the reason that Dropout succeeded was that everything was done 100% earnestly and for the sake of the media they produce, not in a cheap attempt to gain more monthly revenue
Not to mention the insane level of production value that's apparent in each of their shows. They charge you money, but you can actually see why it costs money too
As an almost 1 year in Dropout subscriber-who found it thru BDG being in their youtube shorts, and then coming for Make Some Noise and Game Changer-I can confidently say this is the best money I’ve ever spent. I stayed and became a DND fan because of Dungeons and Dragons Queens, their whole library of original content is some of my favorite stuff ever. I’ve never been a TV person but this just hooked me. 10/10 please buy the yearly subscription bc there are more discount codes for that and you know it’s gonna be the cheaper and more amazing choice. I wouldn’t say this about any other place fr
also they already had much bigger crew, so they could actually produce multiple great shows by the launch - Kingpin Katie, Ultramechatron Team Go, etcs
Earnest is the biggest thing for me. I’d been a follower of College Humour years before dropout came out and that era truly was “dropout works or this 2 decade old company ceases to exist.” There was no BS behind the creation of the service, it was pretty apparent at the time that they either made Dropout a service worth subscribing to and made it work or there was going to be nothing to turn back on. That’s hugely what bothered me about watcher, it was apparent there was BS behind their move which was proven by how quickly people picked them apart and they backpedaled. There’s a lot of other good strategy behind Dropout but seriously their transparency and earnestness are two huge things going for them.
Dropout has remained so cool about its pricing over the years. When they had to increase the fee they let early adopters keep paying the original price as a thank-you, and they actively encourage password sharing! We need more Dropouts in the world
I think the thing a lot of these Dropout wannabes are forgetting is that Dropout has hundreds of comedians, actors, drag performers and more in their regular rotation of guests and no one is really focused on too heavily. They have their core members, but the amount of talent on that platform is unreal. You totally earned an (unpaid) sub from me for this video, fantastic stuff and that skit at the end was hilarious.
To add onto the whole subscription thing: if I remember correctly, Dropout gave out many many codes and discounts when they were launching their own service. They were also transparent about prices rising in the future I believe as well.
Plus when dropout launched it was purely ADDITIVE. Dropout laughed with 9 new shows and the regular RUclips uploads continued for over a year. And now they don’t take down fan clips/fan animations, which allows a lot of community interaction and discoverability
Plus dropout has SO. MANY. SHOWS. so if you like their content you’ll pretty much never have nothing to watch. But since it’s not story based shows you never feel the analysis paralysis that Netflix or other services give you
@@sentimentalexisyep when the netflix crackdown on password sharing happened he tweeted encouraging people to share their dropout accounts with friends and family
ngl the vibe I got from te Try Guys announcement was less "shit, we need to backpedal and slap it on the announcement" and more "shit, we need to make it clear we're not making those mistakes". It's possible they were planning to entirely jump ship but considering how they already crosspost or produce shows on other platforms like their tv shows (and the scandal requiring them to keep as many revenue streams as possible) I doubt they were going to pull a Watcher
I genuinely don't think there's a single RUclipsr that I'd be willing to pay a monthly subscription fee for. That's not to say I don't have RUclipsrs I like, but with something like Netflix, you're getting a wide variety of content with tons of styles, voices, and genres; if it's just one RUclipsr, you're only getting one thing. I'd be way more interested in a service where multiple RUclipsrs come together (which I know exists with stuff like Nebula) than a single service for one person/group
That's partly why I don't pay for Patreon and the like. I'd want a variety of stuff, and paying $5+ for each person I want to support would cost way too much.
I give Smosh 5 bucks a month but it’s not really that much more content. It’s BTS for main channel videos. I do it because I really love Smosh and the content they produce + I enjoy the fact they’re willing to put it out for free.
the fact that you learned about the Watcher situation from a jacksfilms parody... causes me to assume that you're living a decent life not being on the internet or digital media often, good on ya
I wish you would have talked more about what made Dropout work where these others failed. The main reason is that Dropout was producing tons of original shows for their new platform. It wasn't just their RUclips content on a new site, it was tons of brand new stuff *on top of* their existing stuff that was going out on RUclips. Nowadays they focus on those original shows and I and many others couldn't be happier.
Not to mention the full seasons they upload for free on RUclips as hype for new ones! I watched Fantasy High seasons 1 and 2 for completely free before deciding “yeah I wanna buy a sub to watch the final season”
I checked and Dropout launched with something like 9 original series announced or already on there, Watcher launched with 2 announced (one being that they would continue an old series with a vote by the audience for which one, so it wasn’t in production)
I may be the only one with this perspective, but for a number of years now I've been a big fan of Dropout and the potential Dropoutification/Studioification of RUclips channels. This is all to say with so many large studios merging and more and more movies and TV shoes being pumped out and left to die in the ocean of content that is Netflix/Disney+/Prime, we're losing the great lower/mid-budget media that might appeal to a smaller audience but has tons of merit but just isn't being made. These smaller streamers that don't have the overhead or expectations of tranditional movie studios (unlike other studios-turned-streamers like Paramount) can try out all these new and innovative things and cater to a smaller audience. Sure, it's possible to do amazing things on RUclips alone - just look at Joel Haver and his work this year - but to be able to employ a large number of people and, more importantly, compensate everyone (regardless of the size of the team) for their labour, it seems like alternate funding models are necessary. For channels that don't aspire to become mini studios, like most of those which offer memberships/Patreon (which I see as more of support for creators than studio monetization), RUclips with Patreon and Nebula is great. But for those that do, and produce quality shows people are willing to pay for, subscriptions seem like a great option to me. Yes, they do remove some of the free content, but Dropout's example of still offering a significant amount of content for free seems like a good example I hope future creators follow, as the Try Guys are (potentially even moreso). I think this is where I see the biggest difference between Dropout and 2ndTry and Watcher - the first two had a proven track record of making new show concepts and executing on them. On the other hand, Watcher has only really done a small number of shows for years and years which aren't very innovative or are just remakes of shows from their Buzzfeed era. While it's definitely true that the announcement played a big part in the differing responses as well, it's hard to ignore the fact that people are just less willing to pay for that kind of content in the same way they're not willing to pay for streaming services that don't offer new shows they want to watch, even if they have a great back catalogue (see: Peacock).
I think the problem is that most youtubers aren't the kind of people making TV shows and movies, so when they get their own platforms, that's not independent media creators, that's just more youtube-style stuff: prank videos, challenge videos, rant videos, blogs etc. Dropout is the exception and even then mostly does game shows.
for me the best thing which has been done like this is nebula, people still upload to youtube but upload some nebula exclusive stuff. also its not just one person, its a whole platform with a bunch of people
The thing is that people are trying to turn RUclips, one of of the few free streaming services, into something that’s the exact opposite of that. RUclips memberships and other paid features are done well because they’re 100% optional, and you can still watch the creators you love for free (Most of the time, the same thing can even be said for Patreon as well). So when these channels on RUclips decide to put the entirety of their content onto a paywalled website, it really makes one upset with the creators of what was once a free form of entertainment.
