*I find the stereotype of the Fe(doms/aux) being good salespeople quite an incorrect stereotype. I'm sure if they actually wanted to do that, they could indeed do it. However, to sell something requires a function higher than Fe to "dominante" their Fe, since Fe on itself does not want to sell people stuff all. Sales people tend to be tyes like ESTP's who have a third slot Fe which they combine with their fast paced/smooth Se in order say the right stuff at the right moment, and make a a sale in order to gain money for thsmevles. They pretty much use their Fe to serve their other functions who lead. The Fe types with high Fe (like ENFJ/INFJ) usually just want to help others, often at the expensive of themselves. So it's not about them making sales, but rather about giving away stuff, whether it's effort, money or whatever. while usually not getting much in return (maybe their Fe feels satisfied that they improved the emotion of the other person* ). *Who are usually sales people? Usually these typical ones are guys. Fe doms are really rare among men (statistically), so if sales people were actually Fe doms, it would make sense more women would actually be sales people. However, most are men* .
- PowerRedBull - As a Marketing Manager working with a sales team I agree. In my field sales people also need to be able to negotiate. ESFJ’s are good account managers as their strength is to build a relationship with a customer but if they have to negotiate they can become really uncomfortable and give away too much. The ISFJ’s I work with in sales do OK. ExTP’s do well. I also have good experiences with ESTJ’s in sales. They don’t Fe but it’s their professionalism as a counterpart to the customer which is appreciated. They move forward until the contract is signed.
I think people with altruistic tendencies tend to want to help people, while people with selfish tendencies tend to not want to self sacrifice to help others. I don’t think this has anything to do with functions. It’s a realm outside of functions...it’s a persons own morals/values, which everyone has their own unique ones. -ISTJ
@@MissRainaRose I agree everyone has unique morals/values. However, it seems contradictive to assume they have absolutely no rerelation to functions. Typology is all about the correlation of traits, functions and types, so just throwing a certain tendency/trait out of the equation, seems very illogical to me Indeed everyone is unique, which means they're not exactly the same. This does not mean certain patterns are not emerging when looking at it from a marco level. If someone would state that "men are typically taller than women", the statement is true from a broad perspective. However, in reality everyone has a 'unique' height. I'm curious why you want to throw this specific thing out of typology. I can partly understand it, as it's a very Fi-statement, since it involves the typical "Fi-everyone-is-unique" tendency. What makes morals and values different from all the other things in typology, which *are* included in type?
@@Diaming787 Manipulating others is very useful skill. Of course you wont need to go all in with an Fe. Just good enough. I think that Fi what limits you how openly you can discuss about wide arrange of topics and therefore limits your way of finding a best solution. Never been issue for me -ENTP
@@Diaming787 honestly i might have Fe (either INTP or INFJ) and it felt evil when someone (who chose INTJ when we double tied on a personality test in psych class) decided to like me for an unknown reason, so the best I could do was make sure she didn't hurt because of me.. Apparently INTJs really like that (i think?) and it was terrible next year when I got too tired to work properly anymore. funny situation.
Now the behavior of my mom makes sense. She fits the INTJ. Half the time she is oblivious of how her words (logical usually) and her emotions have a cause and effect on others. You have to tell her in a calm way that her tone and delivery was not sensitive. Then , two days later she comes back and apologizes because she has reflected on her experience.
It would be interesting to hear more about ISTJ and INTJ Fe blindspot! As an INTP it's kind of hard, because I adapt and appear as if I'm in with the group, but really, I'm not always being myself, or feeling unable to lean into the general feeling of others. But I'm good at analysing and discussing Fe matters, for example talking with friends about how the vibe in the group was. I just can't always participate without getting too caught up in my own head.
Seems like they don't naturally (might see through MBTI) see that there's such a thing as a communal emotional atmosphere in the first place. I think ISTJs can get by through their Si internalization of social norms and INTJs can get by through their Ni prediction of individuals' intentions but rarely does this translate to a "warm and fuzzy" demeanor in group dynamics.
So it's just INFP coffee now? Also I think quality of information is what matters here instead of video quality. That's more my INFJ Fe accepting the the atmosphere and Ti child being more concerned about learning and education. In short, good job Calypso and I also love your outfit . Very cute and it makes you look pretty! :D
Thanks! :) I guess so. Much rather we do it together but I have to accept her decision. And oh as an Se polr person I'm like the least aware of and concerned about presentation/aesthetics but I've come to terms that it's very important to a huge group of people, so I should at least address it.
I think so! Fi is very much personal style and ways of doing things, but I think Se is more objective quality/aesthetics/comfort while Ne is more the idea of something. So it's definitely possible an INFP might value "the idea of quality/luxury" which makes things a bit more confusing. In terms of dressing, I like fashion ideas that might remind me of certain characters or eras but I often don't notice the quality of fabrics, even when they're too rough/scratchy!
i wanna know SO BAD about Fi in all positions! I'm an ESTP and my lowest used function is Fi so I wanna learn more about it, even though I don't prefer it!
Wonderful video, as an INFJ, my codominant Fe is worn "on my sleeve," and often takes control. That is exhausting, especially when it's hard to control and tolerate emotionally. I am especially disappointed when the arbitrariness of life causes a unexpected negative effect on the outcome of the person or situation I was arduously working to influence. Your explaining Fe by cognitive position paired with the types was absolutely eye-opening and telling, for someone who views life through "Fe goggles!" Thank you and good luck with your series. I'll be watching! Btw, your solo presentations are truly transformative, in a very positive way.
Oh wow this makes so much sense for all the people I know who I think I've typed accurately, great video! I've been all over the place trying to figure out my type but lately I've realized I'm probably INFP (which was my original typing before doing the typical Ne "make an argument for all types" thing, lol) and what you said here about Fe in INFPs was scarily accurate. Any time someone tries to influences my feelings I'm just like nope, I'm gonna dig my heels in even harder now. And what you said about INTJs/ISTJs is so funny. My friend is an ISTJ and I constantly have people asking me if she doesn't like them or something because she comes across as really harsh/blunt and unintentionally offensive and I'm just like "omg nooo she doesn't mean it, she doesn't even realize she's doing it!"
INTP here, how do I work/train my Fe? I'm so tired of being socially awkward. I'm usually not awkward but when I am people don't understand why all of a sudden i've become so awkward.
So accurate for my INTP brother! My dad and sister are ESFJ and my other brother is ENFJ. He’s most critical of those three, definitely the overcompensation due to him not immediately understanding the social nuances! And I think it’s accurate for INFP. I’m so quick to assume people are being inauthentic or even manipulative. I get stubborn and, like you said, go deeper into my bubble.
I find this to be an extremely accurate representation of Fe, and I usually disagree with how people interpret it. It's not my favorite function though, I kind of hate having it lol, but I appreciate its value all the same. I honestly find your explanations of the cognitive functions to be some of the most articulate and accurate, so I love your stuff. But my views on how the unconscious functions work line up with C.S. Joseph's models based on my personal experience. I don't think Fe-Ti can actually simulate Fi... like, not even a little bit. I'd love it if they did sometimes! I really feel like Fi is irreplaceably Fi and Fe is Fe. Fe-Ti users could really benefit from tapping into Fi and can, even if it takes a lot of work and effort (and therapy). I personally think it's extremely harmful to an Fe-Ti user if they ignore their Fi their entire lives or don't think they're capable of it. I think you're a lot more adept at Fe than you think, even if it's not your natural priority. - 4w5 INFJ
4w5 INFJ as well. Greetings! It is insanely harmful to "avoid" Fi for an INFJ. Anyone really, but having it as a sixth function, knowing the "role" it plays, it is no longer an option. There is a lot of guilt and shame in an INFJs Fi, many a times, and those are veeery low vibrating emotions in the human being, very damaging to anyone.
