creative solution.
I do not really buy him being into conspiracy theories all that much. He seems way too much into his Te-authorities. I would not be surprised if he just used that example to make his video seem more Te-effective as a sort of warning that you'll end up believing in such things if you do not follow his system. In another video he even said conspiracy theories are more for Ne/Ti users, which I agree with, because they're open minded and will at least consider the idea that something is different than they thought. Te users will way more reject the whole concept of reality being different than they think it is, it as long as the majority of people do not believe in them.
@@PowerRedBullTypology Ive read online that when INTJ users get into NiFi loop that they can take on paranoid/conspiracy like behavior because Te and Se arent fact checking. It becomes an intuitive feeling not based in reality or logic. That being said, it doesnt seem to affect NiTi users in a loop. But he could also be saying that to get people to buy into his system. I do like the format of his vids and some points he makes. But I also have doubts about some things and he might be misleading people on how the functions work or originally defined by Jung and MBTI professionals. I welcome change and refinement but it better improve understanding than confuse some people. NeTi users will openly critic something which is fine and often based in a real possibility. I think Ni users in 3rd or 4th function or possibly lower can become paranoid under stress. Also many INTJs are 5w6 on enneagram which is a combo that may be related to paranoia/schizophrenia in unhealthy stages such as John Nash of the movie Beautiful Mind.
@@45Seconds2Mars I disagree with a lot of this. Many INFJs are into conspiracy theories or at least questioning the mainstream views on things (i.e. critical thinking) and it is due to Ni/Ti which can get obsessive - hence why many have OCD or anxiety to some extent. Also why they have an on/off switch - very interested in a new hobby and then suddenly not at all interested. I think it's all 'cause Ti is 3rd and you enjoy using your 3rd function - so you basically keep delving for ever more info. Then you get INFJs who aren't questioning of the mainstream narrative at all i.e. with politics - these are probably the ones that you know or are talking about. They just go with whatever the culture is telling them to do (I think out of too much Fe and not using Ti enough) - so they tend to be the SJW/NPC type. I've thought to myself before that it's like there are two distinct camps of INFJ - probably also depends on Enneagram type.
@@AllieB-11.11 I'm not familiar with any INFJs into conspiracy theories but the ones I do know do question what is happening in politics and mainstream. I wont rule it out that INFJs can be into conspiracy theories but I just havent seen it and can only speak from my experience. I tend to stay away from conspiracy areas especially on youtube because some of the theorists can be dangerously delusional OCD stalkers. I had one put me on his "hit list". Think he finally got arrested or institutionalized as he has been silent on youtube for a long time now. But you do make a good point about Ti wanting to critique and look deeper into things. I can see that. I just find many conspiracy theorists aren't objective enough and can be delusional. I think there is a scale from an objective person looking into a matter to get to the truth which is a very Ti thing to do and then going to the far end of delusional OCD where your theories are leading you versus the facts leading you.
@Demon Windu Ive suspected ISJ s to be into conspiracy theories and being preppers. SJs worried about change. Many enneagram 6 which can lead to high anxiety and worry. Some people can be OCD on health matters. More likely to be self preservation first and possibly type 1 or 6 can be OCD about it. Or possibly type 3 if its more of an image matter than actual health matter. NTPs can take on a nihilistic, live life to the fullest, go out in a blaze of glory, dont give a fuck, let's have a good time while the world burns lifestyle. Probably more of a type 7 sx thing to do. NTP who is sp type 5 or 1 would probably be less risk taking. I'm more health conscious because I have to be if I want a better quality of life due to diagnosed medical conditions dealing with irregular blood sugars etc. I think my mom is ESFP type 7. She didnt give a fuck about her health and is now in a nursing home with dementia, disabled by broken foot in a wheel chair before she was 65 etc. Type 7s dont give a fuck til their quality of life is effected and they lose their freedom. Then they start questioning shit. I love type 7s upbeat humor and positive good time attitude but it can be a double edged sword.
