Land ANY Jet with 4 Fundamentals from a REAL Fast Jet Instructor (MSFS)
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- Опубликовано: 27 июн 2024
- Improve or gain insight into landing a jet - demo'd in Hawk T1 & F18
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Whether you're interested in how real fast jet pilots can position and land their aircraft so precisely each time, or you want to improve your own technique, this video provides thorough demonstrations. Featuring the default MSFS F18 and the Just Flight Hawk T1.
PS: The Hawk is usually flown onto the runway and not fully flared off. I decided to use it to teach a method much different to the F/A-18.
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📚 CHAPTERS
00:00 Intro
01:17 Start of demonstration in the Hawk T1
04:28 Calculating top of descent range
05:55 Calculating rates of descent
07:24 Monitoring the Hawk T1 approach
09:31 Landing the Hawk T1
10:23 Start of demo & navigating in the F/A-18 Hornet
14:26 F/A-18 HUD Symbology
18:20 Landing the F/A-18 Hornet
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I am an actual mechanic in the air wing for the marine corps. I watched the F-35B video and also this one so far. I can 100% confirm that this is almost closest to the realistic flying that these pilots do (you can only do so much in a video game). Aviation is a big hobby for me and I am glad I got a job in it that will prep me for civilian jobs in the aviation world. I do plan on going the officer route to be a pilot myself. Love your videos man! Keep up the good work! 🇺🇸
Thanks so much for taking the time to comment! Good luck with the commission if that’s what you go for! Anything job around aircraft is a good one 👍🏻
Good to see someone who does it in real life giving some good advice. Somethings I've already known, but it is always good to review.
Thanks 👍🏻
Another super clear video, well put together. Your experince and ease shines through. Thanks Chris!
Much appreciated, thank you
Excellent video, everything well explained. Thank you for your videos, as a former fast jet pilot I love to watch them very much! And the fundamentals never change…😊
Very kind, thank you! Especially with your experience as well.
It's really impressive how MSFS has depicted the scenery around Anglesey. It's pretty photorealistic!
It’s awesome isn’t it!? Great when there’s a slight drizzle rolling through with occasional sun. Brings back many memories!
@@cgaviator yeah, but I prefer to fly VFR ;)
Brilliant demonstration, will really help when landing the Hawk and also my favourite jet at the moment, the F-22 Raptor. This video has shown me that most of my landings so far have been more by luck than judgement and tend to always come in too fast. Will use these tips from now on. Thanks Chris!
Excellent, glad to help. And great aircraft the F22. Slightly different alpha indications I believe but the technique will still work
I've only done the Maverick challenge landings to date, but this video enabled me to get some practice in with the FA-18, now I really cant wait for the Leonardo to release to get some real FJ Sim training going. Amazing job as always Chris, thank you.
Thanks so much for the comment
DUD, I am IN LOVE WITH YOUR CHANNEL!! you're the shit, really glad I found ya really high quality videos you're putting out thanks man
Wow, thanks so much! My pleasure. 👍🏻
Very helpful, thank you so much!
you're welcome, sorry for the late reply, I've been away
Fantastic vid, one of the best and most useful I've seen. Thank you. 👍🏿
Very welcome, thanks for saying!
@@cgaviator check out my Akrotiri F16 circuit, see what you think. I struggle to get aligned after a turn and break. My Track IR settings need sorting i think. Any other tricks???
@@thelmaviaduct commented on it, nicely done overall!
Good man. Very interesting as always. 👍👍👍
Thanks, appreciate it 👍🏻
Brill, as ever. Thanks.
My pleasure! 👍🏻
Welcome back!
Glad to be here, thanks
Thanks for explaining the F18 hud Chris. I had been having a hard time actually understanding what I was looking at before this. Low and behold, it's pretty simple. 👍👍
Classic ‘easy when you know how!’ 😅
@@cgaviator totally. Just need the Tornado now. 😎
@@cavok1984 work in progress! I see there’s an IDS version coming to DCS eventually
I saw that too. Looks really good.