Tryguys: Haha I hope our fans like our streaming service announcement. Wait, what's happening with Watcher? OH GOD QUICK WE NEED TO TELL THEM WE'RE NOT LEAVING
@@Slymeball Not every creator would fit tho. Nebula’s goal seems to be more related to education, while it seems like most RUclipsrs produce entertainment.
I honestly feel like they should join Dropout and have their new content up there, both Watcher and The Try Guys humour works with them, Plus Grant O'brien (one of Dropouts comedians) is already in a bunch of Try Guys videos that are coming up. Add onto the fact that creators are already working with Dropout to put up exclusive content, it would just make more sense
(To be honest) with the try guys interview with anthony padilla Zach did mention them talking to sam about how to manage their streaming service... but the iphone thing was something i never catched on to.
This might be a hot take but as someone who likely won't ever subscribe to any of these platforms, I do still get why they're doing it. The Try Guys have explained on their podcast and other places that constantly trying to appease the youtube algorithm in order to stay afloat financially forced them to start making content they weren't proud of, that made them lose interest, and that ultimately wasn't entertaining to their actual subscribers. They realized they had to either continue doing that and get burnt out, make the content they want to make on youtube but lose to the algorithm and eventually go out of business, or make a subscription platform. Now, I hadn't actually really noticed that detail you mentioned about their announcement video and if their plan was to keep everything locked behind a paywall like Watcher, that would be really tone-deaf, no excuse there, but ultimately it doesn't seem like they're making this platform to get more money to become rich, but rather to be able to stay afloat at all. This might be wrong but I do think most of their expansions happened before their views started to drop (mainly due to a certain event) and so it's not that they've expanded more than they can afford and have to compensate to avoid layoffs. Missing out on some exclusives definitely sucks but I get needing more of an incentive to get people to subscribe, and if it means better content (of which I'm still getting a majority of for free on youtube, even if it's a little later) I'm all for it and hope they can make what they love now thanks to this.
try guys are also not _just_ putting their regular youtube content on 2nd try, which i think a lot of people are missing. part of the reason they made it was to be able to produce a ton of new stuff with new people. some of their new shows don’t involve zach and keith at all.
You know what's really funny to me, Watcher and Try Guys would probably fit in really well on Dropout, like surely it would have been more financially viable for them to make deals with Dropout. Make a show or two for Dropout, help them grow their subscriptions a bit and then slowly move over to the platform entirely, dropout gets more subscribers, Watcher and Try Guys get a more stable platform and we all get more content for a fairer price
I saw that “all we wanted was you” comment on the original video and god it is such a gut punch because its true. I followed them to watcher from buzzfeed unsolved but over the years i just. stopped watching. and only recently did i realize why i dont want that big production stuff, i dont want it to feel like tv, i wanted ryan and shane in a room together just talking.
With dropout there are dozens of shows original shows, they still maintain free stuff online and don't care about people reposting clips, it's cheap, Sam's totally down with password sharing, and they're always very transparent on costs and how the point is to pay their workers well. Plus people have mad respect for Sam for snatching up the show from collegehumor primarily to keep his friends employed. Hell, thanks to a talk with Hank Green we even know that when Apple demands they pay 30% of the sub price for the honor of being on the apple store, they don't even pass that on to us, they keep it at the same rate as elsewhere and just eat the cost. With Sam...like, he's rich and the son of a Secretary of Labor. He's frankly good on cash and always has been, and is big on workers' right. He's doing this for the joy of it, not for the money (not that it's unwanted) and passes that onto us. I get more value and quality from that than any other subscription I've had, and it really does come off as a self-sustaining passion project. These other people...tbh their heart's not in the same place and they're not providing nearly the same value anyway. If this was a BUNCH of people joining together, like Nebula did for education stuff, it would be different. But the others just don't have what it takes. Like they cannot match that standard, they don't have the cash to keep up the production speed to make it worth it.
I’m subscribed to Dropout and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done. It’s actually good content for an affordable price. They aren’t just trying to get more money off of you.
I get that RUclipss partner program can be really annoying at times, but locking your content behind a subscription is so awful. Its only a single creator, and if everyone that was monetized favored the $5.99 a month, for every creator you watch on RUclips it would all add up so quickly if it caught on. If its an OPTION, thats cool, exclusive content from your favorite creators if you wanna support the creator, but this exclusive subscription bs sounds like locking every video behind a paywall which is just scummy. Also love the new site you launched, great content on there 🙏🙏
Good Mythical Morning did it correctly. Their Mythical Society is a good mix of supplemental uploads and exclusive product offerings that the fans seem to love.
5:20 they addressed that someone on their team suggested they make it very clear that they're not leaving. They also said they were super upset that eugene's departure was the headline on every single article, rather than the fact that they were introducing 9 new cast members. The try guys did it very right, and knowing their success on top of dropout's, there's definitely gonna be some shills that hop on the bandwagon of "we can be a network too!!!!! money!!!!"
The only time I've seen a streaming service from a channel done right firsthand is Trilogy Media. They have both paid and free options, but most of the content by itself is free just so there's not a censorship wall protecting scammers. The paid content is mostly miscellaneous or an uncut interview from a scam victim or something. It's all done well. That said, I wish more channels did it right like Trilogy Media.
One thing about college humor/dropout. In the older days of RUclips it was a very normal thing to have a youtube channel to tey and gain popularity, then have your own website with additional videos that run more profitable ads. Some of you may have heard about groups like Normal Boots, or Hidden Block. College humor has been part of early youtube for a good while. Back when even this was the norm. So for them to do it just makes a lot more sense to move to their own website.
Correction: dropout subscriptions start at $5.99 a month or 59.99 yearly now. I say now btw bc they were originally $4.99 a month and 47.99 yearly and when they announced the price increase they allowed those subscribed to the old price to continue to subscribe to the cheaper price, so another example of dropout appearing less of a cash grab than these other streaming services. Not sure where the 3.99 dollars a month figure came from.
I will never sign up for a paid subscription to anything as long as even the possibillity of a future free version exists. I'd be much more inclined to pay if RUclips hadn't existed for free for my entire adult life.
This analysis starts too late to understand the success of dropout. College humor was a profitable video service. Facebook’s lies over Facebook video killed College Humor. Unlike the other options here, Dropout was built off the back of a profitable non-youtube video service. The youtube content was always drips of sample content, never the primary means of viewership. Moreover, dropout wasn’t building exclusive premium content on top of a full time load of free RUclips content like a lot of the other launches.