I don't know if he mentioned it somewhere or not but I've been under the impression that he's INTJ for a while now.
:) Dave & Shan mention explicitly that they identify as INTJ & ENTJ, and elaborate according to the criteria defined within their system.
Yeah I definitely see DSP as an Ni Te type. Definitely not Fe oriented.
I agree but INFJs arent Fe oriented to begin with. Did someone claim he is ENFJ?
No but INFJs do have solid Fe, they are decently Fe oriented, especially competed to the INTJ.
@@SpaceyNYC I thought we were Intuition-oriented.
Telemahos Telemahou yeah INFJs are primarily intuition oriented, but I’m just saying they have a solid amount of Fe to go along with it.
He never said he was. He said himself he's an INTJ but who uses his Fi a lot.
Ni Fi = NF so somewhat right..........
Hmm I can't see this guy as INFJ - too sure of himself and cocky or something. Also isn't he using Te as per j4yn1ck5's comment - empirical studies blah blah - plus he thinks you can't see yourself objectively (25:00) but would a Ti user think that? Something about this guy irritates me.
Allie B Precisely. Have you seen his video on Ti? After watching it I unsubscribed. His Te is unbearable and too sure of his subjective “objectivity”. Just because two people after a long process come to the same conclusion, doesn’t validate the methodology as correct (or maybe flat earthers are correct). Has the same problem that C.S Joseph has with his concept of shadow, meaning is unable to make a meaningful distinction between what a function stack is and how it can vary. Creating this weird semi Types, that are mostly just mistypes and then rationalises afterwards saying something like: Blast-Play reversed squared with subdued Fi (a bit of hyperbole for rhetorical purposes). If you don’t define your terms precisely and explain the mechanism that govern functions (namely that functions have mutually repressive natures because we cannot attend to two of them at the same time, like Se-Ne or Te-Fe), the whole endeavour is circular.
- Allie, You're so right about all his Te stuff like empirical studies, science, authorities like CIA, FBI (especially the latter 2 have nothing to do with INFJ's)
@@Outofontology Yes..I totally agree with that. I find his videos highly unbearable too. I watched them because possibly they could contain some useful information, but it's just so often so incorrect...
@@Outofontology I'm curious how consistant his system is with itself. First he assumes it's possible that the second and third functions can be reversed in an individual. Ok, let's go with that. He says this is the case fo 'half' of the indiduals. Ok, does not seem likely to be exactly half of the people, but still let's go with it to assume that's true too. However, now what are exactly the rules that dictate how his system works or can work? If functions like the second and third can be flipped, then it would be consistant to assume other function locations can be flipped too, as it assumes the possibly of functions flipping order in the first place is something that is possible. Can the 3th and 4th or second and first functions also be flipped? If not, why not? If yes, then what are the rules which functions can be flipped in which order and why? It's unclear (at least to me - but I might not be informed well enough) what exactly dictates how the rules work on a macro level of the system he -convieniently made up- scientifically and objectively researched in his professional research lab with stricly using professionals with expertise, who stricly use objective methods of testing ...blabla
@d brown So you're INFJ?
I think Dave is an INTJ. He's too sarcastic and unneccesarily rude/condescensing (even though I sense it's to cover up an insecurity). So no Fe as a second function. His wife is also an ENTJ, and there is ZERO chance an INFJ would ever marry an ENTJ
(-INFJ)
To me, an INTJ too, he looks kinda unnecessarily rude. I didn't think of insecurities though.
DSP talks a lot but never actually says anything. I constantly have to replay his videos over and over in sections because i cant understand a word the man says and he never explains anything. He has a general overview of everything which makes what he says so damn hard to follow.
I have to agree with most of the comments that he is an intj. He is so in ur face with “this is how u have to do this” which seems very Te. Also, ive noticed that some intj have this tunnel vision and cant always see the Ti implications outside of that. Which drives me nuts sometimes. And this dude has that vibe of this is how it is as long as u are going down the same exact road im going on and dont pay attention to the contradictions
Yes...he's INTJ I think. Just follow HIS instructions and do not think too long about what he says so you won't notice the consistant contradictions. Just follow the steps!