@Fu Fu I totally agree! You simply can not have it all, which makes everything relative. I also think it's so much easier to see the flaws in functions you have yourself (and their downsides). Before knowing the types, I totally took my independant thinking and convidence in that field as a given. I had no clue others had more issue on that level, because it did not seem worth thinking about it. I think types with good Fe might also not notice how comfortable it is to have decent Fe. My Fe sucks and in groups it really sucks to have 4th slot Fe. Ti is a pretty worthless function in social scenario's. I can only use my Ne in groups, which is a more comfortable and usable function in these situations (be witty/be goofy), but since it's not my first function, it does drain me out. I can get that an INFJ get's drained out the same way by using Fe, since it's also their second function. You can use it, but the "supply" is much more limited of the function than if it were ones first function. Also, I can totally get why Fe users can get tired of Fe because they're constantly giving away something, while often not getting (as) much in return. I personally love the Fe function in others, because it's my inferior I guess (INTP too). It's like the sun to me which warms me up. While I'm also more interested in human behaviour, marketing and what (also not stuff like physics - fortunately) , I can understand it and try to emulate it to some extend (also it's my inferior, so I do have it somewhere), but I will never be as fluent in it as an Fe dom or aux user or even close. I think for types with high Fe it's so important to surround themselves with others who give something back to them. For example, my gf (ENFJ - so Fe dom) was drained to death by her INFP ex boyfriend who was Fi-ing most of the time and was too self absorbed for an Fe dom like her. It totally drained her out. They were both aimed on him. He with his Fi and she with her Fe. This created so much imbalance that it took her more than a year to just find herself back again. So i'd advice any type with high Fe to seek another who at least provides enough to them, be it Fe or anything else they seek. My gf likes some Fe but mostly craves Ti, which I find easy to give to her because it comes to effortlessly to me. We both find our types an incredibly rewarding match (INTP + ENFJ).
Fu Fu I agree with this! I also think to a large degree that our cognitive functions are more indicative of nurture and what we depended on for survival than who we are at our core or what our potentials are. Sometimes we are adept at one thing but prioritize another in the external world due to what was required in development. Sometimes, but there are certainly cases without conflict, resistance, or trauma in development where this doesn’t apply!
Hi! Thanks for your encouraging words :) Interestingly, I think as a "lead judger" (Fi), I tend to have a definite but changeable position on things rather than keeping it open, which I think is more characteristic of lead perceivers until they really settle on something. I think I actually need more information and experience to formalize my viewpoint on the shadow functions, though my lead-Jness always tips the scales in one direction or the other haha. Your thoughts about your own Fe and Fi are interesting! I just feel like my "Fe" is a combo of my other functions and Alex feels the same, but we could be wrong about that or there could actually be some combo action going on but also subconscious Fe undercurrents that I don't even perceive/misperceive.
I'm a highly sensitive INTJ, so it's a little different for me. It makes me feel similar to the INFP/ISFP. I can feel the external emotional atmosphere, and I have no desire to influence it. I also don't like when someone tries to influence my emotions. I get upset, actually. I'm not harsh at all, but people get offended when I miss a social protocol I wasn't aware of. If someone is sad or angry and I know the emotion will pass, I let the person be. However, I can sense when someone is stressed and needs help thinking through a problem. That's when I will help, and I will choose my words wisely.
first of all, this LOOK 💗 and agreeing with u about not knowing consciously that we affect the environment! i consider myself self-aware, but the awareness that i do this seems to be (ironically) a blind spot for me! i tend to conceive of it as “being good enough” instead 😅
Hahaha yes! When I was little I was like doesn't everyone have strong emotions about everything that affects their decisions and viewpoints on everything!?
What's a pretty interesting observation is that since you're doing this alone, the channel seems to be less Ne and more Ni, in the sense that it seems to have a more defined sense of direction and structure that seems more prepared. One would expect more Ne and less NI, since you're an Ne type and the Ni type (INTJ Alex) is not here anymore. EDIT: good point in your other reply that youré a lead judger of course, which could explain the sense of direction. indeed
Wonderful job, as always! I've been watching your channel for quite sometime now, and have been following the news of Alex's leaving from the channel. I can't simply believe it...your content is of course as thought-provoking and beautifully explained as always but it simply still quite hurts. Perhaps it's because I'm an INFP. My Fi-Si is suffocating me. I wish we were able to understand/hear her reason of leaving. She was a very interesting, thoughtful person and I'm glad that she, as an introverted intuitive with a tertiary Fi, decided to do such thing that might not come easily, specially for a type 5. Again, I'm sure you're more than capable of doing great on your own! We support you! I hope you survive the Te waves of responsibility :)
If INFP's heart/passion s into doing something, then usually they do not have a difficult time to achieve stuff at all. In fact, they can ("suddenly") put an effort in it that you normally do not see in them, which even more types than types who generally always do their best. I find that difference at least very typical for INFP's. Passion for something = 200% effort No passion for something = 20% effort
@@PowerRedBullTypology Of course. But passion is like a Sine function for us INFPs. It's quite wavy and unreliable sometimes. But we can manage to do great things in the maximum points of our passions, even for a short while ;)
Very informative video and your observations sure seem to make sense for the types I am aware of. I am INFP and I do see and feel Fe in others and can detect instantly if they are using it to manipulate me which results in my judging them accordingly. When I try to do the same with Fe it does not work well and seems fake. I need to use my Fi as a sort of simulation of Fe so it is authentic. As far as what you said about the subconscious functions (5-8) not existing for the person-I need to think about this. Doesn't make sense. The human brain is formulated generally to accommodate all functions the way I see it. We are just better at some than others.
This was interesting and helpful. I am now pretty positive that I am an ISFP (a result I have received fairly often in tests) and that my husband is an ENTP (he doesn't care much about this stuff).
Wow, now that's an uncommon combination. Also it would be far more logical that he's interested than you (since mostly N's are into this stuff). However, introverts more often than extro's . Does that combination work? Why do you think he's an an intuitive an intuitive and you're not?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Well, based on how extraverted intuition is described versus introverted intuition, he definitely has Ne, and I have Ni. But I know I don't lead with it nor am I terrible at it. Then, considering extraverted feeling versus introverted feeling was also an easy thing to figure out; he has Fe, I have Fi. I wondered for a while if his extraverted feeling was above his extraverted intuition or not, but this video's description of extraverted feeling in the third position makes a lot more sense for how he is than if it were in the first position. For me, it's also become obvious to me from other videos on this channel and my other research that I have extraverted sensing as opposed to introverted sensing, but I also know that my Se isn't first nor is it last because I am rather aware of sensory input. Plus, how the second position is described leads me to believe that the first and third functions work together more frequently, the loop you can get stuck in so to speak. Fi-Ni just makes sense with how I am. I also know that I have extraverted as opposed to introverted thinking and that I'm not good at using it naturally. So, it's last. So, that order of functions means I am an ISFP. As for my husband, yes, our personality types are quite different, but we both like deep conversations and have a lot of the same geeky interests; one of mine being MBTI but it's not his--he doesn't dislike personality tests, he just doesn't actively seek them out like I do because there are a lot of other things he'd rather do. Anyway, he's definitely an extravert in terms of being outgoing for sure, but he's also an extravert in MBTI because he leads with an extraverted function, and I am the opposite, an introvert for both reasons. Also, while I don't understand introverted thinking too well, I do know that my husband isn't an ENTJ, leading with extraverted thinkin, so with the functions he has and the order they appear to be in, he must be an ENTP. Besides, I figured out a while ago that we are both perceivers (P) and not judgers (J).
