I have this laptop with me for a month now, and while it's not perfect, it's definitely the most versatile laptop I've used. I've gone through 4 laptops over the last two years and I would end up having to sell them after only 6-8 months; But this one I'll probably keep for a minimum of 2-3 years.
Any chance you can comment on the pen? I'd like to know if the stylus and screen have enough levels of pressure sensitivity & accuracy to be a Wacom replacement for design use.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Any chance you can comment on the pen more specifically? I'd like to know if the stylus and screen have enough levels of pressure sensitivity & accuracy to be a Wacom replacement for design use!
@@mrowl8515 they have enough levels of sensitivity to do most of the work u need However, wacom is more towards professionals especially if you're drawing slowly ( wacom lines will bot wiggle ) Expect a bit of wiggling on the laptop lines if you're drawing very slowly
I want to agree with you because it’s so close and that is exactly the sentiment I am excited to have towards it but I won’t feel that way until they upgrade MPP 2.0 to MPP 2.5. That is the only thing holding me back from this device. They had the opportunity to upgrade it for this newest gen that is releasing but they didn’t. maybe they don’t have rights to it yet..?? hopefully the following gen will have it 🙃
Great review! So a couple of improvements from someone who has tested the final retail unit: - The CPU runs at up to 95 watts! In a 10-minute Cinebench loop I repeatedly got a sustained 93-94w throughout (15k score). - HDR can be turned on when on battery to achieve peak brightness off the charger. Simply select “optimize for image quality” in Windows HDR settings and hit Win+Alt+B to activate HDR. - Battery life is better in final retail models. Me as well as other owners have easily scored 7-8 hours of battery life when web browsing/RUclips playback. Great review again! I know you already sent your review unit back, but just wanted to make others aware of these improvements to expect on the retail models.
I know, unfortunately we had to send our review unit back rather quickly since Asus needed it for Gamescom :/ Otherwise I would have opened it up. Have a look at our written review, Marvin actually opened it up!
Very fair review. I just got mine a couple days ago and I am really impressed. Compromise is often seen as a negative word but in this case, it is very positive. Let's say this laptop is well balanced, whatever your use cases are.
Congrats man! That is what I was trying to communicate, there can not be a laptop that does it all perfectly, and as you already mentioned, it is about balance. And I agree Asus did a fantastic job with the Flow X16
@@popeye82 Frankly, it does not bother me at all. Sure, you will have to hold your screen or better to turn the screen all the way to 360° if you want to use a pencil but in daily use, it's absolutely not a problem. When you type or game, it does not move at all.
I think this review has essentially solidified the flow x16 as my next laptop. Im a college student whos basically been wanting a Mac that can run windows. Powerful when needed for content creation, but a long battery life wheb just doing productivity work in Chrome and such. I need a lot of good port options, color accurate display, and hopefully a 16:10 screen. The video title seems perfect to my feelings about the x16: nothing in this machine is the top line. (Save for maybe the processor). The gpu is 2nd best, the screen is 2nd best, the battery life (as discussed from retail users and other reviewers) is decent but not the best of the best, the keyboard and trackpad are great but not XPS-level, and the ports (for me at least) are 1 or 2 modifications shy of perfect. Almost nothing about this machine is the absolute best, but its all in a package that compromises in a way Id consider ~almost~ perfect. The biggest frustration for me is just the port situation. The micro sd card slot feels like a massive middle finger to content creators when this is clearly a content creation machine. You can adapt micro sd to sd but not vis-versa, come on Asus. Im also a bit nervous about battery life with my 50 Chrome tabs productivity habit, but the 100w usb-c charging support make me comfortable enough to make it work. Great review of a great product. I think theres an x16 in my near future =]
Thank you for your comment, Josiah. And I am glad we have been able to transport what makes the Flow such a great package. I agree with the SD card reader. If they couldn't fit the full-size reader, I think I would prefer an additional USB or something.
I bought it for kinda the same usecase as you. College laptop during the day, and playing some games back at home during the night. I bought the lower tier machine because only that was available in my country, so it has a ryzen 7 and a 3060 with 16gb of RAM. Man I love this thing. Absolutly solid battery life, I almost never bring my charger with me to college, or if I need a quick charge 20 minutes is enough to keep it alive for another lecture. And yes there is the PD option too. Gaming is what I tought is going to be the biggest compromise, but its handling games far better than my previous zephyrus with an 8th gen i7 and a 2070 did. Absolutely enough gaming performance for me, knowing that if I unplug it I can just toss it into my bag and I have an ultrabook, or a tablet if I want. Touchpad is big, responsive and have a good feel to it, and the keyboard is very very good, at least for me, I love laptop keyboards. Im not a big mechanic keyboard kinda guy, altough I have one. I would say if you havent already, give it a chance, it is the closest perfect all around laptop that you can buy right now.
@@szadam0673 I had the G15 but kept having display QC problems. This went on sale on Best Buy recently. There was no way I could pass up the offer. The display is just beautiful, and the aspect ratio is just perfect. The best part is this that this laptop has no QC issues as of now. I got the rtx 3060 model which unfortunately does not have the mini-led display.
@@szadam0673 Hii, I'm also looking to buy (ryzen 7, 16gb, 3060) for college, I am looking 2in1 because I want to take notes on it during lectures, and then I need performance for coding and machine learning. How was your experience so far? I see online that a lot of people having issues with SSD did you face such issues?
You are more than welcome! Have fun with your new laptop. I fell you. It always takes me a couple of days to get used to laptops without num pads. But it is doable, and you get that fantastic MiniLED Display in exchange.
Hey there Guys. Have you all looked at the IPS version. Best Buy had it on sale for $1099.99 ($900 off!!!). It has the 3060 vs 3070 TI which I realize is a big difference, but my main use case is 75% work and 25% valorant so the 3060 is more than enough. I've got a pen on order and I'm waiting to see how it all comes together. I already have an XG Mobile 3080 so if I need more GPU when at my desk, I can just use as a dock and call it a day. I've not seen ANYONE review the IPS 3060 model and was hoping that you all had some insight. Thanks in advance. Cheers Rick
We just reviewed the 2023 with the regular IPS, and its been really good. I assume the same holds true for the 2022 version. I'm also pretty sure it is the same screen, with a different backlight.
@@NotebookcheckReviews - thanks for the reply. I’m still shocked to have gotten the 2022 for such a discount. I know it’s “Last Gen,” but it’s still an awesome product. Now I need to sell all my old gear I bought getting to this point! Cheers Rick
Thanks for this review! Is there any chance that when reviewing other pen-compatible devices you can make a few jitter/line tests and if possible recommend a pen for it? Some of us are looking for a device that can be a laptop and a wacom screen at the same time. Cheers!
You are more than welcome. I can look into the line tests, but I am not sure if my hand is stable enough for that ;) But yeah, I will try to remember to specifiy which Pen I use. This time it was the Asus Pen itself :)
It this one (affil Link) but be aware that it is a bit flimsy for such a big laptop/tablet and you have to be careful not to scratch your device! www.amazon.com/Ventilated-Universal-Lightweight-Adjustable-Ergonomic/dp/B07SBM5TZH?tag=notebookcheck-youtube-20
@@NotebookcheckReviews I can't believe it, that would be my main buy or not reason, even knowing it would drain battery fast, I want to have it as an option! Are you really really sure? :( Because some one else had that setting turned off and they claim hdr is working on battery that way... or do you mean the peak brightness/multizone mini led is what's limited then?
It seems like it was just a limitation of our pre-production device. As you said, some other people say it is possible to turn HDR on, on battery. But I can not confirm it for you. I hope I will be able to get a production unit in the studio soon.
What are you interested in? I used it for some of my retouching work, and it was fine. So it should give you no problem with sculpting and animation. I can not comment on illustration tho.
Same here, I'd like to know if it has similar levels of pressure sensitivity. Smoothing can be sorted digitally in Adobe settings, but pressure can't be emulated. I have read on reddit that people are successfully using MS surface pens and they're better than the included Asus stylus since the MS software is native to the OS. Definitely worth looking into!
My biggest issue with this laptop is that the lower end SKU with the RTX 3060 and RTX 3050 does not come with the same display; or at least they stopped the lower cheaper models from having the good display panel.