I think what also really helped make Dropout work was because it came out when the company was about ready to go bankrupt and facing the very real risk of nearly a decades worth of content dissappearing forever. It was less of a new revenue to make more money, and more as a last ditch effort to save College Humor's legacy. I get why the idea is appealing, but Watcher and the Try Guys were doing just fine, and they really should have considered other options first.
i don’t know much about watcher’s whole deal, it frankly seems very tone deaf, but i do know a lot about the try guys. try guys lost millions of dollars buying ned’s share of the company. when that whole thing happened, they almost went under. they considered a lot of things - i’ve listened to them talk about it on their own podcast, in videos, on “i spent a day with” with anthony padilla, etc. the reason they settled on a streaming service was because they weren’t making enough money off of the stuff they actually wanted to be making. they’re adding cast members, exclusive shows, etc, and still uploading to youtube. they also consulted sam reich a lot about dropout and streaming and the do’s and don’t’s.
I feel like this was one of the many instrumental parts of Dropout's success, one that a lot of people overlook. Watcher definitely wasn't on the verge of death like CollegeHumour was at the time
Uhhh when you said you didn't hear anyone talking about the second try and Eugene announcements being so close and stuff, did you consider actually seeking out people talking about it? Because Anthony Padilla interviewed them and they explicitly talked about that being on purpose because of the bad blood between them and more mainstream media after the Ned snl fiasco.
@@SodorTimesTodayTho to be honest, seeing “a single RUclips channel” as a meaningful unit of Content was probably the reason all these channels tried & failed to replicate Dropout. Yes, technically CollegeHumor was one sketch comedy channel. But even before Dropout, it had a bigger writing & production staff than most other sketch RUclips channels. And on Dropout, they made sure to diversify content early on so people with multiple interests would join.
Also Critical Role did the same thing. Honestly I think the main difference to me is that Dropout is designed for a wide variety of shows with a MASSIVE cast (even before it went to dropout the cast was big and Um Actually had a ton of regular guest cast) so each show feels even more different and so worth it's own site, but all of these have a pretty small cast, and have a smaller number of more specific show formats, so what's the point? If any of these channels branched out the way dropout did they'd be unrecognisable since the main reason people watch them is the main cast. It's gonna take a while for non-die-hard try guys viewers to pay for content with none of the original cast
Okay but to add on to the Watcher situation, They literally have a patreon that earned them at minimum 100k a month basically. So they weren't low on funds they just really wanted to get as much money as possible
Its was either that they were greedy and really just wanted money, or that they were extremely bad at managing their money even with this much income(as well as very profitable sponsor deals). Both options are not something you would want to give money to
If RUclips would stop their heavy censorship none of this would be happening. I know they're trying to make it more child friendly but seriously they need to stop cuz they're about to lose most most big RUclipsrs cuz of their heavy censorship.
I'm interested to see what happens with this, because my theory is that the vast majority of youtube channels, even the ones with big fanbases, are entirely dependent upon being within the youtube environment. The big sticking point for these subscriptions I don't think is whether or not people will be willing to pay the price, I think it's whether or not people will actively seek out content by those specific youtubers, going off youtube to get it. Cos the thing is, youtube already has a "channel membership" thing, and some youtubers already do mostly members only videos, and it works fine for them. That's already pretty much the same thing as having a subscription service. So these youtubers are buying their own servers and websites and authentication systems and payment systems just to not have to give google a cut of their membership fees, and I'm not convinced that that'll actually work without videos popping up in people's aggregated feeds.
@@MeepsNcheese once they did that, their business will on the graveyard. They would never dig their own grave. Especially around defy age. They fought back so hard that they aren't letting their second chance goes wasted.
Smosh is already making extra income via memberships on Smosh main so probably not unless it is cheaper to run the outside sub service compared to paying out the RUclips fee
I started noticing this when Patrick “I’m clearly doing this because my one “film” flopped” Willems started hawking Nebula along with everyone else who clearly had other ambitions and are just using RUclips to piggyback off of them.
I think your coverage of this is kind of disappointing - especially the part where you claim “everyone is trying to copy dropout TV” Sam Reich personally helped the try guys build their business model as mentioned in their interview with Anthony Padilla. That doesn’t feel like copying that feels like intelligence and protecting their own asses. Edit: I watched a few more minutes and you made another shady ass claim that stinks of a rushed youtube video with no attention to detail. I don’t even particularly like these guys but they have outwardly talked about doing the Eugene announcement at the same time as making them part of the same news cycle and to specifically distract journalists with a hatred for them after the SNL scandal. You could have watched the three or four videos they have put out on various channels to actually be informed for this. Disappointing, will not be returning to your under informed content where you take cheap disprovable potshots at bigger creators.
There are a lot of RUclipsrs I like and if I was some kinda millionaire I'd gladly support. But even ignoring money, I'm not going to go to a whole separate website just for a single RUclipsr. I watch RUclips mostly on my TV so I'd have to use my phone which is a no that kd for me. I'm already sick of every RUclipsr having a patreon (or similar) so having a subscription service for individual accounts is awful. I just miss when RUclips was about having fun and just uploading whatever, not trying to earn maximum revenue 24/7.
Oof, yeah, the whole thing with watcher entertainment was recieved about as well as interupting a funeral to defecate into the coffin. Lost a lot of respect for the ghoul boys that day. Edit: fun fact, the domain "tv" does not stand for "television", it stands for "Tuvalu".
Subscription for with ad makes it hard for companies to get costumers,it should be illegal because advertising is important as long they fellow guidelines
Can't wait for the Jacksfilms Cinematic Universe Subscription Service, The Sully Show showing off each of your otamatones. Plus all the other mods of JFilms too?! sign me up!
Taking down content on RUclips and putting a paywall behind it is a bad enough idea as is. RoosterTeeth before they went under were probably told to take down all of the free access to RvB and the people that were left to care about RoosterTeeth were pissed. A little unrelated, but when Machinima went under, they as well killed off free access to the years and years of content and people were mad at that as well. The point is, if people have easy access to content and then it gets locked away, people are gonna be mad to begin with. Even when these practices are expected from big companies, people get mad, so imagine if you don’t even have the appearance and identity of a big company. Even if you are technically a company behind the scenes, your average viewer doesn’t really see that or understand the scope of that. Strapping on a paywall for the normal content that you had for free to begin with sucks. GMM and Smosh I think got it sorta figured out. While I will say, at least for Smosh in some aspects, has overpriced content, it is EXTRA content different from the main stuff. It’s also a one time payment and only for special events. Let’s hope these content creators have the dedication to keep at it with these “higher quality,” videos.