Hope you make this a "series" for all functions. Love to share it with some of my close friends who aren't "as into it" as I am but still interested enough and do apply it more and more. You are just waaaay better at getting things across than I am. I tend to get into my Ni eh... bubble of explaining these things from perspectives, I catch myself doing it almost every single time, and they are not really getting a profound experience from it I feel as it isn't understandable for them haha, my words can't assimilate the experience and understanding I have to others, without trying to "teach this stuff" consciously.
I am feel like I'm less Fe blind than an INTJ normally would be and it makes me doubt my type. But then I also realize that I'm kind of insecure and LOOKING for whether I've done something that might drive away people I care about. I also have loads of customer service training (ugh). Plus was forced by family and religion into a sort of Fe aware mold. So I'm not sure if this is a question of learned behavior or what. INTJ otherwise seems to be a very accurate fit for me. I resent and get thoroughly exhausted and aggravated by doing Fe ish things but I'm not totally blind (but I think I used to be.. Hard to say, now). Thoughts? I'm in my 30s and female if it helps.
Oof... Man, we ISTJs try so hard to be the optimal person, and based on this observation of yours (which is totally accurate), we still fail. Maybe that's why we tend to fall into undiagnosed depression more than the Feeling types?
As an INTP, my Fe has been so negative in my life that I shut it off when i'm out with others because I get anxious and paranoid, but later I reflect and feel bad that I'm not doing my best to add to harmony. Basically I've been rejected from tribes so many times that I get overwhelmed with impending doom just observing people and sensing vibes. Ironically my coping mechanism is just to let my Ne and Ti run wild and deep talk with individuals as much as possible in group settings, which I'm actually quite good at. Although I overshare and overexplain. This makes me more annoying in groups and even less people like me. I just hate the Ti-Si cycle of analysing how my current rejection is taking place I get in when I feel left out or suppressed even more than just speaking whenever I want. If I'm in that cycle I don't want to be around people, i'd rather stay home and I zone out, and my poor Fe and Se means I don't even automatically nod, so everyone knows i'm not listening and I seem like a massive drag to everyone who uses Fe or whose Fi has no time for their perception of me. If it is extra bad, my demon Fi takes over from Ti and I start to destroy the tribe for hurting me. I think I feel like they don't care (usually true) so why should they get to have their positive environment when I'm not included or looked out for?
Very Good. Fi Auxiliary Fe 6th position ESFP, social charm a revelation for me. Yes as 5th position Fe, I doubt Dominant and Auxiliary Fe Authenticity. 😊 ❤Thanks
Someone help. Okay so I can't read my own emotions, I never know what I feel, I don't know my values either, they change a lot. I am always feeling bad for others and worrying about what they think of me, I am constantly trying not to stuff up anything, I am scared when others are mad at me. I want to fit in with others and understand others but I really want to understand myself but I can't idk how too. I am bad at comforting others and bad at comforting myself. Emotions make me feel awkward but I do cry a lot and get emotional, Idk why I do, I never know when I'm in the right or wrong either. I often write down my thoughts and come back to them later searching for a label to put them under so I don't feel so alone and trapped. I'm not much of a deep thinker, but I am an overthinker, big deep ideas hurt my mind and make me very very stressed giving me headaches. But I overthink everything and worry constantly about everything...it gives me a headache. I spent years trying to read other peoples bodylanguage and social cues, I was told I had autism at 5 and mum thought I sucked at reading social cues, so I trained myself on my computer everyday with bodylangauge and other stuff. I now obsess over peoples bodylanguage and their tone, I am worried someone hates me based on a slightly change in their tone or whatever...I obsess over people but I still can't comfort others or help them with their own problems cause I'm stuck in my own and need to figure out mine...but I try to figure out mine through theres... I never get my emotions but when I'm sad, I have to talk it out to my brother, or vent it out online, I can't handle the emotion intensity in my brain by myself, I need someone else to help explain. I'm an idiot in my opinion, most things go over my head and I don't notice things until days later, I draw everyday and never notice my own drawing mistakes until a week later, I get overexcited and post the art online but instantly feel the need to take it down once I realize how much mistakes are in it but at first I get overexcited and do dumb impulsive things. When I read one article about infj today, I got excited cause I resonated with it and I was so happy but then an hour later I realized that its just one interpretation of infj I read, and its not all so what is all, whats hte true meaning of infj..who knows how do I figure it out, how do I even know if I use ni or ne or se or si as aux or dom..no freeking clue, I've been searching this stuff up since 2017, Ive got thousands of tabs open and windows open about mbti and the thought of mbti never goes away, which I guess obsessions with topics is ni?...but I see ne in me wtih some things like I come up with lyrics for songs on the spot...Idk guys am I doing this right?..all this thinking really hurts my head. I was thinking maybe I just am an adhd disorganized infj...or maybe its my social anxiety making me care for others over myself and I really am just an infp. Well I don't care for others over myself, I just want to know if I'm doing the right thing, Ive been abandoned in the past and replaced so often that I have no clue what I'm doing and I don't trust my own ideas...is this maybe fi-si loop no clue?....ah this hurts my head so much...who am I , how do do I know who I am. How many people am I annoying right now, I really wish I knew. I just want to know. Its even harder, because as I write this, yeah I may be like this right now, but the next day my thoughts may be different again. I can't figure out my myers briggs type cause theres just too many things in each type I relate too and too many different interpretations. Id say I'm by functions infj but by other im infp?..but no its just all wrong...heck maybe I'm istp but just an emotional once..is that even possible? Does anyone else see my huge dilema...what am I doing!?... Do you guys think I'm INFP or INFJ or some other type completely. To add on, I also am quite observant and good at photography....but I'm just really confused on fi at the moment, I overnaliyize people and obsess over others..but I still care more about my own problems over theres... wtf./..wth
Hey I don't know you're still want some help but I see a lot of inferior Fe in this paragraph. I think you're either INTP or ISTP, I havent thought too much about it but I hope that helps.
I agree with Insop on the Fe function and on the T (thinking). I'm an INFP and I never cared if I fit in a group. I can relate to the overthinking and the worrying.
Only somewhat familiar with him. I'm sure he's super knowledgeable but I disagreed with too many of his celebrity typings (as well as his typing of himself...)
INTJ & INFP Coffee Yeah. I started off really enjoying his content but his typings are very questionable. He types people based on a few minutes of RUclips video interview footage which I see as lazy. Plus his subs pay for him to type a celebrity in his live chats. His Ne appears forced to me and overall he comes across as an extroverted judger. His teachings are not open-ended and he never admits to mistyping people. ENTPs just don’t behave this way.
I think he is an ENTP not an ENTJ. My mom and one of my close friends is an ENTP who have the same way of processing using cognitive functions. I know many ENTJs who are different from this and are not mistyped . They are by the book ENTJs who act and think differently.