I agree with a point raised by some other reviews and comments regarding the microSD card. Since it sits flush with the laptop when inserted, the micro SD card can be treated as an easy (and relatively cheap) storage expansion.
While this is true, it is not the fastest solution. I think you would be better off adding a second NVME drive. Even the cheapest one will perform much better than a micro sd card.
A ton of time testing this thing is just about right ^^ Too bad I feature such a bad pic of me on the NBC website lol. Nice additional infos btw! ! Don't say I lost that rubber cover for the XG port :o
0:27 : It just reminds me when visiting Photo Studio. You Know, He use PC with kinda Old Specs for now, as Photo Editing Machine. But yeah, he use Pad with Stylus and Connected via USB which is not as Interactive as real Touch Screen. This seems suit for Him and make edit photos on PhotoShop just a Breeze
Alternate.de has it in stock, but it is a german retailer: www.alternate.de/ASUS/ROG-Flow-X16-(2022)-(GV601RW-M5082W)-Gaming-Notebook/html/product/1846168
Thanks for this great review, two questions; 1 how does this screen compare for consumption to a oled (the 120hz of the ProArt studio 16) 2; do you think the flex in the hinge wil be a problem for long time use?
You are more than welcome, Raymond. Being a bit of an OLED enthusiast myself, it is very similar. The OLED will give you better and deeper blacks, but the MiniLED gets significantly brighter. Of course, I can't say anything about the long-term use of the laptop since I only had it for about a week, but let's hope ROG did a great job with their hinge quality.
I'd be concerned about OLED:s with long-term use... Not just potential burn-in but also uneven color degradation with time... Mini-LED gives me peace of mind, excellent brightness, and good enough blacks...
11:54 I like the laptop/tablet stand you use. Where did you purchase that? Also, when it's flipped in tablet mode, isn't the fans from bottom of chassis obstructed?
It is a cheap and generic one from Amazon, it is pretty old, so I couldn't find it anymore. There is enough of a gab between the bottom panel and the display lid to still allow for adequate cooling.
This with 3070TI or the MSI Creator Z16P with 3070TI, so hard to choose! (Studying Architecture) - Great videos for both those computers though the hard choice 😅
I can not really talk about your use case but I would say the Flow is the better machine overall unless you really need that extra CPU performance from the Intel Chip. The Flow has better IO, better surface temps, and the ability to work on the screen directly in tablet mode. GPU performance should be higher too. That said, the Creator looks a bit cleaner and offers Thunderbolt connectivity .... it really is a tough choice between these two :O
Z16P seems to heat up very easily and the GPU is limited to 90w, which might be even slower than a full power rtx3060 For that I would choose the Flow x16 with 3060... just for more comfortable temperature and noise level
@@SuiTsuan_Ong I’ve bought the Z16P, and agree that it does heat up quite easily. I am though happy for the full-size SD-card reader and the screen is gorgeous (even though it’s not the same as that mini-led beauty). It’s a little more sleek in the design, but I’d definitely not have minded the X16’s design. I’m extremely happy for the intel processor because of my cpu-demanding workflow. It was hard as heck to choose and whatever you get is *chef kiss*
@@oliverkristensen8619 Glad you are happy with your final decision! I agree on the design part. I also wish flow x16 could have more "creator" or modern vibe in it, that would be perfect. TBH I am now also struggling between these 2 exact models for 3D modeling and motion design. But now the convertible form factor and temperature make me lean toward x16. Imagine if I can grab it around and draw... just not sure if it has good enough pen support lol
@@SuiTsuan_Ong I’d dare to say that if the X16 had a full-size SD-Card reader, I’d bought that one instead. Kinda the thing which bummed me the most. The Z16P might be a better all-around “traditional” laptop, since you also have a nice 1080p webcam installed. But if you don’t use SD-Cards, wouldn’t mind AMD or the 720p webcam, X16 might suit you better. But then again again, I truly understand NotebookCheck, I cannot decide for anyone else, as I don’t know you or anyone else preferences. It’s a hard choice, and I hope you figure it out! Either way they’re both fantastic.
Hm, it can get quite hot at the bottom panel, we wouldn’t recommend gaming with this guy on your lap in performance mode. Silent mode, might be an option …
Yes absolutely, the RTX 3070 Ti in this actually runs at a decent wattage considering the slim chassis! If you head over to our written review (link in the describtion) you can find quite a few gaming benchmarks!
Thanks for the great review! Can't wait to get this device in my hands. I ordered at Amazon Germany in July. Still waiting. Do you have any information about supply problems of the device?
if you lower the brightness a little bit - the screen is covered with dark floating spots and work (especially in gray-interface programs) is absolutely impossible
While I did not encounter your particular problem, have you tried changing the backlight option in the Armory Crate software? You can change the MiniLeds to behave like a single traditional back lighting zone, which I would recommend using for work.
Hey, bud, I think it was this one. It is cheap and flimsy, and you got to be careful not to scratch your machine, but it works ok. (affill link) www.amazon.com/Ventilated-Universal-Lightweight-Adjustable-Ergonomic/dp/B07SBM5TZH?tag=notebookcheck-youtube-20
Good question, I havent tested it in detail when I had it. But I could imagine temps will be marginally better in tent mode. But I do not think by much!
So far I'm only seeing these available in US as imports from SK. Would Korean setup/keyboard be much of an issue to a US English kb user? If so, any idea when they'll finally ship to US retailers?
Which laptop would you recommend for a student of communication design who wants a long term investment and wont be buying a new laptop anytime soon again?
Hi There! I see that you have a Caldigit dock station in the video, as far as I know this is a Thunderbolt dock station, did you test it with the Flow X16? does it work fine with external monitors of high refresh rate? Thanks in advance!!
Hi there. Unfortunately, I did not test it. But for it to work, the Flow X16 would have to support USB 4, which I am not sure it does right now. And I would not use it for high refresh rate monitors since thunderbolt always gets piped through the internal GPU ....
It is not just tablet mode. The screen is getting "hotter" in general. We assume because of the power consumption of the MiniLEDs. You usually wouldn't notice this, but since you interact with the screen much more, this being a convertible, I wanted to mention it.
Need help. Is the digitizer on it bad? Does it have the grid like structure where you can see small boxes that the entry level 2 in 1s have because that looks very ugly. Also, my usage is very limited. I am buying it just for the screen..i want it to be best..i will be watching movies, browsing and note taking..do let me know if it is made for me..will really appreciate your reply.
I'm thinking of getting this laptop for animating and illustrating. Did you find the screen getting hot on the palm/hand after using the style on the screen for a long period of time?
I loved the review by Alex. Now that I am at this point, I am a bit confused. Which laptop should I consider? The Lenovo Legion 5i Pro (2022) or the ASUS ROG Flow X16 (2022)?I have been a fan of Lenovo for quite awhile, and the 5i PRO is just a better option, but when ASUS came out with the X16 for gamers and creators, it was really the better approach for all types of consumers. I love to sketch and make renders. The Legion 5i Pro doesn't support touch or a stylus, but the X16 does. There are not so many gaming 2-in-1s with a 3060 or 3070Ti, so the X16 is more appealing. I have decided 90% that I am going to buy a Lenovo 5i Pro; the other 10% I am not sure about (touch screen and stylus). So that I can't decide which to go for now: ASUS or Lenovo, can you share your thoughts about it or which should I consider? Thank you.
While the Legions are really good and will probably not leave you disappointed, I personally would go with the Flow. Since I am a retoucher it is very usefull for me to use the stylus every now and then, and the MiniLED display is one of the best displays you can currently get.
Curios if a 32GB Optane SSD paired in Primocache with the PCIe 4.0 Nand flash SSD, will make any difference in system responsiveness. Level1Techs tested this, but that was on PCIe 3.0 I think
@@NotebookcheckReviews reason why x16 xg mobile vs x13 xg mobile would be interesting is they run the same CPU, but I think x16 runs at at higher wattage, but not sure how that impacts gaming performance. Also interesting to see x16 with xg mobile to test difference between 3070ti. Most people have just assumed it's not alot more, but given GPU heat would be shifted away from the chassis, so might be surprising.
Check the display section in our written review: www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Flow-X16-laptop-review-2-in-1-gamer-with-mini-LED.638734.0.html#toc-4 We measured 11 ms with our test equipment!