I stopped trying to watch RWBY after roosterteeth removed all the old seasons from RUclips, the app was awful and when I heard roosterteeth was shutting down I was kinda delighted. The app was so bad
@@allison6883 I wouldn’t say I was delighted to hear about RT shutting down. I feel bad a lot of people were out of a job just like that with no warning. What I will say is that it is gonna be nice once RWBY’s accessibility returns to how it was: free on RUclips, as it seems the RWBY team has the rights to make more
I think to your point about the Try Guys dropping their Eugene video immediately after their subscription platform. I agree it was probably a marketing move, but I would also imagine after the Ned SNL thing they’re probably trying to be overly cautious with their reputation as a business as opposed to something untoward going on. Or maybe I have way too much faith in them and the whole thing is shady 😂
i don’t know that it was a marketing move. they said themselves that they wanted to announce it sooner, but i think they wanted to wait for the streamer to be ready to announce it so they could announce the new cast members and people wouldn’t be worried it’d just be the zach and keith show
Yup I dont think id pay for a single youtubers videos. I already canceled netflix why would i spend money on youtube? Except yours of course because i dont want to be murdered
I'mma be honest. There isn't a single RUclipsr or Twitch streamer that I'm gonna pay a subscription to. RUclips is free and I have an adblocker. The most I'll do is like, comment, and sub.
6:39 I just counted. *Only 39 of my subscriptions have posted a video in the last year, (2 of those being YOU).* 😁 That means my bill at max would be around $190 a month ($2,280 a year, assuming no discounts for "annual bundles" or something like that). 😋
Corridor has been the only youtube channel i have paid for a subscription because of how they do it the content has exclusive bts and things that cant be shown on youtube like nsfw or copyrighted music for 2 seconds in the youtube release and they actually nake you feel like you get something as they make short films with high production value. The try guys and these others have no true reason to have a subscription model. Who wants to pay monthly to watch a try guy eat food for 10 minutes?
Some of their new stuff has been a lot cooler than try guy eat food for 10 minutes Im not paying for a try guys subscription but I think you are severely under estimating those guys I like corridor but I didn't even know they had paid subscription and absolutely wouldn't think it would be worth it
I honestly thought Critical Role was gonna be in this because they've basically just announced their own streaming service. I can't afford to pay for any of these services, so when someone I watch announces they're starting one and they're not gonna be uploading to RUclips I'm just like "Whelp, bye then" and unsub.
The difference is critical role introduced the service as a substitute for subbing to twitch and/or channel memberships while adding extra on top that they couldn't do with either of those. If you never subscribed to begin with, NOTHING changes.
Ah yes watcher decided to strike while the iron was hot in the streaming service market… a whole 6 years after dropout started. (To be clear not defending what they did the way they announced the service sucked and was super tone deaf)
I think this is funny, but like the kind of funny where you make fun of dumb people for thinking about money too much. I can get the idea of wanting to get money and the monkey brain going "ooh they made thing using this thing, I should use the thing to do the same it will totally work!!!!1!" but god damn do they not see "locking everything we got behind a paywall" as one of the worst ideas you can have? oh you enjoy our free water? we changed it so you have to buy a monthly membership to get "FREE" water
Is it a post-buzzfeed problem? Like if I had nickel for every time an ex-buzzfeed ran RUclips group made a streaming announcement I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?
I can’t wait for a future when these new subscription services shut down and end up just licensing their content to other platforms, hopefully either Dropout or Nebula to really make a point lmao
I don't know why these channels don't collectively organise, get like 15-20 channels together and collectively make a streaming service. Y'know, like Nebula.
completely different, amazon prime is a subscription service with mountain loads of other content and services, it’s not like the creator released a streaming service just for hazbin hotel and helluva boss
This is completely different from getting your show pitched to a streaming service. This is more like if Vivziepop created her own streaming service to host only Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss for $7.99 a month.
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I appreciate the commitment lmao
I was so hoping it would reroute me to a rickroll
I was honestly expecting it to just be a redirect back here
the reason that Dropout succeeded was that everything was done 100% earnestly and for the sake of the media they produce, not in a cheap attempt to gain more monthly revenue
Not to mention the insane level of production value that's apparent in each of their shows. They charge you money, but you can actually see why it costs money too
not to mention the AMOUNT of shows and different personalities you get with it. Like, if it was JUST game changer it would not be doing nearly as well
As an almost 1 year in Dropout subscriber-who found it thru BDG being in their youtube shorts, and then coming for Make Some Noise and Game Changer-I can confidently say this is the best money I’ve ever spent. I stayed and became a DND fan because of Dungeons and Dragons Queens, their whole library of original content is some of my favorite stuff ever. I’ve never been a TV person but this just hooked me. 10/10 please buy the yearly subscription bc there are more discount codes for that and you know it’s gonna be the cheaper and more amazing choice. I wouldn’t say this about any other place fr
also they already had much bigger crew, so they could actually produce multiple great shows by the launch - Kingpin Katie, Ultramechatron Team Go, etcs
Earnest is the biggest thing for me. I’d been a follower of College Humour years before dropout came out and that era truly was “dropout works or this 2 decade old company ceases to exist.” There was no BS behind the creation of the service, it was pretty apparent at the time that they either made Dropout a service worth subscribing to and made it work or there was going to be nothing to turn back on. That’s hugely what bothered me about watcher, it was apparent there was BS behind their move which was proven by how quickly people picked them apart and they backpedaled. There’s a lot of other good strategy behind Dropout but seriously their transparency and earnestness are two huge things going for them.
Dropout has remained so cool about its pricing over the years. When they had to increase the fee they let early adopters keep paying the original price as a thank-you, and they actively encourage password sharing! We need more Dropouts in the world
I think the thing a lot of these Dropout wannabes are forgetting is that Dropout has hundreds of comedians, actors, drag performers and more in their regular rotation of guests and no one is really focused on too heavily. They have their core members, but the amount of talent on that platform is unreal.
You totally earned an (unpaid) sub from me for this video, fantastic stuff and that skit at the end was hilarious.
To add onto the whole subscription thing: if I remember correctly, Dropout gave out many many codes and discounts when they were launching their own service. They were also transparent about prices rising in the future I believe as well.
Plus when dropout launched it was purely ADDITIVE. Dropout laughed with 9 new shows and the regular RUclips uploads continued for over a year. And now they don’t take down fan clips/fan animations, which allows a lot of community interaction and discoverability
Plus dropout has SO. MANY. SHOWS. so if you like their content you’ll pretty much never have nothing to watch. But since it’s not story based shows you never feel the analysis paralysis that Netflix or other services give you
@@placeholderdoe I'm also fairly sure Sam has gone on record saying it's totally chill to password share your Dropout account?