I relate a lot to inferior Fe and a little with auxilary Fe, but inferior seems glaring. The only thing I relate about auxilary Fe is the disappointment of not using Fe. But even then, it's usually fleeting, and is probably Ne putting ideas on my head. But Fe matters have required a lot of development via Ti, and considering I'm only in my last year of high school, it's kinda painful using it for too long. I also hate the stereotype that Fe in IxTPs makes them unemotional. I feel emotions as strongly, if not stronger than may others, yet I'm not good at expressing it. I often overcompensate by not letting others see my true feelings, often feelings of inadequacy and frustration of people taking my kindness for granted. "If I wanted to, I'd stay inside of my room all day, and yet I pit in the effort to make sure you're ok only to be overloaded with responsibility? Why are you taking advantage of how much I care? Why don't people respect me enough to give basic gratitude?!" On a related note, I feel like Arthur from the Joker movie was an INTP. He desperatley wanted to connect with others and make others smile. Yet he did this through the stilted lense if his Ti, which made him constantly take notes and recite Fe instead of letting it flow naturally. He wanted to be seen as a genius and a good soul, and he wanted to be seen as the person who truly cares, yet he was shunned, causing an outburst that lead to riots and deaths. "Everybody yells and screams at each other, nobody's CIVIL anymore!" That's inferior Fe to a T. Forsaking Ti to coddle a function that's faulty. Another example of the Fe grip personified is Charlie Brown: a young boy stuck on the affirmation of others while also completely missing certain social cues. I'm overanalyzing again, lol. That's what's on my mind, and those are the findings I've come to. I hope I'm at least somewhat accurate, lol.
I relate on quite a number of points u brought up. I can see myself doing what the joker did - take note on when people would laugh so that I can practice that part and be successful in relating with people And I am here to find out about auxiliary vs inferior Fe. I feel I use Fe so much, but it keeps going against me
Yes I have that problem sometimes thinking is someone dominant Te or dominant Fe . I think maybe dominat Fe users can appear dominant Te? They tend to be good at organizing.
Dominant Fe display itself very differntly from dominan Te. They're indeed good at organizing, but how they display it is so different. Dom Te is usually very direct and kinda cold. It's a bit businesslike. Dominant Fe is more like "motherly" and usuaslly kinda indirect. Dom Te tells what they want, while dom Fe usually heavily implies what they want. Dom Te appears way more masculine and dom Fe kinda feminine. I mean masculine/feminine in the normal way (so not the dave superpowers fucntions are feminine or masculine way). Fe dom males usually have a somewhat feminine way of displaying themselves, while Te doms act kinda "businesslike" and serious.
Anyone use Si, Se and Ti,Ne... to construct something like Fe? It seems that I do it this way. I may not notice a person's emotions until I pay attention to their facial expressions (I do this occasionally during a conversation). And keep monitoring their expressions is so exhausting. I thought I use Fe well but others often tell me I cannot identify their emotions correctly. But I do love seeing other people feeling happy, and I like a positive emotional atmosphere. I love comforting others. I feel sad after rejection and seduced by popularity.
As an INTJ I agree and disagree with your assessment on Fe blindspot. Yes, we’re usually oblivious to social norms and stuff, but only on our first interaction with it. Once we’ve experienced or observed a social norm, we become aware of it, and remember it for future reference. Whether we choose to follow the norm despite being aware of it is a different story however. If we see no downsides to following it, then we usually don’t mind, but if it goes against our Fi internal code and/or our Te efficiency, then we will knowingly ignore such norms.
You said you type people for your job. So does that mean you're an official MBTI diagnoser and get paid for it, or that diagnosing is helpful to you in some other job? Can you please explain?
I think IxTPs, especially INTPs, being the logicians we are, may tend to view Fe through a logical lense. We WANT to be accepted, we WANT tribe validation, almost more than anything, I'd add. But act on it through a logical, step by step process.
From the title, I thought this was going to be a Kama Sutra guide to MBTI haha 😆 okay, bad joke 🤐 Yeah, I am constantly irritated by people with "bad Fe." Conceptually, abstractly, I actually feel like I have a good understanding of it and am in tune with others emotions. However, I'll be the first to admit that, in person, in action, my words often don't come out right and I'm not very good at gracefully affecting the emotional climate or influencing people to like me. I feel like I can use Fe; it's just kind of clumsy. You're right, I do find myself criticizing others on Fe grounds -- not so much for simply being abrasive or socially inept, which would be somewhat hypocritical, but for not making the same effort I do to improve Fe -- for not even trying. As much as INTP + INTJ are touted as the "golden pair," I find that I am most annoyed by Fe blind people. They are just so clueless and self-defeating when it comes to how they affect others emotionally. 8th slot Fe can be pretty bad too. I can be suspicious of others' motivations/intentions behind their interactions at times, especially if it seems they're attempting manipulation. This is one of the reasons I've entertained the possibility of being INFP instead of INTP before. However, when I really stop and think about it, considering not just how I'm bothered by manipulation, but _who_ bothers me in that regard, I realize that almost all the people I feel this way about are Te-users, especially Te-doms. I see people confuse Te with Fe often enough, and it makes sense that being suspicious of Te could resemble a description of being suspicious of Fe. So it makes sense to me when I think about it, that I would have both inferior Fe issues and what seemed to be 5th slot Fe issues, because the latter was actually 5th slot Te issues from being Ti dominant rather than Fi dominant. At least that's my current theory. Question: You said you type a lot of people for your job. I'm curious what your job is. Unless you are referring to your typing service?
Ooh interesting. Perhaps you don't like to be manipulated by "the facts" or manipulated to change your mind about something that you've already logically internalized? My typing service is my full-time job now :)
You should do a video on Ti but like this. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts about Ti as an INFP.
*I find the stereotype of the Fe(doms/aux) being good salespeople quite an incorrect stereotype. I'm sure if they actually wanted to do that, they could indeed do it. However, to sell something requires a function higher than Fe to "dominante" their Fe, since Fe on itself does not want to sell people stuff all. Sales people tend to be tyes like ESTP's who have a third slot Fe which they combine with their fast paced/smooth Se in order say the right stuff at the right moment, and make a a sale in order to gain money for thsmevles. They pretty much use their Fe to serve their other functions who lead. The Fe types with high Fe (like ENFJ/INFJ) usually just want to help others, often at the expensive of themselves. So it's not about them making sales, but rather about giving away stuff, whether it's effort, money or whatever. while usually not getting much in return (maybe their Fe feels satisfied that they improved the emotion of the other person* ).
*Who are usually sales people? Usually these typical ones are guys. Fe doms are really rare among men (statistically), so if sales people were actually Fe doms, it would make sense more women would actually be sales people. However, most are men* .
- PowerRedBull - As a Marketing Manager working with a sales team I agree. In my field sales people also need to be able to negotiate. ESFJ’s are good account managers as their strength is to build a relationship with a customer but if they have to negotiate they can become really uncomfortable and give away too much.
The ISFJ’s I work with in sales do OK.
ExTP’s do well.
I also have good experiences with ESTJ’s in sales. They don’t Fe but it’s their professionalism as a counterpart to the customer which is appreciated. They move forward until the contract is signed.
@@baaf777 Cool to know my observation and idea was correct! Thanks for replying!
I think people with altruistic tendencies tend to want to help people, while people with selfish tendencies tend to not want to self sacrifice to help others. I don’t think this has anything to do with functions. It’s a realm outside of functions...it’s a persons own morals/values, which everyone has their own unique ones.
