2023 KTM 300 XC TBI VS. TPI VS. CARB
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2022
- 2023 KTM 300 XC TBI VS. TPI VS. CARB
Come along as I test the TBI against the TPI and the CARB bike!
You can't go wrong with any of these bikes, but the TBI is sooo good!!
KTM 300 XC TBI 2023 MODEL Throttle Body Injection
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I have since new a 2017 Husq TE300 with:
EASY Throttle Cam.
J.D. Mikuni Jet Kit.
2018 Intake Manifold Flange.
BOYESEN Rad Valve RAD-42E.
FMF Turbine Core II SA.
STEAHLY 12 ounce FWW.
I made a special tool to check actual fuel level in the float bowl where I attached a fuel hose to the float bowl drain plug.
The engine runs smooth and pulls well. I'm going to install a 36mm Keihin carb next.
LOVE MY TE300 TPI, reliable & simple riding east coast enduro
I loved my TPI too until it stopped coming off the engine rev.
I've got a 18.300.xc carb model. Simple effective and straightforward that's what you need in a dirt bike. Sounds old school but. Plus kick-starter and electric start
I transformed my 2022 300 TPI in to a 2022.9. 🤣
Made it 100% premix (removed the oil injection line, red LED dash light & oil pump), relocated 1 fuel injector to between the throttle body and reeds.
Then changed to a Cobber ecu and Slavens S3 head.
Lastly turned the air bypass screw in from 3.5 turns out to 1.5 (richening it) and turned the stock yellow power valve spring out 2.5 turns so the adjuster is flush with housing.
Now tractor pulls at idle rpms, has instant throttle response at all rpms & throttle positions. And has more power every where.
I like your content so I subscribed good work
Thanks!! 👍👍
I was thinking about a 23 beta 300rr but went with the 23 tx300. Best decision. Great bike.
Great comparison. You gained a new sub.
Thank you! 😁👍
I've been watching a channel called midwest mx and he rides a 300 tpi, I've come to like the "lug" sound of it and how its so tame and smooth, very chillas
Man between your review and Morgan's videos, it just might be time to finally let go of my 17. Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts on it!
If your riding a 2017 KTM there's no need to change that was a major year they changed things with the counterbalancer. They have made the frames more rigid now with less flex, which = a harsher ride and a 17 has good flex. You have a kick starter and a carb, which is awesome.
You're better off getting conevalves and a trax shock than a newer model year
His frame is probably well used, get the new bike bud, enjoy life.
Nice work bud!
Thanks brother! 😁👊🏼
Awesome job! Love the vid. The thing I love about my TPI bikes is how they lug so well - and it never wears me out. I have found that with a bike that isn't so snappy, I can ride much better and then it's me riding the bike and not the bike riding me. Having said that, I am going to get the TBI in 2024 and I can't wait. And as you said, I'm going to keep my TPI bike, because it's that good...I have three of them (TPI's) and I've absolutely loved them and have never had any problems whatsoever.
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Well 250 tpi is still snappy
I fully agree, I decided to keep my 2018 300EXC tpi aswell even thou I bougt a new Beta RR350 4-stroke. I love ridning them both in different ways.❤
Sounds like the TBI is pretty sweet. From performance stand point sounds like its a winner. Reliability we will have to see. I also love that 1st and 2nd are lower. I use my TX300 for hard enduro anyway and have geared it down for that. I think Morgan from highlands cycle pointed out some good things that also bug me like the location of the fuel pump and how it doesn't reach the lowest point in the tank. This might be the one to get when I give up my TX. Not sure the VARG is gonna do it for me but wouldn't mind seeing it in your stable! Hope you like white!
So far very impressed! Hoping good things for the long term. Oh you know we’d love to get the Varg! Hope to see you soon buddy! 😁👊🏼
Great videos and content! Keep it up! What ramp is that in the video? Is it a custom job or did you buy it somewhere?