@@sentimentalexisyep when the netflix crackdown on password sharing happened he tweeted encouraging people to share their dropout accounts with friends and family
Drop out also reached a point where the were like "hey we're doing really well, let's cut the cost to make it easier for people!"
ngl the vibe I got from te Try Guys announcement was less "shit, we need to backpedal and slap it on the announcement" and more "shit, we need to make it clear we're not making those mistakes". It's possible they were planning to entirely jump ship but considering how they already crosspost or produce shows on other platforms like their tv shows (and the scandal requiring them to keep as many revenue streams as possible) I doubt they were going to pull a Watcher
I genuinely don't think there's a single RUclipsr that I'd be willing to pay a monthly subscription fee for. That's not to say I don't have RUclipsrs I like, but with something like Netflix, you're getting a wide variety of content with tons of styles, voices, and genres; if it's just one RUclipsr, you're only getting one thing. I'd be way more interested in a service where multiple RUclipsrs come together (which I know exists with stuff like Nebula) than a single service for one person/group
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I agree
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@@R_XD743 how are you gonna misspell something that you just spelled right
That's partly why I don't pay for Patreon and the like. I'd want a variety of stuff, and paying $5+ for each person I want to support would cost way too much.
I give Smosh 5 bucks a month but it’s not really that much more content. It’s BTS for main channel videos.
I do it because I really love Smosh and the content they produce + I enjoy the fact they’re willing to put it out for free.
and now i know where a jacksfilms parody comes from
the fact that you learned about the Watcher situation from a jacksfilms parody... causes me to assume that you're living a decent life not being on the internet or digital media often, good on ya
I wish you would have talked more about what made Dropout work where these others failed. The main reason is that Dropout was producing tons of original shows for their new platform. It wasn't just their RUclips content on a new site, it was tons of brand new stuff *on top of* their existing stuff that was going out on RUclips. Nowadays they focus on those original shows and I and many others couldn't be happier.
Not to mention the full seasons they upload for free on RUclips as hype for new ones! I watched Fantasy High seasons 1 and 2 for completely free before deciding “yeah I wanna buy a sub to watch the final season”
I checked and Dropout launched with something like 9 original series announced or already on there, Watcher launched with 2 announced (one being that they would continue an old series with a vote by the audience for which one, so it wasn’t in production)
I may be the only one with this perspective, but for a number of years now I've been a big fan of Dropout and the potential Dropoutification/Studioification of RUclips channels. This is all to say with so many large studios merging and more and more movies and TV shoes being pumped out and left to die in the ocean of content that is Netflix/Disney+/Prime, we're losing the great lower/mid-budget media that might appeal to a smaller audience but has tons of merit but just isn't being made. These smaller streamers that don't have the overhead or expectations of tranditional movie studios (unlike other studios-turned-streamers like Paramount) can try out all these new and innovative things and cater to a smaller audience.
Sure, it's possible to do amazing things on RUclips alone - just look at Joel Haver and his work this year - but to be able to employ a large number of people and, more importantly, compensate everyone (regardless of the size of the team) for their labour, it seems like alternate funding models are necessary. For channels that don't aspire to become mini studios, like most of those which offer memberships/Patreon (which I see as more of support for creators than studio monetization), RUclips with Patreon and Nebula is great. But for those that do, and produce quality shows people are willing to pay for, subscriptions seem like a great option to me. Yes, they do remove some of the free content, but Dropout's example of still offering a significant amount of content for free seems like a good example I hope future creators follow, as the Try Guys are (potentially even moreso).
I think this is where I see the biggest difference between Dropout and 2ndTry and Watcher - the first two had a proven track record of making new show concepts and executing on them. On the other hand, Watcher has only really done a small number of shows for years and years which aren't very innovative or are just remakes of shows from their Buzzfeed era. While it's definitely true that the announcement played a big part in the differing responses as well, it's hard to ignore the fact that people are just less willing to pay for that kind of content in the same way they're not willing to pay for streaming services that don't offer new shows they want to watch, even if they have a great back catalogue (see: Peacock).
Just needed to say, great comment
Hit the nail on the head.
I think the problem is that most youtubers aren't the kind of people making TV shows and movies, so when they get their own platforms, that's not independent media creators, that's just more youtube-style stuff: prank videos, challenge videos, rant videos, blogs etc. Dropout is the exception and even then mostly does game shows.
for me the best thing which has been done like this is nebula, people still upload to youtube but upload some nebula exclusive stuff. also its not just one person, its a whole platform with a bunch of people
The thing is that people are trying to turn RUclips, one of of the few free streaming services, into something that’s the exact opposite of that. RUclips memberships and other paid features are done well because they’re 100% optional, and you can still watch the creators you love for free (Most of the time, the same thing can even be said for Patreon as well). So when these channels on RUclips decide to put the entirety of their content onto a paywalled website, it really makes one upset with the creators of what was once a free form of entertainment.
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Tryguys: Haha I hope our fans like our streaming service announcement. Wait, what's happening with Watcher? OH GOD QUICK WE NEED TO TELL THEM WE'RE NOT LEAVING
I don't understand why youtubers don't just join nebula. It was literally made by creators for creators
Maybe nebula didn’t allow them to. Can’t let just anybody in maybe
I feel like Nebula is more for educational content, like Video essays and stuff
@@thepancakereviewerHaven't really watched Watcher's stuff, but from what I've heard, they'd fit in well there.
@@Slymeball Not every creator would fit tho. Nebula’s goal seems to be more related to education, while it seems like most RUclipsrs produce entertainment.
I honestly feel like they should join Dropout and have their new content up there, both Watcher and The Try Guys humour works with them, Plus Grant O'brien (one of Dropouts comedians) is already in a bunch of Try Guys videos that are coming up. Add onto the fact that creators are already working with Dropout to put up exclusive content, it would just make more sense
(To be honest) with the try guys interview with anthony padilla Zach did mention them talking to sam about how to manage their streaming service... but the iphone thing was something i never catched on to.
love that everyone has now just accepted that 'the apology couch' is common terminology
This might be a hot take but as someone who likely won't ever subscribe to any of these platforms, I do still get why they're doing it. The Try Guys have explained on their podcast and other places that constantly trying to appease the youtube algorithm in order to stay afloat financially forced them to start making content they weren't proud of, that made them lose interest, and that ultimately wasn't entertaining to their actual subscribers. They realized they had to either continue doing that and get burnt out, make the content they want to make on youtube but lose to the algorithm and eventually go out of business, or make a subscription platform.
Now, I hadn't actually really noticed that detail you mentioned about their announcement video and if their plan was to keep everything locked behind a paywall like Watcher, that would be really tone-deaf, no excuse there, but ultimately it doesn't seem like they're making this platform to get more money to become rich, but rather to be able to stay afloat at all. This might be wrong but I do think most of their expansions happened before their views started to drop (mainly due to a certain event) and so it's not that they've expanded more than they can afford and have to compensate to avoid layoffs.