@@NotebookcheckReviews for the most part, yes! but the battery life is not great and the screen isn't the bright or vibrant. but the only other laptop ive owned was the macbook pro 14 to compare it too
@@NotebookcheckReviews Facts-orientated contents should be without background music to easier concentrate on the contents. Music with beats hurts me; classical music would at least not hurt but no music is the best. Music is an excuse for not providing noise samples.
While we want to provide facts, we also keep you guys entertained, and videos with background music are just easier to watch. We will have noise samples in the future and I am sure we can make it work with the background music ;)
i cant find an any pen information n best pens to use on it got it for Indy game dev an playing games so all i found out it supports mmp 2.0 on pen, but have no info on what draw pen to get for it can someone help me out looking for pens that work good with this when using z-brush for example
This laptop is so frustrating because there truly is nothing like it. I currently have a Legion 7i with 3070ti and I'm struggling to decide if the Flow x16 would be worth nearly $900 more, the display and larger trackpad blow my mind as someone who hasn't enjoyed drawing on Legion devices
I am personally OK with an NVIDIA card, but you are right. Imagine a 16:10 14" 120Hz OLED with something like a 6900 HS and RTX 3060 or optional AMD equivalent :O
Tough choice. If you are after the best possible performance, then the Legion 5 Pro would be your choice. But it is also a lot bigger (thicker and heavier). The Asus has the better display and is a bit sleeker, and of course, you have the added flexibility, it being a convertible. None of them will be a bad choice, but you have to consider what suits your needs best.
You can follow the link in the describtion that will take you the our website. In the GPU section you can easily add the Lenovo to the comparison field and then you get all the benchmark number side by side! Let me know if you need help with that!
Usb4 and full size SD card instead of so many USBA ports would make this awesome. Keyboard also feels better than g14/g15 to me. Windows boot time is also too slow by default but you can turn off onedrive and edge startup to speed it up. The IPS screen isn't bad but would have loved to see the microled on lower models.
I haven't met a laptop where the full size sd doesn't stick out... there are some people who watch the transfers, but micro is good enough for me since the unit has 2 slots and a micro.
You are welcome. I have the XG-Mobile with the 3080 in the Studio right now. I just have to wait and see if ASUS will send another Flow X16, so we get a chance to test ist.
@@NotebookcheckReviews oh, thank you for your fast response! In my area there are only two versions of this laptop available.(R9) 3070ti and (R9) 3070ti with eGPU RX6850M XT (25% more expensive). Do you think that that version with eGPU is even worth considering?
Mh I’m not sure to be honest. Check out our review for the new legion 7 on the website, it’s running a 6850xt, and compare benchmark scores. It’s of course not apples to apples but will give an idea what this gpu can do. Im testing a Z13 with the external 3080 right now and get about internal 3080ti performance out of it on an external screen (just with some rough glances and framerates, no proper testing) …
The external GPU is definitely the coolest part about this laptop to me, but the built-in 3070Ti kind of defeats the purpose of an external 3080. I wish they would've given the top spec a 3050 and made the whole thing thinner/lighter with better battery life.
Ecapt the using amd isntead of 12900h he too reflective pen and touch layer, the lac of print screen buttom, better speakers mics and webcam, and pen latency, and an offer for bigger 240 kinda like tdp laptop like rtx 4080 16gb option, and that connection shouldof been 90 degreed and longer. like this its bad. also 2.5gb ethernet, more usb-c, and lenovo legion like power port, and 135w wantt us-c power charging, with software and hardware utilizing all the 135w watts aailable, not like legion only using 99..
@@NotebookcheckReviews M16 not much thicker, and price doesnt matter if not more than legion :) but i would really like a legion spec like option too if you ask, i could be also 17 inches with the display size of new ps 17s. and also a 14.0 inch, same display spec verison with 12700-12900h and rt 3060 60-70w option, same thickness slim basels all around in a 2 in form factor with 0.2 sec pen latency. but if possibly i would use the iphone 14 pro 2000 nit qhd inda like 120hz oled panel on all devices, a 240 hz if possibly, and 3k ress or maybe 280hz is possibly like in new eve scpectrum, so... lets go. :)
@NotebookcheckReviews yeah my gf also heard it. It was a bummer as I waited to buy this laptop for some time and now not sure what to do so I don't end up with yet another coil whine :)
Im pretty sure there is no difference between 3070 ti and 3080. The only use of 3080 is to keep the laptop less hot. Do an experiment yourself and show us.
Probably when using the internal display. But when you use it with an external display I could imagine the difference being more significant. But yeah I want to do a test with an external 4k monitor ...
What is Asus thinking? If they're serious about the egpu solution, there's no need to sell the laptop with a dGPU. If they think people need more than one GPU for machine learning etc. they should make the dGPU daisy chainable (preferably physically stackable) and keep the laptop itself an iGPU only solution and cram it with the biggest battery they can fit for better battery life on the road. This way people have the best of both worlds. They provide a solution to a problem that they fixed within the parameters of this laptop in the first place.
Don’t forget the Flow line-up exists of more devices and not just the X16. And while you are right, the eGPU is better paired with a weaker internal GPU, if you want to play games on a higher res external Screen (a TV for example the eGPU setup might make sense 🤷♂️
I despise the frequent excuse of high noise under load (here 50 ~55dB) by saying that most other "gaming" notebooks were alike. A bad noise design must not serve as an excuse. The comparison ought to be what has been achieved at best: 39dB. This notebook fails at the compromise between speed and noise. By far most dGPU notebooks fail at it. Compromise at its worst! --robert jasiek
We had this argument before. In a perfect world, we would get relatively thin, portable notebooks with high-performing components at reasonable noise levels. But apparently, this is not possible with the technology we have at the moment. The noise levels you mentioned from our tests are from the 1-hour torture test, which is hardly representative of an everyday use case scenario. So, for the most part, the laptop is much quieter and a lot closer to your ideal noise levels.
@@NotebookcheckReviews For the thin & light, there is only the MacBook Pro, especially 16" M1 Pro, for which someone has measured the maximum of 45dB under full load. So currently, this seems to be the optimum for the ultra-thin notebooks. Then we have the some 2cm chassis class, for which Gigabyte Aero 16 3070 TI is a typical representative with 22.4mm and, as somebody has measured, 47.2dB. Too much for me, but, although that notebook is not really designed for low noise, it shows that Windows / Linux notebooks with up to 3070 TI at ca. 110W could reach about 45dB with better designed cooling. Another class is about 3cm thick and restricted in TDPs to ca. 45W CPU and 80W GPU; about 43dB can be achieved there. We can go down to 39dB by also increasing thickness to circa 35mm. So, sorry, you are wrong - current technology is available to achieve these lower noise levels despite acceptable chassis thicknesses! The primary problem is often not technology but is very insufficient cooling design for almost all notebooks, which therefore are in the 48 ~66db range. The secondary problem is design for too high TDP or too little choice in user settings to restrict them to 45W / 80W for those wishing low noise. The tertiary problem is too infrequent testing of such user settings whenever they are possible. For all thicknesses, too few notebook designs are done well as to achieving as low noise as possible. Only Apple does it consistently for its notebooks. (Again, not because only M1 would allow it. x64 also allows it. It is because other manufacturers by far do not care enough.) Windows notebook manufacturers go for speed and too much testers emphasise speed. Both neglect, downplay or deemphasise noise. Your downplaying is part of the problem. It is wrong that Apple has a perceived monopoly on compromises with low noise and long battery life as given and mandatory features. The Windows world is already decades late towards that direction and we must reveal that so that the situation does not continue for another two decades.
Well, since we have this discussion, it means that we have tested noise at almost all setting levels for each laptop. So you can't say that we are down playing anything. In my opinion, the Macbook Pro is a totally different story since it doesn't really have a dedicated GPU and therefore has just one heat source to cope with. Many Laptops allow you to run your machine in silent modes, which is usually doing precisely what you asked for: restricting the power available and achieving a lower noise level. This is what we mentioned in our review for the FLOW. And there are devices like the XMG Neo 15 that allow you to manually select that wattage you want your CPU to run at. And it's reasonably thin and compact: While I agree with you that performance isn't anything, it is what most people are after and at the same time almost no usecase is stressing both the CPU and GPU at the same time to 100%. So it makes much more sense for manufacturers to tune their systems for a broader range of use cases. Again I'm not saying that you are wrong. We definitly want and need quieter (gaming)-laptops, and Apple and also AMD seem to have noticed and are trying to make their Chips more efficient. Therefore the industry has understood this trend and demand. But it might be a slow process, and in the meantime, the options to restrict heat and noise output at the expense of performance is implemented in almost every device, and as I stated earlier, we usually test almost all power modes if we get the chance. But please also keep in mind that testing devices is a time-consuming process, so we might not always get the chance to test all use case scenarios.