-ISTJ
@@MissRainaRose I agree everyone has unique morals/values.
However, it seems contradictive to assume they have absolutely no rerelation to functions. Typology is all about the correlation of traits, functions and types, so just throwing a certain tendency/trait out of the equation, seems very illogical to me
Indeed everyone is unique, which means they're not exactly the same. This does not mean certain patterns are not emerging when looking at it from a marco level.
If someone would state that "men are typically taller than women", the statement is true from a broad perspective. However, in reality everyone has a 'unique' height.
I'm curious why you want to throw this specific thing out of typology. I can partly understand it, as it's a very Fi-statement, since it involves the typical "Fi-everyone-is-unique" tendency. What makes morals and values different from all the other things in typology, which *are* included in type?
is it kind of like intp using their FE with Ti dom to kind of subvert conflict? idk how to explain but its almost like social engineering
Fe is not necessarily everyone's favourite function, though Im sure Fe types are usually popular.
I'm an... INFJ?... I think so, I'm not thaaat popular... I'm kinda glad of it
I'm an INTJ and Fe is the function I hate the most. So manipulative, inefficient for my Te, and hurtful for my Fi.
@@Diaming787 Manipulating others is very useful skill. Of course you wont need to go all in with an Fe. Just good enough. I think that Fi what limits you how openly you can discuss about wide arrange of topics and therefore limits your way of finding a best solution. Never been issue for me
-ENTP
@@Diaming787 honestly i might have Fe (either INTP or INFJ) and it felt evil when someone (who chose INTJ when we double tied on a personality test in psych class) decided to like me for an unknown reason, so the best I could do was make sure she didn't hurt because of me.. Apparently INTJs really like that (i think?) and it was terrible next year when I got too tired to work properly anymore. funny situation.
@@ploopybear what do you mean when you say unknown reason and if it really is unknown then how did you conclude that they like you?
Now the behavior of my mom makes sense. She fits the INTJ. Half the time she is oblivious of how her words (logical usually) and her emotions have a cause and effect on others. You have to tell her in a calm way that her tone and delivery was not sensitive. Then , two days later she comes back and apologizes because she has reflected on her experience.
It would be interesting to hear more about ISTJ and INTJ Fe blindspot! As an INTP it's kind of hard, because I adapt and appear as if I'm in with the group, but really, I'm not always being myself, or feeling unable to lean into the general feeling of others. But I'm good at analysing and discussing Fe matters, for example talking with friends about how the vibe in the group was. I just can't always participate without getting too caught up in my own head.
Seems like they don't naturally (might see through MBTI) see that there's such a thing as a communal emotional atmosphere in the first place. I think ISTJs can get by through their Si internalization of social norms and INTJs can get by through their Ni prediction of individuals' intentions but rarely does this translate to a "warm and fuzzy" demeanor in group dynamics.
Ooh, I'd love to see one of these for each of the other functions. Keep up the great work!
So it's just INFP coffee now? Also I think quality of information is what matters here instead of video quality. That's more my INFJ Fe accepting the the atmosphere and Ti child being more concerned about learning and education. In short, good job Calypso and I also love your outfit . Very cute and it makes you look pretty! :D
Thanks! :) I guess so. Much rather we do it together but I have to accept her decision. And oh as an Se polr person I'm like the least aware of and concerned about presentation/aesthetics but I've come to terms that it's very important to a huge group of people, so I should at least address it.
@@CasualCognition Is aesthetics not to a degree an FI thing? like it's something one could consider artistic?
I think so! Fi is very much personal style and ways of doing things, but I think Se is more objective quality/aesthetics/comfort while Ne is more the idea of something. So it's definitely possible an INFP might value "the idea of quality/luxury" which makes things a bit more confusing. In terms of dressing, I like fashion ideas that might remind me of certain characters or eras but I often don't notice the quality of fabrics, even when they're too rough/scratchy!
INTJ & INFP Coffee forgive me for asking an obvious question but why did you guys split up?
i wanna know SO BAD about Fi in all positions! I'm an ESTP and my lowest used function is Fi so I wanna learn more about it, even though I don't prefer it!
Count yourself very lucky, IMO its a curse.
Fi is your 7th
Your outfit is so cute! It suits you so much :)
Wonderful video, as an INFJ, my codominant Fe is worn "on my sleeve," and often takes control. That is exhausting, especially when it's hard to control and tolerate emotionally. I am especially disappointed when the arbitrariness of life causes a unexpected negative effect on the outcome of the person or situation I was arduously working to influence. Your explaining Fe by cognitive position paired with the types was absolutely eye-opening and telling, for someone who views life through "Fe goggles!"
Thank you and good luck with your series. I'll be watching!
Btw, your solo presentations are truly transformative, in a very positive way.
Oh wow this makes so much sense for all the people I know who I think I've typed accurately, great video! I've been all over the place trying to figure out my type but lately I've realized I'm probably INFP (which was my original typing before doing the typical Ne "make an argument for all types" thing, lol) and what you said here about Fe in INFPs was scarily accurate. Any time someone tries to influences my feelings I'm just like nope, I'm gonna dig my heels in even harder now. And what you said about INTJs/ISTJs is so funny. My friend is an ISTJ and I constantly have people asking me if she doesn't like them or something because she comes across as really harsh/blunt and unintentionally offensive and I'm just like "omg nooo she doesn't mean it, she doesn't even realize she's doing it!"
INTP here, how do I work/train my Fe? I'm so tired of being socially awkward. I'm usually not awkward but when I am people don't understand why all of a sudden i've become so awkward.
So accurate for my INTP brother! My dad and sister are ESFJ and my other brother is ENFJ. He’s most critical of those three, definitely the overcompensation due to him not immediately understanding the social nuances!
And I think it’s accurate for INFP. I’m so quick to assume people are being inauthentic or even manipulative. I get stubborn and, like you said, go deeper into my bubble.
I find this to be an extremely accurate representation of Fe, and I usually disagree with how people interpret it. It's not my favorite function though, I kind of hate having it lol, but I appreciate its value all the same. I honestly find your explanations of the cognitive functions to be some of the most articulate and accurate, so I love your stuff.
But my views on how the unconscious functions work line up with C.S. Joseph's models based on my personal experience. I don't think Fe-Ti can actually simulate Fi... like, not even a little bit. I'd love it if they did sometimes! I really feel like Fi is irreplaceably Fi and Fe is Fe. Fe-Ti users could really benefit from tapping into Fi and can, even if it takes a lot of work and effort (and therapy). I personally think it's extremely harmful to an Fe-Ti user if they ignore their Fi their entire lives or don't think they're capable of it. I think you're a lot more adept at Fe than you think, even if it's not your natural priority. - 4w5 INFJ
4w5 INFJ as well. Greetings! It is insanely harmful to "avoid" Fi for an INFJ. Anyone really, but having it as a sixth function, knowing the "role" it plays, it is no longer an option. There is a lot of guilt and shame in an INFJs Fi, many a times, and those are veeery low vibrating emotions in the human being, very damaging to anyone.