Man, the quality of recording you have produced is amazeballs! So smooth and zippy. Nicely done! Are you using VR or head tracking? I'll have to see if I can find your hardware setup somewhere in your videos. Looks fantastic.
Thanks! Check the description and/or my website. RTX3070 working wonders with my TrackIR.
Fundamentals 1,2,3 and 4 are good techniques for landing all aircraft not just fast jets! Great video
True enough! Thanks
Superb, the Hawk will look complicated but such tutorials are essential for getting folks into this hobby before they ragequit in frustration. Mastering 'flying the donut' (yellow angle-of-attack indicator) is, of course, essential for those wishing to try their hand at aircraft carrier landings, as more than degree or so off in angle-of-attack and the hook won't catch the arrestor wires (and even more important in DCS with battle damage or heavy stores). I really enjoyed the in-flight landing calculations for the Hawk, which would get you to the right place even if cloud obscured the runway. 'American airframes', hhhm, does that mean we get to watch more of your F-35 missions ? if only we had the F-35's NATOPS, sigh. Your channel climbing through 10k subs, very well deserved !
Thanks! And I forgot to mention to doughnut! 🤦🏼♂️ Still, should help the new simmers. I’ve been around the houses a few times that’s for sure but I like to keep it cryptic. Thanks for the comment 👍🏻
I usually shy away from aircraft with HUDs because I don't know how they work! Thus, even though I know how to land, part 2 was very educational!
Excellent, glad it was useful!
@@cgaviator Do you ever use VR? I ask because you have real-world experience in aircraft, so I wonder if that makes the experience even more realistic.
@@leecourington2536 further to my other reply, VR is more realistic/immersive
Great video. I can confirm that the 4 fundamentals work IRL on the Boeing 757 and 727 as well 🙂
Haha, absolutely!
Very useful stuff. Excellent video. ETPS next for you?
Too much paperwork! 😂
I always appreciate the aero braking style landings the USAF do with their Eagles as apposed to the slam it down NAVY approach (I totally get why)
Great video!
Thanks, and I agree... slamming it down seems alien but is much easier to hit the mark lol!
I always deploy the airbrake on short final on the DC Designs F15 as well 🙂
@@ColinDyckes various techniques for sure, I’ve seen the Airbrake method before
Very well explained for the novice ( me) ! struggled with glide slope but this video makes a lot of sense :-)
Excellent, glad it helped!
If I may, the most usefull approach training, in a sim, I got, was in DCS 2.5.X and 2.7.X with Mig21Bis module. In DCS, Fishbed is one of the more difficult fixed wings to land, not counting VTOL. So line up, as per instruction here, about 10km, but can be at 7km from threshold. Now be on speed at 400 kph (215 knots) 1/2 flaps, gear up, at 500 meters (1640 feet) AGL, but 1500 feet AGL works fine also. Aircraft can have a center tank (empty) and 2 X R-60, and 550 kg (1200 lbs of fuel) of fuel. Now adjust aircraft attitude so that top edge of nose intake, as seen from cockpit, is aligned with threshold. Now hold that attitude and descent rate until past inner marker. Full flaps, gear down and lock. Adjust attitude so that top of intake is at landing aim point, speed of 300 kph(160 knots), and hold that attitude. Over the threshhold at 50 meters, DO NOT fully retard, just back on throttle to slow down to 270kph (150 knots) and begin flare to 10 AOA, keep flying the aircraft. Let it settle with td speed of 250kph(130-135 knots) in ground effect, and hold nose up, letting it naturally settle. Pop drag chute. Gently let front gear to settle, don't release chute, apply gently wheel brakes. Old Soviet and even modern Russians prefer chute over brakes. DCS simulates brake heat fade.
Works for DCS: for F-16, Mirage (except Mirage2KC has 12-14 AOA on approach and TD), and F/A-18C Hornet. A-10C has approach speed of 130-120 knots, and td speed of 100-110. I can do all these recoveries without HUD path marker.