Just one thing I don't buy: your claim that NBC tested most power modes. Usually, it tests three modes, such as Silent, Default, Extreme. Only recently, very few tested devices get noise / performance tests of several modes.
See, we are working on it ;) As I said these kind of tests are very time consuming and sometimes we just do not have the time to test all the different settings combinations. I want to include noise tests for more videos in the future, but this is also not without its (technical) difficulties. So yeah .... we are on it :) Thank you for your feedback, as always!
While screen wobble may look unappealing, wobble by itself does not indicate fragility. Quite often it's the opposite as built-in flex helps relieve pressure points that could otherwise lead to stress fractures. And where did you get the idea that mini-LED:s will burn out? I mean, eventually every computer component will burn out but mini-LED:s are not fragile OLED:s. Unless the screen is constantly cooking temperature hot, I don't see a reason for worry. This mini-LED screen should in any case last longer than any laptop OLED screen... As for GSync, well, the X16 does have some kind of adaptive sync. I saw a user specifically mentioning it had "Freesync Premium Pro" but I cannot confirm this. Ultimately, though, it depends on what you prioritize the most. Personally, I was dead set on getting the Lenovo Legion 7i but now I'm equally certain on getting the Asus ROG Flow X16 instead, because of the combination of a mini-LED screen (something which was promised for the 7i as well but either delayed or canceled) and convertible form factor, with touchscreen and stylus to boot. To me, those two features alone are worth sacrificing some overall performance as well as sacrificing a few non-essential bells and whistles such as Advanced Optimus and per-key RGB lighting.
I have this laptop with me for a month now, and while it's not perfect, it's definitely the most versatile laptop I've used. I've gone through 4 laptops over the last two years and I would end up having to sell them after only 6-8 months; But this one I'll probably keep for a minimum of 2-3 years.
That sounds awesome. But yeah, that is what I meant with the video title. Asus compromised in all the right ways with this one!
Is it worth it to get the AMD graphics over the 3070ti?
@@neroadam9851 no
Any chance you can comment on the pen? I'd like to know if the stylus and screen have enough levels of pressure sensitivity & accuracy to be a Wacom replacement for design use.
Hinge is not going to survive after 2 years)
Keep in mind it's a x360 laptop that support a stylus, so for graphic design/artists and even video editing it's a dream laptop
A powerful masterpiece
That is why I showed those exact use-cases in the video! :)
@@NotebookcheckReviews Any chance you can comment on the pen more specifically? I'd like to know if the stylus and screen have enough levels of pressure sensitivity & accuracy to be a Wacom replacement for design use!
@@mrowl8515 they have enough levels of sensitivity to do most of the work u need
However, wacom is more towards professionals especially if you're drawing slowly ( wacom lines will bot wiggle )
Expect a bit of wiggling on the laptop lines if you're drawing very slowly
I want to agree with you because it’s so close and that is exactly the sentiment I am excited to have towards it but I won’t feel that way until they upgrade MPP 2.0 to MPP 2.5. That is the only thing holding me back from this device. They had the opportunity to upgrade it for this newest gen that is releasing but they didn’t. maybe they don’t have rights to it yet..?? hopefully the following gen will have it 🙃
This is a great and extremely informative video! Your site's coverage on this laptop has been top-notch
Thanks a lot for your feedback Eric!
Great review! So a couple of improvements from someone who has tested the final retail unit:
- The CPU runs at up to 95 watts! In a 10-minute Cinebench loop I repeatedly got a sustained 93-94w throughout (15k score).
- HDR can be turned on when on battery to achieve peak brightness off the charger. Simply select “optimize for image quality” in Windows HDR settings and hit Win+Alt+B to activate HDR.
- Battery life is better in final retail models. Me as well as other owners have easily scored 7-8 hours of battery life when web browsing/RUclips playback.
Great review again! I know you already sent your review unit back, but just wanted to make others aware of these improvements to expect on the retail models.
Thank you so much for your input, it seems like some of our limitation came from our unit being a preproduction model then!
Thank you for sharing!
Thank you so much for sharing! Now I can rest easy knowing it gives 7-8 Hrs battery, which is more than what I need to be honest.
Really? All the early reviews say 6 or less hours of battery life. Glad to hear it’s closer to 7 or 8 of web browsing and videos.
Is it worth it to get the AMD graphics over the 3070ti?
@@neroadam9851 Which AMD graphics are u talking about?
That's the x16 review I was waiting for.
Great to hear!
Great review - Even though you said it was easy to upgrade, I would have liked to see the inside. Apart from that - superb - Thank You
I know, unfortunately we had to send our review unit back rather quickly since Asus needed it for Gamescom :/ Otherwise I would have opened it up. Have a look at our written review, Marvin actually opened it up!
I replaced the RAM on the unit I got. RAM and NVME very accessible. No weird screws under the feet. I think Asus also has an upgrade manual
Thank you for sharing!
It has 2 ssd slots and 2 ram slots, the ram isn’t soldered on so you can swap it. The wifi card is also replaceable if you so desire.
Very fair review. I just got mine a couple days ago and I am really impressed. Compromise is often seen as a negative word but in this case, it is very positive. Let's say this laptop is well balanced, whatever your use cases are.
Congrats man! That is what I was trying to communicate, there can not be a laptop that does it all perfectly, and as you already mentioned, it is about balance. And I agree Asus did a fantastic job with the Flow X16
How's the screen wobble?
@@popeye82 Frankly, it does not bother me at all. Sure, you will have to hold your screen or better to turn the screen all the way to 360° if you want to use a pencil but in daily use, it's absolutely not a problem. When you type or game, it does not move at all.
@@philippelambinet1425 thank you
What's ur impression now after 4 months
Very detailed review. Thank you.
You are very welcome! Make sure to subscribe, so you won’t miss our future reviews!
I think this review has essentially solidified the flow x16 as my next laptop. Im a college student whos basically been wanting a Mac that can run windows. Powerful when needed for content creation, but a long battery life wheb just doing productivity work in Chrome and such. I need a lot of good port options, color accurate display, and hopefully a 16:10 screen.
The video title seems perfect to my feelings about the x16: nothing in this machine is the top line. (Save for maybe the processor). The gpu is 2nd best, the screen is 2nd best, the battery life (as discussed from retail users and other reviewers) is decent but not the best of the best, the keyboard and trackpad are great but not XPS-level, and the ports (for me at least) are 1 or 2 modifications shy of perfect. Almost nothing about this machine is the absolute best, but its all in a package that compromises in a way Id consider ~almost~ perfect.
The biggest frustration for me is just the port situation. The micro sd card slot feels like a massive middle finger to content creators when this is clearly a content creation machine. You can adapt micro sd to sd but not vis-versa, come on Asus. Im also a bit nervous about battery life with my 50 Chrome tabs productivity habit, but the 100w usb-c charging support make me comfortable enough to make it work.
Great review of a great product. I think theres an x16 in my near future =]
Thank you for your comment, Josiah. And I am glad we have been able to transport what makes the Flow such a great package.
I agree with the SD card reader. If they couldn't fit the full-size reader, I think I would prefer an additional USB or something.
I bought it for kinda the same usecase as you. College laptop during the day, and playing some games back at home during the night. I bought the lower tier machine because only that was available in my country, so it has a ryzen 7 and a 3060 with 16gb of RAM.
Man I love this thing. Absolutly solid battery life, I almost never bring my charger with me to college, or if I need a quick charge 20 minutes is enough to keep it alive for another lecture. And yes there is the PD option too.
Gaming is what I tought is going to be the biggest compromise, but its handling games far better than my previous zephyrus with an 8th gen i7 and a 2070 did. Absolutely enough gaming performance for me, knowing that if I unplug it I can just toss it into my bag and I have an ultrabook, or a tablet if I want.
Touchpad is big, responsive and have a good feel to it, and the keyboard is very very good, at least for me, I love laptop keyboards. Im not a big mechanic keyboard kinda guy, altough I have one.