I will never directly lay my eyes upon my own eyes....in that sense, I cannot see myself in the way that others see me.....however, I can see myself in some sense.....the relation to the self is intrinsically different from the relation to others, due to perspective.....it may be the case that one can reflect upon one’s actions from a place of disinterested calculus, but not in real time as we are behaving and acting in self-interest, no?
Therefore, others have this interface of real-time reality to view our manifestation of being that we cannot have.....and even as we reflect upon ourself in the past, we are doing something that is still intrinsically different because it is ourself and not another person.......unless we assume Ti exists in a vacuum
You can’t in real time directly see yourself, but you can record yourself speaking/interacting with others like the owner of the channel we’re watching does. Watch those videos over, and try to be objective about what you see and how it can be perceived, journaling also helps, you start notice patterns in your thinking, and body language you can catch in real time later on.
OzzTonWentToSpace you behave differently in some fundamental way when you are aware that you are being recorded as opposed to when you are not, or when you are interacting with others out in the real world as opposed to in chat rooms
Still, there is a difference lying simply in the fact that it is a video from the past and not a being with which you are interacting in the present
Also there is the fact that it is you and not someone else. That will change the motivation for perceiving it, unless, as I said, you assume Ti exists in a vacuum
OzzTonWentToSpace ok, you can do this. You can try to be objective about yourself, but you’re going to tend to notice certain things that other people wouldn’t, and other people will notice things that you won’t.
OzzTonWentToSpace moreover, when you catch those patterns of behavior in real timer later on your manner of attention is diverted back to the one that they came from: attempt to objectively perceive the self......this will take energy away from the acting self and change the manner in which the self is acting and attending
You can’t really both perceive yourself disinterestedly and behave naturally in the present moment at the same time, can you? Other people have the advantage of being able to perceive you objectively as you are acting in real time, while not hindering your actions
Davesuper, intj infp coffee, and Meghan levota all together are like the Illuminati of RUclips typology
Kurtis1996 LOL this kinda accurate.
Female ENTP is that a threat 😂
@Female ENTP hey where's your spam?
Ha ha, correct. I enjoy listening to Meghan Lavota, but I cant listen to those others with their Te Fi. It just doesn’t resonate.
@Female ENTP I think they meant threat as in the local part-time specialists.
The difference in Dave’s approach is that he is not attempting to define a completely logically consistent taxonomy. He and his wife are trying to design a personality test that is consistent in its results, not in its logical understanding of what those results mean. They put the results at primary importance because that’s how psychological science views personality tests.
They’ve updated their test based on results and produced a spectrum of 512 different personalities, which they think happen to correlate with Myers Briggs, and use the functions as a way of explaining their findings, not as a way of explaining theories about cognitive functioning from impressions and observations. He and his wife get the same type when typing someone 90% of the time out of the 512, and the people that they type as the same often look alike, even though they try not to consider that.
This is all coming from the video I posted
I do find your understanding of cognitive functions to be more satisfying, but it is certainly exciting that their test is able to achieve such results, and interesting that their scientific approach has led them this far
Where can we find the obecjective, scientific proof of the 90% claim?
PowerRedBull there is none, as far as I know. Dave states that in an interview, which I posted in another comment
Then what is there?
PowerRedBull you can find out through the link I posted
@@ilikepizza123100 Maybe I'm not getting it..but I do not see al ink anywhere? Where does one find that?