Thanks for the run down! Haven’t flown migs in a while
Hey Chris :) You and Tim are my go-to-fast-jet-guys. and I know lots of other DCS guys watch your videos as well, because this is gold :) Thank you!
So glad to hear! Comments like this make it all worth while, thanks
Yeah, we used to teach the studs all of these quick number wizardry as well. Good times....
Bleed that Speed!!!
Thanks so much for taking the time to make these videos! I am learning so much! What is your take on VR? Do you ever use it yourself?
I do occasionally, but it’s more hassle than it’s worth at the moment. I use a lot of info on my other monitors and the visual quality is worse especially on recordings.
Very informative vid as always Sir. Superb, thank you 👏 👍🏻
I think I've been doing all that automatically after flying sims for so long, especially on aircraft with a HUD. You just get used to the aircraft you're flying at that time, say F-16 or A10C. Add to that the fact I usually do a break for landing over the airfield and it's a totally different ball game than long final, ILS etc.
However I do like testing myself in a good 'pea soup' situation with the ILS approaches.
Main issue with most sims when it comes to approaches though is the Ai ATC! I personally think the best sim for approaches using ATC is BMS, and I just wish the other sims would follow suit. I believe that DCS are in the process of changing its ATC, however that's very old news and nothing seems to be on the horizon 😒
Once again though, an absolutely superb vid and very informative. Thanks for sharing 👌🙂
No worries, and thanks
Once again a really informative video very well presented. I can't wait to practice my Hawk landings in the morning. Todate they have been as predictable as playing the lottery - rarely a winner 😂
Let me know how it goes! 🙂
@@cgaviator spent 10 minutes practicing speed and power settings and a couple practice aim points on farm houses then off to Lossiemouth for a perfect, albeit left of centreline, landing. I couldn't believe how little runway was used to come to a stop. Thanks Chris!
@@lentunicliffe7824 top dollar, congrats!
Great video! I was taught: For 3 deg, simpler decent rate math is add a zero to your approach speed, and divide by half. For example, 120kts = 1200/2 = 600fpm. That will equal about a 3 deg descent rate. The add 50 is new to me. Prob more accurate, actually.
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Another cracking video, a channel so worthy of a subscription, I must say the money you pay for the Hawk is well worth the value, on how is it modeled to the real aircraft In terms of reality, feel & response?
Thank you, very kind words! The Hawk is pretty much spot on the numbers of the real aircraft. Sadly all jets in MSFS suffer from the way MSFS is coded. At the edge of the envelope they suffer, but for the most part, the Hawk is lovely!
I agree that the Hawk needs 90% RPM with full flaps, otherwise it sinks like an anvil... It really needs that much power to approach with full flaps: they are strong air brakes!
The F/A-18 is even easier, as the flaps are automatic regardless of up, mid or full. I managed 2,000,000 points at the carrier landing challenge. There are now moving carriers addons that make it fun to land on moving carriers on several great locations.
I’ll have to try the carrier, not yet done it! Used them in DCS of course.
Great video, what scenery are you using for Valley?
Flightsim.to EGOV 👍🏻
Loved this! Thank you for the easy maths for straight in approach glideslope! You say that it's easier in the F-18, but I find that getting the DCS F-18 on speed and configured in a downwind after a break is lots to do. One thing that I noticed in the F-18 HUD during your approach to Valley was that the indexer was showing on-AOA , but with the VV on 3deg nose down and the waterline at less than 2deg nose up (e.g. at 18:37). I thought that the F-18 AOA indexer shows on-AOA at 8.1deg alpha? In the DCS model, the waterline is normally at 5deg nose up pitch and the VV at 3 deg nose down for onspeed/on-AOA. Am I missing something here, or just over-thinking this?
No, you just have an eye for detail. The models aren’t perfect 👍🏻
nice
Thanks 🙏🏻
Could you do a break to land tutorial?