Missing out on some exclusives definitely sucks but I get needing more of an incentive to get people to subscribe, and if it means better content (of which I'm still getting a majority of for free on youtube, even if it's a little later) I'm all for it and hope they can make what they love now thanks to this.
I agree with your take, and it does make a lot of finacial and business sense.
try guys are also not _just_ putting their regular youtube content on 2nd try, which i think a lot of people are missing. part of the reason they made it was to be able to produce a ton of new stuff with new people. some of their new shows don’t involve zach and keith at all.
You know what's really funny to me, Watcher and Try Guys would probably fit in really well on Dropout, like surely it would have been more financially viable for them to make deals with Dropout. Make a show or two for Dropout, help them grow their subscriptions a bit and then slowly move over to the platform entirely, dropout gets more subscribers, Watcher and Try Guys get a more stable platform and we all get more content for a fairer price
Try guys and College Humor have collaborated in the past, at least for one skit. Would have been pretty easy
@@byakuyatogami2905 absolutely, they've also already been on Dropout shows
@@byakuyatogami2905Keith and Zach have actually appeared on Dropout recently. They were on Um, Actually
@@byakuyatogami2905Keith and Zach were on Um, Actually pretty recently.
I saw that “all we wanted was you” comment on the original video and god it is such a gut punch because its true. I followed them to watcher from buzzfeed unsolved but over the years i just. stopped watching. and only recently did i realize why
i dont want that big production stuff, i dont want it to feel like tv, i wanted ryan and shane in a room together just talking.
With dropout there are dozens of shows original shows, they still maintain free stuff online and don't care about people reposting clips, it's cheap, Sam's totally down with password sharing, and they're always very transparent on costs and how the point is to pay their workers well. Plus people have mad respect for Sam for snatching up the show from collegehumor primarily to keep his friends employed. Hell, thanks to a talk with Hank Green we even know that when Apple demands they pay 30% of the sub price for the honor of being on the apple store, they don't even pass that on to us, they keep it at the same rate as elsewhere and just eat the cost.
With Sam...like, he's rich and the son of a Secretary of Labor. He's frankly good on cash and always has been, and is big on workers' right. He's doing this for the joy of it, not for the money (not that it's unwanted) and passes that onto us. I get more value and quality from that than any other subscription I've had, and it really does come off as a self-sustaining passion project. These other people...tbh their heart's not in the same place and they're not providing nearly the same value anyway. If this was a BUNCH of people joining together, like Nebula did for education stuff, it would be different. But the others just don't have what it takes. Like they cannot match that standard, they don't have the cash to keep up the production speed to make it worth it.
as I've heard others say, you can take a person out of buzzfeed, but you can't take buzzfeed out of the person
The thing that is aggravating is that each youtube is doing this separately. The only exception is nebula
It wasn't just the drop-in edits at the end, it was the "obviously reading a sheet of paper below the camera" that did it for me, WELL DONE.
I’m subscribed to Dropout and it’s the best thing I’ve ever done. It’s actually good content for an affordable price. They aren’t just trying to get more money off of you.
I get that RUclipss partner program can be really annoying at times, but locking your content behind a subscription is so awful. Its only a single creator, and if everyone that was monetized favored the $5.99 a month, for every creator you watch on RUclips it would all add up so quickly if it caught on. If its an OPTION, thats cool, exclusive content from your favorite creators if you wanna support the creator, but this exclusive subscription bs sounds like locking every video behind a paywall which is just scummy.
Also love the new site you launched, great content on there 🙏🙏
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@@snakesbeeard oh 🤣i dont remember this
dropout is honestly amazing.
Cant wait for the ottomatone subscription service
Good Mythical Morning did it correctly. Their Mythical Society is a good mix of supplemental uploads and exclusive product offerings that the fans seem to love.
5:20 they addressed that someone on their team suggested they make it very clear that they're not leaving. They also said they were super upset that eugene's departure was the headline on every single article, rather than the fact that they were introducing 9 new cast members. The try guys did it very right, and knowing their success on top of dropout's, there's definitely gonna be some shills that hop on the bandwagon of "we can be a network too!!!!! money!!!!"
and not to call you a "money hungry youtuber," sully... but this video seems hastily thrown together and poorly researched
The only time I've seen a streaming service from a channel done right firsthand is Trilogy Media. They have both paid and free options, but most of the content by itself is free just so there's not a censorship wall protecting scammers. The paid content is mostly miscellaneous or an uncut interview from a scam victim or something. It's all done well. That said, I wish more channels did it right like Trilogy Media.
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@@R_XD743you're fun aren't you? I'm sure everyone loves your truly exquisite humor
dropout itself is an amazing streaming service though, i recommend subscribing to it
gone from making own websites, to youtube, back to own websites
It feels like these other channels don’t understand what makes Dropout work at all
One thing about college humor/dropout. In the older days of RUclips it was a very normal thing to have a youtube channel to tey and gain popularity, then have your own website with additional videos that run more profitable ads. Some of you may have heard about groups like Normal Boots, or Hidden Block.
College humor has been part of early youtube for a good while. Back when even this was the norm. So for them to do it just makes a lot more sense to move to their own website.
RUclips can be a pain in the pooper, especially when it comes to creative control, ya gotta think big about it
Correction: dropout subscriptions start at $5.99 a month or 59.99 yearly now. I say now btw bc they were originally $4.99 a month and 47.99 yearly and when they announced the price increase they allowed those subscribed to the old price to continue to subscribe to the cheaper price, so another example of dropout appearing less of a cash grab than these other streaming services. Not sure where the 3.99 dollars a month figure came from.
Annual plans start at $47.99 for first time subscribers, bringing the total down to a possible $3.99 a month
I will never sign up for a paid subscription to anything as long as even the possibillity of a future free version exists. I'd be much more inclined to pay if RUclips hadn't existed for free for my entire adult life.
This analysis starts too late to understand the success of dropout.
College humor was a profitable video service. Facebook’s lies over Facebook video killed College Humor.
Unlike the other options here, Dropout was built off the back of a profitable non-youtube video service. The youtube content was always drips of sample content, never the primary means of viewership.
Moreover, dropout wasn’t building exclusive premium content on top of a full time load of free RUclips content like a lot of the other launches.