I would say if you havent already, give it a chance, it is the closest perfect all around laptop that you can buy right now.
@@szadam0673 I had the G15 but kept having display QC problems. This went on sale on Best Buy recently. There was no way I could pass up the offer. The display is just beautiful, and the aspect ratio is just perfect. The best part is this that this laptop has no QC issues as of now. I got the rtx 3060 model which unfortunately does not have the mini-led display.
@@jesusb9562 well that was a good trade then! You will love it. Yes the 3060 has the normal ips display, but thats better for battery life anyway.
@@szadam0673 Hii, I'm also looking to buy (ryzen 7, 16gb, 3060) for college, I am looking 2in1 because I want to take notes on it during lectures, and then I need performance for coding and machine learning.
How was your experience so far? I see online that a lot of people having issues with SSD did you face such issues?
Thank you very much for this video. Short in contrast to other videos, but contains everything important .
Glad it was helpful!
Love your works and your channel❤️
🙏🙏🙏 thank you!
Thanks for the review. I ordered mine today although I will certainly miss the numeric keypad. Too bad they could not fit that in any more.
You are more than welcome! Have fun with your new laptop. I fell you. It always takes me a couple of days to get used to laptops without num pads. But it is doable, and you get that fantastic MiniLED Display in exchange.
Please continue making more video reviews. You're handsome though. :D
:D thanks bud! Many more videos coming!
Hey there Guys. Have you all looked at the IPS version. Best Buy had it on sale for $1099.99 ($900 off!!!). It has the 3060 vs 3070 TI which I realize is a big difference, but my main use case is 75% work and 25% valorant so the 3060 is more than enough. I've got a pen on order and I'm waiting to see how it all comes together. I already have an XG Mobile 3080 so if I need more GPU when at my desk, I can just use as a dock and call it a day. I've not seen ANYONE review the IPS 3060 model and was hoping that you all had some insight.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Rick
We just reviewed the 2023 with the regular IPS, and its been really good. I assume the same holds true for the 2022 version. I'm also pretty sure it is the same screen, with a different backlight.
@@NotebookcheckReviews - thanks for the reply. I’m still shocked to have gotten the 2022 for such a discount. I know it’s “Last Gen,” but it’s still an awesome product. Now I need to sell all my old gear I bought getting to this point!
Cheers
Rick
Bring the EGPU to the g14! would be the perfect combo
Interesting, I havent thought about that.
Thanks for this review! Is there any chance that when reviewing other pen-compatible devices you can make a few jitter/line tests and if possible recommend a pen for it? Some of us are looking for a device that can be a laptop and a wacom screen at the same time. Cheers!
You are more than welcome. I can look into the line tests, but I am not sure if my hand is stable enough for that ;)
But yeah, I will try to remember to specifiy which Pen I use. This time it was the Asus Pen itself :)
0:29 what's the name of this tablet stand, I'll definately need it.
It this one (affil Link) but be aware that it is a bit flimsy for such a big laptop/tablet and you have to be careful not to scratch your device!
www.amazon.com/Ventilated-Universal-Lightweight-Adjustable-Ergonomic/dp/B07SBM5TZH?tag=notebookcheck-youtube-20
Ok, thank you.
Awesome video and review! looking to use this a lot in tablet mode. Was curious what mount were you using in 11:31 to prop up in tablet mode?
Thank you so much Christian. It is a very old and very cheap no-name tablet stand from amazon ....
The HDR on battery is a windows setting and already exists. Under battery options in the display settings
We know, it is disabled for this one unfortunately!
@@NotebookcheckReviews I can't believe it, that would be my main buy or not reason, even knowing it would drain battery fast, I want to have it as an option!
Are you really really sure? :( Because some one else had that setting turned off and they claim hdr is working on battery that way... or do you mean the peak brightness/multizone mini led is what's limited then?
It seems like it was just a limitation of our pre-production device. As you said, some other people say it is possible to turn HDR on, on battery. But I can not confirm it for you. I hope I will be able to get a production unit in the studio soon.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Thanks!
I would love to see the performace of the pen, i'm considering to buy this for sculpting, ilustration and animation.
What are you interested in? I used it for some of my retouching work, and it was fine. So it should give you no problem with sculpting and animation. I can not comment on illustration tho.
may i know how the palm rejection, when you are writing with the pen?
Same here, I'd like to know if it has similar levels of pressure sensitivity. Smoothing can be sorted digitally in Adobe settings, but pressure can't be emulated. I have read on reddit that people are successfully using MS surface pens and they're better than the included Asus stylus since the MS software is native to the OS. Definitely worth looking into!
Hi Alen, thank you so much for the details. Helped a lot.👍
I am glad! Thanks for watching!
Looks incredible
It is a lot of fun!
My biggest issue with this laptop is that the lower end SKU with the RTX 3060 and RTX 3050 does not come with the same display; or at least they stopped the lower cheaper models from having the good display panel.
That sucks, but I think the MiniLED screen is crazy expensive and I could imagine actually getting them, might be a problem.
I agree with a point raised by some other reviews and comments regarding the microSD card.
Since it sits flush with the laptop when inserted, the micro SD card can be treated as an easy (and relatively cheap) storage expansion.
While this is true, it is not the fastest solution. I think you would be better off adding a second NVME drive. Even the cheapest one will perform much better than a micro sd card.
A ton of time testing this thing is just about right ^^ Too bad I feature such a bad pic of me on the NBC website lol. Nice additional infos btw! ! Don't say I lost that rubber cover for the XG port :o
Your hard work is more than appreciated! Nope, the rubber cover made it safely back to me ;)
0:27 : It just reminds me when visiting Photo Studio. You Know, He use PC with kinda Old Specs for now, as Photo Editing Machine. But yeah, he use Pad with Stylus and Connected via USB which is not as Interactive as real Touch Screen. This seems suit for Him and make edit photos on PhotoShop just a Breeze
It is great for Photoshop, I really enjoyed it!
Where could I buy this laptop in Europe (Euro)? I can't seem to find it anywhere but I might be looking in the wrong places...
Alternate.de has it in stock, but it is a german retailer:
www.alternate.de/ASUS/ROG-Flow-X16-(2022)-(GV601RW-M5082W)-Gaming-Notebook/html/product/1846168
The reason as to why they did not put a full size SD card reader in it might have to do with the fact that the XG mobile has one.
Might be, but I would assume most people buying the X16 will probably not get the XG mobile too. I think its just a space concern …?!
Thanks for this great review, two questions; 1 how does this screen compare for consumption to a oled (the 120hz of the ProArt studio 16) 2; do you think the flex in the hinge wil be a problem for long time use?
You are more than welcome, Raymond. Being a bit of an OLED enthusiast myself, it is very similar. The OLED will give you better and deeper blacks, but the MiniLED gets significantly brighter.
Of course, I can't say anything about the long-term use of the laptop since I only had it for about a week, but let's hope ROG did a great job with their hinge quality.
I'd be concerned about OLED:s with long-term use... Not just potential burn-in but also uneven color degradation with time... Mini-LED gives me peace of mind, excellent brightness, and good enough blacks...
I'm pretty sure the ProArt Studio is 60Hz OLED, right?
11:54 I like the laptop/tablet stand you use. Where did you purchase that? Also, when it's flipped in tablet mode, isn't the fans from bottom of chassis obstructed?
It is a cheap and generic one from Amazon, it is pretty old, so I couldn't find it anymore. There is enough of a gab between the bottom panel and the display lid to still allow for adequate cooling.
This with 3070TI or the MSI Creator Z16P with 3070TI, so hard to choose! (Studying Architecture) - Great videos for both those computers though the hard choice 😅
I can not really talk about your use case but I would say the Flow is the better machine overall unless you really need that extra CPU performance from the Intel Chip.
The Flow has better IO, better surface temps, and the ability to work on the screen directly in tablet mode. GPU performance should be higher too.
That said, the Creator looks a bit cleaner and offers Thunderbolt connectivity .... it really is a tough choice between these two :O
Z16P seems to heat up very easily and the GPU is limited to 90w, which might be even slower than a full power rtx3060
For that I would choose the Flow x16 with 3060... just for more comfortable temperature and noise level
@@SuiTsuan_Ong I’ve bought the Z16P, and agree that it does heat up quite easily. I am though happy for the full-size SD-card reader and the screen is gorgeous (even though it’s not the same as that mini-led beauty). It’s a little more sleek in the design, but I’d definitely not have minded the X16’s design.