Thanks!! 👊🏼 It’s a ramp a trials rider gave me long ago. Not sure where he got it.
Interesting video! Ya, your carbed bike sounds like an animal with the high compression head - they can get very aggressive. I wager the TBI would be more to my liking for a long and tough day of racing or trail riding, as a hard hit is fun, but it can wear a rider out over the course of a day too.
18 300 XC here with a Lectron, V4 reeds and S3 head with medium insert. I live in Colorado, the head and Lectron make it perfect for my riding, which can range from freezing temps up into the 90s, at 4.5K elevation all the way up over 12K. The combo of the Lectron, reeds and head is always on point. It still barks off the bottom nicely at my elevation which is good as I am a short shifter in the tight stuff.
Have ridden a few TPIs, they are nice, but don't have the aggressive personality that the carb provides here in thin air land Colorado, even with work done to them. For me the carb is just a bit more fun, and fun is why I ride. The TBI sounds interesting, more rowdy and carb like, but with the exactness of FI, kind of splitting the difference between the two, which could be a cool spot. I like the new bike's sharp look and covet those updated AER forks too, and actually like that the TBI is back to premix - it is just not that big a deal and less to go wrong.
What carb setup are you running? Maybe I missed it. I'm having good luck with my JD tuned Mikuni. Thinking about a TSP low comp head.
Going to purchase a 250 4-stroke tomorrow one advantage carbureted one of them is fuel injected they tried to tell me the fuel injected is a faster bike I just need some information about which would be better for me to purchase
Thanks for the review. If you have problems with your Tpi bikes, who do you have look at them? I’m having issues with my 22’ TX300i. I’m in CO. (I’ve done everything I can do to it to correct it from bogging and sputtering. I can’t get it dialed in.
We work on our bikes. Try the Crank case pressure sensor. Good place to start. Easy fix. Mountain Dirty in Silverthorne could get you sorted. Hope that helps and you get it figured out. We’ve had a few of them act up. The newer ones have gotten better.
Keihin always for me, want it smoother, try a Suzuki needle, jetting is so easy, and no dealer tech required.
Yeah, that’s a good setup for sure. Love the carb bikes! This TBI is impressive though!
300 xcw Tpi with the tsp medium comp head and ecu reflash turned my 300 into the perfect all around bike really cleaned the low end throttle response, runs a lot cleaner now. Would like to compare the tbi to my modded tpi
this is what i have, its perfect!
Wow. My TPI is smooth off the bottom in stock trim. PNW, so great air density here. I have a Husky and KTM both TPI, it is like cheating. I can’t imagine what better is like.
Haven't rode a TBI yet but rode a few TPI and prefer my 19 300XC with Keihin airstriker. It feels more torquey to me and simple and bulletproof
@WolfieMel so last Sunday I rode a 300 XC TBI and It's a lot better than the TPI. It's not good enough to sell my 19 300 XC and pay more money but I'd definitely get the 23 300XC if I was looking at buying a brand new bike again. Cant say it's TBI is better than my 19 Keihin but it may be. TPI definitely isn't as good as the Keihin imo. KTM did a great job with the TBI but I'm got giving my 19 up
Do you have stock Keihin carb? You may want to buy whats called STIC mod, proven to increase power by 2-3hp through rev range and gives better throttle response through the rev range
@@xfdfff2620 I've heard of it but don't know much. Is that good for a woods racer?
@@thatfast3002 I have heard its amazing for that, there are few good videos about it too
@@xfdfff2620 . going to look more in to it thanks
I’m keeping my ‘19 300XC with Smart Carb. It’s smooth, fast and reliable.
Keeping my 19 300xc too I love it but I have a Keihin airstriker
What year carb bike did u compare? The counter balance Mikuni carb bikes definitely don't come alive like the 12 to 16 kehin carb bikes . Its a tough thing to compare because they all need the same compression and the carb bike needs to be jetted correctly.