TheAwakenedINFJ I agree with you, and instantly feel understood by you lol! 😂✌🏻
@Fu Fu I totally agree! You simply can not have it all, which makes everything relative. I also think it's so much easier to see the flaws in functions you have yourself (and their downsides). Before knowing the types, I totally took my independant thinking and convidence in that field as a given. I had no clue others had more issue on that level, because it did not seem worth thinking about it. I think types with good Fe might also not notice how comfortable it is to have decent Fe. My Fe sucks and in groups it really sucks to have 4th slot Fe. Ti is a pretty worthless function in social scenario's. I can only use my Ne in groups, which is a more comfortable and usable function in these situations (be witty/be goofy), but since it's not my first function, it does drain me out. I can get that an INFJ get's drained out the same way by using Fe, since it's also their second function. You can use it, but the "supply" is much more limited of the function than if it were ones first function.
Also, I can totally get why Fe users can get tired of Fe because they're constantly giving away something, while often not getting (as) much in return. I personally love the Fe function in others, because it's my inferior I guess (INTP too). It's like the sun to me which warms me up.
While I'm also more interested in human behaviour, marketing and what (also not stuff like physics - fortunately) , I can understand it and try to emulate it to some extend (also it's my inferior, so I do have it somewhere), but I will never be as fluent in it as an Fe dom or aux user or even close.
I think for types with high Fe it's so important to surround themselves with others who give something back to them. For example, my gf (ENFJ - so Fe dom) was drained to death by her INFP ex boyfriend who was Fi-ing most of the time and was too self absorbed for an Fe dom like her. It totally drained her out. They were both aimed on him. He with his Fi and she with her Fe. This created so much imbalance that it took her more than a year to just find herself back again. So i'd advice any type with high Fe to seek another who at least provides enough to them, be it Fe or anything else they seek. My gf likes some Fe but mostly craves Ti, which I find easy to give to her because it comes to effortlessly to me. We both find our types an incredibly rewarding match (INTP + ENFJ).
Fu Fu I agree with this! I also think to a large degree that our cognitive functions are more indicative of nurture and what we depended on for survival than who we are at our core or what our potentials are. Sometimes we are adept at one thing but prioritize another in the external world due to what was required in development. Sometimes, but there are certainly cases without conflict, resistance, or trauma in development where this doesn’t apply!
Hi! Thanks for your encouraging words :) Interestingly, I think as a "lead judger" (Fi), I tend to have a definite but changeable position on things rather than keeping it open, which I think is more characteristic of lead perceivers until they really settle on something. I think I actually need more information and experience to formalize my viewpoint on the shadow functions, though my lead-Jness always tips the scales in one direction or the other haha. Your thoughts about your own Fe and Fi are interesting! I just feel like my "Fe" is a combo of my other functions and Alex feels the same, but we could be wrong about that or there could actually be some combo action going on but also subconscious Fe undercurrents that I don't even perceive/misperceive.
I LOVE you outfit + hair pin things!!
You’re doing well! The quality isn’t the problem! I am learning from the information you have
❤️ thank you
I'm a highly sensitive INTJ, so it's a little different for me. It makes me feel similar to the INFP/ISFP. I can feel the external emotional atmosphere, and I have no desire to influence it. I also don't like when someone tries to influence my emotions. I get upset, actually. I'm not harsh at all, but people get offended when I miss a social protocol I wasn't aware of. If someone is sad or angry and I know the emotion will pass, I let the person be. However, I can sense when someone is stressed and needs help thinking through a problem. That's when I will help, and I will choose my words wisely.
first of all, this LOOK 💗 and agreeing with u about not knowing consciously that we affect the environment! i consider myself self-aware, but the awareness that i do this seems to be (ironically) a blind spot for me! i tend to conceive of it as “being good enough” instead 😅
Hahaha yes! When I was little I was like doesn't everyone have strong emotions about everything that affects their decisions and viewpoints on everything!?
INFJ was so on point. Great job!
Great vid. Very helpful for me as an INTJ get to the root as to why I just don't understand Fe users at all!
What's a pretty interesting observation is that since you're doing this alone, the channel seems to be less Ne and more Ni, in the sense that it seems to have a more defined sense of direction and structure that seems more prepared. One would expect more Ne and less NI, since you're an Ne type and the Ni type (INTJ Alex) is not here anymore.
EDIT: good point in your other reply that youré a lead judger of course, which could explain the sense of direction. indeed
Wonderful job, as always!
I've been watching your channel for quite sometime now, and have been following the news of Alex's leaving from the channel. I can't simply believe it...your content is of course as thought-provoking and beautifully explained as always but it simply still quite hurts. Perhaps it's because I'm an INFP. My Fi-Si is suffocating me. I wish we were able to understand/hear her reason of leaving. She was a very interesting, thoughtful person and I'm glad that she, as an introverted intuitive with a tertiary Fi, decided to do such thing that might not come easily, specially for a type 5.
Again, I'm sure you're more than capable of doing great on your own! We support you! I hope you survive the Te waves of responsibility :)
If INFP's heart/passion s into doing something, then usually they do not have a difficult time to achieve stuff at all. In fact, they can ("suddenly") put an effort in it that you normally do not see in them, which even more types than types who generally always do their best.
I find that difference at least very typical for INFP's.
Passion for something = 200% effort
No passion for something = 20% effort
@@PowerRedBullTypology
Of course.
But passion is like a Sine function for us INFPs. It's quite wavy and unreliable sometimes. But we can manage to do great things in the maximum points of our passions, even for a short while ;)
Very interesting content. Keep up the good work.
This video was really useful. I really like your videos. They are really informative.
Very informative video and your observations sure seem to make sense for the types I am aware of. I am INFP and I do see and feel Fe in others and can detect instantly if they are using it to manipulate me which results in my judging them accordingly. When I try to do the same with Fe it does not work well and seems fake. I need to use my Fi as a sort of simulation of Fe so it is authentic. As far as what you said about the subconscious functions (5-8) not existing for the person-I need to think about this. Doesn't make sense. The human brain is formulated generally to accommodate all functions the way I see it. We are just better at some than others.
This was interesting and helpful. I am now pretty positive that I am an ISFP (a result I have received fairly often in tests) and that my husband is an ENTP (he doesn't care much about this stuff).
Wow, now that's an uncommon combination. Also it would be far more logical that he's interested than you (since mostly N's are into this stuff). However, introverts more often than extro's . Does that combination work? Why do you think he's an an intuitive an intuitive and you're not?
@@PowerRedBullTypology Well, based on how extraverted intuition is described versus introverted intuition, he definitely has Ne, and I have Ni. But I know I don't lead with it nor am I terrible at it.
Then, considering extraverted feeling versus introverted feeling was also an easy thing to figure out; he has Fe, I have Fi. I wondered for a while if his extraverted feeling was above his extraverted intuition or not, but this video's description of extraverted feeling in the third position makes a lot more sense for how he is than if it were in the first position.
For me, it's also become obvious to me from other videos on this channel and my other research that I have extraverted sensing as opposed to introverted sensing, but I also know that my Se isn't first nor is it last because I am rather aware of sensory input. Plus, how the second position is described leads me to believe that the first and third functions work together more frequently, the loop you can get stuck in so to speak. Fi-Ni just makes sense with how I am.
I also know that I have extraverted as opposed to introverted thinking and that I'm not good at using it naturally. So, it's last. So, that order of functions means I am an ISFP.
As for my husband, yes, our personality types are quite different, but we both like deep conversations and have a lot of the same geeky interests; one of mine being MBTI but it's not his--he doesn't dislike personality tests, he just doesn't actively seek them out like I do because there are a lot of other things he'd rather do. Anyway, he's definitely an extravert in terms of being outgoing for sure, but he's also an extravert in MBTI because he leads with an extraverted function, and I am the opposite, an introvert for both reasons. Also, while I don't understand introverted thinking too well, I do know that my husband isn't an ENTJ, leading with extraverted thinkin, so with the functions he has and the order they appear to be in, he must be an ENTP. Besides, I figured out a while ago that we are both perceivers (P) and not judgers (J).