I’m extremely happy for the intel processor because of my cpu-demanding workflow. It was hard as heck to choose and whatever you get is *chef kiss*
@@oliverkristensen8619 Glad you are happy with your final decision! I agree on the design part. I also wish flow x16 could have more "creator" or modern vibe in it, that would be perfect.
TBH I am now also struggling between these 2 exact models for 3D modeling and motion design. But now the convertible form factor and temperature make me lean toward x16. Imagine if I can grab it around and draw... just not sure if it has good enough pen support lol
@@SuiTsuan_Ong I’d dare to say that if the X16 had a full-size SD-Card reader, I’d bought that one instead. Kinda the thing which bummed me the most.
The Z16P might be a better all-around “traditional” laptop, since you also have a nice 1080p webcam installed.
But if you don’t use SD-Cards, wouldn’t mind AMD or the 720p webcam, X16 might suit you better.
But then again again, I truly understand NotebookCheck, I cannot decide for anyone else, as I don’t know you or anyone else preferences. It’s a hard choice, and I hope you figure it out! Either way they’re both fantastic.
thanks for review video. Is this laptop suitable for actual lap gaming though?
Hm, it can get quite hot at the bottom panel, we wouldn’t recommend gaming with this guy on your lap in performance mode. Silent mode, might be an option …
Would this be a good laptop for gaming without the xg mobile?
Yes absolutely, the RTX 3070 Ti in this actually runs at a decent wattage considering the slim chassis! If you head over to our written review (link in the describtion) you can find quite a few gaming benchmarks!
where do i buy this exact same model in US? i cannot find it anywhere... the link in your video description is for a DUO ..not FLOW X16
From what I heard these puppies might be hard to come by in the US at the moment. Unfortunately we do not get any information on where to buy them.
"... If it is any good?"
Judging by how you are smiling from ear to ear, i'd say it is very good and you liked it a lot.
Oops,. guilty :D
Thanks for the great review!
Can't wait to get this device in my hands. I ordered at Amazon Germany in July. Still waiting. Do you have any information about supply problems of the device?
You are more than welcome! Unfortunately we do not have this kind of information. I am sorry!
if you lower the brightness a little bit - the screen is covered with dark floating spots and work (especially in gray-interface programs) is absolutely impossible
While I did not encounter your particular problem, have you tried changing the backlight option in the Armory Crate software? You can change the MiniLeds to behave like a single traditional back lighting zone, which I would recommend using for work.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Thank you very much! So much better!
💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
I would love to see a comparison of the RTX 3070 and 3080 XG Mobile.
Thank you for your feedback. I will see if I can get a FLOW X16 back into the studio. Right now I am testing the Z13 with the XG mobile.
I hope next year they will launch the Z16
Exactly my thoughts while currently testing the Z13 :D I will put in a word for it with the good folks from @asus :D
That would be great, I need a big Tablet with a Intel processor and 3060/3070 and min. 32 GB Ram.
They brought out the X16, so I hope they will launch the Z16 early of 2023.
Thinking about buying one of these:
R7, RTX 3060 for 1600€
R9, RTX 3070Ti for 2000€
Is the 400€ difference worth it to buy the better one?
Yes
Thanks @@MysticAstru I bought the better one and am very happy with it
@@MegaJoeHannes im very glad to hear that. Enjoy
@@MegaJoeHannes so how is it? Am most interested in the screen
@@nBasterd in my opinion the screen is pretty amazing. obviously it's not on the same level as an OLED screen but it's as close as it can get.
Thanks for the review. Could you tell me what is name of the stand that you use for drawings. Thanks in advance
Hey, bud, I think it was this one. It is cheap and flimsy, and you got to be careful not to scratch your machine, but it works ok. (affill link)
www.amazon.com/Ventilated-Universal-Lightweight-Adjustable-Ergonomic/dp/B07SBM5TZH?tag=notebookcheck-youtube-20
That usbc, is not usb4 right?
Means only egpu we can use is only laptop x-mobile
Yes, that’s right!
I have one question, what is the best position for gaming, tent mode or standard?
Good question, I havent tested it in detail when I had it. But I could imagine temps will be marginally better in tent mode. But I do not think by much!
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Thanks for the review! Do you plan on doing one for Asus Zephyrus M16 (2022)?
I will put it on the list! :)
So far I'm only seeing these available in US as imports from SK. Would Korean setup/keyboard be much of an issue to a US English kb user? If so, any idea when they'll finally ship to US retailers?
Mh, I can’t see myself getting used to that quickly. I’m sure they will roll it out internationally quite soon.
@@NotebookcheckReviews Thanks. Just gotta be patient I guess.
👍🏼 good things will happen to those who wait!
Which laptop would you recommend for a student of communication design who wants a long term investment and wont be buying a new laptop anytime soon again?
Hi There! I see that you have a Caldigit dock station in the video, as far as I know this is a Thunderbolt dock station, did you test it with the Flow X16? does it work fine with external monitors of high refresh rate?
Thanks in advance!!
Hi there. Unfortunately, I did not test it. But for it to work, the Flow X16 would have to support USB 4, which I am not sure it does right now.
And I would not use it for high refresh rate monitors since thunderbolt always gets piped through the internal GPU ....
@@NotebookcheckReviews Thanks for the reply and info! Keep the great work!
More videos please
We are already working on it as we speak ;) Our plan for now is to upload 1-2 Video per week! So check back regularly!
why is the screen getting hot in tablet mode? weird
It is not just tablet mode. The screen is getting "hotter" in general. We assume because of the power consumption of the MiniLEDs. You usually wouldn't notice this, but since you interact with the screen much more, this being a convertible, I wanted to mention it.
Need help. Is the digitizer on it bad? Does it have the grid like structure where you can see small boxes that the entry level 2 in 1s have because that looks very ugly.
Also, my usage is very limited. I am buying it just for the screen..i want it to be best..i will be watching movies, browsing and note taking..do let me know if it is made for me..will really appreciate your reply.
So great :)
Thank you!
I'm thinking of getting this laptop for animating and illustrating. Did you find the screen getting hot on the palm/hand after using the style on the screen for a long period of time?
I edited about 2 hours on it in photoshop, and while the screen got warmer than I would have liked, it was never really uncomfortable.
I loved the review by Alex.
Now that I am at this point, I am a bit confused. Which laptop should I consider? The Lenovo Legion 5i Pro (2022) or the ASUS ROG Flow X16 (2022)?I have been a fan of Lenovo for quite awhile, and the 5i PRO is just a better option, but when ASUS came out with the X16 for gamers and creators, it was really the better approach for all types of consumers.
I love to sketch and make renders. The Legion 5i Pro doesn't support touch or a stylus, but the X16 does.
There are not so many gaming 2-in-1s with a 3060 or 3070Ti, so the X16 is more appealing.
I have decided 90% that I am going to buy a Lenovo 5i Pro; the other 10% I am not sure about (touch screen and stylus).
So that I can't decide which to go for now: ASUS or Lenovo, can you share your thoughts about it or which should I consider? Thank you.
If I were you, I would buy the Asus multi-use. It is amazing and has a powerful graphics card. It is definitely worth buying
While the Legions are really good and will probably not leave you disappointed, I personally would go with the Flow. Since I am a retoucher it is very usefull for me to use the stylus every now and then, and the MiniLED display is one of the best displays you can currently get.
Are the speakers much better than on Lenovo Legion 2022 and 2023?
What stylus would you recommend for the Flow X16?^^
I only tried the Asus Pen, that came with our review model.
but girls mostly buy macbook though
I've heard people are having a better experience with the MS surface pen
Curios if a 32GB Optane SSD paired in Primocache with the PCIe 4.0 Nand flash SSD, will make any difference in system responsiveness. Level1Techs tested this, but that was on PCIe 3.0 I think
Are you bothered with system responsiveness? Your suggestions sounds like an interesting idea but still like a rather "niche" solution?!
It would be interesting to see flow x16 vs flow x13 both with the 3080 xg mobile.