The carb bike in this video is a 2019 300XC. I much prefer the 2017 and newer models. The counterbalanced motor is my favorite. We’ve had the previous year models as well. Love the excitement of the carb bikes. This TBI is a game changer though in my opinion. Time will tell 🤷🏻♂️👍
Great comparison...I'd be curious to know how much of the difference between the TPI and TBI is actually the change to TBI vs mapping improvements. I've read quite a few reviews from folks who converted their TPI's to TBI's with mostly lackluster results. I'd like to see a comparison of a re-mapped TPI vs the new TBI.
A comparison between properly tuned carb, tpi and tbi...
I’ve ridden quite a few modded TPI’s. With TSP setups and Get ECU setups with high compression heads. I think the new TBI is better than those that I’ve ridden.
@@wernerxldata ridden them all. TBI is better in my opinion. Properly tuned carb?
@@FunVenturesBTR That's promising, since all 2stroke motocross bikes are TBI now, you would expect KTM to go for one system. TBI + oil injection would be super :)
What do you think of the new foot pegs and the different position they are in?
I like them more than the previous pegs 👍
John Ross mapped 300 tpi is 🤌
I'll stick with the Carb ...... maybe not a good as the injected ones maybe better BUT the main thing for me is a lot less electronics, wiring and connectors all of which can stop the bike when they get wet or go wrong. No fun in pushing your super smooth torquey bike home
Same for me I want reliability these little improvements they think they make for power etc means nothing when your broken down, carb bikes still ride great and outride 90% of riders 🤷♂️
I bought 2021 Gas Gas ec300 TPI
Converted to TBI
Personally think the carb version is more exciting to ride.
Your video is top notch 👌
Great Content !
Thanks! The carb bike is very exciting to ride! 😁✊🏼💨💨
I’m sticking to analog
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Do you still like the 450xc over the 350xc? Sorry has nothing to do with this video
Both fun bikes! I prefer the 450. We have a 350 in our stable as well.
Every time I ride a tpi it feels like something is missing. A engine of any kind should pull up top
whats your thoughts on the fuel economy so far?
Seems to suck a fair bit. Did 40 miles the first day and had at least half a tank left.
@@FunVenturesBTR thanks, I do 1 or 2 rides a season that around 100 miles. we do usually have spare fuel and bigger tanks though. unfortunately the big tanks for these bikes are maxing at 2.8 gallons
@@scallop640 yeah, we do many 100 mile days throughout the year. I carry a couple extra liters in my pack. As soon as I see I have enough room in the tank I empty my cans to get the weight off of my back. I prefer this route vs. the bigger tank route. I feel that bigger tanks really take away from the ergonomics and lightweight feel of these nimble 2 strokes. Just my opinion. Most 100 plus mile rides we have the ability to find gas and carry a bit of oil. 🤷🏻♂️👍
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What map were you riding in? White or Green?
Played with both. I like the green map for what I was riding in this video. 👊🏼
@@FunVenturesBTR Thanks for the videos. I pulled the trigger on a 300 SX.
@@brianmullins739 let us know your thoughts 👍
What oil are you running on your TBI for premix?
60:1 Motorex
This is it!!!
Swapmoto, MXA, Pulp, and all the big media's not covering this yet.
one of the first of many to do this, way ahead of the game now!!
Thank you! 👍
Sounded like you were having the most fun on the carb bike...Just saying.
Haha… they’re all fun! The carb bike is exciting to ride! ✊🏼💨💨
Personally I got a tpi and hated it when it came to a more track sense single track was Alr but no balls
Lap times 😀😀😀😀??
Should’ve done that 👍
Iam stuck between a 17 carburetor and 2019 tpi😊
No comparison in my opinion. I’d take the carb any day over the 1st tpi. Many of those early TPI’s were very problematic.
@FunVenturesBTR 2019 the earlier model ??
Hmm 🤔 wonder how they compare out of 2nd gear 😅😂
And why does everyone think they have to be “fast” and run aggressive maps , head, etc etc.. when 90% can’t handle it.