*INTJ for following reasons*
- He has a *high trust and values authorities* (Te) such as CIA/FBI/science/etc
- Explains the user what to do, on a *step by step basis* : Te get-shit-done
- His videos are called 'classes' where he's the teacher/expert basically ( *hierarchy* , clear role difference)
- He assumes the *self is not objective* (his introverted Fi is indeed far from objective)
- His presentation of his videos are made *to be effective* with good graphics, short time span, scripted, edited (very Te/Ni)
- *Subtile differences are ignored* and statements are made which are just in a broad sense true, but ignores the tons of cases where statements are not true (so no Ti)
I don't think a lot of this is true. For example, I'm an intj, and I don't trust authority for authority's sake. That's a fallacy. Any careful thinker knows that. I dont think science has all the answers. It only knows what it can prove. How can we say what isn't proved isn't true? We can't, so I think things not proved by science can be (but are not necessarily) true. What else?
Objectivity? Why does anything have to be objective to be true? How do you know objective equals truth? You don't. What do you mean by objective? An object? The self as an object? Or the self is truth? You've made a broad statement, my friend. You must therefore have Te, no?
I make broad statements. But who doesn't? No word can get to the intricacies of the 'this' we are trying to get at.
Intjs are careful thinkers. Please recognize that. Te is careful. It is actually self-doubting. What is true is what can perceived. That is the Te motto. I don't believe things that cannot stand up to rigorous testing. Science even falls in the face of such testing.
Overall, I'm just surprised that so many people think an intj, an nt, can be, in its nature, so naive.
@@kxm3834
"INTJ's are careful thinkers"
No, INTJ's think they are careful thinkers. From my perspective they are kind of reckless thinker's. They limit their thinking to "good enough to be functional". They have huge blind spots in planning past that.
@@grimsong2237 I agree with this. We aren't going to have refined Ti thought systems. But you say "good enough to be functional." Yes. But thoughts have to complete a difficult job. They have to be truthful. I don't have beliefs that don't work, that don't keep working, and by work, I mean stay consistent with truth.
@@kxm3834
Unless of course you do and don't know it. Because you are getting the results you want it doesn't mean you are getting them for the reasons you think.
@@grimsong2237 Lol reasons?! I have Fi, forget your reasons
He’s INTJ. If you type him just based on his scripted videos he planned out, high chance you’ll type him wrong. I first thought ENTP :p
MBTI is a rabbit-hole for insecure no-life people. Most of them end up finding a way out and moving on; some will dig in their heels because they are delusional guru-status seeking individuals.
NEVER pay them too much money or attention...or even worse: both at once! :)
Are you completely sure that "condemning stuff you don't understand via completely unsubstantiated claims" isn't the rabbit-hole for insecure no-life people?
@@Talkingwithfamouspeople Thanks for the head-up.
The only thing I'm completely sure of is that nothing is certain and everything is change. Which is why digging MBTI left and right is a rabbit-hole that sucks in people who have no solid anchor in real life.
That said, I understand that many people on YT jump on the opportunity to make their bread and butter out of it. I'm only cautioning those who naively believe they will get straight time-proof answers out of MBTI. :)
33:08, booty 100% of the time without fail
It seems like the Ni users are all friends with each other. I think it has less to do with Te. In my experience learning mbti from all the you tubers, where there are big differences lie with the ne/si users vs the Ni/se users. The other thing I want to note is that Dave during class sessions is clearly an Fi user. He doesn't seem concerned with the group or how he is perceived in the group. In fact he is an asshole at times. Sarcastic and direct. He calls himself a selfish asshole and it's a running joke. I'm not here to defend him but only to bring truth. He either is an Fi user or he is acting like an Fi user during his class sessions.
OK, like I said, it's hard to type someone from scripted stuff. I concede my typing of him is tenuous.
Dave did an interview with Frank James (Another big RUclips typology Guy) you can find it on SoundCloud pretty sure.
Interesting side not, Frank James is in a relationship with that INFJ girl Pucokie you type policed the other day
FJ said they split up.