I will have a video coming up with the Z13 and the XG mobile! :)
@@NotebookcheckReviews reason why x16 xg mobile vs x13 xg mobile would be interesting is they run the same CPU, but I think x16 runs at at higher wattage, but not sure how that impacts gaming performance.
Also interesting to see x16 with xg mobile to test difference between 3070ti. Most people have just assumed it's not alot more, but given GPU heat would be shifted away from the chassis, so might be surprising.
6:52 11ms response time or 3 ms response time ? All the specs sheet says the otherwise
Check the display section in our written review:
www.notebookcheck.net/Asus-ROG-Flow-X16-laptop-review-2-in-1-gamer-with-mini-LED.638734.0.html#toc-4
We measured 11 ms with our test equipment!
How much stronger is the external 3080 compared to the 3070ti internal?
This device launch actually made me a little regret bought zephyrus g14 2022, could have wait little longer :D
Ah well, this will always happen one way or another, and the G14 is still very awesome!
Fan you reccomend an udb c docking station with 140W charging?
Unfortunately, I only have minimal experience with third-party chargers!
I just got this now :)
👌 congrats!
Where can I buy the stand you were using to rest the laptop on for drawing?
It was a super cheap tablet stand from amazon. I would not recommend it since it is very flimsy :O
Could you provide us the details of the support that appears holding the laptop throughout the video in tablet mode?
It is a super simple tablet stand from amazon. But since it is a couple of years old, I wasn't able to find it anymore. Sorry ...
@@NotebookcheckReviews Thank you!
Should I rather buy this one or new one? In sale the 2022 one is 500€-600€ cheaper.
Depends on how much you value a faster GPU. We will have a review coming up for the new version very soon.
@@NotebookcheckReviews ETA? debating ordering the new one
Is it worth it to get the AMD graphics over the 3070ti?
Which AMD card are you referring to? They FLOW is only available with Nvidia GPU's!
Can it run off of a dock or a monitor with USB-C power delivery without the charger for basic non-gaming tasks?
Absolutely!
Is the pen included?
Unfortunately it is not.
Please put a full review for Lenovo legion 7i.
This is the best performance laptop.
Should be coming soon :)
"no internals, no like" oh wait... i use this joke on the last video! 😛 i always have the option to look on the written review.
So we got your like in the end? 😏
@@NotebookcheckReviews yeah!!!
imagine a m1 ultra in this or even a really strong amd apu. with out the power hungry nvidia graphics for increase battery life
I see your point, but I rather take the NVIDIA GPU ;)
@@NotebookcheckReviews o i would do. i love my rtx 350ti in my asus z13
Im testing that one right and love it! Are you still happy with yours?
@@NotebookcheckReviews for the most part, yes! but the battery life is not great and the screen isn't the bright or vibrant. but the only other laptop ive owned was the macbook pro 14 to compare it too
Hi, Would this laptop work good with Premier Pro 4k editing?
It should, but I am not 100% certain if Premiere prefers the CPU or the GPU, we use Resolve for our videos and it worked great on the X16
Good review, but the background music is just terrible.
What is wrong with some old school vibes? ;)
@@NotebookcheckReviews It's retro muzak for people with ADHD? Don't mind me, I'm just cranky today. Might be low blood sugar.
That is alright man, don’t you worry! Enjoy your Sunday nonetheless! 💪🏻
@@NotebookcheckReviews Facts-orientated contents should be without background music to easier concentrate on the contents. Music with beats hurts me; classical music would at least not hurt but no music is the best. Music is an excuse for not providing noise samples.
While we want to provide facts, we also keep you guys entertained, and videos with background music are just easier to watch.
We will have noise samples in the future and I am sure we can make it work with the background music ;)
i cant find an any pen information n best pens to use on it got it for Indy game dev an playing games so all i found out it supports mmp 2.0 on pen, but have no info on what draw pen to get for it can someone help me out looking for pens that work good with this when using z-brush for example
I tested it with the Asus Pen. But every mmp 2.0 enabled pen should work.
This laptop is so frustrating because there truly is nothing like it. I currently have a Legion 7i with 3070ti and I'm struggling to decide if the Flow x16 would be worth nearly $900 more, the display and larger trackpad blow my mind as someone who hasn't enjoyed drawing on Legion devices
The Flow is excellent if you really can make use of the 2-in-1 form factor, and the MiniLED display is simply awesome.
I bought this laptop with R7 RTX 3060 and it is good initially
Update?
Your amazon link leads to Asus duo not flow x16 !!!!!!!! 🤷🏻♂️
That is way it says "Shop for ROG-Laptops on Amazon" ;)
At the time of publishing this video, the Flow X16 wasn't available on amazon.com.
Great CPU from AMD, excellent Screen 😀👍
Regards from Europe from my channel 😀👍
That screen is insane. Hard to go back to a "normal" IPS screen ...
I'd like to see a Flow X14 with AMD CPU and GPU.
I am personally OK with an NVIDIA card, but you are right. Imagine a 16:10 14" 120Hz OLED with something like a 6900 HS and RTX 3060 or optional AMD equivalent :O
@@NotebookcheckReviews I think what I really want is a thinner and lighter G14 with maybe a less powerful GPU and the Asus EGPU port.
What to buy this one or Lenovo legion 5 pro gen 7 rtx 3070ti
Tough choice. If you are after the best possible performance, then the Legion 5 Pro would be your choice. But it is also a lot bigger (thicker and heavier). The Asus has the better display and is a bit sleeker, and of course, you have the added flexibility, it being a convertible. None of them will be a bad choice, but you have to consider what suits your needs best.
@@NotebookcheckReviews thanks, your reviews are always good standard
@@NotebookcheckReviews what is probable performance difference in gaming
You can follow the link in the describtion that will take you the our website. In the GPU section you can easily add the Lenovo to the comparison field and then you get all the benchmark number side by side! Let me know if you need help with that!
I would have 100% bought it if it had an HDMI 2.1 port.
TV Gamer? ;)
@@NotebookcheckReviews yessir
I feel you, I get a ton of HDMI 2.1 laptops in the studio but only own a 60Hz OLED 😞🫣
Couldn't you just use a usb-c to hdmi adapter?
@@scottprice8941 can that do 4k 120hz?
What’s this like for video editing
I tested it with Davinci Resolve and it was a very smooth experience with our BlackMagic RAW Footage.
Damn, this is a really excellent laptop, unfortunately the price is as expected
Unfortunately!
If it wasn’t too expensive id buy it
It is definitely not a budget device.
Where i can buy ?
Just check your local electronic retailer, the Asus Website, or Amazon for example!
Usb4 and full size SD card instead of so many USBA ports would make this awesome. Keyboard also feels better than g14/g15 to me.
Windows boot time is also too slow by default but you can turn off onedrive and edge startup to speed it up.
The IPS screen isn't bad but would have loved to see the microled on lower models.
The micro-sd card is indeed a bummer. I would have preferred another USB-C instead as well.
The MiniLED is one of the highlights for this one!
I haven't met a laptop where the full size sd doesn't stick out... there are some people who watch the transfers, but micro is good enough for me since the unit has 2 slots and a micro.
Thank you for this video. And yes, comparison 3070ti vs eGPU (AMD version?) would be awesome.
You are welcome. I have the XG-Mobile with the 3080 in the Studio right now. I just have to wait and see if ASUS will send another Flow X16, so we get a chance to test ist.
@@NotebookcheckReviews oh, thank you for your fast response! In my area there are only two versions of this laptop available.(R9) 3070ti and (R9) 3070ti with eGPU RX6850M XT (25% more expensive). Do you think that that version with eGPU is even worth considering?
Mh I’m not sure to be honest. Check out our review for the new legion 7 on the website, it’s running a 6850xt, and compare benchmark scores. It’s of course not apples to apples but will give an idea what this gpu can do.
Im testing a Z13 with the external 3080 right now and get about internal 3080ti performance out of it on an external screen (just with some rough glances and framerates, no proper testing) …
The external GPU is definitely the coolest part about this laptop to me, but the built-in 3070Ti kind of defeats the purpose of an external 3080. I wish they would've given the top spec a 3050 and made the whole thing thinner/lighter with better battery life.
It is available with a 3060, so that would be a combination that could make sense!
Sure, the x16 gets hotter than a lightsaber on an Australian summers day. But compared to editing on the fold 4. 😅
I always thought lightsabers have the same temperature no matter where you are!