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I'm so excited to hear back from you ladies about my video submission :-)
5:46 that's so Fi to do that ..lol
Thank you Calypso!! :) 5.47 almost got me laughing my tea out of my mouth :D
Hope you make this a "series" for all functions. Love to share it with some of my close friends who aren't "as into it" as I am but still interested enough and do apply it more and more. You are just waaaay better at getting things across than I am. I tend to get into my Ni eh... bubble of explaining these things from perspectives, I catch myself doing it almost every single time, and they are not really getting a profound experience from it I feel as it isn't understandable for them haha, my words can't assimilate the experience and understanding I have to others, without trying to "teach this stuff" consciously.
Yas!! I see the last minute now and you are continuing, awesome!!
I am feel like I'm less Fe blind than an INTJ normally would be and it makes me doubt my type. But then I also realize that I'm kind of insecure and LOOKING for whether I've done something that might drive away people I care about. I also have loads of customer service training (ugh). Plus was forced by family and religion into a sort of Fe aware mold. So I'm not sure if this is a question of learned behavior or what. INTJ otherwise seems to be a very accurate fit for me. I resent and get thoroughly exhausted and aggravated by doing Fe ish things but I'm not totally blind (but I think I used to be.. Hard to say, now). Thoughts? I'm in my 30s and female if it helps.
What might be cool is if you'd make type-guesses of characters, like for Corner Gas perhaps.
Oof... Man, we ISTJs try so hard to be the optimal person, and based on this observation of yours (which is totally accurate), we still fail. Maybe that's why we tend to fall into undiagnosed depression more than the Feeling types?
As an INTP, my Fe has been so negative in my life that I shut it off when i'm out with others because I get anxious and paranoid, but later I reflect and feel bad that I'm not doing my best to add to harmony. Basically I've been rejected from tribes so many times that I get overwhelmed with impending doom just observing people and sensing vibes. Ironically my coping mechanism is just to let my Ne and Ti run wild and deep talk with individuals as much as possible in group settings, which I'm actually quite good at. Although I overshare and overexplain. This makes me more annoying in groups and even less people like me.
I just hate the Ti-Si cycle of analysing how my current rejection is taking place I get in when I feel left out or suppressed even more than just speaking whenever I want. If I'm in that cycle I don't want to be around people, i'd rather stay home and I zone out, and my poor Fe and Se means I don't even automatically nod, so everyone knows i'm not listening and I seem like a massive drag to everyone who uses Fe or whose Fi has no time for their perception of me. If it is extra bad, my demon Fi takes over from Ti and I start to destroy the tribe for hurting me. I think I feel like they don't care (usually true) so why should they get to have their positive environment when I'm not included or looked out for?
I love your butterflies🦋💓
This is so good, C!
ENFJ here male here, I post my Fe in actions a lot with random people I meet on the street and in Korea in case y'all want to see my superpower of Fe.
Very Good. Fi Auxiliary Fe 6th position ESFP, social charm a revelation for me. Yes as 5th position Fe, I doubt Dominant and Auxiliary Fe Authenticity. 😊
❤Thanks
Someone help.
Okay so I can't read my own emotions, I never know what I feel, I don't know my values either, they change a lot. I am always feeling bad for others and worrying about what they think of me, I am constantly trying not to stuff up anything, I am scared when others are mad at me. I want to fit in with others and understand others but I really want to understand myself but I can't idk how too.
I am bad at comforting others and bad at comforting myself. Emotions make me feel awkward but I do cry a lot and get emotional, Idk why I do, I never know when I'm in the right or wrong either. I often write down my thoughts and come back to them later searching for a label to put them under so I don't feel so alone and trapped.
I'm not much of a deep thinker, but I am an overthinker, big deep ideas hurt my mind and make me very very stressed giving me headaches. But I overthink everything and worry constantly about everything...it gives me a headache.
I spent years trying to read other peoples bodylanguage and social cues, I was told I had autism at 5 and mum thought I sucked at reading social cues, so I trained myself on my computer everyday with bodylangauge and other stuff. I now obsess over peoples bodylanguage and their tone, I am worried someone hates me based on a slightly change in their tone or whatever...I obsess over people but I still can't comfort others or help them with their own problems cause I'm stuck in my own and need to figure out mine...but I try to figure out mine through theres... I never get my emotions but when I'm sad, I have to talk it out to my brother, or vent it out online, I can't handle the emotion intensity in my brain by myself, I need someone else to help explain. I'm an idiot in my opinion, most things go over my head and I don't notice things until days later, I draw everyday and never notice my own drawing mistakes until a week later, I get overexcited and post the art online but instantly feel the need to take it down once I realize how much mistakes are in it but at first I get overexcited and do dumb impulsive things.
When I read one article about infj today, I got excited cause I resonated with it and I was so happy but then an hour later I realized that its just one interpretation of infj I read, and its not all so what is all, whats hte true meaning of infj..who knows how do I figure it out, how do I even know if I use ni or ne or se or si as aux or dom..no freeking clue, I've been searching this stuff up since 2017, Ive got thousands of tabs open and windows open about mbti and the thought of mbti never goes away, which I guess obsessions with topics is ni?...but I see ne in me wtih some things like I come up with lyrics for songs on the spot...Idk guys am I doing this right?..all this thinking really hurts my head. I was thinking maybe I just am an adhd disorganized infj...or maybe its my social anxiety making me care for others over myself and I really am just an infp. Well I don't care for others over myself, I just want to know if I'm doing the right thing, Ive been abandoned in the past and replaced so often that I have no clue what I'm doing and I don't trust my own ideas...is this maybe fi-si loop no clue?....ah this hurts my head so much...who am I , how do do I know who I am. How many people am I annoying right now, I really wish I knew. I just want to know. Its even harder, because as I write this, yeah I may be like this right now, but the next day my thoughts may be different again.
I can't figure out my myers briggs type cause theres just too many things in each type I relate too and too many different interpretations. Id say I'm by functions infj but by other im infp?..but no its just all wrong...heck maybe I'm istp but just an emotional once..is that even possible?
Does anyone else see my huge dilema...what am I doing!?...
Do you guys think I'm INFP or INFJ or some other type completely. To add on, I also am quite observant and good at photography....but I'm just really confused on fi at the moment, I overnaliyize people and obsess over others..but I still care more about my own problems over theres... wtf./..wth
Hey I don't know you're still want some help but I see a lot of inferior Fe in this paragraph. I think you're either INTP or ISTP, I havent thought too much about it but I hope that helps.
I also don't really see Te in this at all. So I'm pretty sure you use Ti and Fe.
I agree with Insop on the Fe function and on the T (thinking). I'm an INFP and I never cared if I fit in a group. I can relate to the overthinking and the worrying.
super interesting! cant wait for the rest~
those hairclips ☺☺☺🦋
Calypso - are you a fan of CS Joseph? He prefers using this model and naming convention for the cognitive functions.
Only somewhat familiar with him. I'm sure he's super knowledgeable but I disagreed with too many of his celebrity typings (as well as his typing of himself...)