Allie B fuck bud, that’s how she goes
I think you're initial comment stating ENTP's should be able to objectively see and type themselves because they have Ti, is due to the fact that as you said, you are very self-critical and have had the opportunity to observe yourself very carefully. This wasn't the case for me. I now know I'm an ENTP but the first two times I took MBTI tests I would mistype as ISTJ... It was until I took the test with my girlfriend that she encouraged me to see things in me that allowed me to figure out I was not being honest. As an ENTP I take pride in being Ti objective but I couldn't see I wasn't objective with myself... My mind would trick me to think I'm organized because I've organized a couple times, To think I'm focused when I really jump from idea to idea... To think I'm introverted when actually I love discussing/debating and It's just hate small talk and have low tolerance for incompetence in others. My point is, in my particular case Dave's advice did work.
Hi Eric,
is there a reason that you do not utilize OBS scenes when recording your videos? Using these could be a fairly simple change to improve the presentation of your videos.
It would be trivial to even just add a transparent, always-top-level, type police badge to your input sources.
The reason: He's an ENTP...about the least organized type there is
@@PowerRedBullTypology
How dare you! 😉
I see your terms don't match with his understanding and vice versa. He has typed himself as an INTJ according to his understanding. Looks like it'd be fun to see you typing him according to yours.
He talks in terms of "we"
Linda berens said we is for Fe.
ENTPs absolutely can self-evaluate. However, I have the feeling that most other types won’t believe that.
I find DSP pretty grating on the nerves in a way that is usually reserved for NTJ types (e.g. CS Joseph). You’ve peaked my curiosity about whether he’s an NFJ, though. I’ve noticed that NFJs routinely qualify what they’re saying by using phrases like “this may just be me” or “ not everyone may agree, but”. DSP doesn’t do that. He just puts his blanket one-size-fits-all assertions out there, which is definitely Ni, but also seems Te rather than Fe to me. Thoughts?
Do you think Meghan Levota is enfj?
Her reactions when people do not agree with her seems very Fi-ish, such as feeling personally attacked, implying to know your intentions, lacking Ti-reason, not acknolowledging her shortcomings in interactions with others etc etc etc....
PowerRedBull I think she is just very insecure of her Ti. Dominant Fe types tend to get very defensive when their inferior is threatened or called into question. They’re very sensitive of it.
She is such an Enfj.
Yes, I absolutely do think she is ENFJ (although I’m pretty sure you weren’t asking me, lol).
@ lockson In her videos with her ENFP friend Crystal, they spend a good deal of time contrasting Crystal’s Fi with Meghan’s Fe. If Meghan were an ESFP, that couldn’t happen and be at all believable.
Also, more importantly, she’s using Ti, which is an ESFP’s blind spot.
To me he seems INTJ. He follows me actually and has typed me as ISFP through watching my vids.
I like his vids maybe his Te seems Fe it serves the tribe
Dave considers himself to be a Ni Fi... which is something that contradicts almost everyone's opinion on how the functions work.
If I'm correct, Jung never said that a function had to be directly followed by it's opposite orientation. So there is open room for subtypes and jumpers, IMO.
Left or right, awe f it going straight! 😂😂😂
He's ESTJ
Given how irreverent he is to MBTI, and the fact that he is subbed to CIA/FBI, he probably is a subversive of some sort, although I don't understand why the MBTI community would be highlighted by TPTB for larpy interactions.
Interesting. He thinks he's an intj.
And FM
dave superpowers claims hes an intj
soundcloud.com/frank-james-552432266/6-dave-powers-aka-davesuperpowers-of-objective-personality
He talks about his type and take on mbti here
Also, it’s presumably a live interaction (an interview)
He’s an INTJ. You can’t type someone off one video of curated channel content.
his speech forceful (Te) af lol
I think that other RUclipsrs don't follow or interact with you for the most part because you do drugs on your videos. Not an attack, simply stating objectively.
It likely pulls down your likelihood of getting more subscribership
But I don't do drugs. I smoke weed. It really isn't an intoxicant in any meaningful sense, at least not for me.
@@Talkingwithfamouspeople are you and your perceptions the rest of the world?
@@Talkingwithfamouspeople I love your videos, some of the most informative on personality type, but just saying
No they aren't. Your point is totally valid. I'm just saying, that if that's the issue, then people are wrong, and shame on them.