@@NotebookcheckReviews not if you're in Australia, mate. ;) we are a special breed.
I will buy the new Intel version.
I also can not wait to get my hands on it! :)
Ecapt the using amd isntead of 12900h he too reflective pen and touch layer, the lac of print screen buttom, better speakers mics and webcam, and pen latency, and an offer for bigger 240 kinda like tdp laptop like rtx 4080 16gb option, and that connection shouldof been 90 degreed and longer. like this its bad. also 2.5gb ethernet, more usb-c, and lenovo legion like power port, and 135w wantt us-c power charging, with software and hardware utilizing all the 135w watts aailable, not like legion only using 99..
And I guess it should remain as slim as it is and cost no more than 2k? ;)
@@NotebookcheckReviews M16 not much thicker, and price doesnt matter if not more than legion :) but i would really like a legion spec like option too if you ask, i could be also 17 inches with the display size of new ps 17s. and also a 14.0 inch, same display spec verison with 12700-12900h and rt 3060 60-70w option, same thickness slim basels all around in a 2 in form factor with 0.2 sec pen latency. but if possibly i would use the iphone 14 pro 2000 nit qhd inda like 120hz oled panel on all devices, a 240 hz if possibly, and 3k ress or maybe 280hz is possibly like in new eve scpectrum, so... lets go. :)
I've returned it because of the coil whine :(
Really? Our unit did not have any problems! Sorry mate!
@NotebookcheckReviews yeah my gf also heard it. It was a bummer as I waited to buy this laptop for some time and now not sure what to do so I don't end up with yet another coil whine :)
Im pretty sure there is no difference between 3070 ti and 3080. The only use of 3080 is to keep the laptop less hot. Do an experiment yourself and show us.
Probably when using the internal display. But when you use it with an external display I could imagine the difference being more significant. But yeah I want to do a test with an external 4k monitor ...
Dislike the hinge.
Ok
Be professional and put the timelines in Description. So we can jump to any time we need.
While I appreciate the input, it sounds a little like you are demanding something ...
What is Asus thinking? If they're serious about the egpu solution, there's no need to sell the laptop with a dGPU. If they think people need more than one GPU for machine learning etc. they should make the dGPU daisy chainable (preferably physically stackable) and keep the laptop itself an iGPU only solution and cram it with the biggest battery they can fit for better battery life on the road. This way people have the best of both worlds. They provide a solution to a problem that they fixed within the parameters of this laptop in the first place.
Don’t forget the Flow line-up exists of more devices and not just the X16. And while you are right, the eGPU is better paired with a weaker internal GPU, if you want to play games on a higher res external Screen (a TV for example the eGPU setup might make sense 🤷♂️
I despise the frequent excuse of high noise under load (here 50 ~55dB) by saying that most other "gaming" notebooks were alike. A bad noise design must not serve as an excuse. The comparison ought to be what has been achieved at best: 39dB. This notebook fails at the compromise between speed and noise. By far most dGPU notebooks fail at it. Compromise at its worst! --robert jasiek
We had this argument before. In a perfect world, we would get relatively thin, portable notebooks with high-performing components at reasonable noise levels. But apparently, this is not possible with the technology we have at the moment. The noise levels you mentioned from our tests are from the 1-hour torture test, which is hardly representative of an everyday use case scenario. So, for the most part, the laptop is much quieter and a lot closer to your ideal noise levels.
@@NotebookcheckReviews For the thin & light, there is only the MacBook Pro, especially 16" M1 Pro, for which someone has measured the maximum of 45dB under full load. So currently, this seems to be the optimum for the ultra-thin notebooks. Then we have the some 2cm chassis class, for which Gigabyte Aero 16 3070 TI is a typical representative with 22.4mm and, as somebody has measured, 47.2dB. Too much for me, but, although that notebook is not really designed for low noise, it shows that Windows / Linux notebooks with up to 3070 TI at ca. 110W could reach about 45dB with better designed cooling. Another class is about 3cm thick and restricted in TDPs to ca. 45W CPU and 80W GPU; about 43dB can be achieved there. We can go down to 39dB by also increasing thickness to circa 35mm.
So, sorry, you are wrong - current technology is available to achieve these lower noise levels despite acceptable chassis thicknesses! The primary problem is often not technology but is very insufficient cooling design for almost all notebooks, which therefore are in the 48 ~66db range. The secondary problem is design for too high TDP or too little choice in user settings to restrict them to 45W / 80W for those wishing low noise. The tertiary problem is too infrequent testing of such user settings whenever they are possible.
For all thicknesses, too few notebook designs are done well as to achieving as low noise as possible. Only Apple does it consistently for its notebooks. (Again, not because only M1 would allow it. x64 also allows it. It is because other manufacturers by far do not care enough.)
Windows notebook manufacturers go for speed and too much testers emphasise speed. Both neglect, downplay or deemphasise noise. Your downplaying is part of the problem. It is wrong that Apple has a perceived monopoly on compromises with low noise and long battery life as given and mandatory features. The Windows world is already decades late towards that direction and we must reveal that so that the situation does not continue for another two decades.
Well, since we have this discussion, it means that we have tested noise at almost all setting levels for each laptop. So you can't say that we are down playing anything.
In my opinion, the Macbook Pro is a totally different story since it doesn't really have a dedicated GPU and therefore has just one heat source to cope with.
Many Laptops allow you to run your machine in silent modes, which is usually doing precisely what you asked for: restricting the power available and achieving a lower noise level. This is what we mentioned in our review for the FLOW.
And there are devices like the XMG Neo 15 that allow you to manually select that wattage you want your CPU to run at.
And it's reasonably thin and compact:
While I agree with you that performance isn't anything, it is what most people are after and at the same time almost no usecase is stressing both the CPU and GPU at the same time to 100%. So it makes much more sense for manufacturers to tune their systems for a broader range of use cases.
Again I'm not saying that you are wrong. We definitly want and need quieter (gaming)-laptops, and Apple and also AMD seem to have noticed and are trying to make their Chips more efficient. Therefore the industry has understood this trend and demand.
But it might be a slow process, and in the meantime, the options to restrict heat and noise output at the expense of performance is implemented in almost every device, and as I stated earlier, we usually test almost all power modes if we get the chance.
But please also keep in mind that testing devices is a time-consuming process, so we might not always get the chance to test all use case scenarios.
Just one thing I don't buy: your claim that NBC tested most power modes. Usually, it tests three modes, such as Silent, Default, Extreme. Only recently, very few tested devices get noise / performance tests of several modes.
See, we are working on it ;)
As I said these kind of tests are very time consuming and sometimes we just do not have the time to test all the different settings combinations. I want to include noise tests for more videos in the future, but this is also not without its (technical) difficulties.
So yeah .... we are on it :)
Thank you for your feedback, as always!
screen wobbles...mini led can still burn out after some time...no gsync...
So? What are you trying to say? Not a machine you would buy?
@@NotebookcheckReviews yeah mate I decided to buy Lenovo Legion 7i with RTX 3080 ti i9 12900hx :)
Solid choice! I’m testing that one right now! 💪🏻
While screen wobble may look unappealing, wobble by itself does not indicate fragility. Quite often it's the opposite as built-in flex helps relieve pressure points that could otherwise lead to stress fractures.
And where did you get the idea that mini-LED:s will burn out? I mean, eventually every computer component will burn out but mini-LED:s are not fragile OLED:s. Unless the screen is constantly cooking temperature hot, I don't see a reason for worry. This mini-LED screen should in any case last longer than any laptop OLED screen...
As for GSync, well, the X16 does have some kind of adaptive sync. I saw a user specifically mentioning it had "Freesync Premium Pro" but I cannot confirm this.
Ultimately, though, it depends on what you prioritize the most. Personally, I was dead set on getting the Lenovo Legion 7i but now I'm equally certain on getting the Asus ROG Flow X16 instead, because of the combination of a mini-LED screen (something which was promised for the 7i as well but either delayed or canceled) and convertible form factor, with touchscreen and stylus to boot. To me, those two features alone are worth sacrificing some overall performance as well as sacrificing a few non-essential bells and whistles such as Advanced Optimus and per-key RGB lighting.
Can't wait for Intel version I want me i9 12th gen 4080
That for sure sounds like a potent combo, but I think they will stick with a next-gen ryzen for this one.