I think what also really helped make Dropout work was because it came out when the company was about ready to go bankrupt and facing the very real risk of nearly a decades worth of content dissappearing forever. It was less of a new revenue to make more money, and more as a last ditch effort to save College Humor's legacy. I get why the idea is appealing, but Watcher and the Try Guys were doing just fine, and they really should have considered other options first.
i don’t know much about watcher’s whole deal, it frankly seems very tone deaf, but i do know a lot about the try guys. try guys lost millions of dollars buying ned’s share of the company. when that whole thing happened, they almost went under. they considered a lot of things - i’ve listened to them talk about it on their own podcast, in videos, on “i spent a day with” with anthony padilla, etc. the reason they settled on a streaming service was because they weren’t making enough money off of the stuff they actually wanted to be making. they’re adding cast members, exclusive shows, etc, and still uploading to youtube. they also consulted sam reich a lot about dropout and streaming and the do’s and don’t’s.
I feel like this was one of the many instrumental parts of Dropout's success, one that a lot of people overlook. Watcher definitely wasn't on the verge of death like CollegeHumour was at the time
Uhhh when you said you didn't hear anyone talking about the second try and Eugene announcements being so close and stuff, did you consider actually seeking out people talking about it? Because Anthony Padilla interviewed them and they explicitly talked about that being on purpose because of the bad blood between them and more mainstream media after the Ned snl fiasco.
Honestly, I’m surprised you didn’t bring up Nebula here.
In the beginning he said services for 1 specific channel. Nebula is a big group of creators
@@SodorTimesToday True, Nebula is a bit different to what he’s talking about, but I thought he’d at least mention it
@@SodorTimesTodayTho to be honest, seeing “a single RUclips channel” as a meaningful unit of Content was probably the reason all these channels tried & failed to replicate Dropout. Yes, technically CollegeHumor was one sketch comedy channel. But even before Dropout, it had a bigger writing & production staff than most other sketch RUclips channels. And on Dropout, they made sure to diversify content early on so people with multiple interests would join.
Also Critical Role did the same thing.
Honestly I think the main difference to me is that Dropout is designed for a wide variety of shows with a MASSIVE cast (even before it went to dropout the cast was big and Um Actually had a ton of regular guest cast) so each show feels even more different and so worth it's own site, but all of these have a pretty small cast, and have a smaller number of more specific show formats, so what's the point? If any of these channels branched out the way dropout did they'd be unrecognisable since the main reason people watch them is the main cast. It's gonna take a while for non-die-hard try guys viewers to pay for content with none of the original cast
Okay but to add on to the Watcher situation, They literally have a patreon that earned them at minimum 100k a month basically. So they weren't low on funds they just really wanted to get as much money as possible
Its was either that they were greedy and really just wanted money, or that they were extremely bad at managing their money even with this much income(as well as very profitable sponsor deals). Both options are not something you would want to give money to
for you "plagarizing" hbomberguy you aren't. you're crediting them
6:12 Nah you got all the charisma. I love your videos 😄
If RUclips would stop their heavy censorship none of this would be happening. I know they're trying to make it more child friendly but seriously they need to stop cuz they're about to lose most most big RUclipsrs cuz of their heavy censorship.
I'm interested to see what happens with this, because my theory is that the vast majority of youtube channels, even the ones with big fanbases, are entirely dependent upon being within the youtube environment. The big sticking point for these subscriptions I don't think is whether or not people will be willing to pay the price, I think it's whether or not people will actively seek out content by those specific youtubers, going off youtube to get it.
Cos the thing is, youtube already has a "channel membership" thing, and some youtubers already do mostly members only videos, and it works fine for them. That's already pretty much the same thing as having a subscription service. So these youtubers are buying their own servers and websites and authentication systems and payment systems just to not have to give google a cut of their membership fees, and I'm not convinced that that'll actually work without videos popping up in people's aggregated feeds.
Cautiously staring at Smosh 🗿
Fair but not all the contents are locked behind the paywalls. You can still watch Smosh , Smosh pit , Smosh games, Smosh cast.
@@IAARPOTI More in the sense that I fear they'd switch to this model. I'm very much enjoying what I'm getting so far!
@@MeepsNcheese once they did that, their business will on the graveyard. They would never dig their own grave. Especially around defy age. They fought back so hard that they aren't letting their second chance goes wasted.
Smosh is already making extra income via memberships on Smosh main so probably not unless it is cheaper to run the outside sub service compared to paying out the RUclips fee
I started noticing this when Patrick “I’m clearly doing this because my one “film” flopped” Willems started hawking Nebula along with everyone else who clearly had other ambitions and are just using RUclips to piggyback off of them.
Despite the giant mega otamatone in the background, I didn't realize who I was watching until about 7 minutes in.
I think your coverage of this is kind of disappointing - especially the part where you claim “everyone is trying to copy dropout TV”
Sam Reich personally helped the try guys build their business model as mentioned in their interview with Anthony Padilla. That doesn’t feel like copying that feels like intelligence and protecting their own asses.
Edit: I watched a few more minutes and you made another shady ass claim that stinks of a rushed youtube video with no attention to detail.
I don’t even particularly like these guys but they have outwardly talked about doing the Eugene announcement at the same time as making them part of the same news cycle and to specifically distract journalists with a hatred for them after the SNL scandal.
You could have watched the three or four videos they have put out on various channels to actually be informed for this. Disappointing, will not be returning to your under informed content where you take cheap disprovable potshots at bigger creators.
There are a lot of RUclipsrs I like and if I was some kinda millionaire I'd gladly support. But even ignoring money, I'm not going to go to a whole separate website just for a single RUclipsr. I watch RUclips mostly on my TV so I'd have to use my phone which is a no that kd for me. I'm already sick of every RUclipsr having a patreon (or similar) so having a subscription service for individual accounts is awful. I just miss when RUclips was about having fun and just uploading whatever, not trying to earn maximum revenue 24/7.
Try guys are way more valid. People WERE asking for more, but that’s not sustainable for RUclips. They did it right
agree! the comparisons to watcher make sense because of how close in time they were, but they knew what they were doing way more
Oof, yeah, the whole thing with watcher entertainment was recieved about as well as interupting a funeral to defecate into the coffin.
Lost a lot of respect for the ghoul boys that day.
Edit: fun fact, the domain "tv" does not stand for "television", it stands for "Tuvalu".
The only one of these that i feel make sense are like nebula and dropout
Sully, why did you appear in my sub feed and ask for $60? You know I'm broke, why did you have to call me a cheapskate?
Subscription for with ad makes it hard for companies to get costumers,it should be illegal because advertising is important as long they fellow guidelines
Can't wait for the Jacksfilms Cinematic Universe Subscription Service, The Sully Show showing off each of your otamatones. Plus all the other mods of JFilms too?! sign me up!
I love how he spent thousands of dollars on animatronics 5 months ago and haven’t posted a video about it
The only channel you listed that I even recognized was college humor. I watched a couple of their videos 7 years ago.