I'll see what I can do, that would tie things in nicely
You can make an instruction youtube series and sell it like the MSFS guys. Fast jet teachings for the sim pilot!
It’s on the todo list, I really should!
Can you make a video explain how to use TACAN in military jets thank you, appreciate your video 👍
Not sure I have time to dedicate for it. But perhaps. Tune it via comm panel of HUD buttons, select TCN on side display, select course. Though sometimes I struggle to get the displays setup correctly, ie no course bar. May be a bug
@@cgaviator thanks 👍🏼
Very useful as I have always eyeballed it till now (apart from the glide slope). What do you do to configure the F18 HUD for landing mode (you only seemed to select the TACAN - does that do it)?
HUD transfers to landing mode when the gear is lowered. 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Thanks. I usually fly the F15 or F14B and do a 'soft' landing. Must give the F18 another try as you can either flare for landing or 'fly it into the deck' 🙂 (Ditto for F14B possibly. Don't know if Dean modelled carrier style landings).
Absolutely obsessed with your content amazing channel
I use the HAWK alot , just wanted to know for the Rate of Decent for 3 degree formula do you use the +50 with that or just Speed÷3×10
Cheers Stewart
Yup, plus 50 works for me 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Amazing thank you for replying, Absolutely love your content best on YT.
@@CFWSILAT thanks, hopefully I’ll back to it soon 👍🏻
@@cgaviator Just reaching out
Would the same formula of Top Of Decent work for higher Alt ?
@@CFWSILAT technically yes, but easier to calc the range (twice your altitude in 1000s you need to lose) and selecting a 5° descent. Watch my F35 navigation video (Marham to Valley) as I cover this is more detail.
Reduce speed and try to stay in the air while timing the stall at the runway ....... job done !
A concise summary indeed! Lol
I just got this beauty and finding its quite sensitive on the rudders and in pitch and it bobbles around a fair bit, perhaps its my joystick i'm not sure. What sensitivity settings do you use?
The hawk needs an update. Multiple sim updates have meant it is wobbly. They are aware and hopefully can fix.
@@cgaviator Great Stuff! Your vids are very useful!
Hello, I'm pretty good on the F18 and I think to know all her features on Mfs, but where can I find the manual to read? Another question, I see you have Tacan on, did you use the CSR Knob as well to align on the heading of the runway? when i use it, whatever Im flying or have the AP engaged, after a while, the course on the HSI disapper and no chance to get it back at all.
Nevermind the first question, found the manual on your website!
Not sure about the second question. I didn't see the option of a CDI in TACAN mode but that may be because I'm quite the novice in the F18
@@FroggerQ101 thanks, appreciated 👍🏻
What airport is this?
RAF Valley (EGOV)
Hi, do you play DCS? The f18 feels so much better in terms of flight model and actual aircraft weight and the aircraft module is more or less fully operable. Do you still fly fast jets or not? Ps how did you get into flying fast jets were you in the air force/navy? Cheers
I do play DCS occasionally but I can’t resist the scenery of MSFS. But I absolutely agree, much better aircraft modelling and dynamics in DCS. I may still dabble and Air Force!
@@cgaviator yea I agree the scenery is so nice in MSFS it really is hard to resist. Awesome, what jets do you still dabble in? I'm too old to enter as a pilot now, 29. Always wanted to be a jet pilot but life got in the way and they have changed the age limit, the US pilot limit is 34 but 23 for our air force 😭
@@oli4330 I think you can still join as something else and cross over if you were willing to take the risk! I keep current activities away from social media but I certainly stay busy! 😅
@@cgaviator oh really!? I sent them an email asking if there's any other possible ways on becoming a pilot and they just replied saying the current age limit is 23 🙄. Ah ok that's understandable haha, you really have the best job in the world! What MSFS jet would you say is the most accurate in terms of flight model, is the Hawk quite good?