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Yeah. I started off really enjoying his content but his typings are very questionable. He types people based on a few minutes of RUclips video interview footage which I see as lazy. Plus his subs pay for him to type a celebrity in his live chats.
His Ne appears forced to me and overall he comes across as an extroverted judger. His teachings are not open-ended and he never admits to mistyping people. ENTPs just don’t behave this way.
He strikes me as an Estj/Istj because he absolutely screams SJ and security lol
I think he is an ENTP not an ENTJ. My mom and one of my close friends is an ENTP who have the same way of processing using cognitive functions. I know many ENTJs who are different from this and are not mistyped . They are by the book ENTJs who act and think differently.
I think most people disagree with C.S own typing... There's reallly 0.000% Ne in his behaviour.
Hi Calypso, “I don’t believe we use our shadow functions”. Yes! Finally an INFP who doesn’t say “we use all functions”. :)
What does she mean though? If we don't use them why bother talking about them?
I relate a lot to inferior Fe and a little with auxilary Fe, but inferior seems glaring. The only thing I relate about auxilary Fe is the disappointment of not using Fe. But even then, it's usually fleeting, and is probably Ne putting ideas on my head. But Fe matters have required a lot of development via Ti, and considering I'm only in my last year of high school, it's kinda painful using it for too long.
I also hate the stereotype that Fe in IxTPs makes them unemotional. I feel emotions as strongly, if not stronger than may others, yet I'm not good at expressing it. I often overcompensate by not letting others see my true feelings, often feelings of inadequacy and frustration of people taking my kindness for granted. "If I wanted to, I'd stay inside of my room all day, and yet I pit in the effort to make sure you're ok only to be overloaded with responsibility? Why are you taking advantage of how much I care? Why don't people respect me enough to give basic gratitude?!"
On a related note, I feel like Arthur from the Joker movie was an INTP. He desperatley wanted to connect with others and make others smile. Yet he did this through the stilted lense if his Ti, which made him constantly take notes and recite Fe instead of letting it flow naturally. He wanted to be seen as a genius and a good soul, and he wanted to be seen as the person who truly cares, yet he was shunned, causing an outburst that lead to riots and deaths. "Everybody yells and screams at each other, nobody's CIVIL anymore!" That's inferior Fe to a T. Forsaking Ti to coddle a function that's faulty. Another example of the Fe grip personified is Charlie Brown: a young boy stuck on the affirmation of others while also completely missing certain social cues.
I'm overanalyzing again, lol. That's what's on my mind, and those are the findings I've come to. I hope I'm at least somewhat accurate, lol.
I relate on quite a number of points u brought up. I can see myself doing what the joker did - take note on when people would laugh so that I can practice that part and be successful in relating with people
And I am here to find out about auxiliary vs inferior Fe. I feel I use Fe so much, but it keeps going against me
Aw, how come it became a 1 person show? She's made her own channel? I love your top btw! May I ask where you found it?
Yes I have that problem sometimes thinking is someone dominant Te or dominant Fe . I think maybe dominat Fe users can appear dominant Te? They tend to be good at organizing.
Dominant Fe display itself very differntly from dominan Te. They're indeed good at organizing, but how they display it is so different. Dom Te is usually very direct and kinda cold. It's a bit businesslike. Dominant Fe is more like "motherly" and usuaslly kinda indirect. Dom Te tells what they want, while dom Fe usually heavily implies what they want. Dom Te appears way more masculine and dom Fe kinda feminine. I mean masculine/feminine in the normal way (so not the dave superpowers fucntions are feminine or masculine way). Fe dom males usually have a somewhat feminine way of displaying themselves, while Te doms act kinda "businesslike" and serious.
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Anyone use Si, Se and Ti,Ne... to construct something like Fe? It seems that I do it this way. I may not notice a person's emotions until I pay attention to their facial expressions (I do this occasionally during a conversation). And keep monitoring their expressions is so exhausting. I thought I use Fe well but others often tell me I cannot identify their emotions correctly. But I do love seeing other people feeling happy, and I like a positive emotional atmosphere. I love comforting others. I feel sad after rejection and seduced by popularity.
ENTP here, progressively and subconsciously working on my tertiary Fe.
I also wanted to add that for Tert Fe users it's hard to know what they think of you
And Fe 4th users can blow up occasionally lol
Second position accurate for me -infj
I respond best to being told emotions directly or reading them from the environment i think
Great video, keep on! :))
As an INTJ I agree and disagree with your assessment on Fe blindspot. Yes, we’re usually oblivious to social norms and stuff, but only on our first interaction with it. Once we’ve experienced or observed a social norm, we become aware of it, and remember it for future reference.
Whether we choose to follow the norm despite being aware of it is a different story however. If we see no downsides to following it, then we usually don’t mind, but if it goes against our Fi internal code and/or our Te efficiency, then we will knowingly ignore such norms.
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You said you type people for your job. So does that mean you're an official MBTI diagnoser and get paid for it, or that diagnosing is helpful to you in some other job? Can you please explain?
I have a type assessment service that I run through my site cognitive8.com based on subconscious cues that Alex and I defined and I later refined!
Yeah I'm so bad at Fe that I didn't realize I offended everyone until my professor came to me with complaints from 8 different students.
What's your enneagram type?
I think IxTPs, especially INTPs, being the logicians we are, may tend to view Fe through a logical lense. We WANT to be accepted, we WANT tribe validation, almost more than anything, I'd add. But act on it through a logical, step by step process.
From the title, I thought this was going to be a Kama Sutra guide to MBTI haha 😆 okay, bad joke 🤐 Yeah, I am constantly irritated by people with "bad Fe." Conceptually, abstractly, I actually feel like I have a good understanding of it and am in tune with others emotions. However, I'll be the first to admit that, in person, in action, my words often don't come out right and I'm not very good at gracefully affecting the emotional climate or influencing people to like me. I feel like I can use Fe; it's just kind of clumsy. You're right, I do find myself criticizing others on Fe grounds -- not so much for simply being abrasive or socially inept, which would be somewhat hypocritical, but for not making the same effort I do to improve Fe -- for not even trying. As much as INTP + INTJ are touted as the "golden pair," I find that I am most annoyed by Fe blind people. They are just so clueless and self-defeating when it comes to how they affect others emotionally. 8th slot Fe can be pretty bad too.
I can be suspicious of others' motivations/intentions behind their interactions at times, especially if it seems they're attempting manipulation. This is one of the reasons I've entertained the possibility of being INFP instead of INTP before. However, when I really stop and think about it, considering not just how I'm bothered by manipulation, but _who_ bothers me in that regard, I realize that almost all the people I feel this way about are Te-users, especially Te-doms. I see people confuse Te with Fe often enough, and it makes sense that being suspicious of Te could resemble a description of being suspicious of Fe. So it makes sense to me when I think about it, that I would have both inferior Fe issues and what seemed to be 5th slot Fe issues, because the latter was actually 5th slot Te issues from being Ti dominant rather than Fi dominant. At least that's my current theory.
Question: You said you type a lot of people for your job. I'm curious what your job is. Unless you are referring to your typing service?
Ooh interesting. Perhaps you don't like to be manipulated by "the facts" or manipulated to change your mind about something that you've already logically internalized? My typing service is my full-time job now :)
From watching some of your videos, you can sound a lot like an INTP with how you be explain your views on these
Her pausing and laughing and looking side ways doesn’t make it any better. Why does she smile and laugh all the time randomly?
Because its not forbiden?!