Taking down content on RUclips and putting a paywall behind it is a bad enough idea as is. RoosterTeeth before they went under were probably told to take down all of the free access to RvB and the people that were left to care about RoosterTeeth were pissed. A little unrelated, but when Machinima went under, they as well killed off free access to the years and years of content and people were mad at that as well. The point is, if people have easy access to content and then it gets locked away, people are gonna be mad to begin with. Even when these practices are expected from big companies, people get mad, so imagine if you don’t even have the appearance and identity of a big company. Even if you are technically a company behind the scenes, your average viewer doesn’t really see that or understand the scope of that. Strapping on a paywall for the normal content that you had for free to begin with sucks. GMM and Smosh I think got it sorta figured out. While I will say, at least for Smosh in some aspects, has overpriced content, it is EXTRA content different from the main stuff. It’s also a one time payment and only for special events. Let’s hope these content creators have the dedication to keep at it with these “higher quality,” videos.
I stopped trying to watch RWBY after roosterteeth removed all the old seasons from RUclips, the app was awful and when I heard roosterteeth was shutting down I was kinda delighted. The app was so bad
@@allison6883 I wouldn’t say I was delighted to hear about RT shutting down. I feel bad a lot of people were out of a job just like that with no warning. What I will say is that it is gonna be nice once RWBY’s accessibility returns to how it was: free on RUclips, as it seems the RWBY team has the rights to make more
sully can you do another video on the friday night funkin update that realease like a week after your last one?
I think to your point about the Try Guys dropping their Eugene video immediately after their subscription platform. I agree it was probably a marketing move, but I would also imagine after the Ned SNL thing they’re probably trying to be overly cautious with their reputation as a business as opposed to something untoward going on. Or maybe I have way too much faith in them and the whole thing is shady 😂
i don’t know that it was a marketing move. they said themselves that they wanted to announce it sooner, but i think they wanted to wait for the streamer to be ready to announce it so they could announce the new cast members and people wouldn’t be worried it’d just be the zach and keith show
Yup I dont think id pay for a single youtubers videos. I already canceled netflix why would i spend money on youtube? Except yours of course because i dont want to be murdered
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I mean it's about the same cost as a twitch sub is it really that unreasonable?
YOOO I knew I recognized you saw you on AGT. Sorry it didn’t go so well 😅
I'mma be honest. There isn't a single RUclipsr or Twitch streamer that I'm gonna pay a subscription to. RUclips is free and I have an adblocker. The most I'll do is like, comment, and sub.
sully uncut comfirmed?
I saw sully on AGT. anyone else see this?
Between Patreon and Nebula, there's no good reason to do this.
Critical Role also announced their own streaming service
Making youtube a for profit platform was the most moronic decision they did. But then again. Google lies the problen
6:39 I just counted. *Only 39 of my subscriptions have posted a video in the last year, (2 of those being YOU).* 😁
That means my bill at max would be around $190 a month ($2,280 a year, assuming no discounts for "annual bundles" or something like that). 😋
6:53 Let's be real, some people might actually pay for that if it included *your otamatone content* too. 😏
They actually said Patrons get free subscriptions to the platform Lol
Hasn't that whole "youtube channel streaning" started with Rooster Teeth?
7:09 hilaroussss🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sorry but can you do an update on your animatronics?😊😊
Corridor has been the only youtube channel i have paid for a subscription because of how they do it the content has exclusive bts and things that cant be shown on youtube like nsfw or copyrighted music for 2 seconds in the youtube release and they actually nake you feel like you get something as they make short films with high production value.
The try guys and these others have no true reason to have a subscription model. Who wants to pay monthly to watch a try guy eat food for 10 minutes?
Some of their new stuff has been a lot cooler than try guy eat food for 10 minutes
Im not paying for a try guys subscription but I think you are severely under estimating those guys
I like corridor but I didn't even know they had paid subscription and absolutely wouldn't think it would be worth it
@allison6883 it's only two of the four left in the try guys. corridor makes short films and TV shows
I honestly thought Critical Role was gonna be in this because they've basically just announced their own streaming service. I can't afford to pay for any of these services, so when someone I watch announces they're starting one and they're not gonna be uploading to RUclips I'm just like "Whelp, bye then" and unsub.
The difference is critical role introduced the service as a substitute for subbing to twitch and/or channel memberships while adding extra on top that they couldn't do with either of those. If you never subscribed to begin with, NOTHING changes.
@@yoshistarhunter Yeah I know that, but it did make me a bit concerned when I originally saw the video because of how other channels have done it.
Are you the otamatone guy?
Ah yes watcher decided to strike while the iron was hot in the streaming service market… a whole 6 years after dropout started. (To be clear not defending what they did the way they announced the service sucked and was super tone deaf)
WHY ARE YOU ON AGT 😂
I think this is funny, but like the kind of funny where you make fun of dumb people for thinking about money too much. I can get the idea of wanting to get money and the monkey brain going "ooh they made thing using this thing, I should use the thing to do the same it will totally work!!!!1!" but god damn do they not see "locking everything we got behind a paywall" as one of the worst ideas you can have? oh you enjoy our free water? we changed it so you have to buy a monthly membership to get "FREE" water
You should look at Nebula!
WAH!!!!!(FINALY!!!!! IN OTOMATONE)
Why didn’t you mention Nebula
Is it a post-buzzfeed problem? Like if I had nickel for every time an ex-buzzfeed ran RUclips group made a streaming announcement I’d have two nickels which isn’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice, right?
Just subscribed
I can’t wait for a future when these new subscription services shut down and end up just licensing their content to other platforms, hopefully either Dropout or Nebula to really make a point lmao
Hi
Love free content becoming pay walled... SMH
Sully, clearly you need to make your content a price everyone can afford: $999 a week /j
Where’s the fnf update video?
there is onee :)
No I mean the weekend 1 update
That was about the merch that video
why aren't you talking about fnf
I don't know why these channels don't collectively organise, get like 15-20 channels together and collectively make a streaming service. Y'know, like Nebula.
Chi y cheeze
I’ve never heard of them and will obviously never care about them
Thanks for sharing, I hope your time on this planet is as invaluable as this comment :)
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Isn't one of the try guys already on watcher?
That reminds me, VivziePop kind of did just that with Hazbin Hotel getting paywalled to Amazon Prime
completely different, amazon prime is a subscription service with mountain loads of other content and services, it’s not like the creator released a streaming service just for hazbin hotel and helluva boss
This is completely different from getting your show pitched to a streaming service. This is more like if Vivziepop created her own streaming service to host only Hazbin Hotel and Helluva Boss for $7.99 a month.
Something to note, is that even Dropout isn’t original. They are just parodying Nebula.
Wrong. Dropout launched on September 2018, Nebula on May 2019.
If anything, Nebula is parodying Dropout.