@@oli4330 recently the flight models are a bit naff. I think this is mostly down to MSFS core coding changes. I’m not experienced with the fly by wire handling so I can’t really comment on those. The hawk has most of the numbers spot on, but take any of the jets to the edge of the envelope and they’ll show there inaccuracy.
I've heard you and others mention 'alpha' but I'm not sure what that refers to.
Also, I'm following this in X Plane 11 with the JustFlight Hawk, and I can't get the deviation line to show up. The distance is reading correctly, but that it. Does anyone know what I'm missing? I can get it to show up if I follow the ILS ...
Alpha is a unit of measure giving an indication of the difference between angle of the aircraft against relative air flow. For example, If the aircraft is flying straight and level but the nose pitch is high (slow speed) then it’s high alpha.
@@cgaviator Got it, thanks. Apologies, I edited my comment before I noticed your reply..
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It's easy. Tell the stick monkey - land there!
Haha, that usually works also... followed by... what the hell was that!?! Lol
I'm going to post a link to this video on the DCS channels, where the top guys that fly post their content. So many of them find landing and take offs difficult because they are simply eyeballing their flying, not using and tables or formulas, let alone using radio navigation assistance. It will also hammer home to those aspiring to be real fast jet pilots, that mastering mathematics is incredibly important to fly in the manner in which these aircraft demand. Seat of your pants flying doesn't work at all, the airplane gets bent or broken. When I see them tossing fully laden fighters all over the sky, upside down and flopping around to notch or position themselves in a panic, it is pure cringe. "That's how you rip your wing off... not dumping tanks and a/g ordinance before engaging in edge of the envelope BFM in a merge." Them : "Nah it'd be modeled if it were the case!" Me : 🙄 Thinking of all the g limit and roll rate limits for different loadouts and various altitudes and power settings.
Thanks Debbie, feel free! I may do a few more videos on take off and landing gotchas as I've done most of them for real at some point! Lol.
@@cgaviator I post things like this on their Discord channels and get crickets, because it is kids that just want to be Maverick in his movie F-14, use their "natural instincts" too be a hot stick/king of the area of operation/server squad, where they really should be emulating Iceman, his character is how real fighter pilots behave and especially how they fly. Discord is like a call of duty lobby COD, after going there I feel like I need to bathe, the young men around the world today are ruthless online. 😅
Luckily the people that comment on RUclips are those that want to be real pilots and sim hobbyists that want to be as realistic as possible but may have never known about the immense use of mathematics in every part of aviation, especially military aviation, being in such close proximity to other aircraft like in aerial refueling and combat training sorties like Red Flag, etc.
Great chatting with you and thanks again for the permission to link your videos to those that might benefit from your content!
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@@debbiestimac5175 my pleasure, and thanks 👍🏻
Absolutely guilty of being terrible in DCS depending on how squirrely the plane I'm flying is. Hard to concentrate on fundamentals with so many weapons, systems, etc to juggle.
Haven't spent enough time to progress much, but the Kursant L-39 campaign actually made me fly within parameters, which makes it a rewarding experience.
@@josefwitt9772 It's exactly why a lot of sim pilots get frustrated. They are in information overload during combat missions and never even did a pre-flight briefing/battle plan for themselves, let alone are competent with the jet before they decided to enter into a hot area of operations in the sim. If you cannot hit all your numbers flying the pattern around your home air base, you should not be flying into combat! 😅 Have a great day and thanks for the chat!
Wo ‘ this is way cool 👈🏼👌🏼✌🏼
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Great video helps a lot!
Glad to hear it! 👍🏻👍🏻
@cgaviator I am a bit curious, do you fly the f14 ? If so In landing mode there is the E to the left of the hood and an angle line that moves up and down. I've tried to find info on it but no luck. If you fly the 14 I was wondering if you could give info on the landing mode on the HUD. thank you.
@@nightwing8755 I don’t, just the E bracket seen in the F18 HUD I’m afraid
@cgaviator thank you just curious. But your tips on here truly help.